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Title: Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on August 19, 2020, 03:05:30 PM
Blackjack (also called "21") is a classic casino card game that fun to play especially with friends to beat the dealer.
As the name 21 implies, the objective of the game is to come as close to 21 points as possible with your cards without going over and having a higher total than the dealer.

The casino industry was already evolving and adapt to the new normal due to pandemic, We are forced to play online at our home.
Out of many live blackjack game providers, Evolution gaming stuns us by delivering a wide variety of Blackjack that offers different cool features.




INFINITE BLACKJACK


A massively scalable Live Blackjack with unlimited seats at the table, low bet limits, four optional side bets (Any Pair, 21+3, Hot 3 and Bust It), and the Six Card Charlie rule.

In the main game, a limitless number of players are dealt with a common initial two-card hand. Thereafter, each player has complete freedom to play that hand just the way they want.




FREE BET BLACKJACK


Part of Infinite range of games, Free Bet Blackjack is based on the most popular variety of Blackjack played in land-based casinos. The game includes the big added attraction of selected free Double Down and Split bets.

In Free Bet Blackjack players get a free Double Down bet on two-card with hard totals of 9, 10 or 11. Added to that are free Split bets on all pairs except 10s. What’s more, the free bets are automatically offered to the player whenever their hand qualifies, so there’s no effort required by the player.


NOTE: Free Bet Blackjack comes with four optional side bets (Any Pair, 21+3, Hot 3 and Bust It) and the Six Card Charlie rule.




POWER BLACKJACK


This type of Blackjack is the latest installment in an Infinite range of games where an unlimited number of players have the chance to win big. The game includes the opportunity to Double, Triple or Quadruple Down on any two initial cards, even after a split!

The game is played with 8 decks, where the 9s and 10s have been removed from each deck but picture cards remain in the deck. This means 64 cards less in the shoe and the opportunity for Blackjack players to try new strategies.


NOTE: Power Blackjack comes with four optional side bets (Any Pair, 21+3, Hot 3 and Bust It) but there is no Six Card Charlie rule.




SPEED BLACKJACK


Speed Blackjack is the fastest Blackjack yet and the latest addition to the Speed family of games. The game follows the same rules as regular Blackjack but with a key difference – the dealing order when it is time for the player to make their decision.

Each player’s first two cards are dealt as normal. When the dealing is complete, all players are simultaneously offered the opportunity to Hit, Double Down or Split. The player who makes the fastest decision will get their next card dealt first





Sauce (https://www.evolutiongaming.com/our-games/live-blackjack)


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Darker45 on August 20, 2020, 04:24:54 AM
Are all these blackjack varieties available in one single crypto gambling site such as Blackjack.fun?

The game includes the opportunity to Double, Triple or Quadruple Down on any two initial cards, even after a split!

This is particularly interesting to me. I have only played blackjack with double downs so far, not triple, especially not quadruple. This is indeed power blackjack. It makes me wanna try it.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on August 20, 2020, 11:14:58 AM
Are all these blackjack varieties available in one single crypto gambling site such as Blackjack.fun?

The game includes the opportunity to Double, Triple or Quadruple Down on any two initial cards, even after a split!

This is particularly interesting to me. I have only played blackjack with double downs so far, not triple, especially not quadruple. This is indeed power blackjack. It makes me wanna try it.


I believe only casino that offers live blackjack caters this game. Blackjack.fun don't offer live casino so unfortunately you can't play that game there.
This game was available on many famous casino like Fortunejack, Sportsbet and Roobet. I believe there still a lot of famous casino offers it because evolution gaming(Live Casino Provider) are very famous on this industry. Freebet is interest me because you can get free double down while you only wager your initial bet so it will not be that bad if you lose that double down. The only downside is when the dealer get 22 count, The round will be draw but still you have a lot chance of profit because you can double down on 9,10,11 count.  :D

Let me know if you will play so that I can play with you live. You will see some dumb-asses there that split 20's while dealer faced up card was 10 :D


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Darker45 on August 20, 2020, 02:43:12 PM
Are all these blackjack varieties available in one single crypto gambling site such as Blackjack.fun?

The game includes the opportunity to Double, Triple or Quadruple Down on any two initial cards, even after a split!

