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It seems to me, the virus was almost certainly made in a lab.  See the links at the bottom to Chris Martenson's analysis of the genomic sequences.  (Watch the videos.)

That said, the question remains, why have the Western media and the small circle of involved mainstream scientists (e.g. Daszak, Fauci, etc.) been covering for China and vigorously dismissing any theory that the virus came from a lab?  (For example, ZeroHedge got its Twitter account suspended just for being the first to report some Indian scientists' findings of possible genomic manipulation in the virus' creation.)

(We know that the Western mainstream media are not simple reporters of facts.  They heavily attacked Julian Assange as 'a disgusting person' when the only crime the man had committed was exposing abuses by US politicians and military, exposures that couldn't be challenged on the facts.  They also failed to report that the Swedish women who 'accused Assange of sexual assault' admitted no assault took place.  In fact, why should Julian Assange's WikiLeaks even exist?  If a leaker has explosive material, why wouldn't they go to a 'reputable' established media outlet like the New York Times or Washington Post to get it published?  There can be no doubt in my mind that the mainstream media is key ally of the Western financial-imperial system of alliances.)

There seems to be no reason why these Western entities should, with one voice, cover for China's mistaken or deliberate release of the virus, UNLESS...

The Western establishment has been working with China to develop the virus.  There is much evidence of this (again, see the videos under the links,) including Fauci's sponsorship of 'gain of function' research in past years that explored how to manipulate natural viruses and turn them into...  something like the coronavirus.  (All of this should be a matter of public record.)

As they always say, ask first, who benefits?

The answer is, both China and the West.  They both suffer from the last stages of a financial asset bubble that needs to be deflated before a disorderly bust happens.  This bust would not only result in even more economic pain than today, but also point the blame directly at the modern system, with central-bank-money at its core.  This would endanger the power and prestige of all major political and financial elites of the world.  The virus is a way to deflate the bubble, reset the system by essentially wiping out the debt, but blame the economic pain on something other than the system's design.

Further (circumstantial) evidence of a co-operation includes the fact that, somehow, all major Western countries allowed the virus to spread until it was too late for containment, and had to shut down their economies.   Also, the repo market crisis erupted in September, and the Federal Reserve seemed unable to fix it once and for all.  This suggests something deep in the financial system was already broken beyond repair.  In addition, there was a Canadian lab which had a habit of getting its materials 'stolen' by Chinese (as Canada was not subject to strict post-9/11 controls over US labs.)  Its director suddenly died on a business trip to Kenya during the outbreak in China.

For details:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-are-our-scientists-lying-to-us/
https://www.peakprosperity.com/more-evidence-covid-19-may-not-be-natural/

My fertile mind is also saying a little about this virus possibly leaking unintentionally from a lab and not from actually eating a dish coming from a bat or a pangolin or whatnot. After all, the Chinese have been eating all these kinds of exotic food for a very long time.

Apparently my mind is not as fertile as yours. I don't go as far as saying this is all intentional and as a means for a financial reset. China is fast becoming a superpower. I cannot think of a reason why they have to commit an economic suicide by doing this. You have to take note that Wuhan up to this very day is still recording new infections and still economically suffering from its impacts.

The possibility becomes even more remote if you include the western countries as co-main actors in this grand scheme.

Yes, and there were H5N1 & SARS, plus this kind of outbreak seems to occur every few years. To be fair, outbreaks occurred everywhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
Not sure if the trend will shift to China as the source of new epidemics.

@BobK71
All countries are suffering now, so the MO seems not supporting your argument.

Oh, don't you think this conspiracy theory may be more suitable on Politics and Society board?

That's also my speculation about this virus, according to the article I've read, the virus came from a species of bat called horseshoe bat. They say that there's really no horseshoe bat that you can see in Wuhan but the market there are selling. Maybe, the lab placed a horseshoe bat there just to experiment how the virus can transmit from one person to another.

Until now, China is still refusing about the WHO investigating their labs and researches about it. The virus originated from them so it is too obvious that they are responsible and accountable for this pandemic so they should help other country. Also their economy is not that affected, they still have a stable stock market, the question is HOW?

Maybe all of us who are affected by the virus will experience and financially recovery after this pandemic ends. The government really needs to prioritize its people its economy so that everything will go back to normal and both of that sectors will not have a hard time during the normal days.

I also think like you. The corona virus is thought to be an economic virus and it was born to reset the game. It sounds fictitious, but this is true, Chinese people want to create this pandemic so that the powerful European countries will lose strength and they will be more powerful when their economy comes back. earlier. This is a very dangerous game and if the governments of many countries do not solve well, it can lead to economic crisis.

It's not a small circle. There are lots of non-government scientists from all over the world forming the consensus that it wasn't lab derived.
https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-scientists-think-of-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-lab-rumour
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-scientists-think-the-novel-coronavirus-developed-naturally-not-in-a-chinese-lab/

It's more likely the lab conspiracy theory is being used to channel people's economic anger away from their own governments, as a scapegoat.


None of this justifies economic suicide, especially when a debt deflation collapse did not appear imminent. Debt deflation caused by a pandemic endangers those political and financial elites just the same anyway. Unleashing an uncontrollable pandemic on their own populations just makes the whole affair less predictable.

This is honestly like reptile alien overlord level conspiracy theory. :D

Did it happen?? Certainly no!

Are the debts wiping out from the economy? No!

Are smaller countries like Pakistan or Bangladesh getting more trapped in debt? Yes!

Are all effected countries facing economic crisis and job losses? Yes!

Are the industrial activities suffering from the virus induced lockdown? Yes!

Is black marketing of non-essential goods are on rise? Yes!

Is middle-east suffering from no/less demand of fuel? Yes!

Is there any benefit to any countries either China or the West? - I don't see any!

As someone who has studied the virus itself quite extensively and helped the senior geneticists map out its genome for the production of test kits, I can say that the virus has its own merits for unusual mutations and genes but that in itself isn't sufficient to pin down the virus to underground laboratories in China. For novel viruses, we are expected to see some random fuckery in gene sequences, which SARS-CoV-2 clearly has. There are also some parts wherein the virus appeared to have been inserted with some carefully-concocted gene, but those parts were also seen in some bats carrying different strains of the said coronavirus, which rules that possibility out.

If, and if the virus was really made in the lab, governments should file a case against the laboratory in particularly who engineered it, but even independent, non-government researches funded by private firms are disagreeing to this scenario. Perhaps people are formulating different cases in their heads to favor what they think is happening. Since the economy of the world took an instant hit the moment economic lockdowns and closures were set into place, people quickly rushed to the conclusion that this is an elaborate plan to sabotage the economy and to help the superpowers do an economic reset, which isn't even happening and are even flinging them further into the debt oblivion.


They aren't trying to save China from a pitfall but rather acting logically so as not to cause panic all over the world. The last thing that you want to incite during these hard times are mass gatherings and public outrage pointed towards someone not proven of being guilty. If the Westerners are covering up China, why the hell would Trump release several derogatory remarks to them during the spread of the virus?



This is because there were only little information to work with back in February to early March about the virus and how quickly it spreads. The initial reproduction value of the virus was set at R0>3.0 which was dismissed by several research institutions and placed it to a mediocre R0>0.9 which isn't really a cause for concern for most epidemiological models. This resulted into countries issuing only guidelines for physical distancing and wearing face masks which, of course the citizens gladly disobeyed (the USA is a prime example, heh, spring breaks). Little do they know that this virus will grab them by the pussy (heh) and make things worse than it already is on other countries.

What happened to the US, Spain, Italy and other European countries wasn't an elaborate collaboration to reset the economy by deliberately spreading the virus but rather lack of preparation and their ignorance to the actual numbers re: COVID-19.


Still, this does not explain the collaboration you are mentioning that includes the West and China. Why would they inflict more problems on their already insurmountable financial problems in the first place? Heck, stimulus funds, giving aid to all citizens and frontliners while imposing closure of their country's source of profits for.. an economic reset? That does not pan out and will not work out well, amigo.

There's really a possibility that the virus started at a lab. I have read somewhere before that it actually started at Wuhan lab, not at the market where they sell bats and other animals. And that they don't want to investigate further the origin of the virus. But unlike you, I don't think this would also benefit Western. Cause what I can see is that, it's China who will benefit from it. The epicenter of the virus, changed and that China is flattening the curve. You see, while almost all countries are busy battling with the virus, China can make their own movement.

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I just don't see that Western will benefit from it since they are greatly affected by the virus. This is affecting its economy badly. And I don't see it's their way to remove all the debts. The more cases will occur in the Western, the harder for them to get back what the economy has lost during the lockdown. It's much harder to believe that China was able to stabilize the spread of the virus in their country only after spreading it across the world.

Well, I don't really know much. And I don't have enough proof to support this, but if this speculation is real, then it's China who's benefitting the most.

As far as I understand, all of us will face changes soon. This will not begin immediately, but gradually (in the next 5-10 years). Changes will be in all areas. Authorities, countries, money and more. I think it will be very inconsistent, but in any case, it will lead to a better future. And it's not a coronovirus, because coronovirus is just the tip of the iceberg.
Most likely, 99% of people will not understand me now, but the most important thing, in my opinion, what you need to understand is that if you are on the good side, then everything will be fine for you.

This same Doctor with loads of credentials has also mentioned the link between 5G Networks and the gradual breaking down of people's immune systems from this technology and the mere mention of Covid-19 and 5G Networks got his videos banned on Youtube. He is also pointing fingers to Bill Gates and the US government "outsourcing" the Corona virus research to China.

I am not really into all these conspiracy theories, but someone with his qualifications and his military background makes me curious to know why he would put everything on the line to make such controversial statements.  ???

