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Title: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on April 27, 2020, 03:24:04 PM
Due to all the health related topics in this sub-forum, I decided to post this here.  I own and run the company Immunogenuity (https://www.immunogenuity.com).  I have been a member of this forum since 2013 (Legendary status) and have been an avid user of bitcoin and crypto.  Many of you would probably know me if I used my other account.  I have created this account for usage by the company, and I may in the future reveal my original bitcointalk account.  We will see.

I started researching bio-oxidation years ago and have started a company to help others learn about and use bio-oxidative supplements in their own lives.  I have recently brought my bio-oxidative product, Immunoxy, to market, and I am looking for sales representatives to advertise and sell.  I'm paying in bitcoin or USD.  If you are interested, please feel free to message me.

Here are some of the powers of bio-oxidation:

Immunogenuity - Powers of Bio-Oxidation (https://immunogenuity.com/powers-of-bio-oxidation/)

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"Bio-oxidative supplementation has the ability to oxidize almost any physiologic or pathologic substance, in addition to producing increased tissue and cellular oxygen tensions, which has been shown to provide therapeutic value.  In tests on individuals presenting viral influenza, symptoms and duration was reduced by a factor of eight when using bio-oxidative methods.

It is theorized that bio-oxidative supplementation stimulates the immune system; in particular, via the production of anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal chemicals produced by the leukocytes (white blood cells).  This increased immune response in addition to creating an oxygen rich environment in the body is what potentially causes the restoration of a healthy state.  Almost all viruses and bacteria are anaerobic, which means that they cannot live in an environment with a high level of oxygen.  The idea behind bio-oxidative supplementation is to flood the body with oxygen, which is a highly energetic oxidizer, so that it can oxidize viruses, bacteria, and toxins.  When the additional oxygen destroys them via oxidation, the body can harmlessly rid itself of these problematic invaders.

Bio-oxidative supplementation also reduces inflammation.  Inflammation is caused by a lack of oxygen which causes the body to send extra amounts of fluid to the area of injury or disease.  By increasing the amount of oxygen in your body fluids, the damaged area requires less fluid transfer due to the fact that its oxygen requirements are satisfied by less, more highly oxygenated fluid.  Thus, reducing the need for the body to flood the inflamed area to meet its oxygenation requirement for healing.  It is thought that this method of action regulates the effects of cytokine storms and other auto-immune responses."

I hope everyone is staying safe and healthy.  Let me know if you are interested in bio-oxidation, would like a job, or have any other questions.

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Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: BADecker on April 27, 2020, 04:26:13 PM
It has long been know in certain circles that oxygen cures cancer when introduced in large quantities to the cancer site in the patient's body.

8)


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: hugeblack on April 28, 2020, 09:43:49 AM
I started researching bio-oxidation years ago and have started a company to help others learn about and use bio-oxidative supplements in their own lives.  I have recently brought my bio-oxidative product, Immunoxy, to market, and I am looking for sales representatives to advertise and sell.  I'm paying in bitcoin or USD.  If you are interested, please feel free to message me.
I am not a pharmacist, but you must obtain a license before you can do anything related to buying and selling medicines.
So it is strange that you created an account, claiming that you have a legendary account and do not make any guarantees.
Not to mention some reports that link bio-oxidation with cancer and others. You can read it here ----> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/qua.560220705


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: Immunogenuity on April 28, 2020, 07:04:58 PM
I started researching bio-oxidation years ago and have started a company to help others learn about and use bio-oxidative supplements in their own lives.  I have recently brought my bio-oxidative product, Immunoxy, to market, and I am looking for sales representatives to advertise and sell.  I'm paying in bitcoin or USD.  If you are interested, please feel free to message me.
I am not a pharmacist, but you must obtain a license before you can do anything related to buying and selling medicines.
So it is strange that you created an account, claiming that you have a legendary account and do not make any guarantees.
Not to mention some reports that link bio-oxidation with cancer and others. You can read it here ----> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/qua.560220705

We are not selling a "medicine" and make no claims as to "cures" or "treatments".  We are selling bio-oxidative supplements which fall under a different legal category.

I would advise you to read the following link -> https://immunogenuity.com/cancer-and-bio-oxidation/ (https://immunogenuity.com/cancer-and-bio-oxidation/)


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: stompix on April 28, 2020, 07:13:55 PM
Yeah, brand new "company", with no address no pictures no nothing, a website registered two months ago when the whole virus madness started, no license, no nothing..

Oh, one thing, a tiny disclaimer to keep the police and lawyers away, probably:

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Statements expressed have not been evaluated by the food and drug administration (FDA).  Products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.  Please consult your doctor before using any supplement or healthcare product.

