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Title: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 24, 2020, 05:31:23 PM
What happened:: Cloudbet confiscated 65 bitcoin cash in my account after requesting a withdrawal and froze/locked the account due to providing documents from USA country.
  I won the funds making sports bets and they say the bets are voided due to US citizenship.  


Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55254927#msg55254927


Amount Scammed: ~65 bch bitcoin cash


Payment Method: bitcoin cash


Proof of Payment: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv


PM/Chat Logs: Dear efxes,

Thank you for contacting Cloudbet support.

I'm terribly sorry to hear about this matter and the inconvenience that it's brought but we're merely abiding by the Terms & Conditions that have been put in place for each and every player who joins in on the Cloudbet experience to adhere to.

Your account's access was immediately blocked as part of the verification process and since your documentation proves that you're a resident in the US, we cannot grant you the access once again. Please note that the funds have been frozen and as you are the sole person with access to your account, they shall remain as such.

Should you have any further questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Kind regards,

Stefano
Cloudbet Support Team Leader


Additional Notes: Please return the funds.  I need them to start my life again, I was counting on them.  I've since went into a downward spiral, am extremely distraught about all of this.  Never had this much taken, though I've been scammed before.

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EDIT UPDATE OCTOBER 8, 2020

Hey guys I just summed up the story quite well on twoplustwo and SBRforum.  [b]Here's a link to the article on cloudbetscamsDOTCOM's site:[/b] https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire-efxes-15000-story-as-it-happened-cloudbet-scamming-again/


And here is the article explaining the entire story from first deposit of the week long run to the last 5 deposits in the same day, that I cashed out slightly less than and are owed to me and I won't accept anything less than the balance minus the negative balance and it needs to be done now.  to have this drag on while BTC is rising is criminal.  Here is the story:

I appreciate you and appreciate this feedback. I've posted about this on so many darn sites, it's hard to keep up with the entirety of the story. I need to sum it up in an article, and i will do that but since I really value SBRForum and I am legit an OG here I've been here forever and I love the place and have always loved the people we love to gamble we love to bet and talk sports. Let me go ahead and share with you every minor step of the way.


I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/bc45fb9115e5ecbed7b7dad9e451c17199af77fc4c9f7f2271dca4184b3c6d48
2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/85681098d5a25c32d13c51594b16be6c7eb5719f75778fed1fefc760583f4f03
3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a710344ff678329f51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cf139d036a7b561e940ccf9e0e2419a70838805b302771192100e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b1e4b40416eb4f471ed66ee7c5fd5679cee39f38b7240660ad5e0db6bd854528


From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cfafbb8455234532e8a25dd849d26b4755ab7c5e87e6acc0e3552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3



So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your governmentĖissued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security




Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet




So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.

They just want to steal the money.

Again this article can be found here:
https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire-efxes-15000-story-as-it-happened-cloudbet-scamming-again/

UPDATE OCTOBER 10, 2020
Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff. 


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker. 

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back. 

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff. 


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Avirunes on September 24, 2020, 08:15:18 PM
Their TOC does say this that you have to be located outside of US while placing withdrawals. Here is the actual part snipped from their TOS:

Quote
7.1.3. You agree that at all times when using the Website, including making requests for withdrawal or transfers of funds, you are not physically located in any of the following countries:

the United States of America and its territories;
United Kingdom;
Hong Kong;
Singapore;

They are entitled to process your bets as void now but not entitled to keep your deposit. So I think you should at least get your deposit back.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 24, 2020, 08:24:40 PM
I've been in Mexico, I don't gamble inside the US as I know it's not allowed.

I provided my internet disconnection bill from like 2 months ago as my utility bill, not knowing that it would cause them to think I'm in the USA.

So I should be able to access the account and not have the bets be voided if I've been in Mexico even if I'm a US citizen.  Anyways I"ll try and keep dealing with htis, I need it resolved.  thanks

I've never logged in from US, that's why I stay down in Mexico since I lost my job during the pandemic.  I can prove it- anyways I will try and take this up with them, maybe i went overboard but the reaction from me is strong especially since I'm not even on US soil (it's crazy up there anyways with the virus stuff). :-[


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: The Pharmacist on September 24, 2020, 08:40:29 PM
(it's crazy up there anyways with the virus stuff).
It's not crazy down in Mexico with respect to COVID-19?  I know this isn't the thread for that discussion, but I'm genuinely interested.

If you placed those bets in Mexico, your US citizenship shouldn't make any difference.  The part of their TOS that Avirunes quoted says people physically in the United States are prohibited from using their service, not US citizens who might happen to be traveling to a country in their approved list and who happen to use their service while in that country.  Disclaimer:  I'm not a lawyer; I'm not familiar with Cloudbet; and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it.

But it seems to me that you should be entitled to the winnings as well as whatever you deposited--but at the very least they should return your deposit.  And I don't think you're overreacting at all; that's a large sum of money you're talking about.  Maybe it's not huge to you, but it's certainly worth fighting with Cloudbet over.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 24, 2020, 08:46:50 PM
For the most part in mexico the virus restrictions are way more laxed and it's just way more chill here.  Obviously it's Mexico still and an entirely different terrain but I'm able to play online poker and places like GG and party poker and bet, and just get away.

I stupidly provided the past due utility bill from my United States address since I haven't been paying it for the last 3-6 months after I got up to travel. 

I definitely feel I'm entitled to the winnings if they're indeed a legit book wanting to pay their customers.  I obviously won't be back but to me, it would be a lot of money that I need at this point in my life.  They obviously didn't want my action or they wouldn't have done this.

If there's any ideas how to fix it and prove I've been in Mexico let me know.  I'm getting my landlord to write them a note today and seeing if they can provide me with a utility bill and see if I can find any old mail that was sent here. 

I won the money gambling, not doing any shady stuff.  They have to recognize that I wasn't even on US soil they're trying to close the case since I provided the wrong document.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: logfiles on September 24, 2020, 09:04:11 PM
If there's any ideas how to fix it and prove I've been in Mexico let me know.  I'm getting my landlord to write them a note today and seeing if they can provide me with a utility bill and see if I can find any old mail that was sent here. 

I won the money gambling, not doing any shady stuff.  They have to recognize that I wasn't even on US soil they're trying to close the case since I provided the wrong document.
The purpose of the verification was to prove where exactly you are, that's why they asked you to send them copies of the utility bills. I think you should try talking to them and ask them to give you a chance to prove that you never opened or placed any bets while you were in the US. you will obviously have to provide documents and utility bills that prove that you are currently in Mexico.

This should also be easy for them to follow up especially since I believe they have access to your IP logs all from the time you registered


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 24, 2020, 09:11:38 PM
yeah but I use VPN and VPS to connect to gambling sites since the legalities are up in the air, so IP's are probably a mess.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: eaLiTy on September 24, 2020, 09:32:57 PM
yeah but I use VPN and VPS to connect to gambling sites since the legalities are up in the air, so IP's are probably a mess.
It is unfortunate to see these kind of situation popping up every now and then, when you loose the deposited coins from restricted locations it is a bonus to the house while winning you are voided of your winnings, it is going on for quite some time and the best all these books do is to return the deposited funds while not voiding the losses. Using VPN and VPS does not change anything once these books ask you to verify your details.

The best option is if you really played while you were in Mexico make sure you provide the proof and when you are playing in any sportsbook with these restrictions make sure you clear the situation that you are from US but residing elsewhere and if you have their approval then that is better than risking and then fighting over the winnings.



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: suchmoon on September 24, 2020, 09:51:06 PM
The physical location nonsense is quite unusual for gambling sites, isn't it? Typically TOS says something about being a citizen or a resident of a certain country. There is no plausible way to enforce it (KYC can't prove your physical location) so it's pretty much like it's deliberately added to screw gamblers over.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 24, 2020, 10:04:32 PM
The physical location nonsense is quite unusual for gambling sites, isn't it? Typically TOS says something about being a citizen or a resident of a certain country. There is no plausible way to enforce it (KYC can't prove your physical location) so it's pretty much like it's deliberately added to screw gamblers over.

this is exactly it.  If you lose, they won't pay you back.  If you win, they dont' mind paying you because you'll deposit again.  But when you start winning big and show no signs of losing, they try and find a loophole to take the money, in this case beating up on US citizens. 

I need some help in solving this.  I've posted to a few gambling complaint boards and forum threads.  I'm digging for any mexican documents but generally I don't receive mail here but I just need to show them I wasn't on US soil so I can get paid and never go there again.  Then I'm getting a permanent residence outside of the US so that I can never have to deal with this type of stuff again, taking the trips is one thing but they don't even want you to have a residence in the US it seems like. 

I was planning on using the funds to get into crypto trading and it's the same crap with them (but obviously not nearly as shady).


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: owlcatz on September 24, 2020, 11:57:55 PM
this is exactly it.  If you lose, they won't pay you back.  If you win, they dont' mind paying you because you'll deposit again.  But when you start winning big and show no signs of losing, they try and find a loophole to take the money, in this case beating up on US citizens. 

I need some help in solving this.  I've posted to a few gambling complaint boards and forum threads.  I'm digging for any mexican documents but generally I don't receive mail here but I just need to show them I wasn't on US soil so I can get paid and never go there again.  Then I'm getting a permanent residence outside of the US so that I can never have to deal with this type of stuff again, taking the trips is one thing but they don't even want you to have a residence in the US it seems like. 

I was planning on using the funds to get into crypto trading and it's the same crap with them (but obviously not nearly as shady).

Beating up US citizens? Are you on drugs? Online gambling with crypto is ILLEGAL for USA residents. /EndOf

You lose, sorry buddy. This is why gambling in the USA even with VPN is just dumb. Hodl your coins or go gamble your cash instead, ffs. ::)




Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 24, 2020, 11:59:58 PM
i'ts not illegal, and i wasn't on US soil.  I travel abroad because this is mainly how I seem to make money.  Been playing poker a long time, we all had to leave for Mexico, I've beena round the block.  It's not illegal.  And I wasn't in the US.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: owlcatz on September 25, 2020, 12:03:54 AM
i'ts not illegal, and i wasn't on US soil.  I travel abroad because this is mainly how I seem to make money.  Been playing poker a long time, we all had to leave for Mexico, I've beena round the block.  It's not illegal.  And I wasn't in the US.

It doesn't matter. You are still a US citizen, and if you gave them those docs, you are SOL buddy. ::)

IOTW - You gambled too much on one site, and this is what you get - Get citizenship somewhere else and you'll be fine. ;)


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: coiner17 on September 25, 2020, 12:04:36 AM
i'ts not illegal, and i wasn't on US soil.  I travel abroad because this is mainly how I seem to make money.  Been playing poker a long time, we all had to leave for Mexico, I've beena round the block.  It's not illegal.  And I wasn't in the US.