This is particularly interesting to me. I have only played blackjack with double downs so far, not triple, especially not quadruple. This is indeed power blackjack. It makes me wanna try it.

I believe only casino that offers live blackjack caters this game. Blackjack.fun don't offer live casino so unfortunately you can't play that game there.
This game was available on many famous casino like Fortunejack, Sportsbet and Roobet. I believe there still a lot of famous casino offers it because evolution gaming(Live Casino Provider) are very famous on this industry. Freebet is interest me because you can get free double down while you only wager your initial bet so it will not be that bad if you lose that double down. The only downside is when the dealer get 22 count, The round will be draw but still you have a lot chance of profit because you can double down on 9,10,11 count.  :D

Let me know if you will play so that I can play with you live. You will see some dumb-asses there that split 20's while dealer faced up card was 10 :D

I cannot for now. Maybe next time. Thanks for the invitation.

I moved to another box just this June and I honestly miss playing classic blackjack, among other things I used to do online. My DSL internet connection which I applied for relocation a couple of months ago hasn't been done yet. I am now making do with a wifi modem which is too slow for sites such as crypto casinos. Currently suffering from third world country problems. Zzzzz.

By the way, I must also be a dumb ass as I also do that at times. LOL.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Coin_trader on August 21, 2020, 05:01:45 AM
Evolution gaming is one of my all time favorite live games provider because of there offer RTP(Return to Players) percentage was good with mostly 96.1% in all there games. I never play the Power BJ and Freebet because I find it too risky and my greed factor was high whenever I play with that odds. I'm happy on infinite BJ alone and betting with there side bet. IIRC there are some disadvantage on that 2 BJ like there 9 & 10 cards are removed on the deck which is very favorable to the dealer because your chance to get 19 and above during your initial 2 cards was very small and you are forced to hit always because you have high chance to get a lower than 17 card. It's either you stand or take a risk to hit. Don't get cocky on there offer and always play safe.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on August 21, 2020, 01:52:00 PM
IIRC there are some disadvantage on that 2 BJ like there 9 & 10 cards are removed on the deck which is very favorable to the dealer because your chance to get 19 and above during your initial 2 cards was very small and you are forced to hit always because you have high chance to get a lower than 17 card. It's either you stand or take a risk to hit. Don't get cocky on there offer and always play safe.

I understand your point but it's a small price to pay for a possible more profit compared on regular Blackjack that offers you the typical double down then fuck up when you hit a small card. At least on Freebet Blackjack, You can double down without too much pressure because you are betting original amount of bet. I'm using a strategy table and combined it to true count method although it's not that effective on continuous shuffle deck but still it will give you some advantage by knowing what is the majority of cards remaining on the deck.

Power Blackjack and Freebet Blackjack is much better than the regular table blackjack because the game is fast phase. And we all know that the longer we play, The chance of losing is increasing due to human error. Just bet responsibly  ;)


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on July 22, 2021, 08:27:25 AM
SPEED BLACKJACK


Speed Blackjack is the fastest Blackjack yet and the latest addition to the Speed family of games. The game follows the same rules as regular Blackjack but with a key difference – the dealing order when it is time for the player to make their decision.

Each player’s first two cards are dealt as normal. When the dealing is complete, all players are simultaneously offered the opportunity to Hit, Double Down or Split. The player who makes the fastest decision will get their next card dealt first



It's been a long time since I didn't update this thread, Just recently play on Blackjackfun tournament so I remember to check out this new type of blackjack offered by evolution gaming.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: ralle14 on July 22, 2021, 04:21:34 PM
So far i've only tried Infinite and Power blackjack since I remember these two usually have the lowest limits and I only ended up playing one of the two whenever the tables are full for classic blackjack. The freebet blackjack sounds interesting, at first I thought you can only play there once you receive a blackjack free bet since some casinos give out those type of rewards, might play a few rounds later today if the limits are low enough for me.  :D


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 22, 2021, 10:26:06 PM
Black Jack was one of the first games of chance for which I was interested in the world of gambling as well as Poker and Dice, the only thing that always stopped me from casino sites is that I did not have the information of how many masses were handled when playing, because when playing with only 1 deck the strategy is usually different than when playing for 2 or 3 decks of cards.

