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Title: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Hydrogen on January 02, 2020, 12:39:16 PM
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China is poised to launch the first national digital currency. There will be no counting the disruption.  

So is China readying its own Bitcoin? Banish the thought.

It’s far bigger than that. Yes, just like any other cryptocurrency — or for that matter, cigarettes in prisoners-of-war camps — the upcoming digital yuan will be “tokenized” money. But the similarity ends there. The crypto yuan, which may be on offer as soon as 2020, will be fully backed by the central bank of the world’s second-largest economy, drawing its value from the Chinese state’s ability to impose taxes in perpetuity. Other national authorities are bound to embrace this powerful idea.    

Little is known about the digital yuan except that it’s been in the works for five years and Beijing is nearly ready to roll. The consensus is that the token will be a private blockchain, a peer-to-peer network for sharing information and validating transactions, with the People’s Bank of China in control of who gets to participate. To begin with, the currency will be supplied via the banking system and replace some part of physical cash. That won’t be hard, given the ubiquitous presence of Chinese QR code-based digital wallets such as Alipay and WeChat Pay.

It may start small, but the digital yuan can disrupt both traditional banking and the post-Bretton Woods system of floating exchange rates that the world has lived with since 1973. No wonder that for China, “blockchain and the yuan digital currency are a national strategic priority — almost at the level of the internet,” says Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. fintech analyst Gautam Chhugani.  

Ever since the advent of the 17th-century goldsmith-banker in London, the most crucial thing in banking has been the ledger, a repository of irrefutable records to establish trust in situations where it doesn’t exist. When Peter in Vancouver agrees to send money to Paul in Singapore, they’re forced to use a chain of interlinked intermediaries because there’s no ledger in the world with both of them on it. Blockchain’s distributed ledgers make trust irrelevant. Paul devises a secret code, and shares its encrypted version with Peter, who uses it to create a digital contract to pay Paul. A cumbersome and expensive network of correspondent banks becomes redundant, especially when it comes to the $124 trillion businesses move across borders annually. Imagine the productivity boost; picture the threat to lenders.

China isn’t the only one experimenting. Fast, cheap cross-border payment settlement is one application of JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s Quorum, an Ethereum-based platform on which the Monetary Authority of Singapore is running Project Ubin, an exploration into central bank digital money. These are early days, but if blockchain technology shows promise in handling a large number of transactions simultaneously, then digital currencies could become substitutes not just for physical cash but also for bank reserves.

That’s when the game changes. Reserves at a central bank are maintained by deposit-taking lenders. A digital yuan — or Singapore dollar or Indian rupee — could bypass this system and allow any holder of the currency to have a deposit at the central bank, potentially making the state the monopoly supplier of money to retail customers. As Agustin Carstens, the general manager at the Bank for International Settlement, noted recently, “If the central bank becomes everybody’s deposit-taker, it may find itself becoming everybody’s lender too.”

But why would central banks want to demote their own banking systems? One answer, looking at Europe and Japan, is that negative interest rates are doing that anyway. Lenders are starved of profit because while the central bank charges them for keeping money on deposit, they can’t as easily pass on those negative interest rates to their own depositors. If the global economy gets mired in long-term stagnation, official digital currencies will at least be an efficient way of monetary easing without involving banks.

The other, more concrete, reason may be that technological progress is making the status quo untenable. It’s no coincidence that China hastened its national cryptocurrency after Facebook Inc. announced the Libra project, which was touted as an alternative dollar. Perhaps that was fanciful, and the Libra has hit a wall of regulatory concerns. But if they’re offered like Spotify gift cards at the local 7-Eleven, there will be demand for tokens that are acceptable across borders, stable in value against baskets of national currencies, and can be used in global trade and investing. Someone in Silicon Valley will eventually succeed, blowing away the fig leaf of monetary sovereignty in emerging markets in the process.

The changes won’t end with banking and monetary arrangements. Token transactions will be pseudonymous: If the central bank wants to see who’s spending where, it can. Anonymity disappears when cash does. While that will make life difficult for money launderers and terrorists, it could also become a tool to punish political activism. Meanwhile, currency as a foreign policy weapon loses some sting. Pariah states will covet a crypto they can access by circumventing banks that are terrified of flouting Western sanctions. As Harvard University economist Kenneth Rogoff notes, technology “is on the verge of disrupting America’s ability to leverage faith in its currency to pursue its broader national interests.”

A roller-coaster decade — not just for for banking and money but also for privacy and politics — may just be beginning.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-29/china-has-edge-over-silicon-valley-to-end-banking-as-we-know-it


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According to this, china sped up development of its national digital crypto currency after facebook announced its libra plans and could release it in 2020.

One of the things that made america great was it being a previous hotbed of innovations and futuristic progress.

Today lawmakers appear determined to ensure america does everything within its power to oppose and obstruct innovations like bitcoin/blockchain/crypto.

While china and europe does the opposite. And so perhaps this represents a small microcosm of the paradigm shift taking place.



Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: LeGaulois on January 02, 2020, 03:42:27 PM
I don't know exactly when Libra was announced to the public but the fact is a lot of central banks have been working on digital currencies with different variants (CBDC) well before, probably since 2017-2018 at least. (https://www.bis.org/publ/bppdf/bispap101.pdf)

And contrary to popular belief, it's not necessary to go against Libra or Bitcoin or whatever. The buzz around Libra and cryptocurrencies may have sped things up, but the primary motivations are payment safety and domestic efficiency in the majority.

https://i.imgur.com/A9bwCnS.png

The American dream is gone for a decade or more. In the '90s yes but in 2020 nope. The dollar supremacy won't last for long
The banking system is really changing step by step, a radical change that has never been seen before. There will be those who will adapt to a new economic mentality and those who will become dinosaurs...
If Americans don't follow the trend they will belong to the dinosaurs, up to get excluded from other countries. This is the new face of the money
https://i.imgur.com/gXllHHC.png


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Lucius on January 02, 2020, 04:05:15 PM
I find this just another in a series of announcements about some new currency from China, and I think everything else is just speculation until it becomes reality. China will launch digital yuan, it will be on a private blockchain and it will be under full control of People’s Bank of China. At the moment, I believe that this is an internal matter of China and that it cannot affect the global financial system. It is very likely that all economic forces will launch their digital currencies at some point, this is inevitably the direction the world is moving, a complete transition to the digital age.

As for Libra, haven't the US and EU strongly opposed the project? I am not sure if anything has changed in the US, but the EU still firmly stands by its position that it will not allow Libra in this form as presented.



Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: squatz1 on January 02, 2020, 04:11:01 PM
So we think that China, the government with the most oppression in the world which spys on its Citizens through the usage of a points system and biometrics on a daily basis, is going to lead the way on digital currency adoption? Hell no, that's bullshit.

China wants to use this to spy on their people even further. The ONLY current way that people are able to skirt the governments eye is by using cash, but you can't do that if the country forces you to use, then they're going to continue to spy on the people. They're going to push cash out of the economy because you can't spy on cash but you can SPY on digital cash.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: moviebuff777 on January 02, 2020, 04:48:38 PM
This will most likely be the trend for most countries as they transition to the digital economy. But these government cryptocurrencies or digital currencies will still be centralized so they will not take the place of decentralized currency.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: ChrisPop on January 02, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Adopting innovations too fast and spending a lot of money into researching can result in a drawdown on the short term especially when if you live in a democracy. For example I'm sure that not everybody will be happy with the implementation of cryptocurrencies in all stores and encouraging people with making payments through it. Also businesses might be threatened by the demand of taking the learning curve to use blockchain & cryptocurrencies efficiently. That would mean serious changes in the way the company operates, accounting, relationship with customers and vendors, etc.

BUT in the long term they will open themselves to a whole new world of opportunities, cost-efficiency and transparency.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Ozero on January 02, 2020, 05:04:35 PM
Now many states plan to issue their national stable coin, even the figure is called that there are already about 70 percent of such states and this, of course, will change the world banking system. Stable coins of the states, which are their digitized national currency, combine the capabilities of cryptocurrency and ordinary currency. From this, the banking system will only get stronger.
Stable coins of the states, and first of all, a stable coin of the Chinese government, can become a serious competitor to a decentralized cryptocurrency as a means of payment. The Chinese government does not seek to create a second bitcoin. They create a fully controlled blockchain-based currency. Therefore, the global financial system will definitely change.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: boris singer on January 02, 2020, 05:30:00 PM
there will be many changes from the global banking system if PBoC succeeds with CBDC and DCEP. In general this will change the direction of using e-money technically even though it is in a centralized system. If in the end this type of currency is more advanced and transparent, and on the other hand there are no technical things done by the US and EU at the same level, then the world economic system is possible to change direction, and Asia will begin to unite its vision in one economic zone.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Harlot on January 02, 2020, 06:15:25 PM
There banks will simply be more digitalized if this happens. I know that this will be a big leap but banks right now are technically on a semi-digitalized stage where we hace atm card and debit cards acting out as cash even without withdrawing fiat so I wouldn't see any big changes at here at all. The major change I see is in fact about the transparency and security it will bring since now the Chinese people will be transacting with their phones and not their wallet.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: avikz on January 02, 2020, 06:18:25 PM
I don't know why many people are comparing the bank issued cryptos with a pure blood crypto like Bitcoin! China is planning for a Bank issued crypto which will be centralized in nature. The user experience will be very similar to the net banking/UPI transactions that we use very frequently today! Just the need of physical money will be reduced which will in turn help government to reduce a huge amount of expenses! Banking system will chage to accommodate this transition but the motive of banking will never change!

There's nothing to cheer about because China is not a traditional crypto friendly country.  Don't take them as an example! Rather US is more friendly to cryptos than China!


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Upgrade00 on January 02, 2020, 06:49:54 PM
In my opinion Bitcoin would always have an edge over this Chinese digital currency, and any other currency which is going to be launched. Apart from it's decentralization, Bitcoin is also borderless, hence, I can transfer money from anywhere in my country to anyone in the world and at anytime. If different countries create their own blockchain, which would take a while, it would take a longer while to connect the entire nations through a general (centralized) currency,
Also, fiat currencies can be digitalized, but that doesn't make it a 'crypto' currency, it doesn't offer anonymity and would just be another form of mobile banking.

On this news: It would not have much effect on the global cryptocurrency economy, as it's merely speculation at this point.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: target on January 02, 2020, 07:09:50 PM
Its convenient for China to shift to blockchain and lead to set a new ground because they are rising up and the world now seem to be relying on them due to the money they have. And I guess the east will now have a big brother.

In my opinion Bitcoin would always have an edge over this Chinese digital currency, and any other currency which is going to be launched. Apart from it's decentralization, Bitcoin is also borderless, hence, I can transfer money from anywhere in my country to anyone in the world and at anytime. If different countries create their own blockchain, which would take a while, it would take a longer while to connect the entire nations through a general (centralized) currency,
Also, fiat currencies can be digitalized, but that doesn't make it a 'crypto' currency, it doesn't offer anonymity and would just be another form of mobile banking.

On this news: It would not have much effect on the global cryptocurrency economy, as it's merely speculation at this point.

They are not interested to cryptocurency economy, its about their national economy. Countries will have to acquire digital yuan in order to make transactions to China's economy.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on January 02, 2020, 07:22:54 PM
China seeks prominence, they want to have the maximum, because their direct competition will be Libra, and it is clear that people around the world prefer and have more acceptance to the cryptocurrency of a social network than that of any country controlled by any government or bank.

Since the Chinese cryptocurrency will not have any fluctuation of market speculation like Bitcoin, it will remain at a stable controlled value, it is like having fiat money digitally used, total control and absolute centralization.

The United States postponed its launch of the digital dollar in approximately 5 years and approved Libra when they said that, provided they comply with financial laws, the Libra project can be implemented, everything will be fine, this after Mark said that Libra will help increase the economy American, remembering that the US dollar is one of the backs of the stable currency, the euro and NOT the Chinese Yuan.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: poptok1 on January 02, 2020, 07:35:20 PM
but the primary motivations are payment safety and domestic efficiency in the majority.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty (anonymity), to purchase a little temporary Safety (efficiency) , deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Basically your entire post is central and private Zio-banks propaganda, and if I could I would demerit you out of existence for propagating such utter nonsense that is in fact quite dangerous, with all those fancy graphs and charts some poor sobs have a chance to fall for it. That's extremely disappointing to see a legendary member displaying such careless set of sentences. For me it's a dis-qualifier, sort of like treason, a stab in to satoshis back and so on.
So, so many things have to change for things to stay exactly the same...
New face my ass! Looks like a pentagram-ish mark of the beast.
 


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: adzino on January 02, 2020, 07:41:49 PM
So we think that China, the government with the most oppression in the world which spys on its Citizens through the usage of a points system and biometrics on a daily basis, is going to lead the way on digital currency adoption? Hell no, that's bullshit.

China wants to use this to spy on their people even further. The ONLY current way that people are able to skirt the governments eye is by using cash, but you can't do that if the country forces you to use, then they're going to continue to spy on the people. They're going to push cash out of the economy because you can't spy on cash but you can SPY on digital cash.
This is exactly what I was about to say. The Chinese government are going to love crypto currencies because this is the only way they can spy and keep track of all  its citizen. They can easily control the financial aspects of their citizens. Digital currency is going to be heaven for the Chinese government. Sadly, people will lose all their financial freedom if the Chinese government completely replaces fiat currency with digital currencies.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: CryptoBry on January 03, 2020, 02:28:35 AM

Today lawmakers appear determined to ensure america does everything within its power to oppose and obstruct innovations like bitcoin/blockchain/crypto. While china and europe does the opposite. And so perhaps this represents a small microcosm of the paradigm shift taking place.


In my view, America has already lost that capacity to be the leader for innovations and so right now instead of embracing new and better things many politicians are using their vested power to counteract them. In other words, Americans are failing to see the future and are now self=absorbed people. The same is not true with China, the country aiming for global domination in as many fronts as possible. And certainly, it wants to win the economic war eclipsing the power and influence of USA as soon as it is possible.

I am seeing a big potential in the digital yuan not really as the competitor of Bitcoin but as means for China to further its overarching vision and goals. Soon we are waking with the China dominance all over our face. With the kind of professionalism in planning and execution plus with the backing of enough resources, I am sure that this China project is coming our way.

This is not promoting China and its myriad of interests but a wake up call to the people of USA and other big countries.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: hatshepsut93 on January 03, 2020, 03:47:01 AM
As for Libra, haven't the US and EU strongly opposed the project? I am not sure if anything has changed in the US, but the EU still firmly stands by its position that it will not allow Libra in this form as presented.


If westerm governments are so opposed to a coin managed by private company, imagine how would they react to digital yuan coin - I'm 100% sure it would be banned there, exchanges wouldn't be allowed to list it, businesses won't be allowed to use it, funds won't be allowed to invest in it (or it will be very limited).


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: panganib999 on January 03, 2020, 04:08:37 AM
I guess its time for China to be like:
Digital currency is legit money while Fiat money is Blackmarket money kinda thing? I mean, its plausible with them being the only one having digital currency at the moment. Plus, with them being alone on the scene, I doubt conversion of digital yuan to other currencies would be a hassle towards people who REALLY like taking advantage of things. Idk, was just an idea, might actually contain a lot of holes in it since I don't understand much regarding how they'd actually implement the system of Fiat >> Digital currency.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: sunsilk on January 03, 2020, 04:36:04 AM
While I've been reading posts that China is only interested with blockchain and not with crypto but here they go launching their own crypto backed by the government. This should be the position of US before but seem they are ignoring the power and potential of blockchain and crypto.