Beating up US citizens? Are you on drugs? Online gambling with crypto is ILLEGAL for USA residents. /EndOf

You lose, sorry buddy. This is why gambling in the USA even with VPN is just dumb. Hodl your coins or go gamble your cash instead, ffs. Roll Eyes

This is a fucking moronic response. You sir are clueless.

To the OP, stick to your complaint at SBR, if anyone can help it will be them. And posters at SBR will understand better than the trolls here.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: owlcatz on September 25, 2020, 12:06:36 AM
This is a fucking moronic response. You sir are clueless.

Sure... Keep using that VPN and large amounts of coin on gambling sites then come back here after trying to withdraw with USA documents on ANY gambling sites, and I'll eat my words. ::)


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: coiner17 on September 25, 2020, 12:07:00 AM
This is a fucking moronic response. You sir are clueless.

Sure... Keep using that VPN and large amounts of coin on gambling sites then come back here after trying to withdraw with USA documents on ANY gambling sites, and I'll eat my words. ::)
clueless. thanks for stopping by.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 12:08:17 AM

Beating up US citizens? Are you on drugs? Online gambling with crypto is ILLEGAL for USA residents. /EndOf

You lose, sorry buddy. This is why gambling in the USA even with VPN is just dumb. Hodl your coins or go gamble your cash instead, ffs. ::)




I mistakenly sent them the overdue/disconnected internet xfinity bill from my US residence since I haven't been back in some time I just let it expire and was too lazy to disconnect it since I left sort of in a hurry for Europe.  That was the most official thing I could find, but wasn't thinking that it would cause me to confiscate my winnings- I just wanted to show them I'm a real person.

Then came to Mexico about 3 months ago and traveled around and settled in Cabo recently.  It's nice here, but I haven't gotten any utility bills yet so I'm trying to find a history of some travel stuff and talk to my landlord about an official utility bill and a note in their name.

It's definitely rightly my money I try and do everything the right way.  I don't see why you wouldn't support me in this.  


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: coiner17 on September 25, 2020, 12:08:29 AM
i'ts not illegal, and i wasn't on US soil.  I travel abroad because this is mainly how I seem to make money.  Been playing poker a long time, we all had to leave for Mexico, I've beena round the block.  It's not illegal.  And I wasn't in the US.


talk to this guy directly

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 12:29:41 AM
i'ts not illegal, and i wasn't on US soil.  I travel abroad because this is mainly how I seem to make money.  Been playing poker a long time, we all had to leave for Mexico, I've beena round the block.  It's not illegal.  And I wasn't in the US.


talk to this guy directly

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563

Already messaged the cloudbet guy. He told me they said I was on U.S.A. soul. I think itís because the vpn I use defaults to USA sometimes as the fastest server.

I am going to send in some documents showing proof I havenít been while using the site. I also made a complaint on askgamblers which seems to work and they are still processing the complaint. Tethered little to no dialog between me and cloudbet. The bitcointalk cloudbet guy said he was leaving until Monday!!

They just want to take my money and be done with it and not even look at the evidence. Iím pretty sick and stressed I lost the rest of my bankroll basically out of stupidity. Should have stopped for a few weeks until this maybe gets resolved if ever.

Thanks for your support. I am out of my mind about it. Especially since I do things the right way and gable out of the country. I just donít stay in one place so didnít have an official utility bill off hand I just sent those documents fast after they froze the $15000


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 01:00:43 AM
Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet






Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: OrdinaryBloke26 on September 25, 2020, 02:12:59 AM
As you mentioned, you're a poker player and have most likely followed the lockdown of the online poker room and betting closely in the US -- I mean, the PokerStars founder only recently settled his court case after 9 years of legal action. I understand it's a mistake, but to me, showing anything related to the US (especially with so many coins on the line) and using a US server is quite frankly seriously poor judgment.

Keep the thread updated on your AskGamblers ticket.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: TwitchySeal on September 25, 2020, 03:44:24 AM
The physical location nonsense is quite unusual for gambling sites, isn't it? Typically TOS says something about being a citizen or a resident of a certain country. There is no plausible way to enforce it (KYC can't prove your physical location) so it's pretty much like it's deliberately added to screw gamblers over.

It's actually pretty common.  I don't think the US has any regulation preventing online casinos from accepting bets from US citizens, only people located within the US.   Regulated US sites even use geo-location technology to confirm that all wagers are made from specific states (NJ, NV, DE).

This is an obvious money grab by cloud bet.  Their terms don't mention citizenship and even if they did, pay the man his money and then tell him he's no longer welcome.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 04:35:43 AM
In regards to this post, apparently this was all spurred when I realized there was a negative balance in the BTC account after I had already switched to BCH.  Are you telling me that I would actually withdraw BTC knowing there's a mis-grade and then also deposit BCH and continue betting with you wanting to steal any money. I had no idea about the negative balance.  When I go to withdraw from your site, I expect you to take whatever the balance is owed from the BTC balance.  Is this not obvious?  So you throw a KYC verification on there and use that as a reason to take someone's money oldest trick in the book please make this right.  I never tried to do anything with the negative balance that was a mis-grade and why would I re-deposit if I wanted to steal the mis-graded money that was the book's fault anyways.  Let's please work together on this and move on, Cloudbet.  Please.............

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet






Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Slow death on September 25, 2020, 08:56:46 AM
I think you should have included this in this thread:

In response to above post:

I was betting with bitcoin cash for the entire time.  There was a brief moment that I bet with bitcoin, but I went back to bitcoin cash.  After I had gone back to bitcoin cash, apparently when I went to withdraw I noticed the bitcoin balance was negative.  I figured they would take out the bitcoin cash to make up for the bitcoin misgrade.

The total cashout was 65 bitcoin cash about.  Which is about $14,000.  The total bitcoin misgrade was about $2,800.  So I had well enough to cover it. 


On top of this, they are now saying it's nothing to do with the misgrade but it's because I provided verification documents from a US citizen.  And that the decision is final that they are voiding all the bets because of this.  This is unacceptable.  They also said that I am welcome back if I am not on US soil, but I haven't been on US soil this whole time, and the verification documents I provided were playing it safe because I do not like to provide personal documents. 

Cloudbet needs to make this right as I have filed complaints with all the major boards.  This is not fair to have this loophole to just confiscate winnings and not pay out any losses that may have been incurred on the flip side.

Yes I had been using VPN's and VPS.  I wasn't on US soil.

I think the steps to follow would be:

1 - maybe some trusted members of the forum should check your documents that prove you were in mexico

2 - cloudBet should provide some DT members with a screen shot of the negative balance

In case cloudbet refuses, I think you should create a flag and the community will decide whether to support it or not!

PS: if you could post the screen shot of your negative balance, you would have a big advantage



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 01:06:54 PM

I think the steps to follow would be:

1 - maybe some trusted members of the forum should check your documents that prove you were in mexico

2 - cloudBet should provide some DT members with a screen shot of the negative balance

In case cloudbet refuses, I think you should create a flag and the community will decide whether to support it or not!

PS: if you could post the screen shot of your negative balance, you would have a big advantage



I'm happy to do this...

Yeah I don't have a screenshot unfortunately.  I don't get why they would pull this though- basically they are saying that if they mis-grade a wager, then they have an option to void all bets afterwards.  It makes no sense to blame me for this.  Especially if I deposited and continued wagering with bitcoin cash as usual with the negative balance.  If I withdraw then take it out of the bitcoin cash.  The antics are astounding.  I just want this to be resolved asap so I can move on with my life thank you.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: TwitchySeal on September 25, 2020, 02:21:33 PM

I think the steps to follow would be:

1 - maybe some trusted members of the forum should check your documents that prove you were in mexico

2 - cloudBet should provide some DT members with a screen shot of the negative balance

In case cloudbet refuses, I think you should create a flag and the community will decide whether to support it or not!

PS: if you could post the screen shot of your negative balance, you would have a big advantage



I'm happy to do this...

Yeah I don't have a screenshot unfortunately.  I don't get why they would pull this though- basically they are saying that if they mis-grade a wager, then they have an option to void all bets afterwards.  It makes no sense to blame me for this.  Especially if I deposited and continued wagering with bitcoin cash as usual with the negative balance.  If I withdraw then take it out of the bitcoin cash.  The antics are astounding.  I just want this to be resolved asap so I can move on with my life thank you.

The negative btc balance shouldn't be relevant as it was their mistake.  If it was your mistake because of a double spend or something, that would be different.

Proving you were in Mexico won't mean much unless they first acknowledge that their terms do not prevent someone from using their site simply because they are a citizen of a certain country.  

Leaving negative feedback now for them.



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: donuts1234 on September 25, 2020, 03:15:32 PM
Cloudbet had a similar case to this here: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/cloudbet-casino-not-paying-out-despite-completing-verification (https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/cloudbet-casino-not-paying-out-despite-completing-verification)

Where the user was a citizen of the UK, but played while in France. It seems after submitting proof that he was in France he got his BTC after.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 03:21:18 PM
dude, they misgraded a wager in BTC, i didn't find out until later when I had been betting in BCH.  I had like $20k in BCH and negative $3k in bitcoin.
They are saying that since I had a negative balance in bitcoin all my wagers after that are void because I didn't inform the sports team.
Upon withdrawal they flagged my account, asked for KYC and told me they were keeping the funds.

Is this not ridiculous?


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: TwitchySeal on September 25, 2020, 03:38:40 PM
dude, they misgraded a wager in BTC, i didn't find out until later when I had been betting in BCH.  I had like $20k in BCH and negative $3k in bitcoin.
They are saying that since I had a negative balance in bitcoin all my wagers after that are void because I didn't inform the sports team.
Upon withdrawal they flagged my account, asked for KYC and told me they were keeping the funds.

Is this not ridiculous?

From what you posted it seems the only reason they're seizing the funds is because you sent them a US government ID.  Is that correct? 
No need to discuss the misgraded bets unless they're saying they won't pay because of them, it will only make things more complicated than they need to be.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 03:41:58 PM
dude, they misgraded a wager in BTC, i didn't find out until later when I had been betting in BCH.  I had like $20k in BCH and negative $3k in bitcoin.
They are saying that since I had a negative balance in bitcoin all my wagers after that are void because I didn't inform the sports team.
Upon withdrawal they flagged my account, asked for KYC and told me they were keeping the funds.

Is this not ridiculous?

From what you posted it seems the only reason they're seizing the funds is because you sent them a US government ID.  Is that correct? 
No need to discuss the misgraded bets unless they're saying they won't pay because of them, it will only make things more complicated than they need to be.

I think it's because the only proof of address I had was the expired internet bill that I haven't paid for months since I haven't been living there.  I am getting a note from the landlord saying I live here.  I think they don't want to pay because of the citizenship and they want to say I live here which right now I do not. 

It's hard to get documentation of where you live when traveling, and there is ZERO communication on their end. 

Note:  their story keeps shifting but in the end, they say the reason the funds are ultimately frozen is because I am a US citizen, and the documentation apparently shows that I reside in the USA. 