My question is also why a virus like this was first detected in close proximity to a lab that experimented with the Corona virus and if this was intentionally done to use "Wet markets" as an excuse to test the virus in the public.  :o

Also, if you need exotic wild life like bats and Pangolins for your research, without having to order them and creating a paper trail, then a "Wet market" in close proximity, would be a excellent choice for a location.. right.  ::)

They might have researched this technology to use in other countries, but it might have backfired and it was accidentally released in their own backyard.  >:(

There is a lot of knowledge about this coronavirus but we have difficulty in proving it starting from conspiracy theories, intelligence analyst analysis to mystical issues.

I am of the opinion that what controls and creates the current system is very powerful, gripping, and maintaining its hegemony to preserve wealth and show who is actually in power.

Once upon a time, we extracted our gold after it was made dependent on the dollar and then made addicted to crude oil. Now the world will change its pendulum, which is a world of technology, algorithms, robots, AI by minimizing the role of humans. Lockdown is considered as one way to stop the spread of corona as an exercise or simulation of world conditions in the industrial revolution 4.0.

There are no eternal friends and foes, only eternal interests. Each party has an agenda and hitches a ride in this corona pandemic. Starting from the world financial institutions to widen its debt net, the election contestants in the United States with their respective sponsors behind them, the globalists, the nationalists, China, and even other countries. All have the opportunity to adopt their own policies.

I agree with intelligence observers that the virus was initially spread by Trump with pharmaceutical support with the agenda of weakening China, but WHO informed this to China so that the Chinese government lobbied with global pharmaceuticals with the economic trick of the 7 billion vaccine program. China wants Trump to lose in the second period, because when the ruling Republican Party of China is a strategic partner while the era of the Chinese republic is considered an enemy. Finally, the pharmacy put support in democrats.

Corona is something that is out of control by accident despite its creation by design. Above the country, there is the power of the shadow which is spread throughout the world which incidentally is the group whose wealth is equivalent to 97% of the world's population.

The revolution starts from each individual who moves together, the problem is whether we think that it is necessary to carry out a revolution, or we think, it does not matter the current system as long as we can eat.

There are no clear proof to such accusations yet many conspiracy theory occur. In my own opinion, it is quite indeed a laboratory made virus and china should be sanctioned for it but at some point, some conspiracy also tell us that USA have something to do with the said virus.

Lockdowns are the most ancient methods of combating a pandemic, since the dawn of the human civilizations.
From the ancient world to medieval and modern times, lockdowns were forced whenever a new disease appeared, sometimes in full force with the ending being the death of entire villages not from the disease but from hunger.
It's no test or reptilian plan or anything else, it's the only real defense we have against a virus, since we can't kill them all we need to stop it from multiplying and let it die out on its own, we simply don't have any other mean of protection without risking human lives. And history has thought us one something, that this is the only plan that works.


We're experiencing a new trend, nothing natural happens anymore!
No politician dies in a real car accident, no banker commits real suicide, no fire in a cake shop is accidental, not one explosion in a factory is not part of a sabotage plan. Behind everything there must be a conspiracy, an actress or a singer can't fall off the stairs like normal people do all time, she must have been pushed, a football player can't have a normal accident like hundred do, he must have been drunk or on drugs, behind everything, there is something we "the stupid ones" , "the no tinfoil imbeciles" are not seeing.

As for the country that might benefit from this...I can t find any..not even the Vatican, Palestine, or Sealand.

Remember the stupid conspiracy when the pandemic hit Iran?
It was clearly the US behind this as it hit China and Iran when it spread to the US killing thousands everybody forgot about that "masterplan".

The whole of this looks like politics. I mean politics of high place, maybe to be called international politics. We can't really understand just yet what it is. Now the city of Wuhan where the virus said to come from in China is having new cases and the city is to start a new tasting again.
China too is also accusing US for certain human immune virus. The whole story looks disjointed. What is really happening to the world

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply.  I hope to address the most common issues raised by multiple people here in a single post, and to address other issues separately.

The most important issue is what I feel to be the assumption by many that the Western elites can't possibly be so evil as to release this virus intentionally.  This is totally understandable, but let us look, for example, at World War I.  The mainstream media is still struggling to explain why the UK and US went into this war.  (In the US the war was so unpopular that the Espionage Act of 1917 had to be created to make it a crime to comment against joining the war.  The 'land of the free' would apparently have to wait.)  Almost a million Britons were killed, and we still don't know what for.  If we ask 'who benefits,' however, we see that the global imperial-financial bubble was moved from Britain to the cheaper, more productive and friendly US as a result of the war, which also put unfriendly Germany out of the running.

Financial busts and economic crises have always occurred in Western history.  It's not a question of if, but when.  (See my post on this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4434156.0).)

Another popular argument seems to be that the Western (and even Chinese) elites can't possibly want the economic pain of the virus.  This is again totally understandable, but doesn't take into account that, at this stage of the 'everything bubble,' there will be pain, no matter what.  Either the asset values crash on their own, or the elites engineer a controlled crash.  To them, the latter is far more preferable.  (This hypothesis of control is also consistent with that the pandemic will drag on and on, and that it started just when the Fed couldn't seem to fix the repo market problem once and for all.)

Another popular theme among the replies seems to be that we should consider that the Trump administration is now going on the attack on China, saying the virus came from a Wuhan lab, though still only saying that the leak was accidental.  To my mind, this turn of events is entirely possible.  Trump often acts as the attack dog for the US establishent (e.g. starting the trade war and killing a top Iranian official.)  That is, he does things that the establishment would like to do but are afraid to.  Trump is now the fall guy for the aggressiveness.  This attack on China could be a sign that the partnership between the Western establishment and China on the virus is falling apart, and each side is implicitly threatening the other side with exposure (as China has done its own whispering that the US started the virus.)  As is often the case, when two thieves co-operate but are caught in the act, each one will blame the other.

Finally, there were a few comments about the science of all this.  I would first ask everyone to watch the videos in my links, rather than read the text.  If you still think Martenson is wrong, then let's talk.  (In the video, for example, he debunks what appears to me to be the most powerful argument so far by scientists against the lab-born theory: the publication of the a truly important virus, very similar to Coronavirus, that was supposedly found 6 years ago and supposedly natural, but only published this year, now that it becomes important to refute conspiracy theories.  He analyzes the virus' genome and shows there has been (clumsy) manipulation to provide a story, by looking at how viruses evolve their differences over time.)

Again, why would the Western media and establishment scientists so aggressively try to dismiss any theory that the virus came from a Chinese lab?  The Western establishment has always wanted to make China look bad.  Why is it protecting China at this point?

Look, we can't possibly know all or even most of the details.  We can guess at some of the major features of the true story.  All I'm saying is, let's keep an open mind.

I have been seeing similar news like this and some people have dismissed this as another conspiracy theory and they are calling it fake. Though there are things that are making me quite confused about this situation. Before now there has been a book that talked about a situation like this happening in the future. So I always feel like people that are saying this was created in a lab are saying it because of those books.

I really don't know what to believe in this situation, if this is really true, then it might be that they already have the cure and pretending that they don't have it yet. Or was it created and got out from the lab by mistake? Whatever it is, I just want this situation to come to an end.

There is no debt default, the only reset is a soft default by failure to repay value and only nominal repayment.   Alot of the debt now is on a short time basis so the holders dont notice or don't care about this value lost, over a large time period it registers as more significant (workers over their career earn less value etc.) but presently the system is being juggled and there is no change to that because of the virus.
   Contraction in GDP and expanding or continuing as were previously to enlarge the monetary base is going to mean less value in the debt per unit but since the amount owed is rising so fast its not to anyones benefit.

The most likely reason for the virus is stupidity, to release and expect anything in somebody's favour is not likely.   Was it a biological weapon is a maybe but I would guess not at this point as there are more immediate ways to damage a troop encampment then a virus which kills single figure %.   This isn't a warfare agent by my reckoning, its only having a wider economic effect in an attempt to reduce deaths.

I've no doubts the debt situation will unwind and destroy itself without any help, its a wheel off kilter that needs no help to fall apart.  This is the nature of capitalism now and forever, humans live in a system greater then themselves and that applies biologically, ecologically and even economically.   We can adjust but there is never total control, that part is the delusion society may have shared previously.

Perhaps the situation with the artificial spread of coronavirus is even more global in scope than just the far-reaching plans of the Chinese government. So much effort and money has been spent on combating coronavirus that it undermines the economies of most countries. They say that people under the pretext of compulsory vaccination against coronavirus can enter electronic chips in the future for total control over them. There are other, no less fantastic rumors. The situation is really very strange.

We are likely going to see or hear more by the time the US get back on because they are the watchdog of the world and capable for unraveling it all. I think most analysis is pointing at China to know what happened but again we are still waiting for the fact about it.

I don't know if I buy any of the rest of this argument, but the above statement I completely agree with--and that's why I stopped paying attention to pretty much all news sources a long time ago.  I'm also fairly certain it's not just the Western media that can't be trusted.  That' seem to be a global thing.

Who knows, OP could be right about this strain of coronavirus being manufactured and unleashed upon the world.  It's sad that I've become too apathetic about such things that I don't even care to look at the evidence for and against that theory. 

Wasn't Trump facing impeachment before the outbreak?  I was only partially paying attention to that, but then that story just disappeared from media altogether.

Problem with media is global, yes, not only in western countries. Truth is becoming less and important, as well as to inform people in objective way, sensation and spectacle is something that sell news.
The problem is not all people are able to recgonize fake news or intentionaly created articles.
There a lot of conspiracy theories about this virus but I doubt that we will ever know the truth and if, how and where it was manufactured or not.
Personaly, I would like that humanity think on that virus as a message from nature that is still more powerful than human kind who should finaly stop destroying it.