Now, China is taking over the spot while they can before US takes place and gets first. They've been always in the economic competition like this and I guess this time China is ahead of time.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Duzter on January 03, 2020, 05:00:59 AM
More countries are into blockchain adoption. This is a forward move, but countries are specific in their stand of supporting blockchain technology and standing against cryptocurrency usage particularly bitcoin. China once a big supporter of Bitcoin is now supporting blockchain and in the plan of having their own cryptocurrency. Maybe this can take place with more countries, but there needs to be some common asset that unifies everything. This role probably taken by bitcoin.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: gweedo on January 03, 2020, 05:23:28 AM
More countries are into blockchain adoption. This is a forward move, but countries are specific in their stand of supporting blockchain technology and standing against cryptocurrency usage particularly bitcoin. China once a big supporter of Bitcoin is now supporting blockchain and in the plan of having their own cryptocurrency. Maybe this can take place with more countries, but there needs to be some common asset that unifies everything. This role probably taken by bitcoin.
In fact, no country really supports bitcoin and the current cryptocurrency, because they can't control it. China has never supported Bitcoin, it has implemented many plans to stop bitcoin since 2017 and it continues at the present time. China only accepts blockchain and is researching and developing to create a cryptocurrency for their own country, a cryptocurrency they can control it


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: iram3130 on January 03, 2020, 06:32:03 AM
Just saw a video on this and it looks like Chinese finding a better way to track their currency. I will not find it amusing if they assign wallets to the common people.  ;D ;D

They will track the flow of money and it will be oppressive than ever to use yuan.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Shasha80 on January 03, 2020, 07:08:41 AM
Most likely the old banking system will be abandoned, now many banks in the world have made their banking system become digital.
And this is a sign that each bank will create their own cryptocurrency that is centralized so that it can be controlled. Like China which
supports blockchain technology to make their own cryptocurrency. So it's no wonder now it was not only the country that started adopting
cryptocurrency, but several companies including several banks began to intend to adopt cryptocurrency. So it can be said to say goodbye to
banking as we know it. Because if the bank doesn't want to die, inevitably it has to follow technological developments. Blockchain technology
is now the best technology for the financial sector.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: exstasie on January 03, 2020, 07:49:24 AM
Today lawmakers appear determined to ensure america does everything within its power to oppose and obstruct innovations like bitcoin/blockchain/crypto.

While china and europe does the opposite.

China is cracking down on crypto businesses left and right. They literally just shut down hundreds of exchanges (https://beincrypto.com/china-shuts-down-173-cryptocurrency-exchanges-and-token-issuing-platforms/) and apparently miners are now being pressured by local governments (https://cointelegraph.com/news/chinese-bitcoin-miners-pressured-to-scale-down-due-to-electricity-shortages) to scale down their operations. China doesn't look very crypto-friendly to me at all.

I don't see their central bank digital currency as a pro-crypto thing either. More like a weapon in future currency wars, and a tool for them to spy on their citizens.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: AniviaBtc on January 03, 2020, 08:32:38 AM
More countries are into blockchain adoption. This is a forward move, but countries are specific in their stand of supporting blockchain technology and standing against cryptocurrency usage particularly bitcoin. China once a big supporter of Bitcoin is now supporting blockchain and in the plan of having their own cryptocurrency. Maybe this can take place with more countries, but there needs to be some common asset that unifies everything. This role probably taken by bitcoin.
In fact, no country really supports bitcoin and the current cryptocurrency, because they can't control it. China has never supported Bitcoin, it has implemented many plans to stop bitcoin since 2017 and it continues at the present time. China only accepts blockchain and is researching and developing to create a cryptocurrency for their own country, a cryptocurrency they can control it

Either they don't support or they don't care, it's either between the two. They don't know the advantages of having a cryptocurrency in a certain country because they didn't see that some countries allow it. China is a large country and their economic state is over growth, the same in their population. The digital currency they made is easy to handle since their mindset is about how money regulates in their country. By that, they know that more money can control people.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: merchantofzeny on January 03, 2020, 09:02:43 AM
I see China's push for a national cryptocurrency more as a need to fully control its people's finances and to have tighter hold on its own economy. It might change banking there but I don't see it going farther than its shores.

What it can trigger though are other countries coming up with their own crypto to try to bypass the need for dollars, etc. Though I don't see bank disappearing soon, it will be possible for the government to directly loan to people, for good or for worse.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: bitbunnny on January 03, 2020, 09:06:10 AM
Banking system is changing quite a long time. It's becoming more digitized and online based, with more and more new financial products and services for clients each day.
Also, many banks are already testing blockchain technology and that will change banking even more because it will be implemented soon.
I don't think that banks are not interested in cryptocurrencies, they are just trying to find the way how to implement them and wait for them to be regulated. But don't be surprised if banks offer to their clients crypto related services.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Wexnident on January 03, 2020, 09:29:26 AM
Is there really anything that changed? I mean, the banks are still controlled by the government, coins are released by they themselves, and heck, its actually much advanced now with them knowing every single possible movement of the coins in each and every household there is. It'd be much more easy now for them to track any illegal movement of cash/coins in their country, and anything not from them would literally become "unregistered" or "unauthorized" coins. Fraud money would be much harder to produce (or maybe even impossible to) and well, Banks literally just became more advanced with that kind of system.

Might just be me running my mouth though since a lot of information is still unknown with regards to the Digital currency of China.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: BChydro on January 03, 2020, 09:53:56 AM
They will track the flow of money and it will be oppressive than ever to use yuan.
All the government around the globe wants to have a track of everything and so is the reason they are collecting all the information they can get and finance is a sector that can have more control over everyone because if they identify individuals according to where they use they will have more power over them and that is what they are looking for and if it from a dictatorship rule then you are doomed.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: pushups44 on January 03, 2020, 10:31:15 AM
Well, if China issues a digital currency soon, it validates that the 2020s will be the decade of blockchain. Bitcoin may be a beneficiary of the growth of interest in blockchain, as people will recognize the benefits of decentralization.

However, a lot of this is speculation. The governments may push back hard against decentralized networks to maintain their power.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Lucius on January 03, 2020, 11:03:18 AM
If westerm governments are so opposed to a coin managed by private company, imagine how would they react to digital yuan coin - I'm 100% sure it would be banned there, exchanges wouldn't be allowed to list it, businesses won't be allowed to use it, funds won't be allowed to invest in it (or it will be very limited).

I think there is a difference though, China is a country that is becoming the world's leading economic power, while Facebook is still just one private company with an idea it wants to monetize. I'm pretty sure China could convince some other countries, first of all, I think of Russia and some other traditional allies to accept their digital currency.

It should be remembered that China is a market of 1.4 billion people and that the influence of the USA is increasingly weakened by a very aggressive free trade policy between countries. If the US dollar loses its world domination, things are likely to turn around in favor of China, and I believe that most Asian countries and Europe will still choose prosperity and free trade rather than weakening their economies by participating in trade wars.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Karmakid on January 03, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
We are slowly going into the cashless society. Some of the big countries like China is now doing their best to make their own cryptocurrency or a digital currency. This type of movement is the proof that there is something with cryptocurrencies and to those people who are skeptical and continuously denying will jump into the bandwagon train anytime soon.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Wintersoldier on January 03, 2020, 12:20:14 PM
This will most likely be the trend for most countries as they transition to the digital economy. But these government cryptocurrencies or digital currencies will still be centralized so they will not take the place of decentralized currency.

This does mean that the main currency that could possibly embraced by the government and the entire country will not be bitcoin or Ethereum and basically most of the decentralized cryptocurrency as their purpose for accepting this new technology will not be effective. For them to solve this problem, they might hire people to learn how to develop a new cryptocurrency mainly created to transition each respective fiats to their own cryptocurrency that they want.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: dimonstration on January 03, 2020, 12:45:44 PM
We are slowly going into the cashless society. Some of the big countries like China is now doing their best to make their own cryptocurrency or a digital currency. This type of movement is the proof that there is something with cryptocurrencies and to those people who are skeptical and continuously denying will jump into the bandwagon train anytime soon.
I'm trying not to use bank in transactions as much as possible but when in terms of cashing out into fiat, there is only few option and cashing out in banks is what I do. If only all my payment bills and stores that I'm buying accepts crypto there will be no problem. If China do it and shows successful rate many will sure to follow them in time.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Soots on January 03, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
We are slowly going into the cashless society. Some of the big countries like China is now doing their best to make their own cryptocurrency or a digital currency. This type of movement is the proof that there is something with cryptocurrencies and to those people who are skeptical and continuously denying will jump into the bandwagon train anytime soon.

It made me think worthwhile about the recent developments of online platforms, which usually using digital cashless form of transactions. One particular example was the online loan application, and requires digital wallet that can be withdrawn though different money transfer services.
On this process, the technology has started to evolve at advanced level nowadays and cashless will soon dominates the adoption numbers.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: breathlessz on January 03, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
We are slowly going into the cashless society. Some of the big countries like China is now doing their best to make their own cryptocurrency or a digital currency. This type of movement is the proof that there is something with cryptocurrencies and to those people who are skeptical and continuously denying will jump into the bandwagon train anytime soon.

It made me think worthwhile about the recent developments of online platforms, which usually using digital cashless form of transactions. One particular example was the online loan application, and requires digital wallet that can be withdrawn though different money transfer services.
On this process, the technology has started to evolve at advanced level nowadays and cashless will soon dominates the adoption numbers.
indeed cashless has already begun, many applications use it this digital development. but I see crypto not many people understand and follow its development. those who use cashless usually want to get a real product convenience



Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: muratsink on January 03, 2020, 01:11:04 PM
We are slowly going into the cashless society. Some of the big countries like China is now doing their best to make their own cryptocurrency or a digital currency. This type of movement is the proof that there is something with cryptocurrencies and to those people who are skeptical and continuously denying will jump into the bandwagon train anytime soon.

It made me think worthwhile about the recent developments of online platforms, which usually using digital cashless form of transactions. One particular example was the online loan application, and requires digital wallet that can be withdrawn though different money transfer services.
On this process, the technology has started to evolve at advanced level nowadays and cashless will soon dominates the adoption numbers.
This will depend on the country, some countries still have low Internet coverage and others are not able to do it maybe only applicable in some cities but not in total area. There will be need for a improvement first of the countries technology before we totally say goodbye to banking traditional ways.
Many countries still not get higher speed internet access and adopted blockchain without use bank is ad effect, how come many people will make transaction without use internet, bitcoin always need internet for log in and we need good speed internet when selling or buying bitcoin and altcoin.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: audaciousbeing on January 03, 2020, 02:25:17 PM
If there is any country that caught one by surprise its China and I think all over the years when they were out against crypto, it was a strategy to discourage other countries from developing because of the significance they occupy in world market. The moment they were able to send the message out that they are against digitalization, it gave them the opportunity to further research and then develop. While US is going against Facebook's Libra, I am sure they would be happy. Now they are fairly on top and others would start rushing,


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Google+ on January 03, 2020, 02:45:13 PM
I don't think that will happen because banks are still widely used by many people so it's hard if the bank disappears, the bank will adopt blockchain technology so that the bank will use its technology while it make bitcoin is not used.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: redsun114 on January 03, 2020, 03:34:21 PM
;D How exactly? I don’t think banks are ever going to end. Even if we all switch to cryptocurrency there is still going to be banks and they will be offering some other services like loans. And when I said banks are never going to end, I’m referring to fiat as well. You’ve heard that China is creating their own cryptocurrency but you didn’t ask how it is going to function.

After creating cryptocurrency they are not going destroy fiat, cryptocurrency will serve as another means of payment different from their fiat, and citizens will be able to convert their fiat to cryptocurrency and also be able to sell it for fiat if they want. That’s how I see it.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: airdnasxela on January 03, 2020, 03:58:22 PM
;D How exactly? I don’t think banks are ever going to end. Even if we all switch to cryptocurrency there is still going to be banks and they will be offering some other services like loans. And when I said banks are never going to end, I’m referring to fiat as well. You’ve heard that China is creating their own cryptocurrency but you didn’t ask how it is going to function.

After creating cryptocurrency they are not going destroy fiat, cryptocurrency will serve as another means of payment different from their fiat, and citizens will be able to convert their fiat to cryptocurrency and also be able to sell it for fiat if they want. That’s how I see it.
That's why it's too early to say goodbye to banks. It's not like they're going to end just because China is planning to launch their own cryptocurrency. Crypto will just be included in the circulation but fiat would still remain. China never said they will replace their fiat will crypto and that banks will be gone. People would still prefer banks. Why overhyping much China's digital currency?


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: vintages on January 03, 2020, 04:21:32 PM
Just saw a video on this and it looks like Chinese finding a better way to track their currency. I will not find it amusing if they assign wallets to the common people.  ;D ;D

They will track the flow of money and it will be oppressive than ever to use yuan.

More reason I find it less enthusiast. China control a lot of their citizens welfare which is why they dislike Bitcoin.
Whatever digital coin they are creating will be 'overly' centralised. What's the fun of having a digital currency when it is been control. I guess the only gain will be a cashless society.
Moreover, I am still looking at the possibility of them saying a complete goodbye to the bank.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: beerlover on January 03, 2020, 04:42:45 PM
Blockchain will not change banking industry as much as we guys assume it would, I personally think they will only use it to make the data more transparent and easily transferable with less cost and higher speed but that won't come down to user and won't affect them at all.

Even if they somehow manage to make it faster which could help the customer the banking moves are quite fast already and if they find a way to make it cheaper it would just be less cost for them but same price for us, maybe whales would be able to transfer millions of dollars for cheap and that would help banks get whales but for the regular people it wouldn't change much at all. Banks don't care about the customer, they care about how much they make and blockchain won't change that too much for us.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: desticy on January 03, 2020, 06:57:48 PM
Banking systems will change anyway. It doesn’t matter if this is due to cryptocurrencies coming to power, or to some technological breakthroughs or disasters, but this will happen one way or another.
Banking systems are too unstable, these are financial bubbles, time bombs. People need more reliable systems or even abandon them.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: meliodas on January 04, 2020, 03:07:20 AM
I don't think that we are going to witness the banking industries to disappear because they are now moving and taking action to not get left behind from this cryptocurrency revolution. They are slowly creating their own blockchain and digital currencies to supply the demand of the people from the internet. Even though they are not going to say goodbye, it is still a good news for the cryptocurrency because if they launch their own blockchain and cryptocurrency then it will provide a positive impact to overall market.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: awik p on January 04, 2020, 04:58:44 AM
I think indeed the bank will be retained by the government, considering that the bank is currently a buffer for a country's economy. therefore even if the system used is no longer relevant, of course the government will still look for ways to maintain it, and maybe only the blockchain will be used



Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: BitDane on January 04, 2020, 05:28:40 AM
Banking systems will change anyway. It doesn’t matter if this is due to cryptocurrencies coming to power, or to some technological breakthroughs or disasters, but this will happen one way or another.
Banking systems are too unstable, these are financial bubbles, time bombs. People need more reliable systems or even abandon them.

Banking system will evolve but will never go away.  Institution will take advantage of these innovation to have control over their citizen especially in finance sector.  Imagine a government issuing a digital currency and implementing it to be the sole currency of the nation with its blockchain being private?  They will track all the currency movement down to a single cent.

Blockchain will not change banking industry as much as we guys assume it would, I personally think they will only use it to make the data more transparent and easily transferable with less cost and higher speed but that won't come down to user and won't affect them at all.

Even if they somehow manage to make it faster which could help the customer the banking moves are quite fast already and if they find a way to make it cheaper it would just be less cost for them but same price for us, maybe whales would be able to transfer millions of dollars for cheap and that would help banks get whales but for the regular people it wouldn't change much at all. Banks don't care about the customer, they care about how much they make and blockchain won't change that too much for us.

Aside from that, I would say they will use it to spy on the people. Imagine a ledger where all the transaction is recorded and they have full control of it and each address/account have the people's real identity.  That is kinda scary.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: nasipadang on January 04, 2020, 05:45:56 AM
I find this just another in a series of announcements about some new currency from China, and I think everything else is just speculation until it becomes reality. China will launch digital yuan, it will be on a private blockchain and it will be under full control of People’s Bank of China. At the moment, I believe that this is an internal matter of China and that it cannot affect the global financial system. It is very likely that all economic forces will launch their digital currencies at some point, this is inevitably the direction the world is moving, a complete transition to the digital age.

As for Libra, haven't the US and EU strongly opposed the project? I am not sure if anything has changed in the US, but the EU still firmly stands by its position that it will not allow Libra in this form as presented.


There is a paradigm in the news. I prefer this news, China is a country that bans the exchange of bitcoin, I'm sure this country makes digital yuan for their own control, the bank still remains in power because there is support from the government itself. and the banking system will continue to run with little system development.

