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There is Plan to make stock market and Cryptocurrency market to Go Up before the real economy opening Will occur.

The economy Will be Bad in our Everyday lifes but the stock market and Cryptocurrency market Will be bullish  according my analysis by the october we Will have bull market.


However bullish Cryptocurrency and stock market Don't mean  much Lower unemployement rate or much better Living in many places. 

5 months before real economy Recovering there Will be all Ready   30%- 50% bullish markets. 


So guys Say thanks to God that You are in Cryptocurrency and enjoyy the Good life!! 

@Polo7 the US stock market shall rise because Trump needs it to rise before the election date, but will it continue to rise post the elections no one can really tell about this. Also crypto’s have not been able to sustain beyond $12k, hence for a bull rally to happen we first need to see bitcoins cross $12k and then sustain those levels. However as far as I know there’s no big news or event coming that can push the bitcoin prices upwards, hence it’s quiet possible that there won’t be any bitcoin bull rally in the short term.

Source

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-cheers-stock-rally-us-economy-coming-back-very-strong-2020-6-1029279666

https://medium.com/in-bitcoin-we-trust/bitcoin-price-rejects-12k-once-again-5-reasons-to-stay-bullish-for-the-coming-weeks-3446b221ff58

This is how any asset price work.

The price of an asset reflects the expectation  about it, not it current situation.

When you buy a stock, you will receive dividends in the future, not in the past or in the present. If the expectation is that the dividend will be small in the future, the price go down before the dividend is really distributed.

The same about economy. There is an expectation that the economy will recover in the future. This is why stocks will recover before the economy, not after. Or crash before it.

If that expectation changes (if recovery is postponed)  the stock price will drop down immediately.

This is how prices are determined in any open market. This is why there is volatility, because the expectation about the future is always changing.

Do we think that the economy will recover to the level that has been predicted or expected? Is no for me. Don't be surprise that before covid-19 effect settlers off, we are likely to have another global issue where the world will be in another solution finding.

We are forgetting that the US and China trade "war". And the causes or origin of covid-19 pandemic is there which is a potential issue with China and US. So, I don't think the economy is going back to what it is known as around 20years back.

The real thing is " How can an economy recover this fast ?" , We are not even that good with the vaccination part. Yes there are some vaccinations in the trial but they are still getting perfected.

As far as I know , US is depending upon other countries to help them out.

The situation improved a little but then fell as the schools and some shops started reopening and the cases begin to climb high.



It is not normal for sure and in the upcoming future I do believe that it will still take some time to stabilize, yes the president will try to pump some air in the balloon that is going to burst anytime soon , but I do believe he has been doing that since the pandemic begin.

What you said is too good to be true , I believe it will still take a lot of time , like a year or so.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/economy/us-economy-back-to-normal-index/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/economy/us-economy-back-to-normal-index/index.html)

You should update yourself. Because the real economy had opened over a week ago. I had come to know, the economy of USA had back to normal one.
Crypto currency had reduced lot of unemployment in this pandemic time.Nearly 10 % of world population was survived with the help of crypto earning.

There is nothing interesting about the market because the market is full of manipulation and does not reflect economic conditions in the real sector. Because of the existence of the stock exchange, its circulation is hampered by the fact that money is not invested in the real sector but is rotating in the stock exchange. They should also not give opportunities for people who cheat on prices so as to lead to financial catastrophes and damage the economy nationally and even globally, and ultimately cause misfortune to most people.

In the world economy, this market at some point causes massive capital losses in a very short time. On the other hand, this market can lead to the emergence of newly rich people, without breaking a sweat. The great depression is historical evidence that markets promise well-being but are also lethal.

Its true. Even here in our Country we are slowly opening up the economy despite the higher covid-19 cases daily. And i can see that the other Countries around the world are doing the same thing to save/restore the dying economy.
Yes, I definitely agree that blockchain industry lessened up the number of unemployed people across the  globe. Its really a big help to us that there is a crypto world that we can work here and so glad to see that growing individuals are now learning Crypto currencies and  earning good profits here.

Some countries economy is growing gradually why some economy is back to normal.
Cryptocurrency has reduce unemployment and employed many citizens in the country. Even during the lockdown many people who have knowledge concerning cryptocurrency and how you can us it to grow up your business and develop your country.i think stock market and cryptocurrency will start bull soon before the global economy fully back to normal.

So far the stock market made it very good through the corona pandemic. Prices are only slightly down. I agree with you that the government will likely support the stock market first, before injecting money into the real economy. During the last bailouts we could see that the government always favours big companies, to the small and mid size companies.

Absolutely mate,some of my friends that had past gone here in crypto but when the pandemic attacks?they come back and starts finding profiting here.
This means always a place to get income(or losses matybe)
they tend to invest and one of them Got lucky investing in Defi project so His capital triple in a short time.
Unemployment is indeed growing now because of too much effect of Virus,hope some will find their way here to generate income.