In fact in the bitcasino.io thread there is a very interesting read on the types of strategies, OP refers to various types of Black Jack presentations that are very realistic and this attracts more players, but within the short time I have Playing in casino platforms I have learned those details regarding 21. Many times the strategies help to win or have some advantage, it is best to play 21 in open online tournaments as well as poker, since the chances of winning increase.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Wexnident on July 23, 2021, 04:58:55 AM
Infinite blackjack looks interesting, as well as the other variations of it. I've never had the chance to try it iirc ever since I stopped gambling since I mostly played poker and crash games back then. I used to play Blackjack but then stopped, now I'm quite tempted to actually try them out. Might do so when I get my next paycheck I suppose. This is gonna burn a hole in my budget since I'm going to try entering gambling once again.

Power blackjack also looks fun, It's like a go big or go home kind of thing, my type ngl. I only play 1 to 2 rounds of Crash back then most of the time, almost betting half of my allotted budget for fun.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on July 23, 2021, 05:48:58 AM
Infinite blackjack looks interesting, as well as the other variations of it. I've never had the chance to try it iirc ever since I stopped gambling since I mostly played poker and crash games back then. I used to play Blackjack but then stopped, now I'm quite tempted to actually try them out. Might do so when I get my next paycheck I suppose. This is gonna burn a hole in my budget since I'm going to try entering gambling once again.

Power blackjack also looks fun, It's like a go big or go home kind of thing, my type ngl. I only play 1 to 2 rounds of Crash back then most of the time, almost betting half of my allotted budget for fun.

Infinite Blackjack is perfect for short tempered person because you are playing 1 on 1 with the dealer with same card to every player. But the best blackjack type here base on my experience was the freebet blackjack, You can have free double down on your bet once you have 10 or 11 card iirc. If you have a tight budget, This is perfect to win more while less risk on bet.  Power blackjack is the most risky because you can do up to x4 no matter what is your initial card count.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Beparanf on July 23, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
I play infinite blackjack before on sports bet, There might be a lot of bot players playing on that game playing at the same time with real player, There's always someone hitting @19 and 20 while the face up card of the banker is lower than 9. There's something shady on that part of evolution gaming game.

Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: john_nautica on July 23, 2021, 01:31:06 PM
I was just curious does only Evolution Gaming provide such types of live blackjack? or there are other gaming providers which offers different types of blackjack? It's so nice to know that they can make a simple game more excitement than the original and yet, no surprise if many people will be addicted to this kind of games.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on July 23, 2021, 01:53:58 PM
Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: ralle14 on July 23, 2021, 04:35:25 PM
I was just curious does only Evolution Gaming provide such types of live blackjack? or there are other gaming providers which offers different types of blackjack? It's so nice to know that they can make a simple game more excitement than the original and yet, no surprise if many people will be addicted to this kind of games.
Afaik they're the only provider to offer these types of blackjack. The other live casino providers i've seen doesn't seem that popular as they only have a few tables available compared to Evolution.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.
I mean if you look at it in another perspective that 22 could've been a bust win though but I guess it depends on what you prefer since free double downs can sometimes work in your favor.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Beparanf on July 24, 2021, 08:15:10 AM
Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.


Fair point no complain about it, I'm just trying to warn everyone that it's not really an easy free bet as it looks like. I've been playing that game before and it really frustrating that your won got cancel multiple times because the dealer got bust at 22. They remove some card on the deck (10 card I guess) so that the result of 22 will increase because only few cards can increase the count greater than 22.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: panjul07 on July 24, 2021, 08:53:27 AM
Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.


Fair point no complain about it, I'm just trying to warn everyone that it's not really an easy free bet as it looks like. I've been playing that game before and it really frustrating that your won got cancel multiple times because the dealer got bust at 22. They remove some card on the deck (10 card I guess) so that the result of 22 will increase because only few cards can increase the count greater than 22.

This is a serious issue if you have solid evidence to prove that evolution gaming is removing some cards on the deck, do they admit it themselves?
Otherwise it is just a baseless accusation and many people may think that you are spreading FUD.
I'm not familiar with live blackjack games as well as evolution gaming so I have no ideas whether what you say is true or not.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: magneto on July 24, 2021, 11:16:14 AM
I personally prefer speed blackjack. Classic, simple and quick.