I once helped create a bank system and I think why the bank system is more offered to the community because there is a any profits side to the government.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: TEX-LXRY on January 04, 2020, 05:52:43 AM
Big kudos to China and Europe for further innovating in their respective ways in the evolution of money with digital currencies. The paradigm shift is already here and those that embrace and enhance will reap rewards in the future.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Ozero on January 04, 2020, 07:38:08 AM
I find this just another in a series of announcements about some new currency from China, and I think everything else is just speculation until it becomes reality. China will launch digital yuan, it will be on a private blockchain and it will be under full control of People’s Bank of China. At the moment, I believe that this is an internal matter of China and that it cannot affect the global financial system. It is very likely that all economic forces will launch their digital currencies at some point, this is inevitably the direction the world is moving, a complete transition to the digital age.

As for Libra, haven't the US and EU strongly opposed the project? I am not sure if anything has changed in the US, but the EU still firmly stands by its position that it will not allow Libra in this form as presented.


There is a paradigm in the news. I prefer this news, China is a country that bans the exchange of bitcoin, I'm sure this country makes digital yuan for their own control, the bank still remains in power because there is support from the government itself. and the banking system will continue to run with little system development.

I once helped create a bank system and I think why the bank system is more offered to the community because there is a any profits side to the government.
Yes, banks are now moving from using the outdated SWIFT method when making non-cash transactions to blockchain technology. Therefore, we will not see the previous slow banks. With blockchain technology, they will get even stronger. In addition, the states, and therefore the banks, will soon have national stable coins, that is, their regular money digitized, which will also increase the influence of banks in society. A decentralized cryptocurrency will be an alternative means of payment and will occupy some niche in the financial sector.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Janation on January 04, 2020, 07:50:47 AM
I think indeed the bank will be retained by the government, considering that the bank is currently a buffer for a country's economy. therefore even if the system used is no longer relevant, of course the government will still look for ways to maintain it, and maybe only the blockchain will be used

Bank will be used, it will still remain as it is.

The one that will be developed or will be improved is the technology behind it. Why would you also say that the "system" will no longer be relevant? It will still be relevant knowing the government, the only thing that will be changed there is the technology behind it since Blockchain technology is a great technology to be used. Whether the transactions stay as it is or it developed based on cryptos, banks will still be there.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: shoreno on January 04, 2020, 07:59:03 AM
I think indeed the bank will be retained by the government, considering that the bank is currently a buffer for a country's economy. therefore even if the system used is no longer relevant, of course the government will still look for ways to maintain it, and maybe only the blockchain will be used

Bank will be used, it will still remain as it is.

The one that will be developed or will be improved is the technology behind it. Why would you also say that the "system" will no longer be relevant? It will still be relevant knowing the government, the only thing that will be changed there is the technology behind it since Blockchain technology is a great technology to be used. Whether the transactions stay as it is or it developed based on cryptos, banks will still be there.

that is true  . banks already evolved over the past century's and decades we have  . from traditional bank to the introduction of atm ( normal ones ) now they have now touch screen atm's with cctv's attached . recent implementation is the cardless withdrawals and of course the latest would be crypto atm's /withdrawals  .  idk if there are already country that have thier own dedicated crypto/blockchain based bank but im sure that it will also happen to most countries later on   .


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Mihaylovic on January 04, 2020, 08:13:22 AM
thatk you for the share. i am honestly very interested in how the adaptain is going to be. i mean we know that there are so many people that prefer traditional system. Even some of us do. how fast they will adapt to this alternative financial ecosystem. we will all see.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Webetcoins on January 04, 2020, 02:31:12 PM
We are slowly going into the cashless society. Some of the big countries like China is now doing their best to make their own cryptocurrency or a digital currency. This type of movement is the proof that there is something with cryptocurrencies and to those people who are skeptical and continuously denying will jump into the bandwagon train anytime soon.

It made me think worthwhile about the recent developments of online platforms, which usually using digital cashless form of transactions. One particular example was the online loan application, and requires digital wallet that can be withdrawn though different money transfer services.
On this process, the technology has started to evolve at advanced level nowadays and cashless will soon dominates the adoption numbers.
This will depend on the country, some countries still have low Internet coverage and others are not able to do it maybe only applicable in some cities but not in total area. There will be need for a improvement first of the countries technology before we totally say goodbye to banking traditional ways.
Many countries still not get higher speed internet access and adopted blockchain without use bank is ad effect, how come many people will make transaction without use internet, bitcoin always need internet for log in and we need good speed internet when selling or buying bitcoin and altcoin.
Yes you are right. Those countries that have access to the technological advancements prefer online system of finance over the banking system. But banking systems are still reliable in today’s world because of the reason that official setups could not operate through online systems. They need to keep the record of everything and it is only possible through the physical systems.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Triffin on January 04, 2020, 02:45:57 PM
;D How exactly? I don’t think banks are ever going to end. Even if we all switch to cryptocurrency there is still going to be banks and they will be offering some other services like loans. And when I said banks are never going to end, I’m referring to fiat as well. You’ve heard that China is creating their own cryptocurrency but you didn’t ask how it is going to function.

After creating cryptocurrency they are not going destroy fiat, cryptocurrency will serve as another means of payment different from their fiat, and citizens will be able to convert their fiat to cryptocurrency and also be able to sell it for fiat if they want. That’s how I see it.
That's why it's too early to say goodbye to banks. It's not like they're going to end just because China is planning to launch their own cryptocurrency. Crypto will just be included in the circulation but fiat would still remain. China never said they will replace their fiat will crypto and that banks will be gone. People would still prefer banks. Why overhyping much China's digital currency?
Yes China is making crypto but they never said that invention of New coin in their country will replace fiat but the reality is as time passing fiat is loosing value and crypto is getting more value as currency as well so the same way people love to save money in forum of investment in crypto rather than storing it uselessly in banks.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Argoo on January 05, 2020, 08:21:47 AM
This will most likely be the trend for most countries as they transition to the digital economy. But these government cryptocurrencies or digital currencies will still be centralized so they will not take the place of decentralized currency.
Stable coins of states, of course, will not take the place of a decentralized cryptocurrency, however, they can very strongly supplant it as a means of payment. People are more likely to trust the stable coins of their government more and therefore banks will change. Contrary to different opinions, the positions of banks from this only strengthened. They will successfully use blockchain technology and will become much faster and more efficient in conducting their transactions.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Visbay on January 05, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
thatk you for the share. i am honestly very interested in how the adaptain is going to be. i mean we know that there are so many people that prefer traditional system. Even some of us do. how fast they will adapt to this alternative financial ecosystem. we will all see.
In some areas, people still use traditional currency and they are yet not using cryptosystems but only because they are so backward and they don’t have internet access. So we should move with time and developments so if the payment system is turning to the digital system we should also accept it and adopt it. People now prefer using crypto investment more than storing their money in banks.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: CarnagexD on January 05, 2020, 01:04:10 PM
I think indeed the bank will be retained by the government, considering that the bank is currently a buffer for a country's economy. therefore even if the system used is no longer relevant, of course the government will still look for ways to maintain it, and maybe only the blockchain will be used


Yes, I also think like that, the Bank will only take Blockchain technology to be adopted into their banking system.
So I think the Bank will continue to exist even though Bitcoin has already been legalized by many countries.
Even though bitcoin is legalized in some countries, it is still not enough to think that the banking will get removed from the financial system. Banks are now doing well with their experimentation and trials to implement blockchain technology. They will surely continue to exist and they will become better than before because of their action to adapt the newest technologies.
Indeed, bitcoin's legalization is a good stepping stone, but it will take time before banking becomes obsolete, the business has been ongoing ever since we knew how to take care of our possessions, and it's not gonna be that easily taken down. If anything, bitcoin will revolutionize banking itself. as some characteristics bitcoin has will definitely be beneficial in the banking industry.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: senne on January 05, 2020, 01:17:22 PM
Block chain gonna change how banking is done. I agree that America is pretty much regularizing the Bitcoin and decentralized currency as we know it. But every country be it America or china, are working aggressively in implementing block chain in various sectors to make it effecient. I doubt any company specially banks are not testing block chain or spending heavily on R&D just to see how viable is bloclchain. So no, America is not restricting the innovation but just strict towards decentralized cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Boov on January 05, 2020, 04:17:47 PM
More countries are into blockchain adoption. This is a forward move, but countries are specific in their stand of supporting blockchain technology and standing against cryptocurrency usage particularly bitcoin. China once a big supporter of Bitcoin is now supporting blockchain and in the plan of having their own cryptocurrency. Maybe this can take place with more countries, but there needs to be some common asset that unifies everything. This role probably taken by bitcoin.
If this will happen this year, I think nothing will change in the world's economical status but this will be a little help to improve our economical status. There are still a lot of countries who does not support the cryptocurrency because they lacked knowledge about the crypto world but if the US and China launch their first ever coin and announce it to the public, I think that scenario will be a big help to cryptocurrency to be introduced all over the world and also I think that more countries will be encourage also to build their own virtual coin.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Oilacris on January 05, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
More countries are into blockchain adoption. This is a forward move, but countries are specific in their stand of supporting blockchain technology and standing against cryptocurrency usage particularly bitcoin. China once a big supporter of Bitcoin is now supporting blockchain and in the plan of having their own cryptocurrency. Maybe this can take place with more countries, but there needs to be some common asset that unifies everything. This role probably taken by bitcoin.
If this will happen this year, I think nothing will change in the world's economical status but this will be a little help to improve our economical status. There are still a lot of countries who does not support the cryptocurrency because they lacked knowledge about the crypto world but if the US and China launch their first ever coin and announce it to the public, I think that scenario will be a big help to cryptocurrency to be introduced all over the world and also I think that more countries will be encourage also to build their own virtual coin.
It wont really takes too much time for other countries not to know about blockchain technology since there are already countries that do consider
for this innovation to be implied into their own system.

Talking about this year? No it wont really be that early but pretty sure we are heading towards that possibility.Goodbye to banking?Its impossible
there would be changes but doesnt mean it would vanish.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: luppecuppe on January 05, 2020, 05:33:02 PM
I don't think it would be a national cryptocurrency. The existence of this market is against the interstate economy. Bitcoin has no owner. I don't think states need to go on an adventure like this. A firm that has the means of production can establish a real dominance at the cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: FLoving on January 05, 2020, 05:39:28 PM
I don't think it would be a national cryptocurrency. The existence of this market is against the interstate economy. Bitcoin has no owner. I don't think states need to go on an adventure like this. A firm that has the means of production can establish a real dominance at the cryptocurrency.
In the modern age anything can happen and the crypto currencies are made of the type which can fit in our states financial system without any problem to our economy. Many countries are seeing this currency as better for their future and it is right that bitcoin do not have any known owner but what we have to do with the owner if bitcoin is a decentralized currency and is working without any effect in our system.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: diazepam666 on January 05, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
Does anyone here believe that Bitcoin will be replace the centralised mode of banking? I am damn sure Government and centralised business entities will not a low decentralized market to capture the finance field.
Plenty of news leagues from 2015 to now like they were adopting cryptocurrency mode of payment in their banking system but 95% of the people doesn't go with the major and top most cryptocurrency also so far.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: TastyChillySauce00 on January 05, 2020, 10:25:44 PM
I don't think it would be a national cryptocurrency. The existence of this market is against the interstate economy. Bitcoin has no owner. I don't think states need to go on an adventure like this. A firm that has the means of production can establish a real dominance at the cryptocurrency.
No one talking about bitcoin here and China will be releasing their own version of crypto which of course centralized and totally in their control,

thatk you for the share. i am honestly very interested in how the adaptain is going to be. i mean we know that there are so many people that prefer traditional system. Even some of us do. how fast they will adapt to this alternative financial ecosystem. we will all see.
Basically will be the same thing like those digital payment system that are already widely used in China, the fact that they are already close to becoming totally cashless society will probably speed up the adoption.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Sanugarid on January 06, 2020, 03:13:40 AM
I find this just another in a series of announcements about some new currency from China, and I think everything else is just speculation until it becomes reality. China will launch digital yuan, it will be on a private blockchain and it will be under full control of People’s Bank of China. At the moment, I believe that this is an internal matter of China and that it cannot affect the global financial system. It is very likely that all economic forces will launch their digital currencies at some point, this is inevitably the direction the world is moving, a complete transition to the digital age.

As for Libra, haven't the US and EU strongly opposed the project? I am not sure if anything has changed in the US, but the EU still firmly stands by its position that it will not allow Libra in this form as presented.


We all know that when the time that cryptocurrencies and digatal transaction came up, some banking system blows up but not totally blew. They develop this kind of transaction and also currency to help our economy get more bigger than the old system when we have a banking. When China adopted this kind of system, the blockchain technology, they come up with the new currency and that is digital yuan.With this, also some other countries will launch there own digital currency and we hope this will have a good possibility for them.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: cutesgirl on January 06, 2020, 04:49:35 AM
I keep trusted with banking system work because more safety saving my money in the bank and easy when  use my money for transaction in my country, when many bitcoin member want to break out whit bank I think we still need bank for investing in bitcoin, without have bank how come we can sent money for investing on our bitcoin account, although we want to convert bitcoin with other currency we must sent money first.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Dart18 on January 06, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
One truth that I see in here.
China is really trying to piss off United States of America.

They are doing everything which is the opposite of what USA will do.
The fight of the strongest country. The war is in the internet now and not in arms anymore.
Maybe this is better than seeing another country perishing from radiation.  ;D


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Jet Cash on January 06, 2020, 10:10:23 AM
Has anybody mentioned that the current fiat system is a centralised virtual digital system already? Renaming it, and calling it a blockchain based currency won't really make any difference. What will make a difference would be the return of currency generation to the state, but I can't see the banking elite allowing that.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Triffin on January 06, 2020, 02:28:54 PM
I think indeed the bank will be retained by the government, considering that the bank is currently a buffer for a country's economy. therefore even if the system used is no longer relevant, of course the government will still look for ways to maintain it, and maybe only the blockchain will be used


Yes, I also think like that, the Bank will only take Blockchain technology to be adopted into their banking system.
So I think the Bank will continue to exist even though Bitcoin has already been legalized by many countries.
Even though bitcoin is legalized in some countries, it is still not enough to think that the banking will get removed from the financial system. Banks are now doing well with their experimentation and trials to implement blockchain technology. They will surely continue to exist and they will become better than before because of their action to adapt the newest technologies.
Indeed, bitcoin's legalization is a good stepping stone, but it will take time before banking becomes obsolete, the business has been ongoing ever since we knew how to take care of our possessions, and it's not gonna be that easily taken down. If anything, bitcoin will revolutionize banking itself. as some characteristics bitcoin has will definitely be beneficial in the banking industry.
now I have seen some banks are involving in bitcoin because they are adopting block chain in their system. I hope in few years banks will professionally adopt crypto system but it’s still only my predictions as now I have notice one thing that people prefer to invest their money in bitcoin more than they keep in banks because banks give them very less profit.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Golftech on January 06, 2020, 02:36:23 PM
One truth that I see in here.
China is really trying to piss off United States of America.

They are doing everything which is the opposite of what USA will do.
The fight of the strongest country. The war is in the internet now and not in arms anymore.
Maybe this is better than seeing another country perishing from radiation.  ;D
China is looking for the best venue to opposed US in a non-verbal ways, with so many gaps between this two powerful nations they both wanted to
have the advantages. With blokchain, where US is not showing any support and wanted to keep what they've already have china seeing and edge
and wanted to explore deeper. This act exactly the opposite side from how the US government seen and wanted to stop or prohibits the usages.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Wexlike on January 06, 2020, 02:58:27 PM
Has anybody mentioned that the current fiat system is a centralised virtual digital system already? Renaming it, and calling it a blockchain based currency won't really make any difference. What will make a difference would be the return of currency generation to the state, but I can't see the banking elite allowing that.

The central banks are already highly political. Going 100% back to the state won't change much anymore. The seperation now is only to calm down the masses and the small fights between for example the FED and Trump are just a joke in the end.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: SquallLeonhart on January 06, 2020, 05:40:03 PM
Banking system is moving to more and more digital because the newer generations can handle the improvements in technology, sure the old type of banking systems will continue to live for another 20-30 years at least because people who are in their 60's are having a bit of trouble but also adjusting even if slowly to the new technology whereas people who are on their 70's are not keeping up with it properly, so in 20-30 years only the people who are in their 50's right now who can adjust to technology very well will survive with some 60's along the way, everyone else who will be alive will be people who are under 50's right now.

