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Updated 05-27-2020
As we are now under community quarantine because of this pandemic virus, we tend to play online games to lessen the boredom we feel at our home, so I wanna know your preference on choosing what gamble to play.

There are two types of gambling for me, the skill-based and the chance-based.
1. Skill-based - these are gambling that requires our skills and techniques for us to win, such as playing poker, betting on races, and playing blackjack but the odds of winning are still different for people and it is always in favor of the owner of the gambling.
Poker
Blackjack
Pai Gow
Texas Shootout
Horse Race Betting
Sports Betting
2. Chance-based - these are gambling that you will only wait for the result, you don't need to do something or to think so deep for you to win because all of you have an equal chance of winning such as roulette, lottery, and other gaming machines.
Casino games:

Slot machines
Progressive bonuses
Bingo
Roulette
Sic Bo
Baccarat

Lottery products:
50/50 raffles
Pull-tabs
Scratch’n win tickets
6/49
BC/49
Lotto Max
Keno
Pacific Hold’em
Source: https://www.bcresponsiblegambling.ca/understanding-gambling/types-gambling

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For me, I will choose the skill-based gambling because I am not hoping for the luck of life, I want to take action to make my life great. It is still better to think logically and analytically at any time.

But if you are only a beginner, I think the chance-based gambling would be suitable for you, but do not stick only on that, you should improve yourself, acquire skills and knowledge through experience so you will be able to play skill-based gambling soon.

Well, I really don't have the luck when it comes to gambling, especially when I play dice or slot machines, I always lose when I play chance-based games. So, I am also into playing skill-based, poker is also one of my choices.

Nice thread buddy, skill-based and chance-based are both equal for me, I played on both ways depends on my current mood, if I feel okay and feel fresh I will play skill-based gambling because I can focus and think wisely on betting or gambling, lately, I am lack of sleep because of insomnia so I always feel tired and irritated that is why I often play chance-based gambling because I don't need to think more, I just only need to bet what I want.

But honestly, skill-based is what we should choose in both ways because it is great to use our mind while playing, do not make our thinking passive, always use it.
Lol, there equal odds of winning on a chance-based gambling but whenever I play in chance based gambling I always feel like there is no fair on it because of being lost streak.

Skill-based is kinda difficult for me, especially I am a busy person since if you want to dominate in Skill-based games, you really should need a lot of time to practice and play more to become a skilled player.
I'll go with chance-based gambling since all the players are the same, even how much your fund is or skill is, the chance will still decide.

Skilled-base gambling is having a big chance to win especially when you have knowledge on it but we can't deny also that more people are in Chance-base gambling ( as in your definition)just like a lottery. People will choose Chance-base gambling because they think about luck but that chance is actually bringing them to suffer losses than of winning.

Well, if I've chosen one of them, I actually choose Skilled-base gambling which I can actually use and apply your knowledge and skill. This way, we are not just relying on LUCK but we are also performing to the best thing we can do in order to win.

I still prefer chance-based games, because I don't want think to much about it. Not about I'm always lucky or win streak, I usually get lose streak too and lost all of my money  :D.


You're wrong then, actually we're mostly hoping about luck. Even if you think you're very skillful and experience about skill-based gambling, it doesn't mean you will always win from it.

Ofcourse - (skill-based betting esp).
You'll need to learn skill-based bettings well though before increasing your bet to high amount. I think if the skill-based betting doesnt become a sustainable source of income after trying abit long,  you will need to switch to what works for you.
In regards to luck-based bettings, you only bet little or what you can afford to lose, afterall there is/are "treasures" to be won.

Whichever one we choose to play or bet on, we should play responsibly/safe and try not to gamble. And the games should be good/safe games.

I don't think Blackjack is a skill-based game. I do agree with sportsbetting though, since it's definitely possible to beat the odds if you know what you're talking about.

I have always tended towards skill based games. I used to play competitive counterstrike and would bet on my own matches, and I've also played Poker professionally for over a decade now.

That said, I still play luck-based games from time to time. Mostly dice, crash and hi-lo games, but sometimes I'll also play Minesweeper on Crypto.games or the game on BetKong. I'll usually only bet small amounts on these platforms, since I'm mostly using them as a pastime, rather than looking to strike it rich.

Skill based all day. I would choose it because it's more challenging and I believe if I will continue to gamble and improve my skills, in the future I'll be able to make it as my profession.. Sounds really hard right? of course it is because we know that the chance of success is very dim, but the thing is, IT"S NOT IMPOSSIBLE>...... we can be successful if we will never give up easily.

It's good that you take action to make your life better

But you shouldn't discard how much luck means in our lives and what power it has over our destiny. After all, we owe our very existence to luck. The point is, when there is a lucky moment you shouldn't think twice but catch at the opportunity as soon as it presents itself. Actually, without luck life would be pretty boring, and even if you are endowed with analytical skills above average, that may not suffice to get far in life

Chanced-based was also known for Luck-based.

With the two kinds, you don't actually have to choose with any of them. As long as you know how to play the game that you used to play then you have to adapt it and make your own strategy and decision that will be favorable to you.

As a gambler, we tend to shift from one game to another if we find ourselves not effective with the other one.

I think I will prefer on the skilled base gambling because I really love to play gambling games most of the time is the sports or e-sports game because it is easier to check it out the statistics of the players and the whole team who is the most one to conquer the game also there are a lot of unexpected things happen in these game like a comeback this kind of action gives me chill every time I play gambling because it is more intense and a lot of pressure.

These are the things I visited wage for e-sports gambling
Gosugamers.net (https://www.gosugamers.net/) - this platform gives a lot of information to me most of the time in analysis.

For sports gambling
ESPN (http://www.espn.com/nba/gameleaders) - A lot of news articles what are the recent games and upcoming games.

I consider myself as a beginner in the gambling games, so I choose the chance-based because I don't know too much with the skill gambling games. Besides that, I only play on the easy gambling games which are about the chance. I can use some money to gamble in that gambling games, and I can stop anytime I want so I can accept the risk if somehow, I lost the cash for playing gambling. I still trying to limit my money in the chance-based gambling games because I realize that if I don't do that, I will lose all of the money that I have, and that will make me confuse and regret it. But whether it is a skills-based or chance-based gambling games, we always need to have luck so we can win the games.

I'm happy to see this kind of discussion, gamblers should be able to differentiate a skilled based games from a luck based games as that would make them realistic on knowing their chances if they are seeking for a win.

I play both of these, but most of the time I put my focus on skilled based games particularly on sports betting, and I am happy to where I am now though I took a break for over two months already I guess.

It depends. All gambling has an element of luck to it. Blackjack may or may not have an element of skill to it too, depending on how and where you play it.

Blackjack in a physical casino may be skilled based. There is a basic strategy for blackjack which tells you the best action to take (hit, stand, double, split) for every combination of cards in your hand, plus the dealer's face up card. If you are playing in a physical casino, then you need to memorize that to keep the house edge to a minimum. The only way to swing the house edge in your favor is by using techniques such as card counting or shuffle tracking, although shuffle tracking is more or less impossible now due to automatically shuffling machines. Memorizing the basic strategy and card counting are definitely skill based.

If you are playing online, as is being discussed here, then provided you follow the basic strategy (which is trivial to do and not skill based at all since you can just have it open in a second window), then it is entirely luck based, as you say. Online casinos can shuffle the cards after every hand instantly, making card counting impossible.

So is "skill-based" really a thing? Anything gambling-related has an element of luck in it, it's not like cooking where you master it the more you cook - you may get better at it, but with gambling there's still some luck you also have to depend on. Otherwise, they'd be considered sports and not gambling games, right?  ???

Supporters of the idea that "some gambling games are actually skill-based" usually give out examples of people who turned into millionaires from being long-term poker players - isn't that exactly like giving out examples of people who turned into millionaires from blackjack and dice games?

Oh man, had I not searched whether Poker is considered a sport or not, I would've beat you with the timing ;D

Yes they have skills that you need in some gambling games because if you not know the technique you are going to play it you will lose mostly for sure but they have gambling games that is not required to use the skills because it is base on lucky or chance for them to win to the game but startegy is better to use most of the time to lessen the risk of losing.

I also prefer skill based because gambling without strategy and only depending on luck is really boring and it takes away the fun.
Even dice games in casino's there are patterns you could see or some techniques for you to be able to win more but quite risky as well.

I can relate with you on the luck base of gambling, the slots and dice have the biggest house edge. But what I do not agree is poker is solely based on skills, that would be looking at a narrow perspective. Poker is a game that both incorporate skills and luck, to prove my point I want to tell you why there is a bluff in poker? Does it have to do with luck? Well half of it has to do with, you are lucky when they bite but the skill to make a bluff so believable completes the bluff and I think that it is enough point to prove that poker is an amalgamation of luck and skill. One special of these being true though is the rise of online casino where you can't physically interact with other players making the bluff harder albeit still executable, for the chance games though it has been different ever since, imagine slots that will strike the jackpot and not any other consolation price, the site can do that and the players will never bat an eye.

Another that I can add is the skill called card counting can be used to increase your chances in winning, you can also master probability for dice or roullete but you have to make a quick equations to make it work, math teachers and mathematicians are very good at this.

I mean, accepting the caveat we both mentioned regarding all gambling having an element of luck, there are definitely some which require skill as well. Poker is the obvious one. Take someone who has never gambled before and a gambler of 40 years' experience and sit them down together at the roulette table, they are equally as likely to win or lose. Now have them play head to head in poker, and you'd obviously be betting on the experienced player. Any sports betting is skilled based - you are using your knowledge of the likely outcomes to influence your bet, as opposed to just picking a winning a team at random.

Sports definitely have an element of luck to them too, some more than others. Everything from whether your star player is injured or unwell and has to miss a game, to whether the ball hits a divot in the grass, could be considered "unlucky".

No, you can't. There are no calculations that you can do to increase your chances of winning on simple dice or roulette games. Provided the system isn't rigged in some way, every roll or spin is completely random and completely independent of every other roll or spin.

I prefer to play skill-based games most of the time, particularly if the plan is primarily to make a little money. There are also times when I am simply bored and don't want to think much about things or perhaps just want to unwind. These are times when I just want to roll the dice.

But I want to point out that even skill-based gambling requires a whole lot of luck also. I have just recently placed several bets with very low odds, playing around 1.50, that all went lost.

We really enjoy both of that because they have person who are don't have enough skills in playing gambling but they still enjoying.
Depends also to the games that you gonna play if you like than game you will enjoy is either needed a skills or base on chance only.

Well, I guess the conclusion is that everything actually has an element of luck - taking the example from my previous post, "cooking" could also go wrong due to unluckiness if you get injured with a knife or some other tool; driving with a bit of unluckiness could turn into an accident etc. We're basically talking about probabilities of something to happen.

I do agree that Poker may require skill, but that does not necessarily make it a skill-based game (after reading my reply twice, I found out the talk is about games being skill-based, not skill-only as I first thought). I'm not sure, could Poker only end in a win/loss or is there the possibility to end with a tie (draw)? If you can't end with a draw between two players, then take two guys with the approximately same amount of experience and put them head-to-head - couldn't luck come in to influence who the winner gets to be? One of them drawing a very bad hand, for instance. In the ideal situation of both having the exact same experience, luck remains the only thing that truly matters if I'm correct.

The logic says that we should focus more on the skill games.However the fun of the randomness when playing slot machines and the vain dream we have to hit that jackpot make us to be impacted more from the luck based games.I think here in the forum the majority of gamblers play games of luck.

i have tried skill based gambling before which is mentioned on the first page which was blackjack  .  it was online and my experience was bad because i think i already pick a high number but most of the times the dealer was blackjack or 21  so i still loose  . im started to convince that bj is not a game of skill but its a game of chance or luck based   .  there are also times that if i pick low number i still win because the dealers card pick was over   .  now im only playing dice mainly 

You can certainly end a single hand in a tie, if both (or several) plays have the same hand. You can't really end a whole game in a tie though, unless you decide to end early. Games will generally continue until everyone except one player is out of chips.

Absolutely. Even the best poker player in the world could lose to an amateur if they were particularly unlucky and the amateur was being dealt full houses every hand.

There's far too many variables to just chalk it all up to the same amount of experience, I would think. Decisions on which hands to play, which to fold, how aggressively to play them, how good each player is at bluffing, how good they are at hiding their tells, how good they are at picking up other players' tells, how good the players they are playing against are at picking up their tells, the list goes on.

Every game, sport, competition, exists somewhere on a continuum from 0% skill/100% chance through to 100% skill/0% chance. At the former end you have things like roulette and the lottery, and at the other end things like chess. It would be impossible to quantify "how much" of poker is skill and how much is luck, but I'd say that over time, as the same game with the same players progress through more and more hands, skill plays an ever larger role. A newbie might win a few "lucky" hands, but over time the odds are in the favor of the experienced players.

There is a very little factor in blackjack that is skill-based. The rest is purely chance-based. Your double, split, etc options are there depending on the cards that you got, which are not within your control. I think the basic strategies in blackjack are not really strategies which you analyze in your mind but more of the predictable preferable way depending on the cards on hand.

I love both but I prefer the challenging aspect in skill-based gambling.

Well, skill-based and chance-based are the same they are both gambling and they will never guarantee to win to anyone. Obviously, there is the difference between the two but they are still a game of luck wherein you may be skilled enough because of your experience in playing a particular game but at the end of the day you may still lose for it is not your lucky day, --same as what we normally say every time we lose at the end of our daily gambling life.

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Indeed, strategies are the skill that makes us feel we are already knowledgeable about the game and make us think we have more chances of winning but other players also have so chances are we may still win or lose and we will still hold on our luck. With these two options, it may still be more challenging if we will play the one where we can use our knowledge and have the chance of applying all the strategies that we have at least we still fight for our luck instead of waiting for our luck to be on our side and that is playing skill-based gambling.

This is what I do too! If the money I used to bet is kind of a big money, I will choose to bet on games that I can use my skill with it, there's more chance of winning, its entertaining for me to think critically while gambling too. Sometimes I gamble too because I wanted to try my skills in a certain game.

Then there are days that my mind is just floating and I just needed something to do, then I play chance-based gambling. Its kind of entertaining even with less thinking going on in the process. I usually play this before going to sleep.

Chanced based games gives me a lot of excitement for some reason because you are against a system you know that there is a house edge but you prefer to continue to see if luck is in your side at this time, skill-based is also good, but if you are playing with players who knows how to read your face and reaction and you do not know how to interpret your opponents moves you are in trouble.

Yep, You're doomed if you find yourself in a table of pros.

Poker is a skill-based game. If you ever tried this without playing offline you'd be the first to run back to dice platform crying for your loss.  The guys playing this game has deep pockets that can take a loss of more than $5k and will be back again to play for another $5k without folding.  Bacarrat seems easy and you don't have to lose a hundred or thousand playing this one.

Some blackjack tables in land based casinos will let you have a basic strategy card that you can pull out and reference. Basic strategy is so well known at this point that casinos know it makes no difference if they prohibit them from using a reference card. Players can easily memorize the chart off the tables then hit the tables. Much of basic strategy is based on intuition anyways (ie doubling a 10 or 11, hitting certain cards against a dealer's 9, 10, or ace).  

Still, counting cards still requires luck. You're shifting the house edge in your favor a bit where over time you have a greater chance of being up money. But it still comes down to bank roll management because when the count is in your favor, you need to make decisions on how much to raise your bet. And that's usually relative to your bank roll and it's also the the time where you usually get caught and thrown out for counting. Online counting is impossible because of the deck penetration the casinos use, not necessarily the shuffling. They cut the shoe in a way that makes counting inefficient.  

personally i do not consider myself, in fact i know i'm not lucky that's why i prefer to play skill based games where the skill and experience of the single player can make the difference between winning and losing, my favorites games are classic poker and black jack, i don't like to entrust all my chances of winning just to luck

I play poker more often, basically it is a skill-based game but I do love also the fortune games like dice. Admit it, you are not always on top of your game when playing skill based games, there are days that it seems to be tiring but you don't have any thing to do with so you'll just gamble but it tends to be a losing day really that's why I play chances game sometimes, to be honest it is more entertaining and fun than skill based games. Nothings serious, just pure fun.

   I like to bet on sports, but the games I like to bet on are canceled! This pandemic turned me to chance-based
games, and I agree with you Aioc, there's a lot of excitement while I play this games. Even I bet with minimal bets
and I don't win a lot, nor I lose much, I enjoy playing crash game and dice game!
   When sports events start again I will go back to sports betting, but for sure I will play chance-based games
when I have time and money to spare!

Many people think that gambling based games are luck based only which is wrong sometimes. If you are an old gambler, you know when to stop, when to play, how to control over the emotions , not to become addicted etc. These things should be counted under the skills of gambling and if you have these skills your chances of wining in gambling are bright.

Not everyone can master the game as it an art to play like poker or other card games which involves lot of skill to be on top of the game which cannot be everyone’s game as well. So in Such scenarios people prefer luck based games which can help them to win or they play to enjoy their time .

Depends on my preferences on a particular day, sometimes I want to socialize a bit more, I would want to just chat with people, talk with them, play against them and all around I want to play skill based because I feel like I want to "play" it basically. But, when I just want to spend some time without thinking much and just want to waste the time, I play the chance based. Just open a dice game, spend 3-4 hours on it, and go to sleep.

Basically for me dice gaming is just something I do when I should be sleeping but I can't and so I am spending some time there until I get more sleepy. Thankfully I have some self control and I have minimum amount like 50 bucks at most on a place and never deposit, so even if I get too sleepy and lose it all that's fine. These are the reasons why sometimes I want to play one sometimes and the other sometimes.

There are patterns to watch for a strategy in dice. They've come up with a strategy for a player to overcome bad luck. Although its not really that going to make a difference if you just keep playing while you wanna sleep but shouldn't you be just doing Autobet for maybe luck can give you more?

No matter how much you say "skill based" games depends on luck, in the end, luck is what that matters. No matter how much skilled you are, you still might get crushed by a "lucky" user anytime. Think about poker. You played you games analytically. According to your analysis, say the chance of the opponent to get a better hand than you is like 0.1% (assuming those numbers). You might think that you won the game and go all in according to your analysis, but if you are unlucky, the opponent might win it.

That's why skills should be applied to have that luck comes to you. I can't call it "there should be luck we also have to depend on" on skill-based games.

For example in poker, I have a bad set of cards, definitely unlucky. But with the skills I have, I can turn the table based on my decision and good strategy. Another good example is Chinese poker, even the dealer does have, for let's say a flush at the bottom and a straight at the middle, I can still beat that. Luck really matters but not a thing you have to depend on in terms of skill-based gambling.

Another good example in MOBA games, teams are lucky if they were able to control the game for at least 60% to 70% in early phase. But not just they literally rely on luck but they are just good in their execution and plays.