But I think that if you are looking for a game that gives you the maximum RTP then potentially infinite blackjack would be better for you - provided that you play the optimal strategy.

Is it worth it to learn a whole new set of strategies just to get that few hundredth of a percentage of extra edge? Probably not, imo. Just play the game that you like the most.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: alegotardo on July 24, 2021, 11:34:09 AM
Nothing replaces the face-to-face BlackJack in gambling, but I must assume that with the Covid-19 pandemic the sites seem to have invested a lot and BlackJack's live matches today bring a very pleasant experience to players, far superior when compared to a match against bots or what we had until a few years ago.

Despite dropping cards and chips it's been a while, sometimes I go back to playing classic BlackJack just for fun, I've heard about Evolution but never created an account there... I think I'll spend some chips this weekend :P


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on October 28, 2021, 11:59:29 AM

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Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Cling18 on October 28, 2021, 02:05:18 PM
I play infinite blackjack before on sports bet, There might be a lot of bot players playing on that game playing at the same time with real player, There's always someone hitting @19 and 20 while the face up card of the banker is lower than 9. There's something shady on that part of evolution gaming game.

Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

I certainly agree with this because I've tried playing it before and still ended up with nothing but, to be honest, I enjoyed it at first and then realized later on that there's a shady part on it. I didn't win even a single time. I guess that's already a lesson learned for me but I was just curious about it that time.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Victorycoin on October 29, 2021, 03:21:40 AM
To start this kind of live blackjack gaming evolution, choose the right gambling setting you will not find such services in casinos, so you should pay attention to gambling portals live online casinos are much more realistic and interesting than standard roulette. But one of the real gaming tables is with a professional casino dealer at a regular casino the main advantage is the original and you can control the game and its actions these will make the games full of excitement.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on October 29, 2021, 05:34:12 PM
To start this kind of live blackjack gaming evolution, choose the right gambling setting you will not find such services in casinos, so you should pay attention to gambling portals live online casinos are much more realistic and interesting than standard roulette. But one of the real gaming tables is with a professional casino dealer at a regular casino the main advantage is the original and you can control the game and its actions these will make the games full of excitement.

Agreed. Ultimate gambling experience is certainly can get only on playing physically on a Casino but due to this Pandemic, Many casino decided to temporarily close or limit the number of customer that can enter. In our country, Only VIP members are allowed to play on the casino during the first wave of Pandemic last year. That time I discover this live casino and play my favorite game live while sitting on my couch.

Try to play while your device is connected to a quality speaker. It will makes you feel like playing inside the casino especially if the dealer is very entertaining just like what all the dealers of Evolution Gaming doing.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: timerland on October 31, 2021, 12:35:22 AM
A lot of people are neglecting infinite blackjack but it's actually a very good game.

Better RTP compared to normal speed blackjack actually which is definitely a plus.

At the end of the day though if you are trying to card count with any of these games, it's not going to work. Deck penetration is way too big for that.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on October 31, 2021, 11:36:23 AM
A lot of people are neglecting infinite blackjack but it's actually a very good game.

Better RTP compared to normal speed blackjack actually which is definitely a plus.

At the end of the day though if you are trying to card count with any of these games, it's not going to work. Deck penetration is way too big for that.

The only thing that so annoying on infinite Blackjack are when there is noob player that splitting pair of 10 or hitting above 19 card, Sometimes they are hitting the card that was meant for the dealer to have a bust card but since they hit it, The dealer can get much better card that sometimes result to a better count to the player. But infinite Blackjack is the best for solo gaming since all of the players have same hands except when there is a split.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: timerland on October 31, 2021, 11:07:52 PM
A lot of people are neglecting infinite blackjack but it's actually a very good game.

Better RTP compared to normal speed blackjack actually which is definitely a plus.

At the end of the day though if you are trying to card count with any of these games, it's not going to work. Deck penetration is way too big for that.

