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Title: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: thesmallgod on August 20, 2020, 08:10:26 AM
According to the tweet https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770434349281281. Tahinis, A Canada-based Middle Eastern restaurant has converted all their entire savings to bitcoin.

The decision to turn the cash holdings to cryptocurrencies emerged in the March crash and as the Canadian government started to offer aid services to companies struggling to stay open owing to the pandemic.

With the U.S. and Canada printing money to support their crippled economies, Tahini's owner Omar Hamam began to see the financial system as "a play of tic tac toe being played right now, and music will halt and some people would be left out."

Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."

He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Upgrade00 on August 20, 2020, 08:23:33 AM
The amount of fiat which would be converted to Bitcoin may not be that huge compared to some of the recent buys into bitcoin, like microstrategy, but it's a positive news. The more small and medium enterprises begin to adopt Bitcoin the closer it would be brought to the locals in various regions as these businesses interact more with the people.

The restaurant operates about 7 cooperate and franchise locations as per the tweet and if they were to accept Bitcoin as a means of making payments while it being their reserve savings asset, there would be no need for payment processors. This would improve Bitcoin adoption significantly.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: 20kevin20 on August 20, 2020, 09:16:11 AM
While it's a very very risky move if they're willing to convert it due to the pandemic, I get what they feel. Restaurants have been pretty brutally affected by the pandemic and as an owner of one, having to close indoor activities (here in Romania at least) and lessening the amount of tables and chairs for outdoor restaurants have drastically lowered down their earnings. BUT, is it the best idea to take it all and push it into BTC? It's quite risky considering BTC isn"t considered a safe haven asset necessarily, isn't it?


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: fiulpro on August 20, 2020, 09:41:40 AM
According to the tweet https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770434349281281. Tahinis, A Canada-based Middle Eastern restaurant has converted all their entire savings to bitcoin.

The decision to turn the cash holdings to cryptocurrencies emerged in the March crash and as the Canadian government started to offer aid services to companies struggling to stay open owing to the pandemic.

With the U.S. and Canada printing money to support their crippled economies, Tahini's owner Omar Hamam began to see the financial system as "a play of tic tac toe being played right now, and music will halt and some people would be left out."

Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."

He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."

I do believe that the person was thorough with the news of gold being a bad investment in 2020 , most of these Investors are now looking for other options , stock market is down and therefore it is a good time to buy but then again there are many problems in that Sector too and discussing it is another topic.

Right now what we need to know is :

Due to strong integration of bitcoins with economy and the Government, the people are giving positive response towards the cryptocurrencies.

Bitcoins is not only serving as a option in terms of investment but it's also helping many people to expand their businesses.

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Cryptocurrency is taxed in Canada as either capital gains or as income tax, depending on whether your activity with cryptocurrency is considered to be as a business or not. 100% of business income is taxable, whereas only 50% of capital gains are taxable


The owners will not only be able to save 50% taxes , but at the same time the future of Bitcoins is promising.

_*_

But no matter what I don't think this idea is really wise , since they would have to wait for a while to encash if needed in a hurry because the price changes every second.

Then again *you don't loose anything until and unless you decide to encash*

They have to apply the HODL strategy if they want to actually get through with this decision.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 20, 2020, 09:54:15 AM
Let me just quote that restaurant themselves and what are the reasons of the owner to convert it to BTC.

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1) Going through the crisis of March business was tough on us & people were scared to go out to eat. My cousin, my brother & I let a significant amount of our partners (employees) go and were working day and night to keep the restaurants afloat.

2) It was very tough especially that we are going through an expansion phase. With strong will, long hours and determination we were able to keep all of our restaurants cash flow positive. But we were faced with one big problem.

3) The government assistance programs in Canada made it very hard for us to bring back our partners (employees) as they were making more money staying at home and not working. All of a sudden we went from an economic crisis to everyone having a lot of money Including us.

4) Our Cash reserves swelled and business was booming again. But it was apparent to us that cash didn’t have the same appeal. That eventually with all the excess cash circulating the economy that cash would be worth less.

5) Personally I have been an investor with my personal account over the years. I’ve come across #bitcoin
several times but never really paid attention to it thanks to my investor idol @WarrenBuffett
calling it rat poison...