Even for skill based gambling, we need luck as well because if we don't get the better cards on poker you will lose the game no matter how much skills you have. I only choose luck based gambling to be honest because skill based games are more addictive comparatively to luck based and also it only take few minutes but to play cards it will be longer time frame.

for card counters it definitely is, especially when it comes to single-deck blackjack. with a house edge around just 0.15%, it's beatable if you know the game well and can ride out variance.

i would never gamble on chance-based games. i love poker, and i'm all about playing in games where i have an edge.

I don't think any casino uses a single deck to play blackjack! Though counting number is considered illegal. If you get caught, oh boy you are dead. They take you to the back  room. Beat you up and take all your money.
Lol kidding. I have a friend who used to be a dealer. They used six decks on their casino. They all are taught how to identify those who count cards. If you get caught, they just tell you to leave and all you winnings are forfeited. Don't worry. They won't beat you lol.

Does a single-deck blackjack exist somewhere? As far as I know, 4 to 8 decks are usually used. Even if you somewhere find a place where they play one deck, then mixing is done when about 30% of the deck is used, so there is no way to make calculations and get an advantage due to this.

No need to choose up because i do both on this time of quarantine yet ive been playing poker which is really a skill-based on but when i do get bored then i do easily switch up to dice or crash game

which would entirely depend on my mood.It doesnt matter which one you would play as long you do enjoy the game and doesnt really spend up too much in times of this covid crisis.

If you do target out to be having the edge when you are good at it then skill-based would be preferable but we know that there were really some unique luck based ones are really very enjoyable to play.

I agree with you I think on the long term chance based games, as you say, are losing games, so the only way to make gains if you want to play all your lifetime on earth is to play skill-based games and above all to become better than your opponents.

there are obviously way less single-deck games now than there used to be. you can still find several casinos in vegas (and elsewhere) offering them though, just not on the strip.

i'm not too familiar with the online casino scene these days, but i know playtech, microgaming, and rival gaming software all include single-deck variants. it's just a matter of whether specific casino skins offer them. my understanding is that when you find single-deck games, the odds are usually switched from the classic 3:2 to 6:5 to offset the easier games.


i disagree. face up cards = dead cards which cannot be dealt from the deck again.

if single-deck gives card counters no edge, why did casinos switch to multi-deck? why do single-deck games pay with worse odds? :)

For honest, i consider this as a little naive theory. It's doesn't matter how good you at gambling and how good is your skill, when everything will finally resolve with some probability. For example, you have "AA" hand in poker, monster hand, you have strategy, knowledge about poker rules and so on, and your opponent have "77" on his hand. You both going all in, and finnaly. after river opponent 've got set of "777" while you still with "AA". That's all folks, like in cartoon  ;D (for you of course)


Also, some games unsuitable for any kind of "skill". Dice or roulette for example.

I choose skill-based because I often play card games such as poker,

I prefer to go up against another person as my opponent than to gamble against the house, it gives me more chance to win since playing against the house won't really bring you any winning.
Indeed, aside from its rules is easy to understand, it is easy to play for beginners. And we have this so-called beginner's luck that really happens most of the time to beginners.

Yeah, that also depends on the mood. Sometimes it's fun using some brain cells making strategies and bluffing; sometimes it's fun just clicking on the roll button without a single strategy. LOL!


There's always a certain degree of luck, I guess.

However, what you're referring to are not skills pertaining to the gambling games themselves. They're like life skills, something like that. They matter a lot, yes, but I don't know how they would specifically make you win in a game.

Be very careful since you are enjoying this kind of luck based games one mistake can lead you to bust a lots of money. The chance is always there especially when you've get excited and unable to control your emotions. Keep in mind that separating your emotions will help you to avoid losing
a lots of money.

As you say, the fewer decks that are used, the smaller the house edge.

To put some numbers on it, assuming the dealer is standing on 17 or higher but hitting on soft 17, then the house edge is as follows:

• One deck - 0.16%
• Two decks - 0.46%
• Four decks - 0.60%
• Eight decks - 0.66%

If the dealer stands on a soft 17, then you need to take about 0.2% off of all those numbers, meaning a 1 deck game ends up with a negative house edge, giving the player a slight advantage.

I mostly play skill-based games and if we are talking about fighting boredom skill-based game is the best choice you have since every game takes a lot of time compared
to chance-based games and will require your attention and is also enjoyable if you are playing to another competitive gambler.

Even if we think we have strong skills in gambling like we have a techniques, but let me remind you that strategies won't last long. That is why whatever technique you will gonna use, all are effective at first. Therefore we only rely on luck even though you are skillfull enough, you can't really beat the house.

Whether it's a chance based or skill, we only grip on that luck particularly in gambling.

I don't have any luck at all, so I wouldn't choose the chance-based gambling, I am always losing the game whenever I play in chance based gambling, so I already stopped playing in gambling like that.

It is still better to choose skill-based gambling because your skill will be based on whether to win or to lose the game. So all you need to do on that is to practice and be knowledgeable about it. Take research and observe first before playing, once you get the pattern or skills on it then try playing.

It's both even if you are that skilled, you still need a little bit of luck to win a game, and if you are playing in a game of chance, and you are playing for a long period of time,  you will develop an insight how to give the most of your bet and, but between the two skill-based has a better chance for you to succeed.

I think it still depends on the game you played, dice is not a skilled base games but actually there are gamblers who even gamble hours on it.
Unlike in sports betting where I can certain consider a skilled based gambling, it does take me one hour to gamble, just analyze the game and put your bet, and you don't need to watch the game as you only need to look for the final result of the game to determine if you win or lose.

Yes, although the chance to win in gambling is an important factor, it is possible to determine tactics in some games and to earn with the determined tactics. However, it should be known that the games played by determining the tactic and the control of the game are also required by the users. For example, when you play Blackjack, you do not know that the safe will reach 17 or above when you decide not to draw another card. Of course, you can control the game compared to slot games or lotto games, but as I mentioned, you need to have some luck factor since you do not know the opposite side's move.

I also bet on sports and I feel it's not a kind of game that stresses me out, unlike when you stay for hours in front of your computer playing those fun games that would cause some addiction sometimes, in sports, though its also possible you'll get addicted but you can share some conversation with your friends who loves sports and gambling at the same time, sharing your analysis and even if you only bet one game, it would already create an interesting discussion sharing your thoughts on a certain game.

This is already common and known by a lot of gamblers.

Those luck-based gambling are games that don't require thinking 'cause you just need to bet and pick your desired slot. Obviously, the common winners of these luck-based gambling games are those who're lucky.

Skill-based are only applicable to complex games like poker which you need to be more strategic and have psychological thinking to ensure your win.

The problem with these two strict categories is that no skills games are pure skill. It also contains luck in it. How many % skill and % chance should we put the game into a skill or chance-based game?

This situation also makes a game like a poker illegal in some parts of the country but legal for the rest.

You can compute the skills but you can't on the luck..
Just give you best to improve your skills so you don't need to rely on your luck all the time.

When you are a skilled gambler, you are likely treating what you do as a job, you are professionally handling it, and you keep a record of your performance when gambling, but most importantly, you choose the right game for you that does not belong a luck based games. (with house edge).



Poker is gambling, a certain country does not choose a certain game to legalized or not, if its illegal the they regulate it generally and they make gambling illegal, just like in China I guess.

If you are playing almost daily then learning skills on how to win games is a good choice for you, you don't want to lose money relying on luck, even if you cannot learn how to be a very good skill based player and only win from time to time, at least you can still go on playing because of your winning coming from your skill.

That is why when I do gambling I always choose the skill based games where I will use my gambling skill and also my risk management skills. I do not like playing games where it is a pure luck game where the chances of winning and losing is 50-50. For me it is just a waste of time and money because I am not lucky like the others. I mostly played card games especially poke wherein I uses my skill in terms of psychology, decision making and creating strategies.

Skill-based gambling is really easier to play with as you have some control with your money and techniques to perform in gambling. Some people are having a hard time playing luck-based game as it really depends on their fate and luck. They have nothing to do but to bet and wait for the outcome whether it is a win or lose. That's why I prefer skill-based game, so that when there's someone to blame, it is myself. The strategies and results are in my own hand, it is really much enjoyable if you are really playing instead of just waiting there for the outcome. Sometimes, there are still circumstances where skill-based gambling is not that lucky enough for you to win.

Yeah, for example poker, when you playing correctly due to your strategy, with a monster hand, call "all in" and finally lose to lucker. Heh, Such "enjoyable"

Chance based games are good for the guys with no skill.

Let's assume you are playing Chess  (no Blackjack this time sorry but you can also replace chess with dota if you want :)) and you are making bets with the other player over the game result.

If you are a bad player, you'll lose most of the games whether you bet big or small.

Dice games remove that issue for you. Not everybody is super smart or knows well how to play games that require good skill.

And this is the good thing on this market on where we do have the choices or options to take which would really be depending on our preferences because not all would really have that skill or knowledge on several games that other do know.So its a matter of choice on which one you would play either a luck based one or skill based but there are instances that people switch up to pure luck games just because they dont know how to play those skilled ones.Just like me on where i do know several games but there are really times that i do get bored and switch up easily to those pure luck ones because thrill on seeing instant results are way
too different when you do watch sports or card games.

i know the feeling. it's never over until all the cards are dealt! ;)

that's one reason to avoid oversized preflop all-ins, especially multi-way. too much chance, too much gambling. even AA will lose almost 1 out 4 times to mid suited connectors. a more marginal hand like AK suited will lose against any random hand 1 out of 3 times. i like to get my chips in after the flop, when the odds are more clearly in my favor.

the element of chance is crucial though---if there was no chance involved then donkeys wouldn't play poker because they would never win. this means we need to ride out the statistical variance and play statistically smart poker. in the long run, it's profitable.

If you're playing with some other players and the game have complex mechanics like chess or dota, definitely it's not a chance-based game 'cause obviously it requires massive thinking and strategy that will let you win the game. Poker is a complex gambling game with opponents too, you need to think of a strategy that will bluff and fool those opponents. I'm agreeing with your statement that chance game are better for those who haven't given a good IQ, it'll make them easier to play.

Single-deck games give an advantage only if they are not mixed in time. For blackjack, 30% of the deck used is a signal to shuffle. Obviously, if you use one deck, shuffling will be too frequent. Maybe that's why casinos switched to multi-deck.

Insteresting, how do you know that? Did you experiment it and made your calculations yourself? Or you have read it somewhere else? If it's the later do you still have the source perchance?

Whenever I see headlines with VS here on forum I wish to make contra and ask "why not both"? Why is the problem to try both and to have fun with both? It's not the same when you play lucky based games and skill based games, two subgroups of gambling! Why not go further, subgroups of subgroups... it's not the same when you play dices, crash, slots, or any other lucky based game! Each of these games is different, and if you take skill based gambling and compare poker, black jack, sports betting (and maybe some other game I can't think of right now) you will have the same thing, these games are different!
Here there's no VS, there's the enjoyment you get from playing some game! Some are attracted to lucky others to skill based gambling games, and you will have people like me who like to gamble and we like many gambling games. Bottom line, find the game you like and play it, it's not matter is it lucky or skill, what's matter is that you enjoy playing it!

I think the chance for AA to lose to any another pair is something like 1 out of 3 (i don't count exact probability, but from game theory it's looks like that)


Maybe, but even one game can be lost due to shit luck. So this can;t be considered only as skill game. Skill games it's chess or Go. Any gambling it;s more about gambling than skill. My opinion.

Luck, you mean?

Actually it's hard to say if it's about luck or skills because that depends on the person gambling.
There are even some gamblers who believe that a lucked based game like dice or roulette, they can find a strategy to win consistently, but actually they are wrong, they are just being unrealistic so they think it's possible.

Chance based or skilled based, it's still not easy to win in gambling because in reality people are even losing more in skilled based games as they are more aggressive in terms of betting because they think they had some good chance.

Yep, already corrected  ;D


As i said before, in some situations it's doesnt matter how good your skill or how do you play. Only a chance and luck will decide. Unlike chess, where only your skill is put on the edge of game result.

Seems i have to agree with you on this one bro. Skill-based games really needed a ton of time for us to excel on that field.

As i observed though that whether you are into skill based or chance-based, if you don't do it moderately you will end up broke  :).

And in addition if you are not that good on a specific game you will be fish there and be the target of all of the veteran player there. Just like poker, usually if you are not good and enter the table you will instantly became the target there. Based on my personal experience dumb player on poker is the easiest way to have a money in gambling, they are easy to predict and read and usually their bet decision is based on their emotion so they can be easily beat.

That's right, Let's use the given game which is poker, Being shuffled and having a veteran player enemy in poker isn't new because poker games are based on the stakes you are playing with. There would be a chance that you want to play higher stakes it means your enemy would be a veteran player. Having a good skill can make you win and survive the game and luck is one part of it. But overall it would depend on you on how you will maneuver your skills on enemies like that. 

Practicing to improve your skills is a pretty normal happening in the gambling community, There are players who sharpen their skill by gathering their own experience and there are also gamblers who are relying on past experience of others and applying it to their game.

I'm guilty of this to be honest lol. I love playing Texas Holdem poker, Tong Its (a card game here in our country) and Pusoy (Chinese poker) only within the circle of my friends because I somehow memorized the way they play. But when it comes to unknown opponents, I get choked always ;D. That's why I never set playing online as my career, I already admitted to myself that I cannot have a good future in there. I just focused on sportsbetting since I'm knowledgeable when it comes to sports.

Same here, not only I am knowledgeable, I also love to watch games so I am enjoying while I am betting. This kind of betting is really challenging for me and I am okay of getting challenge because I believe I have a decent chance of winning though I'm still far away of being consistent in making profit.

I think most of the gamblers who are thinking of gambling a skilled based games are doing sports betting.
So with the measures the government has impose which is to stop the sports, it's really a big loss to the sports betting industry, since they are making billions of dollars from the gamblers, and this time also looks like a blessing in disguise since gamblers are not anymore spending on sports betting.

To my opinion the only type of gambling where you can use some skills and knowledge is sport betting. You can be a big fun and really follow some sport or team and that might really help you with betting but on the other hand it isn't guarantee for profit, surprises are always possible.
Unfortunately, in the pandemic time all sport events were cancelled and that was really bad for all of us.
In every other types of gambling you mainly depend on luck.

I don't agree with it, though I like sports betting but I don't think it's the only type of gambling where you can use your skills and knowledge to win.
There are a lot of skilled based games, but only few are popular and of course that includes sports betting and maybe we can also consider poker since it's very popular now and people are betting big time because they believe on their skills.

Skill based is very much preferable because you have a total control of your games, but when it comes to excitement chance based games has a lot of excitement, this is based on my experienced and my opinion facing a good poker players will make you think of your chances, compared to when you are playing a dice game where every roll is a different story and excitement to you.

I also prefer gambling skill based compared to gambling chance based, because it generates profits with gambling skill based
more easier. By mastering gambling skills based we can determine our victory, the higher our abilities, the higher our chances
to win. While gambling chance based like roulette and lottery does not require skills, but we depend on luck to win.

Yeah, man. You can see some replies by an experienced, knowledgeable members here about Blackjack stuff few post ahead than this or you can jump up to first page and scan several replies all the way down. And later decide if skillbased were still for sportsbetting alone.


I prefer skill based betting as well, sports betting in particular. But it ain't easy to generate profit, as you say it so. Sometimes, there were scenario that go in a way you thought it wouldn't that results to losing particular amount of money. One bad thing in addition to skill based game is that, you'll go bet that exceeds your average 'cause you tend to be certain, and will just lose it for the event you didn't expect to happen. Perhaps luck sometimes reside with your winning. But whatever, you can just determine the probabilty of winning but you can't determine the exact result.

But how do you consider sportsbetting in one of these? A skill-based game or a chance game? Coz me personally I think of it on different aspect, when it comes to the player that is playing on field or on the sport it is skill-based game for them, at gambler's end it is a chance game even you have searched a lot of the player's stats you can always win or lose. I also tried sportsbetting on boxing and it didn't end well for me tough I bet on high stat player.

You make a valid point

The fact of life is that different people with different levels of expertise in the same domain look at the same thing quite differently. For an experienced gambler who knows how to take advantage of randomness, the outcome in the games of chance like dice may no longer be a matter of pure luck as it is for the rest of the pack. It can be generalized further in the sense something will be a skill-based game for masters and experts at it, while for laymen and novices it will be more like Russian roulette in reverse, i.e. with only one empty chamber in the revolver

Yes. Sports betting still needs to analyze the skills of the fighter or the athlete. You look at his strengths and weaknesses and if matched to a semi midget vs your big fighter you'll bet big for him.


You will feel confident when your cards are at least straight or fullhouse but if not then its going to depend on bluffing alone and this is where your skills are going to be more useful. You will think of your chances because poker game is where you will bet to double the amount which the pot will really huge.

here are some examples of preflop odds:

https://i.imgur.com/2SxmHVL.png

https://i.imgur.com/7RB3QpT.png

https://i.imgur.com/1H3ZQqP.png

so AA is in a very dominant position---winning ~4 out of 5 hands---when the opponent is isolated. multi-way pots are much more of a gamble. AA in a family pot preflop won't even win a majority of the time so it's important to raise preflop. a lot of people slow play AA preflop and then end up in bad positions postflop.


i would reverse it---it's a skill game with elements of chance. especially when you consider things like hand reading abilities. sports betting with good odds is never a sure thing either, but like poker, with a statistical edge, the game can be beaten over time.

you're right that the better player will not win 100% of the time, but over time as variance is played through, they will win much more often than worse players.

Whatever type of gambling I think there is still an element of luck in it. But gambling that is played with skills will have a different feeling compared to gambling that only relies on luck. Regardless of which is good, it depends on the habits of the players and I prefer to bet without skills such as dice, yes even though its a bit boring but I enjoy it.

It is indeed a matter of preference or interest of a certain gambler because not all do enjoy to play sportsbet or card games and just rather stick with dice and roulette
because they can able to get the entertainment that they do seek of, therefore it do really talks with interest but on general sense when it comes to chances or risk then theres no doubt that skill based ones would really have that edge.

Losing is inevitable even the pros but somewhat they do able to lessen it out and be still profitable in the end of the day.

This is well-known information, I studied it both from the point of view of mathematics and from sources like Wikipedia. In any open source, you can read the history of the "casino - player" confrontation in blackjack and understand why and how the rules changed (including the rules for the number of decks and their shuffling).

Gamblers have their own preferences when it comes to playing. But those skill-based games will indeed give you advantage when you talk about winning. If you have the skills and knowledge for those specific games, you have high chance of winning, whereas chance-based are pure luck in play. So if you want  a lil bit of security, you can focus on skill-based games and nurture your skill thru experience if you want a real advantage when it comes to winning.

