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08.08.2020

The Tagion Bounty Campaign is live!

Register fast and earn Tagion, BTC or any other currency of your choice!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267488.0

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09.09.2020

We have officially ended the bounty application period, and capped applications at 525 applicants, on August 22nd. 
The next step is to review all applications and onboard the successful candidates into our community space on Ambassify
 
Thank you all for participating. 

You can still apply, but you will be placed on a waiting list for at least 3 months, together with those who didn't make the cut.
Whenever someone drops from the active bounty hunters group after their minimum 3 month commitment, you will be eligible to take their place.
 
In the meantime, keep an eye on the project, there will be other opportunities to earn crypto.
The Wallet application is on the way, a dev bounty program is in the works, and the public testnet AlphaOne is about to be released this month.

Tagion is a monetary- and banking system that blends the best of the current financial systems with the new possibilities offered with decentralised solutions. We are allowing for adherence to regulation and integration to the incumbent banking systems.

A core part of our value proposition is that we offer a seamless closed payment loop, meaning there is no need to exit the Tagion ecosystem at any one time, as long as the involved parties are on the network.

Some of the most significant issues with open protocol-based systems have been governance and monetary stability. We are building good and fair governance systems that spurs the healthy development of the concepts and technology over time. It is a value that the network itself will become a Common good; thus, we have developed a new governance structure based on Elinor Ostrom's work and created PoC and random algorithms to cater for that.

We are building algorithms that will work to ensure some intrinsic stability to the Tagion currency. There will be no pegging to other currencies, no basket of money or other assets, no ties to anything else attempting to make up a so-called Stable Coin. It is an independent currency allowing for decentralised remittance and stability, a 4th generation stable-coin.

The algorithmic stabilisation of the value of Tagions is based on the equation of exchange, like the central banks did in the old days, where the algorithm uses intrinsic values as inputs, only. The idea is to keep the price level stable by measuring the velocity of money, adoption in the system, and regulating the quantity of money on the network itself.

Since the outset, we have thought and built Tagion to be optimised to handle transactions for everyday use very well. Our target will always be to be at least on-pair with the usability and the scalability that is offered by the likes of VISA and Master, but at a much, much lower cost, and without the dependency to legal entities, as we see it with the current players.

Now, after having spent three years on building and proving the software, we have built a solution, the dev node is implemented and released, and we have the network alpha version following soon.

Behind Tagion stands a team with decades of experience in
- computer science, software architecture and development
- economics, fintech and banking, communication and marketing

what a really great team behind this project, i hope this project will be success and become one of the best cryptorrency
Good Luck!!

They seemed to really have good team and good foundation for this project.
But since they are aiming to have wide adoption for this platform, what are the activities on the pipeline to address this mission.
There are so many alts devoting their time for this p2p money transfers, yet, they failed in terms of adoption.
They need to start somewhere to take off their adoption. And where will they start?

When you say banking system, are you saying Tagion will provide all the functions of banking systems in a decentralized way? This is very interesting to know although I think it will be very difficult to achieve, how do you intend to implement this and do you hope to open a bank, I still don't fully understand what it is that Tagion do,

And can you elaborate more on this statement "There will be no pegging to other currencies" if not pegged to any currency, how do you determine it's value?  And should I include your white paper is one of the most technical I have seen so far.

1. For adoption, we look at:
a. building a developer community that will use the tech stack we a develop to build applications and implement our protocols. Purpose is to ultimately build an incubator with promising, young developers and startup founders. We started looking into dev communities in Pakistan, Ukraine - developing countries.
b. We want to start with coffeeshops and restaurants. We actually did a street survey on campus in Kiev, and students and shop owners were happy to try out our proposition.
Here the purpose lies in the Wallet, which will be used by shop owners and customers.
c. The DEX protocol (which deals with settlements on Lightning network) is also how we aim at driving adoption. The challenge here is to have sufficient liquidity to sustain the DEX, and reliable Lightning channels. So far we received good feedback.
Here is an explanation of the DEX: https://forum.tagion.org/t/decentralized-exchanges-and-tagion-dex/85

For more information, please join our Telegram Group: @TagionChat - the entire team is there and can provide more information.
You can also join forum.tagion.org and become an active part in the project ;)

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We have run tests for the Tagion network and saw that we can achieve 20,000 throughputs per second, at a speed of 3-5 seconds.

The Visa network achieves max 65,000 throughputs per second, at speed of 1-3 seconds.

You may think, well, if Visa is faster, who would use Tagion? Payment as a Service and Banking as a Service is on the rise. Think Alipay, WeChatPay, Revolut etc.

There will be more players coming in. These players will want alternatives for payment networks, not just Visa and Mastercard. Perhaps they will not want to have 8 intermediates between payments like Apple Pay has.

You can achieve true pseudonymity, no exploitation of personal data, no rollback of transactions. It's an alternative to the old financial system, at the very least.

If you'd like to discuss privacy, ethics, and payments, our team is active on our Telegram Chat @tagionchat and happy to provide more information.

"No pegging to other currencies" means we won't be backing our Tagion currency the way Stablecoins are backed (euro, dollar, precious metals, a basket of currencies, crypto collateral). We achieve stability in time, algorithmically.

On forum.tagion.org we would love to add intelligent participants like your self ...

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another DAG (Directed Acyclic Graph) based cryptocurrency project
i hope this project will be a strong competitors for the TOP DAG crypto such as IOTA, NANO or others

hi dev
do you have a plan for bounty campaign ?
to spread the word about tagion
thank you

You mentioned you conducted survey in Kiev, by any chance are you going to take off your project in that area, integrate Tagion as part of payment method in those coffee shops and other shop owners? If you will show success of your coin integration as payment in a specific area, expansion of your project would be easier because you have some sort of reference already. The usual challenge of a new payment method is the adoption among users, but you need to start from somewhere, right?

@coinswebid

We do. We are just putting the final touch on the program. We will announce it here as soon as it is ready.

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@CaVO32

Our CTO and the development team is in Kiev, so this gives us an opportunity to find use cases for our network there. It's easier because the team is on the ground. We can also try in Denmark, once our technology is more mature.

The focus right now is to launch the alpha network, the wallet, and open-sourcing gradually the tech stack so developers can work with it.