6) As time went on I was constantly trying to learn and grow my knowledge about finance. I kept bumping into #Bitcoin

7) I heard people in the #Bitcoin  community saying you have to hear about #Bitcoin at least 7 times before you get into it. 100% accurate.  It wasn’t until I read @Breedlove22  article The Number Zero and Bitcoin where it all clicked for me.

8) After that it was the #bitcoin Rabbit hole for me. I spent the next couple of months personally accumulating it in my personal account. I read the bitcoin standard by @saifedean  bought more, read The Price of Tomorrow by @JeffBooth bought more.

9) Read @100trillionUSD
 articles bought more, listened to @TraceMayer  bought more listened to @RaoulGMI   bought more, listened to @DTAPCAP  bought more listened to @stephanlivera  @APompliano  @PeterMcCormack
@TheCryptoconomy  @princey1976  bought more.

10) Every time I see @goingparabolic  posting his buys on twitter I would buy more.

11) For me I view #bitcoin  as a true free savings technology that stores wealth across time and space. And it came apparent to me that there is a game of musical chairs being played right now and the music will stop & some people will get left out.

12) And that’s when we as a company decided to store all of our excess cash reserves into #bitcoin
 as it offers a much better alternative to saving cash. We will continue to do that over the coming years and maybe forever if we don't have a need for the fiat.

3) We will not wait for S&P 500 to start doing so. It already started with @MicroStrategy
 and now @TheRealTahinis
 If you want to follow how we are doing in the future and like to see amazing Food content, give us a follow.

So it seems like a combination of factors, specially those crypto influencers he mentioned + the current pandemic situation that really push him. Goodluck to him and hope he make the right decision.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Lucius on August 20, 2020, 10:05:39 AM
https://i.imgur.com/WAQlcAc.jpg
https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770442582695936

I'm glad that at least one man became aware and broke away from the influence of the old fart WB - and all those who still admire him, maybe one day you will realize how much damage he did to Bitcoin with his statements.



This is one nice story about how people who lose confidence in the financial system have an alternative to protect their future, but I don’t think it’s too smart to announce publicly that you’ve made a move like this. I hope this person understands what Bitcoin is in terms of security, and that he has to deal with the risks of losing it no matter how he keeps it.

If he keeps it through custodial service then he is not actually the owner, and if he is his own bank then he has drawn a target on his forehead and invited all thieves to visit him in his home. Personally, I don't see the need to publish something like this to the public, but obviously we don't all have the same criteria when it comes to certain things.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: libert19 on August 20, 2020, 10:16:30 AM
It's quite risky considering BTC isn"t considered a safe haven asset necessarily, isn't it?

I'm quite positive about BTC retaining it's value however not about the security of things where we hold our cryptos. No wallets are perfect and God forbid if his private keys get leaked, that would be catastrophic.

(I'm sorry to be negative Nancy)


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: NVZNtoken on August 20, 2020, 10:21:04 AM
That's great news for the company and I'm sure many more businesses are doing exactly that but 99% of them keep silent about it - announcing you're going all in on bitcoin is a great publicity stunt but many people would be wary about telling the government and the IRS all about the btc they're hodling


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Coyster on August 20, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
It's quite risky considering BTC isn"t considered a safe haven asset necessarily, isn't it?
Even with the recession, pandemic and the money printing that will cause inflation, bitcoin can't as a result of that be considered as a safe haven asset, so just as you said it is a very perilous decision from this Canadian based restaurant owner. Bitcoin will definitely be an option against inflation and fiat devaluation, but isn't converting all the assets of his business to bitcoin against the rule of thumb of "investing with what you can afford to lose".

Bigger firms that have adopted bitcoin this year have put only parts of their assets, this decision could have consequences, mind you that it's also possible that this person is only using btc for the first time and is not prepared to handle a situation of volatility and FUD, and what it will mean for his business (restaurant).