You can't just force the stock market to rise up just because somebody planned to do so. The stock market consist of independent stocks from companies and these companies don't perform the same way as each other. Their stock prices depend on the performance of each company they are in. Yes there are massive FOMOs happening in the stock market as well but it doesn't mean that there will be enough capital to push all of them at once. And as usual Polo7 is here creating bold claims without any substantial evidence about his claims.

^ I do not mean to offend but I doubt this one. I don't really think the US would consider cryptocurrency to have their economy grow. Possible with the stock but for the cryptocurrency, not so much. We know how US try their best to regulate cryptocurrency. But we will see soon if they might consider cryptocurrency. Nevertheless, I don't see Trump ending his term down arrows with his economics unless only OP creating his own story without proper source link.

Economy are now turning back to normal slowly but it is not depend on the global plan not even with your own analysis. It's already October next week and I don't think your analysis will come true. Look at the situation globally and not only in US, every country still in the process of recovering for economic total collapse and it takes time. We are lucky that there is a cryptocurrency who helped us to survive from the worst effect of pandemic.

The ongoing Corona virus epidemic has made the lives of people in all countries miserable on the one hand and at the same time the government systems of almost all states have become a major concern on how to revive the country's economy. In the current situation the governments of all the states are working to ensure the emergency services of the people. Almost all the money is being spent on improving the medical system eradicating hunger and controlling the poverty rate also many are leaning towards crypto and imagining world improvement.

What the heck are you talking about? You seem to be delusional op. You act like you know what is going to happen in the future through your bold predictions without any sort of evidence to back it up.

The fact is that all world economies will probably take several years to fully recover after everyone gets vaccinated. No one knows when the markets will be bullish or bearish accurately which is why I advise you to stop fooling yourself op.

What's your reason for the so much optimism or these are just mere assumptions?. It's sounds funny but doesn't look unachievable especially the cryptocurrencies aspect. We know bitcoin has been bullish from the onset excluding the March set back and right after that it continues it's upward trend. From the second quarter of the year until few weeks back when the corrections occured, and dragged the whole market with it.


With your assumption, you predicted the real economy recovery should start around March next year (2022) that's 5 months. Judging from the gains from March earlier this year that's almost certain that the cryptocurrencies market can achieve this. March to september is 5 month exactly.

Well I hope you are right, but obviously, specially stocks are being touted by the economist to at least bring relieved in the sagging market already.


Of course, but people have something to hold in the future. If we have a healthy stock market and include crypto on it, we might be well on the recovery. But it will take some thing though, and we need to get the work force from the ground to keep the economy of any country going again. So that will be the big task for government, so this is very vital as well.

OP, Your analysis will be very usefull when it can include accurate data, without data that only nonsense.
The world economy will not be able to recover quickly and cryptocurrencies just make little affection the world economy, the increase in the stock market is not an indication of the improvement in the economy of a country or the world. This year several American Big Companies have reached ATH, it's make economy improvements?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/technology/big-tech-business-domination.html

This is true. The pandemic has had huge economic effects, it's just that these aren't properly apparent yet. We have had huge bailouts; the governments of many countries have been throwing money at people and businesses in a desperate attempt to keep their economies running. But this will all have to be paid for further down the line. The economic effects have not appeared on the surface yet, companies seem to be still viable, but this isn't necessarily going to continue, particularly if the handouts stop.

There is also the question, if the dollar price of a stock is increasing, of what that underlying dollar is itself worth in the climate of massive handouts. Fiat has an unlimited supply.

But in reality not everyone got a hold for something valuable to user in future, not everyone is capable on such things especially if we talk about future investment, But one thing good on what is happening today the government is really doing there best to revive back the economy and I see the manufacturing and other services has been operation which is totally good for starting up although its a slow start still it helps the people to return back on their job, Hopefully the vaccine will successfully released so that we can go back to our office and to our normal lives.

  What's will a bull market do/how would a bull market affect a bitcoin wallet of less than 1 Bitcoin to bring about a good life. I am in cryptocurrency but if I put my standards/worth in this and a bull market happens this year 2020 I won't be transformed to a good life, but its OK by me, I don't think I am garranteed that, and so should you or any body.

My post about Bitcoin saving economy and us relates it
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276524.msg55214356#msg55214356

Someone in forex trading, selling goods, blogging, can/may have a better life than I would but wouldn't rush to their trade because of they did,

After reading Whole thread I am be like - what, how, why?
You know what we are discussing here? A total unpredictable stuff which has no answers to because this time pandemic is the reason and not any political conflict, world war or something. This is all about loosing the economic balance due to the fact that humans are sick, and most of them are not in the working state or many of them are turning job less.