We have seen more openness from Ukraine as a developing country. Keep in mind that they have just regulated crypto, and the financial system there is dealing with heavy financial monitoring by the state.

You can read more about it here - what financial monitoring implies, and what they expect of Ukrainian citizens transacting fiat and crypto:
https://link.medium.com/5XEdL68R46



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Let first say interesting question and interesting answer
Tagion network - 20,000 throughput per sec   -   visa 65,000 throughput per sec (that is a huge gap) which if this two options are available in a payment point I would immediately go for visa, so how does Tagion intends to meet up with such challenges? Like you said, more players will be coming and at the end it will all boils down to who has the best service,

An alternative to the old financial system should be a able to top the game, visa is in this category and in terms of true pseudonymity, anonymity this is a disadvantage but when you talk about speed, it still out perform the alternative, I think there should a complete take over of the old financial system not just some part.

@Bitstar_coin


Thanks for the kind words about the project.

In theory, our network can be at least on par with Visa regarding speed once the network is fully up and running. Just - we have not tested it in real life yet ;)

We like to stick to facts - as they are right now - and not how they will be in a few years. Rather underpromise and overdeliver than visa versa ;)

Team may stand behind but it doesnt change the fact that Hedera Hashgraph algo u stole from Zilliqua wont cut it. It wont make it unique. It is the year 2020 when more than algo is required to rear a coin into a high-usage grown network. I guarantee that in a month the team will be bent backwards to me as I set up conditions of my involvement into Dumbgion project.

@pampt

True that - hashgraph is not an unique feature in it self. But combined with our DART (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVJrR7HGKqU&t) and the principles of the consensus mechanism (https://forum.tagion.org/t/proof-of-community/78) we have a very unique basis for building a new monetary system.

/tobias

Patents differentiate between one another regarding claims, and the commercial product application.

You cannot patent science and mathematical protocols. You can patent a method that uses the science or the mathematical protocol in the product (see Hedera).

The claim can be for example a method for a distributed database to reach consensus based on an implementation of the Hashgraph mathematical proof and a proof of stake system. A distributed database reaching consensus with proof of stake built into the method.
It is the method for reaching consensus in the database, the database system, which is patented and not the mathematical proof, which we have implemented in our own context (Tagion), with our own gossip mechanism, virtual voting, a trust layer, and our own database system. The DART (database system) is patented in our case.
We have an open system, not permissioned, and a different governance mechanism, based on Trust and Community and not proof of stake. Our governance is not coupled directly to the method for reaching consensus in the database.

Cheers.

I have been one of the founders of the project and developer. @PAMPT, I am not sure I get your points, and your claims are false.

1. When you write Hedera Hashgraph, we need to distinguish the math proof Hashgraph from Hedera's implementation of Hashgraph, Hedera Hashgraph (which is closed source). We did implement a Tagion Hashgraph algorithm using the Hashgraph math proof, and we have another gossip and sorting mechanism as well. (We had a Tagion Hashgraph test network running december 2018 to summer 2019, where you could see the network live running on 6 nodes.) I can elaborate further on patents if that would be of interest. I don't know the Zilliqua project, but why would you say we have stolen from them? I just checked their repo on GIT, it is written in C++, all our code is written in D Lang and some C lib. More, you can see that we did not do any forks of the https://github.com/Zilliqa/Zilliqa/network/members.

2. I agree you need more than one algorithm to make a viable proposition to challenge the current financial industry's organisation/infrastructure. That is WHY we created Tagion. We have been developing the project for soon 3 years and ready with the full alpha network soon, so I don't think a month would change much for us, why would you think that?

thanks for your respond,, i hope i can be a part on it
because my signature space is waiting  ;)

We will make sure to keep you posted!

I want to own Tagion token. What should I do?

Hi @Dinhvinhson

Great to hear. We are not pursuing an ICO so, the easiest way to get Tagion is part take in the soon to be released bounty hunt. We are testing the final features to make sure the program is as good as possible before we launch. 

Stay tuned for more information here or join our Telegram Group: @TagionChat - the entire team is there and can provide more information.
You can also join forum.tagion.org and become an active part in the project ;)

/tobias

Interesting project and concept #PoC

Will follow the progress

Thanks! Happy to have you watching - and maybe one day joining, who knows ;)

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Tagion FAQ #1

Who governs #tagion?

The users of the system by a reputational trust score model and Proof of Community model. More, we are trying to extend the governance model to reward all actors in the model, which could be divided into four main categories:

• Sense-makers: core concept developers
• Value-makers: programmers and nodes
• Relation makers: evangelists and services on top
• Decision-makers: core developers and node operators

See more FAQs on www.tagion.org and join our Telegram Group: @TagionChat

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Tagion FAQ #2

What is DART (Distributed Archive of Random Transactions)?
DART is built to store and keep track of transactions in the Tagion network. The database efficiently handles the removal and addition of transactions in a secure and distributed manner.

Why is DART better than Legacy or other distributed databases?

In comparison to other distributed ledger technologies, DART is optimized for token transfers. It creates cryptographic bills which makes it extremely efficient for searching, reading and storing. It also contains a fingerprint for the state of the database, another feature that is missing in classic distributed hash tables.

See more FAQs on www.tagion.org and join our Telegram Chat: @tagionChat

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Tagion FAQ #3


What is HTLC (Hash Time Locked Contract)?
A Hashed Timelock Contract (HTLC) is a type of smart contract used in cryptocurrency channels to eliminate counterparty risk. It enables the implementation of time-bound transactions.
In practical terms, this means that recipients of a transaction have to acknowledge payment by generating cryptographic proof within a certain timeframe. Otherwise, the transaction does not take place.

See more FAQs on www.tagion.org and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat


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Tagion FAQ #4

Does Tagion have a DEX?
Yes - soon. Pay with anything anywhere. Tagion DEX is an open protocol that enables a trustless exchange of any digital currency that supports HTLC (Hash Time Locked Contract). Thanks to the fair ordering of transactions enabled by Hashgraph, Tagion DEX also provides automatic ‘on-chain’ pair matching.
Once completed, Tagion’s DEX will be able to seamlessly exchange between all common crypto and FIAT currencies (semi-decentralized). Read more in the White Paper.