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: In the silence on August 20, 2020, 11:12:55 AM
This man before this sell his company and his own house in exchange for Bitcoin.
His entire savings also converted into many other cryptocurrencies.
https://www.businessinsider.com/man-in-the-netherlands-sold-everything-for-bitcoin-2017-10#:~:text=Didi%20Taihuttu%20believes%20in%20bitcoin,near%20Venlo%20in%20The%20Netherlands.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Reatim on August 20, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
According to the tweet https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770434349281281. Tahinis, A Canada-based Middle Eastern restaurant has converted all their entire savings to bitcoin.

The decision to turn the cash holdings to cryptocurrencies emerged in the March crash and as the Canadian government started to offer aid services to companies struggling to stay open owing to the pandemic.
If the company converted the savings to Bitcoin?then they are in big profit as of now,not unless they have putted the money in altcoins that has outperform these last run?
With the U.S. and Canada printing money to support their crippled economies, Tahini's owner Omar Hamam began to see the financial system as "a play of tic tac toe being played right now, and music will halt and some people would be left out."
Good for Him that he detected the situation in right manner and he had a Great decision in that part.
Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."
Well Hope that all companies see the way like what Hamam did for their own good and progress.
He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."
Wow so it is Bitcoin after all?and i congratulate Him for having bright mind to make such decisions.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: yazher on August 20, 2020, 11:54:11 AM
Well, this kind of news is not that exciting as it was when I first heard a man sold his house to buy BTC and decide to live in a tent where he can spend the rest of his life until the bull run, I wonder what he is doing right now and that man have some family too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/man-in-the-netherlands-sold-everything-for-bitcoin-2017-10

Now we have this news, of course we hope everything will go as they planned. I think this is better than selling your home you know?


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Mi$$sero on August 20, 2020, 12:00:01 PM
New here, but wouldn't it be a safer play to spread the savings over Alternative coins? Despite Bitcoin being the most stable one, this seems to me like putting all of your life savings to buy shares of a single stock.  ::)


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Debonaire217 on August 20, 2020, 12:03:15 PM
It's quite already a sign that the company is ready to face the possible scenario that the pandemic could brought to us especially with businesses. I can say, it's a good move especially, an establishment that could not reach  their daily quota because of the pandemic and despite the fact that deliveries are available. Perhaps, the owner spent too much time thinking about the risk but I hope he also thought of an idea to still continue the business with positivity especially, applying bitcoin to his business's payment system.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: meanwords on August 20, 2020, 12:18:56 PM
New here, but wouldn't it be a safer play to spread the savings over Alternative coins? Despite Bitcoin being the most stable one, this seems to me like putting all of your life savings to buy shares of a single stock.  ::)

That is true, but the owner is new to cryptocurrency and probably doesn't see Bitcoin as an investment or a stock but a a life savings that they will sell in probably 20-40 years or so.

Well, there are chances that he might come across with other cryptocurrency and invest in them too. From what I'd read so far, Bitcoin is the only thing he is interested right now since he's lost faith in cash.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: ChiBitCTy on August 20, 2020, 12:34:19 PM
It's an interesting article / story and I certainly appreciate you sharing it with us.  I think this guy is in over his head just a little bit.  I don't think he really has a true grasp of how things work.  We've all seen bitcoins volatility over the years, and there's absolutely nothing stopping it from going to the equivalent of $1000 US dollars. What if that did happen, where would his business be then?


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on August 20, 2020, 01:06:03 PM
This isn’t an isolated incident, fiat currency is losing value & trust. Personally, my money is also 100% in bitcoin, I feel much happier this way than having useless fiat savings.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: ranochigo on August 20, 2020, 01:07:27 PM
According to the tweet https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770434349281281. Tahinis, A Canada-based Middle Eastern restaurant has converted all their entire savings to bitcoin.

The decision to turn the cash holdings to cryptocurrencies emerged in the March crash and as the Canadian government started to offer aid services to companies struggling to stay open owing to the pandemic.

With the U.S. and Canada printing money to support their crippled economies, Tahini's owner Omar Hamam began to see the financial system as "a play of tic tac toe being played right now, and music will halt and some people would be left out."

Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."

