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Are Newbies a bunch of retards that do not understand Scams?

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Scammers are everywhere, infact Fiat related Scams are more prominent than Crypto Scams. Why are we intentionally talking about Crypto Scam always in this thread, when we know it just a small fish in a big pond of Scams.

Those who regularly create topics in this thread, try to create topics which are Guides or tutorial related to cryptocurrencies or about this platform.

There are other threads that are regularly updating about scams and how to avoid them. I am not against scam related topics I am against portraying the newbies that cryptocurrency is all about scams.

The same topic written differently won't make any difference.

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My question to all of you after reading your replies:

• Why will a begginer always want to read about a scam and not the benefits he can achieve being here?
• Did anyone here create a topic about benefits of cryptocurrency? or we assumed they know about it?
• We assumed they do not know about Scams or we are creating topics for Merits?

If you give some examples of those topic link it would be better actually what are you against to post here. Yes, you are right that scam-related posts should be posted in the appropriate section, so for scam-related something we have scam accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) section. But sometimes some users think some new scam technic could affect mainly newbies members, post those things as a guide in this Beginners & Help section to warn the newbies IMO.

You got it all wrong.

Just because you know about different scam tricks or tactics does not mean that everyone out there is aware of them, and people creating warnings or guides on how one can safeguard their bitcoins against scammers does not mean that Crypto is all about scam.

Unlike fiat which one can even access from a young age, cryptocurrencies are something digital, security sensitive, and very new to most people who can easily fall prey to online scammers, hackers and malware, so seriously the warnings are really required.

You should in fact applaud such members for trying to alert the community because it's an effort that takes time. There's no need to be mad about this.

This has been happened 6 months ago since I start create this topic in Meta to find a solution Expose scam site in Beginner & Help board? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225491.0)

And yeah, the answer is "All related scam project" should be posted in Scam accusations, you can use report to moderator and let the moderator move it. If the thread mainly discuss about how to avoid scams, it can be posted on Scam accusations or Beginner & Help (if you want).

Let's start off by the term Newbies.

• Who are newbies on the forum?
• Are all forum newbies are actually newbies in crypto space?

^[1]: Who creates account and gets only one activity point or post a lot but has not yet receive a single merit. They are newbies on the forum, from the criteria of rank. That's it.
^[2]: Not all of them are actually newbies in crypto. Some of them are experts, tech gurus and they have a title (rank) newbie because of their limited time participated and contributed on the forum.

• Scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0), as its name discloses clearly, is just a sub board for scam fightings and proofs of scam projects.
• Beginners & Help (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=39.0) serves a bigger role: for more general and systematic guides on how to classify projects, detect scam ones, and avoid scam promotions, KYC-data stolen from scammers, etc.

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1. Think of losses and prevent losses before thinking of profits. So yeah such threads are do helpful (some are extremely helpful).
2. There are around the forum. No need to ask so, mate.
3. Why did you think others create threads only because of merits?

Because beginners are the most vulnerable to fraud because they do not have experience in the field of encryption and therefore scammers target them by offering attractive offers and beginners always strive to earn currencies quickly and they fall victim to fraud operations and for this reason issues related to fraud are published in this section

You took it wrong @JeromeTash I never said I was against all such post, I said I am against creating the same post with different subjects or topics.

Yeah and some scams are forum specific or specific to certain tools such as social media that newbies have to be warned of as enough have been scammed those ways already...

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I'd advise if a topic doesn't look like something you'd want to see and it isn't clickbait you should be able to just scroll past it...

Classic example of a textbook you have quoted!

Why will a begginer always want to read about a scam and not the benefits he can achieve being here

Did anyone here create a topic about benefits of cryptocurrency? or we assumed they know about it.

While I think topics concerning scams on the Beginners & Help section help inform some newbies, I also think that there's a bit too much topics sometimes. I still think that we really need a pinned topic concerning the common scams on this section just to potentially at least halve the scam posts as some are really really redundant.

We are using the term newbie means beginner, does not have enough knowledge and as one of the elders on our forum we know right now are the guides and dos and don't we are posting the threads on the beginners & help to keep them aware even we already have a section of Scam Accusations still one of the common things they visit is this board as a newbie you have a lot of questions what is this, what is that and what are those things they need to learn.