BUT: If I am traveling when gambling as I should be, I should be able to prove that as well, but they are not communicating with me- they told me it was final at some point but then got a few more emails but mostly just canned responses.  I am still holding out hope....


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 03:55:40 PM
What do you guys suggest I do in order to prove I was in Mexico to their support/security?  I am not even sure they're reading the emails any more.  I just need to do anything to get the confiscated funds, they seem to have some vendetta against someone who wins a decent sized sum occasionally even if I dump it all back eventually they must have assumed I won too much and that wasn't going to happen.

What do you guys think I should do here?  Any feedback, basically what has happened now is:

one complaint forum askgamblers for casinos said they won't take the case because it's sports related, and not casino gambler related

and the other one said they think that all my bets should be voided if there was a negative balance but they don't understand maybe that the bitcoin cash balance was separate from the bitcoin balance, I had over $20,000 in the bitcoin cash balance and a negative $3,000 bitcoin balance.  Apparently it was my obligation to inform their sports team otherwise all bets would be voided from that point (and of course at the same time, they wouldn't return any losing wagers so it's all a moot point).  This site is set up so that they can do a money grab here and there just to make up for some of the high limits on small events that no other books seem to offer on such a large scale in live events.  So they scam the smart money to try and stop them from coming back or even having any money to begin with.

I need some resolution and if anyone has any suggestions, believe me, I am open.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 25, 2020, 08:25:49 PM
I just sent in some of my itinerary and things, I'm hoping they will be reasonable.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 26, 2020, 12:03:12 PM
Thank you to everyone supporting the thread .  This is really awful situation.  Let me know if you have any further suggestions.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on September 30, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
Still no resolution for the $15,000 in deposits.  Need some help getting the funds back, if there's anyone in the community who could support me in this please private message me.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 01, 2020, 03:57:15 AM
Quote
Dear Mr. ____,

My previous email included an attachment of all of your deposits and withdrawals, which shows that you have withdrawn more coin out of the account than you have deposited. As you knowingly circumvented our registration blocks to place bets on the site you immediately breached our terms of service. These registration blocks are in place to ensure we comply with regulations and do not accept players from jurisdictions that are prohibited.

I understand that you may feel entitled to the funds that have been frozen, but I can assure you that these funds have been accumulated unlawfully and thus have been rightfully frozen. We ensured that you received back the value of your investment into the site. If the circumstances were different and your total deposits did not exceed the amount you withdrew, we would have made arrangements for your to withdraw. We have no intention of causing unnecessary stress for people, whether they are entitled to play on site or not.

In reference to your last deposits, which are all documented in my earlier attachment. There is no record of a 50BCH deposit under that transaction hash, the address in that transaction does not even belong to a Cloudbet account. Mentioning this through online forums and this correspondence is defamatory and untrue.

We have sufficient evidence to conclude your account has been rightfully closed and therefore, I deem this case to be closed with no further action required. We will be happy to provide Curacao Gaming with any supporting evidence if they request it.

I trust this meets your understanding.

Kind regards,

Steve

Head of Customer Service

Here is an email I got from the head of customer service.  

HE IS DENYING that I even sent 50 BCH as a final deposit.  Do you know how I know that I sent 50 BCH as a final deposit?
I was sending 20% of my bankroll each time.  Each time I would lose, the 20% became 20% less.  Do you see now?  

24
20
16
11

and finally I chased with the last of my coin, 50 BCH.  11 BCH was about 20% of 60 BCH so I chased with the last 50 BCH.

He is denying that I even deposited the last 50 BCH.

Everything out of them is lies.  I have people I know ready to call them out everywhere on the internet.  They need to pay up before it gets out of hand.  I'm a long time member of the bitcoin gambling community, well-connected and they need to wake up and pay out and stop lying and being so mean.







____________________________________________________________________
Look at all their other scams.  Also anyone notice how obnoxious their support emails are while they're robbing you blind for thousands and thousands of dollars?  They are criminal.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131467.20
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228999.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230183.0
https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/asq0fi/followup_about_the_guy_that_was_owed_330_btc_on/
https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/anhcjh/cloudbet_is_scam_they_are_not_paying_for_winning/
https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/ao6txz/warning_bitcoin_sportbook_cloudbetcom_is_trying/

Please withdraw your money, don't deposit, don't give them any money.  They are irresponsible at best, thieves most likely.  They are morally corrupt and need to go out of business or pay the customers.  Don't go into business if you don't have a good business model- if you have to confiscate funds for marketing budget and reputation management and giving bonuses to your employees, your life is a waste.

This company is extremely shady.  Avoid at all costs.  And they keep claiming they made me whole too in the thread.  They just want me to go away.  This has ruined my life.

_______________________________________________________________________________ __________

Quote
The amount you have withdrawn, in both currencies, is greater the amount you have deposited. This means that as it stands you have profited from breaking the terms of the site and the restrictions we put in place to protect the site and players from prohibited jurisdictions. Whatever balance on the remains account is not a balance that you are entitled to.

Your attempt to tarnish the reputation of Cloudbet with false statements is not one that we take lightly, these references to payments that do not exist are unnecessary, especially given we have provided a full summary of deposits and withdrawals for each currency. We will not acknowledge any other claims relating to non-existent deposits.

As a conclusion to this thread, I'm sorry that you're not satisfied with the outcome, our decision has been taken following careful consideration of all the facts and an in-depth review of the account activity. We're confident that our actions are just and fair, therefore, we do not consider a need for any further action.

We've spent a great deal of time on this case, whilst I sympathise with you we are unable to continue to put resources into a closed case. Please consider this our final communication with you on this matter.

Curacao Gaming team, I appreciate your efforts acting as a mediator between us and Mr Saxe, please reach out to me if you require any additional information.
Kind regards,

Steve

Head of Customer Service

This was just sent to me.  I do feel threatened by the statement that they're not taking lightly that I'm "attempting to tarnish their reputation".

I will make a sizeable donation to something of community's choosing should I get paid my deposits back.  



Cloudbet: you can pay out the deposits to this BCH address: bitcoincash:qr227zke490frjq5f55fdzn7fxx8rsuqhvtualzst6

I will let you guys know when they pay,

___________________________________________




Also they just said this in their main 'cloudbet' thread on here (which is criminal by the way since they are basically a ponzi scheme and should be banned from the site)

Hi everyone, we'd like to address the case of efxes.

Our Player Safety Team performed a standard verification check on the account after noticing several failed logins from the USA.

Our authentication log reveals that the player attempted to authenticate from the USA followed by several other European cities within minutes - this clearly goes against his claim that he is living in and playing from Mexico.
  
Whilst the player complied and supplied an identity document and proof of address, he failed to submit documents that support his claims of residing in Mexico. We consequently closed the account after confirming a clear breach of our terms and licensing agreement.

We ensured that the player received the total sum of their deposit back and consequently consider this case to be closed.

@efxes,  can you confirm that Cloudbet returned the total sum of your deposit?

No, they kept all the deposits I made on the last day.  They are referring to the total number of deposits over the many months I was using the account.  

I deposited 125 BCH on the last day, all the rest of my money.  I lost a few deposits, and was down to 67 BCH, the last of my money.  So I went to withdraw it like always and they are keeping it.  I lost half of my deposits that day, and withdrew the last pittance, and they are taking it.

________________________________________

and in response to above:

@efxes,  can you confirm that Cloudbet returned the total sum of your deposit?

No they keep telling me they closed the case and that the deposits won't be returned.

Here is the very last deposit:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/07e225dfb96a2e36b3375b6580cf52b879f24bec6b6e325910c2eed13affee44
And here are 4 other deposits I made that day, I was losing badly, the total deposits in the day were
24 BCH https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c
20 BCH https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83
16 BCH https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1
11 BCH https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3
and last one was 50 BCH

They said since in the lifetime of the account I had made money off of them that I'm not due anything.  

So they are keeping 67 BCH (around $15,000).  


I feel that since they have my personal documents that I am now a $15,000 target of them.  I just want the money back, it's such shady practices and bad for the industry.  Do you guys agree or what?  What happens if you win $15,000, will you feel that you will get paid no problem after this?  

All this over $15,000,


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 01, 2020, 10:43:39 AM
Looks like they're not lying about the final 50 BCH, was my mistake- I think I had switched over that back to BTC after I ran up the final amounts.I had deposited easily 24 BCH20 BCH16 BCH11 BCH
Which totals 71 BCH regardless and before that
a 40 BCH depositand a 30 BCH deposit.
Those last 4 deposits were made while there was still balance in the account, I just kept depositing to load up on some bets.
FYI because yeah, that lie would have been strange.

Here are all of the deposits I had made to the site in the last days.
2020-09-20 02:03
-62.870026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2b5e75e192cdb526bdd9d2b533e7d2831a7c1b396dabb7c140d0d6d7f56f11ff

2020-09-20 03:42
-30.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/01e511b44f7764c5c0777d5e05bb0a0469735dac1986f7e1c7ce88a329165804

2020-09-20 03:42
-40.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/e65e1d247510d1b3eadfd9b60e60e684317aef3d05c89bcea63899e56f65e70f

2020-09-20 04:35
-25.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b9ff51ded44267f6cb791115c22f6efd3e6601f74883c8c659b1a27e005f2a63

2020-09-21 04:06
-17.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4aba5056b29de5c859fbee68cd4d97cc0c62f0fe9569e7e919d82eda414b5db8

2020-09-21 04:46
-13.500043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e41abd57b82f45f79bd2f53ad54351c95bd31572fb4a6a5ae3cf2b7109069a7

2020-09-21 04:46
-7.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/a75034c751b2237dedcd1ce9e83f8e36c159ad7b46e54b2f428c46af42a3b412

2020-09-21 06:46
-20.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/ef102b75b7d0203ab30d59220884f4e434a13708b338aa58f55d44a5cdf958bf

2020-09-21 08:21
-10.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/5eaff8faf8d150b90401064fe08e6e2fbf57c9165c4293133c641121d999df3c

2020-09-21 08:23
-5.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/d7464120ea42e93516bd69b9480198602408f66002ff642340a5741b2bf8fda4

2020-09-21 09:11
-16.00004247: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/c68f163c2e0c96e1ee88ab16e6f4027de708a9c3a3c938a0c3630b652b5173ef

2020-09-22 00:19
-40.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/95500ca4c75f1fccdfa8f7be857e0cb970ab65452a2d5652bedaeb0025b5a18e

2020-09-22 03:16
-30.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/f275fba7618cb81e1703abc6db23ef861ef8ddb76ae43bd398bb0a27f241340b

2020-09-22 08:32
-8.380026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/d33c583f3657e815293faa3c941ef334e36265b9425ed29480d3662d2fc40408

THE FINAL DEPOSITS:

2020-09-23 04:47
-24.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c

2020-09-23 06:29
-20.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83

2020-09-23 07:36
-16.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1

2020-09-23 11:25
-3.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa

2020-09-23 11:25
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FINAL CASHOUT REQUEST was around 67 BCH.  Some other cashouts had been processed along the way without freezing the account yet.









Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 01, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
Can anyone help me to find the status of the following scam accusations against Cloudbet?

CLOUDBET IS SCAM! They are not paying for winning bets!- status?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105084.0

Cloudbet SCAM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103376.0

Cloudbet - SCAM - 30BTC being stolen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5074681.0

Cloudbet Void french ligue 1 winning bet without reason.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068083.0

Cloudbet scammers? Many Users don't get their Money.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4898772.0

CLOUDBET - stay away from these scammers
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4807822.0

Cloudbet SCAM? Refusing to payout
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4088023.0

Cloudbet SCAM?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3469100.0

cloudbet accepted deposit, but no withdrawal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3256084.0

CLOUDBET JUST BANNED ME AND WONT ALLOW ME TO WITHDRAW
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2979923.0

(SCAM?) BEWARE WITH CLOUDBET
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2902574.0

CLOUDBET SCAM?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2702669.0

Cloudbet does not payout money
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2571860.0

Cloudbet is knowingly and willfully stealing my bitcoin - Solved Iguess
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2398658.0

cloudbet is a scam website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1880426.0

Dont Deal With Cloudbet.com - SCAM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1865653.0

CLOUDBET SCAM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1862880.0

Cloudbet Refusing Withdrawal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1836370.0

cloudbet is a scam website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1828332.0

Why is CloudBet not negative repped?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1801016.0

calling the attention of CLOUDBET
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1794631.0

Is cloudbet.com scam ?? [ solved ] - Solved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1755403.0

Cloudbet.com don't pay out winning
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736901.0

Cloudbet not sending my withdrawal...not answering emails
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1687157.0

Stay Away from Cloudbet ( Fraud Sportsbook )
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1686721.0

Cloudbet Not sure about OPs intention
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1651314.0

Cloudbet.com - SCAM!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1640675.0

Don't use cloudbet.com because they haven't pay yet over 24 hr my withdraw
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1497105.0

SCAM cloudbet WARNING
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1470919.0

cloudbet SCAM WARNING
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1440736.0

Cloudbet.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1346952.0

CLOUDBET.COM IS A SCAM!! STOLE MY 25 BTC FOR NO REASON, RIP OFF BE CAREFUL!!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=991041.0

CLOUDBET is a scam!!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846266.0

Cloudbet Scam - This Could happen to ANY cloudbet player
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819311.0

Cloudbet scam..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=618715.0


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: JollyGood on October 01, 2020, 09:53:27 PM
I hope Cloudbet reply in this thread because it seems you have been treated unfairly at the very least and scammed at worst.

Did you have any correspondence with them since creating this thread because what they wrote here is unnacceptable: I'm terribly sorry to hear about this matter and the inconvenience that it's brought but we're merely abiding by the Terms & Conditions that have been put in place for each and every player who joins in on the Cloudbet experience to adhere to.

Your account's access was immediately blocked as part of the verification process and since your documentation proves that you're a resident in the US, we cannot grant you the access once again. Please note that the funds have been frozen and as you are the sole person with access to your account, they shall remain as such.

Cloudbet are effectively saying they will keep your money and it seems like selective scamming.


What happened:: Cloudbet confiscated 65 bitcoin cash in my account after requesting a withdrawal and froze/locked the account due to providing documents from USA country.
  I won the funds making sports bets and they say the bets are voided due to US citizenship.  


Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55254927#msg55254927


Amount Scammed: ~65 bch bitcoin cash


Payment Method: bitcoin cash


Proof of Payment: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/07e225dfb96a2e36b3375b6580cf52b879f24bec6b6e325910c2eed13affee44


PM/Chat Logs: Dear efxes,

Thank you for contacting Cloudbet support.

I'm terribly sorry to hear about this matter and the inconvenience that it's brought but we're merely abiding by the Terms & Conditions that have been put in place for each and every player who joins in on the Cloudbet experience to adhere to.

Your account's access was immediately blocked as part of the verification process and since your documentation proves that you're a resident in the US, we cannot grant you the access once again. Please note that the funds have been frozen and as you are the sole person with access to your account, they shall remain as such.

Should you have any further questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Kind regards,

Stefano
Cloudbet Support Team Leader


Additional Notes: Please return the funds.  I need them to start my life again, I was counting on them.  I've since went into a downward spiral, am extremely distraught about all of this.  Never had this much taken, though I've been scammed before.



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 01, 2020, 09:57:59 PM
I"ve had communication near daily (about every other day) with them and multiple people telling me they will help mediate an agreement and nothing.  They just keep telling me I'm in the wrong for being from the USA and it's liable to keep my funds.  Every time I speak with them they tell me they're closing the case there's nothing more to be talked about they're keeping the $15,000 in the account due to residence documentation.

They have gotten a ton of flags on this forum and I think they're going to have trouble if they don't resolve it.  Members of the community seem to be getting behind me and I just don't know how I feel about the future of the book with the various scams over the years.

Please stay tuned, I will keep you guys posted on new developments.  Some other people have messaged me wanting to help me or just generally supporting you and I feel very happy about this.  These are very very dark times for me.

I will make a sizeable donation to a charity of the bitcointalk's choosing if (when) I get paid out.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: JollyGood on October 02, 2020, 08:10:31 AM
When you have new developments or updates do post here.

As for people sending you private messages offering support be very careful to make the distinction between those sending you kind words of support from those that are in the long term trying to swindle you out of money by making promises to get your funds back.

I do not know why anybody would send a PM to you saying "hey I am sorry you got scammed" when they could easily post it here for all to see. In many cases that starts out as the first point of contact for scammers in their long-game attempt to ask for money.

I understand these are dark times for you but the only way you might have a chance of getting Cloudbet to release your funds is if they get pressure from senior well respected members of this community or if you have the means to serve litigation and they will definitely settle out of court.

To be clear I am very disappointed about how these scam accusations against keep appearing. I have no idea why Cloudbet are quite clearly selective scamming users. The idea they will not stop a US citizen from depositing funds or gambling but will seize his funds when he tries to withdraw because he is a US citizen is both preposterous and illegal in every sense of the word.

I will make a public post in their thread and found that cloudbetscam.com (https://cloudbetscams.com) website link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55299379#msg55299379



I"ve had communication near daily (about every other day) with them and multiple people telling me they will help mediate an agreement and nothing.  They just keep telling me I'm in the wrong for being from the USA and it's liable to keep my funds.  Every time I speak with them they tell me they're closing the case there's nothing more to be talked about they're keeping the $15,000 in the account due to residence documentation.

They have gotten a ton of flags on this forum and I think they're going to have trouble if they don't resolve it.  Members of the community seem to be getting behind me and I just don't know how I feel about the future of the book with the various scams over the years.

Please stay tuned, I will keep you guys posted on new developments.  Some other people have messaged me wanting to help me or just generally supporting you and I feel very happy about this.  These are very very dark times for me.

I will make a sizeable donation to a charity of the bitcointalk's choosing if (when) I get paid out.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 02, 2020, 09:11:19 AM
In response to the previous post from JollyGood

Thank you so so so much, your guys' support does mean the world to me.

I will continue to keep the community updated.  Even if they pay me out, I am very concerned about the future of how they run their business.  I am extremely unhappy and yes these are very dark times.  This has changed my life.  

You are correct, they did selectively scam me.  They waited for a deposit knowing they could freeze the funds, and they did.  Knowing that I had a winning account (only slightly) and that they would be entitled to keep it under that stipulation or a few others they wanted to create.  

I hope I get paid and that they begin to rectify their way of doing things.  There's so many horrible accusations.  I was extremely alarmed when I logged in to their Discord chat yesterday to see another user claiming they are stealing 2 bitcoins from him ($21,000 + fees to buy the sucker).


As per your question in the other thread of whether the total withdrawals exceeded the total deposits:  yes they did, my account was in the green in the 3 months it was open.  This does not give them the right to process big cashouts and deposits and then wait for a big deposit or multiple big deposits to keep the deposits and become entitled to the funds (Should I not lose those deposits and request a cashout).  My point being:  this was designed to take a winning account's funds using TOS, denying large cashouts.  It's not fair at all to me, to future depositors, to the crypto community.  It's a scam.


Thank you eternally.  Yes, am wary of people trying to help, all have seemed very very genuine so far.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Slow death on October 02, 2020, 10:33:31 AM
I left negative feedback on their account and I supported your flag. put the link of the flag on the OP (on the first page) for all people to see and decide whether they support the flag or not. Is something cruel keep money from the customers





Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: JollyGood on October 02, 2020, 10:40:38 AM
I left negative feedback on their account and I supported your flag. put the link of the flag on the OP (on the first page) for all people to see and decide whether they support the flag or not. Is something cruel keep money from the customers
I was very tempted to leave negative feedback for Cloudbet too but will give them time to respond to my request which was posted earlier. Cloudbet are seeing these types of selective scamming allegations piling up therefore they really should start re-thinking their strategy about addressing complaints and also making it absolutely clear in massive bold letter with a jquery pop box on their website before users sign up stating all the warnings they want to avoid confusion.



Hi everyone, we'd like to address the case of efxes.

Our Player Safety Team performed a standard verification check on the account after noticing several failed logins from the USA.

Our authentication log reveals that the player attempted to authenticate from the USA followed by several other European cities within minutes - this clearly goes against his claim that he is living in and playing from Mexico.
  
Whilst the player complied and supplied an identity document and proof of address, he failed to submit documents that support his claims of residing in Mexico. We consequently closed the account after confirming a clear breach of our terms and licensing agreement.

We ensured that the player received the total sum of their deposit back and consequently consider this case to be closed.
@Cloudbet

Please could you confirm the following:

1) What were the total number of deposits the user efxes made before his account was closed

2) What were total amount of accumulative funds user efxes deposited before his account was closed

3) What were the total amount of funds that user efxes gambled

4) What were the total amount of funds that user efxes won by betting

5) What was the total amount that you returned to user efxes before closing his account

Your answers will provide enough information for members to be able to conclude if the amounts involved (what he sent to Cloudbet and what Cloudbet returned to him) are disputed or not.

Furthermore, the Cloudbet reputation was already affected after years of disputes and allegations and this is one more in a long line of complaints. Unlike the other incidents though, there is now a website which clearly will be indexed by search engines and will bring negativity to your business like never before: https://cloudbetscams.com

If Cloudbet are not in the wrong there are plenty of members here that will support it but if Cloudbet have selective scammed efxes then there will be no member that will ever defend Cloudbet.

Please try to reach out to efxes and resolve this matter.

Thank you


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 03, 2020, 04:05:11 AM
Still nothing from Cloudbet.  I am sending in documents tomorrow, they are non-communicative at this point in all realms.  They continue to advertise on Twitter and they blocked me on Twitter.  They truly have a lot of nerve. 