I always love it whenever someone comes up and says "THIS WAS A MAN-MADE VIRUS". There are literally only two things in my mind when I face something like this. First of all even if it was man made, what would anyone gain from spreading it? Literally if millions die all over the world, who gains what?

China lost apple, their biggest customer to India, and probably losing jobs by hundreds every single day right now, the economical crisis that they are having will be bigger than any in history, USA has thousands of people dying every single day and impending economical crash, Italy is brink of death situation, basically EVERYONE is having a trouble, NOBODY gained anything, so why would anyone want to spread a virus that helps NOBODY.

Secondly, even if there was, how does this help us? Like lets say someone made a virus and spread it for their own gain, PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING, how could you not see the real issue here, even if you are right, IT IS NOT A SOLUTION, we do not have a cure, we do not have a result, why would we care how it happened when we can't even stop it to begin with, first we gotta start not dying before we start discussing politics.

the crisis might cause defaults in smaller/weaker countries, but i remain unconvinced that it will actually end the debt bubble in the USA and china. there are certainly no signs of that yet. on that basis alone (weak motive) i would really have to question kooky conspiracy theories like these.

in fact, despite all the monetary stimulus, the crisis seems to be reinforcing the USD's role as "safe haven" reserve currency: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-05-12/u-s-dollar-to-be-broadly-stronger-td-securities-s-kotecha-video


he was impeached by the house but acquitted by the senate in february. one might argue that the media focus on the senate trial (and quite probably trump's own focus on it) took away from any sense of urgency around the coronavirus at the time. when the outbreak exploded, it quickly became yesterday's news.

It dont matter where it come from. Now is here. And we have to take care of it. If some terrorist will launch a nuclear bomb in your city it will be the same. You will have to die or live with it. It will no matter to you who did it. A lot of people live on Earth so a lot things can happen to us all. We should not take any day we live in happiness as granted.

We can go with made up conspiracy theories all day long. ;D
China and the west benefiting from the pandemic?What's the benefit?Global crisis?I don't think so.
The virus is deliberately spread across the world in order to cover the real reason behind the upcoming financial crisis and to be used as an excuse for the crisis?Hell yeah,lets kill hundreds of thousands of people just to hide the cause of a global financial crisis.Sounds absurd to me.
Creating a pandemic just to save the fiat banking system?This is a devious plan created by the free masons,reptiles and the illuminati.I'm 1000% sure about it. ;D

I don' think that crisis will cause defaults because somehow there are things that are affected by this virus that can't be repaired or recovered. We can go back to start again after this pandemic but I guarantee you that it will never be the same for us. There are lives that have been caught by this coronavirus and we can't bring them back and in terms of the economy, I'm pretty sure that the government will have a hard time recovering from this disaster brought by the virus.

The stock market of USA crashes that's why I think their economy will be also damaged, so the USD will become somehow affected. It depends on the government of US if they can recover and retrieve all of their losses due to this pandemic because honestly, they don't have a good leader, Trump is really not a good president.

You really agree with this insane conspiracy theory? Color me surprised. I have heard many of these useless theories, but this one takes the top spot in my opinion.

USA and China are basically at war with each other currently thanks to this virus and op thinks they are working with each other. Hilarious.

He is in a far worse situation now thanks to this virus which is why I don't see him gaining anything from this situation. His involvement in these theories doesn't make any sense at all.

The US is a barometer of the world economy and the economic slowdown in the US will have an impact on the economies of other countries around the world. The contraction in China will also have an impact on other countries. Assuming that if large countries have difficulty controlling the economy during a pandemic, what about developing and poor countries whose economic foundation is fragile and still relies on debt as capital.

American political conditions and also the game of world hegemonic actors behind the ruling party certainly affect the global order. Sometimes we can only observe while asking "where are they being taken or what kind of world is shaped by them?"

The banking crisis has also begun to haunt developing countries due to high loan to deposit ratio and non-performing loans. For export trading companies, pandemic conditions bring good prospects for business if we can take advantage of the moment. Declining demand brought the purchase price down, even though the selling price also fell, but with the strengthening dollar brought extra profit for me.

Individuals currently have little choice but to move the microeconomy to prop up or drive a small turnover. In the present condition, the community only hopes and relies on the government to immediately resolve it. If the resolution drags on, the fear of chaos will increase.

My guts also tells me that is what really happened.

Who gets sickness from eating bats that had been boiled?
No, I don't think so. Even if that is the dirtiest or all the animals in the world.
Once boiled you took out all the germs in it. Plus, there is your stomach who will also help from heating it up and digesting it.
Then you have your own resistance to fight it.
So, where did it really come from?

If there will proofs that this was meant to attack other countries to lose their balance we might see more countries fighting each other.
Is China really hurt about this pandemic with their countrymen or is this just a way to lessen their population?
But this are still speculations. I hope they will find the real answers.

In my opinion it is very clear that the corona virus is not natural from nature, but the corona virus is like a human-made one. There are still many
unsolved mysteries related to corona virus. I also cannot accuse the Chinese state of creating this corona virus, there is no strong evidence related
to this. To be sure this corona virus makes many countries in the world experience an economic crisis. And surprisingly, China's economy is stable,
compared to others. So I can understand why many people accuse China of creating this virus. But actually I do not care who created this corona virus,
for me the corona virus can be found vaccine immediately, so that the spread of the corona virus can be stopped. I also agree that the Corona virus is
making financials around the world like reset from the beginning again. Hopefully financially all countries in the world can rise and return to normal.

To answer many of the new replies, that the economic crisis is so bad and chaotic that our ruling masters can't possibly want it, think of the following:

Let's just say the pandemic economy will be worse and less predictable than a 'normal' financial crash.  (In fact this question probably can't be answered 100%.)  The entire problem is blamed on a virus, not the poor (deliberately poor?) design of the world monetary and financial systems.  People would not be calling for a revolution to reform the entire system from the bottom up, as they almost did after 2008 (and in fact will likely submit to new surveillance.)  This is still a win for the top elites, if not the world, as compared to what a market-driven crash would do.  (You could even argue that the latter would result in more deaths indirectly.)

Like I always say, it's not that the elites want to, but that they have to.

In fact, this is looking more and more like a carefully controlled reset.  For example, the stock market has been bouncing back and forth, and just yesterday the Fed's Powell made a speech that reversed its recent rise.  I'm certain that all fiat-money-based financial asset values will go down eventually, because either that will be the whole point if the virus was intentionally released, or it will be made to happen once the elites realized the virus just gave them an opportunity.  The key is to stabilize the world system by reducing the value of claims on wealth, to be more in line with the value of the wealth itself.

They say necessity is the mother of all invention. Imagine that you personally have a radical agenda you wish to implement. What is the best method of convincing others to accept your proposal?

Well, it just so happens that the best method of convincing the public to accept extreme solutions(see: agendas) is to create an extreme crisis.

The last 100+ years of history are dotted with extreme crisis that were created specifically to push radical agendas. The war on drugs, the war on terrorism, the war on climate change and global warming. All of these events and more were deliberately manufactured. Utilized to push radical agendas, which force people to accept increasingly worse laws, terms and living conditions.

Just look at how the war on drugs, war on terrorism and the war on corona virus have been used as excuses to push state surveillance while eroding protections relating to newly introduced warrantless searches/seizures.

The corona virus is simply the latest in a long line of extreme crisis' manufactured and deployed to convince the public to accept yet another radical agenda, they wouldn't accept under less severe circumstances.

Those are the basics.

Actually, many countries feel like weakening their neighbours by any way possible is for their own benefit.
Russia wants to weaken NATO countries and the EU, North Korea wants to weaken the US and South Korea, China would benefit from weakening Japan and the other way round, Ukraine would benefit greatly from a weakened Russia... I could go on.

I don't really believe in the reptilians and other crazy theories like that, but I believe in the Bilderberg Group, the Masons, and other similar organizations.
They make a lot of sense and there's plenty of proof for their existence. If you had a lot of money, wouldn't you want to realize your own research projects, shape the economy and political balance even if it meant breaking laws and conventions? This is what these groups are all about.

We only accuse China of creating this virus coz they are leading the world, but if the virus originated from country like Scotland, Denmark or Sweden we would not be focusing on what could be the virus is, either man-made or natural. The America have already told the media that the virus was indeed from the nature, there is no scientific evidence that it was genetically arranged nor deliberately created. What we should be looking for now is the vaccine, we should have it as soon as possible so we can get back to our normal lives, although there will be a huge changes.

Leading the world? What? You do realize that the US and Russia are the true superpowers followed by the rest of the world, don't you? China is a powerful force, but they are rightfully being blamed for the current pandemic since they failed to contain it in Wuhan.

I don't buy the conspiracy theories myself, but the Chinese government should be held responsible for this disaster. I am not a Trump fan, but I agree with his stance against the WHO and the Chinese government.

i dunno about that. under your scenario, we are pushing towards wiping out all debt. that's a dream come true for the world's poor and middle classes. it's a nightmare for the elites.


was the 1918 flu manufactured too? there is a big difference between deliberately manufacturing a crisis, and exploiting an existing one in furtherance of power and financial gain. governments and political elites have a long history of the latter.


oh ok, i'm glad we got that cleared up. :)

It seems that it will help much if another central concept is clarified:

What exactly is a financial reset?