We are here to guide them.

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My answer to your question.

• 1. Why do you need to read the benefits if we already know this is a scam? It's better to be kept aware and read a lot of things. Learn from the mistakes you've got and come from others.
• 2. As you can see there is a lot of news, articles, and influence from different people with the use of the cryptocurrency, try to visit the bitcoin discussion and you can see most of the thread relayed on that.
• 3. We create a topic to give awareness. Merit is just a bonus.

Because most of the times, beginners are the victims of such scams. Since they are noob and have no idea about this environment, they get tricked in such scam method. That's why I too think such threads should be posted on this board to make awareness among all the people.

I believe you are talking about board. Thread and topic are the same thing while board is different.

Not only on this section I have seen some sections where there are scam reports and some of them are not created by newbies we should all be aware that if we want to get attention from what we are posting it should be posted in the right section because members expect to see what they want to see on their section of interest.

I think members here are more concerned about scams than the benefits. I also believe this place forum needs to understand that we are the face of a community that promotes benefits an not scams.

We need to have seperate board only to discuss about scams in crypto space. I also believe that merits are the main reason why members are creating more topics which are almost same on scams.
 

Hey! @Pffrt, Thanks for making me understand the difference between a Thread and a Board. I also feel that you made my day after a typo mistake.

You are a STAR @Pffrt!!!

Unfortunately, matters related to deception are not present here. They are everywhere, in every location, and in every forum that contains beginners. These people are new to the field they enter in and they have no experience. That is why fraudsters exploit them using many forms of fraud, the most important way. The temptation to speak and persuade as the impostor persuades the novice that he will pay him large sums in exchange for clicking on a specific link or downloading a specific application.

The first is, they are newbies, where even beginners do sometimes really not know anything. Or they are people who are easily influenced without wanting to analyze it first about the truth. Not everyone understands about the crypto world, not everyone wants to learn from the beginning related to the crypto world. And there are some people who just follow the hype, the influence of others, and the lure that is extraordinary to be rich, so they are interested.
Not only newbies, but people who have long been in the crypto world are still the target and victims of scams.

That is why we are here to help each other, at least announcing and allowing them aware of the scams. It is not really disturbing to help each other, isn't it? We are sharing the information that can help the members to avoid scams.

I understand your point, if the topic is a general advice not targetting specific project or platform, I guess threads like that should be merged but if it is about a specific project it should be posted on scam accusation instead. If you find one you can freely report it to moderator. But if the thread is about something like, a new technique of scammers nowadays I guess that is really helpful for us newbies to be informed, I still consider myself a newbie.  :D
You said it yourself, "are Newbies a bunch of retards that do not understand Scams?" for sure they understand, newbies are curious individuals and for sure they will know the truth about cryptocurrency and its importance, there are just people creating topics without searching first if it already exist.

Well, I suppose it's because threads about scams (how to avoid them and the like) are easy ways to be acknowledged for one's post to become creative/useful. Plus, I think they think of it as a guaranteed way to earn merit (Just saying it's a way, not that all newbies are posting for merit). My opinion of it would be just to avoid it if you think it's irritating or something, let them post what they want since it's basically still useful oneway or another. And each post about how to avoid crypto scams could provide new information, after all, so they're basically free to do as such. And it's not like they just copy and pasted it from someone, but I do agree about what @mk4 said, a pinned thread that could get regularly updated about scams.

If it's about specific scam project then it should be posted in the scam section but if it is about tutorial guide about scamming then it's ok to post it here, in scam section there is a format here, you need to have subject to make your thread valid, or it will just be deleted.

Give the beginners and newbies the benefit of the doubt. They have completely no knowledge about it so it's a good initiative by them if they are searching through the forum and reading things relatively to scams.

Some or many of them just want to search for specific things and don't want to stay so they're all just for the information, comes by and goes by.

A lot of people here want to feel important, but are unable to create anything of value, so they act as forum police pointing out scams that nobody would ever fall for as a way to pretend they are making a difference in the community. The sad part is that in their desperation to feel important they end up harassing everyone who tries to build anything here, chasing away talent and leaving this place as a cesspool of scammers and trolls endlessly fighting using multiple alt accounts to make posts advertising shady money laundering coin mixers and illegal gambling operations in their signatures to make a few bucks. It’s been one of the great disappointments in my life watching what this forum has devolved into while Nero watches Rome burn.