So, banks are taking all of that into consideration and working towards crypto, digital, blockchain and many more newer technologies they know new generation won't have a trouble with.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Murat on January 07, 2020, 04:24:05 AM
We have to go for a long run regarding this issue, I think Whatever China has done in this platform the Conventional banking system will be playing the ultimate role in the monetary system, I believe that cryptocurrency will also play a vital role in the monetary system but without banking system, most of the people will not able to transact their money, it's true that everything is getting changed so with the change of time, everything could get a new face. but a lot of reformation is required for this system for the improvement of the cryptocurrency system.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: GideonGono on January 07, 2020, 07:14:08 AM
I keep trusted with banking system work because more safety saving my money in the bank and easy when  use my money for transaction in my country, when many bitcoin member want to break out whit bank I think we still need bank for investing in bitcoin, without have bank how come we can sent money for investing on our bitcoin account, although we want to convert bitcoin with other currency we must sent money first.

Yup and I also won't gone easily because there are a lot of person who doesn't believe and accept the bitcoin. In fact they believe on Bank and other investment than crypto so we can see that banking won't gone as easily as they think.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: lixer on January 07, 2020, 05:19:00 PM
Nah, banking is not going to end, I know that for sure. Every countries are not going to be using the same cryptocurrency, it is all going to be different. China is already creating their own cryptocurrency and we all know that it’s going to be a centralized cryptocurrency and banks will be among the top organizations that will control it.

If other countries start creating their own cryptocurrency it’s going to be the same thing, so I don’t see banks taking their hands of from our finance, they will always be in control. But there will still be decentralized digital currencies/assets like Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: LeGaulois on January 08, 2020, 10:14:48 PM
but the primary motivations are payment safety and domestic efficiency in the majority.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty (anonymity), to purchase a little temporary Safety (efficiency) , deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Basically your entire post is central and private Zio-banks propaganda, and if I could I would demerit you out of existence for propagating such utter nonsense that is in fact quite dangerous, with all those fancy graphs and charts some poor sobs have a chance to fall for it. That's extremely disappointing to see a legendary member displaying such careless set of sentences. For me it's a dis-qualifier, sort of like treason, a stab in to satoshis back and so on.
So, so many things have to change for things to stay exactly the same...
New face my ass! Looks like a pentagram-ish mark of the beast.
 
Zionism is good :)

You are very funny. I have been looking for some of your old posts and you contradict yourself several times. Don't you have a debit card? Why using it so. If the banks want to remove our anonymity they could do it without using CDB, they started already and without it, ah the debate for the cashless society you know?

People like you always complain about saying the banks cost us too much, take to much time, etc, but when they're working on something to improve, people aren't happy. Like right now since we have instant SEPA, they already started to complain lol. I would suggest you read some posts from Hal Finney, explaining why Bitcoin can't become the currency for the masses and why banks need to adopt a digital currency model...

I believe you watched too much propaganda and Alex Jones video on youtube. I see you have no idea what is Zionism, perhaps you just heard about the yellow book. I won't go down to your level but with people like you I'm glad government sponsor abortion program


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: poptok1 on January 08, 2020, 10:56:55 PM
Zionism is good :)
-snipping obvious trolling-

It might be good for some but it doesn't change the fact that it's immoral. One group usurping themself a total power over another people, justifying it with allegorical scripture and it's elaboration that is Babylonian Talmud, compiled about 600 years after Christ. Supremacy based on religion is nothing different from same, based on pseudo-science that is eugenics or neo-Darwinism, superiority. Usurpation of power can not be justified logically nor on moral basis, that's why this idea will fall miserably, dragging along another millions of innocents. Supporting such macabre set of racist and discriminatory ideals, makes you an accomplice to possible genocide, that talmud is clearly preaching.

I don't own and I'm not planing to own any bank account, any card and any official zio-bank app.
I don't care about modern, unlimited and highly controlled fiats schemes, cashless society nonsense and those so called improvements, that only serve as a another tool of global enslavement and control.     
   
If you have found something that could point out on how and where, I'm contradicting my self, please quote it and prove my inconsistency. Note, only a rock doesn't change it's views. FYI Jones is an Israeli shill... possibly so are you.
Ad-hominem attack only proved how little to add to this discussion you have, and how weak your arguments are.

 



Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Wipeout2097 on January 09, 2020, 04:20:44 PM
Already trade war is going on between china and usa and it already affect many companies globally. Block chain now need of every country to make proper progress in the stable economy of the country.
If china get success to launch official coin it will bring boom in crypto world,We all know the population of china dominant globally and the users f it coin will be in large number.May be it affect the BTC but till BTC users will be double and the halving also completed.

This is i say days are coming and the traditional banking system must think for next step to survive in the market otherwise  will payoff more than they think.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Ayiranorea on January 09, 2020, 04:45:34 PM
Already trade war is going on between china and usa and it already affect many companies globally. Block chain now need of every country to make proper progress in the stable economy of the country.
If china get success to launch official coin it will bring boom in crypto world,We all know the population of china dominant globally and the users f it coin will be in large number.May be it affect the BTC but till BTC users will be double and the halving also completed.

This is i say days are coming and the traditional banking system must think for next step to survive in the market otherwise  will payoff more than they think.
Banking won't go away from usage, people getting used to the technology and the same has driven mass of people towards cryptocurrencies. This has made the banking industry to give importance to the technology dependent development. As a part more banks are into transition, but the same isn't gonna end the usage of banks by common people.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Silberman on January 09, 2020, 05:41:17 PM
Does anyone here believe that Bitcoin will be replace the centralised mode of banking? I am damn sure Government and centralised business entities will not a low decentralized market to capture the finance field.
Plenty of news leagues from 2015 to now like they were adopting cryptocurrency mode of payment in their banking system but 95% of the people doesn't go with the major and top most cryptocurrency also so far.
They are never going to allow it and I am not sure that most people will want it either since it is obvious humans have an instinct to want some sort of centralization, however I really expect that during the next years and decades bitcoin becomes accepted in the same way that PayPal is accepted all over the Internet, if that were to happen it will be a huge step forward for bitcoin and for us, because if you wanted to avoid using fiat at all you could do so if you wanted.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: sana54210 on January 12, 2020, 07:14:08 AM
Already trade war is going on between china and usa and it already affect many companies globally. Block chain now need of every country to make proper progress in the stable economy of the country.
If china get success to launch official coin it will bring boom in crypto world,We all know the population of china dominant globally and the users f it coin will be in large number.May be it affect the BTC but till BTC users will be double and the halving also completed.

This is i say days are coming and the traditional banking system must think for next step to survive in the market otherwise  will payoff more than they think.
There is 100% possibility that china might launch their own cryptocurrency in order to support their in-boundary transactions. Also once china does so, they would gain maximum attention from the entire globe and it would actually make a immense price growth in their specific coin. Their coin might even posses the ability to overtake bitcoins in few coming years because of their over-populated nation.

If china itself trades with their coin actively, they would have the highest trading volume. China might itself create a high demand for their coin which would affect in the huge price growth with the limited supply. It might also boost other cryptocurrencies like bitcoins but we can't really know what china might think. Perhaps china might try to ruin each other cryptocurency just to make their currency the most powerful one?


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Polar91 on January 12, 2020, 09:27:14 AM
Already trade war is going on between china and usa and it already affect many companies globally. Block chain now need of every country to make proper progress in the stable economy of the country.
If china get success to launch official coin it will bring boom in crypto world,We all know the population of china dominant globally and the users f it coin will be in large number.May be it affect the BTC but till BTC users will be double and the halving also completed.

This is i say days are coming and the traditional banking system must think for next step to survive in the market otherwise  will payoff more than they think.

Here's the thing, if China will probably have their own cryptocurrency and strictly for their people only and people around the world isn't buying it, the effect will just remain to their vicinity, leaving the outside countries unaffected to the progress and development of their financial economy. But, if this cryptocurrency will be open for the world and the worldwide market, then people around the world including us will benefit and might consider it better than bitcoin and that's how huge Chinese population could impact the market.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: blckhawk on January 12, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
China has been always known as an economy-centric country, and with such technology, they had seen its advantages, though they made it centralized to combat decentralized anonymity that might be used in illegal activites. It's just like a digital version of their fiat, only using a specialized blockchain of their own, which as far as I know, is called Xuperchain, announced already by Baidu, they're own version of Google.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Sanitough on January 12, 2020, 10:55:30 AM
China has been always known as an economy-centric country, and with such technology, they had seen its advantages, though they made it centralized to combat decentralized anonymity that might be used in illegal activites. It's just like a digital version of their fiat, only using a specialized blockchain of their own, which as far as I know, is called Xuperchain, announced already by Baidu, they're own version of Google.
They only improve the system but decentralized is more accurate and trustworthy IMO, but we can't change that government always means centralized.
Well, good for China, hopefully they'll be able to launch that successfully and soon I am hoping they will also be positive in crypto regulation.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: ololajulo on January 12, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Now many states plan to issue their national stable coin, even the figure is called that there are already about 70 percent of such states and this, of course, will change the world banking system. Stable coins of the states, which are their digitized national currency, combine the capabilities of cryptocurrency and ordinary currency. From this, the banking system will only get stronger.
Stable coins of the states, and first of all, a stable coin of the Chinese government, can become a serious competitor to a decentralized cryptocurrency as a means of payment. The Chinese government does not seek to create a second bitcoin. They create a fully controlled blockchain-based currency. Therefore, the global financial system will definitely change.
Stable coin are likely to always thrive and it is not expected to be a difficult coin to get to market, we rarely see ICO or IEO for stable coin which indicate it always have financial backing. Most times the financial backing is lower than the publicized figure but have found them being tolerable if the amount is still close. Most Government going there this time may have no physical fund to back it or it may not be traced, will SEC verify china financial backing if they are not looking for trouble.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: BChydro on January 12, 2020, 03:19:28 PM
China has been always known as an economy-centric country, and with such technology, they had seen its advantages, though they made it centralized to combat decentralized anonymity that might be used in illegal activites.
Decentralized does not mean anonymity, if you are connecting to a peer you are going to give out your IP details and the advantage of adding blockchain is that it cannot be rewritten or altered and the record will be there forever and if you are living in a country like China or any third world country then you need to worry if they are planning to implement blockchain technology as the government will have complete control over your finance.




Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: 3la9l_kolbaCa on January 12, 2020, 03:53:33 PM
Does anyone here believe that Bitcoin will be replace the centralised mode of banking? I am damn sure Government and centralised business entities will not a low decentralized market to capture the finance field.
Plenty of news leagues from 2015 to now like they were adopting cryptocurrency mode of payment in their banking system but 95% of the people doesn't go with the major and top most cryptocurrency also so far.
They are never going to allow it and I am not sure that most people will want it either since it is obvious humans have an instinct to want some sort of centralization, however I really expect that during the next years and decades bitcoin becomes accepted in the same way that PayPal is accepted all over the Internet, if that were to happen it will be a huge step forward for bitcoin and for us, because if you wanted to avoid using fiat at all you could do so if you wanted.

Digitalization of online transaction is one way of avoiding fiat encashment, in which diverting your physical payment towards the digital form of transactions can be done in virtual form. Banks since the traditional times, only capable of managing our assets in physical form. That's why they're only focused on fiat cash processing, and unlike with blockchain technology on bitcoin; those process will be eliminated once digital currency will be fully implemented on different parts of the world.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: darewaller on January 12, 2020, 04:36:22 PM
China has always been a country with their own commodities. I would rather say China is the most developed country which tries to replicate any other commodity which the world announces. They have their own youtube, google, etc so why can't we expect them having their own bitcoin(bitcoin in-the-sense their own coin).

China has the most largest population in the world and any service or commodity they launches has their own users from their country. China is actually not in need of any other users from other respective nations and hence they keep on building their own products and use that individually. China might also improve their banking skills by launching cryptocurrencies in their banking systems. This might bring an revolution in the banking sector.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Wexlike on January 12, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
China has always been a country with their own commodities. I would rather say China is the most developed country which tries to replicate any other commodity which the world announces. They have their own youtube, google, etc so why can't we expect them having their own bitcoin(bitcoin in-the-sense their own coin).

China has the most largest population in the world and any service or commodity they launches has their own users from their country. China is actually not in need of any other users from other respective nations and hence they keep on building their own products and use that individually. China might also improve their banking skills by launching cryptocurrencies in their banking systems. This might bring an revolution in the banking sector.

China is a big pile of a closed community. It is fascinating how well they manage to close the gates of the internet when it comes to their borders. I'm going next month to travel and am already very curious how my regular western apps will function there.

They might start with their own "fiat" digital currency with some form of blockchain. But I almost don't believe it will be decentralized. No sane central bank would give away the power of control and money creation.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: carlzec on January 12, 2020, 07:47:19 PM
Classic banking isn't going too well. Bitcoin and its derivatives push the limits of banking. Because not everyone has a bank account. Smart phones have entered our lives. Each phone can now be considered a bank. Banks will continue in smaller units. Banking is obliged to change.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: bdivrik on January 13, 2020, 09:16:36 AM
The banking system has long emerged. In fact, Zigurats can be an example in historical ages. I don't think they're gonna disappear now. They will probably undergo a technological shift. I think classical banking will undergo change.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Edraket31 on January 13, 2020, 09:56:19 AM
The banking system has long emerged. In fact, Zigurats can be an example in historical ages. I don't think they're gonna disappear now. They will probably undergo a technological shift. I think classical banking will undergo change.

For sure Banks will adapt the changes and will add crypto in their option, I don't think that banks will just disappear as we all know how they play in our economy, they are controlling our financial system and once they found out how many people and how much money in the crypto market for sure they will do something for it.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: drlukacs on January 13, 2020, 10:19:38 AM
there will be many changes from the global banking system if PBoC succeeds with CBDC and DCEP. In general this will change the direction of using e-money technically even though it is in a centralized system. If in the end this type of currency is more advanced and transparent, and on the other hand there are no technical things done by the US and EU at the same level, then the world economic system is possible to change direction, and Asia will begin to unite its vision in one economic zone.
But this is really unlikely. This is all a proposal and is still in development. I find the future of this innovation very difficult as fiat money can now be exchanged for digital currency on your credit card and pay it very quickly. People are already familiar with this payment method and certainly don't need the cumbersome payment for new crypto. Besides, many people do not like holding coins because it is too unstable, so this plan I do not overestimate.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Karmakid on January 13, 2020, 10:34:44 AM
The banking system has long emerged. In fact, Zigurats can be an example in historical ages. I don't think they're gonna disappear now. They will probably undergo a technological shift. I think classical banking will undergo change.

For sure Banks will adapt the changes and will add crypto in their option, I don't think that banks will just disappear as we all know how they play in our economy, they are controlling our financial system and once they found out how many people and how much money in the crypto market for sure they will do something for it.
The banks are already moving and creating their action to the demand for cryptocurrencies or digital currencies. We can see from the news that they are creating their own cryptocurrency and implementing the blockchain technology. They don't want to get left behind and lose the game in the financial industry and in the next 5-10 years, all of the sectors in financial industry will be blockchain powered.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Danne87 on January 13, 2020, 10:40:20 AM
The banking system has long emerged. In fact, Zigurats can be an example in historical ages. I don't think they're gonna disappear now. They will probably undergo a technological shift. I think classical banking will undergo change.

For sure Banks will adapt the changes and will add crypto in their option, I don't think that banks will just disappear as we all know how they play in our economy, they are controlling our financial system and once they found out how many people and how much money in the crypto market for sure they will do something for it.
The banks are already moving and creating their action to the demand for cryptocurrencies or digital currencies. We can see from the news that they are creating their own cryptocurrency and implementing the blockchain technology. They don't want to get left behind and lose the game in the financial industry and in the next 5-10 years, all of the sectors in financial industry will be blockchain powered.

and in fact, if large banks want to, then the value of their currencies will be much more reinforced than bitcoin.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: chaoscoinz on January 13, 2020, 10:57:58 AM
Wow China seems to have the right idea, better to create it's own cryptocurrency than to have it's citizens steer off course and join Facebook's Libra project, that's if Libra ever gets off of the ground and is able to jump through all of those legal hurdles congress is throwing at it. I think it is smart to have a digital stable coin then a cryptocurrrency like Bitcoin whereas the volatility can be nightmarish with those violent swings it has sometimes.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: AicecreaME on January 13, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
So we think that China, the government with the most oppression in the world which spys on its Citizens through the usage of a points system and biometrics on a daily basis, is going to lead the way on digital currency adoption? Hell no, that's bullshit.