He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."
Bad move. Bitcoin is a risky asset to park their funds in without any guaranteed gains. If the restaurant does need money, he probably wouldn't use Bitcoins and has to convert it to fiat. If at that point in time, he's not in profit, then he'll be permanently losing that amount of money. Monetary policies are made to sustain the economy in trying times like these and while it isn't desirable, it has to be done to sustain the economy.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: bitsurfer2014 on August 20, 2020, 01:08:50 PM
If this is a publicity gimmick then its a dangerous one! I cannot imagine what will happen to those restaurants if their business suffered a decrease in revenue for a significant period of time and at the same time, their BTC holdings shrunk because its price dove substantially (hopefully not :)) then, I guess they will have a hard time running up their business operations with a weak financial capability and even possibly could lead them to bankruptcy. Imho.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: velomare on August 20, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
This is definetly only gambling, no one would invest all their money only on a type of assets.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: bakasabo on August 20, 2020, 01:18:07 PM
If the restaurant owner does this conversion, then he might take cryptocurrency as a payment for his services? Right? That would be obvious.
But according to https://www.tahinis.com/, you can only pay by credit card while ordering online (strange that the prices are in US dollars, while they are in Canada).

Why Restaurant owner use business account to post his personal ideas about crypto and savings conversion? Why only post this on twitter, and not on their official facebook or instagram? I'm sure that he havent even converted anything, but used cryptocurrency to attract attention.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: jrrsparkles on August 20, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
Its kind of risky decision to convert entire fiat savings into bitcoin, it is wise to diversify into multiple assets and gold should be included in it when we say we are doing this as storage purpose not as investment.Hope he did right thing at the right time and if they wants they can accept cryptos in their restaurant as well to increase the adoption. ;)


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: jpnl0006 on August 20, 2020, 01:53:30 PM
According to the tweet https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770434349281281. Tahinis, A Canada-based Middle Eastern restaurant has converted all their entire savings to bitcoin.

The decision to turn the cash holdings to cryptocurrencies emerged in the March crash and as the Canadian government started to offer aid services to companies struggling to stay open owing to the pandemic.

With the U.S. and Canada printing money to support their crippled economies, Tahini's owner Omar Hamam began to see the financial system as "a play of tic tac toe being played right now, and music will halt and some people would be left out."

Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."

He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."

Smart move. The conversion of their fiat currency into bitcoin is the most bussiness driven decision they have made. They only insured the future of their business as there is no certainty on t he resultant effect of the money printing of the government. At leas they know the exact number of bitcoin they have in ther wallet irrespective of the volatility.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: kryptqnick on August 20, 2020, 02:09:24 PM
According to the tweet https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770434349281281. Tahinis, A Canada-based Middle Eastern restaurant has converted all their entire savings to bitcoin.

The decision to turn the cash holdings to cryptocurrencies emerged in the March crash and as the Canadian government started to offer aid services to companies struggling to stay open owing to the pandemic.

With the U.S. and Canada printing money to support their crippled economies, Tahini's owner Omar Hamam began to see the financial system as "a play of tic tac toe being played right now, and music will halt and some people would be left out."

Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."

He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."
I'm all for restaurants accepting Bitcoin as payment, but turning all savings into BTC seems too risky to me. This might end well, but it's quite likely to lead to them losing, say, 20% due to volatility. This is especially so given the current high price that might not remain so high for long. And if that happens, they'll be reluctant to use Bitcoin, obviously, which is not good for adoption in the long-term. I hope they'll avoid losses, and I admire such a brave pro-crypto decision, but I still feel worried about all this. Good luck to them, hard times call for risky measures!