With much love for poker, I always be a skill bases gambler. Poker has been part of me and doing this with friends make me doing what is fine and pleasing to me, poker is a game of learning before play, hence, such gambler stand the chance to loose his or her games. As for me, am not the type that usually find luck or chance while gambling, thus was why I choose to get poker as my favorite among all games.

Most people choose chance based games and the statistics confirm it.
70 or 80% of casino profit are slots that are the purest and most newbie friendly form of chance games.

I'd choose a skill based game because when I gamble I like to focus on it but I know that many people gamble while doing something else like watching TV or even working.

Skill-based games aren't poker, blackjack and similar ones. Skill-based games are Chess and Poo/Billiard (only these two came to my mind right now). Poker and blackjack are based on luck, but at the same time, it depends on what kind of conditions do we have to play. You know live online casinos use 8 decks of cards while this number is much lower in a real-life casino.
Can say nearly the same on Poker. Poker is a mixture of skills and luck. Without good cards, you can't win against your opponent but at the same time you can win with bad cards over good cards if you bluff, it's a skill too but real-life poker makes this skill much more usable than virtual poker cause on this last one you can't understand emotions of players as well as you are able in real life poker.

Even if you think that the blackjack only requires skill trust me sooner or later you are going to realize that the company makes sure that no one , literally no one wins more than they have spent.
I do think even if it is a skill based gambling , it still is somehow monitored plus there are set of computer programs specifically designed to make sure no one person wins a lot.
The chances are always good in the skill based section , the lucky based one is something that I don't think one should become addicted to, but some of the games are Preety addictive in that section I must say . It is always changing and have so many variety , the skill based is fixed to 1-2 kinds .
I personally prefer the luck based ones..

I'm not really that good in  card games but I find excitement in chance games like dice and minesweeper and roulette I always like to try my luck
sometimes I win sometimes I lose but on both occasions, I am very excited to play the game, there's an adrenaline rush involved.

Keep that adrenaline rush controllable. Knowing that inside gambling activities chances of getting addicted is really high, play and enjoy then quit once you are satisfied for the day, don't allow yourself being attached that much since it can bring you to high addiction and damage your financial savings.
Both sides of games are enjoyable to people who understand how gambling works.

Well, I prefer chance based games as I do not want to use my brains for playing online. You are never sure whether you are playing with an actual human or a bot. Also chance based games are more luck based games therefore the uncertainty factor creates more excitement.

I think it's just a matter of chance, luck and perseverance. I think every game within the internet is somehow controlled and skills cannot be solely applied.
You just have to choose if you will go for it or not. Then luck takes over.

But all you need to have the skill in order for you to have a good chance of winning, what else can you apply in gambling? Luck? I think luck is like a thief, it will just come unexpectedly and just consider it as a bonus or something that would increase your chance but don't rely on it.

Pick the luck based casino games when you are begin with, it maybe harder to make money from these games but this will make you aware that it is not easier to win money from gambling so they will always try to save themselves from getting addicted to it.

It would mean all casinos online are just stealing from us and not provably fair in the crypto space, that's disappointing to hear while I admire casinos where I won some bits. I would only appear like my skill is worthless. there is no reason for gamblers to play anymore since the games on the internet are all controlled.  ;D lets get out of here.

That's what I was saying. People sometimes see that chance-based games are easier to win but It is not true unless you are super smart or super skilled.* If you carry these features, you don't even have to bet, just work and make money.

Gambling should be brain-dead luck only.

*Even if you are super smart or super skilled, if your opponents are as smart/skilled as you, you can still lose. These only work against dumb/unskilled people.

If I would put it in mind, I might enjoy gambling and I would not lose big money but I would not be challenge.
The reason why I am gambling regularly is because I am challenge and as challenge I would like to improve myself and hoping to be successful someday.

I believe that there's a reason why skilled based game and luck based game are divided because they give different chances to gamblers.

Both roulette and poker are luck based. Did you made more money through Poker (as you think it is skill based) as compare to roulette ?

Almost 90% of the gambling games are luck based.

Good advice. I can say that (although this is paradoxical) one of the best luck for a beginner is a loss. Losing and unpleasant emotions associated with this give an understanding that there is no easy money here. If a novice player wins, then he might think that this is normal. And then when at a distance he will suffer losses he will not stop but will continue to play expecting his luck.

You are right gambling is all about a matter of chance, luck and perseverance but I think these all thing is working on that time when a gambler is new in gambling, and so I have seen many expert gamblers who are playing gambling on the bases of skills and as well as luck because when a gambler has good skills and good luck then he will never face the huge amount of loss, so that is why in gambling skills and luck both are compulsory.

It also have have different approach if the newbie when the game since the outcome will different for that matters, I've seen so many newbies got addicted when they win their first bet so this discussion really depends on what type of person the gambler is. If they have self control then theirs no problem even if they are skill based or chance based games.

Knowing the impossible thing about gambling's probability to win, there's nothing to argue with it. When all situation is based on luck, I guess that doesn't matter if you're having the skills or not but chance is all that matters most if you're the lucky one. Of course luck was only a random state and no one can able to predict it actually.

The lucky will come to the right person, and no matter we try, if we are not luck, we will not have a chance to win in gambling. But we can have the opportunity to win in gambling in the skills-based if we have a skill in that game. But we still need the luck to win no matter if that is skills-based gambling game or chance-based gambling game. So you need to think twice before you choose the gambling games you want to play.

My perception on this relies on the fact that web games are hard to predict. That is why I said that gambling online for me is based on chances.
Regarding to gambling personally, it needs that skill.
Also, what kind of game you play is another factor.
Respect to all gamblers, it also amuses me.

Things my change depend on game you are playing and the knowledge and skill you have in the said game.

Like for example if you are a Basketball fan for long time,maybe you can at least have bigger chance of winning if you bet in sportsbet specially if the team is your favorite.

But for me?i will gamble either of he 2 because i love to bet for fun and have no big desire of winning though only stupid person that will deny going home with good money in their pocket.

Wrong example, if that is only the basis to succeed in gambling, then definitely sports betting will not be challenging for the sports betting.
The sad reality is, when always bet on your favorite team, you are likely to lose, because it will make you bias and you'll not be able to analyze it realistically since you are bias.

If you'll gonna ask me, I think playing gambling is not just skill-based but also chance-based because not all the time you can win the game even if you are a pro gamer there will be a time that your win streak cam be a lose streak too most especially in betting for example in 2018 NBA championship, a lot of people have been bet for Golden State Warriors hoping that they can win again against the Cavaliers but everything has an end their win streak has been broken by the Cavaliers that's why many people got dismayed.

^ Skill-based and Chance based gambling are both games that don't give any assurance of winning regardless of how skillful a player is or how often that a combination strikes on a particular game still it will only provide you chances of winning. Luck is the only tool that can give anyone an assurance of winning, for a skill base gambling most of the time people think that a player is good enough for the games because of the experience and knowledge that he has for the game in fact some people tend to avoid playing of this player because of his skill but still being a skilled or experienced player doesn't guarantee of every day winning there are times that they left gambling with no winnings at all and they would just say "not my lucky day". Chance based gambling often we see it really like a game of luck for the winning doesn't directly depend on us instead on the game itself however skills in this type of game can be an advantage like having the knowledge on the combination and how often it strikes can be used to have a higher chance of winning. Nevertheless, both gambling type brings enjoyment, and choosing from these two may depend on the personality of players whether if they want a game that will challenge their skills like me or just a gambling game that will make you wait for the result.

I think it does not necessarily mean you will bet on your favorite team instead at least you have idea what will happen to the game.

Because we are talking gambling here not specifically the game so you will analyze what is the stand of your favorite team if they can beat the opponent or not since you already knew their capacity and same as the other team

Into the world of gambling, I thought we are the same or both being a skilled base and chance base. In skilled base, if we want to play gambling it not all about you now the mechanics of the game instead you have additional knowledge came from your research and experience for all of your games which makes you stronger because you gained more knowledge than your opponents. A chance base because not all the time the luck is with us and this is having too much pressure when you face another player that is good and better to you sometimes those players can conquer the whole game and ruin your focus and goal to make more money that's why I think we are both of that kind of gambler.


It is better too if you will play the game that is you are a professional and export to avoid getting too much lose because one of the goals of the gambler is to make earning don't risk your self and your money if you are not comfortable to the game you are playing with.

Sometimes you just have to listen to the analyst particularly to boxing analyst if you have been a boxing fan. You don't really need to somehow become a boxer to bet a boxing match.  There are youtube channels that actually provide a lot of insights to a near boxing match and even to UFC fights, you just need to listen to them. It will bore you to death if you are not a fan but if you are betting for about 1ETH, it may make you listen to what they are saying. They may say one fighter has a better chance of winning because this one just came back from a broken leg operation.

I wouldn't trust anything you hear there (and half of what you see)

These people can say one thing and then do the opposite. Why so and how come? Just try to put yourself in their place. Would you share with anyone truly insider info on which you could earn dough? I guess that not. So why do you seriously expect somebody to tell the world the truth provided they know the truth in the first place? Put differently, be aware that you may be intentionally fed a piece of information that has little connection to how things are really going. That would be a deliberate piece of misinformation according to my book

I will only say that I agree with your assumptions. Both are the same, only a few things are different and that is an effort. Efforts to get a win in this type of gambling based on skills are the experience and knowledge applied when facing opposition from opponents. But that also doesnt guarantee victory all the time because it has to do with "luck".

It is this factor that continues to cling to gamblers regardless of the basis of their play as a skill-based game or a luck-based game. Although it is a bit different, especially in terms of style of play, but the luck factor will continue to exist in both.

No, not just for beginners but for all the gamblers who look for making entertainments from gambling, those chance/luck based gambling are the first preferences. Skill based gambling are known for being profitable but I tried them but never got chances to hit profits then I stopped trying them as I am very much comfortable with luck based gambling. They are instant and stress-buster compared to those skill based gambling types.

I recommend skill based gambling for all the gamblers who want to adopt gambling as part of their income stream and luck based gambling for the people who want to kill their boredom. Do not mix and not get yourself confused. Gamblers for this, first need to identify themselves what they actually want from gambling and then must need to choose the right type of gambling :).

You wouldn't just listen to one guy alone on youtube. There have to be multiple people reviewing whose going to win and not and from my experience, Joe Rogan sometimes will sometimes slip his bet to which fighter.

I sometimes read the comments of the weigh-ins video on youtube to see which one they bet also. Quite interesting people out there and that I sometimes learn the condition of the fighter and which fighter who doesn't box the way they use to.

And what does it change?

Okay, there are many people talking all sorts of things on YouTube, and so what? My proposition still holds. If you knew something which you would consider valuable info, would you expatiate on that? Let me guess, you would keep your mouth shut instead. Moreover, you would likely start to spread bullshit to draw people's attention from the real stuff by creating all kinds of smokes and mirrors, with white noise probably being the best (just in case, I don't mean you personally)

I also saw such cases. I agree that much depends on the person, but I think that it is best to avoid risk, because no one can be completely sure in own abilities or lack of addiction. Sometimes psychologically strong people in some aspects are amazingly weak in other aspects.

Ok, let's see using not some sites, but math and theory of probability (I don't tell that information on sites is wrong or something like that, but maybe want to improve my skill in probability and maybe it will be interesting for you. Also, i want to check is my calculations will match with site information).

AA against ANY another pair:

In this example i will take situation where you have AA on your hands and going ALL in in preflop.

What outcomes can be:

There any the same card for you or your opponent - you win
There another A for you - you win with set
There another card for your opponent and no card for you - opponent wins with set
There card for you opponent and A for you - you win with higher set.

So, as we see, AA is really strong hand (opponent will win only in 1 against 3 outcomes). But what about language of numbers?

It's obvious, that full outcome consists of two probabilities: you win or opponent win. Together they create a full space of outcomes (100 % outcome). (For honest, i don't know how it correct calls in english, in russian it will be - пoлнaя гpyппa coбытий)

To make our goal easier, it will be better to count a chance for opponent's hand to win (otherwise we need to calculate 1, 2, and 4 probabilities and to add them).
This chance consists of two parts: a chance to get another card which connect with his hand AND a chance that you do not get another A (this chance, with chance to get A also creates full space of outcome, so if chance to get A is 15 %, this will be 85 )

Less words, more numbers!
1. A chance to get AT LEAST one card: 2/48 (full deck 52, and we don't count his cards and your hand) + 2/47 + 2/46 + 2/45 + 2/44 = 0.041 + 0.042 + 0.043 + 0.044 + 0.045 = 21,5 % . But this will be a little wrong calculation, let me tell you why:
For example, we have two snipers, and question "What a probability that at least (OR) one sniper will hit his target? Chance of the first sniper is - 0.8 and the second one - 0.5" As you can see, we can't just add them, because this will be 130 %, and this is idiotic. We should add them, besides one outcome, when they hit target both (yeah, this is the most complicated part, many can't understand why so). The probability this outcome will be multiplication of the chances this two snipers. 0.8 * 0.5 = 0.4 (or 40 %), so, the right answer will be = 0.8 + 0.5 - 0.4 = 0.9 ). yep, the correct formula depends from how full events (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_(probability_theory)) interconnected one with the other in space of outcomes (sometimes it's correct just to add).
But our case is the same with two snipers. So we should to subtract the case when we have two card on the table (Four of the kind):
2/48 * (1/47 + 1/46 + 1/45 + 1/44) = 0.3 % (yep, that's less than 1 %)
21.5 - 0.3 = 21.2 %

And the chance for you to not get another A card: 100 % - chance to get (  :) ) because i count it before (21.2 %) it will be much faster = 100 - 21.2 = 88.8 %

And now, we need to multiplicate them (because we need TWO of this event to happen, meaning AND):
21.2 * 88.8 = 18.82 %


You were right - a chance for any another pair to win against AA is just 18.82 %

AND BECAUSE OF THIS MY ASSHOLE BURNS MUCH MORE WHEN I HAVE AA CALLING ALL IN AND A GUY WITH 33 WINS BECAUSE HE GET THIRD 3 ON RIVER  >:( >:( >:(

P.S:
And yeah, mu calculations is enough close to what shows in this site, i'm satisfied  :)
And yeah, i found why they have 19.251 and I 18.82 . They do not substract the probability that you get Four of a kind. This is a little wrong mathematically, but logically this is correct (it is obvious that you win for sure with 3333)

P.P.S: But i don't agree that a chance for the opponent to win will depend on what pair he have on his hands. 33 or 99 or KK it doesn't matter (if i understood right, T9s means two nines

I don't know how to save themself if they always make it.
If you only base about luck or having luck, then you'll go into Luck-based game. But you are trying to apply your skills and knowledge in a particular game, then skilled-based game suited for you.

Even if you have a lot of money and willing to lose either, but something we feel imbalance if we just keep losing. Might not ask ourselves why not to have this one knowing that there is a big chance to win on there? We need to be smart also in some other ways.

Risk is a part doing gambling so that's already given whether a gambler plays at skill-based or luck-based games.

As long as these gamblers know what are they up to, it's fine to gamble at both.

Forcing themselves to play at those games where they aren't used to just because they saw someone won profit at it shouldn't be their reason why they are doing gambling on those particular games.

My point is that the player must clearly understand the difference. If he wants to make money, then he can try skill-based games. If he wants entertainment, then he must gamble (and almost certainly lose money). But if a person does not understand the difference and rashly starts to gamble, then I consider this an unacceptable risk and it will be good (for him) if he loses.

the other thing to consider is the small probability that either hand makes a straight.

against AA, pocket pairs between 55 and TT are slightly stronger than KK because they are more likely to hit a straight. KK needs 9-K or T-A to hit a straight, which means the pocket AA blocks 2 of his outs to a straight.


two nines = 99
two tens = TT
T9s = 10-9 suited

It depends on my mood. I will choose skill-based if I know that I am skilled enough about certain games. But generally speaking, skill-based games will give you more possibility of winning because it's a matter of abilities and mastery you have.

But there are times that you want to play but don't want to use so much effort. In these cases, we can choose chance-based games and let our intuition and luck play their roles. Though I am not really confident with only depending on luck 'cause I don't think I have so much luck in me. That's why I will go with my skills. Even though we can be very bad at it when starting, skills can be enhanced and developed with practice but luck is not always there. We don't know whether if it would be our lucky day or not.

In the long run, of course, because if you play a game based on luck, you can only win if you are lucky and its fully guaranteed that you will just lose in the long run, regardless of the strategy you are using. That's why I like to bet on sports betting as I believe I have a better chance of winning, and this is a skilled based game that until now I am still developing my skills, hopefully I'll be successful but I am not so eager compared in the past.

I like skill-based because its more exciting and you need strategy and experience in order to win. There's a card game called "tongit" here in our country, you cant just win by luck because strategy is needed to maximize your chance to win.

Chance based game is only depending on how lucky you are. You have no idea for the outcome and so if you're not lucky then expect losing your money. Thats why if you want to earn in gambling choose the game wherein you can use your skills and strategy. But of course luck has a big participation for us to win whatever game you play.

The game became more exciting on skill-based game when you opponent is good, the level of intensity is really different compare to luck base game where the only thing we do is to set and click to roll the game.


But still there are people enjoying playing on luck based game since there are people who love surprise or just bored and they are wasting their time playing on this kind of game.

on gambling its guaranteed you can loose in long run because of the house edge and it does not matter if your play was based on skill or luck . on sports betting game you cant call it as a skill based because ive seen many times that games does not work according to the bettors analysis  . they are confident with thier picks that they choose the best team but at the end of the match , the bad  team manage to recover and won . same as with black jack and other known skill based game too

Understood. Maybe this is reason why T9 is stronger than ordinary pair. Also it has probability to get two pairs (TT-99) and win against AA. Get it.


For honest, the probability to get straight with one card (with pair second card it's doesn't matter) so insignificant, that term "slightly stronger" is counted in tenths of a percent  :P


Yep, a chance to get straight or flush, because of that difference in 3 % (between 19.251 and 22.2). For example, i don't know about that, that it's more chance to win against monster hand with suited cards rather than one pair.

Even the skill based gambling requires luck to so both of them requires luck in the end. Skills just add your chances of winning but it will be useless if you aren't lucky in the day.

If I'm still gambling, I'd rather choose chance based gambling since I don't have any time to acquire many skills that will help me win more in gambling. I'm not that avid fan of gambling and I don't want to spend too much time on it because of my work too.

Either way, different gamblers have different perspective with regards to these 2 things.

