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I posted it in Trading Discussion as I want to know the side of traders in trading per se, as you might be recommending this to be moved on AltDisc.

Recently, I've come up to this doubt in what factors do we need to consider in trusting an ICO (Initial Coin Offering)? But this is the issue why I've been thinking if I should lend a trust and invest or not:


Here's some facts about the XNC:

• So basically, it wouldn't be listed on any cryptocurrency exchanges, nor be in any open markets, but rather in direct p2p exchange using MEW and any possible forms of transaction.
• It's presale price is 40Php (Philippine Peso) to 50Php in September 1's ICO release.
• It would be used especially as a payment system on illegal activities.
• 100Php is the transaction fee per buy and 1000PHP or 25XNC is the minimum you can buy.
• You'll use MEW as the wallet.
• NO WHITE PAPER NOR ANY LEGAL DOCUMENTATION.. because its purpose is for illegals.. lol
  

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Hence, I was shocked in how would they earn nor make its price grow from 40Php on Pre-Sale and 50Php on their ICO without even making it on the open market? Yes, many Filipinos might be investing on this ICO as it promises so much (and us Filipinos are too lazy to search for what is a crypto and what is an ICO hence as long as they think they'll earn, they/we invest...), but if presale would be available in any countries that has connections with the XNC Founder, how can it even influx the price for 20% increase? I only think this would be possible if they managed to exchange the supported countries' fiat to each other.

What I doubt more is that just this day, some Chinese POGO owner bought almost 500,000 (0.6667%) of 75M Total Supply of XNC, in which ONLY COSTS 18PHP, yet if a normal person would buy, it costs twice. Then it scares me as if such amount would be sold by almost 25Php (half) upon ICO release, then it would dump the price and such investments of 40Php would be somehow gone..

Am I getting the logic here right? The Crypto Open Market makes a price bigger, and so the re-sellers of a certain coin as well, depending on many factors such as the volume etc. But then not releasing such ICO on the crypto market, how would it even increase it's price??

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Didn't Philistines have a president who himself encouraged citizens to go out and murder addicts in cold blood?
I can't imagine how there hasn't been a crackdown for a coin with the explicit goal of supporting illegal transactions. If this isn't shut down fast it has the potential to stain the image of crypto in the entire country, which is already pretty conservative leaning from what I can see. Hopefully this bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch.

Did I even mentioned anything political and social issues about the country? What's Philistines btw lol. I haven't even stated anything related to such matters...


Nah, crypto already had a bad image in the Philippines, as many had used it as a front to scam fellow Filipinos (immoral right?) by saying they can double investments through BTC while showing fraudulent proofs such as images of money then the rest follows. I don't think that many FIlipinos that still haven't seen XNC Founder's page, would even invest in here as they don't have any legal documentation nor registered in any government financial and trading related departments. Yet if the popularity grows drastic, then I might post and warn everyone with this probable scam..

The better questions:
- Would you still trust an ICO?
- Would you still trust a convicted criminal running an obvious fake project?

The founder looks like trolling to me and the token will be used to make the industry a laughing stock. If the country regulators won't put an end to this quickly, they should all be fired.

Virtual central bank? What the hell is that  ???
The price shall be stable but projected to increase 300% to 400% by 2021?  ::)

I'm pretty sure that the Philippines SEC will give a warning if not going to kill this project before it takes off. The Philippines is very welcome with regards to bitcoin and the rest of the crypto market, they have their own exchange coins.ph. So pretty much the government will or have this scammers on their radar and could be one day put down for good.

I'd never see a reason why we pushed ourselves to invest in this project knowing that it is for illegal purposes. We are cleaning the market from scam/fake projects and that it brought attention to the authorities since the growth of the same scheme is very rampant.

I don't think that it will catch the attention of the community but probably just being ignored.
maybe we have to report this to the authorities so they will take action in regards. And this also help to retain the trust of the people toward crypto which is once has been called a scam.

I already don't trust ICOs in any way but especially if it's an ICO from Asia it makes me even more careful. And before anyone says anything I'm Asian myself, so I know how these things work and how they go. We're very very good at marketing, and sometimes you can get a sense from the marketing, whether it is just talk or if there will be a lot of action? And this one doesn't have the good vibe. Not saying it has a bad vibe though. But you can't launch this project in Philippines without approval, so I wouldn't get myself trapped there.