And this one is really cute:
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Ingredients
Proprietary Hydrogen Dioxide Solute suspended in Water

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Almost all viruses and bacteria are anaerobic, which means that they cannot live in an environment with a high level of oxygen.  The idea behind bio-oxidative supplementation is to flood the body with oxygen, which is a highly energetic oxidizer, so that it can oxidize viruses, bacteria, and toxins.  When the additional oxygen destroys them via oxidation, the body can harmlessly rid itself of these problematic invaders.

This is like drinking Goof Off degreaser to lose weight and get rid of excess fat.
I think I heard something like that lately..... ::)

Due to all the health related topics in this sub-forum, I decided to post this here.  I own and run the company Immunogenuity (https://www.immunogenuity.com).  I have been a member of this forum since 2013 (Legendary status) and have been an avid user of bitcoin and crypto.  Many of you would probably know me if I used my other account.

Yeah right, you know you would have been tagged in a matter of days, that's why you're not using your "main" account.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: suchmoon on April 28, 2020, 08:59:13 PM
In tests on individuals presenting viral influenza, symptoms and duration was reduced by a factor of eight when using bio-oxidative methods.

[...]

it can oxidize viruses, bacteria, and toxins.  When the additional oxygen destroys them via oxidation, the body can harmlessly rid itself of these problematic invaders.

We are not selling a "medicine" and make no claims as to "cures" or "treatments".

Really? It actually sounds like you're making very bold claims, bullshit ones, but still. Why else would a hypothetical customer of yours use this bio-oxy-whatever thing if not because of your claims about destroying "viruses, bacteria, and toxins".

This is like drinking Goof Off degreaser to lose weight and get rid of excess fat.

Stop giving them ideas :)


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: Immunogenuity on April 28, 2020, 10:28:07 PM
This is like drinking Goof Off degreaser to lose weight and get rid of excess fat.

Stop giving them ideas :)

If they are so inclined, they are more than welcome to drink Goof Off and let us know what happens.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on April 29, 2020, 01:14:02 PM
We'll start with the quote you shared.

Bio-oxidative supplementation has the ability to oxidize almost any physiologic or pathologic substance
And bleach has the ability to destroy almost any pathological substance. Doesn't mean we should inject it in to our bodies.

in addition to producing increased tissue and cellular oxygen tensions, which has been shown to provide therapeutic value.
Links to peer reviewed, randomized, double blind control studies please. I know you won't because none exist.

In tests on individuals presenting viral influenza, symptoms and duration was reduced by a factor of eight when using bio-oxidative methods.
Links to peer reviewed, randomized, double blind control studies please. I know you won't because none exist.

This increased immune response in addition to creating an oxygen rich environment in the body is what potentially causes the restoration of a healthy state.
Oxygen is a toxin. Creating an "oxygen rich environment" often does more harm than good.

Almost all viruses and bacteria are anaerobic, which means that they cannot live in an environment with a high level of oxygen.
Wrong. Almost all viruses and bacteria are categorically not anaerobic, and the most common infectious organisms seen in humans are not anaerobic either. Further, if the treatment of anaerobic infections was as simple as increasing oxygen levels, then we could just give people oxygen to breath. No need for your sham product.

The idea behind bio-oxidative supplementation is to flood the body with oxygen, which is a highly energetic oxidizer, so that it can oxidize viruses, bacteria, and toxins.
As above, oxygen is a toxin. If it can oxidize microorganisms, it can also oxidize your own cells and DNA.

Bio-oxidative supplementation also reduces inflammation.
Links to peer reviewed, randomized, double blind control studies please. I know you won't because none exist.

Inflammation is caused by a lack of oxygen
No it isn't.

By increasing the amount of oxygen in your body fluids, the damaged area requires less fluid transfer due to the fact that its oxygen requirements are satisfied by less, more highly oxygenated fluid.
Oxygen delivery isn't the rate limiting factor in increased blood flow to sites of inflammation, it's delivery of immune cells and complexes. Further, you can't just "increase" the oxygen content of blood like that. The blood predominantly carries oxygen bound to hemoglobin. Under normal conditions, each 100ml of blood carries around 20.1ml of oxygen bound to fully saturated hemoglobin and only 0.3ml of oxygen dissolved in it. If you "increase the amount of oxygen in your body fluids" (which as sentence makes no sense, but let's just gloss over that), then at best you can change the dissolved component from 0.3ml per 100ml to around 1ml per 100ml, for a total increase of around 3.4%. For comparison, your body could achieve the same increase in oxygen delivery by increasing your heart rate from 70 to 72 bpm. No need to spend money on your scam product.



Now on to your website. Claiming that your nonsense product will treat AIDS, cancer, MS, Parkinson's, with no evidence at all, is downright evil. You are profiting (or at least trying to) from making innocent people suffer. Your product is literally just hydrogen peroxide. I can get 32 oz of that for about $2 from Walmart, and you are charging $50 for 2 oz. That's a 40,000% mark up. Not to mention that drinking hydrogen peroxide can be fatal.