Actually, this matter has been looked into before

Many psychologists have been studying how much time you need to become an expert in any field of human activity. The conclusion? You have to spend at least 10,000 hours to reach a master level at anything, which translates to 4 hours a day every day for 10 years on end

And I would also add that in certain domains it is a lifelong journey, whether you like or not (and you'd better do). Put differently, it should be your true calling since otherwise you can't possibly spend so much time and effort on something which you don't like deep down inside. You would start procrastinating straight away

how does it come that challenges is need in gambling?we are playing to win and doesn't care if there is a challenge or not because we are only betting and we are not those who are playing in that said sports.

I made basketball as example since this is my gambling game since i was young.there are different gamblings that we manage to play in this sport so i believe that i have advantage here than other sports .

When you are gambling, there are two types of players and these are Chance base player and the skilled base player. The chance base player is just a happy go lucky player who just want play without using their skills and not studying the game hardly. Those who are skilled players are what we called professional gamblers that can count the cards easily and other casinos are restricting those kind of playing so skilled base gamblers are hard to find a place to play.

Not if there is no house edge, in sports betting there is no house edge since you are can choose the odds you like while you can still get the advantage if you see some value on the odds, in lucked based games, there is no such thing like that, so you will still lose in the long run, imagine even at 1% house edge you will never win if you will gamble for long term, and that's the reason why regular gamblers does not focus on games with house edge.

We are talking about someone who just wants to begin their gambling career, if they pick luck based games they have less chance of getting addicted to it, losing for a good cause even if they lose in their early sates but on luck based games we can't ensure our win on any game even if we mastered that game so we will try pushing harder again and again after each losses.

underpair vs overpair is always a terrible position to be in.

i'm pretty sure suited connectors (like T9s or 76s) are the best possible hand vs AA. but i don't wanna overstate their chances though. there is still only a ~22.5% chance to win with 76s vs AA preflop, compared with an 18% chance to win with KK. it's not a huge difference.

Generally, gambling addiction is the worst and last point of any gambler no matter how skilled he/she is. Winners are greedy as a thirsty person in desert and losers are the wild plants there if we look at the definitions from zero-sum game logic. 0-sum game skills are not enough to beat the house edge in long term gambling, so having decent card counting skills is the only way to beat the house if the shuffle rounds are not more than for single-game deck.

It defeats the purpose of why gamblers gamble though. Most of them wants to earn money so the reason why they bet too.  These gamblers even derive a strategy even when playing in the luckbase games like DICE. They did have some strategy when playing DICE such as martingale, now that means they wanna earn.

The better someone with skills to use it to earn. Chinese Mahjong game seem to be a good game that really needs strategy and skills.

Using up martingale doesnt anytime mean that you do wanna earn or do really have that kind of goal.Some would just trying to extent out their time into their plays but it is unlikely behavior

of a certain gambler to have this kind of mindset and of course we do play gambling for the sake of making money and thats a fact.Only a few who do really have that true motive in mind to seek out

for leisure but on the rest then it would always be on gains.We know the variety or type of games, it would really be just depending on your knowledge and interest.

Yes, but again, regarding main thesis, this is really makes any ass to explode when such things happen. And you can't counter it with your skill. Difference between poker (and any card game, except maybe Preference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9rence) and Bridge) and chess is that in chess any game is depending on skill. Noob would never win against grossmeister, but in poker, with of course a negligible probability, noob can win even on long hand. If he is lucky enough.

This is why I don't like to acquire many skills too that are related to gambling because I know already that it will be a waste for me especially if I can't win on it.

4 hours a day for 10 years is reasonable I think but for some gamblers, the time frame will be shorter as they are spending more time gambling so lets say that they are spending 7-8 hours on it then it will be lessen to 5 years instead of 10 years.

You are right too regarding procrastination of a gambler. When he sees that he can't see any progress on him doing that thing (something like getting profits), they will start to procrastinate and after few months they will stop learning it. Maybe this will not happen if the gamblers is willing to spend his time and he is passionate to learn anything that is related to gambling but I know that most of the gamblers don't think like this.

For me, in chance-based games, luck also has limits that's why in the long run, there's no assurance that you can win cause there's a possibility of losing, compared to skill-based.

In sports betting, you really need to be strategic and have enough knowledge about the game to analyze your bets. Though your skill is only limited to that unless you are not the one playing the said sports. So there's still a possibility that tables could turn. But overall, the chances are more vivid in sports betting than only depending on your luck since like what you have said, your skills in sports betting can be developed. Luck doesn't develop, there are just times that you're lucky but sometimes you're not.

In my own point of view, even you are just playing a skill-based gambling, there is no way you are winning in gambling without having luck by your side. I know skill-based gambling is all about skills and talent, but not all the time you are winning from those because if you are really unlucky you only have a few chance to win.

I agree that during skill games also luck is needed but this is not always the case.I always love to take as an example Texas holdem poker as it can be seen from many different point of views.Even in an unlucky day if you be patient enough it is a sure thing luck will come to you in the form of good card hands after you have been patient enough.My point is in this scenario luck is not always needed,it will come naturally after showing a great deal of patience.

that's also the beauty of poker and why it's so popular.

think of it this way---terrible poker players are still willing to put their chips in the pot with bad odds. they do that because there is an element of chance, and because they win sometimes even as total donks. this is why the pros can make a living playing against amateurs and tourists.

compare that to chess. who wants to play chess against a grandmaster for money? not me! :P

It will likely be a double waste because the time spend this way could have been spent with greater purpose on something else, more rewarding in terms of personal development and growth


You must actually learn something new during this time span

If you are just mindlessly repeating a certain routine, it is not learning (like "he doesn't have 20 years of experience, but one year repeated 20 times"). True learning requires true effort, and it is doubtful you will be able to exert such an effort for 7-8 hours nonstop. We have only so much mental energy, and it gets spent quickly. In fact, learning as such, i.e. applying efficient and effective approaches to the process of acquiring new knowledge (which translates to expertise and mastery of the subject in the long run), is an art in and of itself

What came to my mind. In game where everything more depend on skill, result of every single match is determined on how good you're in this game and even luck doesn't depend on your probability to win. For example, this is being seen in Preference, where not so important which cards do you have, but more affects how do you play. You can finish your game with the best result, even with worst cards. In poker it's harder to do. because some things (like cards on the table) is independent from you and your skill.

Chance based games are more friendly to people who are not a lot of acquainted to gambling.
It is a way to make profit without really understanding the game but it is also a chance to lose more money on that.
Skilled based games need a lot of time to understand and learn the game before starting playing.

Then why there are people who are consistently good with poker?

You are not in control with the cards but you can use your skills in poker, that's why there's what we called "bluff" in poker, if you are good with hiding your emotion or showing your fake emotion, you might likely gonna win more and be a successful poker player, and that means you use your skills.

You are not the only pebble on the beach

As I suspect, there will be enough people willing to play with a distinguished grandmaster like Bobby Fisher and pay for just the opportunity of it. It is like taking a selfie with a celebrity (think Lady GaGa or young Madonna here). Well, you may not like them at all (and I can definitely relate to you) but you can't speak for other people as there's no accounting for tastes, right? In other words, there can be other factors at play

added is sportsbetting because this is skill and knowledge bases game also.

I believe in Roulette there are also some skilled gamblers that winning using their talent though it is only few people.

But of course if we have both and added luck?then we are unbeatable lol.

No, there is no way we can win in roulette using our skills because this game itself is called a chance-based games.

If it's hard for us to win in dice consistently with only 1% house edge or even less, the more it's hard to win in roulette.

according to this article. https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/roulette-guide/understanding-roulette-house-edge/

the house edge of roulette is "2.70%"

Hell yeah and I don't know why theirs people believe that its a skill based game since we are just waiting for the roll to hit the jackpot there's no any strategy or methods will work with this, even if you use any strategy that they now for sure they will find it difficult to win.

Maybe accidentally won for what he think strategy that's why he post that statement here.

Anyways good article I will read that later on.

Skill based gambling are very helpful to gamblers that does want to earn money through gambling but of course there are any other gamblers that have good skills to so winning money is no that easy.

Not sure about roulette but with dice it is possible

Whether it is actually worth your time and effort is another question, though. If you are looking only for money, as in big money, it's probably not worth it (there are better ways to earn a shekel or two). However, if you are mostly looking for fun or have some academic interest in the matter, you can work your way toward earning consistent profits in dice. This is not a rocket science, just a little bit of understanding how random events reveal themselves in practice

I do believe that gambling is based on both skill and chance. If you play a particular game all the time, soon you'd notice a pattern whenever you win or lose. If bettor has a small knowledge of statistics and probability he or she will under its application in every game. On the other there's a small role that luck/chance plays. Someone said that that the difference between skill and chance is long term versus short term thinking.

It's still important that we're knowledgeable about the game although we could win through it by chance. We could win in gambling mostly by luck but having enough skills on how to win is also an advantage. Having an effective strategy and techniques will surely be a big help.

I think everyone in this thread would agree that it depends on which game because there are some that's skill based like horse race, probability based like dice, and a bit of both like poker or blackjack.

as the OP wrote that gambling games are divided: there are which games prioritize skill over luck, but there are also which games prioritize luck only
in slot and dice games all it takes is luck because you just surrender to the image or number that appears

The point is you have to adjust what type of game you like so that it doesn't make it difficult or make you lose

Skill based gambling is recommended when there is a strong intention to win, it is usually the choice of many who do not have enough money to want to gamble for the fun of it. Chance based gambling on the other hand is mostly the choice of those who don't want to stress, but just want to have some fun, they are usually not so concerned that they might looose their capital because most times winning alone by must is not the intent.

If you become a compulsive skill based gambler, you may be able to control it or quit maybe after plenty looses and the discovery that your gambling skill is not sharp enough, but if you become a compulsive gambler based on chance, happenings and other situations may not easily discourage you from wanting to go gamble considering that you do it mostly sometimes for fun.

A better example is sports betting.

There's those luck based that you've mentioned such as dice and as well as roulette too. Poker is a combination of luck and skill? I think it's still mainly all about skills.

Yes, poker relies more on skill and especially in bluffing at the right time and a bit of luck depending on how long you play.
And lotteries are more chances and the only way to increase your chances of winning in lottery or bingo games is to buy more tickets.

From the word itself, "gambling" is a game of chance. But, there are some games that can at least increase the odds on your favor. For example, while you cannot absolutely predict the pool of cards in poker, you may have a vague assumption of the hands of your opponents depending on their facial expression and other different factors. While the game is based on luck, you may increase your chances of winning by adding that extra bit of edge on your favor.

But from its nature, gambling is always chance-based. Even if you have all the algorithm prepared, one cannot just predict 100% the odds.

That's a pretty useful list you've put together and should help newcomers quite a lot. It's worth noting that oftentimes casinos will try to mislead or dress up a certain game so it looks like something else. An example would be video blackjack - unless it is live (and you know the deck count + how often they are refreshed) then you won't be able to get an edge by card counting. Games where the house has full control of the payoutse are all internally engineered to favor them in the long run and players will not get any expected advantage. It's worth knowing the game inside out as well, because the house gets an advantage in 3-card poker which effectively rigs the game against the player - you need to be playing normal games like Texas Hold'em to win with skill.

All gambling games does really need some luck for you to win and it do really differs into those games on how its played and what are factors needing for you to win and its just understandable depending on the type of games you've been dealing with and this is where sports-betting do differs out from dice or roulette games.You could able to determine for yourself on how its been done and what are needed and you would realize
that it is something different when it comes on how you should play the game.Some do prefer on games which are pure luck based and some do likes on dealing with something which is more challenging.

in poker, experience and skills are good elements to increase your chance of winning. though it is still based on luck, it is known that in this game, you can increase your chance. however, it is different when you talk about dice or crash, that's really pure luck even if you apply any known strategy or skill you have. so in gambling, a lot are really making good money those who are into poker or sportsbetting. because if they live and breath those games, high chance that they can earn good profits.

How can there be a pattern if every bet is unique? The outcome is determined by the Client Seed and the Server Seed, so there is no pre-determined pattern to follow. If there were any recognizable pattern, professional gamblers and math boffins would spot these quickly and they will drain the house.

There is a lot of skill and some luck in Sports betting, but even if you are a Sport boffin.... the house will handicap you, if you win too much. Every thing in gambling is geared to favor the house.  ;)  (They need to be profitable for us to play there)

We just choose between the two, skilled based or chance based, I guess I would stick with the Skilled based as you can develop your skill in the long run unlike games that are based on luck where you solely rely on pure luck to win. Sports betting is one my favorites, actually, it's the one that I focus now as I believe in the future I could be consistent just like what I wish myself to be.

Also, the win gives me better fulfillment, so I'm just happy what I'm doing and that makes me last.

Why would choose if you could do both? Dealing with several games on similar time is not really that hard unless if you do really need to concentrate specially when you do play card games.

It does depend on what suits you in because choosing games according to your interest isn't something hard or not that complicated.

Choosing one doesn't really need up any discussion though but most of the time people do really get interested on instant results like dice and roulette.

You can do both, of course, however, the chance of winning in a luck-based game is lower than on skilled-based games, that's what we should put in mind. I saw anyone making a living on luck-based games, but I heard a lot of stories about people making a living in poker and sports betting, and these all belong to skilled based type of games.

I actually enjoy the chance-based games a lot more.

It is very difficult to get good in the skills based categories and generally you will always find that someone is better than you in a particular game. For instance, poker has a very steep learning curve and you're generally going to lose to the more seasoned veterans.

I just want to have some fun without stressing over my decisions. Hence chance-based.

Yes.

Bluffing is a skill and if a poker player is good at it, you'll never determine if he's bluffing or not. Including the portraying of their poker faces if you're in front of them.

Skilled based gambling will definitely need some tutorship from an expert and could be so demanding I will rather go for the chanced bases gambling since even with the best approach you wouldn't guarantee your self a 100%  win. For me both remains a game of chance each time a set myself to gamble i go there well prepared ready for what ever comes my way be it profit or loss

The more time a person spend in doing something the more the chances of getting accustom to the way the is done or function. Game of card is a game of chance which the chances of becoming more lucky to win from random is high combined with skill. Maybe I could say the higher the time spent in learning/doing something, the better the chances of getting it right.

Skill can be attributed to experience that had been gained for doing something for over a longer period of time. If you are good in your game, then the chances of losing can be minimal.

You can actually learn it from your own experience and don’t need for any tutor because I’m sure, you’ll find a hard time looking for someone that can teach you. Skilled based games like poker is not hard at all, you just have to understand the basic things and improve later on, while the chance based are indeed for fun only, like on roulette we play based on our luck.

Sometimes it is true and happening.
however, for those who are often playing gambling and like the challenge, skill-based will be the choice. Moreover, if they are playing with experiences, they will always enjoy playing.
Sometimes, there are some skill-based gamblings that are easier to learn and play. So, this is our own self-decision to pick which games.
But for those who are like what you said, chance-based may be better, moreover, those who have big good lucks.

Im playing both basing up on my mood on that particular time which means i do play dice when i do get bored and when i do see some good sport bets then that the time i do make out some bets

and if i do feel on playing cards then i do play with it and this do basically depends on my mood and my interest and they do really have much difference on how they've been played

and differs also with the risk or odds involved for you to win.The important thing is that you shouldnt consider these activities to be a main source of income.

I think it all depends on people choices. Different people have the one that works for them. Employed or busy people would mostly prefer the chance-based game than the Skill-based. Prolly because they won’t be able to draft out time to learn the basis of skill-based games, how it works and maybe the new updates on that type of skill-based games. So they will always prefer the Chance-based games. Because in Chance -based games, your decision making prowess may only determine the outcome of the Bet but I don’t think it will determine whether you will win or lose. The part of you winning or losing is based on chance and it’s done by the machine. But I think Skill-based is better but if you can master the skills and techniques used in winning games, the you will surely have more win percent.

I agree that it all depends on people's choices but time is not a problem there. I don't see any connection that busy people will mostly prefer chance-based games. What's the advantage?

The choice will depend on how far that person is knowledgeable in a specific type of game whether it's luck-based or skill-based. Even how busy people are if they know how to play that specific skill-based game, they will choose to play on it. Or if some time that they don't feel playing at those, then they will switch to luck-based games.

Totally agree, you're likely to make a sure win on skill based games like that compared to a luck based or as a like to call it, odds dependent games like slots, dice, roullete and lottery. I am more likely to gamble with betting rather than a luck based one because I feel like a lot of people lose more with those games than winning.

The advantage is "relaxin your brain" with playing some lucky-based game and not thinking too much... after a long busy day! It's like that in my case, and in that time it's more likely I will choose to spin some slot, or play dices... usually, I will select a lower bet and just spin it, as I mentioned, without thinking too much, without forcing too much, just brain relaxation! When I have more free time I tend to play more seriously, I have fun with changing bets from lower to higher while chasing some big payouts!

Practice makes perfect, that's why gamblers love to practice to learn more and to be consistent.
However, it's only doable on games that are based on luck, therefore, it's important to focus on games that are proven could make someone win consistent money, and of course, as mentioned, card game, particularly poker is one of those.

If a gambler can practice and manage their money, they will surely improve their skills. But most gamblers will not think much about managing their money instead of trying just to play more and more and that is why many gamblers lose their money in the end. However, if that gambling game is based on luck, no matter how hard we practice, we still have a big chance of losing money without knowing when to win. But if that is about poker, practice can make us become a pro poker players.

That's why the majority of the gamblers are losers because they are serious with their goal of making consistent money, but they don't have the skills in doing it, bankroll management is pretty basic, if you messed up with it, then don't expect that you'll have a profitable journey in gambling.

Actually that's the aim of majority but I think only few of the gamblers earn and that are the people who have proper discipline, although skills is really important but some how we need to be prepared for some situations and learn some ways to exit since not everyday we can earn a huge money of it that's why we set some target profit amount and the one I think decent amount is 20%-30% from our capital winning and the same while losing so that we can secure our daily profit. Although we know that this is not consistent but at least we can assure that once we lose the damage is not huge.

Personally I am a fan of both, but if I had to choose between the two then I am choosing skill based.  Poker is my all time favorite card game or game that you can find at the casino and when I say poker I mean actual poker, none of that online crap or fast play poker, I like poker when you actually sit down, take your time, bluff etc.  When you take bluffing out of the game it's just not as fun.

If you have the time and the passion, skill-based is worth trying you have a good chance of winning in skill-based as long as you know the game, you are familiar with players and the team, you can come out with a winable list, chance-based games are for people who just want to enjoy and get entertained they don't want to waste their time and effort analyzing the game, they just go for the roll or what the cards will bring them and accept them as they are.

I agree about online poker - the dominance of bots plus grinders who, with the help of special software, play simultaneously on 20 tables, completely kills the spirit of the game. I would love to play live poker, but most of my friends are not into it and poker itself is prohibited in my country.