We live in a world where the value of claims to wealth (financial assets) is much greater than the value of actual wealth (goods and services,) at today's prices.  The reason why the holders of the claims don't rush to redeem them before they lose value is that the state-bank elites in every country have made it clear that they will use political power and financial muscle to prop up the 'market' value of the claims, one way or another, and have succeeded over the decades.  These are basically the conditions of a bubble.

(That is, many holders of stocks, bonds, and real estate base their decisions on how long they can live on their wealth, by assuming current price levels.  But if they all tried to buy goods and services with their wealth at the same time, there would be no way the prices would stay the same.)

However, this entire propping-up process has many perverse incentives, the instability grows faster and faster, and the bubble can only last so long, in the final analysis.  It doesn't matter how much the elites would have liked it to last forever.  Either by market forces or by engineering, the value of the claims will become much more equal to the value of the goods and services.  This is what I meant by a reset.  After a reset, the system becomes stable, and the elites can go back to their normal (and less stressful) game, until the next crisis.

So, how does a reset work?  Since the root problem is a mismatch of the above two values, either one value comes down, or the other goes up, or a combination:

Default/deflation:  Debt is unpaid, stock market and/or real estate value drops, government pursues austerity, etc.  This brings down the value of financial assets and is economically painful.  People lose business, jobs, and retirement savings.

Devaluation/inflation: The currency is devalued against a reserve currency, and/or gold/silver/Bitcoin, the elites print or borrow more money to flood the economy with, the government rescues businesses and/or individuals with money, etc.  This brings up the prices of goods and services in state money terms.  All debt loses value by inflation.  Rich and old people lose wealth, but the young and able will find jobs.

A reset can be a combination of these two major processes, as I mentioned.  During the Great Depression in the US, many banks failed (deflation), but the government also devalued the dollar against gold, created more dollars, and started the New Deal program of spending money to give people jobs (inflation.)

These are the basic, major components of a reset, but there are others: financial repression, market manipulation (helped by surveillance), making other countries help support your asset values (imperialism,) and economic growth.  The precise nature of a reset is up to the elites and depends on conditions on the ground, and will probably be different every time.  What the elites most desire is control of the process.  What would be the worst thing for them is a disorderly market crash.  So, here is the incentive for creating something like a virus or a war.

Hope this helps clarify my positions on some things, and I'm sorry if I can't reply to every point individually.

What would you think if a virus arose. That had all known symptoms of chickenpox while attacking the human immune system virtually identical to HIV/AIDs. If you were a scientist and needed to guess whether this new virus was naturally occurring or human engineered. What would your conclusion be?

It might help to think about scientists initially treating the new corona virus with anti HIV/AIDs medication due to it attacking the immune system virtually identical to how HIV/AIDs does. I think it would be accurate and fair to say the new corona virus is like a hybrid between SARS and selective portions of HIV. The SARS portion makes the virus airborne and very infectious while attacking the lungs. The HIV portion attacks the immune system for a two pronged assault. Going on basic science alone, when in history have we encountered something like this? People talk about it as if its the same as the 1918 pandemic. It might be fair & accurate to say the new corona virus is in many ways the complete opposite of the 1918 pandemic.

The new corona virus' tendency to attack the immune system leaves patients in a compromised state which makes them more vulnerable to conditions like pneumonia. Which is one of the main reasons why corona is being labeled the cause of death, in circumstances where people die from complications, rather than the virus itself. 100% identical to HIV/AIDs before treatments were developed to contain it. This is a relevent point as we may see the HIV portions of corona naturally breed out of it as time passes -- if it was indeed human engineered.




We have already witnessed the initial phases of a financial reset.

Post 2008 financial crisis, nations like hungary were depleted and left in dire need of capital. They were bailed out by banks who demanded certain political measures be adopted in exchange for loans. Hungary resented the interference, which later led to them kicking banks out of the country after their 2008 stimulus loans had been repaid in full.

Here we see news stories appearing to confirm this:

The George Soros foundation says it is being forced to close its offices in Hungary

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/the-george-soros-foundation-says-it-is-being-forced-to-close-its-offices-in-hungary.html

2008 wasn't the only time circumstances similar to a financial reset have arisen. There are other examples in history we can draw from. If anyone is interested in walking that road. Which I seriously doubt.

There's not much that needs to be said. People will make their choices and there isn't much if anything anyone can do about it.

there's alot mystery about how this virus come from , some said it was created by china and etc , but i agree that this will reset tthe financial of everyone , all chart are down , and we need to survive from this

Of course, all data about the virus is strictly classified. Blaming China for the development of this virus is dangerous. Surprisingly, in China, the peak incidence has long passed. This means that China was ready for such a situation. We will follow the news, perhaps after preventing the epidemiological situation, countries will begin investigations where we learn something new.

Many people stating that having this kind of pandemic outbreak has a good impact too because like in the pollution there is a lot of populated country because of the private and public vehicles after the lockdown implemented there is a lot of news that the air today is more cleaner and also there are some streets become less populated unlike before and also there are a lot of trashes collected but by this kind of outbreak it lessens all of those.


IMO we cannot really blame china because this is part of their norms and believes but even this is already coming from China they made an action immediately so they create a quarantine hospital to deliver all of the patience which is infected. Even they are the one who already got infected mostly they are already recovered and pulling back their GDP to retrieve the whole economy and we are looking at other countries too so they made a cure to stop this virus spreading

How I love posts in the "economy" section that are essentially equal to the "politics and society" section.
"Mommy virus was invented by the Communists in collusion with American capitalists to stop the bull market and blow off steam."
Anyone who has at least basic concepts about the system of economic cycles in particular and about economic theory in principle is able to understand without help from ABOVE that the market in the classical cycle has both ups and downs and crises this is an integral part of it as a way to:
- blow off steam
- remove the uncompetitive
- to make way for "young"
- cause the need for optimization (which many people in a steadily growing market do not care about)
- etc

The theory of artificial creation of the virus is quite real, but there is no way involved "West" and other "Soros and Rockefellers". Just within the framework of this theory - the Chinese security forces under the protectorate of the official government went a little crazy and decided to play "God from the machine" creating a biological weapon "just for fun" but at the same time hard shits. The authorities covered them up but at the same time brought on the entire country as a whole a severe collapse of reputation.

In fact, we will NEVER know whether it is an artificial virus or a real one, simply because no matter how much you would like to see so - called "state capitalism" in China-it is still partly a Communist regime, at least within the consciousness of statesmen.

Do we need to charge China in full for such an event? Definitely. Is it possible to find the root of evil and the real culprits? Only in the case of power crisis in China

I do get what you are trying to say but at the same time it is not a financial reset but actually an economic disaster. The Corona virus in just one country is making more than 25 million people jobless , plus you need to add the amount of people who were already jobless . The poor are suffering the middle class is mentally and financially struggling to get their ends meet . The rich are using up their resources.
Granted - never
Happiness - always , never let the kid in you die. If you are not happy you are not living at all.
It is not just blaming China , unfortunately there are sources suggesting now it grew from there and they did nothing.
They also sushed their own doctor who was trying to tell people about the virus.
They have now United with Russia and asking the US for answers , about why they are blaming them ! See they are making this issue political and soon enough a war might emerge if they keep moving forward like this . Just keep it down till the virus goes away after that you can go all out after each other.

they are testing HIV treatments because they are antivirals, not because the viruses are particularly similar.

HIV causes immunodeficiency. if anything, SARS-CoV-2 does the opposite. the immune response to this coronavirus is commonly too strong and is often the underlying cause of death. this is why some doctors are treating patients with drugs indicated for autoimmune disorders---to stop their immune systems from killing them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/828091467/why-some-covid-19-patients-crash-the-bodys-immune-system-might-be-to-blame

in fact, it's believed the same exact mechanism is what killed so many young/healthy people during the 1918 flu:


viruses are constantly emerging and mutating. without any evidence of lab descent and this vast government conspiracy, occam's razor should apply.

Still there is no clear conclusion about the origin of this virus, countries started to blame one another and let this spread to use as a weapon for their political advantages but the common people are getting affected due to this spread in both economically and emotionally.

Everything happening for a good cause, we can expect the population spike in the next year due to extended lockdown.

OH YEAH BABY! OH YEAH! :D

Why is blaming China in this context exactly dangerous? They rightfully deserve to be blamed since they did not implement appropriate measures to control it. They focused on their own and forgot about the rest of the world which is why everyone are suffering now.

Also, the situation is still pretty bad in China even though they are slowly recovering. They are reporting fake numbers which is why we can't tell for sure how bad the situation is. Their scandal with WHO is another reason why they should be blamed.

If you can find a search engine that stills works. You can find sources which credit the new corona virus with having identical RNA sequences to genetic sequences found in HIV/AIDs.

News sources claim this is due to HIV and the corona virus sharing a common virus ancestor:

https://i.imgur.com/HaDJAYu.jpg

Source:  https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

It all depends on whether someone considers the above explanation to be valid or a pseudoscience attempt at applying political spin.

The new corona virus attacks the immune system virtually identical to HIV/AIDs. I don't think you're disputing this. It also has RNA sequences virtually identical to HIV/AIDs. This is the reason why initially it was treated with anti HIV/AIDs medication. Those span an amazing sequence of "coincidences" for those that believe in coincidence.

You're citing cytokine storms which can be fatal. Immunodeficiency can also be fatal. Both have been exhibited in the new corona virus. And they can both be present simultaneously.

Anyway, we cant have 10 years of bull run. We will see new crisis sooner or later. Corona was just a trigger

considering the report was redacted upon peer review, i wouldn't take it seriously. sharing a common ancestor means very little:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_evolution#Origins


this is incorrect. HIV attacks CD4 cells, a specific type of white blood cell. that leads to an inability to fight off infections. SARS-CoV-2 does nothing like that whatsoever. it primarily infects the pharynx, airways, and lungs and often induces inflammatory responses much more similar to autoimmune diseases than diseases characterized by immunosuppression---literal opposites.


i can't find any reports supporting this idea that the coronavirus causes immunodeficiency. people with compromised immune systems are certainly dying from it, but that would be expected with any deadly pathogen.