Besides, no good investor still participate in ICO, only the less knowledgeable Filipinos investors would still participate in this fraudulent project. I see a very big crash in this, failing the rules of cryptocurrency presale system. Isn't it exchange increases the price of coins? How could a stable coin could rise up to 300%-400% by 2021. They know nothing about cryptocurrency since their purpose is for a criminal and illegal acts.
Attacking and stopping this project at it fresh start would be pretty good so they never invade and scam so many Filipino investors, as this will tarnish the image of crypto usage in the country, dealing something with fraudsters is a mistake ever taking cause at last same user will be scammed as well, so best way to report it to Philippines SEC if any exist.

SEC Philippines will have hard time to take this down again, especially it is under cryptocurrency. All SEC Philippines can do will make advisories just like what happened in Forsage.
For sure this will be the start of another level of ponzi schemes in Philippines, using cryptocurrencies. It's just sad for people from Philippines that don't have much knowledge and just want an easy money.

Right now, I didn't see any notification about the SEC about the action of this XIAN coin but still, there are some people makes an investment on this coin because they know the founder of this coin and some of them are taking already a prediction that this coin will become profitable and comes up the market value into one (1) dollar per Xian coin. I think the SEC will take immediately takes an action regarding this coin.

We all know that most of the people knows a new ICO they made an investment because they think its looks like bitcoin that will gives to them a good marker profit soon.

Nah , I will never invest any money for a known scammers they even telling us what is his background before so its very dangerous to trust this man . besides ,they start investing in illegal activity already which is another red flag do you really have idea where they plan to use the money they want to raised from that crowd funding?

The 9m investment from pogo is I think his way to make it more legitimate that he is trusted by a big group of company. Scammer is scammers and it will never change.

Without white paper we won't know what is the idea behind this coin/token, We completely don't know about it's plans, etc. It's a big NO How will investors get interested in something they have no clue what it is all about? This sounds like a ponzi they are promising that your money gets x2 or more, all about money not cryptocurrency and blockchain technology. They have the confidence to run an ICO without proper documents, it is surely a sh*tcoin, pump and dump if it gets listed.

There are still good ICOs out there that only had less clients and investors due to the past accidents that changed the image of bounties and ICO projects. Not to promote the Founder, but that criminal already "were trying" to change his life and was helping a lot of those whom in need... but usually trolls on the social media with his wealth lol (it's somewhat funny tho if you're a Filipino :D)

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Nah, the Founder isn't even on the Philippines nor allowed to go back in the country as well, and he wouldn't launch the ICO on the country of course. Everything would only happen online. If you would read his posts in his personal Facebook account (I'm too busy to look it up sorry), he managed to escape the country's airports security despite his pending cases, kinda rude that he literally posted every step he took (like on the movies lol), yet kinda funny as it portrays the poor management of the government with such matters. But still, SEC can only warn their fellow Filipinos, but even them had already see crypto in general as a scam due to many local scams that used it.

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Will try to do this tomorrow and simply make a long posts about the facts and why not to trust such then use that post as my reference in reporting it on SEC as well. Many had invested and this would take a hard time.. but I will try! Thanks!

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And the funny thing here is that it only costs 18per coin which must be 40. Also, he didn't mentioned the transaction fee's dependencies such as the higher the buy the higher the fee, yet I think no matter how huge your investment (hopefully no one would..), the fee would only be approx 2$.

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I've already mentioned that they will use the XNC as their "bitcoin" for their transactions and payment system throughout their illegal activities. Hence, there's no wonder that there would still people who would invest in it, particularly those that are have illegal connections with the founder.

7days after that shitcoin started he already collected more than 280,000$ which is literally low if you are going to compare it the other ICO that failed and success. The hype is only for Philippines and I am still sure that XNC will fail and a lot of people are going to lose money in Philippines. And in addition the 9M PHP that he posted can be fake, so yeah, it's totally a scam and the only thing that people are buying it is because of the hype.

This is the first time I'm hearing about the project and reading through the thread, I didn't see any reason why I would probably want to participate in their token sale / ICO. The project proposition is laughable too. This is like saying "we're a public entity for facilitating illegal transactions, invest in us". Well, here's a couple of reasons why I wouldn't participate in the sale even though I had free money to do so:

1. Like you said, Its a "controlled" ICO so a no, no decision for me.
2. Not being able to trade it openly on crypto exchanges is a big turn off for me. I've had my fair share of ICOs that didn't get a chance to be listed on exchanges and I know how it turned out.
3. The price would be heavily manipulated.
4. Possible scam. Most shady ICO schemes in the past like this don't always end up well. Usually leaves people hanging or in tears.