China wants to use this to spy on their people even further. The ONLY current way that people are able to skirt the governments eye is by using cash, but you can't do that if the country forces you to use, then they're going to continue to spy on the people. They're going to push cash out of the economy because you can't spy on cash but you can SPY on digital cash.

If you are saying this because of the issue that is happening right now between China and Hongkong, then you should not worry. Even if the Chinese government will implement this just like what you have said, the Hongkong people will not be fazed because they do have their own Government, and they don't give a fuck about Chinese Government that is why they are opposing it for a long time.

However, for the people in China, I guess they wouldn't mind or won't even have doubts about it since they don't know that much when it comes to the government performing dirty little secrets even in fiat.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Silberman on January 13, 2020, 05:13:00 PM
Classic banking isn't going too well. Bitcoin and its derivatives push the limits of banking. Because not everyone has a bank account. Smart phones have entered our lives. Each phone can now be considered a bank. Banks will continue in smaller units. Banking is obliged to change.
Banks are already adapting, it is true that you can use your smart phone as your own bank, but are you using a banking application to do that? Then you're still using the bank, as this becomes more popular banks will find unnecessary to keep as many physical locations as they have now and they will reduce their costs that way, so make no mistake banks are going to remain competitive for a very long time and even if cryptocurrencies take over the world I'm sure that banks will continue to exist.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: sisule on January 13, 2020, 05:38:20 PM
By the way how to make deposit and buy bitcoin with cash money without deposit by using bank, do you have other way look easy when you want transfer your cash money to bitcoin account and try to buy bitcoin with higher amount without use bank? I think bank look easy way how to want deposit our cash money and buy bitcoin, exactly when made withdrawing look easy with using bank.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: greatr on January 16, 2020, 09:00:58 PM
The old banking system is most likely to be discarded, now many banks around the world have turned their banking system into digital. And this is a sign that each bank is going to create its own centralised cryptocurrency so it can be regulated. Like China, which embraces the technology of blockchain to make its own cryptocurrency. So it's no surprise now that not only the nation has begun to embrace cryptocurrency, but several businesses, including several banks, have started to plan to adopt cryptocurrency. And it can be said that we know it to say goodbye to banking.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: hello_good_sir on January 16, 2020, 10:39:45 PM
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According to this, china sped up development of its national digital crypto currency after facebook announced its libra plans and could release it in 2020.

One of the things that made america great was it being a previous hotbed of innovations and futuristic progress.

Today lawmakers appear determined to ensure america does everything within its power to oppose and obstruct innovations like bitcoin/blockchain/crypto.

It certainly makes sense from a policy point of view to get into launching on your cryptotokens before any private sector businesses starts to do so in your country, which could undermine the ability for a central bank to conduct meaningful monetary policy.

However, I think that China's development of their own centralized coin has already been underway or at least in talks a long time ago, and this is just an extension of these activities.

You're also right about the fact that a lot of countries aren't very progressive in the field of financial innovation. Instead of regulating the cryptospace positively they seem preoccupied with limiting and restricting access, which makes no sense imo.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: romero121 on January 17, 2020, 04:11:35 AM
However things go advanced there won't be a scenario to bid good bye to the banking system. It is the universally accepted system that has helped in economic development of the country. Maybe the platform gets updated to the growing need, but the banking industry will remain the same. Right now understanding the need of the upcoming generation and to stand against the growing crypto market, banking industry have begun to adopt the blockchain technology. Likewise updation will take place continuously.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: EdvinZ on January 17, 2020, 07:20:33 AM
Perhaps China will indeed become the first country to launch its own digital national currency. But I think this is not a reason to say that America is lagging behind China in development. In the United States, technological progress is much more versatile. And I think that the leading countries of the world are also able to launch their own digital currencies, if the economic situation requires it.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Polar91 on January 17, 2020, 07:41:03 AM
Perhaps China will indeed become the first country to launch its own digital national currency. But I think this is not a reason to say that America is lagging behind China in development. In the United States, technological progress is much more versatile. And I think that the leading countries of the world are also able to launch their own digital currencies, if the economic situation requires it.

I think it goes the other way around, blockchain projects are much more prominent in china and there is currently no update concerning them to create their own cryptocurrency as a national currency as well. For us to have a better world and economy, we should regulate money by means of alloting funds for improvement, if bitcoin and crypto today will not allow that to happen, I can see big countries will look for options to do that to align their country to innovation.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Janation on January 17, 2020, 07:41:09 AM
Perhaps China will indeed become the first country to launch its own digital national currency. But I think this is not a reason to say that America is lagging behind China in development. In the United States, technological progress is much more versatile. And I think that the leading countries of the world are also able to launch their own digital currencies, if the economic situation requires it.

I also think it would be China.

This country is now leading with a lot of people or users using their mobiles as their payment method. As this continues, it will be leading to development of their own digital currency and we don't know, maybe other countries will do the same.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Bezobraznike on January 17, 2020, 07:47:48 AM
Perhaps China will indeed become the first country to launch its own digital national currency. But I think this is not a reason to say that America is lagging behind China in development. In the United States, technological progress is much more versatile. And I think that the leading countries of the world are also able to launch their own digital currencies, if the economic situation requires it.

   Countries can launch their own coin, they will have to make changes in their infrastructure, but it's possible. It will be a centralized coin
with government as a head manager of the coin, they will be able to manipulate with supply of that coin.
   People needs to learn what is decentralization, for me that is a better and more fair system. We need to say goodbye to the current banking
system as we need to say goodbye to many governments.
   Question is are we ready for open world? Are we ready to be normal and good without masters who control us?


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: slashz9 on January 17, 2020, 03:12:07 PM
okay to note that China issued its own currency of course the government or banks have access to it, so it might still be the same but with a different version, I mean centralized digital money, so there is no different with now.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Colt81 on January 17, 2020, 03:52:21 PM
Crypto users are assuming that banks will really disappear in the future because most people nowadays now uses cashless payments when making a purchased, that is why there are chances that cash will also disappear in the future. But i think people still need cash because cashless payments is not that secured when it comes to hackers that they can easily access to your online wallets to steal your funds, so it is still safer to use banks and physical money like cash.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: White Christmas on January 17, 2020, 04:23:30 PM
Crypto users are assuming that banks will really disappear in the future because most people nowadays now uses cashless payments when making a purchased, that is why there are chances that cash will also disappear in the future. But i think people still need cash because cashless payments is not that secured when it comes to hackers that they can easily access to your online wallets to steal your funds, so it is still safer to use banks and physical money like cash.
It is impossible for cash to disappeared because paper money and the world bank will not let it happen, paper money is the one who are revolving around us and it is very hard to disappeared it as some point because many people are still being ignorance on what cash less is and they are intact on what they have been doing all they long which is they prefer cash as a payment for any transactions or when they are buying some product in some malls or eating in a restaurant, because this are the one that they are intact into, and this are what they are doing before so it is very hard to say that paper money will disappear as well as the banks.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Silberman on January 17, 2020, 05:25:56 PM
The old banking system is most likely to be discarded, now many banks around the world have turned their banking system into digital. And this is a sign that each bank is going to create its own centralised cryptocurrency so it can be regulated. Like China, which supports the technology of blockchain to make its own cryptocurrency. So it's no surprise now that not only the nation has begun to embrace cryptocurrency, but several businesses, including several banks, have started to plan to adopt cryptocurrency. So it can be said that we know it to say goodbye to banking. Because if the bank doesn't want to die, inevitably it has to follow technological developments.

But that doesn't really mean anything, banks have always adapted to the changes in the technology of the world, at the beginning banks accepted gold, then they accepted fiat, and then they allow the use of credit cards, so it is completely natural at some point in the future they are going to accept cryptocurrencies and in some cases they are going to create their own cryptocurrency as well, this doesn't mean that they are disappearing this just means that they are adapting.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: k@suy on January 17, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
The old banking system is most likely to be discarded, now many banks around the world have turned their banking system into digital. And this is a sign that each bank is going to create its own centralised cryptocurrency so it can be regulated. Like China, which supports the technology of blockchain to make its own cryptocurrency. So it's no surprise now that not only the nation has begun to embrace cryptocurrency, but several businesses, including several banks, have started to plan to adopt cryptocurrency. So it can be said that we know it to say goodbye to banking. Because if the bank doesn't want to die, inevitably it has to follow technological developments.

But that doesn't really mean anything, banks have always adapted to the changes in the technology of the world, at the beginning banks accepted gold, then they accepted fiat, and then they allow the use of credit cards, so it is completely natural at some point in the future they are going to accept cryptocurrencies and in some cases they are going to create their own cryptocurrency as well, this doesn't mean that they are disappearing this just means that they are adapting.
Yes the banks have the tendency to allow the usage of bitcoins and any other altcoins if and only if the government of a certain country allows it. Because the approval and the decision is in the hands of the government employees and also on the members with higher ranks. They are the one whos in charge in deciding whether they will implement or allow the bitcoin as a means of payment or not.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Spaffin on January 18, 2020, 01:36:53 PM
At least for me, the banking system has never been something negative.  If it was a matter of debt for a loan or large interest on a loan, then these are the conditions of the bank, to which a person initially agrees and no one forces him to sign a contract.  But in this situation, in my opinion, the state and the government have more blame if the person is forced to sign harsh conditions.  But such ties with banks are beneficial for the state, because governments control their citizens with banking information.  Although by and large it does not bother me.  Since I constantly use banking services, I hope that with the help of blockchain the system will provide customers with a wider range of services.  Not all people will be able to personally deal with cryptocurrency issues, but everyone can own for example bitcoin.  In this case, people can carry out the storage and transfer of cryptocurrency funds using their banks.  But since banking is controlled and governed by certain laws, the implementation of the above requires the full legalization of cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: GideonGono on January 18, 2020, 03:31:39 PM
The old banking system is most likely to be discarded, now many banks around the world have turned their banking system into digital. And this is a sign that each bank is going to create its own centralised cryptocurrency so it can be regulated. Like China, which supports the technology of blockchain to make its own cryptocurrency. So it's no surprise now that not only the nation has begun to embrace cryptocurrency, but several businesses, including several banks, have started to plan to adopt cryptocurrency. So it can be said that we know it to say goodbye to banking. Because if the bank doesn't want to die, inevitably it has to follow technological developments.

But that doesn't really mean anything, banks have always adapted to the changes in the technology of the world, at the beginning banks accepted gold, then they accepted fiat, and then they allow the use of credit cards, so it is completely natural at some point in the future they are going to accept cryptocurrencies and in some cases they are going to create their own cryptocurrency as well, this doesn't mean that they are disappearing this just means that they are adapting.
Yes the banks have the tendency to allow the usage of bitcoins and any other altcoins if and only if the government of a certain country allows it. Because the approval and the decision is in the hands of the government employees and also on the members with higher ranks. They are the one whos in charge in deciding whether they will implement or allow the bitcoin as a means of payment or not.

Yup, it is depend on the community or store on how they can accept the crypto but if you convert into fiat then that was good. The good for direct is you didn't need fee if you want to use your coin unlike converting it.

Bank would not being disagree on crypto because crypto must have own wallet like bank and must better to be used also for profit but have a high risk than bank.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: makolz26 on January 18, 2020, 03:55:47 PM
Crypto users are assuming that banks will really disappear in the future because most people nowadays now uses cashless payments when making a purchased, that is why there are chances that cash will also disappear in the future. But i think people still need cash because cashless payments is not that secured when it comes to hackers that they can easily access to your online wallets to steal your funds, so it is still safer to use banks and physical money like cash.
It is impossible for cash to disappeared because paper money and the world bank will not let it happen, paper money is the one who are revolving around us and it is very hard to disappeared it as some point because many people are still being ignorance on what cash less is and they are intact on what they have been doing all they long which is they prefer cash as a payment for any transactions or when they are buying some product in some malls or eating in a restaurant, because this are the one that they are intact into, and this are what they are doing before so it is very hard to say that paper money will disappear as well as the banks.

So far, we can't really say that banks will really disappear for now, we know how powerful they are that they wanted to control everything, our money, our economy, so for sure they will do something that will prevent crypto or will add crypto to their option, let's see, for sure you they are doing something right now that will surprise us.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Blackdeath on January 18, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
Crypto users are assuming that banks will really disappear in the future because most people nowadays now uses cashless payments when making a purchased, that is why there are chances that cash will also disappear in the future. But i think people still need cash because cashless payments is not that secured when it comes to hackers that they can easily access to your online wallets to steal your funds, so it is still safer to use banks and physical money like cash.
It is impossible for cash to disappeared because paper money and the world bank will not let it happen, paper money is the one who are revolving around us and it is very hard to disappeared it as some point because many people are still being ignorance on what cash less is and they are intact on what they have been doing all they long which is they prefer cash as a payment for any transactions or when they are buying some product in some malls or eating in a restaurant, because this are the one that they are intact into, and this are what they are doing before so it is very hard to say that paper money will disappear as well as the banks.

So far, we can't really say that banks will really disappear for now, we know how powerful they are that they wanted to control everything, our money, our economy, so for sure they will do something that will prevent crypto or will add crypto to their option, let's see, for sure you they are doing something right now that will surprise us.
More people are using physical money or cash than digital currency like bitcoin and other cryptocurrency when it comes purchasing goods and paying their bills at home, so a lot of people will be storing their funds in banks, that is why it is really impossible for banks to disappear for now because bitcoin is still not yet recognized by everyone in the world.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Webetcoins on January 18, 2020, 04:48:15 PM
Crypto users are assuming that banks will really disappear in the future because most people nowadays now uses cashless payments when making a purchased, that is why there are chances that cash will also disappear in the future. But i think people still need cash because cashless payments is not that secured when it comes to hackers that they can easily access to your online wallets to steal your funds, so it is still safer to use banks and physical money like cash.
It is impossible for cash to disappeared because paper money and the world bank will not let it happen, paper money is the one who are revolving around us and it is very hard to disappeared it as some point because many people are still being ignorance on what cash less is and they are intact on what they have been doing all they long which is they prefer cash as a payment for any transactions or when they are buying some product in some malls or eating in a restaurant, because this are the one that they are intact into, and this are what they are doing before so it is very hard to say that paper money will disappear as well as the banks.
Paper money will not completely disappear from our lives but Bitcoin will become an important part also. Due to every day revolution, long term benefits people are getting attracted toward it. People will use it as an easy option of payment in near future. But it will use side by side with paper money.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Lanatsa on January 18, 2020, 05:38:42 PM
Crypto users are assuming that banks will really disappear in the future because most people nowadays now uses cashless payments when making a purchased, that is why there are chances that cash will also disappear in the future. But i think people still need cash because cashless payments is not that secured when it comes to hackers that they can easily access to your online wallets to steal your funds, so it is still safer to use banks and physical money like cash.
It is impossible for cash to disappeared because paper money and the world bank will not let it happen, paper money is the one who are revolving around us and it is very hard to disappeared it as some point because many people are still being ignorance on what cash less is and they are intact on what they have been doing all they long which is they prefer cash as a payment for any transactions or when they are buying some product in some malls or eating in a restaurant, because this are the one that they are intact into, and this are what they are doing before so it is very hard to say that paper money will disappear as well as the banks.
Paper money will not completely disappear from our lives but Bitcoin will become an important part also. Due to every day revolution, long term benefits people are getting attracted toward it. People will use it as an easy option of payment in near future. But it will use side by side with paper money.
And come to think that Bitcoin does get its value from fiat and its impossible for it to replace it one day.We would never say goodbye to banking
yet as government do still exist these centralized things would exist no matter what.Nothing can replace into a system that had been used by many
since from the beginning of time.Bitcoin would only stay up as an alternative rather than the main ones because it impossible for that thing to happen
no matter how hard you do think of it.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on January 18, 2020, 08:07:23 PM
Perhaps China will indeed become the first country to launch its own digital national currency. But I think this is not a reason to say that America is lagging behind China in development. In the United States, technological progress is much more versatile. And I think that the leading countries of the world are also able to launch their own digital currencies, if the economic situation requires it.
Having their own crypto or digital currency is not easy to get but I have heard that China is planning for it. Talking about America is not good as crypto is about technology and America is one of the most developed countries so it will bring new revolutions in the crypto world. Bank system is itself involving blockchain in their system so I think both banks and crypto making each other stronger.