In addition to poker, every game requires skill to choose players need to learn basic skills and tactical awareness during competitive games strategic awareness involves the ability to know your role and to have lasting awareness and the ability to make good decisions on the field. Despite the huge number of club poker its rules are very general and generally the same for each species in the end, the player must collect a combination of five cards whose combination is the strongest win among them.

We shouldn't always rely on luck to win in gambling. We will never improve with that.

We need to try finding a way for that luck to always come to us and improve our winning stats. The strategy on that was only applicable to skill-based games.

Don't expect any skills involves that are needed to beat a house edge games. No one can beat the algorithm intentionally. Pure luck is needed on that part. Other gamblers that are able to stay in the long run on these chance-based games are because they are good at budgeting their bankroll.

Skill-based is good you have a good chance of winning if you prefer this kind of betting, but it's not my stuff I have a job and I do betting just to have some fun throw caution to the wind, and get risky, chanced based is daring to take a chance to win and see if it's your lucky day or your turn to be lucky, that is why dice, mine and crash game are my stuff when gambling 

You might not really know the level of lucky you have or how lucky you can be when you change your style of gambling but the reasons why many persons choose to stay away from luck base gambling is still not clear. Sometimes luck can just appear to you without knowing the outcome. The more you gambler on lucky base game, the more you will get to know what up.

Dont really believed on transferring on other places will really make you lucky because everything is random even if you do deal up with strategic type of games but if luck isnt on your side you would definitely still lose.

People does have different preference when it comes to games that they would like to play because some do like instantaneous type of profits and results and some do really love to deal with those games which

you can make use your skill at your advantage.There's no actually need to choose because its our money to be used so we can do all we want.

As you said people have different preferences. While at the same time, people also have a habit of doing something like a lucky charm to somehow increase their winning rate. In an RNG luck-based game, it's usual to see some different methods to attempt attracting luck. Imagine, in an RPG game where upgrading in most cases is luck-based, characters owners have different ways to increase the luck even they know it's RNG. They will do it based on time, based on location, and many more. What's more in gambling where money is at stake so gamblers not just doing a quick bet.

Nothing wrong after all. Just follow what we think we are comfortable with. :)

Because the chances of winning in luck-based games are so slim, I believe they will shift to skill-based games. We all know that the pot money in luck-based games is huge, but you'll spend a lot of time, money, and effort to win. Skillful base games yield large rewards as well, but you must be a skilled player. But when luck strikes, that's a different thing.

If that is about luck, well, there is nothing we can do to invite luck to come to us, but if we are lucky, the feelings can not express because we will be too happy to enjoy our winning.
A gambler can play gambling on the skills base or luck base simultaneously to expect to win one of those types of gambling games.
Maybe they can win on the gambling games base skills and in the next hour, they can win on the luck on the gambling game base luck.
But no matter what gambling games we will play, we should remember that gambling needs to be controlled to avoid addiction that can come to us.

 In about Gambling for me it's better to use or we incline in the skill-based than chance-based cause in skill-based we can emphasize our moves in order just to more excellent to perform the game so by using our skill there's a big chances to win more cause we already know the movement and we can predict the weakness of our opponent besides of the chance-based it's a probability to win because the destiny know our lucky day if we could win the game.

Nah, I guess they both have in similar percentage/chances of winning. What skill-based gambling is in a huge advantage is you can do something to change the outcome of the game, while pure luck based games has a fixed outcome.
The reason why I said they have a very similar chances for you to win is that, you're still unsure If you win as there are always a good or better opponent than you. Skill-based gambling like Poker also depends on slight luck especially with how you handle when you always have good hands. Bad hands are considered unlucky but you can still win it when you know how to handle your opponent.

The paradox is that profits from games based on luck and profits from games based on skill are about the same (negative). In any competitive activity, the main income is received by those who are at the very top, the rest only spend time and effort trying to get there. In this sense, games based on luck have a definite advantage - you can get the jackpot with the same chance as any other player.

Skill based games are only for gamblers who dont want to rely alone in luck and has time to study the game and apply a strategy to win. On the other side chance based games are exciting because you're clueless of what to expect and luck is the only thing that can make you win. In my case I prefer the skill based games because I like to spend time thinking of ways to have an edge to win.

But that removes the impact of luck-based games. It has its own allure, proof of it is how gambling casinos, lotteries, heck, even loot boxes in games could be included are thriving and are an integral part of the system it belongs to. Both have their own allures, but it doesn't mean that they would shift to skill-based if they really want it. It's just that simple tbh.

imho? There's no such thing as beginner's luck. That's just bs superstition that people want to believe so that they can entice new players whenever they play. Heck, who knows, said beginners luck may have even been manipulated just so that you play more.

Sometimes, a beginner can have better luck than a regular gambler as they do not think about the game and only play based on their feelings. They are easygoing with the loss and still using their money to invite luck to come to them. But in the skills-based, I think the beginner should learn more details about the game to have a chance to win. In this way, I think chance-based will be better for a beginner to play gambling and do not need to have a high expectation to win the game.

I believe in beginner's luck. Maybe you called that superstition but I think that is happening to some beginners in their first experience in gambling. But they do not tell their story to the public and keep them secret for them. I do not know if that has been manipulated or not but I think that is really happening.

Yes that is certain, using fake players that actually have a budget paid by for the house or even worse, the bots, may kill the whole purpose of trying to get better progressively or just trying to play with people of similar skills so that the game is fun and unpredictable. I think that eventually, customers of sites that abuse the system eventually go somewhere else.

As a real player then we should really be aware of these stuffs yet it do really exist in the market where these cheats or deceiving kind of acts could really happen without even you knowing if you arent that mindful.

When it comes on choosing about skill based or chance based or simply rely with luck then this is where people do make choices according into their interest and preference.

Not all that do like dice will like poker and other card games because they do love fast and instant results.

Luck doesn't determine by your status as a newbie or experienced gambler. It is something unpredictable, it can happen to anyone, whether a newcomer or an experienced player. That's why we call it a "luck-based game", it doesn't require experience or certain knowledge to win it. If we can win it with certain tricks, we must call it a "skill-based game". For me, luck didn't always relate to feeling, if we are unlucky, our feeling cannot work well.  :D

We all have the same chances, beginners or not, we can't measure how lucky a person is and if it's going to be with luck-based or even with skill-based.

It's common that there's also an association with luck even if you play the skill-based games but it's mostly relying to how skilled you are including the decisions you do.

You can say that. But I still believe the beginners are lucky because many people who do not know about gambling can win the game without a problem and stop gambling with their money or product. But if they repeat it in the next days, that will not be their luck anymore because luck will move to the other people. Some people feel that this day, they can win based on their mood, but the fact is they will not win easily and even some of them are losing their money. Maybe you already heard about that ;D

It's a myth and there's no data to back it up that if you are a newbie you will likely win, we are all in equal chances once we are in front of the dashboard, yes there's such a thing as beginner's luck, but you never know when it will strike on one beginner, it's not the rule it never the rule, I don't want to invite newbie to gamble and deposit more than they can because of his of chances as a beginner is good. 

Exactly my point. Normally every Gambler should have a knowledge about what type of betting he want to involve in, so there is no doubt that he or she is not grounded in betting. Since the outcome of a bet depends solely on the program setup and not on your selected mode. Chance-base is more preferable for busy people.  You will have time to attend to other things and just put little time on the gambling. Less stress and enough rest of mind. There would not be any be any stress trying to go through any manuals or practicing any form of gambling page in chanced-based gambling when you are a very busy person. You will just go to the bet and allow the chancing play for you.

I wanted to answer on question from "goinmerry"! And yes it's a point, you need to know about the game if you wish to play it, and for some games like poker, you need time as well! You can't think about playing a tournament if you don't have +2-3 hours free minimum! And it's for some ordinary tournaments without re-buys, add-ons, late registrations, in that case with all that tournaments can last a lot longer! One more thing is important, you are tied for the specific time of the game... it's not when you want to play it, it's when it's a designated time for that game you want to play...
While a few dice throws, or with slots few spins are fast, you can't play at any time, from anywhere... and you don't need to be too focused if you play with lower bets without big risks, it's just fun to steal some time or to move your mind from something!

Once you get enter into any gambling platform in online like this, whatever you stated here dude, for the bankroll owner of the gambling site there is no fair game play to each players to their platform whatever category of games it is. You just enumerate in which category is good to play for the players.

While it is true that newbies can experiment good luck during their first few sessions at the same time you are right on the sense that no one can really know when this is going to happen, after all that is what luck is about, it is completely unpredictable, however it is also known that there are discrepancies on the short term when it comes to the actual results you get versus the probabilities to win, however if the person keeps gambling then it becomes inevitable that the probabilities and your actual results eventually match each other.

there is what we called beginners luck and you believe on that didnt you ? obviously .
 i think your right with it because before when im new to gambling , i can win easily but later on i notice that winning is now getting harder  .  sometimes i think that the early wins are a bait for us to continue playing but some people will not try again after they win because they are scared to loose it . thats the mindset if your not a true gambler .

Nope, I don't think so, I think it's a combination of both even if it's mainly skill, I mean if you're against a player who's equally as good as you, you won't be relying on just skills because you're needing those probability in the cards to favor you.

Skill may be required for few cards game etc. But have seen many getting it by luck, at times some are betting say 1000x multiplier and results is 970x etc so close yet so far. If had a good luck could have made that cross 1000x under such circumstances skill is not much needed.

most games that we bet on need skills for the gambler to really have a good result and also, luck is another factor that can help in winning more than what we had imagine or could think. Luck had helped many gamblers to wi bets and at the same time they might lose it back if the fund is used to bet again making then lose on a bigger scale. Gambling is luck most times, and I know there is one or two time we had win bets with having any skill.

Excluding into those games which doesnt really need any skills like dice and roulettes on where you would really be needing for you to just simply roll the dice and wont do anything at all.
This is actually depending on someones  preference because not all is really really that interested when it comes to strategic kind of games.There are lots of games to choose from whether
you do feel to play that game or not on that particular games we do have our choice so this one would really be depending at all.

Okay then so be it if that's what you think.

It already came from you if you're against with someone who's also good as you then whoever is better gets the win even there's the probability with the cards since both of you are also in the same shoe.

You should also add video poker to the skill based category.

I personally prefer chance based simply because I'm not expecting to profit whenever I bet.

If you are seriously wanting to make money out of gambling then you shouldn't even bat an eye on something like Slots, that has historically killed the bankrolls of many skilled players.

I know it, some beginners can have a bigger chance to win, but surely not all beginners. This cannot determine if beginners mostly have better luck, no research or data can explain it clearly. In my gambling history, I didn't think my luck was better once I was a beginner. I think there is no significant difference, what I feel is much better after I have more experience. Although winning luck-based games cannot rely on experience, having experience will be very helpful. At least, I know which one is better to choose, or a suitable game to play for me.

Maybe others are sticking with the idea of beginner's luck.

There's no Science or technical explanation regarding that, as expected, but sometimes it's effective. Been experienced that lots of times. That makes me think that in online casinos, some are program to make new accounts have a better RTP to experience a good payout. It's to give experience for those new gamblers as winning on early days of betting will result in long-run gambling.

What do you mean by fair gameplay? If there were 50% chance winning chance splitted between players and casinos the gambling industry wouldn't exist anymore, because it wouldn't be sustainable. Games have to be profitable for the house owners, so they can maintain their activities, pay for their operational costs and make a living from it to keep offering this service to gamblers.
Actually, regardless skill or chance based games, both categories are profitable only for a small percentage of gamblers, for the reason mentioned above. While luck based games give equally winning chances for every players, skill based games give more chances only for the hardcore professional ones.

How's blackjack considered "Skill based" ? are you referring to cards counting or

Blackjack is purely based on luck all the methodes and techniques you may have seen online are complete BS,They are at the same level as the various "strategies" people use when playing the 50/50 dice game.

At least there is skill involved in blackjack game related to the cards you get in each round of the game. You need to decide what to do with the cards dealt for you, whether you are going to hit, split, double or stand. Some gambler use skills to decide but I guess there are some other gamblers who play it with their own instinct only.

I do not want to invite newbies either because I do not think that they can control themselves. Although there is no accurate data to know how many the beginner's luck can get, that is happening out there and we do not know how many of them will get their first winning. I think that first winning is to get them back to the casino to play the other gambling games.

One person admitted that you could win easily for the first time, but it will become harder in the next game, and finally, we lose. But that does not stop us from gambling as we can feel curious why our luck does not help us win. That happens for some people in their first experience of gambling.

Yes, it is not all beginners. Luck will only select the right person to win and feel that. Having experience could help you to win. At least, you will know when you stop gambling and leave the games. You can control yourself from the next losses and that will only work if you always remember that gambling is not just making money but gambling can make you lose much money.

The goal is to win so even if you don't invite newbies, casinos will invest these newbies are their goal as well to multiply their customers. they will come and gamble whether skill base or chance-based casino games. Most newbies though will just go for the games like lottery and dice.

I have not played a live video poker casino actually and I'm not sure if I could trust this sort of a system. Behind what I could see from the camera is what I worry about here. It's the skills of the house that's scarier than the luck base games.

We can't just rely only on lucks when it comes to card games but also it requires knowledge and skills as well. Maybe if we are in the lottery, that really it only needs luck in order to win but the rest will need both.
As a gambler, I choose those games that I already know, this was the advantage we have and our chances of winning are a little bit high than those who have less/nothing.

putting all card games on the same basket would be a mistake
games like poker are way more skill based and have a luck component included but it's not the only thing, like other games that are way more based on luck

For relaxation, I prefer games of chance. Games that require skill have a significant drawback - it is very difficult to relax while playing them. The more money at stake, the higher the likelihood that you are playing with the most skilled opponent who treats this activity as making money, I do not want such stress when I need to rest.

Why?
I for example only bet on sports games. Of course, I don't bet only on one team, not even on a single championship, but I don't consider it a mistake to bet only on sports games.
Likewise, I don't think it's a mistake to only bet on card games if he diversifies the bets on different games.

Anyway, the skill and preferences of each player are more important in this case.

Skills-based games are mostly PvP because a Casino with a House edge would always consider they win most of the time so it's quite hard to see skill-based games on House edge games unless the edge of playing poker against a casino is very high.

Now Chance based games are Dice and Slots.

Its our own money to use so its up to ours on how we do make out bets according to our interest and preference and theres no other people could stop that or do have the rights on doing so.
Skill based or luck based it doesnt really matter because there's always a time on where you do really feel on playing several types of games even if you are aware about the odds on profiting
or wins but still you do decide to make out some engagement.It all matters with interest and this would really differ on each person thats why decisions do differ too.

I definitely prefer skill based.

It takes a while to master but once you do you can maximise the odds of winning or at least not losing.

For example, BJ has a house edge of 0.5% if you play perfect basic strategy or even a positive EV if you know how to count cards. Compare this to American roulette which has a house edge of 5+%.

Skills based gambling are serious one, you really have to exert effort learning the strategy to win against the house or else you’ll lose same thing in the chance based games where you just click and let the system works, both are risky but still refer to the wants of every gambler, I do play chance based games and I’m lucky sometimes, its very entertaining for me.

Indeed. That's why experience is important, we can realize when to gamble and when to stop it. Sure, gambling isn't only to make money, even it is a bigger chance to lose money. A beginner probably doesn't know when he must stop it, he only thinks that one luck can recover all losses. While an experienced gambler, mostly has a limit to stop when it is likely to have a bad end. Or suddenly stop when the fund or time to play for a certain game is over already.

Of course you would really be needing to be serious for you to take advantage of the game and also with having proper knowledge and experience you could really able to play well unlike
when you do just play without even trying your best or being knowledeable.Each games in the market can really be identified out whether they are skill based or luck based
and choosing which one is depending on your own taste because not all would really be just the same in regarding with their own views.

Those newbies will come to the casino without stop, especially if the casino uses a good promotion to attract people's attention to play gambling. Newbies will select the easiest gambling game to see their luck and if they win for some time, they will try the other games to check their luck.

Many gambling games you can try if you have not played live video poker casinos. I do not play on that game but I play dice or slots, which needs the luck to win.

Unfortunately, not many beginners know when they must stop instead of playing the other games because they think they can win on the other game. That will not always be right because you still have a chance to win or lose, no matter the game. Yes, limiting the money and time will prevent the big loss, so we must remember that. It is not recommended to stop playing when the money is already gone.

either skilled based or chance based still both needs luck to win contentedly , we knew that skills can be adopted and applied in gambling(in some games of course)

i mostly playing in luck based gambling now like dice , roulette and slot machine since i limit my gambling activities nowadays and will only played with small amount and short time just to enjoy my games.

For me they both are same way of climbing the same mountain i.e. losing the money (atleast for me). The irony of chance based game is that once you start you never stop unless you have nothing left in pocket. You start game for relaxation but you get anxiety n stress as you proceed.
These are just my two cents.

Just to make it more clear to others: there is a possibility that newbies will experience good luck, but with the same probability they can experience bad luck as well. I hope you meant what I wrote, and you didn't mean to say that that nonsense regarding "newbies luck" has anything to do with reality. :)


If it's a bait, then who exactly is doing this?  Who makes newbies win? The house? In what manner?

The truth is that such methods are only practised by scammers. It's not like it's an inherent part of any casino.

Same for me. I understand perfectly well that in 99.99% of games I will end up in the red, but that's okay. But when I lose dice I am calm because I understand the mathematical basis of the process, and when I lose to a live opponent I feel stress because it turns into something personal  :D
And I'm glad I don't have a problem to stop on time. I do not have such situations when I exceed the limit and remain without money.

Skill is also an important part of gambling, in fact Without skills in gambling it will be very difficult to get a win like in a poker game, I think with expertise it can certainly produce consistent wins, but in my opinion skill does not apply at all  games, like dice games, slots and also some games that are indeed more based on an opportunity, slot and dice games basically only multiply opportunities and of course luck will greatly affect us in these games.

It's fairly easy to rig a game and we all know that this field is full of scammers. So, as long as we don't know what the casino' owners are doing behind the scene, we should never trust them and always verify everything. "Don't trust, verify!"
To mitigate this risk when playing against the house (dice, crash, slots...), only play provably fair games and verify each round result. When playing a PvP game, make sure you are playing against real players and not bots.

It can go either way, you don't have to be a beginner or an expert to experience such. Most gambling needs skill, but it's only logical that when a player wins a lottery, they tend to risk more in order to earn a higher return, with the exception of the sensible or cautious gambler.
If you lose $8 every day on a bet and then win $30k with a 1000 multiplier one day (this is just an example), there's a high probability you'll keep trying with that multiplier to strike another jackpot, whether you're a beginner or an expert.
Skill is required whether you are a beginner or an expert because it guides you through decision making and avoids making pointless judgments.