TL;DR - this is a sham, a scam, dangerous, and OP is morally bankrupt.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: stompix on April 29, 2020, 02:17:36 PM
Your product is literally just hydrogen peroxide. I can get 32 oz of that for about $2 from Walmart, and you are charging $50 for 2 oz. That's a 40,000% mark up. Not to mention that drinking hydrogen peroxide can be fatal.

I doubt he is selling hydrogen peroxide, even at low concentration like 3%, he would still get in trouble for selling it without a license and even the 3% can lead to serious cases when combined with certain health conditions, the last thing somebody who already has a trauma on its epiglottis, for example, wants to start is throwing up.

And this because of this:
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Proprietary Hydrogen Dioxide Solute suspended in Water

Hydrogen Dioxide???, I think he is actually trying to sell dihydrogen oxide or dihydrogen monoxide in those bottles ;D :D

Now on to your website. Claiming that your nonsense product will treat AIDS, cancer, MS, Parkinson's, with no evidence at all, is downright evil.

And smallpox... ::)

Stop giving them ideas :)

I'm not POTUS, nobody is listening to me...I hope  :P


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on April 29, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
Hydrogen dioxide is another name for hydrogen peroxide.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: stompix on April 29, 2020, 03:04:31 PM
Hydrogen dioxide is another name for hydrogen peroxide.

Hydrogen peroxide is called sometimes hydrogen dioxide, by mistake!  ;) Intentional or not intentional! But I bet on the first!  ::)
ClO2 is chlorine dioxide, Cl2O2 is chlorine peroxide or dichlorine dioxide.

It might be called...whatever, but labeling such thing and selling it is illegal.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: Immunogenuity on April 29, 2020, 07:38:06 PM
We'll start with the quote you shared.

Bio-oxidative supplementation has the ability to oxidize almost any physiologic or pathologic substance
And bleach has the ability to destroy almost any pathological substance. Doesn't mean we should inject it in to our bodies.

in addition to producing increased tissue and cellular oxygen tensions, which has been shown to provide therapeutic value.
Links to peer reviewed, randomized, double blind control studies please. I know you won't because none exist.

In tests on individuals presenting viral influenza, symptoms and duration was reduced by a factor of eight when using bio-oxidative methods.
Links to peer reviewed, randomized, double blind control studies please. I know you won't because none exist.

This increased immune response in addition to creating an oxygen rich environment in the body is what potentially causes the restoration of a healthy state.
Oxygen is a toxin. Creating an "oxygen rich environment" often does more harm than good.

Almost all viruses and bacteria are anaerobic, which means that they cannot live in an environment with a high level of oxygen.
Wrong. Almost all viruses and bacteria are categorically not anaerobic, and the most common infectious organisms seen in humans are not anaerobic either. Further, if the treatment of anaerobic infections was as simple as increasing oxygen levels, then we could just give people oxygen to breath. No need for your sham product.

The idea behind bio-oxidative supplementation is to flood the body with oxygen, which is a highly energetic oxidizer, so that it can oxidize viruses, bacteria, and toxins.
As above, oxygen is a toxin. If it can oxidize microorganisms, it can also oxidize your own cells and DNA.

Bio-oxidative supplementation also reduces inflammation.
Links to peer reviewed, randomized, double blind control studies please. I know you won't because none exist.

Inflammation is caused by a lack of oxygen
No it isn't.

By increasing the amount of oxygen in your body fluids, the damaged area requires less fluid transfer due to the fact that its oxygen requirements are satisfied by less, more highly oxygenated fluid.
Oxygen delivery isn't the rate limiting factor in increased blood flow to sites of inflammation, it's delivery of immune cells and complexes. Further, you can't just "increase" the oxygen content of blood like that. The blood predominantly carries oxygen bound to hemoglobin. Under normal conditions, each 100ml of blood carries around 20.1ml of oxygen bound to fully saturated hemoglobin and only 0.3ml of oxygen dissolved in it. If you "increase the amount of oxygen in your body fluids" (which as sentence makes no sense, but let's just gloss over that), then at best you can change the dissolved component from 0.3ml per 100ml to around 1ml per 100ml, for a total increase of around 3.4%. For comparison, your body could achieve the same increase in oxygen delivery by increasing your heart rate from 70 to 72 bpm. No need to spend money on your scam product.



Now on to your website. Claiming that your nonsense product will treat AIDS, cancer, MS, Parkinson's, with no evidence at all, is downright evil. You are profiting (or at least trying to) from making innocent people suffer. Your product is literally just hydrogen peroxide. I can get 32 oz of that for about $2 from Walmart, and you are charging $50 for 2 oz. That's a 40,000% mark up. Not to mention that drinking hydrogen peroxide can be fatal.