You could argue that China benefits even more than the West from a financial reset, because its debt bubble is even bigger.  This is by design of the modern world system.  Countries that use their productivity to support the financial asset values of the core countries are, ironically, even more financially fragile (and politically too, typically, and in this case.)  So, elites in producer countries try even harder to safeguard the status quo than their counterparts in the core countries.  This doesn't work out 100% of the time, but is the design.

There's an entire calculus, field of study, whatever you want to call it, on the international politics, trade and capital flows, and international money, that comprise the true system that governs the world, that is missing from our mainstream education and commentary.  This is as expected, since this is a system of theft and deception by nature (though not mainly through coercion but through addicting various actors via the 'benefits' they receive.)  The closest thing I've come across is something called 'world system analysis' by Columbia professor Immanuel Wallerstein.  Check it out.

It appears that many (if not most) Western scientists have a lot of trouble accessing the genomic data of the Coronavirus that is supposedly published but actually controlled:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-pandemic-two-trailblazing-covid-19-researchers-dead-month

I looked through your links and it seems that the technical information has been refuted by PeakProsperity.com's Chris Martenson.  If I remember correctly, the scientists (and BTW Robert Garry is definitely one of the 'small circle') claim that you can't possibly guess and work out the genomic sequence for the spikes that make the virus bind effectively to the human receptors (supposedly 'ACE2.')  I believe Martenson is saying there are pretty well-known techniques not revealed by the scientists making that argument, such as creating rapid evolution in a lab to select for the best-binding viruses.

Also, it seems none of the 'mainstream scientist' arguments, that I've seen, address what Martenson calls the 'smoking gun,' that is, a 'polybase furin cleavage site' that appears to be an insertion of a four-letter sequence into one of the natural viruses that Coronavirus supposed evolved from (by which the virus gains a key function.)  He is saying it is basically impossible for this to occur naturally.

So, I would suggest that you review the videos in the links presented in my original post, and see what you think.

The data on coronavirus right now is a very serious investigation, in which China brings everything down to the USA, and the USA to China. Let's see if there is any significant evidence from any of the parties who can prove that it was the opponent who created this virus.

The same meaning because corona virus make many industries stop for working and their business down, but have any country want to re open their business during corona virus have been clear, Waiting when my country better and corona virus could stop to restart agan economic crisis.

In the end, both of them will be losers. So it does not matter which among them will benefit more. In terms of debt, I guess the US has a much bigger one compared to China. And also, China has just started to reap the fruits of their labors, so why would they commit a suicide and go back to step one?

Thanks for the recommendation, by the way.

wait what , do you want to restart again the crisis ?  or you mean to say restart the economy again . that maybe  is . because we all wanted this current crisis to end but who wouldnt be ? when this crisis affect our job , hobby ,etc .  

dunno if financial reset is beneficial or not  .  not because it firstly destroy the economic state .  beneficial because this refereshes everything . just like when we refresh our pc and cp  .  which makes them work better after this

Difficult to take too seriously when there's like 160 vaccines in development, with many trials happening in the UK, US, Germany, Canada, Australia, etc. That's why I find this conspiracy theory especially hard to believe. There are many thousands of scientists studying this virus and mapping its genome. If there was compelling evidence of lab origin it would be very difficult to keep under wraps.


I watched the section about that "smoking gun." Didn't seem compelling. He's basically like "since we haven't found a nearly identical relative it must have been man-made." He seems really arrogant in assuming the lack of obvious known lineage implies a lab origin, as if humans have even scratched the surface of coronaviruses. Bats alone are believed to carry thousands of them, let alone intermediate species. Some estimates put the number of unknown viruses affecting mammals and birds at 1.6 million! (https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/ambitious-global-virome-project-could-mark-end-pandemic-era/) Scientists can't even agree about what viruses are, whether they are alive, or what their origin is. It seems very arrogant to definitively say SARS-COV-2 could not appear in nature.

Or maybe this is a story with two main players, namely China and the United States. Or there are powers above these countries that control the world. If China, America, and the whole world are both disadvantaged because of COVID-19 funds. Then there must be those who benefit or at least those who take the opportunity in trouble.

Not talking about conspiracy issues but that the reality of prosperity in this world is not spread fairly and evenly. A group of people has gone down and controls 97% of the world's wealth. It is this group that controls this world and tries to continue to maintain its hegemony and how to perpetuate its wealth forever. If we learn about the history of the FED, and Wallstreet, we will realize that they have for several generations controlled the world's finances. They do not care about the condition of the world what they care about, they are ready with any conditions.

Who would have wanted to start this corona virus and made all the economies shut down because of the continuos spread of corona virus positive cases and took thousands of people's lives? I guess no country would ever wanted this way. So we should stop thinking that this is USA or China way of revenge because the fact that all countries are suffering right now is already a proof.

The truth is all the data regarding the virus are public, all the major countries are struggling and there is no classified information in finding out a vaccine, if you are talking about the data about the number of deaths in China then it is true considering the spread in other countries but other than that everything about the virus is public data.

I think the debate whether the virus comes from the lab is dead end because China don't want to cooperate with this investigation. However, we will know the truth maybe not now, but maybe in the future when a lot of studies and research are dedicated to it. Because right now, the focus is finding the vaccine and a potent medicine to cure the infected. So all the other conspiracy theories will remain as it is for the mean time.

Of course, without strong evidence, no one can throw blames or accuse China or a particular group of people to be responsible for the outbreak of COVID 19. Lots of misconceptions have been drawn since the outbreak but I'm not for the notion that COVID 19 was specifically designed to reset the world's financial status.

Thoughts on the following?:


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Because it has no alternative.  The modern debt bubble, in any country, is not sustainable, by its very nature (ie incentives for members of the elites to do things that will destabilize the system.)  The choice is between an uncontrolled crash and a controlled demolition.

Still, this doesn't fully explain the numerous complaints from colleagues and associates of James Taylor that they can't get to the data.  Are they having hallucinations?

Does it require full access to the virus genome data to develop vaccines?  Or just data fragments and virus samples?  You tell me.


As they say, if it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck...  There are changes in genome that virologists know don't usually come from evolution.  If a species of humans grows a gun at the tip of their fingers, and it just happens these humans can use the gun very effectively to serve a purpose of the powers that be, and we know modern-day labs are capable of making such engineered changes, let's just say, it's at least worth considering that the lab-made hypothesis may be right, regardless of how many thousands of naturally evolved human species may be out there.  There's no need to shout down anyone if the mainstream commentators have the truth as handily as they seem to want to project.  Yet there's plenty of shouting down.  Why?

The gun at the finger is a good analogy of the polybasic furin cleavage site in the genome.

But apart from all that, there's the matter of a (clumsy) attempt at cover up via a virus called RaTG13.  Did you watch that part?  RaTG13 is supposedly a naturally occurring virus that is genetically very close to Coronavirus, that was supposedly discovered in 2013, that was announced only in 2020 when the debate over the origins of Coronavirus heated up.

RaTG13 was supposed to be the star witness that Coronavirus is natural.  Well, it didn't quite work out that way.

First of all, when you discover a virus with these important features, you don't usually keep it unannounced for seven years.  More importantly, an analysis of the genomic differences between Coronovirus and RaTG13, over the last number of weeks of evolution, reveals one is likely a (rather hastily made) copy of the other.  (See the video for details, but the general idea is that the distribution of evolved changes reveals a pattern, rather than being naturally random, that suggests one is a lab copy of the other at some point.)

In short, your key assumption is that things would just go happily as before, if this virus had never made its appearance.

This is certainly the assumption championed implicitly by the mainstream media, economists and politicians.  But is it wise to accept it as given?

No.  Looking through the history of the modern West (say, since 1500,) financial crises, followed by economic crises always happen.  Even at the height of the mighty British Empire, in early to mid-19th century, the center of the system, Britain itself, suffered such a crisis every ten years or so.  Deep systemic crises also visited the US regularly since 1918.  Suffering, often even more serious than today's, would go with each crisis.

Both the centuries of experience and logic say that boom-bust cycles are unavoidable and inherent in the modern system.  (Because of the incentives from the core of the system for members the elites to destabilize the system.)

Do the elites want this suffering of the people?  No.  Is it unavoidable?  Yes.  Is it preferable for them to have a controlled deflation of bubbles than an uncontrolled crash eventually?  Probably yes.

I think we should learn from this century of crisis But when the crisis is over people forget everything. More or less all the countries in the world are in economic crisis later but with the help of other countries they are able to recover but now the whole world is suffering from economic recession together then it will take a long time to solve this economic problem. Will not be able to overcome this crisis easily The biggest problem with the virus is a financial problem The situation is getting worse day by day.

Sorry mate but this is unforgettable mark my word,People will never forget thus Virus and will always be remembered because for sure people will always maintain social distancing and maybe wearing ask constantly .

there you have already mentioned about economic crisis and will take long time before being solved so this is far different from the message above.
well this will take higher and higher until people realizes that they must obey what government trying to impose for their own benefits and for this virus spread may stop and totally gone.

What is your own theory about the appearance of the polybasic furin cleavage site?  (Assuming you had access to the full genomic sequence of the virus?)

Also, what is your theory about the strange results coming out of comparing this virus with RaTG13 vis a vis the distribution of evolutionary changes to the genomes?

Have you considered these questions?  (Please see the videos for details if you have time.)