There is a particular case, it is in Venezuela, they launched their cryptocurrency, which looks a lot like a token, but it has largely failed, they have not implemented Blockchain but they use the traditional banking system, which has failed, since they are based on using the Biometric system with the fingerprint, so much that they were suspended until further notice.

Now the government wants to implement that each sale of a barrel of oil is made in the cryptocurrency, which forces them to move, the case of banks is paused, as FIAT money falls more and more with respect to the dollar.

At the beginning of the use of the cryptocurrency, the local currency suffered a much stronger collapse and, therefore, banks do not have the ability to issue cash bills to meet people's demand, in this case the banks cannot make Nothing, and when it comes to Bitcoin in particular economies, it moves much more and digitally using only FIAT money. The case of China has to control these problems, since the inflation that can be caused can be very high in a short time.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: FlightyPouch on January 18, 2020, 08:33:10 PM
Perhaps China will indeed become the first country to launch its own digital national currency. But I think this is not a reason to say that America is lagging behind China in development. In the United States, technological progress is much more versatile. And I think that the leading countries of the world are also able to launch their own digital currencies, if the economic situation requires it.
Having their own crypto or digital currency is not easy to get but I have heard that China is planning for it. Talking about America is not good as crypto is about technology and America is one of the most developed countries so it will bring new revolutions in the crypto world. Bank system is itself involving blockchain in their system so I think both banks and crypto making each other stronger.


The blockchain, yes but I don't think it does with crypto currencies. In some altcoins, maybe since there are a lot of altcoins out there that can be applied by a developed system and if seen very well it might applied to some popular cryptos especially bitcoin. China might lead the change, they're already going into that, I just hope it went well.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: senin on January 19, 2020, 08:04:15 AM
With the advent of cryptocurrency and blockchain technology, the banking system will change, but grow stronger and change for the better. We can already see that the banking system is moving relatively quickly to the use of blockchain technology and, in particular, the Ripple network. Recently, there was information that the Central Bank of Australia wants to transfer its banking system to the use of the Ethereum network. This information was very interesting to me, because ethereum can get a second life.
National stable coins of various states should appear in large numbers this year, they will also slightly change the banking system. However, there are banks and will work normally.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: abhiseshakana on January 19, 2020, 12:13:47 PM
So far, we can't really say that banks will really disappear for now, we know how powerful they are that they wanted to control everything, our money, our economy, so for sure they will do something that will prevent crypto or will add crypto to their option, let's see, for sure you they are doing something right now that will surprise us.

And come to think that Bitcoin does get its value from fiat and its impossible for it to replace it one day.We would never say goodbye to banking
yet as government do still exist these centralized things would exist no matter what.Nothing can replace into a system that had been used by many
since from the beginning of time.Bitcoin would only stay up as an alternative rather than the main ones because it impossible for that thing to happen
no matter how hard you do think of it.


The interest system implemented by banks raises injustice. Interest rates are used as a reference to achieve capitalist profits. The bank does not want to know whether the borrower makes a profit or not with their loan capital, as long as the borrower must pay loan capital plus loan interest.

There is injustice between the borrower and the giver of capital. Large profits obtained by borrowers who usually consist of groups under the group are only required to pay their capital loans plus loan interest in a relatively small amount compared to the billions of profits they get. This means that the large profits received by conglomerates from the proceeds of their loan money are not commensurate with the money (depositors in banks) which generally consist of the lower middle class.

Bank interest hinders investment because the higher the interest rate, the smaller the community's tendency to invest. People will be more inclined to save their money in the bank because of the greater profits derived because of high-interest rates.

Bank interest is considered an additional production cost for entrepreneurs using loan capital. High production costs force companies to sell their products at higher prices. Soaring price levels, in turn, will invite inflation because of weakening consumer purchasing power

Even though the bank's interest system has a lot of ugliness, it cannot be denied that people in the world need banks, whether to use banks to get loans, save money to get interest or just to save their money. As long as the fiat currency is still in use, the Bank will continue to exist and before the whole world changes using the cryptocurrency, the fiat system will continue.

Banks realize that Blockchain challenges their traditional business model. There are two ways for banks to survive in the era of blockchain and cryptocurrency advancing

1. Evolution
Changing from a profit-oriented industry to a service-oriented industry. Even if they want to pursue margin, loans are given on a project basis not on a guarantee, so that the role of banks can be felt by all levels of society. It's not only the rich who have guarantees.

2. Performing up-to-date derivation of banking products responding to customer needs (one-stop services). The more complete the services provided, the more interested the customer is. With a blockchain, there is no need for a middle man to transfer funds, but the Bank is still needed as a middle man for validating cross-country transaction documents, or the bank can be the guarantor of the fulfillment of a transaction agreement.

So banking adoption of blockchain technology is a foothold for survival in the future. The application of this system was carried out because of the bank's awareness of the potential of this technology. In addition, Blockchain has also been proven to accelerate payment transactions, reduce transaction complexity, especially in the back office, while reducing costs. The use of the blockchain can reduce the company's operational expenses. Because the data storage will be carried out in a decentralized way. However, in the first implementation, there will be a lot of capital expenditure out. But after that, the operating expense will gradually decrease.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: nancy on January 19, 2020, 12:53:22 PM
Banking will be better than now but crypto cant replace them for sure


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Darooghe on January 19, 2020, 01:04:33 PM
I think the banks as we know it could end, or it's better to say Banks will change and Bitcoin is a fierce competition for them. The debt crisis and crypto will sweep old fashioned banks. However, In the future there will be banks because most people prefer someone to take care of them. Most people do not want to be responsible and do not want to learn. There will be banks because the financial instruments are too complex and people will want to consult with specialists. But in this case Blockchain is more likely to supplement traditional financial infrastructure, making it more efficient and secure, instead of replacing it entirely.



Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: bettercrypto on January 19, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
However things go advanced there won't be a scenario to bid good bye to the banking system. It is the universally accepted system that has helped in economic development of the country. Maybe the platform gets updated to the growing need, but the banking industry will remain the same. Right now understanding the need of the upcoming generation and to stand against the growing crypto market, banking industry have begun to adopt the blockchain technology. Likewise updation will take place continuously.
Yes of course! People are still embracing the banking system. In fact, in my country there are a lot of people who tend to use atm cards than ewallet. Why? Because only few people see the importance of cryptocurrency especially in my place. But let us look always for future use of digital currencies and we all know that someday, it will be the primary currency of the world.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Faxmate on January 19, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
Banking will be better than now but crypto cant replace them for sure
Use of banks has become less than before we got better option to store our  money in crypto for long term. Keeping money in banks is not that profitable and safe and crypto increase our money in very short time. We should keep storing money in crypto its holding fkt small time can give you profit and  keeping money in banks will give you very little profit for long years holding so banks are now almost finished using


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: akram143 on January 19, 2020, 05:23:58 PM
Banking will be better than now but crypto cant replace them for sure
Banking is not a problem,the fiat is the one.

Crypto may replace them when people call it as currency but as of now its being considered as an investment.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: TinaK on January 19, 2020, 05:28:57 PM
We can say goodbye to bank but if you want to make the official transaction or any government oriented transaction means you need to have banking approved transaction receive to get paid for it.
That is a reason many of the people in the cities even they know the Bitcoin and its uses they are not accepting Bitcoin like how they are using the fiat currencies now.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: fravia on January 19, 2020, 10:06:09 PM
For a long time, the financial system is changing. With more and more new financial products and services for consumers every day, it becomes more digitised and online-based. In addition, many banks are already exploring blockchain technology and that will change banking even more as it will soon be introduced. EOLBREAK I don't think banks are interested in cryptocurrencies, they're only trying to figure out how they can be applied and waiting to be controlled. But don't be surprised if banks offer crypto-related services to their customers.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: huige007 on January 20, 2020, 01:00:05 PM
However things go advanced there won't be a scenario to bid good bye to the banking system. It is the universally accepted system that has helped in economic development of the country. Maybe the platform gets updated to the growing need, but the banking industry will remain the same. Right now understanding the need of the upcoming generation and to stand against the growing crypto market, banking industry have begun to adopt the blockchain technology. Likewise updation will take place continuously.
Yes of course! People are still embracing the banking system. In fact, in my country there are a lot of people who tend to use atm cards than ewallet. Why? Because only few people see the importance of cryptocurrency especially in my place. But let us look always for future use of digital currencies and we all know that someday, it will be the primary currency of the world.
People are embracing paper currency because it is centralized and accepted everywhere. It will be the primary source of payment in near future only if we will attract more people toward it. Bring your friends and closed ones in this market, give them the knowledge of background, importance and working of this digital market. Adding more in this market will increase its price and will lead to surprising results.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Gheka on January 20, 2020, 01:45:45 PM
Banking will be better than now but crypto cant replace them for sure
Use of banks has become less than before we got better option to store our  money in crypto for long term. Keeping money in banks is not that profitable and safe and crypto increase our money in very short time. We should keep storing money in crypto its holding fkt small time can give you profit and  keeping money in banks will give you very little profit for long years holding so banks are now almost finished using
I do not see the use of banking becoming less as you say, a reflection from my perspective is that the banking system is becoming more developed because I see banking services being offered more each year, more benefits from storing assets then offering low-interest loans, it shows no signs of going down due to the presence of crypto. Crypto can only come next to everyone with the concept of a potential and profitable investment position in a short time, except for this purpose, it can be used for payment and storage but it's not really common with these extra roles


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: moviebuff777 on January 20, 2020, 02:49:36 PM
It’s true that banking will change and is already beginning to change. There will still be a market for banking but those institutions will need to adapt to digital currencies and cryptocurrency needs of customers.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Xxmodded on January 20, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
It’s true that banking will change and is already beginning to change. There will still be a market for banking but those institutions will need to adapt to digital currencies and cryptocurrency needs of customers.
If you trust will change everything with bitcoin and cryptocurrency then have to say good bye for banking its terrible ideas, how to make investment with bitcoin and try to buy bitcoin without support from bank, how come to transfer our money to bitcoin exchange account without get support from bank.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Barbut on January 20, 2020, 03:36:53 PM
It’s true that banking will change and is already beginning to change. There will still be a market for banking but those institutions will need to adapt to digital currencies and cryptocurrency needs of customers.
If you trust will change everything with bitcoin and cryptocurrency then have to say good bye for banking its terrible ideas, how to make investment with bitcoin and try to buy bitcoin without support from bank, how come to transfer our money to bitcoin exchange account without get support from bank.

Banks and cryptocurrencies work together now, but for how long? I think that cryptocurrencies will take over banks one day, who knows when will it happen, but it will. Now we need to use banks, we can't skip that in everyday life, in sending money, slowly but steady cryptocurrencies are more popular among people.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: LeGaulois on January 20, 2020, 09:33:11 PM
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That's why Bitcoin can't replace traditional currencies, it can only be an alternative currency (but it's already a lot).

Today if you need to borrow money to buy a car, for example, you go to the bank and show your income justification and you receive the money, pay later xxx$ per month (principal+interest)

Imagine if Bitcoin becomes the only currency worldwide (considering banks don't use BTC) who's going to lend money to someone? Nobody. Nobody will take the risk to lend money/bitcoins to someone without having collaterals like banks can have (i.e. they take your house if you stop to pay, seize your salary, etc..)

Banks won't change from "profit-oriented" to "service-oriented" unless we change our mentality with the money and how we use it and the whole finance industry

just throwing out this idea

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Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Silberman on January 21, 2020, 05:22:15 PM
At least for me, the banking system has never been something negative.  If it was a matter of debt for a loan or large interest on a loan, then these are the conditions of the bank, to which a person initially agrees and no one forces him to sign a contract.  But in this situation, in my opinion, the state and the government have more blame if the person is forced to sign harsh conditions.  But such ties with banks are beneficial for the state, because governments control their citizens with banking information.  Although by and large it does not bother me.  Since I constantly use banking services, I hope that with the help of blockchain the system will provide customers with a wider range of services.  Not all people will be able to personally deal with cryptocurrency issues, but everyone can own for example bitcoin.  In this case, people can carry out the storage and transfer of cryptocurrency funds using their banks.  But since banking is controlled and governed by certain laws, the implementation of the above requires the full legalization of cryptocurrencies.
Banks have always existed in some way or form since the beginning of civilization and we will always need some kind of institution that gives loans to people that have productive ideas, that is a good service of the banks the problem is that they have been abusing their position of power to pass laws that favors them and if that was not enough many banks have taken away the power of governments to create currency by the use of fractional reserve banking and that is a power that needs to be taken away from them.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: DaftAjax on January 21, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Banking is not a problem,the fiat is the one.

Crypto may replace them when people call it as currency but as of now its being considered as an investment.

Uhh... But isn't banking is basically based on fiat? Uhh... NO. It is considered as currency in the first place, but as time come to pass it turned out to become an investment.

We can say goodbye to bank but if you want to make the official transaction or any government oriented transaction means you need to have banking approved transaction receive to get paid for it.
That is a reason many of the people in the cities even they know the Bitcoin and its uses they are not accepting Bitcoin like how they are using the fiat currencies now.

You seem to not understand the idea. Well, basically, we know that banks are either public (by the government) or private (by credit unions). But by this, the government are intending to have complete control over by implementing crypto of their own, and would drastically reduce the effect of banking, especially if the government will force you to use it.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: akram143 on January 25, 2020, 04:16:43 PM
Banking is not a problem,the fiat is the one.

Crypto may replace them when people call it as currency but as of now its being considered as an investment.

Uhh... But isn't banking is basically based on fiat? Uhh... NO. It is considered as currency in the first place, but as time come to pass it turned out to become an investment.


Banks are making money from no where so do you think banking is still better than decentralized crypto?


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: judaspriest on January 25, 2020, 05:25:35 PM

Banks are making money from no where so do you think banking is still better than decentralized crypto?
Banks aren't good! therefore cryptocurrency was created, but there are only a few that have good value, indeed decentralization is a good system for the future, but for now if the BANK ends, the world will be shaken


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: HabBear on January 25, 2020, 05:35:24 PM
GOOD! Banking as we know it sucks! It takes three days to send money anywhere outside a bank, that’s 1980s technology in 20 (fucking) 20!

Putting our banking system on the blockchain (after the blockchain has existed for 10 years) isn’t even a brilliant idea anymore. It’s the obvious or only idea to progress the banking system.

China doing this is great and shows incredible leadership on their part. But let’s not confuse any of this with cryptocurrency. They aren’t creating crypto currency. They’re merely (and greatly) putting their fiat currency on the blockchain.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: TrevorS on January 25, 2020, 06:46:48 PM
Banking will be better than now but crypto cant replace them for sure
Use of banks has become less than before we got better option to store our  money in crypto for long term. Keeping money in banks is not that profitable and safe and crypto increase our money in very short time. We should keep storing money in crypto its holding fkt small time can give you profit and  keeping money in banks will give you very little profit for long years holding so banks are now almost finished using

I doubt very much your words. 90% of people will not store money in crypto because it makes no sense.