We aren't really that dumb to dive in specially with new casino that been floating around which it is just normal that you would really be verifying everything before making any deposits but there are

really people who do easily go fooled despite of just needing up some common sense for you to do so.Luck based or Skill based games are always there and platforms been offering is something

should really be verified when it comes to legitimacy.

That's why I said, "a beginner probably doesn't know when he must stop it, he only thinks that one luck can recover all losses." Read again my comment above!! It is very clear, you must understand it well.

Yep. Many experienced gamblers who set limited funds to play, this way will be effective to avoid too many losses. This should be done because many of us cannot control ourselves when we are gambling, especially people who target to win or getting some money from gambling games. If they are not disciplined enough to limit the funds, then they probably end with huge losses.

This is the reality, some of us do not see the risk in gambling and that made up being irresponsible gambling which is willing to risk everything instead of gambling only what we can afford to lose. Yes, they lose a lot of money and most of them learn it a hard way, and for me, I think it's better than ending up in the street because we lose our job and home because of gambling.

Poker has it's own "house of edge" - rake. So this is not the argument that "skill based games" is only PvP games.
But yeah, I can't imagine poker against casino, this is nonsense as for my imagination. We need always alive people to play with.

Addiction is something that very common to happen when your dealing with gambling.It doesnt matter whether you do engage with luck based or skill based because everything could really be putting you in harm
if you dont know on how to handle up your finances thats why in general sense we should really be that responsible towards this activity or else you would be really be fucked up.
When it comes to choices of games then it would really be on someones interest and it isnt really bad to deal with if you do know on what you are doing.

Much better if you still able to wake up with this bad vice and recover before you get attached and addicted.

There are many gamblers who have that situations. They think that they are still in control and this money that they are using is okay to lose and let go.

Not being aware that with repeated gambling activities, the amount already boomed up to the point that they already exceed and use the money from their savings account.

Maybe luck-based games aren't just OP's cup of tea but for a majority of gamblers out there, luck-based games have a special place in their hearts and their gambling budget. Most gamblers that I know of spend a portion of their gambling budget in the slots or dice games to relieve them of the tension that the outside world, and sometimes even skill-based games gives its players. I myself enjoy playing slot machines even when I rarely win just because. The biggest misconception that people have over gambling is that it's a surefire way of earning money or worse even getting out of poverty for a minority who spends a portion of their salary for lottery games. Thing is that this is nowhere closer to the truth because if you account for probability and statistics, you have a higher chance of getting hit by lightning than winning the jackpot at Powerball or any lottery for that matter. Only gamble what you can afford, and only gamble for fun, that's the way to not lose your money, and your sanity over gambling.

Many people lose control in gambling, including us, but unfortunately, setting the limited funds does not always work for them as they can forget to limit their funds. They want to recover their losses by depositing more money and starting playing, but that only leads them to lose that money. So no matter, we are experienced gamblers or newbie gamblers, we can lose control and once that happens, that can make tension higher.

I remember people were saying something for playing chess game in real world until database driven chess games arrived. So, we like or not, we are going to play poker and all other skill based games (maybe with some modifications) against casino very soon. Innovations in gambling industry is inevitable which means casinos are too keen for bringing new things to make us excited and keep gambling.

Sportsbetting is a skill based gambling but we are seeing it available everywhere. So, house-edge alone not a criteria why we are not having most of the P2P to be available online. Technical limitation and lack of innovations are other probable reasons why we are not having more skill based games in online casino.

There are games, that are purely based on luck or pure no brainer games such as Slot machines and Bingo. Those games don't need much thinking, it's a sit and play type. On the other hand, Card games could be a combination of both. Let's say poker, this game somehow needs you to think and strategize, whether you call, fold, raise or go all-in.
This is the sad reality that we face. When the addiction kicks in, it's like a prison in which we can't get out easily. It's not just about the discipline, but the principle to oneself. We all know that when we start gambling or engage in such gambling activities we already lose something, for the sake of entertainment, we intend to sacrifice our principle and pride that's the thing when addiction plays its game.

This is why it's highly advisable to be a responsible gambler, spend what you can afford to spend not the other way around.

I wonder how many people preferred game of chance and lottery, I still think many users still prefer skill based gambling games because there's a high chance of winning if you have the skills and skills can be developed rather than playing the game of chances that even if you use a good strategy or any kind strategies in betting the chance of losing and wining is almost the same and you don't have an advantage to analyze game and other things that you can do in sports betting.

Chances of winning consistently in skill based gambling supercede that of chance gambling for instance in soccer gambling a gambler would pick a big team whose chances of winning is sure compared to a small team although the odd might be too small, however picking two or three of such a sure bet will guarantee a small winning which if won consistently would add up to extra income, in a chance betting there is a tendency of losing out completely and becoming bankrupt if addicted to such type of gambling, above all moderation and betting with the amount of money we can afford to lose is very important.

I don't have data showing which many people choose skill based or chance based when gambling. But I prefer gambling based on chance,
like Dice or Slots. Because my goal is to play gambling just to find entertainment and not obsessed with winning. But for people who consider
winning in gambling important, there are even some people who make gambling as a source of income. So those who like that definitely choose
gambling based on skill, which is usually a big enough chance to win if a gambler who has expertise continues to choose gambling based on skill.

In the case of a different situation, there are some people who really like to play gambling as their habit and there are some who would like to use gambling as the source of their income. There are people have keep consciousness to their gambling habit and they are not some of them manage to limit the amount they gambling some of them does not even care. It is ideal if we  manage to keep manage our money. There are some keep hoping to keep their money back again and stop but instead they lose more.

Despite the fact that the chances of a stronger team are much higher against a weak one, this does not help the gambler in any way, since the odds offered by the bookmakers take this into account. Whichever team you bet on, you will lose (over a long distance) about the same percentage of your deposit. And by the way, by placing bets on favorites, you will lose a little faster, since due to the bias of betters' interest, bookmakers underestimate odds on favorites.

In a neutral stance, most of us would feel like using our intellect to feel the fairness and chances of winning in gambling but then, perhaps skill is what is hard to come by in a short time, that's what makes us all like the brevity that comes from luck more in gambling, can look at a wide range of gambling topics, although sharing is not perceived as fair in lucky gambling games but very few people switch to the skill category, skill mastery can't increase quickly. Whether obsessed with winning or coming to gambling with pleasure, we prefer the summary to the process, rather than the nagging chase.

I think that at the end of the day it depends on your preferences, I do not expect to make profits either but I prefer skilled based games as to me that increases the fun of the games immensely, games like poker or sports bets are my favorite, obviously luck still plays a factor and it can favor or damage your chances of actually winning the bet so there is still an element of luck there, which in my opinion makes those kind of games completely perfect, but as I said that is my preference and I can understand why some may like something like dice.

You can say that many gamblers will prefer skill base game but there is more to skill base game cause if you gat no good skill in the game, your chances of winning bets might be low losing more than you can earn. To be a good skill base game gambling, you need to have gotten a lots of years experience for playing such game to be very good in the game.

To make things clear, When the player plays against the house, like in slot machines, the game is considered a chance game. When a player competes against other players, though, it is considered a skill game. A player can tell if a game is skill-based if it combines statistics or math skills or techniques.

At this point you are absolutely right, many support that games are better based on skills but in reality when you do not have much experience you lose, and even believing that you know, in my case I do not consider myself an expert or a professional, because just as Than you, I think you have to have played for years, and have experience in a specific game, because in many games I do not believe it, of course many bet and believe that they have more possibilities based on their ability is with poker.

Well said. As someone who has played both skill and luck based game, I agree with your take. But between the two, I prefer playing skill based games instead because I already have an idea of what I would be expecting rather than just leave everything up for luck to decide my fate. With skill, I know when I should blame myself for losses as opposed to being lucky.

Yes, a game can easily be figured out if it is a game of chance. And to those skilled needed games, it's about competition with other players and people will also say that those type of games are a combination of luck and skill. We do not know if we're lucky for the certain day and even if we're too skilled, time will come that we have to lose. Be it that whether you play the chance or skill games, it will still be needing everyone to gamble only with you can afford to lose.

With just using up your common sense then you could really say whether you are dealing with skill based or luck based and this is the time on where you do really make out some judgement whether you do like to play dice

and similar games which are really that purely relying on luck and some games that you do need to think off well for you  to be at least have some advantage but wont be always a guarantee to make profits.

Its all about choices and preference because each of us does have its own interest on things.

We have different likes and dislikes, I really don't like lottery games since the chance of winnings is really low but the profit is definitely high. In regards with provably fair games such as dice games and roulettes I really do like those since there's some kind of excitement but just like you I do like the skill-based gambling especially sports betting and blackjack where in your decision have effect to the outcome of your bet.

You don't have to take it seriously, just gamble the lottery for fun, sometimes I bet on the lottery but I'm not really expecting that I have a high chance of winning, if I'm lucky that's it, I will win big and be happy, but if you are consistently betting on this regularly, then for sure you will accumulate big loses.

Some of us dont like games that require skills in order to have an edge to win because we know its not that easy. Thinking of strategy maybe a stressful idea but if you really want to win you need to exert an effort because the chance will depend on how good you are plus with luck. But I still prefer to play a skill based games because you're not only depending on luck but also with your knowledge, skills and strategy. Nevertheless we have our own preffered games what important is we enjoy the game and has satisfaction.

;D yea gambling should not be taken seriously or else you might end up losing your money and becoming psychologically meltdown. Let's gamble for the fun and probably the money that we can make not making things hard for ourselves. Gambling on a lottery game can be interesting when it is done in group with friends. So the chance of winning might be slim but it eventually one wins the gain will be massive.

That will be different for pro gamblers since they make money from gambling and have skills in that gambling games. They can seriously play gambling because that will relate to how much money they will use to gamble and make money. But yes, the regular gambler, they do not have to treat gambling seriously and only search for fun. When playing a lottery game with our friends, maybe we can get fun as we can enjoy the game, especially if we can talk while playing so we do not feel bored playing the games.

in fact even if the person takes gambling to the side of fun that person will lose money and you cannot forget that money is something valuable and even if the person is playing for fun this person needs to focus and strive to win, It makes no sense to play for fun and just be losing constantly, if you are going to be losing constantly then it's better to give up


i hate lottery, one can buy tickets constantly and never win, years go by and never win is stressful

Well either of these two skill or chance I always have a bad luck every time I played in any of the gambling site platform.
Perhaps, the only gambling I went through at this time was Bitgame and Betfury, and every time I played in the gambling just for fun
instead I'm not taking it seriously as my own personal income due to I know there is no stable profit in the gambling anyway.

That would be the perspective for people who only settle gaining personal satisfaction rather than thinking to earn and try to make gambling as their source of income since if this is the case for sure a pure frustration we might gonna get for that situation.

I myself stays on old casinos here I don't want to disclose their name to avoid free advertisement but so far I'm enjoying the offers and service what they provide to their gamblers.

You are not alone if you feel like that because many of us have the same experience of losing in gambling. Some of us are still trying to play skill-based games and chance-based and hope that they can win in the next few days. It seems they do not stop because they still think that they will get their money back plus make some money from the games. You are good if you use gambling for fun and that is what it should do.

I agree that we have our own preferences and choice if it's about gambling. We have differences and determining the type of game is easy. And as someone who has liked both types, we can just play whenever we want and just shift if we're not lucky with the other.
In some luck games, they'll apply their skill as they say but if you ask them what skill is that, they'll tell that it's just about martingale which we usually really hear and see from the others.

No matter how skilled you are when it comes to a certain game, your chance of winning or losing is still something to be considered. We should know that some gamblers prefer to have more advantages by enhancing their skills which we also have to be mindful of. Your luck still depends on the effectiveness of your strategy.

I don't really believe one must skillful for one to be successful in playing gambling as almost all of them are based chance or luck for you to be successful while playing and not necessarily your skills. What we should have at the back of our mind is that we playing against the gambling company and the odds are against us to lose so that they will make profit. So, if you successful just note that it happened out of luck and mainly your skills.

Most common from those gamblers who played luck based games,

martingale, reverse martingale or any other strategy that is based on the same concepts.
We do have differences as we wanted to try our luck when playing.

So as with skills based gambling, when you deal with it even you have good strategy
it's not guaranteed that you are capable of winning from time to time.

It's always depends on how you percepts and understand the concept of the game.

what I meant is that you can't classify all card games as the same since some are more dependent on luck and others have more skill involved
not exactly about betting

in terms of betting I think it makes sense to specialize on one style only or some style instead of going more general

It means they are not disciplined in limiting their funds. It is actually a choice, you can gamble without limiting your funds, but with the risk to lose bigger money. While another choice, we can try to be discipline to limit funds, this requires seriousness and consistency. Of course, limiting funds here isn't a theory only, but it must be applied whenever we play gambling games. It won't have an effect if limiting funds is a theory only.

It's really hard to resist to continue gambling when already on the limit. That's the reason I don't like this setting a budget as it won't work for me. What I do is, force myself when I feel something not right is happening or having a continuous losing, I will try to stop. In a case that I'm winning already, I will try to stop.

Practice makes perfect. It's hard at the start but when gaining experience, we will used on doing it.

Not many gamblers can do this, especially for beginners. You can consider using this way if you are experienced enough, have a good feeling, and have no problem with self-control. For me, this will be a harder way for beginners, limiting funds should be easier to understand. Well, each gambler may have a different way. So, if you think limiting funds won't work for you, you don't need to apply it to your gambling strategy. It is just one of the ways to avoid big losses, you can use other ways as well.

Of course, they are beginners so many won't able to do it first. Read my next statement after that, practice makes perfect so eventually everyone will learn it automatically and their gambling habits will be changed in the long-run.

Yes, I don't to apply that budget limit on my gambling strategy because it's not really working for me. Being responsible to gambling takes time. Sometimes a big loss is necessary before learning how to become a responsible gambler.

I disagree with your classification the Blackjack is not a skill based game according to me, it's a game of chance like the hi-lo game or sic bo game as you've mentioned.

Indeed, sometimes we need to experience big losses to realize the mistakes we make when gambling. Then finally we can slowly change our
bad habits when gambling, because I did not find a gambler who immediately became a responsible gambler, all gamblers will definitely make
mistakes when they start gambling. It must be admitted that it is not an easy thing to be a responsible gambler, because like you said sometimes
it takes time to become a responsible gambler. I also had to go through a long process to become a responsible gambler.

It depends on the person, everyone starts being a newbie in gambling, and don't tell me that all of them suffered from addiction or commit mistakes in gambling and they just learn in the long run. No, some people are just responsible enough, they understand the risk and their chances of winning in gambling before they start the actual gambling, so they are not facing a problem like an addiction.

Gambling addiction is happening to few people only, and these people experience gambling addiction because they are irresponsible, that's the truth.

I think that gambling based on chance is more reliable and easier for beginners like me too. skill-based gambling is difficult, especially for me, who is still a beginner. Gambling does not only rely on luck but also requires skill in it and that is a difficult thing. need knowledge and also practice often so that we also have a lot of experience. Many people experience losses just because they don't really understand gambling and just go along without having the basics or skills. so it should be underlined that not everyone can be so lucky to gamble if we don't have good skills or experience.

In most cases related to this, there are many gamblers who losses their money due to lack of understanding,

They mostly hoping for luck to back them up, which is no one can control about it. Some lose a huge amount
of money after continually playing.

You really need to work things out accordingly. Gambling can do harmed and not just a simple one but it can damage a huge
part of you, both with financial and emotional aspects

Sounds unrealistically to me, to be honest. Do you personally only play provably fair games and verify each round result? I seriously doubt that. :)

After all, gambling is supposed to be for fun, and there's not much fun in constant verifying. I think it's enough to check on the reputation of the site in the gambling community, and then if it's okay, you can play there without fearing to be scammed.

Too many strategies and the martingale is the one that's common for those lucky based games and that's really one being applied and even being spread on the web.
I've seen content creators and random videos that are talking about it and the comments that I've seen there are giving the strategy a credit but it's not really working for all.

I would not do that if it's in my case, it's time-consuming and it will just kill the excitement that I like to feel when gambling.

Thing is, if a gambling site is reputable, they would not attempt to cheat anyone or cheat even just in one roll because if they get caught, that would destroy their reputation and their business could go bankrupt, that's the big risk for one mistake.

Same here.

Verifying every bets is crazy. Is there a person who really do that? Just choose reputable site and trust them as building a reputation is hard that unlikely they won't do some cheating. For average gamblers too, they don't know how to verify results since they just want to play.

If lose, don't think there's a cheat. That's why they called chanced-based or luck-games.

It is difficult if you don't know the game and I suggest not to gamble if you don't know the game of familiarizing it.
For example, you are not familiar with poker which is mixed that based on skills and base on chance, if you don't have an idea of how to play, it will always end up losing. Not like if you know how to play with it, there is a chance that you will win or avoid a long losing streak. Based on chance/luck games are also very easy, dice and roulette even a kid will do this.

It's been a while since I read this topic and I found this list very interesting!!

How I like gambling to enjoy my free time. I believe it's valid to bet on games that involve skill, as unfortunately I'm not lucky for anything in my life lol!

Many people think in the same way as you but I'm not sure it's the most efficient way of thinking about the matter. Skilled games where you can earn money are usually occupied by the most skilled guys, then your chances of winning are in reality mostly smaller than the ones you would have at a random game of chance.

In the end, everyone has their own preferences. If you think you are not comfortable with either of them, don't force yourself to play on that. I do like skill-based games but it doesn't mean I won't try those luck-based. In my history of betting on luck-based, there are numerous times that I won a good amount. I like to have the experience again that's why occasionally, I do bet on casino games especially slots, and rely on my luck on that session will come to me.

Yep, that's true. Not all gamblers become addicts, some can avoid addiction by applying proper strategies. One of the examples is to limit the funds, that's one of my preventive ways to be not an addict. Maybe it cannot work for other gamblers, but it is an effective way for me. We know the chance to win isn't so big in gambling, so no need to push us using money in a certain game. Also, limit the time to play that game, so we don't use too much time on that game. It is a good way to avoid addiction, IMO.

Don't think about that you are not lucky for anything. Not encouraging you to test a luck-based games but you can test playing at casino games for a small amount just for experience. A minimum bet is sometimes playing at $0.2. If you have a bankroll of $50, that's a long-time playing already. For $0.2, you can hit a good reward up to $50-$100 if the said casino offers a big multipliers and lots of free spins. If I have a time, I will browse some Stake.com casinos where your minimum bet can get a good multiplier. But don't forget it's gambling. Just giving you some preview playing in a luck-based games.

I'm not sure about that because the best way to avoid addiction in my opinion is to lose money. People usually only start to understand they're addicted when they encounter big losses or long losing streaks. Then if you are limiting your losses, you'll always still be able to gamble and you will continue.

