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Title: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on December 30, 2019, 09:43:33 AM Updated: 16/09/23 https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/17/6vKzc.png https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/17/6v8d2.png Credit: LoyceV for http://loyce.club data, as well as Timelord2067's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.msg53490994#msg53490994) and Lauda's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.msg53554156#msg53554156) topic contributions. This community-orientated list is to help provide others with an overview and some context, with the intent to keep it updated. Note this is by no means a full list of all Lauda based threads (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095631.msg53501187#msg53501187), see list considerations and disclaimer below. Changelog and archives can be found here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.msg53477387#msg53477387). In order of most merited OP Updated: 04/07/20
*Not an OP, but included due to quantity of merit received. Chronological list of relevant topics 2015-2020 2020
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The following questions can now be asked:
Disclaimer: Referencing of threads herein should not be considered endorsement from the author, any authors of referenced topics, or list contributors. All references provided are intended for indexing and informational purposes only and are therefore not legally binding or considered accurate representations of any such statements documented within. Referencing of ~Lauda should not be considered endorsement of such an act. Any data and statistics, referenced and published herein should not be considered endorsement from the source or it's author, whether in numerical or graphical format,. The DT1 power, logarithmic and linear trend-lines used are not intended as a guarantee, nor should be considered an accurate forecast. DYOR. Unrelated statistical overviews: DT1 Positive & Negative Strength Statistics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256829.0), June 2020 OgNasty vs Vod: DT1 Strength Statistical Comparison (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254116.0). June 2020 ChipMixer Signature Participants Statistics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233664.0), March 2020 Title: Re: [overview] ~Lauda DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on December 30, 2019, 09:46:24 AM
Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics Post by: Last of the V8s on December 30, 2019, 10:42:11 AM What the fuck did you do? 'support the development of a shitcoin'
wtf does this mean? no one in their right mind touches shitcoins. ok so you were new? fucking idiot write a massive long explanation of what went on when also tell us why and when you stopped supporting the onion shit how many btc's did people lose in that scam and how did your 'support' grease those wheels? Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics Post by: dragonvslinux on December 30, 2019, 01:11:10 PM What the fuck did you do? 'support the development of a shitcoin' wtf does this mean? no one in their right mind touches shitcoins. ok so you were new? fucking idiot write a massive long explanation of what went on when also tell us why and when you stopped supporting the onion shit how many btc's did people lose in that scam and how did your 'support' grease those wheels? Wrong thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5161689.msg53733660#msg53733660). Suggested local rules:
Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics & trust statistics Post by: Last of the V8s on December 30, 2019, 01:49:29 PM Answer the questions. They're relevant to the thread. This is not a suggestion.
Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics & trust statistics Post by: teeGUMES on December 30, 2019, 02:28:38 PM Answer the questions. They're relevant to the thread. This is not a suggestion. Or what? Your posts in this thread reflect very poorly on you. OP is correct your questions are very off topic. As much as we don't need another Lauda thread at least their local rules don't exclude Lauda from posting here. (Even though bullshit local rules like that are not enforced)Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics & trust statistics Post by: Last of the V8s on December 30, 2019, 02:46:33 PM Or what? He ends up looking like yet another butthurt whiny scammer. Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics & trust statistics Post by: dragonvslinux on December 30, 2019, 03:10:10 PM Or what? He ends up looking like yet another butthurt whiny scammer. Appreciate the criticism, have included a disclaimer: Disclaimer: Referencing of threads herein should not be considered endorsement from the author or any associated authors of referenced topics. All references provided are intended for indexing and informational purposes only and are therefore not legally binding or considered accurate representations of any such statements documented within. Referencing of ~Lauda should not be considered endorsement of such an act. Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics & DT/trust statistics Post by: eddie13 on December 31, 2019, 10:40:11 PM Assuming your top 2 charts include all DT members, I think it could be useful if you included another statistic specifically for all users who are/were DT1 only..