What are their options?
Buy bitcoin - which is extremely unstable in price, and it is not known what will happen to it in the long term.
Buying altcoins is an even worse option.
Buy stable coins - but why take the risk if you have fiat.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Polar91 on January 26, 2020, 02:44:24 AM

Banks are making money from no where so do you think banking is still better than decentralized crypto?
Banks aren't good! therefore cryptocurrency was created, but there are only a few that have good value, indeed decentralization is a good system for the future, but for now if the BANK ends, the world will be shaken

Basically we are really bound to accept the fact that we don't need banks, we haven't realized that the world will not be functional as like today, if there is no regulation to the use of money we have. It might be hard to accept but the fact that regulation is needed, is what will make our economy better. They circulate money for investment, loans, government projects and for us to have infrastructures that we mainly benefited from. Without banks, everyone will be selfish and will focus on their own, making government incapable to function very well.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: mamahdedeh on January 26, 2020, 03:37:34 AM
Banking will be better than now but crypto cant replace them for sure
Use of banks has become less than before we got better option to store our  money in crypto for long term. Keeping money in banks is not that profitable and safe and crypto increase our money in very short time. We should keep storing money in crypto its holding fkt small time can give you profit and  keeping money in banks will give you very little profit for long years holding so banks are now almost finished using

I doubt very much your words. 90% of people will not store money in crypto because it makes no sense.

What are their options?
Buy bitcoin - which is extremely unstable in price, and it is not known what will happen to it in the long term.
Buying altcoins is an even worse option.
Buy stable coins - but why take the risk if you have fiat.

for now there are still many people who don't understand cryptocurrency, and they only know banks that are familiar. Moreover, the absence of government regulation has led to the development of crypto not as desired



Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Yatsan on January 26, 2020, 10:57:09 AM

Banks are making money from no where so do you think banking is still better than decentralized crypto?
Banks aren't good! therefore cryptocurrency was created, but there are only a few that have good value, indeed decentralization is a good system for the future, but for now if the BANK ends, the world will be shaken
Cryptocurrency is created to have a new kind of currency, which is a digital one. It's not created to fight banks. It's created to help it, to help the economy. Banks are needed for loans, for taxes, and etc. and bitcoin is needed for decentralization and avoiding huge fees that the middle man will get (like a bank). Like it or hate it, banks are needed for our economy to function perfectly, and bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is there to make it better.

Bitcoin and banks are not fighting each other, and they are the tool to make our society better.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Captain Corporate on January 26, 2020, 11:17:07 AM

 The banking as you know it is also not the banking older generations know it neither. So do not think that just because during the life span of bitcoin, banks will be improving and changing for the better just because competition also does it and everyone "has to" be the best bank they can possibly be without being too good to make as much profits as they can, doesn't mean they are doing it out of fear of bitcoins.

 Anyone here remember the times when credit cards fist started out? You literally had to use a huge machine, clink clunk over it, get signatures, call up some places, and many other horribly long taking times yet few people started to use it, nowadays you can read a QR code with your phone and you are good to go, it is that much improved. None of it because of Bitcoin, all because banks compete with each other.

 In 50 years banks will be sooooo much different than today, technological improvements and exponential, 5 year improvements in 2010 to 2015 are less than improvements in 2015 to 2020, and in 2020 to 2025 we will have bigger, so in 50 years banks will be so high end that right now we can't even imagine what would it be like. People 50 years ago didn't had the notion of understanding a smart phone could ever exist, or if you could talk, text, pay, online search, and video chat on the same device, basically all in one, if 50 years ago people didn't even imagined the technolgy we are so used to by now in smart phones, think of what unimaginable stuff will happen in 50 years from now. That will reflect on banks and change too many things for better.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: angrynerd88 on January 26, 2020, 12:44:38 PM
It is bitter truth that people who love crypto and normal users of crypto dont like traditional banking system.Most of common people also say no to traditional banking system but they forcefully use banking system because government dont allow to legalize the cryptocurrency.Crypto is like own bank and no any involvement of third party.Creating awareness about the crypto is needed most people know about the use of crypto majority will be in favor of crypto.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: fiulpro on January 26, 2020, 01:35:16 PM
You think that people will like getting looked at ? All the KYC and everything else is actually something to just spy on them , it is getting everywhere and this inturn is breaching the privacy of everyone. Also as long as you don't have anything to hide I do think that it won't matter much but at the same time the today's banking is not going to be physical it is more like mobile banking and I think soon enough terminals will replace the physical banks .


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: CarnagexD on January 26, 2020, 03:15:29 PM

 The banking as you know it is also not the banking older generations know it neither. So do not think that just because during the life span of bitcoin, banks will be improving and changing for the better just because competition also does it and everyone "has to" be the best bank they can possibly be without being too good to make as much profits as they can, doesn't mean they are doing it out of fear of bitcoins.

 Anyone here remember the times when credit cards fist started out? You literally had to use a huge machine, clink clunk over it, get signatures, call up some places, and many other horribly long taking times yet few people started to use it, nowadays you can read a QR code with your phone and you are good to go, it is that much improved. None of it because of Bitcoin, all because banks compete with each other.

 In 50 years banks will be sooooo much different than today, technological improvements and exponential, 5 year improvements in 2010 to 2015 are less than improvements in 2015 to 2020, and in 2020 to 2025 we will have bigger, so in 50 years banks will be so high end that right now we can't even imagine what would it be like. People 50 years ago didn't had the notion of understanding a smart phone could ever exist, or if you could talk, text, pay, online search, and video chat on the same device, basically all in one, if 50 years ago people didn't even imagined the technolgy we are so used to by now in smart phones, think of what unimaginable stuff will happen in 50 years from now. That will reflect on banks and change too many things for better.
Banks have been good for a time, until they got rid of the customer in the equation and started focusing on making money. They have been doing this for a very long time already and we pretty much can't do nothing about it besides condemn banks which really doesn't do anything. The concept of a special place where you can store your money for safekeeping is good, until they weren't anymore. Bitcoin brings the consumer back to the equationc and that's why we feel like it's better than banks right now.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Gheka on January 26, 2020, 03:48:43 PM

Banks are making money from no where so do you think banking is still better than decentralized crypto?
Banks aren't good! therefore cryptocurrency was created, but there are only a few that have good value, indeed decentralization is a good system for the future, but for now if the BANK ends, the world will be shaken
Cryptocurrency is created to have a new kind of currency, which is a digital one. It's not created to fight banks. It's created to help it, to help the economy. Banks are needed for loans, for taxes, and etc. and bitcoin is needed for decentralization and avoiding huge fees that the middle man will get (like a bank). Like it or hate it, banks are needed for our economy to function perfectly, and bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is there to make it better.

Bitcoin and banks are not fighting each other, and they are the tool to make our society better.
Yes, both of these products are a perfect support for us in this modern society, bitcoin as a new investment service, providing us with more profit, the bank is a safe storage place, except for that, it also creates more opportunities for investors who want to take risks when they have no capital and lack of conditions, although both have a mix when bitcoin can become a storehouse and a bank can become an investment place with low interest rates. But after all, they still prioritize development and focus on their main services, they have small competition but this competition is what makes them better.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Silberman on January 26, 2020, 04:38:33 PM
Banking will be better than now but crypto cant replace them for sure
Use of banks has become less than before we got better option to store our  money in crypto for long term. Keeping money in banks is not that profitable and safe and crypto increase our money in very short time. We should keep storing money in crypto its holding fkt small time can give you profit and  keeping money in banks will give you very little profit for long years holding so banks are now almost finished using

I doubt very much your words. 90% of people will not store money in crypto because it makes no sense.

What are their options?
Buy bitcoin - which is extremely unstable in price, and it is not known what will happen to it in the long term.
Buying altcoins is an even worse option.
Buy stable coins - but why take the risk if you have fiat.

I agree with this, most of us have gotten used to the volatility of bitcoin but most people are never going to accept that volatility willingly except when they think they can earn some easy money as it happened during 2017, it is because of this that I have always thought that one of the most important events that will push adoption upwards will be a global financial crisis that really hits the public and then they try to find alternatives to protect their money.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on January 26, 2020, 04:39:39 PM
Banks aren't good! therefore cryptocurrency was created, but there are only a few that have good value, indeed decentralization is a good system for the future, but for now if the BANK ends, the world will be shaken
With your theory how you will be purchasing bitcoin, barter system or you will be using the banking system and fiat currency to purchase the coins, if not how you are going to invest in bitcoin to begin, i do not understand from where you get these ideas that banking sector will be replaced with the introduction of virtual currencies ::).


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: 415jeremy on January 26, 2020, 04:47:07 PM
Digital Yuan isn't cryptocurrency, it's something like digitalized fiat. Chinese authorities are going to push cash out of the economy because they can't control its spending. Maybe it sounds like conspiracy theory, but China is known for spying its citizens.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: secone on January 26, 2020, 05:32:53 PM
Digital Yuan isn't cryptocurrency, it's something like digitalized fiat. Chinese authorities are going to push cash out of the economy because they can't control its spending. Maybe it sounds like conspiracy theory, but China is known for spying its citizens.

but i think digital yuan using blockchain system?
due for this 2 article , i think digital yuan is not a simple digital e money like old tehcnology
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-digital-currency-will-be-two-tiered-replace-cash-binance
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-central-bank-heres-the-latest-on-the-digital-yuan


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Triffin on January 26, 2020, 08:11:30 PM

Banks are making money from no where so do you think banking is still better than decentralized crypto?
Banks aren't good! therefore cryptocurrency was created, but there are only a few that have good value, indeed decentralization is a good system for the future, but for now if the BANK ends, the world will be shaken

Basically we are really bound to accept the fact that we don't need banks, we haven't realized that the world will not be functional as like today, if there is no regulation to the use of money we have. It might be hard to accept but the fact that regulation is needed, is what will make our economy better. They circulate money for investment, loans, government projects and for us to have infrastructures that we mainly benefited from. Without banks, everyone will be selfish and will focus on their own, making government incapable to function very well.
There are so many people who are not interested in banks now because they got better opportunity to store their money as long as they want but some people don't have information about crypto so they still use banks but I can see the future that soon bitcoin will replace this banking system and people will only invest in crypto as its better option for them.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Brunus on January 26, 2020, 11:01:57 PM
It is not known how it will end, but surely the banks will not agree to lose their power without fighting.
So banks - and other institutions - will invent things that will make you believe that it is crytpo but it is not. Like this.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: hahay on January 26, 2020, 11:16:21 PM
But all that will not happen quickly because it takes a long time for a complete transition, and even to date there is no news about the continuation of those who have plans to launch their own crypto still not happening which indeed still has obstacles and problems there. The banking system also continues to adjust in the form of digitization which of course this will become competition in a new era and with the support of existing banks will have the power so that it is irreplaceable.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: criza on January 26, 2020, 11:28:21 PM
today's banking is not going to be physical it is more like mobile banking and I think soon enough terminals will replace the physical banks .
Time has passed, entering a new age. For me, age of cashless transactions and crypto currency would soon be realized. The digitalization of physical transactions are currently being implemented and improved further for effortless transactions. This, in return, would raise new possible questions and problems toward its implementation. Possible risks toward the safety of ones account would come up and many people might lose their money. Crypto currency users should be updated and knowledgeable about securing their investments.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: tartibaya on January 27, 2020, 10:26:37 PM
In the classical sense, banking will change now. However, I do not think that the banks will disappear in an instant, because banks with such a large amount of money will find new ways. I think banks will transform into a new economy.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Jating on January 28, 2020, 06:02:23 AM
In the classical sense, banking will change now. However, I do not think that the banks will disappear in an instant, because banks with such a large amount of money will find new ways. I think banks will transform into a new economy.

Well, an institution who have been in existence of hundreds of years now won't simply disappear or become obsolete. Banks as we know it learn to evolved as well, now we have on-line banking (obviously, you don't get to go to a physical bank to transact).

and now they have somewhat a new competitor which its crypto, but then again I doubt that they will simply step aside, they will learn how to play with this so called crypto and learn to adopt, simply as that.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Kevondo on January 28, 2020, 09:38:53 AM
Banking is not a problem,the fiat is the one.

Crypto may replace them when people call it as currency but as of now its being considered as an investment.

Uhh... But isn't banking is basically based on fiat? Uhh... NO. It is considered as currency in the first place, but as time come to pass it turned out to become an investment.


Banks are making money from no where so do you think banking is still better than decentralized crypto?
No it is surely not in any case. Crypto is far better than banks and fiat currencies in many aspects. All the regulations, centralized nature and taxes make the banking system tuff and boring for the user. Crypto offers them a complete alternative method different from all the banking regulations, tax free and decentralized. Also the huge number of people’s attention toward is the answer of your question that no banking is no more better than decentralized crypto.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Accountsell on January 28, 2020, 11:10:42 AM
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China is poised to launch the first national digital currency. There will be no counting the disruption.  

So is China readying its own Bitcoin? Banish the thought.

It’s far bigger than that. Yes, just like any other cryptocurrency — or for that matter, cigarettes in prisoners-of-war camps — the upcoming digital yuan will be “tokenized” money. But the similarity ends there. The crypto yuan, which may be on offer as soon as 2020, will be fully backed by the central bank of the world’s second-largest economy, drawing its value from the Chinese state’s ability to impose taxes in perpetuity. Other national authorities are bound to embrace this powerful idea.    

Little is known about the digital yuan except that it’s been in the works for five years and Beijing is nearly ready to roll. The consensus is that the token will be a private blockchain, a peer-to-peer network for sharing information and validating transactions, with the People’s Bank of China in control of who gets to participate. To begin with, the currency will be supplied via the banking system and replace some part of physical cash. That won’t be hard, given the ubiquitous presence of Chinese QR code-based digital wallets such as Alipay and WeChat Pay.

It may start small, but the digital yuan can disrupt both traditional banking and the post-Bretton Woods system of floating exchange rates that the world has lived with since 1973. No wonder that for China, “blockchain and the yuan digital currency are a national strategic priority — almost at the level of the internet,” says Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. fintech analyst Gautam Chhugani.  

Ever since the advent of the 17th-century goldsmith-banker in London, the most crucial thing in banking has been the ledger, a repository of irrefutable records to establish trust in situations where it doesn’t exist. When Peter in Vancouver agrees to send money to Paul in Singapore, they’re forced to use a chain of interlinked intermediaries because there’s no ledger in the world with both of them on it. Blockchain’s distributed ledgers make trust irrelevant. Paul devises a secret code, and shares its encrypted version with Peter, who uses it to create a digital contract to pay Paul. A cumbersome and expensive network of correspondent banks becomes redundant, especially when it comes to the $124 trillion businesses move across borders annually. Imagine the productivity boost; picture the threat to lenders.

China isn’t the only one experimenting. Fast, cheap cross-border payment settlement is one application of JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s Quorum, an Ethereum-based platform on which the Monetary Authority of Singapore is running Project Ubin, an exploration into central bank digital money. These are early days, but if blockchain technology shows promise in handling a large number of transactions simultaneously, then digital currencies could become substitutes not just for physical cash but also for bank reserves.

That’s when the game changes. Reserves at a central bank are maintained by deposit-taking lenders. A digital yuan — or Singapore dollar or Indian rupee — could bypass this system and allow any holder of the currency to have a deposit at the central bank, potentially making the state the monopoly supplier of money to retail customers. As Agustin Carstens, the general manager at the Bank for International Settlement, noted recently, “If the central bank becomes everybody’s deposit-taker, it may find itself becoming everybody’s lender too.”

But why would central banks want to demote their own banking systems? One answer, looking at Europe and Japan, is that negative interest rates are doing that anyway. Lenders are starved of profit because while the central bank charges them for keeping money on deposit, they can’t as easily pass on those negative interest rates to their own depositors. If the global economy gets mired in long-term stagnation, official digital currencies will at least be an efficient way of monetary easing without involving banks.

The other, more concrete, reason may be that technological progress is making the status quo untenable. It’s no coincidence that China hastened its national cryptocurrency after Facebook Inc. announced the Libra project, which was touted as an alternative dollar. Perhaps that was fanciful, and the Libra has hit a wall of regulatory concerns. But if they’re offered like Spotify gift cards at the local 7-Eleven, there will be demand for tokens that are acceptable across borders, stable in value against baskets of national currencies, and can be used in global trade and investing. Someone in Silicon Valley will eventually succeed, blowing away the fig leaf of monetary sovereignty in emerging markets in the process.

The changes won’t end with banking and monetary arrangements. Token transactions will be pseudonymous: If the central bank wants to see who’s spending where, it can. Anonymity disappears when cash does. While that will make life difficult for money launderers and terrorists, it could also become a tool to punish political activism. Meanwhile, currency as a foreign policy weapon loses some sting. Pariah states will covet a crypto they can access by circumventing banks that are terrified of flouting Western sanctions. As Harvard University economist Kenneth Rogoff notes, technology “is on the verge of disrupting America’s ability to leverage faith in its currency to pursue its broader national interests.”