FAQ post:https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-faq/81/7 and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat

#faq #altcoin #crypto #altcoins #telegramchat #forum

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Let's watch and see what can benefit many people here. it's time to find out about that. Hopefully change something new.

I am sure this will benefit a lot of people. Hopefully, in the looooong run, it can even play a part in bringing the money power back to the people.

/tobias

nice hope
and i believe your hope will become true if you and your team seriously develop this project
i will watching this project too  ;)
regards

@republicrypto

Great to have you watching. Hope to make you get involved soon as well ;)

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Tagion FAQ #5


What is a shard?

A database shard is a horizontal partition of data in a database or search engine. Each individual partition is referred to as a shard or database shard. Each shard is held on a separate file system to spread the load.
Tagion’s database, DART, supports sharding on a single DART where the DART is divided between nodes in the network. This means that only a fraction of the data is stored in a node’s local file system.
One of the examples is having a sub-DART for a video game, so that in-game transactions don’t stall the main network - and ensures the data as it is only the owner of the data that can modify or erase it. This is not the case for a torrent file system.

Some data within a database remains present in all shards, but some appear only in a single shard. Each shard (or server) acts as the single source for this subset of data. A node always has a copy of the data to secure data in case a node is lost. It also improves the load speed because you can load data from several nodes at once. It also reduces distributed denial-of-service (DDoS).

FAQ post:https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-faq/81/7 and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat


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well, will keep eye on it  ::) ::)

anyway this is coin with own blockchain right? not a token?

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Tagion FAQ #6



What is a Directed Acyclic Graph?

The Directed Acyclic Graph (DAG) DLT is a solution that offers the benefits of blockchain with better performance.

The idea of a Directed Acyclic Graph is by no means a new one. In mathematics, a DAG is a graph that travels in one direction without cycles connecting the other edges. This means that it is impossible to traverse the entire graph starting at one edge. The edges of the directed graph only go one way. The graph is a topological ordering, that keeps each track of each node. Imagine a collection of individual transactions where each transaction is linked to at least one other transaction in the following way:

Directed

The links point in the same direction with earlier transactions linked to later transactions, and so on.

Acyclic

Loops are not possible. A transaction cannot loop back on itself after linking to another transaction.

Graph

The mesh of connected transactions can be represented as nodes in a graph network, in which nodes are joined to each other by links.


FAQ post:https://forum.tagion.org/t/tagion-faq/81/7 and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat


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#Tagion FAQ #7

How is a #DAG different from other #DLTs (distributed ledger technologies)?

Practical differences between a DAG and a DLT typically include greater scalability and lower transaction fees for a DAG. They offer much higher validation speeds. In fact, whereas #Bitcoin-style blockchain slows down as traffic increases.

A blockchain is a long list of blocks, so in order to find the last transaction, you need to search backward through the whole block (this is time-consuming). To minimize this issue, a #database searches for the unspent output from bitcoin transactions (UTXO) instead.

There is no #mining on DAGs and therefore no need to incentivize miners through mining reward systems and thus, no need to charge users high transaction fees. No mining also means no mining equipment, the sort that you’ve undoubtedly heard uses more energy than entire nations.

With little or no transaction fees, DAGs can be used in situations where blockchain would not be feasible. A prime example is micro or nano-transactions between devices and sensors. DAGs however often contain a fee to reduce spam and to control the supply of money.

Find more FAQs post:https://[Suspicious link removed]/eTqASVZ and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat
#faq #altcoin #crypto #altcoins #telegramchat #forum

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Question is what is more secure DAG or other DLTs?
Low volume of transactions will make it vulnerable to attacks, or they are often heavily centralized.
Decentralization has not be achieved with DAG so far.
Also none of the DAG projects so far had any significant traction and attention in the world.

@noteblox1

To be honest the comparison might be a bit off. DAG is a graph structure, DLTs is a more general term for several technologies put together.
Most blockchains use a DAG structure, including Bitcoin. Bitcoin then uses a collection of transactions in a block to do a "clearing" of the transactions.
But transactions can still be on the same as a DAY.

Example: IOTA uses a DAG structure directly without a blockchain for clearing. This means that you need to connect to the server that has your transactions in its database for you to view your coins. This has meant that IOTA uses a centralized server to solve this problem...

In short, most DLT uses a DAG structure, but they use different "Clearings" solutions.

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We are going opensource!  :) :)

Check out our first module on GitHub! More will follow soon...

Find it here https://github.com/tagion/tagion_basic

#release #altcoins #developers #developercommunity

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CEO, Theis Simonsen "We have always wanted to be open source. Tagion_basic is our first release and hopefully, it is the first seed to a growing community"

#Tagion has gone #opensource. Our first module is available on #GitHub!

Find it here https:https://[Suspicious link removed]/dmNT7ee
#release #altcoins #developers #developercommunity

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CTO, Carsten Bleser Rasmussen: "The Tagion_basic release is not much in its self, but it is the foundation for all our future releases"

#Tagion has gone #opensource. Our first module is available on #GitHub!

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This should help against blockchain bloat for sure and will make it much less ressource intensive to run a full node i guess.

Do you have an estimate how big shards will become with time?

@criptix

Let me give you an example of how this will work, to clarify further:

Firstly, my answer above is as correct, but technically there is more to it. In the Tagion network, users do not have one or more wallets in the system. Instead, each user owns one or more private spend keys that can unlock their Tagions on the network for use.
Now, for shards - in Tagion, we call a Shard a Sub-DART, as this is technically more correct, as there is more to it than what you have going for traditional database shards. So, I'll be using the term Sub-DART in the following. And now, let's get to it:

As a rule, all Tagions exist in the Main DART. When - for various reasons - it makes sense to have some Tagions assigned to a particular Sub-DART (an example could be Alice's wallet assigning 10 Tagions to Sub-DART A that covers a certain geographical region, optimizing this for transaction speed), the 10 Tagions in the Main DART are locked and then assigned to the Sub-DART.

Now, when Alice, through her wallet pays 5 Tagions to Bob, her own 10 Tagions are destroyed, 5 new are made for herself, 5 new are made for Bob, and Sub-DART ledger entries (anonymous) are updated accordingly. Only once Alice or Bob, or anyone else that may have received Tagions out of Alice's original 10, have their wallet (or software), making a transaction out of Sub-DART A, the Main DART is updated.