Because the main task of Newbies is not to lose your money when you first get acquainted with cryptocurrency. In fact, everyone wants to get a profit without putting much effort and knowledge. This is why offers a large selection of scams that promise 100% profit in 24 hours. If you learn not to lose your money, then it will be easier for you to earn it.

You are absolutely correct @OgNasty, there has been so many instances where things have gone wrong due to social policing by members in this forum. I cannot pin point as I fear I will lose everything that I worked for.

My question is simple:

Are these newbies so dumb that they do not understand what scam can do to them? or are we so dumb to believe that we have no what to post and what will benefit the newbie???

First of all, posts about crypto scams are not against the forum rules. However, if you think that some post is low value, junk, not deserve to exist, just report it to moderator. If you don't like someones posts just press ignore button, if you consider crypto scam topic useless, just press ignore button again, but don't try to censor anyone here. Freedom of speech, you know.

Newbies aren't dumb, they are unexperienced. There's a big difference. Dumb people are those ones who consider themselves too smart and think they know everything.


Those talents made millions by scamming newbies during ICO era. No one was chasing away them.

I don’t consider those who offered copy/pasted ICOs as being talented. I’m talking about people who actually built innovative things from the ground up. One good example of talent that has moved on would be the developer behind directbet.eu, another would be Casascius.

To be honest, I didn't heard of these two particular projects, maybe they were just trying to bring innovative ideas into this wild cryptocurrency space, I can't judge and not going to. From scambuster's point of view, this is exception that proves the rule, most crypto projects are scam projects, the main goal of which to receive money and disappear. These scammers are competing with each other - who will be the first to create innovative and working idea - how to decieve newbies in the most efficient way. We have seen many of such ideas and many methods that they used, but those who just came haven't seen it yet, so goal is to show who are really talented and who are scamming.

Threads on scam sensitization seems to be on the rise due to the rate at which this scams increase and it's by the day. You never know who the next victim would be and so, the more alarms are been raised on a regular on the course hence, the proximity of a prospective victim becoming conscious of these scheme is possible. It might seem a similar topic but different content.
Although, a lot of us especially the newbies, jr.member and some lower ranks has found a lot of comfort here that we forget other sections of this forum, probably because we find it more easier to post or creates threads here. It's made a lot of persons forget that there is also a lot of activity in learning and many technicalities that plays out in the cryptosphere is treated properly in these other fields which is a major part as to our being here. I doubt a lot of us don't visit these other sections, once we come online, boom, Beginners and help. A common saying goes that, wise people talk less, which entails a lot of observation and learning. Sometimes, we've just got to learn more and let go posting just to fulfill a responsibility we feel to owe ourselves or the forum. We are all here to archive something but we've got to learn first. Hence, comments like this;
Is going to be common than we expect it to be. The quest to be relevant or make a difference remains the drive but, it shouldn't be abused by posting just for the fact that we feel like it. Make it count.

This only serves as a warning but this not means that we are making it negatively and have a negative impact on the community or in the forum in general.

Who benefited from this? Of course, not only newcomers but all of us. We have that specific board about scamming issues but there is no single thread that all scam problems where discuss. One reason why it is separately created is to have a clear discussion with that matter and to see the assessment of other members.

Because people will not write here every time they have a good experience while buy/sell or spend crypto. They will write and warn others whenever something fishy is happening or when they lose their coins.
When you read scam accusations against exchange where you trade or even hold some coins on, you get very scared, but you need to remember that 10000 people traded there without problem. One guy had a problem and he usually panic specially if exchange did not respond fast enough. Fast respond is impossible in times like was in 2017 when volume on exchanges doubled every month, so exchanges could not hire and trained enough help on time. .

Oh, so because there are more scams happening with fiat we should stop talking about crypto scams as it will destroy the mantra of cryptos being the saviors of the world. Scams happen, point! Acting like an ostrich will not solve the problem nor will it give bitcoin its virginity back.
Thousands of scams happen each day, every day you see something new and if you choose to stop speaking about the only effect will be that more and more newbies will get scammed and that reputation you care so much will get even dirtier.


