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Hi Guys, it's mocacinno
here's my profile:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=405464
This is the address on my profile: 1MocACiWLM8bYn8pCrYjy6uHq4U3CkxLaa (it's staked in several old posts aswell)

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I am banned for 7 days because i participated in the bitcasino.io TRX giveaway.
I plead guilty (with an explanation), I accept my punishment an will not post with any account outside this thread for 7 days (since i'm allowed to create an alt for the sole purpose to discuss my ban).

I tought about letting the week pass by silently, but i'm having a couple of deals running on this forum, and i receive a couple PM's from time to time, so i wanted to have a small thread so i could shout out to those people to let them know they were not scammed, i did not run, i'm just locked out for 7 days.

The explanation of my infraction is pretty simple: I'm forced to work from home due to Corona, but there is nobody starting new projects, nor are there people breaking or overloading my servers... Bottom line: it's slow at work, I'm pretty bored... So, to kill some time while looking at machines that were idling, I was browsing subforums i don't visit that often, like the altcoin subforums. It's not that i never post in the altcoin subforum, but just not THAT regularly, so i more or less know most of the rules of the subforum, but not that intimate nor how they are enforced.
I was participating in a couple of free raflles to kill the time, and while browsing the altcoin subforum, i noticed a 1000 TRX raffle. In the back of my mind, I was vaguely aware there was a "no on-forum altcoin giveaway" rule, but i tought a raffle did not fall under this category since it was a raffle, not a giveaway (once again; i'm not being that active in the altcoin subforum, i now realise a raffle is an other sort of giveaway, thus falls under said rule).
I participated in the raffle, not realising i did something wrong, stumbling in a subforum i don't frequent that often... The mod did see the raffle as a giveaway, and subsequently i was banned for 7 days.

I know, ignorance is NOT an excuse. I should have known the rules, i should have followed them,... Once again: i'm not looking to get unbanned, i'll take my punishment and won't commit this infraction ever again, the only reason for this post is to give a shout-out to people that want something from me during my ban.

As a favour to me, could somebody post in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226618 linking to this thread, and PM Leviathan.007 with a link to this thread aswell? For now, i have the email address from my other business partners, so i'll notify them by email. I'll try not to keep re-visiting this thread and only post here when i get an email notification of a PM i really need to answer, i've logged out my main account (for the first time in many months), so people know i'm AFK.

EDIT: editted my post after joniboini did me a favour and posted in one of my active threads (upon my request)... I scratched out the request to avoid confusion, and fixed two typo's.   Thanks again joniboini :)   

There have been other people in the same situation as you. Look at mprep's answer here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234398.msg54070971#msg54070971).

Thanks for the link, i did not browse the rest of meta, since i'm not allowed to post outside this very thread anyways... Looks like i'm not the only person receiving a ban...

I've been here long enough to realise rules are rules, and they apply to everyone... That's why i wasn't pleading a moderator to lift my ban, but merely asking if somebody could give a shout out to people whenever i get a PM or a question directed towards my main account but i cannot answer due to the ban.

During my ban, i'll check my throwaway email mocagiveaway@gmx.com on a daily basis.. Anybody wanting something from me can contact me there for the time being...

I've posted on your thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226618.msg54080693#msg54080693.

Thanks, i really appreciate it :)

The signed message is verified > here  (https://jhoenicke.github.io/brainwallet.github.io/#verify?vrAddr=1MocACiWLM8bYn8pCrYjy6uHq4U3CkxLaa&vrMsg=I%20am%20user%20mocacinno%2C%20my%20alt%20account%20is%20mocacinno_ban&vrSig=G8YaQ0inzpLaWoL3tXKVECMSBL4zgBc2ys2IIwBXvS2xALUHu8lYS31HAbdxq4PLBp1apUfdpKxAdn%2Foy70dLQo%3D)

Previously posted address >


I left you neutral feedback on your main account with a link to this thread as reference and on your Alt account. I'll remove them when the ban expires.

I never thought that you might end up on the ban list.. :( You have my support if needed :)
I hope this helps :)

It helps :) I just don't want anybody that deals with me on a day to day basis to think i've ran away... So a message on my trustwall works :)

Yeah, i never tough i'd end up on the banlist aswell, it was just one stupid post in a thread in a subforum i don't visit that often... Apparently it was in "games and rounds", not "altcoins", but still, i should have known better. There's no excuse, i've been around long enough to know that a rule is a rule, and if you don't follow the rule (even if it's just by accident), you'll get banned.

Apparently there even was a big discussion whether or not people deserved to be banned by posting in this thread, but i'm not looking for a big drama thread... If i'm banned for 7 days for one stupid post... So be it... The only thing is that due to the lockdown, i'm actually sitting behind my desk being bored, posting on bitcointalk would have been a welcomed change... I promised myself i wouldn't be refreshing this very topic like a maniac, but still, here i am...

Mprep makes a good and fair point when he says "Rules apply to everyone. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234398.msg54070971#msg54070971)". It's harsh, but it's fair.

Lockdown sucks :(

To be completely honest, I could see myself doing this due to boredom too. Thankfully I didn't see the giveaway thread to start with as I really don't go the altcoin boards to start with LOL. Welp. 6 days to go.

Being stuck at home with nowhere else to go, open Bitcointalk each time and see the same ban message.

Definitely sucks to be them.