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: lumeire on August 20, 2020, 02:28:46 PM
Smart move. The conversion of their fiat currency into bitcoin is the most bussiness driven decision they have made. They only insured the future of their business as there is no certainty on t he resultant effect of the money printing of the government. At leas they know the exact number of bitcoin they have in ther wallet irrespective of the volatility.
This move can also backfire on the owners as they have brought bitcoin in a period of pump and if the price dumps, which it definitely will, then a lot of their savings will be washed off. I guess, they should have waited for the pump to finish and the market to go down again for getting a good deal, taking bitcoins at an inflated price is not at all a good move to be honest, they should have planned their entry point very well.
Although it is a great initiative and a big leap of faith taken by the restaurant owners to convert their entire savings into bitcoins, I just hope they don't regret it in the short term when the price falls again below $10k, but in the long run they will definitely enjoy watching their investment grow.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: The Cryptovator on August 20, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Definitely, the owner took a risky move. But we know that, "no risk no gain, high-risk high gain". I believe he has enough patience to hold bitcoin and that's why he took this risky decision. We know bitcoin is a high volatile cryptocurrency, and it would be an advantage for the owner in the future if he could wait for the time. I will not judge he took right or wrong decision, but I can say he took a real-time decision by comparing it with the current economy.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: mardaed on August 20, 2020, 02:44:00 PM
Smart move. The conversion of their fiat currency into bitcoin is the most bussiness driven decision they have made. They only insured the future of their business as there is no certainty on t he resultant effect of the money printing of the government. At leas they know the exact number of bitcoin they have in ther wallet irrespective of the volatility.
This move can also backfire on the owners as they have brought bitcoin in a period of pump and if the price dumps, which it definitely will, then a lot of their savings will be washed off. I guess, they should have waited for the pump to finish and the market to go down again for getting a good deal, taking bitcoins at an inflated price is not at all a good move to be honest, they should have planned their entry point very well.
Although it is a great initiative and a big leap of faith taken by the restaurant owners to convert their entire savings into bitcoins, I just hope they don't regret it in the short term when the price falls again below $10k, but in the long run they will definitely enjoy watching their investment grow.

Indeed. Maybe this is what they have seen as their last chance to get by and maximize their savings, through gaining profits in the crypto world. Hospitality industry is among the most affected industries during this pandemic, many had huge losses and there are also businesses which declared bankruptcy. This a good contingency plan but it should have been thoroughly planned as they may lose everything if mistakes are not anticipated.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Yamifoud on August 20, 2020, 02:51:49 PM
How I wish the owner could be right of his decision and holds his breath to take a higher risk than keeping in the restaurant business. I'm afraid if he could be of big regrets once done and made losses after investing Bitcoin because of mishandling. Because for me, I will never gamble my business if I saw it was profiting already. I'm not sure if he thinking it wisely, having no sleep, and to come up with that decision.

But anyway, nobody sees the betterness of a thing if we never sacrifice something. Maybe he could see that investing Bitcoin will give him more than keeping his restaurant business, especially during this time.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: AicecreaME on August 21, 2020, 02:50:07 PM
It's a serious risk if he really did convert all of the savings to bitcoin especially if it's a large amount of money.

Sure, investing is a good thing, but I'd rather not invest ALL of my savings into one asset or property. I'd rather have multiple investment instead of one. Like they say, it's better to have more stream of income than just one.

Bitcoin's price varies over time. It might rise and shrink depending on the season and if ever it decrease in value, he'll have a hard time operating his business that might lead to closure.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: smyslov on August 21, 2020, 04:22:04 PM

Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."

He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."

That's a wise decision he really knows what's going to happen he has insight on what's going on, even Robert Kiyosaki recommend his followers to buy Bitcoin because of the weakening dollar and impending financial crisis looming, but I have doubt that fiat will be gone for good it will still exist or they will co exist.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: gentlemand on August 21, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
I think he's fucking batty myself. If it's a one man band or your own savings then fine. If you're betting the viability of a modest business with a bunch of obligations and livelihoods attached then that's a rather different matter.

I guess it depends on what 'excess cash' means, but any trade is highly uncertain at the moment and if they have to tap it to survive it could well be 20-40% down when they really need it. I wouldn't have gone over a relatively modest percentage. That's not play money.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Gozie51 on August 21, 2020, 04:40:10 PM
While it's a very very risky move if they're willing to convert it due to the pandemic, I get what they feel. Restaurants have been pretty brutally affected by the pandemic and as an owner of one, having to close indoor activities (here in Romania at least) and lessening the amount of tables and chairs for outdoor restaurants have drastically lowered down their earnings. BUT, is it the best idea to take it all and push it into BTC? It's quite risky considering BTC isn"t considered a safe haven asset necessarily, isn't it?

I think that is not a very reasonable decision. To push money to bitcoin is good at the surface level if you are looking at the profit to come but what if the bear take over at the time?
Diversification is good but not to channel every thing into bitcoin.