This - rather complex setup - helps optimizing transaction speed and reduces the number of required transactions to move funds around, to a minimum.

The transactions that take place and the split of the Tagions in the Sub-DART are all secured by the use of cryptographic signatures, and the Sub-DART ledger makes sure that the locked Tagions in the  Main DART ends up in the right place, once transactions happen through it.

Luckily, the above is invisible to the end-user. The user experience will be that you, through your wallet or other software, request to make a payment or transfer of Tagions to another, and then this happens within a few seconds.

This is - btw - also the same pattern that is used for our DEX (decentralized exchange).

There is not a function that allows for sharing a high transaction workload with other Shards. As the above explains, it will take a transaction out of the Sub-DART, to move Tagions. And then, why not just use the transaction to finalize what needs to be done?

Another thing is that it would be a very positive situation, if we have a "Sub-DART tx overload" situation, as each Sub-DART will be capable of handling thousands of transactions per second and have a transaction fully processed within a few seconds.
We are looking very much forward to test exactly how many thousands of transactions shortly, as we've made quite some updates to the protocols. Our simulations will take place on the Alpha network, and we're hoping to hit only easy solvable bottlenecks - but let's see :)

This sounds awesome!

When can we expect the start of the alpha network and will normal users also be allowed to play around with the alpha network?

Thousands of tx per second would be incredible and several magnitudes higher compared to BTC and ETH... :)

@criptix

When can we expect the start of the alpha network and will normal users also be allowed to play around with the alpha network?We do our best not to promise releases before we have tested them thoroughly and are satisfied with them our selves. We have an internal date that we will make public at a later stage

Thousands of tx per second would be incredible and several magnitudes higher compared to BTC and ETH...
It is. We are running some simulations at the moment to present the calculations to the community asap

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#Tagion FAQ #8

What is a #Dapp?
A #decentralized application is a computer application that runs on a distributed computing system. Dapps have been popularized by distributed ledger technologies such as the Ethereum Blockchain, where Dapps are often referred to as smart contracts.

Can I build a Dapp on Tagion?
In the classical sense: no. Tagion is optimized for token transfers and is therefore not equipped with a stateful machine. It is, however, possible to build #smartcontracts contracts and run the transfer through Tagion.

Thinking out of the box: yes. It is possible to use #stateless smart contracts, and they have to be compliant with Tagion. Ethereum supports state full smart contracts which makes it simple to write a smart contract that could be used.

FAQ post: https://[Suspicious link removed]/dHp9gZr and join our Telegram Chat: https://t.me/tagionChat


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Tagion FAQ #9

Elinor Ostrom was an American political economist whose work was associated with the New Institutional Economics and the resurgence of political economy.

In 2009, she was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in #Economic Sciences for her “analysis of economic governance, especially the #commons”, which she shared with Oliver E. Williamson. To date, she remains the first of only two women to win the #nobelprize in Economics, the other being Esther Duflo.

#Tagion has based much of its governing on the principles for a common that Elinor Orstrom developed.

Quick Update:

Last month, we had the first Open Source release, on Github, called Tagion Basic Module.
You can read more about it here: https://landing-i25s.ambassify.com/post/22583?


GitHub Link: https://github.com/tagion/tagion_basic

Note: Every month, we're doing small releases in which we open source the code on our Github repository.
The next big release is the Alpha TestNet Release.
We will post here more details once the content is ready (press release, social media announcements, other landing pages, Github Link).

Best,

Roxana (CSO)

Are there potential companies or organizations that are interested in deploying your system? Have you reached out companies that will benefit your ecosystem, if in case they will integrate it in their operations? What set of people are going to be attracted by your system?

And who are your major competitors in your chosen field, can you name popular platforms? What do you think is your edge over them?

hi @cavo32

Yes we have started reaching out to different companies and organisations.
Countries we have access to include: Ukraine, Denmark, Pakistan.

Examples of businesses that can benefit from our proposition include full ecosystems that can develop an economic component (example: independent movie marketplaces, coffeeshop chains, e-commerce) or that have a solid community and are looking into deploying a transparent loyalty program. These are the immediate propositions.

Longterm, banking as a service, payment as a service, and finance sectors are the target. This depends on the health status of our network and how stable it is.

We are an open monetary system, at the end of the day, we depend on market validation and progress.

Since we are not a dApp platform, our competitors are mostly DAG based projects that focus on monetary solutions with non-mining non-staking consensus, the ones that focus and measure throughputs per second.

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For the part about edge over competitors:
We are not just building a protocol, we have a full tech stack (which btw we're open sourcing through monthly releases as we pen test it) that includes 3 patents, Tagion protocol with proprietary monetary currency and elastic supply, DEX protocol with fair price matching, API modules, wallet.

We have improved the governance by implementing a digital trust layer and a proof of community consensus.
Customers can customise, mimic, or use the main DART (distributed database) and governance model.

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DART distributed database explanation proof of Community and digital trust layer implementation explanation from senior developer Carsten Keutmann
https://forum.tagion.org/t/proof-of-community/78

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DEX protocol explanation in the 2nd part of this article, explaining fair price discovery.
https://forum.tagion.org/t/decentralized-exchanges-and-tagion-dex/85

Coming soon, article on elastic supply :)

Thank you very much for that elaborate answer. In my opinion, you need to reach out those businesses like those movie marketplaces, coffee shop chains, ecommerce in the first stage. Because if you will get at least couple of them to be on board, it will be a perfect example that your system will be beneficial to them. And if it really works on their side, they can easily endorse it to other businesses. Word of mouth is a powerful marketing tool.

Also, you've stated about 3 patents. And that shows that your project here is indeed sincere as you are going to the extent of filing patents. Very few projects can actually go to that route.

Looking forward to see company logos on your website that will be using your technology. I hope you will have long list for that. Because that will cement your existence in crypto community. The more companies deploying your network, the more valuable your platform is.

@cavo32

Thank's for the positive feedback. The first business we have reached out to are coffee shops - so we like your way of thinking :)
If you want to keep track of our project, please sign up for our forum: https://forum.tagion.org/ and our telegram group https://t.me/tagionChat.

 

Hey guys,

the Tagion Bounty Campaign is live!