Need something big to happen this is affecting my life in a very negative way.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 03, 2020, 04:27:43 AM
I left negative feedback on their account and I supported your flag. put the link of the flag on the OP (on the first page) for all people to see and decide whether they support the flag or not. Is something cruel keep money from the customers
I was very tempted to leave negative feedback for Cloudbet too but will give them time to respond to my request which was posted earlier. Cloudbet are seeing these types of selective scamming allegations piling up therefore they really should start re-thinking their strategy about addressing complaints and also making it absolutely clear in massive bold letter with a jquery pop box on their website before users sign up stating all the warnings they want to avoid confusion.



Hi everyone, we'd like to address the case of efxes.

Our Player Safety Team performed a standard verification check on the account after noticing several failed logins from the USA.

Our authentication log reveals that the player attempted to authenticate from the USA followed by several other European cities within minutes - this clearly goes against his claim that he is living in and playing from Mexico.
  
Whilst the player complied and supplied an identity document and proof of address, he failed to submit documents that support his claims of residing in Mexico. We consequently closed the account after confirming a clear breach of our terms and licensing agreement.

We ensured that the player received the total sum of their deposit back and consequently consider this case to be closed.
@Cloudbet

Please could you confirm the following:

1) What were the total number of deposits the user efxes made before his account was closed

2) What were total amount of accumulative funds user efxes deposited before his account was closed

3) What were the total amount of funds that user efxes gambled

4) What were the total amount of funds that user efxes won by betting

5) What was the total amount that you returned to user efxes before closing his account

Your answers will provide enough information for members to be able to conclude if the amounts involved (what he sent to Cloudbet and what Cloudbet returned to him) are disputed or not.

Furthermore, the Cloudbet reputation was already affected after years of disputes and allegations and this is one more in a long line of complaints. Unlike the other incidents though, there is now a website which clearly will be indexed by search engines and will bring negativity to your business like never before: https://cloudbetscams.com

If Cloudbet are not in the wrong there are plenty of members here that will support it but if Cloudbet have selective scammed efxes then there will be no member that will ever defend Cloudbet.

Please try to reach out to efxes and resolve this matter.

Thank you

Cloudbet doesn't seem to want to resolve the situation, I'm continuing to attempt to talk to them about getting paid, sending in documents etc.  No need to waste time and not flag them at this point.  They don't want to answer anyone's questions except with canned responses and BS excuses.  The whole situation is making me sick.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 05, 2020, 02:11:42 PM
still nothing.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Slow death on October 05, 2020, 02:21:46 PM
Cloudbet doesn't seem to want to resolve the situation, I'm continuing to attempt to talk to them about getting paid, sending in documents etc.  No need to waste time and not flag them at this point.  They don't want to answer anyone's questions except with canned responses and BS excuses.

these online casinos have created a TOS that only gives them the power to do anything. they are also registered in countries that do not have a great reputation because they were unable to register in reputable countries (no offense). but fact Is that every year we see the same things:

let the person deposit a lot of bitcoins (something like 30 BTC) and if the person is able to win at the time of withdrawing ask KYC to retain funds

  I never saw anyone come to this forum and say: "I deposited 30 BTC in casino X and lose, but casino X realized that I created an account in country X that is against TOS and gave me back my 30 BTC". I never saw that!

The whole situation is making me sick.

keep calm and don't give up. it's yours hard-earned money you got with your effort and it's not fair for someone to just take it without any valid reason


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 05, 2020, 02:30:18 PM
This is spot on.

Basically, let's say I ran a sportsbook.  Any time there's a winning account over a set amount of time, I can do the following:

I can mis-grade a wager so that all bets are voided after that if they win (but if they lose it, nothing happens).

I can also: wait for their next big deposits.  If they lose all of it, no problem.  If they win, I freeze the account and find ways to either hold the funds for many many days and not pay due to fraud investigation, or immediately come up with a guilty verdict for a TOS.

It is criminal


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: JollyGood on October 05, 2020, 07:28:51 PM
I think you summed things up eloquently. Those types of ToS are usually back-up references that the casinos can fall back on when all else fails in trying to justify stealing from a user. As you rightly pointed out the scam usually takes place when alleged algorithm pulls up suspicious accounts when there is a huge balance involved or when a user tries to withdraw funds.

@Cloudbet we are still waiting for you to respond in this thread in a clear manner about what you intend to do next or you could always contact efxes and start the process of reconciliation with him.


Cloudbet doesn't seem to want to resolve the situation, I'm continuing to attempt to talk to them about getting paid, sending in documents etc.  No need to waste time and not flag them at this point.  They don't want to answer anyone's questions except with canned responses and BS excuses.

these online casinos have created a TOS that only gives them the power to do anything. they are also registered in countries that do not have a great reputation because they were unable to register in reputable countries (no offense). but fact Is that every year we see the same things:

let the person deposit a lot of bitcoins (something like 30 BTC) and if the person is able to win at the time of withdrawing ask KYC to retain funds

  I never saw anyone come to this forum and say: "I deposited 30 BTC in casino X and lose, but casino X realized that I created an account in country X that is against TOS and gave me back my 30 BTC". I never saw that!

The whole situation is making me sick.

keep calm and don't give up. it's yours hard-earned money you got with your effort and it's not fair for someone to just take it without any valid reason


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Slow death on October 05, 2020, 08:02:23 PM
@Cloudbet we are still waiting for you to respond in this thread in a clear manner about what you intend to do next or you could always contact efxes and start the process of reconciliation with him.

what makes anyone more stressed Is when they ignore you. @Cloudbet entered the forum but did not answer anything. I already used the Cloudbet website and I had no problem, maybe because I had deposited a very small amount (it was a 0.004 BTC deposit last year). But when I used the @Cloudbet I thought they wouldn't have any more problems like that, then I did more research and decided to just use sportsbet.io and now I'm using my country's local website because I started to be afraid of many sports betting sites. My point is that accusations of this kind destroy a website's reputation a lot. And from what I see when some betting site becomes very popular? they do not caring about this forum, they no longer care about things like negative feedback, maybe only the flag could have better results


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Stedsm on October 05, 2020, 09:59:12 PM
Cloudbet and many other ^so-called reputed^ gambling and sportsbetting websites have been in the discussions since few days already. I know how cloudbet stopped one player get their jackpot by accusing them of multi-accounting and this multi-accounting phrase looks like a perfect advantage for these sportsbetting sites in order to stop their customers from leaving these sites happily with their money. And now this KYC clause. I believe they are just trying to stop users to remain in their sites play there and end up losing everything (if they have not frozen a user's account but are also not paying their winnings). You've not been in US, just a citizen but the place you live in does allow you to gamble at this site, so I still don't get it where the problem came from?

@OP, I wish you great luck while trying to resolve such a matter where you need to plead for your own money.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 05, 2020, 10:26:35 PM
thank you man, i appreciate that.

And thank you to Jolly and Slow Death.  I am sitting tight and awaiting word from Cloudbet.  Jolly has asked the right questions.  Slow death has made some excellent points.  Arcas laid out some good information.  These are good people in the community.

Let's see a resolution pleaaase.  Put some faith bath in the sites please.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 05, 2020, 10:28:20 PM
I left negative feedback on their account and I supported your flag. put the link of the flag on the OP (on the first page) for all people to see and decide whether they support the flag or not. Is something cruel keep money from the customers
I was very tempted to leave negative feedback for Cloudbet too but will give them time to respond to my request which was posted earlier. Cloudbet are seeing these types of selective scamming allegations piling up therefore they really should start re-thinking their strategy about addressing complaints and also making it absolutely clear in massive bold letter with a jquery pop box on their website before users sign up stating all the warnings they want to avoid confusion.



Hi everyone, we'd like to address the case of efxes.

Our Player Safety Team performed a standard verification check on the account after noticing several failed logins from the USA.

Our authentication log reveals that the player attempted to authenticate from the USA followed by several other European cities within minutes - this clearly goes against his claim that he is living in and playing from Mexico.
  
Whilst the player complied and supplied an identity document and proof of address, he failed to submit documents that support his claims of residing in Mexico. We consequently closed the account after confirming a clear breach of our terms and licensing agreement.

We ensured that the player received the total sum of their deposit back and consequently consider this case to be closed.
@Cloudbet

Please could you confirm the following:

1) What were the total number of deposits the user efxes made before his account was closed

2) What were total amount of accumulative funds user efxes deposited before his account was closed

3) What were the total amount of funds that user efxes gambled

4) What were the total amount of funds that user efxes won by betting

5) What was the total amount that you returned to user efxes before closing his account

Your answers will provide enough information for members to be able to conclude if the amounts involved (what he sent to Cloudbet and what Cloudbet returned to him) are disputed or not.

Furthermore, the Cloudbet reputation was already affected after years of disputes and allegations and this is one more in a long line of complaints. Unlike the other incidents though, there is now a website which clearly will be indexed by search engines and will bring negativity to your business like never before: https://cloudbetscams.com

If Cloudbet are not in the wrong there are plenty of members here that will support it but if Cloudbet have selective scammed efxes then there will be no member that will ever defend Cloudbet.

Please try to reach out to efxes and resolve this matter.

Thank you

please answer this or resolve things iwth me privately cloudbet.  Please.  I'm tired.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 07, 2020, 12:02:58 PM
As you mentioned, you're a poker player and have most likely followed the lockdown of the online poker room and betting closely in the US -- I mean, the PokerStars founder only recently settled his court case after 9 years of legal action. I understand it's a mistake, but to me, showing anything related to the US (especially with so many coins on the line) and using a US server is quite frankly seriously poor judgment.

Keep the thread updated on your AskGamblers ticket.

this guy works for cloudbet and is trying to sway public opinion.

Can you please just settle and pay the money.  It is out of hand at thsi point.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Finestream on October 07, 2020, 12:10:44 PM
Everything is in favor of the crypto casinos, they'll always allow you deposit even without KYC, and now when you win and try to withdraw your winning, they'll require a KYC. Why can't they just require a KYC first and don't allow a gambler until they complied with that certain requirement.

As per IP address, it does not make sense since some of us could be travelling from different part of of the world, hence IP address and location could change but the mere fact we submitted the documents and approve to gamble, that seems to be a fair process.

Sorry for your loss OP, hopefully Cloudbet would also say something about the accusation.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: JollyGood on October 07, 2020, 12:54:47 PM
He seems to have a hidden agenda which just might not be too hidden since his posts are pro-Cloudbet

As you mentioned, you're a poker player and have most likely followed the lockdown of the online poker room and betting closely in the US -- I mean, the PokerStars founder only recently settled his court case after 9 years of legal action. I understand it's a mistake, but to me, showing anything related to the US (especially with so many coins on the line) and using a US server is quite frankly seriously poor judgment.

Keep the thread updated on your AskGamblers ticket.

this guy works for cloudbet and is trying to sway public opinion.