Yes, some sequence parts are naturally occurring in bats, and some are naturally occurring in pangolins, but to happen to have both of those in the same virus, and for this combo to happen to be key to multiplying the contagion ability, seems quite a co-incidence to me.  In any case, I can't see jumping to the conclusion 'which rules that possibility out,' via the info you present.


We know for sure nothing good will happen to an entity that defies the agenda of the Western political (bipartisan) establishment.  What happened to Edward Snowden and Julian Assange was probably enough of a warning, which was probably made deliberately.  Would you jeopardize the firm you built up all you life by exposing something this big, where you'd probably get drowned out anyway (as Chris Martenson seems to be?)


I think only a (very) small no. of people think this is a plan to sabotage and reset the financial and economic system.

'Which isn't even happening' is premature at this point.  Even something as drastic as the Great Depression took a few years to go from specific-asset collapse, to systemic asset collapse, to severe deflation, to devaluation and reflation.  (From 1929 to 1934.)  A controlled reset would arguably take longer -- slow motion should be the key to control.


This is not at all certain.  If we know anything about the mainstream media, it's that you don't need to be proven guilty beyond doubt, as in a court room, for the media to go after you.  You could easily argue that exposing a possible crime against humanity by China would greatly enhance solidarity among and within 'democracies' and make the task of handling the virus easier.  The Western media has never been easy on China, and this treatment would be a first.


There are often dissenting voices within Western governments.  Even in the heyday of using artificially cheap Chinese currency and 'globalization' to help support US money and debt, there were voices in the US government against Chinese currency manipulation and against the loss of manufacturing.  Those voices amounted to a slap on the wrist and the mainstream agenda prevailed (as you notice today, even the Trump/belligerent-GOP camp are usually careful to say China released the virus accidentally, at least for now.)


Oh, trust me, there was enough information in the US government.  Even Trump's Peter Navarro wrote a memo about the serious threat by the virus in late January (and that was very late BTW...)


If Chris Martenson, who by his own account was only armed with his $100-a-month internet connection, knew by late January that this virus was no joke (asymptomatic transmission, death rates, hospital capacity problems, etc.)  You're saying the US or UK intelligence services were genuinely unaware?  (I would, however, say that it's possible that key people in these services decided not to pass the info to Trump or Johnson, or at least not in a way that would wake them up.  In which case I can assure you there won't be any retribution against those key people.  Heck, Jeffrey Epstein would have got off if he hadn't so addicted to sex!)


As I've said often in replies to other people above, the 'insurmountable financial problems' were the precise reasons for a reset.  The choice was not between pain and no pain.  The choice was between pain due to controlled vs. uncontrolled downturn.


Very few people understand the true nature of the socio-economic-financial system at work.  (And I think this is by design.)

During the centuries of gold/silver standards, financial resets followed asset crashes simply by assertion that the peg against gold/silver must be defended at all cost, since the 'moral honor' of the nation was at stake.  So resets were almost exclusively done by default, deflation and austerity, and the pain was shouldered by the real economy only.  This was as opposed to a reset by inflation, where the pain would have been spread between the financiers, the politicians and the real economy, but the system's reputation would have taken a hit.  (IMO nothing says that the system is rigged and broken more clearly than when long-running 'truths' that currency is worth so much gold or so much purchasing power are broken via devaluation and inflation.)

The Great Depression was the first time that this lop-sided distribution of pain had to be tempered to some extent.  A combination of more universal voting, a strong labor movement, etc. probably made the difference.  A 'New Deal' was created when the dollar was devalued against gold to create more currency and more inflation, and the new money was used to give government jobs to the unemployed.

Today's bailouts of Wall and Main streets are just various incarnations of the New Deal.  Today's populace will simply not quietly endure the full share of the pain.  This has all become part of the plan.  But whatever flavorings are added to the soup, the mainstay of an economic reset will still be economic pain for the majority of the population (and this too has proved to be the case, so far.)

Ultimately, whether it's the Great Depression or today, the work force needs to be re-purposed away from the demands of a bubble-economy towards those of a more stable (and definitely more modest, initially,) economy.  If most people are bailed out so comfortably that they have no incentives to retool and work, the whole economy will disappear, and that, at least so far, has never happened.

I have always had this doubt that the corona virus did not result as a natural occurrence but then even those who have come up with proof to show that it was manipulated in the lab have all had their claims rubbished. The setting around this whole scenario seems like something that was planned to happen. Till the true origin of the virus is made known, there will always be difficulties in handling the eradication of the virus. But in all lets keep our hopes alive.

I searched the PeakProsperity for anything written by him (as opposed to his many users) on 5G and came up empty.  Do you have a link for me?

If I understand you correctly, since YouTube is the objective arbiter of truth,  if YouTube bans someone, that person must be saying BAD things.

Not sure about Bill Gates, but the US government outsourcing corona virus research to China is a matter of public record.


Why does something like WikiLeaks even exist (and we know what happened to the guy who runs it)?  If someone has material that exposes the doings of the US or Western powers that be, why don't they go to a 'reputable' outlet like the New York Times, Washington Post, and at least dozens of outfits like them?  Think.

The existence of WikiLeaks amounts to a proof of a conspiracy among mainstream media entities.  That's why they can't stand Assange.

Yes, you are putting everything on the line.  The reason he does it?  Maybe because what he says is true?  At least that's what I'll believe, until someone, anyone, among the many deniers of 'conspiracy theories,' can give me an example of what he says that tells me otherwise.

Still months away or even a year but many countries have used their year's GDP and budget, this is bad some countries are finding ways to get the economy moving even in this time of pandemic they have no recourse, because they cannot sustain supporting their people they've stopped from going to work, this pandemic will devastate many countries before this nightmare is over.

There are two things that can be learned from the great depression that can be applied now and although it cannot be a solution in the present, it can bring a better future without repeating the economic crisis that might have been designed. Speculative activity and debt are a dynamic duo is the lighter and fuel of all the imbalances and economic problems that exist in the world.

Assuming that human nature is greedy and never satisfied, so the basic values that should be the basic foundation of the economy are not applied. Speculative activities and debt provide space and opportunity for human greed to develop and finally, greed is no longer a bad trait but something common that must be understood.

What you describe here is not a reset but continuing to muddle through as happened over at least the last 11 years.

There is no reset yet, but if my conspiracy theory of a joint China-West deliberate virus release is correct, the reset is the goal and will take place gradually over a number of years.  The whole idea of a controlled bubble deflation rests on slow speed and high level of control to ensure nothing catastrophic happens.  My theory is that this is more preferable to the elites of all countries, than a natural, uncontrollable financial crash which is destined to arrive (or already arrived in the form of the repo market problem in September that refused to go away completely.)


It's actually consistent with my theory that the virus doesn't really kill too many people, but just enough to get people scared and shut down economies.  No?

To release this virus is not in any individual's or group's favor, true.  But you can argue it is in the interest of all humanity (see above or elsewhere for my oft-repeated argument for a controlled financial reset.)  This is basically the same argument that everyone from the President to the janitor having to pay a tax is not in any person's interest, but in the interest of the entire country.


But if you know your wheels are falling off, wouldn't it be a good idea to stop the vehicle and replace the wheels before they fly off at highway speed?

As I wrote above many times, no one person or country gains from the virus, true.  But you can argue the entire world gains in the long run if the world's financial system can be placed on a more stable footing, in a controlled rather than catastrophic fashion.

And I'm sure, even more importantly to the elites, such a reset by virus will not blame the design of their system (money and finance) for the economic problems associated with the reset.


Isn't it precisely because 'people are dying' that we should try to get to the bottom of what/who started this?  If my theory is correct, and if we don't hold the elites accountable, there will be more virus releases in the future.

According to petrol price increase, seeing more and more people returning to work from office and the return of traffic jams - financial reset has been done. But frankly speaking, based on people that are around me, nothing much really changed. So it is more restart than reset.

Govs are going to find a way to live through such hard times, but I am not sure about regular citizens.
I think only attentive to economy people will try to save their funds efficiently, but It seems like such people are minority

To be honest, there is almost no difference at all - from the laboratory or from the fact that someone ate a bat. The only important thing is to make China pay for the fact that it bears the greatest part of the blame for what happened.

Many economists claim that this is just the beginning. We have witnessed a worldwide shutdown through which many businesses went bankrupt, but the ripple effect will continue for a few years. Businesses are connected by a chain. A restaurant will not work like it used to when it had to fire its staff during the pandemic shutdown. Its clients will now come back, taste the food and say that they've been eating there because of the former chef and now it's not the same, so the restaurant will go bankrupt over the next few months, even though it survived the first stage of the pandemic. This is what is understood as the ripple effect.

Well, you should look not just around you but look at the bigger picture. People are kicked out of their places because of their incapability of paying since we have no jobs during the quarantine. Even those with and without houses are having problems as well like food shortage and payment bills, a lot has changed and that started with the shortage of supplies of a country.

It was cleared, probably a month ago that was the genetic origin of the Corona virus is happened to be a natural cause. So it means that there is no one responsible for the virus, just like the MERS-COV and SARS.

I will just agree on this if you are able to provide at least a fact that China did deliberately created the virus to spread across the globe and let the world's economy crippled down. I might be protesting outside the Chinese embassy here if they did so. It's pretty illogical to make pay or hate the country that has seen some health weaknesses such as this one, have you ever said that when MERS-COV is on the run? I think not. No one's to blame after all. We are all get through this, humanity as one.

That is why this restaurant should adopt to situation. Who need a lot of staff during lockdown? If restaurant owner see that taste has changed, less customers visit his place - he need to think about more about his pricing policy. Reduce prices, give some small appetizers as bonuses, make delivery during lockdown. If you cant adopt to situation, there is no place for you in business.