Register fast and earn Tagion, BTC or any other currency of your choice!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267488.0

It is hard to find a specific bounty post on the Bounty section. So it would be better if you directly link you bounty thread link on this post, so that people can directly visit your thread.
BTW a question: will the team contact with us after the deadline end for the application?

BTW found that the team is very active here in the forum answering all the questions from the community. Wish you a very good luck with the project. Will read the whitepaper when become free.

My bad, i copy pasted the wrong link!
I edited the post with the correct link now.

Yes indeed, the team is very active and is also doing AMA's every some weeks to answer everything the community wants to know :)

that's cool, i joined the tagion telegram, i signed up on this, let's see what's interesting about this project and i want to take a deeper look at the project, just waiting for them to reply and message me  ;)

Great to have you on board - we will make sure to contact you regarding the bounty hunt asap. But we take this seriously, so we are going through every application manually to ensure the integrity of our bounty hunst as well as possible.

/tobias

Thank you for your response, but I will be waiting for the next news for manual selection and I am also happy if I can really be a part of your project, I am also still reading more about your project, cheers

No problem. We have been rather overwhelmed by the number of applications to be honest. But we will go through them as fast as possible.
All the best, and thanks for taking interest in Tagion.

/tobias

Wondering how we structure data, what release cycle we are aiming for, or where we aim to start our next Tagion community? Here is your chance to get the answer to anything Tagion related.

On Thursday the 8th of October from 3 PM CET to 5 PM CET, we are hosting an- Ask Me Anything - session on Telegram.
 
To participate online, you need to sign up here at Eventbrite by following this link:
https://www.eventbrite.dk/e/tagion-ama-ask-me-anything-tickets-123159935683
 
For your convenience, we will also provide you with a write-up of the whole AMA sessions.
Find this on forum.tagion.org once done ;)

Great stuff, will definitely join and check out the AMA. :)

Hope you enjoyed the AMA. I will make to post a link to the write up once it is done :)

/Tobias

i joined and saw the AMA yesterday, so I found a lot of great things said there, I want to see more about this project in the future, I am waiting for some updates to come soon from this project

That sounds great. We will make it our priority to keep you guy's on Bitcointalk posted as well.

/tobias

Tagion network may be on track to hit that number of throughputs. U can rightfully assume that it is capable of doing even more. But for this to make sense, there should be a user base onto it transacting actively. Which I do not see happening for a simple albeit unpleasant reason: people do not care and pay no respect to Tagion network because this noob network is not even on anybodys radars.

dont assume that they will be forever noob network and that nobody even care to check out on them. every popular network starts from nothing. looking at their whitepaper, they made effort to make a comprehensive paper. much better than most actually.
 the throughput rate will only be tested in actual scenario, i agree with that. but lets give them the chance to show their capability. not many projects can enforce their goals according to their timeline. and it takes time to attract users. if they will be in operations for more than couple of years, and still they can't manage to get enough users, then maybe the tagion team should re-assess their business tactics

Thanks for the support @amorejaz. We certenly don't plan on staying a start-up project, having released our AlphaOne Test Network already, we are working towards AplhaTwo and also have a track for the first applications that are build on top of Tagion.

Having set that @Ive Gone Parabolic has a good point, and we need to work hard to get peoples attention. We might end up having the best network in the world from a technical view, but a super cool network with very few nodes is not worth much ;) So, we are also trying to gain more attention and traction. Any help in that regard is appreciated ;)

Where would you recommend we spent more time telling about Tagion?

Good point - and that is why we need more attention around the network. Tagion might be super fast, but also super useless if there are no nodes on the network ;)
We have started a bounty hunter program and are on track to gain more traction - but we would appreciate any help we could get in making Tagion more of a household name.

Any way we could get you involved?

/tobias

I'll comment on your marketing.

Marketing via ambassify won't get enough viewers due to poor detection, the system is unable to ascertain whether the task is actually being done, whether your social media posts are actually being shared by participants. Points are added automatically by just clicking the link provided and then closing the new tab that appears.

I've followed your bounty on the ambassify platform. I found some bugs that you may not have thought about. I sent bounty feedback on one of your assignments in the 1st round on this issue, I don't know if you actually read every fedback that was sent on that assignment.

After 2nd round, I noticed that the bug hasn't been fixed, I announced it publicly in your telegram group and I'm surprised that you think it's not a bug (you think that the point I got from the task that hasnt been completed). Then I proved it by increasing points without getting new assignments. And at that time, my point was made back to the beginning. Since then I decided to quit your bounty program and stop supporting this project. Actually there were several PMs from other participants who asked how I got the points briefly but I didn't tell him because it will be more busy for you later because he clears the cheating participants.

I just summed up this with a confused mind that:
you're too confident that your system is good, but its not good enough.
You haven't thought about giving the bug hunter anything more valuable than disappointing him.
With a policy like this, other bug hunters (hereafter) won't bother telling you because they know they won't be valued.

I hope your marketing system will be changed to the manual way soon.
Good luck with this project.

Hi @rat03gopoh

Thanks for pointing out some of the issues we have with Ambassify. We are constantly working on making the project as fair and transparent as possible. That is why we manually monitor input and make random control rounds.  Last week we discovered another bug that was exploited. The points were deducted and distributed evenly to the other members of the bounty hunters. I have forwarded your comment to the project responsible and would encourage you to keep reaching out to us with other issues. We appreciate every help we can get to make our ambassify program as fun and fair as possible.

/tobias

#FinTech revolutions of the early 21st Century are now bringing about a qualitative leap.   Moreover, open finance systems are now on the verge of being mature enough to replace the #fiat system as solidified under the Bretton Woods agreement.


Read the rest here: https://tagionteam.medium.com/technology-is-rendering-the-fiat-money-system-of-the-20th-century-obsolete-c0c39e4ceb7e

“Cryptocurrency: An Enforcement Framework”, released on 8 October by the US Department of Justice (DoJ), is an important document for anyone with a project in the open finance field. Despite what in all likelihood will be a Biden presidency, DoJ is not expecting to change its stance markedly with the change of administrations when it comes to cryptocurrencies and non-fiat banking. Thus, the document gives guidance for how the new administration will determine the legality of a given project.

As mentioned previously, we at Tagion are taking a long look at the framework, and we’ll give our views on it by examining each of its three parts.

