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I'm curently looking at the speculation of the UK going into lockdown and I'm wondering how Wuhan has managed grocery shopping so far, if things have been in enough supply or if there are aspects we're not hearing but probably should.

The UK and US seem unprepared for a lockdown if nothing is offered in advance (I do buy non-fresh groceries 4 weeks in advance - in case of supply chain issues - but I doubt many people do this). And recently seeing pasta leave the shelves, along with eggs and flour but lashings of dolmio and homepride pasta sauces that stay there, also the tinned food doesn't seem to be going down well... Is it worth preparing for a potential 40 day isolation with enough food to handle it?

Typically speaking, per person I could see this being:
• 10kg of potatoes/6 packets of stuffing (or equivelant)
• 40+ cans of soup/curry/instant noodle stuff
• 5 or 6 cans of veg (peas, carrots, sweetcorn)
• A tub of dried milk (for tea and porridge) - some skimmed milk can make up to 25L from a 400g tub
• 5 kg of oats
• 2.4kg of dried fruit (1.2kg of each fruit)
• 8 loaves of bread (6kg flour, 8 yeast sachets - or a tub, 320ml oil, and traces of salt and sugar)

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I don't imagine anyone having as bland a diet as this but I think it would tide you through for the 40 days with a potential for adding stuff at a later stage, I mean they can't expect you to keep going for much longer than that anyway.

The whole situation is really strange at the moment. I think I posted in another thread about eggs. Sainsbury's in Liphook has sold out completely, but Morrisons in Portsmouth has Happy Eggs ( free range ) on sale for 10 pence for 12. Fresh food is on offer at silly prices late in the day, for example, a large, healthy fennel bulb was for sale at 5 pence - normal price one pound twenty. Tinned sardines, soups and meats are often sold out.

I've found some beds of wild garlic, and I'll grow some of that in a washing up bowl in the van. I've also got a load of potatoes, as they seem to keep for a long time. The healthiest vegetable you can obtain is the stinging nettle, and those are free and abundant in the UK. I'll keep a look out for some road kill pheasant and deer as well.

The only thing you can do is burn the country that has this bad of an epidemic. If Wuhan can't control CV within the near future, should China nuke her?

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They need to do this because I believe in near future we have no good news about this and Media control of China authorities is also strict recently watch few videos those was also not good as now they are searching in houses and effected peoples shifted in outside cities even many families are caught by army peoples just if they feel they are effected.

I'd advise anyone to prepare for more than just 40 days.

Look at Wuhan, then look at Italy. Wuhan has been locked down for +3 months and Italy will be too. China is very well known for hiding real data (especially when bad stuff is going on with their country - they don't want the world to see the bad side of China), so I don't trust at all the current numbers of infections. It's literally impossible to have only a single-digit number of new cases per day when you had over 10k a day weeks ago. Simply illogical.

My advise is to prepare for at least 2 months of supplies. At this point, nobody knows what measures are going to be taken next. Besides that, it's food. As soon as you purchase non-perishable food, you're not going to regret it. Buy food for 3 months and even if the crisis ends after 30 days, you will no more need to buy non-perishable stuff for 2 more months. You're saving time and also preventing food shortage at the same time.

I think the toilet paper hysteria is a stupid move.. but something is interesting: while people were desperately running for toilet paper at my nearby supermarket, food was in stock just as usual. That gave me plenty of time and options to go for when piling up supplies.

Better be ready and "exaggerate" than not be ready and have to go through hunger. You will not regret over-preparing, I can ensure you.

^^^ But think of all the obese people who will become fit and slim if the food runs out!

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Let's all be prepared and pray for what the future might bring. Humanity won't be defeated by viruses. Lets trust our medical experts that one day they'll come up with a cure.

2nd wave already hit the shelves, almost everything's gone...

Also to sustain someone for 120, I worked out, would take 12kg of rice and 12kg of pasta: imagine going to a checkout with that much at once (unless its tesco since they do sell bags that huge)...


The next debate would be where I store something that huge too...

There are a whole big bunch of us that would rather have freedom than lock-down.

Is the country going to get the military out and force us into an essential prison? That's against the Constitution of the USA. And it doesn't do any good, anyway.

People in lock-down need to be fed. And when the food runs out, they need to get out on the farms and grow more food. The lock-down destroys the good it is trying to do.

If somebody wants to be locked down, let him be locked down. The rest of us can continue to operate industry and commerce just the same as always. If a few of us die, death is going to happen anyway. At least in CV freedom, we won't be taking a bunch of military along with us when they try to force us into a lock-down.

Lock-down is ineffective and stupid.

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Put your AR15 down and put your N95 on.  This is a medical issue not a political or economic one.

I would tell you that this is not a medical issue. Martial law is not a medical issue. Martial law is a freedom removal issue.

Your orders tend to slavery... ordering me to put my AR15 down, and put some silly, ineffective mask on. Since you like slavery, you just might obey me. But I won't order you since I don't like slavery. So, what I am really doing is enslaving you to freedom... freedom from my orders, at least. What do you think of that? you slave-maker, you.