Better yet for users who qualified for DT1 even if they didn't make the cut to 100, but that may be more difficult to get data for.. Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics & DT/trust statistics Post by: dragonvslinux on December 31, 2019, 10:46:03 PM Assuming your top 2 charts include all DT members, I think it could be useful if you included another statistic specifically for all users who are/were DT1 only.. Better yet for users who qualified for DT1 even if they didn't make the cut to 100, but that may be more difficult to get data for.. The first two charts are DT1, I have put a note at the top now as I realise it was unclear, thanks for bringing it up. And yes the latter is much more difficult to do, not something I have the time for either to be honest. Title: Re: [overview] List of relevant ~Lauda based topics & DT1/trust statistics Post by: Timelord2067 on January 01, 2020, 05:13:18 AM I've got a few to add to your list:
...and that's just the ones with his name in the title... ::) P.S. - Should have made the thread self moderated. ::) Archive [1 (https://archive.ph/ASMeg#selection-4457.0-4456.8)], [2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200101051551/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.0)] Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: Lauda on January 02, 2020, 12:09:40 PM There are even more threads about me. Are you selectively trying to cherry-pick those that suit the "gang's agenda"? Pull out the vilest of them all, like Timelord did. Make me even more famous, and you will be thanked for your contributions to the Lauda campaign. ;D
Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: LoyceV on January 02, 2020, 01:17:34 PM It's impossible to keep up with the number of topics No it's not (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095631.msg53501187#msg53501187) :PTitle: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on January 03, 2020, 08:45:40 AM I've got a few to add to your list:
List updated with suggestions, apart from P.S. - Should have made the thread self moderated. ::) Not interested in self-policing personally, plus I prefer to hand out spades to anyone wanting to dig their own holes ;) Pull out the vilest of them all, like Timelord did. Suggestion appreciated. Referenced, cheers! Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on January 04, 2020, 11:02:47 AM Updated.
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Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: Timelord2067 on January 08, 2020, 10:47:53 AM @dragonvslinux :
Glad you can use my contribution. There are even more threads about me. Are you selectively trying to cherry-pick those that suit the "gang's agenda"? Pull out the vilest of them all, like Timelord did. Make me even more famous, and you will be thanked for your contributions to the Lauda campaign. ;D I've only added the list of threads that I have posted in that contain the user name "Lauda". *edit* another one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3003189.0 Why does a purchased account farm all have Lauda on their trust list? lauda alts Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on January 08, 2020, 11:42:16 AM *edit* another one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3003189.0 Why does a purchased account farm all have Lauda on their trust list? lauda alts Added (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.msg53477387#msg53477387) + archived (https://web.archive.org/web/20200108112554/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.0). Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: Lauda on January 08, 2020, 04:34:04 PM Full List of Corrupted Capwearers & Lauda's Trolls (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215763.0). Please add. Seems that I'm very powerful and famous even OP is on my payroll according to this thread.
Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on January 08, 2020, 08:51:11 PM Full List of Corrupted Capwearers & Lauda's Trolls (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215763.0). Please add. Seems that I'm very powerful and famous even OP is on my payroll according to this thread. Done, without prejudice :) Archived (https://web.archive.org/web/20200108204741/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.0). Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on January 10, 2020, 01:08:38 PM It's impossible to keep up with the number of topics No it's not (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095631.msg53501187#msg53501187) :PMight be (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759607.msg17570742#msg17570742) :P Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: Timelord2067 on February 19, 2020, 07:31:21 AM Lauda's just changed both his email address and his PGP keys.
(and he also removed one of the two negative trust feedbacks he'd previously left for me the same day he's telling others to ~Timelord2067 - Lauda is becoming increasingly confused about what he's saying and doing) Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on February 19, 2020, 10:02:49 AM Since this topic was bumped, OP updated with latest most merited topic:
Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on February 29, 2020, 12:55:04 PM Statistics updated & new chart added.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m7iHC.png (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m7iHC.png) Title: Re: [overview] [overview] ~Lauda DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on March 07, 2020, 12:19:57 PM Updated:
Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: truth or dare on March 07, 2020, 01:19:14 PM where did this one go?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2582458.msg26299465#msg26299465 This threat is a very valuable source of information. Excellent work. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on March 14, 2020, 10:28:24 AM Statistics updated:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m5x4o.png (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m5x4o.png) Latest topic added:
Title: Re: [overview] ~Lauda DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on June 06, 2020, 09:10:55 AM OP updated.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m5sDW.png (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m5sDW.png)
Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: mindrust on June 06, 2020, 09:16:11 AM That's what I'd call "death spiral".