TL;DR - this is a sham, a scam, dangerous, and OP is morally bankrupt.

You have no idea what you are talking about, but hey, go try to drink hydrogen peroxide from Walmart and see what happens.  It won't be good.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on April 29, 2020, 07:46:28 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about, but hey, go try to drink hydrogen peroxide from Walmart and see what happens.
As I expected. Completely unable to offer even a superficial rebuttal of any of my points or a single shred of evidence.

You are an immoral scammer.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation
Post by: Immunogenuity on April 29, 2020, 08:08:50 PM
We are still hiring qualified people for our entry level sales positions.  Set your own hours and work from home.  Potential for career and income advancement.  I'm paying in USD and BTC.

Join our discord server for more info:  https://discord.gg/fUDrV8n


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on April 29, 2020, 08:46:22 PM
Please tell me what your product is if not "hydrogen dioxide", given that is exactly what it states on your scam website.

Please provide a single piece of evidence for any of the claims you make.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on April 30, 2020, 12:12:15 AM
Please tell me what your product is if not "hydrogen dioxide", given that is exactly what it states on your scam website.

Please provide a single piece of evidence for any of the claims you make.

I am not going to argue with you, but I will urge people not to go buy hydrogen peroxide at their local store and drink it.  You will get very sick if you do so.  Peroxide is a neurotoxin and will cause permanent brain damage.  Do NOT try it.

Unfortunately, you do not know what you are talking about in regards to bio-oxidation and the benefits of it.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Foxpup on April 30, 2020, 03:43:36 AM
Couldn't help but notice this gem on the bottle label (emphasis added):
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ACTIVE INGREDIENTS:
Proprietary hydrogen dioxide solute suspended in water
WARNING!
Concentrated dioxide solution!
Well, which is it? Is it "suspended" (not dissolved?) in water, or is it concentrated? I'm guessing the former, since concentrated hydrogen dioxide is an unstable explosive used mainly as rocket propellant. I strongly advise against drinking rocket fuels other than ethyl alcohol (and even then, I advise against drinking too much of it).


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: suchmoon on April 30, 2020, 04:32:47 AM
I am not going to argue with you

Good, it'd be a waste of time anyway. It's already quite clear that you're full of shit. Speaking of which...

Unfortunately, you do not know what you are talking about in regards to bio-oxidation and the benefits of it.

This sounds like something I have in my compost bin. It's very "bio", oxidized really well, and has benefits but I don't think it cures cancer.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on April 30, 2020, 05:16:52 AM
I am not going to argue with you, but I will urge people not to go buy hydrogen peroxide at their local store and drink it.
I literally never said that, but please keep attacking your imaginary strawman to try to distract from the fact you can't substantiate a single one of your obviously bullshit claims.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: romelitounknown on April 30, 2020, 09:01:50 AM
Not so convincing though, and the fact that you're hiring too with less requirements are so tricky. I think BTT is not the right place to sell your business and so your job hiring.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 01, 2020, 06:17:00 PM
Not so convincing though, and the fact that you're hiring too with less requirements are so tricky. I think BTT is not the right place to sell your business and so your job hiring.

Not looking to sell "my business", just looking to get some quality employees who would like to earn some btc.  Some of the best employees are the ones without degrees or institutionalized "qualifications".  Actual experience on the street beats "qualifications" any day.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 01, 2020, 06:32:00 PM
Actual experience on the street beats "qualifications" any day.
Ahahaha, this says it all. They specifically don't want anyone with any medical or scientific qualifications because they know such a person will immediately see through this pseudo-scientific quackery.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 01, 2020, 07:51:06 PM
Actual experience on the street beats "qualifications" any day.
Ahahaha, this says it all. They specifically don't want anyone with any medical or scientific qualifications because they know such a person will immediately see through this pseudo-scientific quackery.

When the meritocracy died, so did the worth of "degrees" and "qualifications".  Bio-oxidation is not quackery.  Go take your drugs and be a good little boy.  I'm sure you will be healthy then.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 01, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
Bio-oxidation is not quackery.
Prove it.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: BADecker on May 01, 2020, 08:43:18 PM
FEMA is hiring, too. Take your pick.     8)


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 02, 2020, 12:44:39 AM
Bio-oxidation is not quackery.
Prove it.

The research proves it.  I'm sorry that you are so uninformed.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 02, 2020, 04:43:33 AM
The research proves it.
It will be trivially easy for you to share links to the randomized, double blind control studies then.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 02, 2020, 05:30:45 PM
Actual experience on the street beats "qualifications" any day.
Ahahaha, this says it all. They specifically don't want anyone with any medical or scientific qualifications because they know such a person will immediately see through this pseudo-scientific quackery.