Read carefully my comment above, what I said was "one of the ways", NOT the best way. I also state that it is my own way to avoid addictions, not recommended to all gamblers. Sure each gambler has their own ways, so which one is the best depends on the gambler. Limiting funds is also not a must to do, I have many times stating that it is one of the possible ways to apply. So, it is a choice, not something a must!!

You are right there. I even pointed that gamblers will just learn if they will lose big. That's the moment they will realize that something not right is happening and that will be the gateway for them to understand what's going in. It also has a good result as while gamblers are continuously losing, they will be more responsible to avoid it and will try to minimize their losses as best as they can. That's where being a responsible gambler starts.

The point is that it all depends on luck or is driven by each other's luck. Although it is true that sometimes skill can trigger winning, but still in general, everything that smells of gambling is driven by luck. It's just that the difference between the two is in the game system and what is prepared to trigger our luck.

Maybe you are not lucky in gambling but I am sure you are lucky in other things. No need to feel sad if you are not lucky in gambling because gambling is just for fun and as long as you can enjoy your free time, that will not be a problem but you still need to manage your money. I do not have big luck in gambling because it is not easy to have control when playing the game. But I can still enjoy the game so maybe we do not have to think about winning and only search for fun.

what if luck is just randomness interpreted in a biased way by us?
also, as the ocean, sometimes the tide is high and sometimes is not

I see luck like that, so even  @gagux123 can get luck at some point

related:
https://www.wealest.com/articles/four-kinds-of-luck

I think that nowadays big wins like Jackpot are most likely called luck, usually this is a huge amount compared to the average player's spending on gambling. And unluck is too long a series of losses with good chances (even 50/50), for example, if a person from time to time bets on his favorite team and after that it always loses, then he calls himself unlucky.

This is not really accurate, regardless of who you are playing against as the name implies a skill-based game is one where you skill has an effect on the outcome of the game itself regardless of how much luck its inherent to the game, for example poker and blackjack are two examples of skill-based games in which your skill has a great effect on whether or not you can win but the main difference is that in the case of poker you are playing against other people while in the case of blackjack you are actually playing against the house.

yes, makes sense, I was just playing the contrarian a bit
not sure what my opinions are on luck/no luck
when it comes to blind luck

I really prefer to organize my life in a way the I have luck type 2, 3 and 4 more often, and if type 1 comes, well, I won't deny it.

That's what we said "learning from mistakes". But that doesn't mean we must do mistakes first to understand it, we can learn from others' mistakes or other stories. Also, there are already many sources that telling us how bad the impacts are if we gamble carelessly. So, there are many other ways to understand the risk of gambling, it is not a must to do mistakes to build deep understanding & good awareness.

We have so many ways to find information's regarding on what we want to do and those discussion made by people who have same interest with you is really helpful since we can get an idea to them to learn something from their experience so that it will not cost us any huge damage if we try it out for ourselves and also for sure those past experiences made by other gambler will be a good basis to not commit same mistake they do and execute better strategy to increase the chance to win on the bets we made.

As for skills, I can tell you the following: quite often we are encouraged to use demo versions of games or trading to develop skills.  For example, in the forex market. 
So I responsibly inform you that no demo versions will allow your skills to develop, but will only aggravate irresponsible behavior.  Because as soon as you start playing a real game for real money, everything will be different at once.  Demo versions serve to make you have the euphoria that you are a professional.  And then you will lose your money much faster. 
It's better to play right away than to learn in the demo.

Maybe we have different views about luck but I agree with the article you gave to us. Yes, the biggest luck could be blind luck as we do not know when that luck will come. Many of us have luck because of preparation, motion, and uniqueness, which helps us win the gambling games. But I think luck can come to us in other things, not just in gambling games so it is better to use that luck that we get from other things for our benefit.

Demo versions of gambling only allow you to master the basics of gambling.

It's impossible to become a great player by playing the demo version of the game.

This is true if the game is based on the player's skill and not just luck.

I'm talking about famous games like poker and blackjack. In order to become an excellent poker and blackjack player you need to have a wide range of skills.

For example, you need to be fluent in psychology and acting. You need to develop math skills. You also need to train short-term memory.

Demo versions helps you a lot to learn and practice your skills. It is possible to become good players with the demo version especially if we are talking about online gambling (poker). Psychology and acting wont work in online poker as you are playing other players face to face, you do not know how your player's act and vice versa.

encouraged by ? not by the owners i believe but maybe the users around us once we ask for tips on how to get good at gambling .
 if you dont have a money its not possible to play right away especially if the gambling site dont have a faucet , dont allow zero bets or any kinds to play the game without a balance .

not really , what if your a beginner ?
 but thier true purpose can be to try the game and some can find happiness if they cant afford gambling with real money .

That's what I'm talking about, guys. Find several reputable gambling sites(using this forum is your best bet, imo), and play on those sites re;axed and without second thoughts which might ruin your gambling experience. Of course you can verify your bets from time to time if it brings more fun to the game, but only for that reason. :)

Exactly what I was saying, it's a combination of skills and statistics, I remembered a line in one of the movie that I watch, it says there that it's not enough that you have the skill but you need to also have luck as well.

You are right in what you say, I do not know if you have tried playing with the slots in this case, if bets of 0.2USD are made it is very likely that in any of the slots that stake.com has you can find a good multiplier and leave with excellent profit, and precisely in my case when I play the slots when I have that touch of luck sometimes I recover or even remain neutral and it helps me to play another game.

In the case of Poker and Black Jack it could be said that poker does require skill, in the case of Black Jack there are some technical arguments that serve, such as card counting and if the cards to play are with two masses that everything changes but they exist strategies to follow. You are right in what you say, I do not know if you have tried playing with the slots in this case, if bets of 0.2USD are made it is very likely that in any of the slots that stake.com has you can find a good multiplier and leave with excellent profit, and precisely in my case when I play the slots when I have that touch of luck sometimes I recover or even remain neutral and it helps me to play another game.

In the case of Poker and Black Jack it could be said that poker does require skill, in the case of Black Jack there are some technical arguments that serve, such as card counting and if the cards to play are with two masses that everything changes but they exist strategies to follow.

yes, for sure!
we even have some popular sayings like "fortune favors the bold"
and in Brazil some say that when you're lucky on games/gambling you may have no luck in love, and the opposite too (luck in love, no luck in games/gambling)
hahaha, I like this kind of knowledge that is disperse around society... cool to think about it and how it build culture

In fact, it is not entirely clear to me why these points are attributed to luck:
2: "Luck From Motion" - It is obvious that the one who acts will always get more chances from life than the one who does nothing, which means that his "gain" will be greater.
3: "Luck In Preparation" - a prepared chess player is always more "lucky" than a less prepared one, this is obvious.
4: "Luck Unique To You" - it is natural that if you are a unique expert in any field, then your knowledge will be highly appreciated by the market (and maybe even higher due to the lack of competitors).
In general, I agree with you and I also try to have such luck accompany me in my life.

Agree with this because most professional gamblers have skills and a strategy, which is why they win, and luck is also present, which strikes at any time. Still when talking to gambling it is not enough to have skill or strategy this could boost your winning but when the unlucky hits you whether what you do you could be losing at all but if you do have strategy you can have edge from winning it compare to those who don't have

When using the demo version of the trading terminal a person does not experience emotions that prevent him from correctly assessing the market situation and adequately calculate the risks. Demo versions were created so that we could get acquainted with the terminal operation and practice our skills without losing real money.

Absolutely, it's different when you are doing it in an actual way because you are risking real money and it cannot be avoided that you will feel the pressure as you always think of a way on how to win. Demo version is just like playing a game, it's okay to lose but in real life, you will feel bad when yo lose.

Demo gaming is something cant really be considered to be that thrilling or exciting because you do know that theres nothing you can lose which means you can bet out in full scale without worrying but if you do won
then it cant really give out that kind of happiness unlike when you do make out some real money bets on where you could really feel the thrill and excitement and of course you would really feel out
frustrations too on the time you would suffer continous losses.It doesnt matter which game you are engaging into because there are varieties and types that we do have in the market.

That's true.

Demo is just a trial and nothing to be excited about.

The thrill is with real betting and your money is on it and that's why you have to be good if you're playing skilled games or take your chance and see if you're lucky if its the other game.

I don't understand why that demo becomes a topic as no one says about that thing here. It's too obvious that it's not thrilling as that's why it is called a demo in the first place. The purpose of it is to give the user insight or preview of what sort of platform they will goes into.


I totally agree there. In my stake.com experience, I always bet on a minimum bet which is $0.1 to $0.2. If lucky, if we hit that free spin, or high lines combination, that can turn into a good prize in return. Also doing it on play-in. A $0.2 bet sometimes costs around $15-$20 overall. Worth to try if expecting a rush play.

It will be different when you use the demo and real versions because the emotion will become high and it is not easy to prevent that, especially to calculate the risks. But demo version can help someone learn more about trading and that can be a way to apply and learn about the strategy that he can want to know more about trading. When he enters real trading, he can have skills that will be useful to him to analyze the market, but he still needs to think about how to manage his emotion. I think that is also needed in gambling as we need to manage our money.

While demo version of games may seem like just a 'trial version', but for skill-based games, it actually hones your skills literally, so you can't belittle those demo versions, of course, there is no thrill considering you don't have anything in stake or at risk when playing demo versions, and you also gain knowledge at it while risking nothing, although, demo versions tend to give you much more consideration to the game or the difficulty usually is easier than the real game (based on my experience on some games, at least), when you're money is really at stake.

I will go with skill based, I've played based on luck for a very long time but I've never won anything, this made me believe am not good with luck, so I did rather take my destiny in my own hands rather than depend on luck.
And even outside gambling, one has a higher chance of succeeding in something he or she is very skillful at, take trading for example, one who trade based on luck never can have the kind of success one who already has the skill have.

I tried to make a rebuttal about this but it seems that this makes a lot of sense with the reality.
because basically a lot of wins like this jackpot, of course, goes through a series of many rounds and this of course requires a lot of time and capital.
actually this is a basic concept that exists when in gambling because of course every dealer must have a way to make settings as if this is natural but in fact it is a setting that is made.

How did you try to make a rebuttal? Maybe you will write in more detail, now I do not understand your idea very well.
As for getting the Jackpot, it is clear that to get it, you need to make hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of bets, but this condition is compensated by the fact (for casual players) that there are a lot of gamblers and in total they easily reach the required values.

Actually, if your main purpose is to win consistently, you should know that skilled-based game is good for you. Luck-based games does not give you consistency but at least it will give you more fun (based on my experience). You can try whatever you think will give you a better chance fo winning, but always remember that you should not take the entertainment as it's very important to survive and enjoy gambling in the long run.

I prefer to play on skill-based gambling, because it entertains mo more and in that way I enjoy playing it and I also get to exercise my mind than doing nothing other waiting for the results of your bet and it bores me.

But I don't usually participate in gambling activities, depending on my mood wether I'll play or not. Still luck always play a huge role whatever gambling activities you're into, you can't always win even if your knowledge and skills are high. Eventually, the owner will always win.

I guess you should try participating or gambling in a skill-based game as it brings different feelings when you are already playing, who knows, you might be one of the most successful gamblers in the world, that possibility would not happen if you will not try.

one would be able to argue that only true luck is type 1 luck, blind one and the other 3 are opportunities and not exactly luck.
as with any model we can discuss the possibility

brought the idea here because I like it as one of many possible paths

Skill based gambling also can put yourself under pressure if you are not getting the results as you expected for long time si the entertainment part is getting nullified there for me the luck based games are more fun and real entertainment since you can convince that its not your day even if you lose.

It's similar strategy with the trading demo, you will be easily to made a profit but in the real situation isn't same. I'm more prefer to learn on twitch or youtube rather than a demo version because when we watch someone play he's play with real money and real opponents. We need to understand how to beat them in real money, IMO learning in demo version is just time wasting.

For me luck based are more fun because I don't need any effort and skills, the jackpot from slots is actually more interesting for me.

Skill based games can give a great sensation to the players compared to luck based games, I have to admit it. I think skill based games can be considered as real gambling because players don't just rely on luck, but they also have to put their skills first to win. Although I mostly bet on luck based games, but I like some skill based games.

Agree, as you can see that there are professional gamblers that at rich now and also earning big from playing gambling . Though i am not fun in the gambling but i am really amazed about this since they are really earning big, as my self i thought that gambling is all about luck but there are games that bases the skills and also with luck. I do play gambling but it is for only fun and also only those simple ones since i cant really understand those complicated card games.

I'd say Poker is best if you're into Skill based gambling.
Also, there are this hand sign game where u go player vs player and select a hand from Rock, Paper, or Scissor and the best one wins, I could be totally random but if you can read the opponent correctly after a few games then it's quite skilled to win

When I see/hear professional gamblers in a skill based games, I always think of POKER, and though these are a skill-based game, the main skill that these players have is trickery. A skill to convince other players to believe what you are trying to make them believe. And it is pretty impressive, but generally if you think about it, its 90% luck game. Because even though you try your best to trick, the outcome is still not sure to be in your favor.

Though I myself love playing card games over other gambling games out there, as I prefer these games to be fun, exciting and challenging.

Despite knowing the fact that we will end up in loss 99.9% of the games we played we still opt to take chance and lose money. 
I do gambling with certain amount and once its gone I prefer to quit the casino with my favorite drink in hand that helps me in over coming the anxiety caused by the gambling. Though there are many gamblers that take huge cash from same casino.

Haha that's quite funny "Knowing the fact and still ending up in loss"

Casinos actually don't benefit from house edge as much they do from human greed for more.

When a gambler continues to bet more and more than their odds to make more decreases with every percent they want to make after the initial bet and all the gambler thinks is "One more win and double on loss" But that ends up badly especially in dice.

Gambling is simple if you don't chase profit from it. You can make yourself feel happier while gambling but you will only feel it when you are at the table not on the gambling platform. Things will change when money becomes the main reason why someone should gamble regardless of whether they have the skills or just rely on luck. Now the choice is up to each of you, have fun or make money. I'm on the second choice.

lmao, that's my 2nd time explaining this.

It's easy said than done that people won't chase their losses. I've seen people saying they won't but at the moment they set aside their past commitments and goes on a huge losing streak after continuing to chase the losses...
That sucks for them tbh.

definitely, for skill based games Poker is one of the best in terms of gambling
I'd say it is the 'chess' of gambling options

do you see any other games that are more based in skill than in lucky?

unfortunately only a small number of people do that and those who do that are only people who are already in a rich context and don't need money :)
it is not without reason that many gamblers now only gamble just to get more wealth, especially now that the era is already very severe, especially in the economy because indeed all activities are hampered due to the virus which until now has not been able to be overcome.
and one of the things that can make money is gambling, even though it is not really right because compared to profits, there are more losses, but many are trying to do that.

Black jack and Baccarat.. These card games would fit out on that criteria which means that it do involves skill not as much as hard as Poker though but still on that same category.

Actually there are few people who do stick out with these kind of games because not all would really be that interested and only some people and they do prefer most games which are luck based ones.

Must agree, unlike many other games Poker is the rarest one where one can use their skills to increase their winning chances.

Of course, this is assuming that the system is fair and transparent! Usually, it is easier when playing in a group as opposed to playing against the system directly.

In any case though, gambling doesn't often combine skill but there can be a tiny exception (as mentioned above) which some users just take for granted, but hey it is all a matter of tries right?

Sorry for the late reply, I just received the notification about your comment.
Yes, I only play provably fair games. There is a provably fair version for every game am interested in, so it's not really a problem.
Checking the fairness of each round is not as hard or time consuming as you might think. Because you don't verify each bet individually, but you verify all the session's bets at once and it takes only few seconds.  

When you say "take" do you mean win? Probably, after all, the sums are not so huge, otherwise they would have simply ceased to be allowed there  :D
I did not play much in the casino and I cannot say that I experienced any special emotions winning/losing (the amounts were small), but for example, when I place bets on sports competitions, even with the minimum bet, when watching this competition, my emotions sometimes go off scale, so yes favorite drink is good way to relax.

That's the purpose of it.

That's why they're putting a demo or trial version for everyone to try out and they can have an idea how to improve themselves on it.

Much better if there's no time limit or balance.

Though the trial games are quiet lag most of the time, I agree that its purpose is to give you knowledge about the games and how you can win on that game, mostly slots game have this feature. Skill based games required your total effort on learning the process, trial games might not be enough for you to learn since the actual always give the best experience. I’m also more into chance based games like slots and dice game, I find this one simple and profit is really possible.

Can't complain about it if it's lag or not.

There's already the trial so there's no complain from me but maybe you can suggest that to the casino that you've experienced lagging.

So they will improve it.

Interesting write up but why is sportsbetting not in both categories of chance based and skill based?? When you say chance based I want to believe you are talking about gaming with nothing less than luck??

It would also be nice to see which of the strategies would leave  a gambler walking our with profit and not empty pockets because when it comes to gambling  no matter how skilled you are you are likely to lose your money to the house.

Try to read again the first post. Sports betting was of course categorized as skill-based.


You are correct there. Chance based = luck-based

No strategy is involved. Just wait if lucks hits you.


You can't defeat a house that's for sure but there are lots of gamblers who already won the big jackpots playing at luck-based games. The same goes for skill-based. But to summarize, that was gambling and there's no assurance if a gambler will win big or lose regardless of what type of games they played.

Unfortunately, it is not as simple as we assume. Most people target profits (money) when they are starting to gamble. You must realize that people come to gambling sites mostly for money, only a few people who gamble for fun only. I have some friends who play gambling regularly, and none of them who play for fun only.

Indeed, the reality is that more people play gambling because they really want to make a profit, there are even some people who think that
playing gambling is an instant way to get rich. So it's not surprising that many people end up addicted, that's why playing gambling is not
as simple as we imagine. We sometimes have to control ourselves when gambling, because it is not easy to control ourselves when playing gambling,
especially when we experience losses. Always comes to mind to cover the losses that we experience and that is the beginning of the problem.

I don't understand. We gamble because we are expecting something in return. Therefore, we are chasing profits.

Playing for fun? It's more fun when winning. That's my always goal and I'm not playing gambling just to have simple fun and just let go of my money without doing anything. Don't just treat gambling for fun. It's not fun to lose even you afford to lose that amount. :)

sportsbetting is considered to be skill-based because if you have good knowledge with sports, like if you live and breath that particular sports, your chance of winning is high. that means it is more on skill-based though luck is still  part of this game. you have high probability to predict the outcome if you are well informed on the particular sports.
whereas, luck-based games, it really relies on your chances. even if you apply strategies like martingale, still it is your luck that will give your chance of winnings.

If they think that playing gambling is an instant way to get rich, they are not fully wrong because we can see that some people can have their luck to win big money in some gambling games. But that will not work for most gamblers because that will depend on how good their luck is. The number of people who become addicted is also increasing because they think that playing gambling does not need much to prepare, so they still play even if they already lose their money. If they lose in the chance-based gambling games, they will try playing skills-based gambling games because who knows, they can win some money and recover their loss.