No chance to make a comeback from here probably. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: LoyceV on June 06, 2020, 09:19:13 AM No chance to make a comeback from here probably. When theymos changed DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0), Lauda went from being excluded on DT2 straight to being included on DT1. In the last month (http://islaudastillondt.tk/), Lauda went from 13 exclusions on DT2 to 4 exclusions. I expect Lauda to keep bouncing on and off DT2 for a while.Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on June 06, 2020, 09:32:21 AM No chance to make a comeback from here probably. Lauda went from 13 exclusions on DT2 to 4 exclusions. I expect Lauda to keep bouncing on and off DT2 for a while.Likewise. A re-test of the DT1 Inclusions "power trend-line" is pretty likely that sits around 4 at the moment, even if it takes until the end of the year. I expect it to act as strong resistance however, after failing to find support from it late last year with a classic "dead cat bounce" scenario. Then continue to follow the linear trend-line down hill would be my estimated outcome. If Lauda was a shitcoin, I woudn't be investing put it that way :P Updated: Suggested local rules:
Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: LoyceV on June 06, 2020, 09:54:09 AM Likewise. A re-test of the DT1 Inclusions "power trend-line" is pretty likely that sits around 4 at the moment Lauda being blacklisted from DT1 gives rediculous power to other individual DT1-members to influence Lauda's DT2-status. For example, I could single handedly drop Lauda to 7 DT2-exclusions, or raise Lauda to 2 DT2-exclusions.Bear with me: Quote Trust list for: Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872) +32 / =6 / -6) (1640 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/101872.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/101872.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Lauda)) (created 2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h) Adding this to my Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) would drop Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-7):~Lauda's judgement is Distrusted by: 9. OgNasty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=18321) +74 / =4 / -4) (DT1! (7) 878 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/18321.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/18321.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=OgNasty)) 12. A-Bolt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=33631) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=33631) neutral) ( 21. peloso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81995) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=81995) +2 / =3 / -3) ( 22. ibminer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84866) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=84866) +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 779 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/84866.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/84866.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ibminer)) 28. TookDk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=109430) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=109430) +28 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 41 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/109430.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/109430.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TookDk)) 34. Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361) +8 / =5 / -2) ( 35. figmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136484) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=136484) neutral) ( 39. by rallier (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=152486) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=152486) +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 315 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/152486.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/152486.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=by rallier)) 56. willi9974 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=216582) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=216582) +23 / =0 / -0) ( 58. suchmoon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771) +14 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (32) 4196 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/234771.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/234771.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=suchmoon)) 63. Rmcdermott927 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=289011) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=289011) +26 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 53 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/289011.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/289011.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Rmcdermott927)) 84. zazarb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369212) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=369212) +25 / =0 / -0) ( 95. WhiteManWhite (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=485285) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=485285) neutral) (DT1! (6) 105 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/485285.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/485285.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=WhiteManWhite)) 97. The Pharmacist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418) +27 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 2516 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/487418.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/487418.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=The Pharmacist)) 105. eddie13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=580327) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=580327) +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 971 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/580327.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/580327.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=eddie13)) 113. TheFuzzStone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=679341) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=679341) +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 908 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/679341.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/679341.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TheFuzzStone)) 134. bobita (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=963279) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=963279) +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 547 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/963279.