Are all the topics about scams? Nope!
If there are a lot of topics about scams, it means one thing, there area lot of scams happening, which is contradicting your assumption.


Everyone decides on his own what to read and what not, if they want to read about scams good forthem, if they want to read about LN they will certainly not open a scam topic and discuss it, right?

You understand that what you're trying to do is against one of the thing things forum stands againsy and that is censorship?
Let's delete those topics about scams because we the Communist Party of Bitcoin don't approve of these things which might hurt our glorious ideals!!!!

- Why would they read about scams? Who wouldn't want to be warned and be saved from scammers? If I am not mistaken, there are only two boards where scam warnings are posted and I doubt beginners would only focus on those.  
- Benefits like decentralized, censorship resistant, and can be sent across all borders are written all over the forum in the form of topics and comments.
- I don't know about merits but newbies don't know all about scams. From what I have seen recently, newbies are getting scammed first before they come and ask here. Check the examples below:

• Scammed by telegram impersonator: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265937.0
• Scammed by ponzi and bitcoin recovery service fraud: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265067.0
• Scammed by some centralized service (asking more btc to allow withdrawal): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266460.0

I haven't even mentioned the many newbies scammed or phished from downloading fake wallets on google play store or the fake web extensions.

I'm certain that there are many cases like that in the past years that is why you see a lot of scam alerts and avoiding scam guides posted today.

Lol, I kinda feel same way for this sub.

It seems you are only interested in promoting scams in cryptocurrency. How many times have you thought or tried promoting benefits of cryptocurrency. The impression that you are giving to newbies is that cryptocurrency is all about scameers and scam projects.

If you are a beginner into the forum what are the board you need to visit this is the Beginners & Help because you just need to have an assist and guide about your problem and questions about the platform you have right now.

It's better to ask other people than to be dumb and pretending that are known as those things.

Each member didn't know all about those scams so they want to become aware to help their selves and others too therefore they are posting those into thread In beginners & help also in Scam Accusations.

The above quote is what is pointed as the intent of Beginners & Help. To be fair, the questioning spirit is less widespread on this board than the informative one, and lacking a steady flow of inquisitive threads, having a bunch of informative ones with content that is more appealing to beginners seems fitting.

Scams are, unfortunately, around us every day, and the more awareness and learned one becomes on the different types, the less likely he is to pull the tripwire on one himself. From that point of view, awareness is important, and Beginners & Help seems a good starting place for this type of information (despite there being a more in-depth board on the matter – though it’s not where a beginner would land really with ease on the forum).

There are of course many more topics that Beginners & Help could cover, of a gayer nature (read here as original meaning of the term gay), and some positive topics (as with a non-negative connotation) would help to counter the negative aura of scam related topics.

I’ve often wondered what the impression for a real Newbie is when he steps on the catwalk of Beginners & Help. Ideally, he should be able to assess what’s what, and calibre on his own what to look out for and how to safely enjoy the ride, being able to engage in Q&A sessions with cheek.

Yeah right, if the method of the scammers is new to us, we should post it right away but let's not forget to use the search button in case someone has already posted it before us. But if now one has post it, we should post it to warn everyone about that new hacking method. Because it really useless when post it after someone became a victim of it. The only problem it'll cause is the other topics that contain tips and other good resourceful posts for the newbies are being buried with this scam topics. how about someone creates a thread then all of the scams will be posted there?

I think the purpose for them posting topics about scams is to inform, to help, to warn and also to contribute to the forum and we can't hide the fact that the other purpose is to gain merits, you're right too we can't ignore that some of the threads are just reiterated from the past threads and some are identical but it actually helps someone. They definitely know the benefits of it otherwise they will not bother to know the crypto, but newbies might not know the scams lurking in this field so it's better to warn them about it. It may be useless to others but it may be useful to someone.

New trooping in members first right click is the beginners and help board In knowing recent happenings about the crypto world, something bored would often happen if the beginners section is full of scam news and update when all of that could be ready in scam and accusation board, that's exactly what op trying to figure out and it's totally true.