On the contrary, I would prefer to hire people with science background because they are better suited to understand the product.

The research proves it.
It will be trivially easy for you to share links to the randomized, double blind control studies then.

I'll release my double-blind placebo studies once the drug companies release theirs for all their vaccines.  There have been numerous studies done on bio-oxidation, and Otto Warburg even received a Noble Prize for his work in the field.

Please refrain from misleading people because you yourself do not understand or are ignorant of the facts.  Do yourself a favor and actually read my website before you jump to conclusions.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Renampun on May 02, 2020, 06:37:13 PM
whether this drug has been proven effective in increasing immunity?...
where I can see testimonials from this cure?  then what is the age limit for using this medicine, can children under 10 years can use it?


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 02, 2020, 06:45:09 PM
I'll release my double-blind placebo studies once the drug companies release theirs for all their vaccines.
So you've got no proof. Got it.

There have been numerous studies done on bio-oxidation, and Otto Warburg even received a Noble Prize for his work in the field.
Numerous studies, yet you can't link a single one. Hilarious.

Do yourself a favor and actually read my website before you jump to conclusions.
I have read your website. It is one of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life.

Otto Warburg categorically did not receive a Noble Prize for anything to do with "bio-oxidation", a term which is not mentioned anywhere in his work, or the medical literature, and is made up pseudo-scientific nonsense. The fact that some cancers (not all) exist in an acidic environment is because they predominantly generate energy through glycolysis, and not via the Krebs cycle. The acidic, low oxygen environment seen in some cancers is a by-product of this process, and not the cause. Changing the environment does absolutely nothing to treat the cancer, and indeed, even in high oxygen environments these cancer cells continue to utilize glycolysis and not oxidation to generate energy.

I write this mainly for the benefit of other people who might be reading this, as I realize you will not understand the majority of the above paragraph. I know you thought that a bitcoin forum would be an easy place to peddle your scam and you wouldn't actually have to defend it, but since it is clear you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about, you should probably just peddle this obvious nonsense elsewhere.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 03, 2020, 01:18:17 AM
I'll release my double-blind placebo studies once the drug companies release theirs for all their vaccines.
So you've got no proof. Got it.

There have been numerous studies done on bio-oxidation, and Otto Warburg even received a Noble Prize for his work in the field.
Numerous studies, yet you can't link a single one. Hilarious.

Do yourself a favor and actually read my website before you jump to conclusions.
I have read your website. It is one of the stupidest things I have ever read in my life.

Otto Warburg categorically did not receive a Noble Prize for anything to do with "bio-oxidation", a term which is not mentioned anywhere in his work, or the medical literature, and is made up pseudo-scientific nonsense. The fact that some cancers (not all) exist in an acidic environment is because they predominantly generate energy through glycolysis, and not via the Krebs cycle. The acidic, low oxygen environment seen in some cancers is a by-product of this process, and not the cause. Changing the environment does absolutely nothing to treat the cancer, and indeed, even in high oxygen environments these cancer cells continue to utilize glycolysis and not oxidation to generate energy.

I write this mainly for the benefit of other people who might be reading this, as I realize you will not understand the majority of the above paragraph. I know you thought that a bitcoin forum would be an easy place to peddle your scam and you wouldn't actually have to defend it, but since it is clear you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about, you should probably just peddle this obvious nonsense elsewhere.

What you are arguing is the standard rebuttal to bio-oxidative treatments put forth by "industry skeptics" with a vested interest to suppress immune boosting supplements.  The chicken or the egg scenario is what you are using to refute it.  Is it the cause or the effect.  No one said that ALL cancers are caused by an acidic environment.  Nice strawman argument.  Most are the result of hypoxia which was clearly demonstrated by Warburg in his many studies and texts on the subject plus research done in later years.  The term "bio-oxidation" has been used by many researchers and scientists after Warburg.  The fact that you are unaware of this is telling that you are uninformed on the subject.

Many doctors in Europe and America have treated cancers with alkaline boosting substances some injected directly into the tumour with great success.  A German doctor even treated the US president Ronald Reagan with bio-oxidation methods with proven results.

It is unfortunate that you resort to smears and name-calling when you cannot back up your claims with hard science and verifiable fact.  You fabricate lies to mislead others and obscure the truth with your personal opinion.  You are either not very intelligent, very misled, or both.  Please refrain from continuing to post in this thread.  You obviously aren't interested in hard science and just want to suppress freedom of expression and science.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 03, 2020, 07:25:59 AM
What you are arguing is the standard rebuttal
Just lol. It's the standard rebuttal because it's based on facts.