That is why I wrote "restart" - you have "basics" in business, adopt to situation. But restart means stop all and start from the very beginning.


I dont believe that there is no work around. There is always a work, but some people just don't want to earn less and think that low-level work is not for them. Many times I've seen people who earn, lets say $2000/month, wont go to work where they will earn less than $1500. They would better sit on the ass at home and wait for a highly paid position.

I have friends, who have lost their jobs in cosy offices, and now work as a taxi driver, work in moving or placing goods on store shelves. They do not complain and I give all my respect to them.

When this whole story with the virus was just beginning, I thought that if the virus is of artificial origin, then it grew up in the laboratory of the country that will suffer the least. The epidemic is not over yet and it is difficult to draw full conclusions; it is still unknown what will happen after. But for now, it’s obvious that the Chinese were able to quickly orient themselves and take control of the virus.

It seems to be a strong trigger at least

I dont think the virus is the reset itself, pullbacks from natural loss is a given.    Since the beginning of every economy in every country, a failed harvest and other negative events are perfectly natural and regular even.   This is why we save and build spare capacity and even have the market to begin with to trade surplus and demand to the best benefit of both parties and society itself.
   The part that resets is the domination by government in a false market kind of way, the fixed interest rates and other measures which are not market but centralised political measures.  I do see that idea unable to carry on indefinitely so I'm looking for a reduction in dominant features, it doesnt have to be a total reset but big change is my expectation; not really the virus we already knew central banks were off base anyway.

In the middle of the pandemic, there are two camps facing each other in overcoming economic problems, namely through the printing of money instruments or through the issuance of state debt instruments (bonds). Through the issuance of debt securities is a normal instrument taken by a country. Quantitive easing has taken to create inflation so as to prevent the risk of deflation.

The central bank increases the money supply in the market and encourages commercial banks to be willing to disburse loans, both business and consumer, to companies and the public. Usually combined with a decrease in interest rates so that people and companies are encouraged to apply for short-term loans so as to be able to encourage spending and consumption, which means the level of demand or public spending on goods needs is also higher. Due to high demand, production activities are being pushed back to meet these demands.

Thus, the economy began to stretch and move towards the expected stability. QE policy usually instead drags the country into deeper debt gaps. During this pandemic, QE policies were actually expected by the community especially in the form of direct cash benefits. Given the pandemic damage the economic structure.

It will not be so easy. At the moment is still too early to predict how deep consequences will be but it's for sure that every country will have damaged economy in some way. However, I think that China will recover a bit faster and better than US and China and thus remain a step ahead.
However, this is an opportunity for restart, reset and changes in the way how economy and finances are functioning. But I don't think that this is really going to happen and this opportunity will remain unused.

I suggest you read how it all started. China knew about the virus and hide it until it was too late.
For a couple of months, the Red Brother hid the fact of the pandemic - which has now affected millions of people. And Yes, China should be blamed for what happened because of this. Such negligence should not be forgiven.

Even the global elites know they can't control everything.  It could well be that this virus was released and made to defeat containment in all major debt-laden countries (as has happened), but then countries competed freely on who could best deal with the virus.  The American elites thought the US would win this contest, and so did the Chinese of themselves.  At least so far, it just seems to be that China happens to have the upper hand.

It seems to make sense: first you make absolutely sure the virus can't be totally beaten at least for years, and then you let each country do its own style of financial reset within that framework.  No matter what happens, the economic pain will be blamed on the virus.  That is the key.

Another piece of evidence is the Western establishment's brutally effective suppression of what has been discovered to be highly effective, hydroxichloroquine-based (HCQ-based) treatments.

All we hear are bad news about HCQ on Western media, but the following does make you think:

Case Fatality Rates by Country (https://postimg.cc/k2tLq2z2)

This how markets work, crisis like this needs for reset and market cleaning

huh? I've just read a news last month that HCQ isn't approved to use as an emergency drug against covid, clinical trials says its risks when it is used. FDA already revoke the emergency use authorization from HCQ to CQ. And where do you get that data? It seems like the picture was just posted by you, you cropped it out from an unreliable source and posted it here. Not cool.

They just try the use of HCQ since they suspected it to contain the medicine for covid, but it turns out negative as it shows side effects when used.

Covid-19 is from China and is said to be derived from bioweapons and until now there is still no real evidence of where it really came from, it is like a big thorn in the throat that until now has not been remove from the blockage. When else can one achieve justice if all witnesses are getting paid? how can we be free from chest tightness? aside from that why this person needs to kill someone for a financial reset. actually, if we do not interfere with the activities of this person it can produce another virus that is more than coronavirus.

You just said in this sentence that it came from China and what more evidence do you need. It might be impossible to locate the source of the transmitter to humans but calling it a bio weapon is just bullshit. 

Are you talking about the Chinese government ? no one will dare to fight against China as they are financially sound and have nuclear weapons and they are strategically placed. The climate is changing and we are witnessing an evolution of virus and expect more diseases to spread and hope we will learn a good lesson with this pandemic.

Lots of conspiracies had popped out from nowhere about those possibilities but we cant blame out people not to think yet we know that the first case of Covid19 did really happen in Wuhan,China which we therefore conclude that it do really originated on that place and the rest of other things that people do talk about is just pure presumption and theres no solid evidence to that.So its somewhat pointless on thinking on whose gonna be blamed
on the current global crisis we are facing on. Pharmaceuticals are trying out their best to find the cure or the vaccine.When in talks about Financial reset then im not really that much thinking of that thing
and its really hard to believe on.

If the economy will totally collapse then maybe there will be a finacial reset but as long as the government contibue to find a way on how to recover and prevent the economic collapse there will be no financial reset. The govetnment will continue to make a way on how to get funds from different sectors.

This is being worked on and the government will continue to improve the economy of the various sects that have been done from before because if the road is not open then the government budget will run out seeing the current situation of a pandemic.
Including China now has begun to grow in their current economy so one by one the company and business has been running normally so this sector will continue to flow and other governments will take action like this.

The information you list comes from the Western mainstream media.  The biggest news against HCQ was spread by those media recently (about how HCQ has side effects) based on a study published in the Lancet which turned out to use a huge amount of fake data.  The study was retracted by the Lancet.  This is a fact, not conspiracy theory.  Somehow, nobody seems to have heard of the retraction.

There have been other studies not favorable HCQ-based treatment, but a closer look reveals the studies have not been properly designed.  In fact, a few US-government studies in progress today seem to have been designed to fail HCQ.  For details (including links to an overwhelming amount of evidence in favor of HCQ as a very effective treatment, if given as soon as symptoms appear and if used with zinc and/or arithamicyn) see my other threads here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252265.0) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253732.0).

Just like Saddam Hussein stockpiled weapons of mass destruction, or that the economy is on sound footing, when lies are repeated often enough (and with straight-face seriousness in which the Western media excel,) they look like truth.

(BTW, the picture comes from a Twitter user called Gummi Bear.  He's new to me, but judging by his followers, and his and their content, he seems to be a serious deep-diver into the covid medical issues.)

My hypothesis is that it's not one person, but a temporary alliance of China with the top globalists.  This alliance may or may not last.  In the latter case, watch how the West and China will accuse each other of releasing the virus.

Of course, we can't get any direct evidence of such a conspiracy.  We do have a lot of indirect evidence, which is the subject of my threads on this topic.

If the economy collapses on its own, the situation will be less desirable, compared to a controlled reset, from the elites' point of view.  In addition, a controlled reset can blame all the pain on something other than the design of the monetary-financial system (like a virus.)

There is nothing normal or stable about the pre-covid world economy, despite appearances on the surface.  Inequality and instability were reinforcing each other, and each one was getting worse.  The root cause was the design of the money and financial systems, which gave the elites an incentive to use state power to inflate and support asset bubbles, eventually ending up with the pre-covid situation.

(What a reset means, in one way or another, is that total financial asset values will become more equal to the total value of real wealth (goods, services, commodities, etc.) in the world.  This can happen in many possible ways.  Nominal asset values don't even have to come down, if the reset will be inflation-only.  In that case, the values of the financial assets will just carry less purchasing power.  As I mentioned, one way or another, the difference between total asset values and the total prices of real wealth will come much closer to each other.  And this will be a slow, multi-year process, to make sure nothing catastrophic happens.)

Maybe you are right. Chinese people are known to be wise and maybe this virus was intentionally created to destroy the economy of rich and powerful countries, so China will take the crown to rule the world. We all suffered because of this Pandemic and the Cure is still not found, but seems that there is another threat of Pandemic potential disease that discovered in China- the swine flu, similar to H1N1 virus that the experts need to keep eye on.
This is really devastating as we think of all the losses in all aspects and the starving people we saw anywhere. I hope it will be over soon and hope China will pay for us if proven true,creating all this mess and chaos.

Absolute Right China has generally taken such steps to bring everything into its own hands in their own interests you're right it won't last very long but no one will let China rule. Experts are already taking various steps to create the virus the worst affected are the poor who are starving no one can say how long this crisis will last it will not be possible to cure it until the vaccine is available.

This is totally understandable, but there are signs that point otherwise:

- The entire Western media and political class enthusiastically helped China sustain the story that the virus was natural (or at least stayed silent) and attacked any conspiracy theories otherwise.  The Western media and politicians have always used anything negative against China, so why help this time?  It's not a matter of not knowing either, as even Zerohedge had a story in Jan. or Feb. about the virus being analyzed and seeming to be man-made.  (Zerohedge got banned by Twitter for the story!)