That's true, i already indicated this in my earlyer posts. The thing is: i've read his response, and in this response, he hints that it's his interpretation of the spirit of the rules that lead him to ban 41 people (or at least, that's my interpretation of his post  ::)). This makes me believe that what he did, he did with the best intentions, but it's still his interpretation of the spirit of the rules... Somebody else can have a different interpretation, and i see no harm in discussing this ;). Personally, i don't see the net benefit of banning most of the 41 people that were banned. Personally, the odds of me repeating this error are close to 0, but it would also have been close to 0 if mprep pm'ed me saying that i made a mistake and told me to never repeat it instead of banning me for 7 days. It seems most of the people that were banned were longtime members, most in good standing, i believe most of them would have never repeated their misstep if they were just told never to do it again... I'm nagging, i have to stop...

But i digress, i didn't want to start a drama thread, but it seems that out of sheer boredom, i keep re-checking this thread and i feel compelled to answer. Feel free to ignore my posts untill i am unbanned (or however long you want), cause in normal circumstances i wouldn't even drop by in these situations, or just make one post to express my opinion and then leave the thread.


You have no idear... I have maybe 3 or 4 hours "real" work each day during this crisis... The rest of the time i have to monitor partitions and check our teams mailbox (4 or 5 mails/day, but 5 collegues are also looking at the same mails and graphs... You're basically lucky if you are the first one to see a problem/open a mail). Loads of boredom...
I made the error of opening my "normal" account and saw people derailing threads and misquoting/misinterpreting some of my posts... Normally i would have replied them straight away, but now i have to undergo everything, nothing i can do...

Nowhere in the rules says that you cannot report spam with your alt,even if he(you) only has to post in meta.
I really doubt that you end up more banned because you busted some spammers. There you have something to do now if that's not to boring too. :)

Well, the replies aren't really spam to begin with... They're misinterpretations of my words, and people building on those misinterpretations. I'm not going to point out the threads in question, i'd like to make a big reply-post once my ban is done (i actually drafted the reply and i have it in an ascii text, ready to paste as soon as my 7 days are over).

It's just sitting bad with me that these things are happening, my words get twisted, good intetentions get misinterpreted, and i'm sitting here... Reading, grinding my teeth, drafting a message i cannot post for several more days...

I'll probably use my time to test out epochtalk some more, i had https:// blog . mocacinno . com launched before my ban to test epochtalk, now i might have some time to play with it some more...

I decided to end these 7-day bans early. Altcoin giveaways involving incentivized posting are not allowed anywhere on the forum, but certain incentivized-posting games (not altcoin giveaways) are allowed in Games & Rounds. The topic was incorrectly posted in Games & Rounds, possibly causing some understandable confusion among participants.

Thanks bud, good to feel free now.
You are the man.
I did not have any clue but it was just an innocent attempt to join that giveaway. I have seen a lot of users made the same mistake. Most of then either did not have the rule in mind or did not know the rule. In these kind of cases can't we just delete the topic and send a temp ban to the topic creator?

PS: Last few days were extremely boring. :-D

I was well aware of the rule, but I just never knew the thread falls within the same category (with the altcoin giveaway rules), which is the same thing other participants claimed, and I'm sure the topic creator probably isn't any different, I strongly doubt that the creator made the post in Games and Round just to potentially evade the rules, If the creator is to be banned, then so should the participants (maybe for a lesser period as it currently), but they (participants) shouldn't be spared.

What I meant with this is that I am well aware about the rule but at that time I could not identify that this falls under the same rule or I would not risk my account for some alts. I am sure this make sense.

Bitcasno.io is also a long time user in the forum and they also know the rule (I suppose). My personal realization is that we all did not have this in mind when we posted or when Bitcasno.io also created the thread.

This is what I was thinking, in this kind of situations, after trashing the topic the mod can PM the topic creator not to post the same topic again and remind the forum rule. And after that if the topic creator post the same topic again ignoring the PM from mod then give them a ban. This way mod knows that the user was warned clearly and a lot of other user also saves themselves to avoid any ban.

Anyway, I am super happy to be freed and from now on I hope I do not make this mistake again.

What can I say - feels really good to be back - I didnt check the forum for a few days and really noticed this when I just couldnt resist anymore... Thanks for ending the ban early! Last days were tough, I guess I am speaking for all of us who got banned. Another thanks for everybody who expressed their "opinion", positive or negative.

Good for you. I like the choice made by you so much I tossed a few merits at you.  {like you need them  ;D}

Slightly off-topic (but not worth a new thread): would you consider updating the altcoin giveaway rules? I imagine those rules were made when many worthless altcoins were spamming the forum (kinda like the current bounty threads), but if someone is giving away some real value of an established altcoin that can be exchanged for Bitcoin, shouldn't that be allowed?
It's going to be tough to set a minimum, and there's going to be border cases, but the minimum could be for instance worth $50 or 0.01 BTC. There are currently topics (such as this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138787.0)) with thousands of posts for a $250 giveaway. It's in Bitcoin, so it's allowed, but it's clearly a thread nobody is going to read.
So: shouldn't for instance a 40,000 Dogecoin giveaway be allowed too?

Back out of jail, thanks theymos!

The correct decision, you’re a legend  8)

Thanks :)

I, for one, will make sure i'll never post in any form of altcoin giveaway ever again, no matter in wich subforum or which form.

Since you are back to normal, again thanks to theymos, I will remove the neutral feedback I left on both your accounts. Lesson learned even if I wasn't banned and never posted in any giveaway.Good to know that no one is safe :)
Don't forget to lock the topic :)

Thanks, i'll lock the topic now, and retire this account.... :)