The only thing that so annoying on infinite Blackjack are when there is noob player that splitting pair of 10 or hitting above 19 card, Sometimes they are hitting the card that was meant for the dealer to have a bust card but since they hit it, The dealer can get much better card that sometimes result to a better count to the player. But infinite Blackjack is the best for solo gaming since all of the players have same hands except when there is a split.

Yeah for sure.

The RTP is these instances of misplays would decrease as well because you'd need to play perfectly in order to get the 0.5% house edge outcome.

I'd agree that for Solo players infinite is better than speed blackjack because speed blackjack is honestly too slow to wait around for anyway.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: dimonstration on November 08, 2021, 04:07:42 PM
A lot of people are neglecting infinite blackjack but it's actually a very good game.

Better RTP compared to normal speed blackjack actually which is definitely a plus.

At the end of the day though if you are trying to card count with any of these games, it's not going to work. Deck penetration is way too big for that.

The only thing that so annoying on infinite Blackjack are when there is noob player that splitting pair of 10 or hitting above 19 card, Sometimes they are hitting the card that was meant for the dealer to have a bust card but since they hit it, The dealer can get much better card that sometimes result to a better count to the player. But infinite Blackjack is the best for solo gaming since all of the players have same hands except when there is a split.

Yeah for sure.

The RTP is these instances of misplays would decrease as well because you'd need to play perfectly in order to get the 0.5% house edge outcome.

I'd agree that for Solo players infinite is better than speed blackjack because speed blackjack is honestly too slow to wait around for anyway.
Yeah, Speed blackjack main feature is you can hit first against other players that sit ahead of you. You don't need to wait for others decision to get your hit card and also the time allocated for each player to think is very minimal.

Honestly infinite blackjack is really faster than speed blackjack. I rarely play speed blackjack because of its unusual card rotation. I'd rather play on a in-house blackjack game like Blackjack.fun which BTW you can see on my signature rather than speed blackjack if I really want a fast phase game.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: timerland on November 10, 2021, 03:43:31 AM
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Yeah, Speed blackjack main feature is you can hit first against other players that sit ahead of you. You don't need to wait for others decision to get your hit card and also the time allocated for each player to think is very minimal.

Honestly infinite blackjack is really faster than speed blackjack. I rarely play speed blackjack because of its unusual card rotation. I'd rather play on a in-house blackjack game like Blackjack.fun which BTW you can see on my signature rather than speed blackjack if I really want a fast phase game.

I don't see that necessarily as an advantage though?

Like you save a few seconds but at the end of the day, you still have to wait until everyone else to finish their hands before you can actually place your next bet.

The few seconds isn't worth the house edge increase imho.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: ralle14 on November 10, 2021, 03:07:45 PM
I don't see that necessarily as an advantage though?

Like you save a few seconds but at the end of the day, you still have to wait until everyone else to finish their hands before you can actually place your next bet.

The few seconds isn't worth the house edge increase imho.
Yup, at that point the second differential just becomes an added bonus but then again there are people who prefer a faster method of betting as others try to compare the betting speeds of certain gambling sites.

Anyway, I agree with what you said though Infinite blackjack feels like one of the underrated types of Blackjack on evolution. I also like that you can see what the others picked as they show the percentages below each option.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: ralle14 on November 29, 2021, 06:51:52 AM
Have you guys tried the Lightning Blackjack that was released recently?

At first, I thought it's similar to lightning roulette but it's riskier like a double-edged sword as you're required to double down due to the extra fees from the lightning multipliers.

Also, the lightning multiplier takes effect every other round which is a bit of a turn off though.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
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Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Saint-loup on February 10, 2022, 01:59:27 PM
Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.


Fair point no complain about it, I'm just trying to warn everyone that it's not really an easy free bet as it looks like. I've been playing that game before and it really frustrating that your won got cancel multiple times because the dealer got bust at 22. They remove some card on the deck (10 card I guess) so that the result of 22 will increase because only few cards can increase the count greater than 22.

This is a serious issue if you have solid evidence to prove that evolution gaming is removing some cards on the deck, do they admit it themselves?
Otherwise it is just a baseless accusation and many people may think that you are spreading FUD.
I'm not familiar with live blackjack games as well as evolution gaming so I have no ideas whether what you say is true or not.
No as you can check on their website they don't admit it, unlike for Power Black Jack where they assume to remove 9 and 10 cards. So it's a bold accusation if it's not just some fud from Beparanf.
Many players are counting cards, so I think they would have noticed it if some cards were less frequent than others.

