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Hey guys, I'm in the market for a Bitcoin hardware wallet.

I have already taken a look at the;

Ledger Nano Blue, S & X
Trezor One & Model T
KeepKey
CoolWallet S
CoolCard
BitBox02
BC Vault One
Secalot
ARCHOS Safe-T Mini
ELLIPAL Titan

Are there any other options I'm missing? I'm probably looking to buy 2 or 3 until I find the one I like most.

Merits for anybody who finds any that I've missed that are available now!

There is a issue with keepkey, last year December there were some article on it related to a majors flaw.  I am not sure about Cool wallet S or CoolCard. I will recommend Ledger Nano and Trezor.

You have missed few. Here is a list of hardware wallet - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hardware_wallet

Great resource, found a few there that I hadn't seen yet, including a few cool ones.

+merit for you.

Still putting together my final list of potential candidates to purchase guys, assistance is appreciated.

You are missing this one also
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5118062.msg50060978#msg50060978

BitHD
It is a beautiful wallet with a different design
https://bithd.com/image/banner4_pic@2x.png


It is very new and I don't know anything about its security or whatever.

I have a ledger nano s and I would buy another one if I needed one.

That's the problem with the lesser-known hardware wallets, i.e., the lack of a track record.  Most of the members who frequent this section of the forum will only recommend the Ledger or Trezor to anyone looking for a hardware wallet, and I definitely understand why.  And OP, I would suggest not buying anything but those two unless you can make absolutely certain another one is secure and that you can recover your coins if the manufacturer goes out of business and/or the device breaks.

I'm not a techie and I would be unable to review any code for these wallets, so when I decided to buy one I relied on the recommendations of people here.  I've been more than happy with my Ledger Nano S, and I suspect if you get any more opinions in this thread, most of them are going to tell you to buy that or the Nano X (or a Trezor).  Good luck.

I've spent time looking for those hardware wallets that you have missed. And I've seen this one[1] on Hardware wallets (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=261.0)

• [1]Hardware Wallet GK8 offering $250000 to hack it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221312.0)

Actually, if I'm about to buy, I'll not choose any new or another kind of wallet. I'll stay to Ledger wallet or probably Trezor with both models.
Currently, I own a Ledger Nano S.

Sticking to the trusted names is always a good idea. We should not be innovative in situation where money is involved. I would always recommend the first two wallets in the list to anyone who is planning to buy. I have been using Tezos for a year now and have not faced any issue with it.

Out of curiosity, why need a long-list of hardware wallets instead of sorting it on a few but much-recommended and popular ones? It might give you a hard time deciding which one if there are lots of options.

Do you have any specific features you might want to see?

The community might help you sort those things out.

While you are at it can you add the price of each? It would make for a nice comparison. Features would be nice too... Or is there a table somewhere with this info already done and updated?

The word "best" depends on what you want. Each wallet has pros and cons. Your identification of these features makes us determine what is the best wallet for you.

There are wallets that you should avoid and thus, without going into details, you have to choose between Ledger Nano Blue, S & X and Trezor One & Model T.

If you want the best in terms of price, you will find that you have to sacrifice high protection in exchange for that, or choose a specific price range, and so on.

Alright, well it looks like the Trezor is off the list;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5222188.0 <- it's just been hacked.

Will drop some merits for those who provided useful suggestions now, thanks guys!


Jesus, I mean I'd love to have that hardware wallet, but I expect that costs north of $3,000.

Trezor has not been "hacked" ... it's just the way it is without a passphrase. Plus, they need physical access to the wallet.

I say, if anyone can get physical access to your person, you're screwed no matter what.

Don't you worry, I know OP knows what he's doing in the search for a hardware wallet and is aware of the known and trusted hardware wallets in the market now.

Hehe.

I'll wait until the bounty ends and maybe this is another wallet to be on the list of owning. But, if it tends to be breakable and this bounty didn't end well, no need to even desire for this or any other wallet.  :P

I will just re-quote your post over there to point out that this 'hack' could happen to other wallets too, so it's not a good reason to strike out Trezor from the list.

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Anyway, answering Harizen questions should give us a better pov to help you. For example, if you just need to store Bitcoin and some top 3 altcoins, Ledger Nano S is probably good enough. If you need to use it as a 'mobile' wallet, then Nano X is a better option if you also look for ease of use.

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Note: I'm a Nano S user since 2 years ago.