^ I really do not trust a digital asset without white paper or any legal documents, and for the record, even me is Amazed How an ICO grows more supporter and even reaches the end date of the presale and collects a huge amount of money.
Here is a fact also. the new trend as of these days, investors do believe that if an ICO, creates a bounty campaign they think that it will possibly dump after the end of I.C.O because it gives free coin (Bounty)(thinks that the coin is not valuable). and the worst part is the shiller, they will hire shiller, and those shenanigans will hype the group so that investors think that the community is alive and so good to be true.
That is where Ethereum is useful.

Thanks for saving up me some time on reading it all and you have summarized all of they key words. ;)

Do still people havent learned specially in Philippines for those who get victimized by Xian Gaza on previous ponzi schemes? and having that National scammer name tagged?
Only fools would still trust this man.

Virtual bank bullshitness all the way.. Its clear that this guy is really just making an another erc20 shitcoin to make himself rich when people got fooled and do pretend that
the coin price had depleted just because huge number of people had sell out without even realizing that he owns a large partition.

It would be the next scam for sure.

Lol I read the thread from beginning to the end. Anyway, I also don’t understand how the project is going to work when they are not going to make it available on any exchange. And another thing I’d like say is that investing in a token or coin that is owned by someone that has bad records doesn’t seem like a good idea.

I don’t know for you all though, but for me, that would be a bad idea. And what makes them so sure that the value will increase up to 400% in the year 2021? They can’t be so sure about that or can they? I don’t think so. Everything about this project doesn’t seem right to me, I would rather invest/buy coins that I can understand what it’s all about.

The founder Is a known scammer, he's good in talking and uses Facebook as he's market. It was posted there he got someone who invested in this project personally during these presale. The target of these project are the newbie who didn't know anything about cryptocurrency. He puts high hope in the people,. His website looks bluffing but why there people buying his coin, they should be notified that it's a pure scam and will only benefit the owner. It should be reported fast in the government.

This topic has been discussed here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5268518).

I believed no one will trust this project, unless if the investors didn't know the founder of this project but if you have to conduct a background check you will find out how huge money he has been scammed.

I don't even understand what makes useful this project, everything is under control by the founder and anytime he will exit and run away the investor's money. He will might be laugh those who been fooled with him.

Just a tip, don't be a brave fool trying to invest even you know already the founder just because of greed, a brave fool was still a fool.

Well, yeah... It's kind of an oddity how a government that's so authoritarian on illegal transactions lets such wrong doings fly with crypto crypto and related pyramid schemes. Makes you wonder how corrupt officials might be. Potentially they're even directly benefiting directly with bribes from such schemes for such matters to fly under the government's radar. 

This will burn a lot of investors money.

Investors who are hopeful with that coin doesn't have any particular knowledge about cryptocurrencies. ICOs are not viable anymore if they don't know it and with those points of having no whitepaper or so.

If the investors insist that they'll make money on it as what it says in the description with a 300%+ increase, that's a crazy promise.

The huge purchase is just for a show to attract more lack of knowledge investors.

ICOs that are considered good today are those backed by big personalities and big exchanges. It's not just about the utility anymore.

Meh. Launching a meme token to fool the gullible people and enrich himself just means he hasn't changed at all. 


What if the founder himself or his co-conpirator is just manipulating the "token sale"?

It is a problem everywhere.

This pandemic has hit hard and made people desperately want to earn money. And with by means of everything, they'll get in even if they don't understand as long as they hear that they can earn money from it without any explanations.

They just want to hear it, "hey you'll make x1000 after several months or xx years on this if you invest now."

I am an active follower of the CEO of this coin and I idolize the scam schemes he exposed on his vlogs but as an educated cryptocurrency user I don't really recommend giving my trust and support in this. It's obvious on what is his intension about launching this coin, Having no whitepaper at least is one sign of a scam attempt. It's just ironic because he is exposing scams all over the Philippines but now he's doing a scam scheme. I've seen too much shilling on his page, People who invested and asking others to invest too, Just a disappointing thing to see.

The centralization is enough for me to avoid participating. 

So, he controls the "virtual central bank"? Meaning he alone (and maybe few others) make the decision and can do whenever he/they want with the central bank?

Well, I don't think this even qualify as a true cryptocurrency. It breaks lot of the basic standards of a true crypto.