This could be the frustration from the effect of covid-19 of no sale.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: audaciousbeing on August 21, 2020, 06:43:36 PM
According to the tweet https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770434349281281. Tahinis, A Canada-based Middle Eastern restaurant has converted all their entire savings to bitcoin.

The decision to turn the cash holdings to cryptocurrencies emerged in the March crash and as the Canadian government started to offer aid services to companies struggling to stay open owing to the pandemic.

With the U.S. and Canada printing money to support their crippled economies, Tahini's owner Omar Hamam began to see the financial system as "a play of tic tac toe being played right now, and music will halt and some people would be left out."

Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."

He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."

Its really a good one by the entrepreneur but its still a risk from the current stand point. At the moment it seems a very good decision considering the challenges that world economy is facing at the moment due to the pandemic that is ravaging the land but its not going to last forever which is why he needs to be monitoring the market as much as possible because keeping all your life savings in a volatile market is a long risk to take considering the uncertainty that is embedded in the market.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: DdmrDdmr on August 21, 2020, 07:52:59 PM
I’ve visited the @Tahinis’ Twitter account various times per day since he created all the Buzz, and searched around here and there to see if there was any mention of the quantity that was converted into Bitcoin. Alas, there is no mention of it, and certainly no wallet address made public, so we do not know if we’re talking about something substantial here or not. The publicity has been notorious though for the restaurant chain …


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: btc_angela on August 21, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
I’ve visited the @Tahinis’ Twitter account various times per day since he created all the Buzz, and searched around here and there to see if there was any mention of the quantity that was converted into Bitcoin. Alas, there is no mention of it, and certainly no wallet address made public, so we do not know if we’re talking about something substantial here or not. The publicity has been notorious though for the restaurant chain …

Right, we really don't know 'how much' of his assets are put into BTC. I will be skeptic here, maybe not all of the restaurants assets are into bitcoin though. On the other hand, it created a lot of publicity to his restaurant now, crypto related social media is talking about him so a win-win situation for him. And maybe if someone would ask him, but I doubt that he will provide the real data though. Bitcoin is supposedly (psuedo) anonymous, and private.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Shasha80 on August 21, 2020, 10:56:34 PM
What Omar Hamam did as the owner of the Tahinis restaurant decided to convert all the business savings to Bitcoin was a decision
reckless and risky. Because Bitcoin is not a safe haven and its volatile price can deplete its assets. I understand that Omar Hamam
has lost faith in the current financial system, which money printing will be making fiat values worthless. But he shouldn't use entire
savings to buy Bitcoin, because it's not a wise decision store wealth in one asset only.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: FlightyPouch on August 21, 2020, 11:01:53 PM
Any updates of this though? Any addresses they already showed where maybe people could use to order online or maybe check if this is true in terms of them saying "all of..". Either a way to get the attention of the community or to risk it all in bitcoin. I don't think they are that stupid to put all of it in there.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: hatshepsut93 on August 21, 2020, 11:21:30 PM
This is an objectively stupid scenario. Take two  roughly equal probabilities - in short time Bitcoin goes up 50% or down 50%. If it goes up, the restaurant will be in a good spot, providing they sell and invest those money in expanding. But if it goes down, their business would be ruined, there would likely be no one to bail them out, especially in these hard times. So, why gamble with your business at stake? The expected value here is negative. If he's so scared of hyperinflation, why not buy gold? It's more predictable than Bitcoin.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: shield132 on August 21, 2020, 11:32:25 PM
Wow, I am very amazed by the actions that were taken by them. They did crazy stuff (in a good way) and somehow, usually there are times when such thing succeed. But in any way that's a very risky move because USD is like a global currency, if anything goes down with it, everyone goes down but at the same time bitcoin is a very risky currency too, it can go down a lot in a matter of seconds and not rise for months but at the same time it can skyrocket. The bogo deal of bitcoin is that it can go doen but can rise without limits.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Ayiranorea on August 21, 2020, 11:51:42 PM
This is high risk associated, at the same time it could also profit big to the business owner. Already more such incidents have happened with different people around the globe. In one of the incident, a man sold each and everything he owned along with the house and stayed in refugee camp. This took back years back, and he got good profit for the risk he has taken.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Twinkledoe on August 21, 2020, 11:57:49 PM
Wow, I am very amazed by the actions that were taken by them. They did crazy stuff (in a good way) and somehow, usually there are times when such thing succeed. But in any way that's a very risky move because USD is like a global currency, if anything goes down with it, everyone goes down but at the same time bitcoin is a very risky currency too, it can go down a lot in a matter of seconds and not rise for months but at the same time it can skyrocket. The bogo deal of bitcoin is that it can go doen but can rise without limits.