The best for me is Nano Ledger and Trezor they have been around for so long and proved their worth.
And they are the most well known hardware wallet to be honest I haven't heard the other hardware wallet maybe since I already trust my hardware wallet and I don't need any other wallet.

Well for me Leger nano and Trezor are the best of all of them, but there is a huge diference between them, at least for me, Trezor is Open source while Ledger is not.

Both are greats but if i need to choose between them i will take Trezor instead of Ledger just because of that point.

I don't think you missed any effective hardware wallet in your list all of them are brilliant especially Ledger and personally it's my first choice in hardware wallets because its use is very easy to understand with simple method that's why mostly crypto community prefer Ledger hardware wallets.

I am a Ledger Nano S owner for years, and a few months ago I bought a Nano X so maybe I'm not too objective when it comes to advising what to buy. Although there are a large number of hardware wallets on the market today, if you are looking for proven devices that have a long-standing reputation, there is no doubt that the choice will be narrowed to Ledger and Trezor.

Considering the vulnerability that is detected in Trezor models, and it concerns physical attack, let's say that this is for some reason enough to opt for another option. If as many as 37 characters long passphrases is required to prevent hacking, it doesn't really look good. On the other hand, it would be really foolish to say that Ledger has 100% secure devices, but at this point, they seem like a logical choice to me.

The main task of hardware wallets is to isolate and protect private keys, or to prevent hacking (remotely or physically), but many people still base their decisions on design, which should not be crucial when it comes to security.

Here's another hardware wallet that isn't mentioned too much, maybe because of the price ::)

https://gray.inc/collections/corazon-wallet

I also use Ledger Nano S and most of my funds are in there. I can now the guarantee that my bitcoins are safe because of its reputable hardware wallet, I do not say that it is fully safe because there are past issues about ledger nano S where the sellers and retailers are able to get the fund of the users. That is why for those who want to buy ledger nano s make sure that you will buy at the legit sellers. I've been using it for more than 2 years and my funds are still safe. Research more if you want to buy and use hardware wallets. The decision is in your hands and you can protect your funds by having knowledge.

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I like the the Nano Ledger S, especially as it has fewer apparent attack vectors than the X.

I also like the Trezor model T.

I have used both of those as well as other HW wallets from each supplier in the past, so I feel that both suppliers are reliable, but order directly from them if possible.  Both of the above have long histories with members here.

To prevent attacks, hide them well.

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The Card Wallet may be of interest, I am thinking of getting one.  It's made in Austria and looks secure:

https://www.cardwallet.com/en/home/

I saw Ledger and Trezor compared and there were some small issues with how ledger is build. Trezor was found to be more secure because it's completely offline and there's no way hos your keys can be compromised. It's not that simple with ledger but it still offers a very high level of security.

You could also use a computer which can have its internet card disconnected. Any device that stores your kyeys offline is 100% secure.

What you talk about applies to every hardware wallet which is being purchased from unauthorized sellers, or if it is a used device. The problem is not that such devices come with an already generated seed, but the fact that those who buy them do not reset the device and make new seed. This is a very simple attempt of fraud, that can easily be avoided.


Ledger and Trezor need to be connected to the internet to be able to send transactions, how would you use wallets like this if they were completely offline? But such devices are designed to never expose private keys, process of sign transaction is always inside hardware wallet.

Nothing is 100% safe, so neither devices that are offline - they are all subject to psychic attacks where an attacker can attempt to extract a private key or seed using some security vulnerability, which is for some time possible with Trezor models if users did not set very strong paraphrase.

Never seen that one before, thanks for contributing.

Definitely looks like something I could be interested in, since it'll make carrying around Bitcoin far more accessible.

+merit for you!

I'm thinking I'll just end up buying a few different ones and comparing them myself. The Ledger Nano S and X do look strong, but the price of the X just isn't justified IMO right now, particularly considering the CoolWallet is way cheaper.

Ledger Nano S and Trezor hardware wallets have become a common choice because it is indeed the best level of security for a portable hardware wallet.
Hardware wallet is not vulnerable to online attacks because the use of this wallet can be offline.
But there is no system that is 100% safe as said by @lucius

I also recommend bitcoin paperwallet that can be easily created at walletgenerator.net (https://walletgenerator.net/)
https://i.postimg.cc/jd1QZ91R/Screenshot-23.jpg
You can create a new wallet with a public key and private key that can be printed on a piece of paper and can be stored offline. The key that is created will be very long and difficult to write manually. Private key is also made with a QR code to make it easier to access it.