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The game is played with 8 decks, where the 9s and 10s have been removed from each deck but picture cards remain in the deck. This means 64 cards less in the shoe and the opportunity for Blackjack players to try new strategies.
https://www.evolution.com/our-games/live-blackjack


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: fiulpro on February 10, 2022, 04:46:48 PM
Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.


Fair point no complain about it, I'm just trying to warn everyone that it's not really an easy free bet as it looks like. I've been playing that game before and it really frustrating that your won got cancel multiple times because the dealer got bust at 22. They remove some card on the deck (10 card I guess) so that the result of 22 will increase because only few cards can increase the count greater than 22.

This is a serious issue if you have solid evidence to prove that evolution gaming is removing some cards on the deck, do they admit it themselves?
Otherwise it is just a baseless accusation and many people may think that you are spreading FUD.
I'm not familiar with live blackjack games as well as evolution gaming so I have no ideas whether what you say is true or not.
No as you can check on their website they don't admit it, unlike for Power Black Jack where they assume to remove 9 and 10 cards. So it's a bold accusation if it's not just some fud from Beparanf.
Many players are counting cards, so I think they would have noticed it if some cards were less frequent than others.

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The game is played with 8 decks, where the 9s and 10s have been removed from each deck but picture cards remain in the deck. This means 64 cards less in the shoe and the opportunity for Blackjack players to try new strategies.
https://www.evolution.com/our-games/live-blackjack

Then again card counting is not illegal I think it's just a fault in the whole system and people who get caught have to get out but removing some cards might be staggering for the odds, many casinos generally shuffle the things so many times that the players who count those cards are unable to do such things. But removing cards might be a bit too much tho, I had no idea about casinos removing those cards as well.

Also counting cards is not as easy tho it takes ages to master and at the same time even after that it might cause banning from a lot of casinos but I think it might be a wise option to somehow find ways to hide that you might be counting cards in a physical casino. Plus I do think there might be a lot of other mathematical things that can actually find flaws in the blackjack as well.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: magneto on February 13, 2022, 04:18:10 AM
Don't try there free bet because your chance of winning is very slim because they make the 22 for dealer as draw. So all odds is against the player. Only few chances you can win with free bet compared when the dealer hit 22 for your win.

Oops, I forgot to indicate about additional rules per game. Thank you for bringing it up here however, statistically wise, the chance of dealer get a 22 count is very minimal versus the additional price you can get when you win your freebet hand. I don't want to argue furthermore because the answer obviously base on perspective so we can't finish the discussion.


Fair point no complain about it, I'm just trying to warn everyone that it's not really an easy free bet as it looks like. I've been playing that game before and it really frustrating that your won got cancel multiple times because the dealer got bust at 22. They remove some card on the deck (10 card I guess) so that the result of 22 will increase because only few cards can increase the count greater than 22.

This is a serious issue if you have solid evidence to prove that evolution gaming is removing some cards on the deck, do they admit it themselves?
Otherwise it is just a baseless accusation and many people may think that you are spreading FUD.
I'm not familiar with live blackjack games as well as evolution gaming so I have no ideas whether what you say is true or not.
No as you can check on their website they don't admit it, unlike for Power Black Jack where they assume to remove 9 and 10 cards. So it's a bold accusation if it's not just some fud from Beparanf.
Many players are counting cards, so I think they would have noticed it if some cards were less frequent than others.

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The game is played with 8 decks, where the 9s and 10s have been removed from each deck but picture cards remain in the deck. This means 64 cards less in the shoe and the opportunity for Blackjack players to try new strategies.
https://www.evolution.com/our-games/live-blackjack

I think that card counting is probably not even on Evolution's minds at this point.

Their deck penetration is ridiculously low on all variants of their game, regardless of what you play. Some of the variants are essentially automatically shuffled continuously so there is absolutely no way you could keep track of the cards.

Plus, the rules that they offer are not particularly favourable to card counters.