Since DoJ focuses mainly on the legality of any endeavor, titling Part I as Threat Overview is not a surprise, and it reads somewhat like a SWOT analysis. There is little rah-rah! enthusiasm shown for crypto. Likewise, there is no overbearing fight-to-the-death imagery from the sword-bearer of the fiat system in America. This document is a cold-eyed look at the threats posed to the current legal system after a dispassionate overview of how the technology (mostly blockchain-oriented) works. There is little new, but there are examples given.

Moreover, DoJ does point to legitimate uses of crypto. As Securities Exchange Commission and DoJ statements are of vital importance to the industry, including to us here at Tagion, the following statement is of the utmost importance:


Whatever the overall benefits and risks of cryptocurrency, the Department of Justice
seeks to ensure that uses of cryptocurrency are functionally compatible with adherence
to the law and with the protection of public safety and national security.

At Tagion we’re paying close attention to the next chapter, Law and Regulations, and how they’ll affect us world-wide. We’ll report on that next week!

Source: https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1326061/download

Join us offline at MenaExpo2020, where we will share the stage, on December 6th, 7PM GMT+4, in person, together with esteemed guests, entrepreneurs, leaders, and innovators.

Panelists:
Yoni Assia, CEO & Founder eToro
Theis Simonsen, CEO i25s, Founder Tagion
Gal Landau-Yaari, Head of Blockchain Research, Tel Aviv University - Coller School of Management
Moderator: Danielle Tichner, Founder & CEO W-SOURCE LTD., Venture Partner R3i Ventures, Chairperson Hong Kong Israel Trade Association

Official ANN:
https://imgur.com/a/u1FAZb3
https://tagionteam.medium.com/tagion-founder-to-speak-on-panel-at-mena-expo-2020-217594bf1500
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6740602383614713856
https://twitter.com/tagionTeam/status/1334545662692691970
https://t.me/tagionChat

I am following up on this discussion very keenly as I believe this industry has done a great job persisting on the course of making cryptocurrencies as a mode of payment in real-world businesses. Another thing that is of interest to me is the fact that there would be the representative of Tagion Project to share their view about how the future of digital payment is going and how Tagion is going to contribute to this course.
https://i.imgur.com/EDvEDne.jpg

Nice to see Theis besides such big names  8)


Pretty pumped to see the video of the talk! 
E-toro partnership and listing soon? ;)

Thanks, Criptix.
We're hoping to get a recording of the panel made available by the organisers and His Highness the Sheikh of the region.
This is one of the few in-person events happening currently, with very good line-up of speakers and topics.
We cannot further comment or disclose on the question you asked, I hope you can understand.

I am looking forward to hearing what will transpire during this meeting. Is the representative of Tagion representing as an individual or as a team member of the project to discuss Tagion. Their last AMA was quite helpful and talking about such a project like this will answer many questions that folks might have in mind.

Whatever be the case, it will be worth knowing where the world is heading with regards to the system of payment.

I am quite skeptical about all this regulations and existing institutions getting into the digital space. I have a feeling they are just getting aboard to hijack the whole space once they have full control of it. Take a look at the intrusion from PayPal. We all know how PayPal can restrict users funds for very long time. I just hope we get to know the clear terms of how this will benefit the crypto industry. I feel we are giving them the power again.

Feeling is mutual mate, Obviously team can share any information about such partnership with Etoro with regards to listing on its platform but hey we've been here for quite a long time to know how most of these connections lead to. I am keeping an eye on this thread to see how this project unfolds considering the fact that the real world seems ready to be enveloped into the crypto space

I get where you are coming from mate and in as much as I am happy about this I don't think there should be any fears with regards to this. I mean, let's test the waters and see where this takes us. Most crypto enthusiats have always been hoping for real world adoption and now there are plans in the pipeline to adopt it. I would say the crypto community opens up and and embrace this change as well.

Wait a minute, seriously this is happening and I don't see Yonni making a single post about it on any of his social profile? I hope I am not missing his twitter handle https://twitter.com/yoniassia. 

Or is it because they want to keep this event under the radar a bit? It would be interesting to know the proceedings from this meetup. I hope the team would be kind enough to update the forum over here just as you announced it.

Can someone from Tagion team please tell me why would people want to use Tagion instead of many other coins available in market and when can we expect to see mainnet released?
Meanwhile, I will do my own research.

Theis is representing the whole Tagion Team on this occasion. Even though the topic is on 'Money' and not 'Tagion' I am sure the talk will be good.

/tobias

@notblox1
Currently, as the coin is not out yet, it is all about potential. But then again, that is why the SAFT contracts can get you a long way for a small amount.
The main advantages in comparison to e.g. Bitcoin is in the governance and the tech.

Tagion is build to be a 'lean mean transaction machine'. So the throughput per second, processing speed, and energy consumption are superior to other networks out there. Also, the governance hinders the centralization of power with big miner farms or other organizations.

As the only thing out there yet is an AlphaOne test network, the sales of SAFT contracts to private, European investors have been based on the trust in the team and their ideas as outlined in the Whitepaper.

... and again as the value of Tagions is so extremely low it will not take a lot of value gaining for it to be a good deal.

We are also super excited. The topic is more on 'Money' as on 'Tagion' but I am sure that Theis will be able to reveal a bit our project as the talk goes on ;)

/tobias

@criptix

Not sure why Yonni has not announced it on his own Twitter. Maybe because the conference only has 500 special invite people attending (so people can't come and join anyway.) Maybe he is too busy? Maybe he wants to go as a more 'private' person? Not sure.

The Agenda for the meeting will be Gal talking about money in a historical context. Yonni will cover the philosophy of money and Theis will talk about the more technical details of a monetary system in general and decentralized networks as Tagion is special

/tobias

@Kwama
We are currently running nodes on our AlphaOne test network. If everything goes according to plan, we will soon be able to release the BetaOne network. Stay tuned on Forum.tagion.org and all our other social media outlets ;)

/tobias

@piebeyb
In principle, Tagion is an altcoin. The part where it is set apart from other coins is the fact that the complete network is built from scratch by the team. In this way, we have been able to optimize it for token transfers. This also means that we have an independent network that is technically superior to the first generation of networks, e.g. all block-chain based systems. The governance system also benefits 'one-person-one-node' and prevents power centralization. We will soon update www.tagion.org and hopefully tell the story even clearer there ;)

/tobias

This really caught my attention so I decided to visit their website https://www.menaexpo20202.com to see if there is any social handle to follow this on but there is none. However, let's not really make a fuss about the style of the organization as this is an offline meeting being held by high ranked profiles in the technology industry. There are equally many meetups that are kept from public eyes for some reasons I do not know but I don't think we should hold MenaExpo so tight with their style.