Me only interested in promoting scams? What kind of thinking is that?
Since when is posting scam warnings or guides to not be scammed became promoting scams?
You are trying to negate the fact that newbies fall victim to cryptocurrency scams and I gave you proof that it isn't the case.

Me giving the impression to newbies that cryptocurrencies is all about scams? You asked questions and I answered.
How about me giving the impression that scams do exist in crypto and newbies should be guided not to become a victim?
You are thinking negatively of the answers I gave.

I can't count how many times I've explained the benefits of cryptocurrencies and anything related to it both online and offline. I also mention to them the risks of phishing, $5 wrench attack, ponzi and other types of scams. It's better to tell them all and let them decide than just telling one side of the story.

You have a very good point people can discuss here what and how to avoid scam but do not talk about specific subject if they do have an specific subject about a scam project then they can do so in the scam section but if guidelines and how to avoid them then this section is a good help not only for beginners but for old members like me as well.

If I'm not mistaken, I remember someone already linked all of the topics related to Crypto scams here in Beginners & Help.

I can't find the original post, but on that topic, he listed all of the titles where you can read many types of scam that those criminals are using to fool and steal money from people.

I will update the link of the posts once I found it.

For me, the reason why there are a lot of crypto scam topics here is because it is a must be aware about the schemes and strategies that they are doing to lure people in many platforms that they are attacking. We just need to become vigilant when it comes to that because that's a big deal, it involves those money that we have worked hard for.

It's simple.
A beginner lacks knowledge. Not all, but most.
So generally they are the type of people who might be easily fell into traps of fraudsters.
I see nothing wrong in posting things related to scams here. And I do not see "bunch" of topics about that.

Not only beginners who fall victim to fraud. Some people who have been in this forum for a long time have also been cheated by scammers. Because the fraudulent methods used by scammers today continue to grow so everyone must also be vigilant. Posts related to crypto fraud, how to avoid it and various other tips will be very useful. But there are only a few posts that are indeed relevant and have benefits. Other posts that are not useful will sink with time.

Newbies doesn't read much about which board is appropriate to post such topic but posting such topic will also help spreading awareness of the said scam schemes and sites rather than being clueless about it. Yes newbies should post it on appropriate board and we can guide them.

There are new people who are introduced to bitcoins every day and scammer are always active to scam those who do not have proper knowledge about crypto currencies.
Even if we have a dedicated thread and section to educate people, there will still be people who will do mistakes and get scammed.

That's the reason we see so many issues reported in Scam accusation section of this forum.

Greed and been ignorance are things that cannot be separated from a novice in this field, it's either they possess one or the both. What they failed to understand is, there is no free money on the internet and crypto space. It's either you invest or work for it.

Some newbies are not aware that there is a particular board for scam accusations.
That's probably one reason or maybe that is the main reason why there are lots of topics here regarding scams.

For anyone who aren't aware of that board, here it is: Scam Accusations  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0)
It's a lot better to discuss your issues there.
Though I guess, it is fine to create topics here regarding scams.

Just because fiat has a lot of scams, doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about crypto scams. Crypto scams are a big part of this ecosystem, unfortunately. Take altcoins and ICOs, majority of them are scams. And ponzis, doublers and cloud mining still plague Bitcoin. Even if 95% of newbies will avoid the scams on their own, which is very optimistic to say, it's still worth it to warn the rest of them, so I personally don't mind the clutter that these scam warning create.

I remember reading in meta board few topics asking the admin to add a board dedicated to such kind of threads (security, scams, phishing...) but their request didn't get approved.
Right now Beginners and Help is the most suitable boatd for theses treads as newbies are the main target of scammers and it's important to warn them about different scam schemes.

There is no benefit in reading about how to make profit if you don't know how to secure this profit and keep it safe in first place.

The best way to security is prior information, it helps to prepare you for what your up against. It's more easier to read that which is lodging at your face quite often than that which seems passive.
Having frequent posts on scam isn't really a bad idea with the fact that, scamming ng seems to be the order of the day, the trends of our time across almost every field especially within the cryptosphere. Coupled with the fact that, the scam schemes is often changing as they are being discovered. The need for awareness is very necessary to ensure the fears of newbies and amateur crypto investors never come to light as scammers constitute one of the main factor against the influx of investors in the cryptosphere.