Wallet security depends on how the wallet user behaves.
the security of your wallet is your responsibility.

I found Finney, another hardware wallet from the Sirinlabs project. Sirinlabs is one of the top altcoins that has use cases, the Sirinlabs smartphone, and this Finney is a hardware wallet which is available in the Sirin shop! You may find details here, https://shop.sirinlabs.com/?rfsn=2397639.54fdf&utm_source=refersion&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2397639.54fdf

Go for the high end Ledger or Trezor hardware wallets, not the cheapest ones, since hardware wallets is what you asked for there it is, i am better off with mobile wallet and paper wallet, until I start having 7k$ worth of bitcoin maybe i will consider hardware wallet then

I'm using Ledger Nano it is very safe and secure and it is user friendly we can connect to any computer through USB and embeds in OLED display to double check and confirm each transaction with single tab button.

I have not used any other wallet other than Ledger Nano

Here are some list which you have not mentioned in your list.

1. OpenDime
2. Corazon

trezor. have had NO issues with it AT ALL. ive had mine since 2013 or 2014.

however there is a flaw that if you lose the trezor its possible that at some point they can extract the seed (if its found by someone who know what they are doing). but again you have to LOSE it. as long as only you have access youre fine. you can use any browser and you can point it at your own local copy of the blockchain so you dont have to use trezors back end.

the ledger s.. hell no. had problem after problem. they keep changing the software you need to work with it. plus blown firmware updates no thanks, i like stuff that Just Works.



buy directly from satoshi labs (slush) only. NEVER buy a used one.

I can only recommend Ledger or Trezor.  As they have a consistent track record so far. I would never recommend something I have never used.

Jesus, $999. I'm really not sure who their target user is, but $999 is just ridiculous considering you can buy practically all other wallets, plus the Samsung Exodus phone for less than that.


Yeah, I've already played around with both of these, but I just can't take the fact that neither is wireless. Plus as far as I'm aware, the Trezor One is no longer being updated and so doesn't support some newer assets.

Not ideal for me.

Still looking for more suggestions gais!

OpenDime is more like cold storage, or the equivalent of a bitcoin bearer stick. You load it with coins, give the stick to someone else, only they have the private key. Whoever has physical possession of the OpenDime has the private key (or can redeem it any time) by pushing a pin or something on the stick.

It's probably one of the best physical bitcoins right now, please low enough in price that you can have a bunch of them.

For anything above a certain price, I'd rather just get a used or old laptop and do a fresh install of bitcoin core, armory, or electrum and use that as the hardware wallet equivalent. It's not as small or portable or convenient, but you control almost all aspects of the hardware and software.

Any reason why you can't just install Armory on your phone? Pretty sure it offers roughly the same security as a hardware wallet, but also makes it portable since you're wallet is now mobile-based.

Alternatively, take a look at the Cobo wallet, it's relatively cheap and seems to be at least as secure as the Nano S.

https://cobo.com/hardware-wallet

Any hardware wallet becomes a risk of your funds if lost. There's always going to be an exploit somewhere found by someone, so physically losing your hardware wallet makes your seed exposed to potential exploits and flaws be it the best and most secure hardware wallet in the world. If they are fixed through updates, it does not mean there aren't new (or even older ones that haven't been found yet) security vulnerabilities that could be exploited.

So just preserve your hardware wallet in a safe, robbery-proof spot and you'll be fine. I'm very happy with my Nano S, but I have a little bit of doubt lately due to its non-open source nature.

Good point since the mentioned website had serious security vulnerability and personally i'd call it backdoor.

Please read https://medium.com/mycrypto/disclosure-key-generation-vulnerability-found-on-walletgenerator-net-potentially-malicious-3d8936485961 (https://medium.com/mycrypto/disclosure-key-generation-vulnerability-found-on-walletgenerator-net-potentially-malicious-3d8936485961)

I admit this is quite vulnerable and has a backdoor that can be hacked very easily by hackers.
Thank you for giving me an explanation and I just realized about the weaknesses of this wallet generator.
A secure wallet is only a wallet that is made offline and accessed offline, so that there are no gaps that can be accessed to hack the wallet.

I only trust Ledger and Trezor hardware wallets. I heard some rumors there are hardware wallets created to do harm with your laptop by installing a malicious code that sneaks to your other private keys. So beware do not just trust any hardware wallets.