Maybe if you need further information from the organizers you can send them an email and see if they got any explanation for this. info@menaexpo2020.com

Update
I was just roaming about and saw this notice from the Tagion Team. Maybe you can finally keep an eye on this meetup with the details below

Join us live and in livestream at 7PM Dubai time (UTC+4) to watch the panel discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHYlwHl_Zpo

Thanks mate, really appreciate the further research you put into this. Lol, I should have been on this look out myself instead of whining over here. This really makes it simple for every one to follow up on this meetup.

This 'one-person-one-node' reminds me of another project, thanks for the response but I'm reading more now on your website, I want to test this project for example download a wallet and test it doing transactions for example on a Testnet network, nice to be part of this thread
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@piebeyb there is no wallet yet ;)
The current test net is also not running anymore as we will launch an updated version (AlphaTwo) soon ;)

/tobias

@piebeyb there is no wallet yet ;)
The current test net is also not running anymore as we will launch an updated version (AlphaTwo) soon ;)

/tobias
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Can you give any rough estimate with regards to how soon this will be? At least a month or two, I would be going for a break and don't want to miss it if it's going to be incentivized ;)
It's really nice to see what you folks are putting together even though it looks very tough to be materialized but I will keep an eye on this.
Merry Xmas to those who celebrate it lol.

@Youghoor

We all wish you a very Christmas as well. There will not be valid under the Christmas tree for you this year ;)
Neither will it happen in the first month or three of next year. But we will update as soon as we have something ready.

/tobias

For those who missed out on the Future of Money panel which took place on Dec.6th, 7pm UTC+4, during #MenaExpo2020, we have some updates:

1. For personal reasons, Gal Landau could not attend in person.
2. Yani Malahov from aeternity joined the panel, and gave some great insights.
3. We have live tweeted with quotes from the panel discussion, please check the links below.
4. We also have a couple of visuals available for the community.
5. We're working on obtaining a copy of the video (it was livestreamed), depending if the organisers will want to share the video with us, as this was a private event with 500 high profile attendees.

Panelists:
Theis Simonsen, CEO of i25s ApS, founder at Tagion
Yoni Assia, CEO and founder, eToro
Yani Malahov, CEO and founder, aeternity

Moderator:
Danielle Tichner, CEO and founder W-Source, Chairperson Hong Kong Israel Trade Association, partner R3i Ventures

You can join the discussion on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tagion/comments/k8fjpu/photo_of_the_future_of_money_panel_menaexpo2020/

Live tweets here:
https://twitter.com/tagionTeam/status/1335599633201049606

Panel sneek peek:
https://twitter.com/tagionTeam/status/1335912307260579841

Gal Landau shared with us some of her thoughts on LinkedIn, in the comments section:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6740602383614713856/

Video of Theis, founder Tagion, explaining monetary systems and stable currencies:
Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tagion/comments/k8ilqx/theis_simonsen_founder_tagion_discusses_monetary/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/tagionTeam/status/1335962398633713670

More videos coming soon.

Thanks, I will keep an eye on this ANN from time to time. Maybe, i need to join you on telegram in order not to miss it.

@royalfestus

We have planned to engage partners, we just want to make sure we are ready first. Another part of our plan is to have the first decentralized working DEX. If we have that it will be counterintuitive to start being listed on another exchange ;)
... and yes, we would love to have more followers and a wider range in our marketing. Want to chip in? ;)

/tobias

Thanks, I will keep an eye on this ANN from time to time. Maybe, i need to join you on telegram in order not to miss it.
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@Youghoor
We would love to have you a part of our telegram group ;)
https://t.me/tagion

See you on https://t.me/TagionChat and on our official forum, https://forum.tagion.org/ - that's where the core devs and the founders are more active.

A peer - to - peer money transfer that will make it cheap, fast and fair for everyone will be a game changer, most of crypto projects that offers this feature, fail because of the same methods  they used in utilizing one. I think that Tagion team has the ability to change things up with their own work and ideas. My question is what's the state of the development with regards to the network? How far have you advanced with regards to going on mainnet?

Hi there.

From what I see, Base Protocol pegs its currency to all the other cryptocurrencies, 1:1 trillion, in order to achieve stability.
Also, the elastic supply they mention is defined by the total supply of the other alts and cryptos.

Tagion has a different way of defining "elasticity":
"automatically increases and decreases in volume with the demands of the money. Tagion is inspired by the equation of exchange trying to maintain a stable internal price level by regulating the money supply based on the speed of money and adoption of the system. The adoption is an arbitrary measure of the underlying commodities Tagions are used to Trade. Sophisticated algorithm burns and spins of money to secure a stable value of Tagions."

Our algorithm that basically ensures the mechanisms of elasticity and price stability is not pegged or influenced by any basket of currencies or cryptocurrencies.
If you'd like to discuss more, please drop us a visit on our forum at: https://forum.tagion.org/ or on our official telegram chat: https://t.me/TagionChat

In regards to the roadmap and the whitepaper, we see this as a work in progress, they are constantly updated. We've just completed our first phase with the testnet, and the biggest achievement aside from being able to operate the input-output features (send - receive Tagions), we can say that the database has not been corrupted (which is a huge achievement for us, no matter how small it may look to the world).

Tagion is a self-funded initiative, so we're moving slower than the typical protocols that have massive backing or investments. That should tell you something about the efforts and trust the founders of the project have in what the team is building.

Last, but not least, the number of Twitter followers is irrelevant to how good a project is.
I don't see a point in buying 20k followers just for the sake of "looking good", I'd rather have us work based on our own pace, and gain followers organically, based on what we deliver.

Cheers.

Hello,

I look forward to the wallet being released, the concept behind this token/coin is rather unique and ha piqued my interest and I will be following its development  :)

Happy Holidays to All!!