There are many sports forecasting competitions (where points are awarded for correctly guessed results) and this is separate from gambling.
Betting where there is a bookmaker is pure gambling, since the bookmaker always has an advantage and even if you predict better than his team of analysts at a distance, you will lose due to the fact that the results in sports have a random component, but the bookmaker's advantage is constant.

Its too hard to tell to the gambler player who losses a lot because this time its the part of the mental state of the person to keep playing or not. There's a chance they want to urge more to play because they lose a lot and the only chance to bring back all of those losses is to play another round of gamble. In some instances, some of them want to stop and try again with another day because they think they cannot good to earn profit. Once negative ambiance comes up there's a probability to have a dilemma.

For me all gambling games were all risky whether it's skill-based or chance-based, the difference between skill-based and chance-based is you will not see the win probability in skill-based and in chance-based you can see but both are just the same but I think sports betting is much popular but very prone to fix games or cheating.

Yes, I know it. But I don't think that's the crux of the matter because basically every gambler should gamble responsibly whether they want to make a profit or for fun as the goal.

You are not wrong because I know that what you are describing is a fact of gambling and gamblers. I realized that I also feel the same way about gambling so I understand enough and how to position myself and my gambling desires so as not to cause a lot of problems, especially for finance.

Skills in gambling may be able to help gamblers to benefit from the games they are good at. But still I'm not sure that gambling will be worth it as a job that can help them earn money in the long term.

And unfortunately this is the truth, even if a person is not gambling to make profits and they just want to get fun at the same time it is impossible to not keep count of how much money you have lost in the session and how many times you have lost in a row, after all we know that once your money runs out you cannot gamble anymore, so when luck does not play in our favor and the session has been going badly for some time it is very easy to turn from a gambler that just wants to get some fun to someone that chases their losses.

Gambling is already a risk game because it's a high-risk reward some people want to play with the chance game because the odds is so low but the profit or the reward is so high some of them chilling just pull the lever or click the button and wait for their profit, some people use their talent and skills to use in a skill base game like the table top games, even in e-sports and sports betting all you need is to identify the skill base of the player and the team itself and easy to predict the match winners.

If it's that simple, I will be the one making testimonies and reviews on my past experience since I'm still new to this, even the experienced ones make loss sometimes talk more of the newbie, it's not simple to me but perhaps you are good in your own style.
What's the purpose of gambling if you aren't rolling dice and spinning for the jackpot, this is the first time I have seen where a user isn't gambling for profit perhaps you enjoyed playing and losing.

Skill base with opponents still remains the most preferred option that any one would want to go with, playing against house is 50:50 chance even if you are well skilled.

There are people who understand well and they find ways to take advantage, gamblers who knows how to deal with types of games they are playing mostly earn good compensation, those who can handle the risk inside gambling are also capable of winning good amount of money. The business itself, either skills or luck based, both are gambling, which probably shit may affect the results.

The good thing with people who play with skill based games, they have knowledge that they can use to have a good edge over their opponents and with good practice and control they'll end up winning, not always but the chance is better.

Yep. Those who think in that way, have a bigger chance of being addicts. They may be inspired by good stories from successful gamblers, sadly they think all people can do it. We cannot blame those who want to be rich through gambling, that's a human right. But only dreaming it without knowing the chance and the risks are absolutely a bad attitude. At the end of the day, those are very possible to be addicts as you said (if they don't change their mindset).

Don't you think "fun" is a kind of return? I assume return isn't only about money. As it is a game, some people may think that entertainment is also another big thing to expect. So, not only consider the "return" from the number of money got from the gambling games.

Yes. Definitely, mate.

Sorry to interrupt your conversation, but i can't agree with a first statement. To get on gambling addict it's need to be a specific kind of person. And this doesn't matter what do you think about winning or loosing on gambling. Because gambling is more about thrilling and entertaining than just getting money.

No problem, everyone can have their own point of view.
Anyway, can you make it clearer, on what statement do you disagree? Do you refer to this statement "Those who think in that way, have a bigger chance of being addicts"? I explain it a bit more, you need to notice this word "bigger chance", which means not 100% of them to be addicts. But that mindset creates a bigger possibility to lead them to be addicts. I know there are many other factors such as the wrong habit, using unlimited funds, and etc. However, people who dream of being rich instantly in gambling, possibly playing excessively. IMO

It's like politics where there is corruption, in sports, there is also a flaw.

Being prone to the issue of fix games or cheating is not new and it should be expected. Is it risky to bet on sports now that it's prone to game-fixing? Definitely no.

As a sports enthusiast for decades, I can conclude that some issues on fixed games are just having a small percentage compare to all games that were done in a good, smooth, and fair gameplay. If you think a rigged game is possible on that certain event (although there are no direct sources we can rely on if that game will be rigged, obviously), then just ignore betting on it.

^ Probably it could be and there are big politicians who also manipulating the fixed games.
I remember there is someone who asked why in gambling, they called it a gambling industry, why it is an industry?
So they think it is a business meanwhile we think it is a game that is sponsored by someone.
Nevertheless, it is part of a corruption I think, and they are making money on it by fixing the game. We hope that this will not have a negative impact on game sports that causes a bad reputation.

Both skill-based and chance-based are risky, none of them really has no risks. All gambling games can make us lose all our money and may lead us to be addicted. It depends on how we deal with those games, choosing the right ways to play that gambling games. As long as using a proper way, I think we can be quite safe.

Yes, sports betting is one of the most favorites. Cheating? Do you think we can win sports betting by cheating? I don't know if there is a way to guarantee winning it. I assume it is a fair game, no way for cheating.

Op didn't in any way of his submission talk about risk or not risk in his submission and I wonder why the main point of your response here center on how both the chance based is risky and the skill-based is risky for we all that gambling generally is risky. You should know that nothing in general is free of risk and is out that risky situation that do making a living and not taking risk is the most risky decision.

I do believe 90% or even more gamblers do gambling for the sake of quick money, not for the thrill and entertainment. Addiction does not look who you are, anyone can be addicted to gambling even if you take it as entertainment only and I have to agree that those who use gambling as a way make money has higher chance to be addicted.

There is that old joke about gambling to just illustrate this.There was a king and had a son who started drinking alcohol and the people near the king told him about his son,the king said no problem.The son then started going with women,prostitutes and the king also said there is no problem.When the son started to gamble the king said,stop him immediately as he is going to destroy us all.

This joke illustrates perfectly that gambling does not look at who you are and most people who do not have a great self control can easily fall under addiction from gambling.

I agree with you. These people saying gambling should only be for fun might be actually always in regrets and disappointment every time they lose. Or maybe they are just saying it but don't actually have the experience gambling and just posting here for the sake of, you know it that's why they don't know the feeling of being a gambler, being a casual or not.

Even rich people are gambling not just for entertainment but also want to win. How more for average gamblers here?

That's probably because "Even when you’re losing while you’re gambling, your body is still producing adrenalin and endorphins – Mark Griffiths, Nottingham Trent University" (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160721-the-buzz-that-keeps-people-gambling)


You are doing good since you are betting a very small amount and that's very much bearable. I try to bet small amount but the environment at casino turn me on and at times I bet high but still I am fortunate enough to have money to buy a drink that helps in overcoming the grief of loss.

Placing a small amount in betting will not be a problem but when our emotions still go on, that will be a problem for us. And I think that is because we are hard to accept to see what we select is getting a loss, especially if our favourite team or player that we select is lost. The favourite drink can be a solution to release the tension and not become stress because of the loss. But leaving the bet will be important as that can make us forget the last bet that we place.

Maybe you should buy a drink before going to the casino?  :D At the very least, this guarantees that you will not spend all your money in the casino and will be left without a drink, but there is another chance that if it is an alcoholic drink, then your game will be less responsible  :D
By the way, personally, I try not to mix up pleasure, gambling is not the kind of entertainment that I would like to do with the influence of alcohol, since my analytical skills are falling and the courage to spend is growing.

If I'm gambling to have more fun, I would surely drink and gamble at the same time.
Sometimes even if you lose money, you will still enjoy gambling because you try to rely on your luck and you gamble what you can afford only, that will still fall on responsible gambling. 

Let us understand that casinos are consistently making money because most of the casino goers are losers, but do they complain? No, because they were entertained and their losses are their expenses for their enjoyment, it's just a matter of how you see things in different gambling situations.

I am not pro gambler but for me it depends upon the game you're playing. If I am playing cards tongits, I must manage my card well because it will not always be a good card ahead. My mother plays lotto loke keno and swertres, she has some analizations but failed most of the time. But for me playing lotto is more on luck because we cannot really predict it like dice results. All in all we should still enjoy when we are playing. Choosing what to play and where we think we are good at is also important.

Therefore "tongits" is a skill-based game, because luck is not a factor for you to lose completely as randomness of the cards that you will draw is not entirely affecting the game. and Lotto is obviously a luck based gambling due to the fact that the chance of you winning this is slimmer than the chance of you getting striked by a lightning.

With the lotto, your chance is based on the random numbers that will come out during the draw and the probability of winning is very low, therefore it's called a game of luck. On card game, it's likely a skilled-based game as you are playing against each other, therefore you can install some technique in order to win and be more consistent, that's probably the big difference.

Since I dont great in any skill-based gambling games, I just play with my luck like dice and slot machine games. For an example dice, when I play the game I did it with auto feature which make me can play in many different sites and ofc I can leave it for some minutes instead when I played skill-based games.

Playing with the games that you are familiar with and easy to play, is a good decision. Don't force yourself to play in skill-based games. You can try them when you already have some knowledge about skill-based games then. I think you don't be stuck in chance-based games only, sometimes skill-based games can be more interesting and funnier if you know how to play them well. So, expanse your knowledge even to skill-based games.  ;)

It is a choice. Try to expanse on skill-based games is okay, but it is no problem if he only wants to play in luck-based games. There are some gamblers who feel comfortable playing luck-based games, they don't require too much effort in thinking. I think we must appreciate them, it is acceptable as long as they are happy. Not all people have a serious goal in gambling, some only want to have fun. In this matter, to expanse knowledge on another gambling category isn't a very crucial thing.

I also know from several articles on the internet that there are indeed some people who become millionaires after winning the lottery. This means
that gambling can make someone rich instantly, but that's because that person is lucky. But don't let it be because of knowing that we are obsessed
with wanting to get rich instantly and every day just thinking about winning the lottery. That means we're addicted and that's not a good thing.
That's why I suggest don't think that gambling is an instant way to get rich, so we are not even obsessed with winning the lottery, even if we win,
consider it a bonus because we are lucky. But if we fail, we will not be burdened to continue to pursue victory.

It's a choice that gamblers need to decide. Some might want to stay with luck based games and enjoy
while others wanted to explore and try using their knowledge to take advantages, most of the time,
gamblers who aimed for money choose to play with skill-based games, as they know that understanding the
game gives them a good chance to win over another.

Both types of games are enjoyable if you only looking for entertainment, but if you are on the other side, both also dangerous as addictions will hit you up.

Yes, gambling can make some people become millionaires but if we compare it with the losing people, the number will still be bigger than the losing people as those people who win a lot of money can win the games because of their luck. When you become obsessed because reading the articles about someone becoming a millionaire, you will play gambling and always think about winning that much money. You will try to play many gambling games, whether it is based on skill or chance, because your obsession is to win and become the next millionaire.
Gambling is not an instant way to get rich, but gambling can be your instant way to get poor because of losing money.

It's okay to keep on trying without forcing yourself into games that you're not good with. But if you are eager to be good at that skill or luck-based, you have to keep on doing it.

The more games you know and good at playing with, much better.

Cheating is limited when it comes to sport games and it's a skilled base game that many gamblers can easily gamble on without much risk and the betting platform does not have the skill to know the correct outcome of the results. I think sport games are more harder for gambling sites to manipulate cause the results is always obvious and universal. It requires less or no skill to forcast the sport games.

It boils down to your real purpose, I mean, just do what you love to do, besides, gambling is created for entertainment purposes. However, if you are serious and you would really like to be consistent in making money, then I guess you should focus on skilled-based games and focus on few games only, so you can master what you are doing.

It's actually for both.

Cannot be removed the reason by those gamblers that are doing it for their another source. It cannot be denied that there are people that are going through with that.

Of course, no one would gamble without having fun, and no gambler would have fun if he loses, that's common sense I guess. However, we just have to look at the reality that most gamblers believe they can use their skills in a wrong game, just like bettors playing a roulette thinking they have 50/50 chance where in fact the house edge of a roulette game is high, except for the black or red betting.

but skilled games are safer than just something we love to play in which Luck based games.
imagine you will just play slot machines or roulette because those are your game that loves to play but the question is, you are winning, or mostly losing.

but in Skilled based game you have more chances of winning mate as long as you know how to try learning this deeply and can make you winner more often than losing .

It's the usual thing for gamblers.

We're too confident to do things that we think we're good at even though that we aren't. That's why we're gamblers and ready to do things even it's not for us.

Some people will prefer to select skilled-based gambling games as they know more about them than other gambling games. Besides that, they think they will have many chances to win on that skill-based because they already know how to do with the games and try to win. At least, if they can learn more details about the game from many lessons, they can increase their chances to win. But we know that both skilled-based and chances-based have a risk and we should know to prevent the big risk.

It really can happen if the gambler has no good self-control and use inappropriate way in gambling. That's why a gambler must be aware of the risks in gambling and choose the right way to avoid huge losses + addictions. In this matter, both skill-based and chance-based games have the same risks leading people to get poor instantly. If someone is too obsessed with being rich through gambling, he probably ends up losing all money and be stressed. In reality, I have seen many gamblers who ended with bad stories.

I don't know all your philippine games but you're right at lotto and keno you can not predict the results as dice games but at least you know your exact chances of winning unlike card games and other skill based games. Then you know what you are paying for.

I love you illustration with that particular story for have head it before but the truth of the matter is that if the make good return from playing gambling they will all benefits from it. We should have it at the back of our mind that odd of the game is always against the players but be that as it may, good numbers of people are still making money from playing gambling.

Sad thing is it isn't even a joke imo, what the king said was perfectly reasonable, it WILL destroy them. Gambling is like a plague, it doesn't just damage one person, it damages everything around that person slowly but surely.
Honestly, there's no such thing as "skill-based" gambling games, it's still dependent on your luck imo. If they were looking for something they can win by having more knowledge about it, gambling isn't the game for them. Yes, I know what skill-based gambling games are, but those are still called "gambling" games, see my point? They might just be better off playing games like Hearthstone and participating in tournaments and the like.

A gambler who is often playing gambling can have a big obsession to win much money from gambling. But that can prevent by having control over himself to prevent his mind from thinking about his obsession. Self-control will indeed be a must-have for every gambler to prevent anything from becoming worse without controlling it. As long as he does not lose control over himself, he will be okay playing gambling and not worry about losing big money because he will have a chance to prevent that thing happens.

Games in which your winnings depend on your skills are safer for your psyche.  Why are gambling dangerous?  They lead to the development of learned helplessness. 

Acquired helplessness is a state in which a person believes that nothing depends on his actions.  This applies not only to the game itself.  In games, a person masters behavior strategies that he uses in real life.  Learned helplessness can negatively affect all areas of human life. 

It's another matter if gambling is based on human skills.  The player can improve himself and achieve success in gambling. 

This strategy is very useful in all spheres of human life.

Actually both are dangerous (skilled-based and luck-based), the only way to minimize or manage the risk is if you gamble responsibly, no one would survive if they are no responsible as in gambling, you can easily loss all your money and even the money that you are not suppose to gamble.

it is always given that Self control and having direction in gambling will save everyone from drowning .

also know your limit , put specific amount each time you gamble and never exceed from that.

also put time frame each playing , in case that you still not growing consider that this is not your day and try next time

They say poker is 100% game of skill in the long run, but since "in the long" is not defined, it could mean hundreds of years and a bankroll of billions USD. So, in reality, I wouldn't call poker a game of pure skill, but I wouldn't go so far to say that luck has 80% and skill has 20%, like some poker players are saying. Imo, the truth is somewhere in the middle: 60% skill, and 40% luck.

They use their knowledge to choose the right team/player/things to bet so they call skill-based gambling games. Like sports betting, they use their analysis to determine which team or player has a big chance to beat their opponent and win. But those gamblers need to know that all will depend on their luck because we do not know what will happen in the middle of the match. The position can replace and the opponent can push their favorite team or player until he surrenders.

Each person is going to have their own likes and dislikes when it comes to the games they are attracted to, personally I prefer skill based games even if I am not great at them either, the fact that you have to think about each one of your moves makes the game more meaningful to me compared to the alternative that I have on playing luck based games in which the only thing you need to do is to make a click and that is more than enough for you to win or lose.

I know in gambling games it is luck if you win, but for them of course that skill is really needed to keep win and also have a good chance. I always do skills by looking at all the details beforehand before I bet on the team that will be bet on, therefore skills and opportunities are the same that must be combined in gambling.

What I do when playing gambling, I always apply my skills, even though it's 70% luck but at least we shouldn't be careless in gambling but with tactics it is necessary.

If you're careless enough and you allow yourself to be freely losing without doing anything to defend with your money, you're just good as just giving it to the house.
The reason why we're gambling is for different reasons and you have to be serious in all manner whether you do it for fun as it's attached to it and when you lose, you'll just have to think of it that you're enjoying as a relief.

I enjoy gambling games but not being careless and I always do what I can to just keep the money so I don't lose big, but in reality it's for fun.
But this different and permanent way will stick with me about gambling, but throughout my travels on gambling forums I have understood a little about how skill-based it really is and we still need it in every game.
When there is an opportunity it must be distinguished because all will know in every gambling there must be a big opportunity.
Even if it's not her full hope.

Being careless also means that you don't care about your money and it's really just pure entertainment for you but if you're careless enough in gambling, then the chance of losing a lot of money will be lessened. The reason why we are playing gambling should not be all about getting profits and such, it should be for the sake of enjoyment but we can't really disregard the fact that we can double our money in an instant that's why we are gambling, even if we apply our skills, it's not guaranteed for a sure win., luck still prevails.

If you are going too define it as skill based (and I'm not sure it is exactly) then you should supplement Horse-racing for all sports betting. If your suggestion is that somebody is able to get an advantage over "the house" in one sport, thereby beating all the statistical analysis that these gambling companies have access to, then it should not be limited to horses. In fact, I would say that horse racing is a long stretch more unpredictable than football betting for example - the favorites often lose or come in a random position. If horse racing is only to be included, why would you ignore greyhound racing? Which is pretty much identical in that you are make predictions on the performance of an animal.