Can you please just settle and pay the money.  It is out of hand at thsi point.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 07, 2020, 02:05:12 PM
I just got this email from cloudbet phishing for more deposits.

https://i.imgur.com/kVroB3Y.png

We accept US Dollar Coin but we do not Pay It Out if you are a winning account.  We find every trick in the book to steal your crypto.  And then we use our company to launder coins we stole and gained by illicit means in criminal organizations.  Pay the damn money back, please.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 08, 2020, 09:33:08 AM
Cloudbet is continuing to phish for deposits FROM USA CUSTOMERS.  All of their recent tweets are about accepting bets on USA POLITICS.  They are looking to outright steal player money especially USA citizens.

https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314049132777009152
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314046182511968258
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314036516889403394
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314032452633989121
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314030860069347329
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314028359920177152
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314027663137284098
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314022452758933504
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314021552707387392
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314013709149171713

These are all in the last day.  Every single post is about USA politics, yet they are stealing USA player money.

Cloudbet is about to become exposed if they don't pay the balance of Efxes very soon.  There are multiple people very upset with Cloudbet's actions in regards to Efxes.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 08, 2020, 01:20:10 PM
https://i.imgur.com/BQklomk.png

And here are all the deposits , lied about nothing.  I made one mistake saying I made a final 50 BCH deposit and that was admittedly a mistake.  In fact, I made a succession of 74BCH adding onto my account balance on Cloudbet.

This is not about winnings.  This is about stealing my deposits using an angle saying that my account had already profited in the past so they're allowed to wait for a deposit to freeroll me.

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 08, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
I want to encourage anyone and everyone who feels affected by this in any way, to please leave a flag linking back to the scam accusation thread or this thread, I'm not sure which is better if anyone can clarify, but

Scam accusation list a mile long and asking for Cloudbet to be removed from advertising in bitcointalk:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279500.0


Please leave negative feedback here immediately expressing your view of cloudbet freerolling winning accounts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154563


Let's get them off the forum so that sites that actually pay out like Betcoin and NitrogenSports and others can benefit and so can the players.



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 08, 2020, 01:35:32 PM
Please join with us in solidarity in kicking this scamming freerolling sportsbook off of the internet for good (let's start with bitcointalk)

https://i.imgur.com/BMO8w5w.png

Leave a flag here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154563


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 09, 2020, 02:47:48 PM
It's because they have been getting away with this so long.  The guy who made the video is a genius and a warrior for the bitcoin wagering community.  The fact that he made this video 4 months ago and people still are depositing to this site is telling. Bitcointalk needs to take action against Cloudbet if they continue to not pay out Efxes and other people they are scamming that is coming to light.

"Cloudbet Casino Scam Exposed Do Not Play At Cloudbet Casino Cloudbet Casino Review Casino Scam"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwrfQSJVJXU

He made this video 4 months ago warning people about Cloudbet!  But clearly more will need to be done to fight them stealing from the bitcoin community.

And then he made this video:

Cloudbet Scams Customer For $15,000 Cloudbet Scam Exposed Cloudbet Review DO NOT PLAY AT CLOUDBET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sqZqdsVNEU


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 09, 2020, 09:35:39 PM


I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/bc45fb9115e5ecbed7b7dad9e451c17199af77fc4c9f7f2271dca4184b3c6d48
2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/85681098d5a25c32d13c51594b16be6c7eb5719f75778fed1fefc760583f4f03
3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a710344ff678329f51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cf139d036a7b561e940ccf9e0e2419a70838805b302771192100e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b1e4b40416eb4f471ed66ee7c5fd5679cee39f38b7240660ad5e0db6bd854528


From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cfafbb8455234532e8a25dd849d26b4755ab7c5e87e6acc0e3552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3



So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your governmentĖissued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security




Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet





NOTE:  MODS, I have removed any links to any other sites besides transaction histories


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 09, 2020, 10:16:58 PM
I'm almost positive this is the guy who owns cloudbet.  He's tracking the stuff down all over the web and freaking the F out.  His busines is going down in flames.
Sorry to link this thread over at the other site but it's very relevant.  These guys are the worst type of scum on earth, fighting to steal money from the community.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p4.html
https://i.imgur.com/WezYsmn.png
https://i.imgur.com/o4HjIjh.png


Bitcointalk, I will be back in 48 hours once this thing settles.  I need a break for the sake of my sanity.  Never going to let this rest until I'm paid or they stop accepting deposits.  One of the two.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Harlot on October 09, 2020, 10:22:29 PM
I've seen related cases from CloudBet before and they usually give the winnings to their bettors back even if they are living in the US, but your case is different in a way that you are just a US resident playing in Mexico and I think what got you in trouble is providing US documents and not in anyway proving that you are playing in Mexico. I think the solution here is for you to follow-up a document showing proof that your are indeed domiciled in Mexico during those periods like a Utility bill named after you or maybe a hotel receipt showing that you are staying in Mexico during those bets. Also for Cloudbet I think we have seen several of these cases already so I think you need to find a solution on handling US players/residents entering and playing your site.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 09, 2020, 10:25:27 PM
I've seen related cases from CloudBet before and they usually give the winnings to their bettors back even if they are living in the US, but your case is different in a way that you are just a US resident playing in Mexico and I think what got you in trouble is providing US documents and not in anyway proving that you are playing in Mexico. I think the solution here is for you to follow-up a document showing proof that your are indeed domiciled in Mexico during those periods like a Utility bill named after you or maybe a hotel receipt showing that you are staying in Mexico during those bets. Also for Cloudbet I think we have seen several of these cases already so I think you need to find a solution on handling US players/residents entering and playing your site.

Harlot, I sent them in hotel receipts, a utility bill/statement with my address in mexico, I sent them even a note from my temporary month to month landlord in spanish signed.  I tried everything, but the truth is they have a history of stealing from winning sports bettors.

I've sent them everything they need.  They simply are a scam operation that steals from winning sports bettors, and also from the sounds of it they rig their casino and even use replayed live casino betting where you're not even betting on a live dealer, it's a recording.

The evidence is insurmountable against this scam operation.

Here's another piece of evidence against them.  They have been stealing for YEARS.
https://www.realscam.com/f9/cloudbet-ponzi-style-scam-sportsbook-do-not-play-there-5438/
For those who don't know, Cloudbet.com is a bitcoin sportsbook/casino. For a small bettor and most bettors they would seem like a legit book because most of them are losing bettors and if they pay out the small to medium bettors. But if you are a long term winning bettor they will find every excuse to not only keep your winnings but also your original deposit. They change their terms on conditions on the go as they please to justify their decisions.

I am a success full bettor and i follow a successful syndicate tipster Max XXXXXX from maxXXXXXX.com. Entire 2018 my go to book was pinnacle and betcris and I had no problem betting and getting paid there. But the limits in those books for some of the college football/basketball games are only $3000. This is when I decided to check out cloudbook since they tout themselves as the highest limit sportsbook. During the the final 2 weeks of december, college basketball bowl season, Max XXXXXX, posted all 6 of his 5 unit plays well ahead of time since the lines were out. This was a great opportunity for me to go heavy because he usually has only 2 to 3 five unit tips each month. I wanted to bet all 6 big and also play a parlay. Cloudbet already has sent me an offer earlier in 2018 where they offered 100% matching bonus for max of 5 bitcoins. This means they will match my deposit for up to 5 bitcoins. I decided try it and opened an account with cloudbet and deposited 5bitcoin and my account was credit extra 5 bitcoin for a total of 10 bitcoin. I went ahead and placed 1.5 bitcoin bet on each of the 6 bets and 1 bitcoin bet on a 6 team parlay. All 6 games won including the parlay and I i won total of 53 bitcoins and my total balance in my account now is 63 bitcoin. On the first week of January, I requested a withdrawal of 40 bitcoins into my bitcoin wallet and it was never processed. Customer service that responded almost instantly when i asked questions about depositing now took days to respond. They kept saying they are investigating few things and the payment will be processed upon completion. During the investigation they asked so many things for identification (nonsense because as a bitcoin book they tout themselves as a book to play anonymously) but i complied and gave them everything. THey concluded that I broke their terms and conditions and closed my account without any payment, not even my original deposit. I didn't break any rules. Only thing that I did was follow a tipster and no where in their terms and condition it says that I cannot follow syndicate tipsters. This month i found out that I was not alone. There is a complaint of a heavy hitter, probably another maxXXXXX client, complaining about cloudbet holding 338 of bitcoins after he deposited 112 bitcoins and ran up it up to 338 with winnings. You can find his story in bitcointalk forum adn as well as ask gamblers forums and few blogs/media covered his story as well. There are numerous other complaints.

cloudbet is a scam. if you are a winning bettor or big bettor, stay away.




and watch this video made four months ago with all of the various scam accusations against their casino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwrfQSJVJXU 

I don't bet casino i just bet sports and i generally win at tennis and they don't like that so they steal from you and boot you out of the casino like scum.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 09, 2020, 10:30:12 PM
I've seen related cases from CloudBet before and they usually give the winnings to their bettors back even if they are living in the US, but your case is different in a way that you are just a US resident playing in Mexico and I think what got you in trouble is providing US documents and not in anyway proving that you are playing in Mexico. I think the solution here is for you to follow-up a document showing proof that your are indeed domiciled in Mexico during those periods like a Utility bill named after you or maybe a hotel receipt showing that you are staying in Mexico during those bets. Also for Cloudbet I think we have seen several of these cases already so I think you need to find a solution on handling US players/residents entering and playing your site.

i gave them all teh documentation they need to process the cashout. 

Whether I"m in Mexico or not, I'm tired of dealing with that argument that they use to selectively scam winning bettors out of money.  If it wasn't USA it was going to be something else:  please trust me.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 09, 2020, 10:32:09 PM
taking this break now.  i will respond to whatever, but please don't tell me they shouldn't pay me.  it's insulting.  for whatever reason, TOS violations, whatever.  they need to pay me back the deposits.  Please don't go there.

See you all on Sunday or Monday.

I'm almost positive this is the guy who owns cloudbet.  He's tracking the stuff down all over the web and freaking the F out.  His busines is going down in flames.
Sorry to link this thread over at the other site but it's very relevant.  These guys are the worst type of scum on earth, fighting to steal money from the community.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p4.html
https://i.imgur.com/WezYsmn.png
https://i.imgur.com/o4HjIjh.png


Bitcointalk, I will be back in 48 hours once this thing settles.  I need a break for the sake of my sanity.  Never going to let this rest until I'm paid or they stop accepting deposits.  One of the two.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 10, 2020, 05:32:28 AM
I've seen related cases from CloudBet before and they usually give the winnings to their bettors back even if they are living in the US, but your case is different in a way that you are just a US resident playing in Mexico and I think what got you in trouble is providing US documents and not in anyway proving that you are playing in Mexico. I think the solution here is for you to follow-up a document showing proof that your are indeed domiciled in Mexico during those periods like a Utility bill named after you or maybe a hotel receipt showing that you are staying in Mexico during those bets. Also for Cloudbet I think we have seen several of these cases already so I think you need to find a solution on handling US players/residents entering and playing your site.