Cheers,
Waya

@molder555
Thanks for the support and trust in our abilities. We feel confident in our vision of delivering cheap, fast, and fair transfers for everyone on the fact that we have coded every part of the network our self. Also, Tagion is optimized for money transfers and avoids all the performance complications that come with blockchain technology by avoiding it.

/tobias

Best place to follow this project up is to join their telegram
https://t.me/tagionChat

That's good to know, unlike other projects that you barely get in touch with their CEOs, I realized your team members are very active on the forum as you stated. It's nice getting onboard. Thanks for the invite as well!

No offence but just because you are part of this bounty you think this project is more poised than Tagion?
https://i.imgur.com/8qb4ZI4.png
Tagion Project has been baking under the radar for about two years with in-depth research. They are not looking to make a quick flip like what other projects do only bringing huge debt to their community members who invested in the project.

It's quite funny you actually related the number of followers to a project. Remember Base Protocol is having a bounty so obviously, it would have more followers because there is a social media bounty. I bet there would be any high profile personalities among all these numerous followers that it has at the moment. If you care to know, this project is being followed keenly by some team members at Coin Intelligence, Concordium. Just recently, they got an invite to a private blockchain meeting MenaExpo in Dubai. See here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253116.msg55749887#msg55749887 for more details. On top of this one of their Co-Founders actually was among the panelist during this meeting and he shared great insight about global payment system https://twitter.com/tagionTeam/status/1335962398633713670

I like the concept behind base protocol but I don't see the reason why I should support a project that had about 10K ETH and could not build anything out of it claiming the market went down. In case you want to know they have already beeen tagged on the forum and that's not a good sign to get investors on board. Read over below for the reference of the scam accusation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2362043.msg55455458#msg55455458

@joinfree Thanks for the support. Actually, we are discussing this a lot at the moment in the team. Obviously, we would love to have a huge following, but our main target is to get the attention of users and developers that share our beliefs and are just as excited about the tech as we are. The end goal is to have Tagion governed as a common and driven by the community - so we need a strong community of people that share the vision and see the possibilities that Tagion provides. So, in our view, it would not do the community any good to pump it with 'fake' numbers or followers that do not support the project ;)

/tobias

Exactly!s

Your project looks very good.

I have done a review

https://youtu.be/6AkGj4Y2vnc  :D

also if anyone can please put a like on the video as it will help give your project more visibility on YouTube.

plus i get more views  ;D

@Cryptogainz

Thanks for the review - it was a pleasant surprise.
We will try our best to live up to your kind words and promise to keep you and the rest of the community updated on all important developments.
As you noticed, our native currency, Tagions, is not public-traded anywhere. For now, it is only available for certified private investors primarily based in Europe. For more information, you are welcome to contact ir@i25s.com, or have a little more patience and wait for the release ;)

/tobias

they will be launching next year's Beta testnet and I can't wait to get live testing running nodes and experimenting with new networks

So this test will be open for some selected persons or open for everyone? I am curious about their native token tagions elastic token supply. Tagion will be peg with what?

seems like it is for everyone and maybe you will find out more news about it via their telegram and follow the progress of Tagion all the time, you might be able to test it later

Okay but what about the token supply? They have said that there will not be any hard cap that means no max supply of their token. It will be elastic and will increase or decrease with demand. So my question is how they are going to measure their token demand? If it will peg with their marketcap then what will be it's target price?

is this a new thread to be created for another discussion about Tagion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5304470

This is actually the main thread about Tagion.

The other thread was a result of a small miscommunication in the team ;)

/tobias

Tagion releases its AlphaTwo test network

https://forum.tagion.org/t/alpha-two-release/258

Github link:https://github.com/tagion/alpha_two
Release plan: https://github.com/tagion/alpha_two/blob/master/Release_Plan.md

--

Tagion alpha_two 1 is now released. The purpose of the alpha releases is to create a stable core; a stable and operational node. We will not set up a public test network at each release as it does not necessarily improve progress, but instead release the binaries so that the network can be run on your machine.
The release cycle is every six weeks going forward from January 11, and we expect 2-4 more alpha releases before all core functionality is implemented and the node is stable. You can see the draft release plan as well in GitHub - it is a draft and a rolling plan.

The purpose of the alpha_two is to fix the stability of the network in internal mode.

The release contains the same functionality as the alpha_one release, except that alpha_two is now more stable than alpha_one and the debugging capabilities have been improved. Several bugs have been fixed. See release note 2 for more information.

Please, report bugs/issues in GitHub, but only bugs and attach the error log. General questions should be asked here.

Have fun playing with it,

Tagion core team

Okay but what about the token supply? They have said that there will not be any hard cap that means no max supply of their token. It will be elastic and will increase or decrease with demand. So my question is how they are going to measure their token demand? If it will peg with their marketcap then what will be it's target price?
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A great question that can not be answered in a few sentences. So we wrote some more ;)

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We have had some questions regarding the token supply, pre-minted tokens, elastic money supply and external relations/pegging, which we can discuss in this thread.

Pre-Minted tokens
There are no pre-minted tokens when the network goes live.

Fixed supply, 2-4 years
The supply has a cap of 100.000.000.000 tokens (100bn tokens), for the period.

Elastic money supply
The supply algorithm can issue or burn tokens to regulate the supply. I.e. for ...

See the full answer in the tagion forum:
https://forum.tagion.org/t/token-supply-elastic-money-supply-etc/260

Considering the fact that #AVAX is just less than 90 days old, it has a community-involved structure, already managed to get many partnerships and new technologies almost every week. Not only has good performance to offer, and is getting ready to blow up in coming year 2021 .Best of luck !

When exploring the article I have found one interesting concept called Dead token. So we can not keep our token for over a very long period of time and we need to make at least a self transaction not to be counted as a dead token? I know that will eliminate all those token that privet key lost but isn't that possible to create a system to retrieve lost privet key so that we do not need to burn dead token? Sometimes people lost their private key by accident so I think that will be more convenient for the token holders.

@istiak2277 As mentioned in the article we are looking to make automatic renewals of the money in order to make sure that active money will never be deleted. We will assure you that it is 100% fool-proofed before employed ;)

/tobias

Hear Tagion Founder, Kristian Vestergaard um up 2020

https://youtu.be/B3bX8_rivPs

Keep track of Tagion by joining forum.tagion.org and our Telegram group t.me/tagion