About cardwallet = looks like an expensive paper wallet where a third party generates the private keys for you. I don't care about the security and all that, it's still made by someone else and you'd have to trust them. Also, it looks like they are still using legacy address formats.

So far, the best compromise that does everything you need it is still Electrum. It does all address formats, has extended keys, has seeds, can import private keys, and can act as watch-only wallets to pair with cold storage offline wallet.

What do you really think when you say "neither is wireless"? Do you want a hardware wallet that can be wirelessly connected to your computer/smartphone? I know Nano X has that capability because it has Bluetooth, but you find it too expensive. Maybe it's an opportunity to buy a Nano X + S in this offer Ledger's Valentine's Offer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5222883.0)

Those crypto steel solo and cassette things are nice, but you can do a similar level of protection if you have a fire rated safe. So, it isn't exactly the same thing, but you can plan for it.

Paper can be laminated, or even stored in a folder or envelope, then stuffed in a fireproof pouch and then you put that inside the safe.. The safe would be bolted to the floor or a wall of your house so it doesn't move.

Then you should have a back up, like buried hidden underneath your basement, or in the back yard or something.

Just in case, right?

Ledger wallet and Trezor are the best hardware wallet, I know few new hardware wallets are showing up but none of them are better than these two, not even keepkey hardware wallet, I don't use any of these but I have friends that use them

I use the Trezor One and so far I only have good things to say about it. It is a very effective way to store bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies) and it has a ton of support by the community. The software is simple to install and works with the Chrome browser if you want to go online.

It also looks really cool and fits well inside of my backpack as a sleek portable device. Overall, I would recommend any of the Trezor products as a hardware wallet.

Whoops, I actually thought it was a hardware wallet. Definitely going to be avoiding this then, I'm not into paying $50 for a piece of metal lol.


These do look nice, but that CryptoSteel is like $90, which is just crazy considering what you receive for the money. You can buy a Ledger Nano X for a few bucks more and have so much more functionality, and it's actually more secure than the capsule.

Anybody seen any other new hardware wallets? So far I've ordered a Ledger Nano X and a Trezor One, but want a few more.

Indeed. A ledger nano x is more convenient and more safe as a storage of your funds, but i think it won't be able to survive in strong calamities such as typhoons, earthquake, fire, floods, etc. because crypto steel is very durable that it's material is shockproof, water proof, fire proof and acid resistant, that is why your $90 is still worth it as a hardware wallet.

I don't live in a country where most of those calamities are possible, plus even if it gets destroyed, I'll still have the mnemonic phrase backed up, so I'll be able to recover my funds.

I just don't think I can spend $90 on the cryptosteel when I can just get my private key laser engraved on a sheet of metal for like $5-10 and it will serve the same purpose.

You should delete this post as they need to physically posses the wallet to hack it.

Trezor or nano ledger are only the hardware wallet that I would like to use. Many of my friends are using it to store their bitcoin and altcoins as well. Hoping that someday I could use that also and be helpful in storing my coins. I only use our local wallet here and in my altcoins I am using myetherwallet online, because I dont have money for hardware wallet and it is not yet available in my country.

Why would I delete the post because of that?

The Trezor and other similar wallets like the KeepKey have been compromised by a voltage hack,

As far as I'm concerned that makes them less suitable as hardware wallets, hence why I took it off my list of prospective wallet options.

Particularly since both the Trezor and KeepKey are designed to be portable, this type of hack means you could be robbed and the wallet would be vulnerable. I'm not ok with that at all.

I bought a Ledger Nano X a few months ago. It's nice to use.
When I used "TREZOR-T" I had to use a desktop to control it, It is really Painful to open desktop for several times.
But there is no need to use desktop on Ledger Nano X, now I can do all these things with my mobile app.
Although it's not a touchscreen like "TREZOR-T" but It is fully functional, easy to use and userfriendly.

Engraving on metal would serve the same purpose, but it might not be as portable, and you need the engraving machine. You can not trust someone else to engrave it for you.

As for the cryptosteel, ... yeah, I think the whole point is, it won't melt in a house fire and it looks nice. And you have to open it first before you can see what it says. It is quite expensive tho, I might just make my own version.

You don't actually need an engraving machine. You can buy an engraving pencil for a few bucks, and curve your private key or mnemonic phrase onto any normal piece of metal.

I think the companies that offer these blank pieces of metal with an engraving tool are really catering to an extremely niche audience that have more money than time. That's not me.

Still looking for new hardware wallets not listing in this thread guys. Will drop merit for helpful suggestions.