Even though Xian coin can provide large profits, if the purpose of making an ICO project is only for illegal activities, of course I will not
support ICO projects such as Xian coin. Because I am looking for profit, I don't want to go through illegal channels, surely many will wonder
why Xian coin can increase the value. Even though there is no whitepaper or legal documentation. In the crypto world, it can happen if there is
a lot of demand for Xian coin. Due to the increase in crypto prices based on supply and demand, I suggest looking for sustenance in the right way.
Don't get profit through Xian coin, because if you invest in Xian coin you are indirectly supporting illegal activities.

He did.

And by all means, people are blindly following him and are too eager and excited with the claims that the coin will be worth blah blah blah in the future.

Scams like this make a lot of people look to crypto as a bad place to invest.

Once a scammer, will always be a scammer.

Only fool people will enter in his investment as we know that he is well-known scammer. If there is a credibility that I see to him, that is when he exposed other scam investment such as Kapa. However, it would never remove my doubt that he only run this coin for the sake of himself. I don`t know why there are still people willing to invest to a scammer. They really thinking that this man has concerns after all.

The team and their minions are hyping the coin at all PH forums, small or not, and social media groups. That alone is enough reason for me not to support the coin.

And the truth is, no way I will support any ICO/IEO that was started by a Filipino even the owner, devs and the team itself don't have a bad track history. Sad truth but most of PH organized project like this is more of hype.

Maybe my "kababayan" will goes mad at my statement but wake up please. There's no such thing that a project will know that their expected value in the future will be huge. XIAN COIN minions are confident they will surpass bitcoin's dominance. :)

Obviously not, it is hard to repeat the same mistakes again and trust issues really matters right now.

I don't care about the sales talk that he did just to make other people understand cryptocurrency. Many people are really interested when it comes to an easy money, but they should understand that cryptocurrency is not like that. This project will probably benefit him, and not the people who invested to it. It really takes a lot of time for this new coin to gain a lot of reputation and it takes more than 5 to 10 years to see its full potential.


In Philippines, I will just stay in using bitcoin because of the reputation it has in the market instead of risking another investment with a coin that comes from a convicted criminal who scammed a lot of people before.

This is just a ordinary tokens so there is no way this one  can surpass bitcoins maybe in their dreams . They are confident because they are doing scam before, so even this one they created turn to be scam they already know what to do we need to understand that justice in ph is not serve for every one so even how many times he do it you are free as long as you have the money.

I have a relative that are not really aware of cryptocurrency. To my shock he did pm me about xnc or xian coin. He is working in Dubai and told me that there are some of his co worker interested/and already invested. It seems social media power is boundless. But I told him, the precautions and explained to him anything that could pursuade him to be aware of the consequence. Well, Im not in the position to stop him but only to inform and educate him right? Still his judgement based on my inputs.

Cant blame you though with the past history of Philippines ICO/IEO projects held by our own countrymen. But be proud that there is one legit from Philippines that Im sure its legit and gonna work fine and be succesful more in the future. Swipe project that are partnered with Binance is a Filipino product made by our own countrymen (https://swipe.io/about#team). This project is really high valuation so for me, its one of the succesful project ever contributed by the Philippines.

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Xnc coin can be hyped but Im sure loopholes will slowly come out and eventually turn this project down.

It will be very difficult to surpass bitcoin, even for surpass the other tokens.
But that token can surpass the other tokens if the team can works until the project reach their goals one by one.
We hope that people who invest in that tokens knows what they did, and they need to prepare themselves if somehow, the project fails to reach their target in the future.
We don't know how the team can increase the price, but we can let them do what they need to do.
Meanwhile, we can leave the token as it, and it is better to search for the other potential coins/tokens.

Too bad that these people who will invest into this coin are going to find themselves crying once this owner starts to run away with their money.

There are still a bunch of gullible people that believes with every such word an owner says. They have to understand what crypto really is.

If. that is the case then at least this is good way to start with, instead of waiting for the last minute of making advisories until it's too late. I'm not familiar with Forsage, but when the current boom of crypto again, there will be lots of scammers taking advantage of unsuspecting victims and it's high time that Philippine SEC will get their hands dirty and start giving advisories to Filipinos not to fall for this scams.

There are still people who believes that there's an easy access to earned a lot, people who keep trying to
engage and participate blindly they only after with quick benefits.
We will not be surprise anymore about those crying investor after the coin collapse and the owner / team
are no where to find.
For now the only help is to keep alerting them that the project can do harmed and there's a big potential
in losing there money instead of gaining from it.