A very high risk decision but if he got lucky, he will reap his rewards big time. It is like betting in a lottery, but this one you have high chance to get back your initial funds plus more. I guess there are a lot more companies or individuals that are doing the same because we are in this uncertain times.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: verita1 on August 22, 2020, 12:37:01 AM
Thanks for sharing this tweet. I read it, I was inspired by the story so I was encouraged to follow the account to know the updates of the Restaurant. I think it is a challenge for this businessman worth following. I would also be able to assume something similar. From the moment we decide to accept the payment of our salary in bitcoin. We are already taking a big step for massive adoption.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: taufik123 on August 22, 2020, 12:40:16 AM
A great choice, converting all FIAT savings into Bitcoin. this includes the mass adoption of the restaurant. The restaurant owner is aware of the use of cryptocurrency and the risks involved. We know the value of bitcoin is very volatile, but if it is managed properly and becomes an investment it will be able to benefit more than FIAT currency. but keep in mind that storing in Bitcoin must have a wallet that is really safe.

I think the option to change restaurant savings to bitcoin will only be made when the FIAT currency economy decreases and when the FIAT currency returns to normal will be converted again, this is only a strategy to reduce the economic downturn effect of the restaurant.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Wexnident on August 22, 2020, 01:38:52 AM
So that was around March? Around the Pandemic crash? Then didn't he already get pretty lucky? Since right now his funds are up by 300% or close to that. Or the decision just started in March, but they still didn't buy then until now? If so, then they've lost out on some potential profit. Still, I gotta say, from a business stand point, the decision seems REALLY risky. If it were a part of their total savings, then sure, but all of them? Not that I'm doubting but Bitcoin is a highly volatile asset. Said decision is really risky since they could potentially lose a lot of their funds if something goes really wrong. But if they were to only invest the savings by that point, and not invest anymore, then it could be helpful. Difficult in the early days, but should be manageable, the problems would decrease though the risk would still stay.

" He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."
I don't think that's going to happen. Permanently removing fiat means leaving the financial economy on a basically non-transparent situation, where no control could be held over. A lot of issues could prop up, especially from those who don't really know how to manage their finance properly.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Expecto on September 14, 2020, 02:56:07 PM
According to the tweet https://twitter.com/TheRealTahinis/status/1295770434349281281. Tahinis, A Canada-based Middle Eastern restaurant has converted all their entire savings to bitcoin.

The decision to turn the cash holdings to cryptocurrencies emerged in the March crash and as the Canadian government started to offer aid services to companies struggling to stay open owing to the pandemic.

With the U.S. and Canada printing money to support their crippled economies, Tahini's owner Omar Hamam began to see the financial system as "a play of tic tac toe being played right now, and music will halt and some people would be left out."

Hamam said he was worried that handouts and money printing would devalue the economy of the fiat. "It was clear to us that cash did not have the same appeal," he added. "In the end, with all the extra currency floating in the market, the capital will be worthless."

He decided to convert the business's savings to Bitcoin as it "gives a much viable choice to saving cash." He said they would proceed to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset — "perhaps permanently if we don't need fiat."

I think it is a good move for the restaurant. I believe that when fiat money of a country starts to struggle, people should give a chance for cryptocurrencies. Because they can be one of best options with gold in such time. After that, maybe they can decide to use more often after fiat money goes back to normal.


Title: Re: A Restaurant convert entire savings to Bitcoin
Post by: Assface16678 on September 14, 2020, 03:02:57 PM
It's that not too risky for them?

They are sacrificing their funds and convert into a volatile market with the use of the bitcoin?. I don't think so this is a good idea because there is a bigger chance that you will lose a lot of money because of the market volatile movement.

Adopting the use of the bitcoin is quite enough for me just my opinion still it's better to make an investment just a little bit amount.