It really is that simple. Problem is that he has lied all the way through.

He had a post here on September 23rd that read:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55251268#msg55251268
"I just sent in all my verifying documents.  I could really really use the funds and I really like the site.  I've lost a lot of money to you guys, like a lot of BTC over the years, I just forget what my old logins are.  and I mean a LOT of bitcoin lol.  But i still keep coming back."

Then when Cloudbet sent their response with their decision, reasoning, and his avenue to get paid
"In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet"

he wrote:
So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.

They just want to steal the money.


---

He's being so unfair and lying at every turn. Total smear campaign that shouldn't be allowed. No I don't own Cloudbet. Yes I am a poster on SBR. There is a thread on there that will outline most of the real details of what has happened here.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 10, 2020, 09:35:48 AM
Again, guys. Cloudbet obviously wants this argument to be whether or not I was in the USA or Mexico. It plays in their favor. Red Apples is so blatant in having some sort of financial gain in me not being paid or smushing my power to speak up against Cloudbet.

But in the end, USA or not doesn't matter. Because I should be at least owed the decency of being returned my last deposits. Not freerolled.

Again: I should at least have the decency of being returned my last deposits on the account, and not freerolled- so return the account balance now.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 10, 2020, 10:23:53 AM
..
Cloudbet last login since forever, coincidence that it lines up with RedApples creating an account shortly after?  I think not.  It gets deeper just return the money cloudbet.  My time is more valuable than this.
https://i.imgur.com/ByJM04B.png
https://i.imgur.com/iBnnS8Z.png


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 10, 2020, 02:51:30 PM
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3600843-need-help-betcoin-ag-industry-feedback-appreciated.html#post29429714
This is a post RedApples made bashing Betcoin for their policies.  So what changed with Cloudbet?  Looks like a competitor to me.
https://i.imgur.com/P6SaMB3.png

You're not very slick are you, Cloudbet.  Go start another scambook this one is ruined.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 10, 2020, 02:52:13 PM
This isn't a joke.  This is my deposit address, I want the money I deposited to your site back in this address NOW.  
bitcoincash:qzv3tckrxlqu7fx5pywl34xvrvwe4ps0zy754zgsua

You are playing with my time, and everyone else's.  The community does not need to see this immaturity from a big company like yours.

From above post to quote YOU talking about Betcoin, your competitor:



🍎
🍎
🍎
https://i.imgur.com/dNTNxTK.png
"...all money in the account will evaporate, is that simply 'within their rules' and not stealing?  Surely it would still be stealing.  It's too gross and abusive and predatory" -red apples
🍎
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So you know what you do to people scamming the USA bitcoin community and you continue to do it because you get off on it.  Hmm, really awesome.  You must have so much deep love for yourself.  Such a stand-up operator.  cloudbetscamsDOTCOM is totally in the right for wanting expose you to protect the community we all enjoy and respect.






_______________________________________________


He also seems to be an expert on sportsbook laws and federal crimes in the USA and world gambling law.



Quite the expert in gambling law eh my man?  just pay the money, make this all stop.  please.  that's all i ask.

https://i.imgur.com/tym2BE5.png
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3622916-there-any-legitimate-honest-trustworthy-offshore-sportsbooks-out-there-now.html#post29742496

pay me what i deposited.  just pay it.  Mr. owner of Cloudbet

Red Apples = Owner of Cloudbet



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 10, 2020, 02:53:11 PM
He's also an expert in running a sportsbook, talking about automatic grading, clicking a button to grade bets, and you won't even believe this:

turning scams into profitable marketing opportunities

https://i.imgur.com/SknCcA8.jpg


___________________________________________


Remember how obsessed Cloudbet is with betting odds for USA politics and how obsessed they are in general with USA politics?  You won't find a shortage of Red Apples political posts either!  Dude is obviously jealous AF of USA citizens and likely scared AF about the feds.  Expert in all of it.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/3131459-donald-trumps-us-president-odds-improving-p2101.html#post29303352
https://i.imgur.com/xzy6FvG.png


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 10, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
I need the deposits back.  I'm destitute, broke.  Cloudbet broke me.  I need the money because I don't have any.  I'm broke.  I need it back, it's unfair what they are doing, they stole from not just me but from the community.  

I'm not the one with the website, I just have given my info and story to him, he's been helping me.  I think he'll continue on after this to make sure more people are paid and also stopping people from being scammed by this site that will never ever change their ways.

Cloudbet: I am advising you to get in touch with SBRforums immediately in order to have my rep Brad work with you in order to get me paid. Let's get this done. SBR are my boys they know what to do, they side with books but also with players let's please do what we can to get this done. You have insulted Sportsbookreview by not responding to the requests to talk to senior management.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Harlot on October 10, 2020, 09:27:32 PM
It really is that simple. Problem is that he has lied all the way through.

To be clear I am not siding with Cloudbet here since the OP clearly have shown evidence that he is just a US citizen playing in Mexico during his bets which clearly doesn't make him violate anything with regards to his winnings. If he was only in US soil while betting could give Cloudbet locking his account some justice.

Harlot, I sent them in hotel receipts, a utility bill/statement with my address in mexico, I sent them even a note from my temporary month to month landlord in spanish signed.  I tried everything, but the truth is they have a history of stealing from winning sports bettors.

I've sent them everything they need.  They simply are a scam operation that steals from winning sports bettors, and also from the sounds of it they rig their casino and even use replayed live casino betting where you're not even betting on a live dealer, it's a recording.

The evidence is insurmountable against this scam operation.


If that is the case then I see no reason why they are holding up your winnings until now. But like I said I've seen similar cases before and it usually takes weeks for them to be resolve so I think you have to wait for Cloudbet's slow response with your concern and lets just hope that they give your winnings back.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 10, 2020, 10:14:10 PM
Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff. 


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker. 

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back. 

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff. 


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 11, 2020, 01:34:45 PM
Another confession: I have mistaken the last deposits, I thought the last 3 BCH and 11 BCH were from cloudbet they were not but you can see here my last 4 deposits and they add to 84 BCH.

On the last day within 2 hours I send three successive deposits of 60 BCH total (24, 20, 16)
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv

This is the BCH wallet address.  I added on with each of those BCH deposits to the balance with the previous day's BCH balance I believe, though I know for sure the 60BCH wasn't because I lost, those were all basically one deposit.

https://i.imgur.com/beyU5ls.png


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: smyslov on October 11, 2020, 01:36:19 PM

I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.

You don't need to answer any more you have given everything now you have two threads here with a similar topic here and on Cloudbet official thread your posts have become redundant and I don't know long can you keep up with this, but you have done a good job ruining Cloudbet, this is by far their biggest accusation and it will stand for years to come.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: JollyGood on October 11, 2020, 02:09:01 PM

I am extremely disappointed after reading this confession. I will not be posting in this thread again.

Regardless of what the truth actually is - you seem to have lied multiple times and now cannot be trusted at all.

I have removed my support of the flag against Cloudbet and have removed my negative trust for them too because I am no longer interested in this drama.

I even sent them a PM yesterday asking for them to release the funds as it was affecting your mental well-being but since all that was exaggerated I will not be participating in your issue again:

Hello,

Kindly resolve the issue with efxes because the whole thing is beginning to affect his mental well being as can be seen in this post here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55351948#msg55351948

I hope you can return his funds to him without accepting responsibility or liability for what happened and you can continue to claim you were within the rights of your ToS to do it and he can make a promise to not post about Cloudbet again or play at your website again. I will make a personal request to the owner of the Cloudbet scam website to take it down too.

Kindly consider this request please because your reputation is getting damaged and also the fact efxes is suffering.

Thank you






Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff. 


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker. 

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back. 

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff. 


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 11, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
I do respect that and I apologize so much about mis-leading people.  I did a desperate thing that wasn't very smart or right... out of fear.  Wasn't smart to lie about everything- though looking back I think it's very common for people caught to make up these stories it happens a lot.

I'm very sorry Jolly.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 12, 2020, 01:26:19 AM
I had an account 18 months before I made the efxes@producehits.com account.  I hadn't bet at the site for 18 months and since I'm being truthful about EVERYTHING, one day I received a message when I went to log in that the account was closed or something due to being a USA customer.

So 18 months later I made the efxes@producehits.com account on a VPN.  I had never been KYC'd before.

According to my tallies via my emails, example screenshot here:
https://i.imgur.com/KgCld42.png





you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing)


In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)

Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account.  Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.
https://i.imgur.com/rsdNfv4.png




Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:

https://i.imgur.com/Ni3NT6w.png
https://i.imgur.com/g20YlwF.png



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing)





Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:
https://i.imgur.com/uVrqFaF.png




So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.



I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.



This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at



1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses
https://i.imgur.com/b11L0VB.png










I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real.  I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account.  I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.



Again:

Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing)

All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.



Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing)

https://i.imgur.com/7YBuiw1.png


So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet.  They closed my account since I used it from USA.  I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet.  So yes, I had two accounts.  But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways.  So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.
https://i.imgur.com/jG6pqvb.png

https://i.imgur.com/B0Zb0MU.png

If you don't want to click into the spreadsheet and you want to see all the proof of the deposits and withdrawals on the johncoltrane44@gmail.com

here is the imgur post with 240 deposits from 2017 to January of 2019
https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG (https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG)


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Harlot on October 12, 2020, 01:19:20 PM
I do respect that and I apologize so much about mis-leading people.  I did a desperate thing that wasn't very smart or right... out of fear.  Wasn't smart to lie about everything- though looking back I think it's very common for people caught to make up these stories it happens a lot.

I'm very sorry Jolly.

Bro I was truly shock by your confession since the whole point of a scam accusation for your to tell your side of the story and I gave all my points that Cloudbet was wrong since you are just a US Citizen player playing in Mexico which made Cloudbet's decision to lock your account unreasonable. If you look at Cloudbet's profile now you will see that a lot of DTs have given them a negative feedback because of your thread and several people supported your flag, can you see the affect it will give to these people on how they supported you based on your lies? The important thing about scam accusations is for you to point out your mistakes and hopefully Cloudbet will agree on your points as well.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 12, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
I do respect that and I apologize so much about mis-leading people.  I did a desperate thing that wasn't very smart or right... out of fear.  Wasn't smart to lie about everything- though looking back I think it's very common for people caught to make up these stories it happens a lot.

I'm very sorry Jolly.

Bro I was truly shock by your confession since the whole point of a scam accusation for your to tell your side of the story and I gave all my points that Cloudbet was wrong since you are just a US Citizen player playing in Mexico which made Cloudbet's decision to lock your account unreasonable. If you look at Cloudbet's profile now you will see that a lot of DTs have given them a negative feedback because of your thread and several people supported your flag, can you see the affect it will give to these people on how they supported you based on your lies? The important thing about scam accusations is for you to point out your mistakes and hopefully Cloudbet will agree on your points as well.