The chicken or the egg scenario is what you are using to refute it.  Is it the cause or the effect.
It's the effect. For I think the ninth time, please provide some evidence to support your bullshit.

No one said that ALL cancers are caused by an acidic environment.  Nice strawman argument.
Here is a direct quote from your website:
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all forms of cancer are characterized by two basic conditions: acidosis and hypoxia (lack of oxygen)
You don't even believe your own bullshit.

The term "bio-oxidation" has been used by many researchers and scientists after Warburg.
Then you will have no problems I'm sure producing links to their research. ::)

A German doctor even treated the US president Ronald Reagan with bio-oxidation methods with proven results.
What are you even talking about? Ronald Reagan had a right hemicolectomy to remove his bowel cancer, and several small operations to remove skin cancer from this nose.

Immunoxy is a supplement (not a medicine or cure) which boosts the oxygen level in your body.
Let's assume for a second:

Any of the diseases listed on your website are caused by low oxygen (they aren't)
Giving more oxygen will treat any of those diseases (it won't)
Consuming your product will increase blood levels of oxygen (it won't)
Your product produces dissociates in to oxygen with 100% efficiency (it doesn't)

Even assuming all that bullshit, let's just look at some elementary school math. Your website says to take 10 drops of liquid. 10 drops of liquid is half a milliliter. 0.5 ml of oxygen at best. If you take a deep breath, you take in an additional 2500mls of air on average, for a total of around 500mls of oxygen. So I can get a thousand times more oxygen from taking one deep breath than your bullshit product could deliver.

Please keep arguing though. Your continued ignorance of even the most basic science is making a stronger argument against this scam than I ever could.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 03, 2020, 08:12:57 PM
What you are arguing is the standard rebuttal
Just lol. It's the standard rebuttal because it's based on facts.

The chicken or the egg scenario is what you are using to refute it.  Is it the cause or the effect.
It's the effect. For I think the ninth time, please provide some evidence to support your bullshit.

No one said that ALL cancers are caused by an acidic environment.  Nice strawman argument.
Here is a direct quote from your website:
Quote
all forms of cancer are characterized by two basic conditions: acidosis and hypoxia (lack of oxygen)
You don't even believe your own bullshit.

The term "bio-oxidation" has been used by many researchers and scientists after Warburg.
Then you will have no problems I'm sure producing links to their research. ::)

A German doctor even treated the US president Ronald Reagan with bio-oxidation methods with proven results.
What are you even talking about? Ronald Reagan had a right hemicolectomy to remove his bowel cancer, and several small operations to remove skin cancer from this nose.

Immunoxy is a supplement (not a medicine or cure) which boosts the oxygen level in your body.
Let's assume for a second:

Any of the diseases listed on your website are caused by low oxygen (they aren't)
Giving more oxygen will treat any of those diseases (it won't)
Consuming your product will increase blood levels of oxygen (it won't)
Your product produces dissociates in to oxygen with 100% efficiency (it doesn't)

Even assuming all that bullshit, let's just look at some elementary school math. Your website says to take 10 drops of liquid. 10 drops of liquid is half a milliliter. 0.5 ml of oxygen at best. If you take a deep breath, you take in an additional 2500mls of air on average, for a total of around 500mls of oxygen. So I can get a thousand times more oxygen from taking one deep breath than your bullshit product could deliver.

Please keep arguing though. Your continued ignorance of even the most basic science is making a stronger argument against this scam than I ever could.

You are incorrect on many fronts... You assume that all the oxygen received is derived from the solution taken when in fact the solutions elicits a bio-chemical response which itself creates oxygen in the body.  Therefore, you cannot deduce the amount of oxygen created in the overall system based of the oxygen added via the solution.

You claim that hypoxia is the "result" of the disease when many scientists and researchers would argue with that point.  Several studies have been done, which you could easily find if you were interested, that assert that it is the CAUSE and back it up by in vivo and in vitro tests.  It was the elementary conclusion of this fact which Warburg received his Noble prize.  Your argument is the standard rebuttal by certain industry groups which do not profit off bio-oxidation.

You are unaware of certain procedures that Ronald Reagan underwent.  A German doctor treated him with bio-oxidation methods to reduce his dementia and Alzheimer's.  I never said it was cancer.

Your problem is that you make too many assumptions that are not grounded in fact, and therefore, your conclusions are fallacious.  When you do this, you intentionally or unintentionally mislead others.  If you are not interested in bio-oxidative methods and choose not to accept scientific conclusions then simply refrain from posting in this thread.  The fact of the matter is that many, many researchers, scientists, and doctors believe in the benefits of bio-oxidative because they have seen the results.  I have had several individuals who are doctors and researchers contact me (some from this thread) because they are interested in bio-oxidation and believe in its efficacy.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 03, 2020, 08:34:16 PM
You assume that all the oxygen received is derived from the solution taken when in fact the solutions elicits a bio-chemical response which itself creates oxygen in the body.
Creates oxygen? Lmfao. So your product is not only a miracle cure, but also generates nucleosynthesis, hitherto only seen in the core of stars and supernovae, in your stomach to actually create oxygen. Or maybe it violates the laws of thermodynamics altogether and just "creates" oxygen out of nothing!? Amazing!