A roller-coaster decade — not just for for banking and money but also for privacy and politics — may just be beginning.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-29/china-has-edge-over-silicon-valley-to-end-banking-as-we-know-it


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According to this, china sped up development of its national digital crypto currency after facebook announced its libra plans and could release it in 2020.

One of the things that made america great was it being a previous hotbed of innovations and futuristic progress.

Today lawmakers appear determined to ensure america does everything within its power to oppose and obstruct innovations like bitcoin/blockchain/crypto.

While china and europe does the opposite. And so perhaps this represents a small microcosm of the paradigm shift taking place.


I already stopped using the banking systems only due to the blockchain tech.
I loved being with bitcoins and hence I have minimized my local transactions with the banking sectors.
This makes me feel confortable with my money and also no one has track on my money anymore.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Clairvoyance on January 28, 2020, 01:51:34 PM
There is all this buzz regarding big countries creating their own cryptocurrency. China, Russia and Japan to name a few, is already in their first stages. If the agenda of the local government is to have a centralized currency then they are already missing the point of having a cryptocurrency. Since it is too early to say if they will go full on implementation, we can expect further news regarding this over the course of a year or two. China's coin is very much sketchy for they are now testing social credit system


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Faxmate on January 29, 2020, 05:00:18 PM
Quote
China is poised to launch the first national digital currency. There will be no counting the disruption.  

So is China readying its own Bitcoin? Banish the thought.

It’s far bigger than that. Yes, just like any other cryptocurrency — or for that matter, cigarettes in prisoners-of-war camps — the upcoming digital yuan will be “tokenized” money. But the similarity ends there. The crypto yuan, which may be on offer as soon as 2020, will be fully backed by the central bank of the world’s second-largest economy, drawing its value from the Chinese state’s ability to impose taxes in perpetuity. Other national authorities are bound to embrace this powerful idea.    

Little is known about the digital yuan except that it’s been in the works for five years and Beijing is nearly ready to roll. The consensus is that the token will be a private blockchain, a peer-to-peer network for sharing information and validating transactions, with the People’s Bank of China in control of who gets to participate. To begin with, the currency will be supplied via the banking system and replace some part of physical cash. That won’t be hard, given the ubiquitous presence of Chinese QR code-based digital wallets such as Alipay and WeChat Pay.

It may start small, but the digital yuan can disrupt both traditional banking and the post-Bretton Woods system of floating exchange rates that the world has lived with since 1973. No wonder that for China, “blockchain and the yuan digital currency are a national strategic priority — almost at the level of the internet,” says Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. fintech analyst Gautam Chhugani.  

Ever since the advent of the 17th-century goldsmith-banker in London, the most crucial thing in banking has been the ledger, a repository of irrefutable records to establish trust in situations where it doesn’t exist. When Peter in Vancouver agrees to send money to Paul in Singapore, they’re forced to use a chain of interlinked intermediaries because there’s no ledger in the world with both of them on it. Blockchain’s distributed ledgers make trust irrelevant. Paul devises a secret code, and shares its encrypted version with Peter, who uses it to create a digital contract to pay Paul. A cumbersome and expensive network of correspondent banks becomes redundant, especially when it comes to the $124 trillion businesses move across borders annually. Imagine the productivity boost; picture the threat to lenders.

China isn’t the only one experimenting. Fast, cheap cross-border payment settlement is one application of JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s Quorum, an Ethereum-based platform on which the Monetary Authority of Singapore is running Project Ubin, an exploration into central bank digital money. These are early days, but if blockchain technology shows promise in handling a large number of transactions simultaneously, then digital currencies could become substitutes not just for physical cash but also for bank reserves.

That’s when the game changes. Reserves at a central bank are maintained by deposit-taking lenders. A digital yuan — or Singapore dollar or Indian rupee — could bypass this system and allow any holder of the currency to have a deposit at the central bank, potentially making the state the monopoly supplier of money to retail customers. As Agustin Carstens, the general manager at the Bank for International Settlement, noted recently, “If the central bank becomes everybody’s deposit-taker, it may find itself becoming everybody’s lender too.”

But why would central banks want to demote their own banking systems? One answer, looking at Europe and Japan, is that negative interest rates are doing that anyway. Lenders are starved of profit because while the central bank charges them for keeping money on deposit, they can’t as easily pass on those negative interest rates to their own depositors. If the global economy gets mired in long-term stagnation, official digital currencies will at least be an efficient way of monetary easing without involving banks.

The other, more concrete, reason may be that technological progress is making the status quo untenable. It’s no coincidence that China hastened its national cryptocurrency after Facebook Inc. announced the Libra project, which was touted as an alternative dollar. Perhaps that was fanciful, and the Libra has hit a wall of regulatory concerns. But if they’re offered like Spotify gift cards at the local 7-Eleven, there will be demand for tokens that are acceptable across borders, stable in value against baskets of national currencies, and can be used in global trade and investing. Someone in Silicon Valley will eventually succeed, blowing away the fig leaf of monetary sovereignty in emerging markets in the process.

The changes won’t end with banking and monetary arrangements. Token transactions will be pseudonymous: If the central bank wants to see who’s spending where, it can. Anonymity disappears when cash does. While that will make life difficult for money launderers and terrorists, it could also become a tool to punish political activism. Meanwhile, currency as a foreign policy weapon loses some sting. Pariah states will covet a crypto they can access by circumventing banks that are terrified of flouting Western sanctions. As Harvard University economist Kenneth Rogoff notes, technology “is on the verge of disrupting America’s ability to leverage faith in its currency to pursue its broader national interests.”

A roller-coaster decade — not just for for banking and money but also for privacy and politics — may just be beginning.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-29/china-has-edge-over-silicon-valley-to-end-banking-as-we-know-it


....


According to this, china sped up development of its national digital crypto currency after facebook announced its libra plans and could release it in 2020.

One of the things that made america great was it being a previous hotbed of innovations and futuristic progress.

Today lawmakers appear determined to ensure america does everything within its power to oppose and obstruct innovations like bitcoin/blockchain/crypto.

While china and europe does the opposite. And so perhaps this represents a small microcosm of the paradigm shift taking place.


I already stopped using the banking systems only due to the blockchain tech.
I loved being with bitcoins and hence I have minimized my local transactions with the banking sectors.
This makes me feel confortable with my money and also no one has track on my money anymore.
You did a great job buddy, it will surely improve the crypto economies in our countries we should use block chain because it is safer to use than keeping your money into banks. Till now I did not get any satisfying profit for storing my money in banks. Investing in crypto and storing in blockchain are then best steps we take about our money it gives profit for storing and ease for using at time of need.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: USBitcoinServices.Com on January 29, 2020, 10:08:48 PM
So we think that China, the government with the most oppression in the world which spys on its Citizens through the usage of a points system and biometrics on a daily basis, is going to lead the way on digital currency adoption? Hell no, that's bullshit.

China wants to use this to spy on their people even further. The ONLY current way that people are able to skirt the governments eye is by using cash, but you can't do that if the country forces you to use, then they're going to continue to spy on the people. They're going to push cash out of the economy because you can't spy on cash but you can SPY on digital cash.

You are right, citizens shouldn't trust government coins like the one from China; Anything CENTRALIZED I not good for the people! it is only good for governments or any entities looking for power and control. But meanwhile, those projects will help others to realize about cryptos and decentralization to become stronger.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Kimonoe on January 30, 2020, 10:38:46 AM
So we think that China, the government with the most oppression in the world which spys on its Citizens through the usage of a points system and biometrics on a daily basis, is going to lead the way on digital currency adoption? Hell no, that's bullshit.

China wants to use this to spy on their people even further. The ONLY current way that people are able to skirt the governments eye is by using cash, but you can't do that if the country forces you to use, then they're going to continue to spy on the people. They're going to push cash out of the economy because you can't spy on cash but you can SPY on digital cash.

You are right, citizens shouldn't trust government coins like the one from China; Anything CENTRALIZED I not good for the people! it is only good for governments or any entities looking for power and control. But meanwhile, those projects will help others to realize about cryptos and decentralization to become stronger.
besides that with coins from the government, I think it's difficult to make a profit, because later it might be more stable than cryptocurrency. on the other hand, it seems that the government still considers primary control, they are difficult to move to a decentralized system



Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: n0ne on January 30, 2020, 10:47:40 AM
So we think that China, the government with the most oppression in the world which spys on its Citizens through the usage of a points system and biometrics on a daily basis, is going to lead the way on digital currency adoption? Hell no, that's bullshit.

China wants to use this to spy on their people even further. The ONLY current way that people are able to skirt the governments eye is by using cash, but you can't do that if the country forces you to use, then they're going to continue to spy on the people. They're going to push cash out of the economy because you can't spy on cash but you can SPY on digital cash.

You are right, citizens shouldn't trust government coins like the one from China; Anything CENTRALIZED I not good for the people! it is only good for governments or any entities looking for power and control. But meanwhile, those projects will help others to realize about cryptos and decentralization to become stronger.
Just because it isn't good for the people and it benefits the government the citizens can't stand against it. Just to increase the usage of the cryptocurrency of the government it restricts the usage of bitcoin and other decentralized cryptocurrencies. Governments always look for profiting out of its people, now with cryptocurrencies more the usage more will be the revenue through taxes.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: jostorres on January 30, 2020, 02:42:27 PM
Say goodbye to banking? You wish. That’s not going to happen, the bank is a medium through which the government of every country is able to control and monitor every money in the country. So, when these cryptocurrencies are created, as the post says, they will be issued out by the Central bank of the country. And the way I see it, the Central banks will be the ones in charge in creating it but they won’t be handing it out to the public directly just like they do with fiat.

Banks (not Central banks) will be the ones issuing out the crypto assets to their customers through their internet banking platform and mobile payment systems. It’s going to be completely different from the Bitcoin we know because it’s not going to be decentralized and it won’t have the same features as Bitcoin, except it will be fast.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on January 30, 2020, 04:38:37 PM
In the classical sense, banking will change now. However, I do not think that the banks will disappear in an instant, because banks with such a large amount of money will find new ways. I think banks will transform into a new economy.

Well, an institution who have been in existence of hundreds of years now won't simply disappear or become obsolete. Banks as we know it learn to evolved as well, now we have on-line banking (obviously, you don't get to go to a physical bank to transact).

and now they have somewhat a new competitor which its crypto, but then again I doubt that they will simply step aside, they will learn how to play with this so called crypto and learn to adopt, simply as that.
I believe what he meant is banking being revolutionized to the point that it no longer resembles it past self. This could mean that banks are already incorporating technologies only known from bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. Which is really good in itself. Imagine banking running on blockchain technology. You can transact, get money, send, and withdraw everywhere, long as you have internet.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: Zemomtum on January 31, 2020, 04:59:59 AM
Well, this ambition might take some time but that will be the end result eventually. It is better government of all cadre embrace the new innovation of digital payment and joins the race


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: sedov1966 on January 31, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
In the classical sense, banking will change now. However, I do not think that the banks will disappear in an instant, because banks with such a large amount of money will find new ways. I think banks will transform into a new economy.

Well, an institution who have been in existence of hundreds of years now won't simply disappear or become obsolete. Banks as we know it learn to evolved as well, now we have on-line banking (obviously, you don't get to go to a physical bank to transact).

and now they have somewhat a new competitor which its crypto, but then again I doubt that they will simply step aside, they will learn how to play with this so called crypto and learn to adopt, simply as that.

I was just about to say the same.
Why do people think that banks are blind and won't notice the crypto?
While it has $200+ bils market cap at this point which is crazy.
You should understand that banks were all-in physical, then internet era came and there was only PayPal basically.
Well, PayPal didn't take over all the banks as you may noticed so draw your own conclusions


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: lanos925 on January 31, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
I think that everything that is said on the news about China and America is done just in order to cause us certain emotions, so that we all think about China or America in a certain way. In fact, most of what is happening (really important things) - we will not find out about this, because this will not be discussed in the news.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: romeojasmin13 on February 01, 2020, 06:53:50 AM
Digital economy is upcoming trend. But CB's cryptocurrencies or digital currencies will still be centralized so they will not take the place of decentralized currency.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: abhiseshakana on February 01, 2020, 06:46:07 PM
Say goodbye to banking? You wish. That’s not going to happen, the bank is a medium through which the government of every country is able to control and monitor every money in the country. So, when these cryptocurrencies are created, as the post says, they will be issued out by the Central bank of the country. And the way I see it, the Central banks will be the ones in charge in creating it but they won’t be handing it out to the public directly just like they do with fiat.

Banks (not Central banks) will be the ones issuing out the crypto assets to their customers through their internet banking platform and mobile payment systems. It’s going to be completely different from the Bitcoin we know because it’s not going to be decentralized and it won’t have the same features as Bitcoin, except it will be fast.


Means not goodbye, but only changes its appearance. There was a shift (adjustment) from conventional to digital. The point is the same that changes only the packaging. The product and system are the same, interest. Currency becomes cryptocurrency in the form of a stable coin. The swift system is modified by the blockchain technology cover.

In essence, the bank will do everything possible to maintain its existence (raiding the assets of the lower middle class for a group of people at the center of the pyramid). The only way to force a bank to change into a service-oriented institution is to stop saving at the bank or put your money in a bank safe deposit box to maintain the security of a lot of money. For those who have a little money to save time and for those who do not have money, try harder and don't borrow from the bank because it will only add to the problem. So we have to start from our mindset about banks so that conventional banks really become a sunset business.

Many people assume that banks are a healing drug, even though banks are a destroyer of the economic immunity of individuals, communities, and countries. The interest system provides the illusion of a lifestyle above ability, spurring the lifestyle of hedonism and triggering speculation for consumption not for investment, even though the future can only be predicted but sometimes the reality is far from expectations.


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: kesmex on February 03, 2020, 03:08:57 PM
Well, this ambition might take some time but that will be the end result eventually. It is better government of all cadre embrace the new innovation of digital payment and joins the race

some countries have done that, and banks from Germany have also been able to store Bitcoin, that's a good thing, maybe other European countries will also follow that, and I think the Bank will not end


Title: Re: Say Goodbye to Banking as We Know It
Post by: USBitcoinServices.Com on February 10, 2020, 02:29:19 AM
Say goodbye to banking? You wish. That’s not going to happen, the bank is a medium through which the government of every country is able to control and monitor every money in the country. So, when these cryptocurrencies are created, as the post says, they will be issued out by the Central bank of the country. And the way I see it, the Central banks will be the ones in charge in creating it but they won’t be handing it out to the public directly just like they do with fiat.

Banks (not Central banks) will be the ones issuing out the crypto assets to their customers through their internet banking platform and mobile payment systems. It’s going to be completely different from the Bitcoin we know because it’s not going to be decentralized and it won’t have the same features as Bitcoin, except it will be fast.


Means not goodbye, but only changes its appearance. There was a shift (adjustment) from conventional to digital. The point is the same that changes only the packaging. The product and system are the same, interest. Currency becomes cryptocurrency in the form of a stable coin. The swift system is modified by the blockchain technology cover.

In essence, the bank will do everything possible to maintain its existence (raiding the assets of the lower middle class for a group of people at the center of the pyramid). The only way to force a bank to change into a service-oriented institution is to stop saving at the bank or put your money in a bank safe deposit box to maintain the security of a lot of money. For those who have a little money to save time and for those who do not have money, try harder and don't borrow from the bank because it will only add to the problem. So we have to start from our mindset about banks so that conventional banks really become a sunset business.

Many people assume that banks are a healing drug, even though banks are a destroyer of the economic immunity of individuals, communities, and countries. The interest system provides the illusion of a lifestyle above ability, spurring the lifestyle of hedonism and triggering speculation for consumption not for investment, even though the future can only be predicted but sometimes the reality is far from expectations.

Yes, many banks will do whatever they can in order to keep in business as a centralized entities, and as we know they will use XRP to provide nontechie people a financial service, a lot of people don't want to learn by themselves and are willing to pay someone to do their tx for them, so that is where banks will keep existing or coexisting with crypto.