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You can try, LOL.  I just finished reloading a fresh batch of .308s.  Blacktips.

We are ready.  Come get some.

BTW, N95s are effective along with safety glasses and latex gloves.

This thing is airborne, protect your mouth, nose, and eyes.  Wear disposable gloves not to contaminate your protective gear.
Disinfect your gear with UVC or soap and 70% alcohol when not in use. 

Stay away from all other smart apes.
   

I'm not going to buy food for more than a month, preparing for two/three months lock-down is like toilet paper panic buying, but with groceries. I know COVID is a pandemic now. Anyway, it isn't the Apocalypse.   

lock-down would be last for around 3-4 months and supplies will decrease for sure necessary commodities should be stored , prices will also increase for up to 10-20% or even more until some relief from major export countries or vaccines this situation will continue

Right! People in lockdown still have to eat. That's why I am looking for somebody to develop franken-Coronavirus-meat, the only food fit for folks who have CV.

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Well they have already started stealing. I'm in KFC, and they no longer put sugar, condiments,hand wipes or serviettes in the customer area. People were just filling their pockets with them. Somebody was caught in the Marks and Spencer loo trying to rip the sanitiser cream dispenser off the wall . It won't be long before we read of housebreakers stealing packs of loo rolls from peoples homes.

McDonalds has added an 8 stage hand washing instruction page over the basins in the loos. It includes illustrations in case customers don't know the parts of their hands like fingers and thumbs.

That is just overreacting and going for the most degrading actions you can go as a human being. I understand when someone rushes in a shop for a little piece of food because they know they don't have anything piled up at home and they need to survive too, but stealing is on a completely different level.

This is when the shittiest of the humans pop up to the surface like oil in the water. Get used to it; I'm pretty convinced these actions will very soon become the new "normality".

In case of a real lockdown there will be no traffic and no roadkill. I've seen how people react to this and the streets are mostly empty, people prefer to stay at home. The roadkill you will find in a state of emergency will be a cat or a hedgehog...

If you really want to survive for a long time, the best things to store are:
dry pasta, rice, cans of any type (veggies, meat, fruit, fish). My wife loves pesto sauce and we have some stored in the pantry. You can easily make a nice and fast meal that will sustain you for half a day, out of a pack of pasta and a jar of pesto sauce. People don't need much to survive, prisoners who were fed bread and water in labour camps would tell you a few things about that.

Regarding Italian lockdown, it's still possible to live. Food stores and chemists are still open for business. You can't get a haircut, go to the dentist, or buy a new car, but you can still buy pasta.

Wow you're in better shape than the UK then! You can't buy pasta here .

Do food shops still deliver? Can you still buy cutlery?

Yes yes, i see you guys are experiencing a little of what we had here for years. Indeed when toilet paper ran out, people started stealing it from anywhere, so then many places stopped putting paper and soap (and to use a public restroom, you'd better bring your own or else...) I remember when my (old) workplace stopped putting toilet paper (because the co-workers were stealing it), and also no more coffee. Get used to carry your own toilet paper in your bag...

Something you probably don't even know, most McDonalds here won't even let people in the restrooms unless they show proof of purchasing something first.

To live in a country sized prison, yes that's exactly what we feel too. Interesting how a little crisis are making you feel things for the first time you would normally never ever have felt in your lifetime. Next you need to experience: a hyperinflation.

This was also felt in the "second world" for decades, but you didn't know because that was censored. Ask any survivors of the eastern bloc and you'll know, ask about the queues, ask about the scarcity, and the black market, the corruption, the impossibility to purchase the simplest things with worthless money, etc.

Feel a bit of what the "third world" is like, but remember when the crisis is over for you, it won't be for us.

40 days sounds extreme for the length of a lockdown.

In a worst-case scenario involving a Chinese type lockdown...

It takes a maximum of 14 days to show symptoms of coronavirus, but most people will start showing symptoms after 2-5 days.

If the lockdown starts on day "1", after a week the military can go door to door to check for symptoms, those that show symptoms can be quarantined, the process takes about a week and is repeated after 14 days. This would mean that no additional spreading would happen after day "1" and all cases would be identified (and the lockdown could be lifted) on day 21.

I believe this is basically what China did in Wuhan. There are some videos on twitter of empty highways, and videos of pretty brutal police actions against Chinese citizens.

I don't know if this is something western (civilized) countries would be willing to do.  It would involve removing ~all freedoms from citizens for three weeks.

Military-style lockdowns work.  The problem is politicians do not have the balls to do them.

Sooner or later they will capitulate and agree to have a global military lockdown.

I suspect they will close the stock markets soon, keep the essential utilities/banking/health care services and food deliveries running as long as they can.

Without strict lockdown, in some projections, half of the global population will be affected.

Failure to understand the exponential function will lead to inaction or late response.