Several studies have been done
Several studies. Lots of studies. Plenty of studies. SO MANY STUDIES. Yet you can't name a single one.

A German doctor treated him with bio-oxidation methods to reduce his dementia and Alzheimer's.  I never said it was cancer.
So he received conventional medical treatment for his cancer and was cured, but received your bio-oxidation bullshit for his Alzheimer's, which was listed as a complicating factor in his death. So you agree your bullshit didn't work?

The fact of the matter is that many, many researchers, scientists, and doctors believe in the benefits of bio-oxidative because they have seen the results.
Here you go again. Several researchers. Lots of scientists. SO MANY DOCTORS. And yet, you still can't provide A SINGLE piece of evidence.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 03, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
There are of course some cancers which are not caused by hypoxia and can be attributed to exposure to harmful substances (radiological or otherwise).  The mass majority of the cancers caused by the modern day cancer epidemic is, in our opinion, caused by the state of hypoxia in the body.  Of course, bio-oxidation, is NOT a cure.  They body is a complex organism and everyone has different bio-chemical responses.

I have experienced the benefits of bio-oxidation myself and used Immunoxy on my family members.  I would not be doing that if I was concerned about its safety or if I thought it was not beneficial.  Others have used Immunoxy also, and they have experienced good results.  I would not market and sell something which had unsubstantiated benefits or was no better than a placebo.  There are some who will continue to refute the benefits of bio-oxidation, but I will let the product speak for itself.  There is no greater truth than results.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 03, 2020, 08:43:43 PM
in our opinion
At least you are starting to admit your nonsense is all opinion and zero facts.

There is no greater truth than results.
Agreed, which is why I've asked you thirteen times (?? - I've lost count) to provide evidence of said results. If the results are so overwhelming as you claim, why can't you provide a link to a SINGLE study or trial? Maybe because you're a scammer?


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: suchmoon on May 03, 2020, 08:46:59 PM
"creates" oxygen out of nothing

Forget cancer, call Elon Musk and let him know that his Mars colonization project just got a lot easier.

I have experienced the benefits of bio-oxidation myself and used Immunoxy on my family members.  I would not be doing that if I was concerned about its safety or if I thought it was not beneficial.  Others have used Immunoxy also, and they have experienced good results.  I would not market and sell something which had unsubstantiated benefits or was no better than a placebo.  There are some who will continue to refute the benefits of bio-oxidation, but I will let the product speak for itself.  There is no greater truth than results.

You should offer double money back guarantee then.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 03, 2020, 09:19:30 PM
You assume that all the oxygen received is derived from the solution taken when in fact the solutions elicits a bio-chemical response which itself creates oxygen in the body.
Creates oxygen? Lmfao. So your product is not only a miracle cure, but also generates nucleosynthesis, hitherto only seen in the core of stars and supernovae, in your stomach to actually create oxygen. Or maybe it violates the laws of thermodynamics altogether and just "creates" oxygen out of nothing!? Amazing!

Several studies have been done
Several studies. Lots of studies. Plenty of studies. SO MANY STUDIES. Yet you can't name a single one.

A German doctor treated him with bio-oxidation methods to reduce his dementia and Alzheimer's.  I never said it was cancer.
So he received conventional medical treatment for his cancer and was cured, but received your bio-oxidation bullshit for his Alzheimer's, which was listed as a complicating factor in his death. So you agree your bullshit didn't work?

The fact of the matter is that many, many researchers, scientists, and doctors believe in the benefits of bio-oxidative because they have seen the results.
Here you go again. Several researchers. Lots of scientists. SO MANY DOCTORS. And yet, you still can't provide A SINGLE piece of evidence.

You are woefully misinformed, and intentionally trying to mislead people.  Oxygen can be derived from other chemical reactions in the body brought about by the introduction of other chemicals.  It is possible, but I don't believe you are that ignorant to believe that I am claiming that oxygen is spontaneously synthesized out of the ether.  Additionally, no one claimed that it is a "cure".  It would be disingenuous to claim such because everyone has different bio-chemical reactions to substances.  The body is a complex organism.

Furthermore, I am not inclined to provide you with any studies because you will cherry pick through them and intentionally misrepresent their findings.  If you are so inclined, it is very easy to find such studies yourself especially if you are a researcher and have access to medical studies.