This is not a thing which will drive people to buy more crypto currencies, in fact it will affect them badly and would take off their spirit to invest in their family emergency.

Let us not hope that their will be miracle of some sort which will hike the crypto by 20-30% by any chance.

so we are 6 days to go before the Bull comes?
unemployment will stay until next year because the effect of this economic problem from the pandemic wasn't stopping after the vaccine is provided.
i am always proud of being a cryptocurrency person,and also very happy to learn and be part of this market.

How sure are we that we are going to be seeing another Bitcoin bull run anytime soon? I was expecting that the price of Bitcoin would have started to go up big time when the Halving took place, then after that nothing happened, although it seemed it was on its way to reach another ATH price until the pandemic started.

After the pandemic when things seems like it’s starting to recover, some people started saying that this was the right time for the price of Bitcoin go up and that never happened; the price dragged itself to $12k and then fell back and is now circling the price of $10k. I am not in a rush to see the price go up though.

Overall, there's no apparent reason why Bitcoin bull run could occur next month, it's just another wild guesses from someone. I find it like a strategy to let people in panic buying to uplift the market price. The economy may be in a bad shape right now due to the pandemic but it will going to recover soon once this pandemic is done. Experts are trying their best to release the first ever working vaccine for anti covid but this one will take more time.

Though I agree that crypto is a great investment in times of uncertainty, I also feel that with a global recession, money will flow to traditional assets, there will be lack of liquidity for people to put money into crypto which can have an effect on crypto markets too. Just a humble thought.

You feel very confident, but people can realize it, actually no one really knows when it will happen, because when it started, the money that went into the crypto market kept pushing the price up without anyone being able to predict when it would stop, that's why many people still holding bitcoin at $ 19000 because they believe that the price will continue to rise when the 2017 bulls happen.
and if indeed this year will happen then we must be prepared and take maximum advantage.

I'm not sure the market will be bullish anytime soon and indeed, bulls will move but that doesn't mean it will happen anytime soon because I think that economic recovery will at least be the main plan for bulls to come. There is nothing wrong about the analysis you are making because you have your own views regarding the movements in this market sector, so I think the bullish market will still happen next year and the recovery will continue over time until the end of this year.

Many people is on hyping stage since they really think that there's something changes will occur due to some bad movements happened for the past days, but actually all of them is wild guesses with no basis so maybe best to look for the reap situation in the market, I'm still hoping to see the bull by next year although there's no basis but there's a possibilities for that to happen since I think the halving will take effect by that year.

Stocks and cryptomarket will always rise after the fall but the economy wont recover easily because its not volatile as the market, it always take a due process and the government have to find something else to become more productive and I know they have to collect more taxes.

We are still lucky because we have source of incomes, cryptomarket never fails us because of too much opportunities, is just that people are not riding the market well that makes them lose the money.

Hopefully it will happen, like 2017 ago when bitcoin and all crypto currencies price meet a bull run market, it has happened in october before in september the monthly candlestick was closed in red.

It could happen now, moreover with the economic situation in all countries right now, the people will find a safe place to store theie money to avoid the bad thing that could happen in their countries.

Many hope that but don't expect to much on it since we face some serious crisis right now compare to the year 2017, but still we have some possibilities for that thing to be happen but provably it has a 50-50 chances to come in reality but I'm really hoping to see some great changes by next year since I think the crisis by that time will eliminated and the global economy will became alive by that year.

You again. I'm wondering about your processes on your predictions/analysis regarding on our economy. Cryptocurrency bullish next month huh?
Let's see if that will happen. Can you please give us more details about your "analysis"? I will be grateful if you wll share it to us.

For me it's not safe to say everything that you'd tell us. Stocks are still down until now, we can't tell that they will rise again.
It's possible but October is not the month for it. 
More time needed to recover for the stocks as well as the economy, almost everything has been brought down by this pandemic.

Yeah, I don't expect to see the bull run happen next month, but I still hope that even the real bull run is not happening.
At least, we can expect to see the price can be back to the high price.
I hope that bitcoin can break $11k because that is the first step price that bitcoin needs to break it.
The crisis does not yet end soon because the health organizations are still working on finding the vaccine, and they still test the vaccine before its release.
People will suffer for the rest of this year because many can not survive in hard situations.

Becouse I have learned Economy.
Im Economy analyst.

People do not become economy analysts because they say so, they become one when others deem you to be, that is how you become one. There is also no recovery play in global scale and never will be, each nation cares about their own situation because it is unique, look at China and how they dealt with it, look at Germany which is by far the best and look at how horrible USA is doing, when you compare all these different nations you realize that there can never be a global plan, each nation will have to react differently to their needs.

USA for example needs to close down all state lines and all foreign connections and make everyone stay at home on a month long lockdown in order to get better, if they don't do that they will have a million dead by the end of this, but Germany can continue wide open like they are, because they have been dealing with it very well.