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/963279.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bobita)) 137. Vispilio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=982288) +9 / =2 / -1) (DT1! (0) 954 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/982288.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/982288.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Vispilio)) 140. imhoneer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=986781) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=986781) +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 478 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/986781.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/986781.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=imhoneer)) 149. Blacknavy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1018510) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1018510) +6 / =0 / -2) (DT1! (1) 971 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1018510.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/1018510.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blacknavy)) 170. Steamtyme (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1112531) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1112531) +7 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1622 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1112531.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/1112531.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Steamtyme)) 184. Veleor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1177936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1177936) +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1426 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1177936.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/1177936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Veleor)) 190. 3meek (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1193837) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1193837) neutral) ( 213. DdmrDdmr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1582324) +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3818 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1582324.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/1582324.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DdmrDdmr)) 227. Bthd (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1836948) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1836948) +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 686 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1836948.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/1836948.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bthd)) 228. fillippone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1852120) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1852120) +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (12) 3317 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1852120.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/1852120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=fillippone)) 230. madnessteat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1894120) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1894120) +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1018 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1894120.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/1894120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=madnessteat)) Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (http://loyce.club/trust/). Code: figmentofmyass Adding this to my Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) would raise Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-2): Code: ~Vispilio If 2 DT1-members coordinate their Trust list changes, they can push Lauda anywhere between 9 exclusions and 1 inclusion on DT2. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: Timelord2067 on June 06, 2020, 10:16:43 AM Adding this to my Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) would drop Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-7): Code: figmentofmyass Adding this to my Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) would raise Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-2): Code: ~Vispilio If 2 DT1-members coordinate their Trust list changes, they can push Lauda anywhere between 9 exclusions and 1 inclusion on DT2. Is this before or after this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213618.msg54570193#msg54570193 Are you saying by trusting figmentofmyass and willi9974 their votes would push Lauda down? Are you able to show what the landscape would look like if all who are able to be on DT1 were instead of 100 being randomly selected? The knives are certainly out tonight: https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: LoyceV on June 06, 2020, 10:31:18 AM Is this before or after this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213618.msg54570193#msg54570193 That post is about BPIP and doesn't influence this.Quote Are you saying by trusting figmentofmyass and willi9974 their votes would push Lauda down? Yes. They need one more DT1-inclusion to be on DT1.Quote Are you able to show what the landscape would look like if all who are able to be on DT1 were instead of 100 being randomly selected? That would be a combination of this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5116287.0) and this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124527.0). Although interesting, it's not something I can quickly create.Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: Timelord2067 on June 06, 2020, 10:36:54 AM ... Figment's sunk to -2 so it would need to be a collaborative thing to manipulate DT more than it already is and given he distrusts me, I'll sit that one out. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on June 06, 2020, 11:06:37 AM Adding this to my Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) would raise Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-2): Code: ~Vispilio If 2 DT1-members coordinate their Trust list changes, they can push Lauda anywhere between 9 exclusions and 1 inclusion on DT2. That took just less than 10 minutes ::) https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m5E61.png The knives are certainly out tonight: https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m5Ijm.png What's odd is that gospodin doesn't even trust (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/1339358.html) Lauda, in fact the user is distrusted by Lauda ??? Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: Timelord2067 on June 06, 2020, 11:28:29 AM ... I doubt either one in your examples truly understands the ramifications of their constant manipulations within their own community, much-less the wider BitCoinTalk community. (it has nudged Lauda back to minus three however) Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: suchmoon on June 06, 2020, 12:43:29 PM Edit, then this happens: That didn't happen. When users drop out of DT1 sometimes the DT2 list is not updated in sync (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt;full), which causes problems on BPIP. This gets cleaned up eventually. I feel like I've spent so much time explaining this over the past few months that I should just fix it ;D Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DT1/trust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on June 07, 2020, 08:53:15 PM That didn't happen. When users drop out of DT1 sometimes the DT2 list is not updated in sync (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt;full), which causes problems on BPIP. This gets cleaned up eventually. I feel like I've spent so much time explaining this over the past few months that I should just fix it ;D Please do, saves me and others making the same mistake more than once ;) Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on July 04, 2020, 01:58:35 PM No chance to make a comeback from here probably. Lauda went from 13 exclusions on DT2 to 4 exclusions. I expect Lauda to keep bouncing on and off DT2 for a while.Statistics updated, two new graphs added (and one replaced (https://web.archive.org/web/20200606090103/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.0); total members distrust changed for all trust percentages). Titles & labels changed for clarity such as "DT1 Inclusions" changed to "DefaultTrust Strength" as well as "ex-DT" corrected to https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m4y0Z.png (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m4y0Z.png) Interestingly enough the cat is back with +7 DT2 strength, however remains -2 DT1 strength. Being blacklisted from DT1, means the cat is back on DefaultTrust. Notably there were 0 changes in inclusions & exclusions since going from -2 to +7 DT2 strength, this was merely caused by a DT update (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg54717395#msg54717395). https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m4VM8.png (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m4VM8.png) The following questions can now be asked:
I don't think Lauda is only the member here who benefits from not being selected into DT1, and therefore gaining DT2 inclusions. Other members also have higher DT2 strength than DT1 I've noticed. This merely serves as a good example. LoyceV also asked an interesting question along the lines of whether it's intended that DT1 excluded members can still make inclusions/exclusions to other DT1 members, if they are ultimately distrusted by "acting" DT1 members ( edit: Lauda had (2) net-inclusions on DT1. Lauda now has 6 net-inclusions on DT2. Lauda got blacklisted from DT1. I have 2 scenarios 1: suppose Lauda wasn't blacklisted, but got 3 more exclusions from other DT1 members. That would mean Lauda was removed from DefaultTrust entirely. 2: the current state (Lauda blacklisted from DT1). Now suppose Lauda gets the same 3 exclusions from DT1. That would mean Lauda still has 3 net-inclusions on DT2 and remains on DefaultTrust. This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. This is probably caused by the fact that excluded DT1-members can vote against other DT1-members, but they can't vote against DT2-members. Is that the intended behaviour of the DefaultTrust system? Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: suchmoon on July 04, 2020, 04:21:29 PM LoyceV also asked an interesting question along the lines of whether it's intended that DT1 excluded members can still make inclusions/exclusions to other DT1 members, if they are ultimately distrusted by "acting" DT1 members (cant' find quote though). I think this is becoming a joke. There's one shithead with -15 still wreaking havoc in DT1, extorting other members with exclusions/inclusions. I think the idea was that such a person would ultimately stop being eligible for DT1 due to not having 10+ inclusions from merit-earning users but that's clearly not happening and with more and more merit being spread around there will be more merited idiots including other idiots. Perhaps exclusions should count against DT1 eligibility (e.g. if you're excluded by 2 users with 250+ merit, then that negates 2 inclusions from users with 250+ merit) but that probably would open other avenues for abuse. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: LoyceV on July 04, 2020, 05:13:29 PM LoyceV also asked an interesting question along the lines of whether it's intended that DT1 excluded members can still make inclusions/exclusions to other DT1 members, if they are ultimately distrusted by "acting" DT1 members (cant' find quote though). Your graph nicely confirms what I expected to happen back then. And you probably couldn't find it because I posted it from Mobile:Lauda had (2) net-inclusions on DT1. Lauda now has 6 net-inclusions on DT2. Lauda got blacklisted from DT1. I have 2 scenarios 1: suppose Lauda wasn't blacklisted, but got 3 more exclusions from other DT1 members. That would mean Lauda was removed from DefaultTrust entirely. 2: the current state (Lauda blacklisted from DT1). Now suppose Lauda gets the same 3 exclusions from DT1. That would mean Lauda still has 3 net-inclusions on DT2 and remains on DefaultTrust. This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. This is probably caused by the fact that excluded DT1-members can vote against other DT1-members, but they can't vote against DT2-members. Is that the intended behaviour of the DefaultTrust system? I think this is becoming a joke. There's one shithead with -15 still wreaking havoc in DT1, extorting other members with exclusions/inclusions. I think the idea was that such a person would ultimately stop being eligible for DT1 due to not having 10+ inclusions from merit-earning users but that's clearly not happening and with more and more merit being spread around there will be more merited idiots including other idiots. Isn't his -15 DT1-strength evidence of the DT-system working as intended?Quote Perhaps exclusions should count against DT1 eligibility (e.g. if you're excluded by 2 users with 250+ merit, then that negates 2 inclusions from users with 250+ merit) but that probably would open other avenues for abuse. I'd like to see data on what would be changed, but unfortunately I don't have the time to make it.Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: suchmoon on July 04, 2020, 08:11:12 PM Isn't his -15 DT1-strength evidence of the DT-system working as intended? Maybe, if the intent was to allow such users to extort other DT1 users. They can't directly affect DT ratings but still can do so indirectly, for example by including someone who is at -1 or excluding someone who is at 0 in DT1. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: Timelord2067 on July 05, 2020, 02:04:29 AM LoyceV also asked an interesting question along the lines of whether it's intended that DT1 excluded members can still make inclusions/exclusions to other DT1 members, if they are ultimately distrusted by "acting" DT1 members (cant' find quote though). I think this is becoming a joke. There's one shithead with -15 still wreaking havoc in DT1, extorting other members with exclusions/inclusions. I think the idea was that such a person would ultimately stop being eligible for DT1 due to not having 10+ inclusions from merit-earning users but that's clearly not happening and with more and more merit being spread around there will be more merited idiots including other idiots. Perhaps exclusions should count against DT1 eligibility (e.g. if you're excluded by 2 users with 250+ merit, then that negates 2 inclusions from users with 250+ merit) but that probably would open other avenues for abuse. Good luck with that voting block idea. ::) Isn't his -15 DT1-strength evidence of the DT-system working as intended? Maybe, if the intent was to allow such users to extort other DT1 users. They can't directly affect DT ratings but still can do so indirectly, for example by including someone who is at -1 or excluding someone who is at 0 in DT1. I was DT1 (-16) just a few weeks ago (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-02_Sat_05.02h/131361.html) thanks in part to persons such as your good self who have peddled in accounts here in the BitCoinTalk Forum which causes instability in people's lives here and in real life. At the moment (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-07-04_Sat_05.03h/131361.html) I'm DT1 (-7) so yes, the current DT system works as it actually distils not strengthens the damage account traders have here in this forum. Most if not all of those who distrust me have at one point or another peddled BCT UID's, yourself included which is why I am not concerned. Sixteen is just a number, so is seven. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on July 06, 2020, 10:52:33 AM I think this is becoming a joke. There's one shithead with -15 still wreaking havoc in DT1, extorting other members with exclusions/inclusions. I think the idea was that such a person would ultimately stop being eligible for DT1 due to not having 10+ inclusions from merit-earning users but that's clearly not happening and with more and more merit being spread around there will be more merited idiots including other idiots. Isn't his -15 DT1-strength evidence of the DT-system working as intended? Maybe, if the intent was to allow such users to extort other DT1 users. They can't directly affect DT ratings but still can do so indirectly, for example by including someone who is at -1 or excluding someone who is at 0 in DT1.I agree with LoyceV on this one, surely the fact that this user is on -15 shows that what they are doing isn't working, and causing more members to distrust him? I could be wrong, but it seems like there are lots of eyes on this users dubious use of the trust system. Specifically, about 22 DT1 & Perhaps exclusions should count against DT1 eligibility (e.g. if you're excluded by 2 users with 250+ merit, then that negates 2 inclusions from users with 250+ merit) but that probably would open other avenues for abuse. Merit-based exclusions would clearly wreak havoc on the trust system as you considered, probably also dropping the number of eligible members in half I'd imagine. While I know many DT1 members feel that the number of members on DT1 should be reduced considerably, it would be much more prone to trust abuse from merited sock puppets, than the current conditions imo. It'd be easier to generate exclusions than the current conditions of generating inclusions, if merit took precedent over DT1 strength, which is what you're suggesting. Indeed, this was the quote I was looking for. Probably didn't find it as it's nearly a year old now :P Your graph nicely confirms what I expected to happen back then. And you probably couldn't find it because I posted it from Mobile: This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: LoyceV on July 06, 2020, 11:52:40 AM Isn't his -15 DT1-strength evidence of the DT-system working as intended? Maybe, if the intent was to allow such users to extort other DT1 users. They can't directly affect DT ratings but still can do so indirectly, for example by including someone who is at -1 or excluding someone who is at 0 in DT1.Aren't you tired of this order anymore? They'll all be back on DT1!Do you like someone to give you orders? So let's revolutionize together Add me to your trust list and I'll add you Give me feedback and I'll give you Retaliation is not a big problem if only a few users do it, but when it becomes a majority, the DT-system fails. Any chance you can make a graph on the number of DT1-members with negative strength (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254436.0) per week? My gut feeling tells me it's slowly increasing. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: dragonvslinux on July 06, 2020, 12:11:51 PM Isn't his -15 DT1-strength evidence of the DT-system working as intended? Maybe, if the intent was to allow such users to extort other DT1 users. They can't directly affect DT ratings but still can do so indirectly, for example by including someone who is at -1 or excluding someone who is at 0 in DT1.If that occurs, then I'd probably be providing the statistics and requesting a quote from you in a year from now :P Until then, this isn't the case and I don't think it will be. There are many theoretical "what if" scenarios, but personally I'm more interested in "what is" scenarios (the present), as there are enough of them already without needing to speculate on the potential future. If the present scenarios are dealt with then the future will likely follow suit. Speculating too much on the future means you're not focusing on the present imo. Not to say theoretical scenarios are irrelevant, but they might take some time to mature to becoming relevant. Any chance you can make a graph on the number of DT1-members with negative strength (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254436.0) per week? My gut feeling tells me it's slowly increasing. All negative strength users can be found within the "elected" and "un-elected" graphs: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256829.0 I wasn't intending to do this per week, as shifting users from sheet to sheet is a bit annoying, but intending to do so after each DT update when more changes occur. Title: Re: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list Post by: adultbit on July 06, 2020, 06:42:47 PM Fuck that LOL A lot will be kicked out of the campaigns!
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