- It just 'happens' that all the major debt-laden and financial-bubble infested Western countries failed to contain the virus.  And it's not because it's impossible.  Hong Kong and many Eastern European countries (the latter just 'happen' to have populist, anti-Western governments at the moment) succeeded, despite having land connections to heavily infected countries.  Coincidence?

- Worst of all, an excellent treatment regime, HCQ+, has been systemically killed by a media and political campaign in all these major Western countries.  So, first the West allowed the virus to spread, then it suppressed a great treatment.  It looks almost like these countries want to have covid as an issue.  (And the final and severe blow to HCQ+ was done by a 'study' that is now known to be based on fake data and now retracted by the Lancet magazine.  Who have the power to get the entire Western mainstream media to report the 'study' and then 'miss' the retraction?)

When the virus started, China was hit first and worst, and the West could have contained the virus if they had acted early.  It just seems that, if China was alone in releasing this virus, aiming to harm the West but not itself, it was a strange way to go about it.

Indeed. The vaccine for COVID-19 has not yet created, but there are symptoms of the virus that can be cured, so there is no need for us to worry too much. Also, China can't have a chance to rule everything because they also have affected by the virus. The only difference is that they have stopped their curved of their active cases.

Maybe we are right that china is the mastermind of this covid 19 virus.They maybe planned it and made the virus to destroy the rich countries and it's opponents, for they shall reign and rule over all nations. We know them by their strategies and in making imitations of many different things what matters to them is they earn, no matter what the outcome maybe. But so far we do not have a solid evidence for us to blame them.

If we think that China deliberately or accidentally released a man-made virus, we'd have to answer why the entire Western media and political class basically allowed the virus to spread in the West.

From late January to mid-March, the Western media and politicians, for the most part, simply repeated the misinformation of China and the World Health Organization, without comment.  Valuable time was lost for stopping air travel, developing a testing system, etc.

Somehow, South Korea had enough tools to contain the virus, but no major Western countries did.

Lots of scammy things are happening related to the corona crisis. I am not telling that virus is not real but still there are lots of missing links, unexplainable things.
 1st thing is it tooks lot of time to even detect the virus in china, though it spreaded only one state in china, but all the world got affected by it.
WHO role is so suspectable in the whole case.
The scientist are still on debeat about how the virus spread.
When the news of the virus 1st came then no one took a random sample from the unaffected place to see whether the virus is really new to the globe or not.
Did the idea of lockdown worked at all? Then how Japan control the situation without any lockdown?

 

actually the lack of understanding and arrogance from many countries about the corona pandemic. they considered it trivial and thought it was some kind of common influenza virus.
but when it broke out they couldn't do anything, just understood that so far this pandemic had been very dangerous.
Now that it has happened, the pandemic has spread because there was no early anticipation.

what is needed now is to immediately search for drugs and vaccines so that transmission does not continue to increase, because what is currently being done is to avoid the healthy from the sick so that transmission does not occur. the crucial problem is that now the virus carriers do not have any symptoms so this is very likely a continuous transmission.

It really looks like the truth. It seems to me that the emergence of the coronavirus, the possibility for it to spread, then too tough measures to combat its spread, which led to a sharp decline in economic development and the logical onset of the global economic crisis are links in one chain.
Moreover, they usually try to underestimate the number of infected and the consequences of the spread of the virus, and in this case, the opposite is true. Many doctors in my country claim that they are forced to write that people have died from coronavirus even in cases where they died from other diseases. This means that someone really needs it.

We have the same idea, it seems that the pandemic is their own weapon to destroy the economy of those big countries in the west and China wants to conquer them.

Even at this moment, where people are dying and a lot are suffering due to this virus, they still think about their financial and economic growth.
China declined WHO to inspect their country because Wuhan, China is the origin of the virus and it's very shady.

It's been a while but it is said that Russia already created the vaccine and it might take some time for other countries to accept the vaccine. There are a lot of other countries waiting for it and our country said to be getting the vaccine from Russia this month of September. This will not just a great news for our country but to other countries as well as economy restarts will quickly start.

Thanks for your replies.  It's true that China was definitely involved in releasing the virus.  But was it alone or did it act in (temporary) cooperation with the West?

Rather than going over the same points, I'll just copy what I wrote above:

This is totally understandable, but there are signs that point otherwise:

- The entire Western media and political class enthusiastically helped China sustain the story that the virus was natural (or at least stayed silent) and attacked any conspiracy theories otherwise.  The Western media and politicians have always used anything negative against China, so why help this time?  It's not a matter of not knowing either, as even Zerohedge had a story in Jan. or Feb. about the virus being analyzed and seeming to be man-made.  (Zerohedge got banned by Twitter for the story!)

- It just 'happens' that all the major debt-laden and financial-bubble infested Western countries failed to contain the virus.  And it's not because it's impossible.  Hong Kong and many Eastern European countries (the latter just 'happen' to have populist, anti-Western governments at the moment) succeeded, despite having land connections to heavily infected countries.  Coincidence?

- Worst of all, an excellent treatment regime, HCQ+, has been systemically killed by a media and political campaign in all these major Western countries.  So, first the West allowed the virus to spread, then it suppressed a great treatment.  It looks almost like these countries want to have covid as an issue.  (And the final and severe blow to HCQ+ was done by a 'study' that is now known to be based on fake data and now retracted by the Lancet magazine.  Who have the power to get the entire Western mainstream media to report the 'study' and then 'miss' the retraction?)

When the virus started, China was hit first and worst, and the West could have contained the virus if they had acted early.  It just seems that, if China was alone in releasing this virus, aiming to harm the West but not itself, it was a strange way to go about it.

yes you could say this is as planned no one really knows who or the cause of this virus happened, we can only speculate if this virus is indeed made by a group of Elites then there should be nothing to worry about because maybe they have thought of a way out, the damage caused and other calculations.
if this is really the case then what we need to do is do our best to prevent it from spreading further.

This is likely somehow similar to the movie called "The Purge" but a lowkey one. Instead of killing each other with the permission of the Government, they used virus instead to deny the fact that they are the masterminds of this pandemic. No matter how strong your proof is, if you're against with so many powerful people, there is no chance that the majority of people on earth would believe you.

I also find this pandemic fishy, since China is already building up their structures here in one of our islands in the west Philippine sea which is really alarming. Their tactics is they produce the virus, then they will lend other poor countries money, and when they are in a big debt, they will start to claim that those countries who are indebted to them is theirs (shame on China).

It is really difficult to give accurate information about the virus but everyone needs to get rid of the virus at once. Unless the virus is prevented the world will never be the same again and its transmission may increase. The country's lockdown has been eased but China has been providing much-needed medical care to many countries, despite an increase in the number of infections. If the vaccine is discovered it will be possible to recover the country's economy very soon.

No one is able to clearly identify what is happening on the global market. Some say China is hiding something from the world, and to what extent this is true is unknown. In my view China is playing some game and making it an opportunity to develop their infrastructure.

The doubt over China arise due to the GDP variation with every country. When most of the developing countries experience a negative GDP rate China stands on the top with very minimal deviation in its GDP.

From the simple fact that China managed the pandemic and today it can declare that it is free of the virus. It causes me suspicions but as it is also true that not all the nations of the world have been disciplined to face Covid19 and resume their economies.
Covid19 is creating a second wave, while we are concerned about the virus, China does not have that problem. The internal economic growth in China if it could be a fact but not in the same way of external demand. Let's know more:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/chinas-economy-rebounds-after-steep-slump-u-s-tensions-weak-consumption-raise-challenges/ (https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/chinas-economy-rebounds-after-steep-slump-u-s-tensions-weak-consumption-raise-challenges/)

There are many conspiracy theories that I have read, which shows a man-made coronavirus for financial reset purposes. And from all
the articles I read, many parties conclude that China is the perpetrator, because there are so many coincidences that have happened.
Indeed, there is no strong evidence that China was the perpetrator. But China's economy is now getting stronger, even some Chinese
businessmen have begun to dominate the economies in Europe and America. Another interesting thing is that China looks the most
prepared and the fastest in dealing with the corona virus. But the fact is that the corona virus first spread in China, after which it spread
widely throughout the world.

No, you see, this is precisely the wrong conclusion.  I think the nature of the modern world system is fundamentally pluralistic.  I.E. no group or narrow ideology has nearly enough power to push its policies on the world.  What eventually wins is always a result of alliances, alliances that are changing all the time.  In such a world, truth often has a place in the winning alliance.  At least we have to assume that is the case now.  Over the long term, this was how we went from a Medieval lifestyle to modern conveniences.

Is there a structure to this alliance system where a small minority rule and extract wealth from the majority of the world?  Absolutely.  But the very nature of this system ensures that the elites can never be truly loyal to each other, and that their actions will ultimately be contingent on the truth and what the world knows.

Truth may not have the power to overturn the system or an outcome completely, but if it can change things in some indirect or subtle way a little for the better, it will be a great benefit, given the scope of the problems we're talking about.


What China has been doing, in the big picture, is to study the playbook of the Western imperial system over the last few centuries, and apply it almost verbatim to some countries.  A fundamental part of the program is using debt to addict and enslave poor countries, in order to increase demand for the currency it issues and/or to make countries do its bidding.  In the postwar period, for example, this was the American program for poor countries.  Among the few countries who refused to go with the program (Guatemala, Panama, Iran, etc.) regime change or assassination was eventually found to be necessary.  (See the book 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man' by an insider.)

I doubt the Virus was made in China, China mentioned a US soilder started the infection in news then there were other news stating other reasons.
None the less i think there are more reported Covid-19 cases then there actually are.
Here a family in US were released within a week and marked Covid-19 positive.