It was worth the government flying in the said German doctor from West Germany to Reagan's California ranch every week to treat him.  This has been recorded and is documented.  The reason it wasn't publicized was because they wanted to keep his dementia and Alzheimer's hidden from the general public.  The West German doctor was only allowed into the country to treat Reagan and no one else due to this fact.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 03, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
in our opinion
At least you are starting to admit your nonsense is all opinion and zero facts.

There is no greater truth than results.
Agreed, which is why I've asked you thirteen times (?? - I've lost count) to provide evidence of said results. If the results are so overwhelming as you claim, why can't you provide a link to a SINGLE study or trial? Maybe because you're a scammer?

Very little in science is hard proven fact.  Almost everything is a hypothesis and an assumption until there is irrefutable evidence supporting it.  Even then, said "facts" have been routinely overturned by new discoveries when they are brought to light.  You seem to be fiercely clinging on to the assumption that hypoxia is the result of disease.  The reality of the situation is that the state of hypoxia creates an underlying condition in the body which allows certain diseases to flourish.  I'm not claiming it is the cause as you are stating.  The cause of course is a foreign pathogen which is able to take root in the compromised host.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: guigui371 on May 03, 2020, 11:28:39 PM
You assume that all the oxygen received is derived from the solution taken when in fact the solutions elicits a bio-chemical response which itself creates oxygen in the body.
Creates oxygen? Lmfao. So your product is not only a miracle cure, but also generates nucleosynthesis, hitherto only seen in the core of stars and supernovae, in your stomach to actually create oxygen. Or maybe it violates the laws of thermodynamics altogether and just "creates" oxygen out of nothing!? Amazing!

@o_e_l_e_o  haven't you heard of the memory of water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory)?

It is very easy, water evaporates, makes young white clouds (clouds are so high up, that their is a lot of oxygen and the water can learn everything about it), later, when the clouds  have learned evrything, they become blacks, they precipitate into "rain", water falls  (and at the same time is able to double-check what it learned on the way up).
Boom, now you have water that knows how to "create" oxygen, and it will keep that memory.

Put it on a bottle, add some stuff, and magical cure that creates oxygen in the body!
 just to be clear : i'm joking


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 04, 2020, 01:07:30 AM
You assume that all the oxygen received is derived from the solution taken when in fact the solutions elicits a bio-chemical response which itself creates oxygen in the body.
Creates oxygen? Lmfao. So your product is not only a miracle cure, but also generates nucleosynthesis, hitherto only seen in the core of stars and supernovae, in your stomach to actually create oxygen. Or maybe it violates the laws of thermodynamics altogether and just "creates" oxygen out of nothing!? Amazing!

@o_e_l_e_o  haven't you heard of the memory of water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory)?

It is very easy, water evaporates, makes young white clouds (clouds are so high up, that their is a lot of oxygen and the water can learn everything about it), later, when the clouds  have learned evrything, they become blacks, they precipitate into "rain", water falls  (and at the same time is able to double-check what it learned on the way up).
Boom, now you have water that knows how to "create" oxygen, and it will keep that memory.

Put it on a bottle, add some stuff, and magical cure that creates oxygen in the body!
 just to be clear : i'm joking

It is unfortunate that some ridicule and disparage what they do not understand.  It is a simple fact that certain compounds when ingested elicit a bio-chemical reaction from which one of the byproducts is additional free oxygen which was once bonded to another compound residual in the body.

There are two types of people... Those who "think" they have complete comprehension of a subject matter and ridicule anything which they believe is incredulous, and those who "know" that they do not understand everything because the subject matter is so vast.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 04, 2020, 04:37:49 AM
Oxygen can be derived from other chemical reactions in the body brought about by the introduction of other chemicals.
That's not what you said, but I'll let you away with it since you are clearly having to make this up as you go along. Anyway, which reactions specifically is your product involved in? Name them.

Furthermore, I am not inclined to provide you with any studies
You can't provide a single piece of evidence. Loud and clear.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: Immunogenuity on May 04, 2020, 06:07:56 AM
Oxygen can be derived from other chemical reactions in the body brought about by the introduction of other chemicals.
That's not what you said, but I'll let you away with it since you are clearly having to make this up as you go along. Anyway, which reactions specifically is your product involved in? Name them.

Furthermore, I am not inclined to provide you with any studies
You can't provide a single piece of evidence. Loud and clear.

That is exactly what I said.  You need to work on your comprehension.


Title: Re: Immunogenuity - Increase your Immune System with Bio-Oxidation - NOW HIRING!
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 04, 2020, 07:08:22 AM
That is exactly what I said.  You need to work on your comprehension.
Creating something is not the same as releasing something which already exists, but I'm happy to gloss over that since you clearly do not understand scientific terminology.

Please name the reactions involved.