The target of the founder is those who didn't know anything about crypto. He is known scammer yet too good in getting people's attention as if favoring in him. He's totally good in scamming and using bitcoin as marketing. Hopefully this sale will stop, we're all waiting for the sec to release a notification to let the people know it's a scam it's too hard to explain in Facebook that it was scam as if they are really willing to get scam since they dont6study whats it all about, a easy scam plan from the founder.

It is exactly as you say it is. This ICO is obviously not an ICO there is not public involved, in fact the only people involved are those who are on it from the beginning. There's no real reason for the token price to increase since as you say it there's no listing on any exchange so the only way an increase in token price comes about is from artificial inflation and manipulation.

The standards of an ICO don't change, and that's no matter what token or which continent you are releasing the token. Investors won't get into it without a whitepaper or any sort of document to show how the idea will make them money.

It really makes no sense that you would buy a specific coin that you could exchange for a fiat currency of limited numbers.

I mean if you have bitcoin be sure that you could exchange that to fiat anytime you want, any fiat at any country you want, bitcoin is a wanted thing in every nation and when you offer like 5% discount you can sell it all over the world without any trouble. Hell I went to vacation to a whole another country and I had no money left (well not the fiat of that nation, I still had money in my own nations fiat) so I sold some bitcoin there and got their own money, it was incredibly simple, they showed me a QR code and I showed my phone that and paid them and they gave me cash right there, I think they got it 3% cheaper so I was out only 3% which is a lot if you want to constantly do it but nothing in that scenario.

Xian coin was created from a scam and what do you buy it for? Most of the investors here are not underground people and the service of Xian coin is meaningless to us. Currently, underworld components still use bitcoin normally and the demand is so high, why should they use Xian coin? I do not see any potential from this idea at all, it is not suitable for the present time.

It isnt an ICO but its just been disguised to be one and trying to fool people via doing and ICO.This is indeed involved only selected people who do most likely own huge supply that the coin.
If this one is created by a previous or known scammer then its no brainer that you cant trust this one up.How a coin would increase its price to 300% .For the government of said country,
wouldnt they trying to watch out for this mans activity?
Would they let that they would ran an another possible scam investment? It is really just hard to believe that they are still letting this man even if he's already known or do had
some background or fooling or scamming people.

They certainly do because they don't know how exactly it works. And with the means of thriving to earn with the hard times, they will try everything and hope for it completely.

But in the end of it, they will only see the frustration due to the scams like this. I won't be surprised if there will be threads like this from a victim and telling the story how they've ended up scammed by the owner.

If I am having a money, I will not invest in this thing, especially that this coin is about almost 1$ each with a large supply in the market, I do not know the whole mission of this project as well, Mr. Gaza is a good businessman but the thing is, there is a difference in crypto market projects and some businesses that are not in the web, I rather choose to invest in XRP, it is a lot cheaper than that coin, and it is a well-known coin and in the top exchanges as well, I would rather with some ICO or IEO that has their own product before going to crypto industry.

In fact, problems with ICO appeared due to the fact that scammers practically stole investment funds, deceiving investors. At the same time, no one could return their investments or at least sue the team of the fraudulent project. It seems to me that if there is a certain control in order to prevent fraud, then ICO projects will again be able to interest investors in the cryptocurrency market.

To be honest, I’m not really a fan of Xian Gaza. I never followed any of his posts despite that he had so many followers and dubbing himself as “Pambansang Scammer ng Pilipinas” (National Scammer of the Philippines). A close friend of mine told me about him when he was still not yet involved in crypto, he was good in motivating people in some networking seminars. Despite that, I wouldn’t trust him and may not gonna invest in his coin.

Starting an ICO in the Philippines is tough and needs to comply with lots of legal requirements from Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas, CEZA (Cagayan Economic Zone Authority) and SEC Philippines.

I wouldn’t bet on his project, even as a fellow kababayan. I rather go bullish on BTC, ETH, NWC, XLM, ADA, LINK, TRX, VET and OMG. Just my two sats.

Thought this only happened in my country where different ICO pumps up promising outrageous returns even when they're not yet tradable in exchange like presale to mainsale. The difference with this project been discussed here and some I have seen getting hyped in my country is that atleast those can be traded on decentralized platform and some on centralized exchange probably been controlled by the projects themselves.

But nevertheless, irrespective of how they can be traded or price manipulated, they still fall under the same category. They're all scam and I won't trust them. Never invested nor traded any and I know I won't be doing that anytime soon.