Title: Re: Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Darker45 on February 13, 2022, 05:11:27 AM
Then again card counting is not illegal I think it's just a fault in the whole system and people who get caught have to get out but removing some cards might be staggering for the odds, many casinos generally shuffle the things so many times that the players who count those cards are unable to do such things. But removing cards might be a bit too much tho, I had no idea about casinos removing those cards as well. 

It's not illegal but it's not what the casinos want, and they could ban you from playing blackjack or even kick you out. And it is not a fault in the system or in the game. It's just a weakness, something which could be exploited by selected individuals. But card counting is not an easy thing to do. It's for the savants and the geniuses and the gifted ones. Especially nowadays where 8 decks are continuously shuffled throughout the game, it is a lot harder than ever.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on February 18, 2022, 07:03:43 PM


I think that card counting is probably not even on Evolution's minds at this point.

Their deck penetration is ridiculously low on all variants of their game, regardless of what you play. Some of the variants are essentially automatically shuffled continuously so there is absolutely no way you could keep track of the cards.

Plus, the rules that they offer are not particularly favourable to card counters.
In this case then how would the card counters look? I understand that to count cards you need to play with 1 deck, and never mix it, this when playing with more than 2 decks I think that the count is inactive or nothing is done, so in this case everything is left to the luck of the player I imagine, which makes a game that can perfectly have a strategy when counting, as if it were totally random, because the scenarios that can occur are very much in favor of the casino.
Well, card counters don't have it easy at all, because with one that is lost it is notorious that from then on everything goes wrong, even so playing with 1 deck the counter has many chances of losing count and therefore failing.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Mauser on February 19, 2022, 12:36:47 PM
Sounds interesting, it's always great to see new casino coming up with main focus on blackjack. I am a fan of blackjack since high-school, when we were playing during math classes and looked at the possibility. With Blackjack I tend to be more profitable than with roulette or dice games. Card counting is usually not an option in online gambling because we don't see the decks and the shuffling. When you say there are unlimited seats and games offered, does it mean there are also infinite decks used? Normally a casino uses 6-8 decks to play blackjack. So the chance of getting the same card multiple times in a hand very limited. But when using unlimited decks it could be that we get the same card many times.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: ralle14 on February 21, 2022, 10:46:41 AM
When you say there are unlimited seats and games offered, does it mean there are also infinite decks used? Normally a casino uses 6-8 decks to play blackjack. So the chance of getting the same card multiple times in a hand very limited. But when using unlimited decks it could be that we get the same card many times.
I guess you're referring to the Power blackjack game or the bet behind feature? Anyway, those unlimited seats just act as if there's only one player playing in that seat.

I don't think one dealer would be enough to handle a lot of people if unlimited seats do become a thing, just imagine one round could last like 10-20 mins depending on the number of people playing at the table.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: Coin_trader on February 21, 2022, 01:30:23 PM
Lightning Blackjack is the worst for a casual player that has a limited bank roll. The lightning fee is  100 of bet which is insanely high and you will need to win a game just to get the lightning multiplier. Afterwards they will charge again 100% lightning fee so technically you are just betting as 1:1 bet if your multiplier is just x2 while losing 200% of your bet if you lose a game which is not worth it especially if the dealers is on winning streak. This game ain't for normal players that want to have fun.  :'(


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion * Different Types of Live Blackjack(Evolution Gaming)
Post by: timerland on February 21, 2022, 08:04:50 PM
Lightning Blackjack is the worst for a casual player that has a limited bank roll. The lightning fee is  100 of bet which is insanely high and you will need to win a game just to get the lightning multiplier. Afterwards they will charge again 100% lightning fee so technically you are just betting as 1:1 bet if your multiplier is just x2 while losing 200% of your bet if you lose a game which is not worth it especially if the dealers is on winning streak. This game ain't for normal players that want to have fun.  :'(

I guess people don't really care about RTP, especially if they are casual.

The best thing that you can do for yourself when it comes to maximising your odds is to follow the relevant basic strategies for Blackjack. On regular blackjack you should be able to get something like 99.5%.

But even if you play the best variant, without proper basic strategy, your RTP can slip drastically. When I want to play, I just play speed blackjack with Basic Strategy.