I really screwed this up so badly.  I should have just told my story right from the start but the problem was I think this happens to a lot of people in my situation.  They get caught VPN'ing and they make up a story, because they think it's the only way to get paid what is rightfully theirs.  I think it happens waaay more often than not, though it doesn't jsutify it.

Cloudbet threw a bunch of legal rules at me and I figured the only way to get paid is lie about my location

The worst part about it was stringing others along and now its' a complete and utter mess.  I'm not happy about any of it.


I still think I should be paid the money back.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 12, 2020, 03:50:23 PM
https://i.imgur.com/sTKIlY0.png


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 13, 2020, 12:56:00 AM
Email screenshots of withdrawals on 4 year old account (~30 withdrawals): https://imgur.com/a/tUUxi0e
Email screenshots of deposits on 4 year old account johncoltrane44@gmail.com (~200 deposits): https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG
Spreadsheet of deposits and withdrawals of johncoltrane44@gmail.com with links to each imgur: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing

https://i.imgur.com/cVpl3XH.png

This means I'm still down over .9 bitcoins even if I was paid out, yet cloudbet said in their post on the subject that i had withdrawn more than my deposits. clearly this is untrue. also in the past they have delayed like this and ended up paying, in similar cases. all i ask is they look at this info again, now that this info has come to light, so they can see they're making a mistake, and that I should be due my deposits back.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 13, 2020, 01:05:25 AM
https://i.imgur.com/IBZsy2Z.jpg
i have provided evidence that this is false (above). awaiting cloudbets response


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 13, 2020, 01:30:17 AM
Ethically no, but legally yes and the word rob should not be used here because they mentioned it clearly on their ToS so they can freeze and terminate your account without any further questions.Thi is not new, traditional banks are doing this, coinbase done this and lot other crypto related platform terminate your account and release your funds or not is based on their own decision and literally you can't force them to give the money back because you are broken now.

https://i.imgur.com/Zlffu8x.png

I also want to change my tone and apologize to Cloudbet for breaking their TOS and providing false information.

I still would like a response to the new info that is coming to light now that I am bringing all the facts to the table.  I appreciate any understanding and forgiveness from Cloudbet and the community as well for being angry and accusatory when I was the one breaking terms of service.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 14, 2020, 02:57:28 AM
https://i.imgur.com/IBZsy2Z.jpg


this should be easy to resolve
1 punter can post list of deposits
2 cloudbet can post list of withdrawals

either can then dispute any transaction

When all transactions are agreed, then if punter as lost then under cloudbet terms punter is reimbursed
if punter has won then accusation against cloudbet is dismissed. No more going round in circles

Yep, you can see all my deposits on the 4 year old account here and see that i am a big loser, all images can be verified (over 200 deposits totalling almost 5 bitcoins!!)

I am a loser on the site, therefor considering the ruling of point #4 by cloudbet team,  what I deposited that day minus the mis-grade should be reconsidered as owed back to player i am hoping by cloudbet (so the balance of 67 BCH approximately $15,000 minus .26 bitcoins approximately $3,000 at this time)

You can see all of the proof of all 200 deposits here:
https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG

These new facts I am hoping Cloudbet looks at since point 4 was the most important point, pertaining to the total amoutn profitead or lost on the site.  Thank you for any consideration of these facts with proof.

And here are the withdrawals I have come up with:
https://imgur.com/a/tUUxi0e

Here is the master spreadsheet to show my profits and losses totaling quite a bit lost on the 4 year old johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.  This would put me in the negative by a mile on Cloudbet as a long time loyal VIP customer:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 14, 2020, 02:58:50 AM
Hi all,

There has been some discontent in the forums and we would like to take this opportunity to clear a few issues up.

Firstly, please be reminded that Cloudbet does NOT accept any USA players.

USA players are blocked from registering accounts, and are blocked from making bets. If any player from USA attempts to make an account, they see a message saying USA players are prohibited and are not able to sign up.

To reiterate, players from USA are NOT allowed on Cloudbet.

If we have strong reason to believe that a player has deliberately and willingly circumvented our terms of service by connecting from USA (or another restricted territory), we freeze their account while we conduct an investigation, and ask the player to provide documentation on their residency. Please note that this is only when we strongly suspect that a player has connected from USA, ie, there is specific evidence to suggest this.

In most cases, the player is cooperative and provides us with accurate documentation about their account and residency. If they are a USA resident, we close their account permanently, and return their account balance. This has been the case with several vocal users in the forum. Sometimes this can take some time, as every case is slightly different, but is always resolved eventually provided the player furnishes us with accurate information.

If they are connecting from a non-restricted country, we reopen their account and they can resume using their account without limitation.

Please note that in all cases where the player has cooperated, they have received their entire account balance, and had their accounts closed only if they were connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction (or there was a separate unrelated issue). If any forum members in this situation would come forward and confirm receipt of their account balances in full, this would be appreciated.

However - on rare occasions, the player is NOT cooperative and provides us with deliberately falsified or fraudulent information. In these cases, our investigations are significantly more complicated and time consuming.


There is one specific case that has received a lot of attention from the community - Swofty - as the dollar amount is particularly large. Here is our comment on the case:

  • As we have a duty of privacy to all of our players, we are limited in what we can share. The player may have shared some details, but we are not able to share any specifics or personal data.
  • That said, we can share definitively that the player has knowingly and deliberately provided untruthful, falsified and fraudulent information to both Cloudbet and the community.
  • The account holder is NOT the person that he/she states it is, nor are they in the location they state.
  • The player also knowingly and deliberately circumvented our terms of service by connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction.
  • The reason the player has not been paid yet is entirely to do with them circumventing our terms of service and providing falsified and fraudulent information, and nothing to do with our bitcoin liquidity (more on that below).
  • As the customer provided us with definitively falsified information, we suggested they reach out to Curacao Egaming - with whom we hold a licence - for assistance. This is the correct escalation for any player issues.
  • We intend to resolve this issue in a manner completely fair to everyone once we receive truthful and accurate information from the player.
  • It appears as if the player is now cooperating, so we hope to have a resolution to this case soon.

We have been encouraged by the way the community has responded to rally behind the player and help hold Cloudbet accountable, however in this case the player has not been truthful with the community. We encourage the player to share a more accurate story.


Separately, concerns have been raised about Cloudbet's ability to service the player's withdrawal immediately. You neednít be concerned - we hold enough funds to cover all of our player balances several times over, and we would never accept a bet that we could not pay in full immediately. We have been around since 2013 and have always celebrated our largest winners, and paid extremely promptly.

We would like to address this in the way requested by the community -- a signed message from a wallet that holds sufficient funds to cover any liabilities that may be due to this player.

We have signed a message from a wallet holding ~1157 BTC. All outputs spent to this wallet are from wallets that belong to us, and had not moved in over a year (we sent them to a single wallet for the purpose of this exercise) so they are not newly acquired coins.  We would be happy to sign another message from any of the source wallets to prove ownership if required.

Wallet: 16vk7DahVgj4VsfKKdr1pG3QJ9FvzXpdJN
Message: cloudbet.com // no USA players allowed
Signature: HxO5QwkA/UNVePahBUzYgWL4Zz5syTC1H6/LeHICsvW0MYG9Q+PgOjNbzVXgXsLbadzFO2wLlz25nsbaXkeTXo4=

You can verify the above message in your bitcoin client, or by using the web interface here (https://blockexplorer.com/messages/verify)

I hope that addresses the community's immediate concerns. If anybody has any further questions or follow-up, please feel free to contact us directly via our support channels, or post a reply in this thread and we will do our best to address them in a timely manner.

Once more, to reiterate, Cloudbet does NOT accept USA players.

Thanks for your continued support, patience, and diligence.

The Cloudbet Team

https://i.imgur.com/Pl7i9QH.png



here is the similar case, almost the SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH ME, AND THE GUY WAS EVEN UP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg49817125#msg49817125 if cloudbet paid this guy 330btc why cant they pay me?


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 14, 2020, 03:16:39 AM
Hi all,

There has been some discontent in the forums and we would like to take this opportunity to clear a few issues up.

Firstly, please be reminded that Cloudbet does NOT accept any USA players.

USA players are blocked from registering accounts, and are blocked from making bets. If any player from USA attempts to make an account, they see a message saying USA players are prohibited and are not able to sign up.

To reiterate, players from USA are NOT allowed on Cloudbet.

If we have strong reason to believe that a player has deliberately and willingly circumvented our terms of service by connecting from USA (or another restricted territory), we freeze their account while we conduct an investigation, and ask the player to provide documentation on their residency. Please note that this is only when we strongly suspect that a player has connected from USA, ie, there is specific evidence to suggest this.

In most cases, the player is cooperative and provides us with accurate documentation about their account and residency. If they are a USA resident, we close their account permanently, and return their account balance. This has been the case with several vocal users in the forum. Sometimes this can take some time, as every case is slightly different, but is always resolved eventually provided the player furnishes us with accurate information.

If they are connecting from a non-restricted country, we reopen their account and they can resume using their account without limitation.

Please note that in all cases where the player has cooperated, they have received their entire account balance, and had their accounts closed only if they were connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction (or there was a separate unrelated issue). If any forum members in this situation would come forward and confirm receipt of their account balances in full, this would be appreciated.

However - on rare occasions, the player is NOT cooperative and provides us with deliberately falsified or fraudulent information. In these cases, our investigations are significantly more complicated and time consuming.


There is one specific case that has received a lot of attention from the community - Swofty - as the dollar amount is particularly large. Here is our comment on the case:

  • As we have a duty of privacy to all of our players, we are limited in what we can share. The player may have shared some details, but we are not able to share any specifics or personal data.
  • That said, we can share definitively that the player has knowingly and deliberately provided untruthful, falsified and fraudulent information to both Cloudbet and the community.
  • The account holder is NOT the person that he/she states it is, nor are they in the location they state.
  • The player also knowingly and deliberately circumvented our terms of service by connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction.
  • The reason the player has not been paid yet is entirely to do with them circumventing our terms of service and providing falsified and fraudulent information, and nothing to do with our bitcoin liquidity (more on that below).
  • As the customer provided us with definitively falsified information, we suggested they reach out to Curacao Egaming - with whom we hold a licence - for assistance. This is the correct escalation for any player issues.
  • We intend to resolve this issue in a manner completely fair to everyone once we receive truthful and accurate information from the player.
  • It appears as if the player is now cooperating, so we hope to have a resolution to this case soon.

We have been encouraged by the way the community has responded to rally behind the player and help hold Cloudbet accountable, however in this case the player has not been truthful with the community. We encourage the player to share a more accurate story.


Separately, concerns have been raised about Cloudbet's ability to service the player's withdrawal immediately. You neednít be concerned - we hold enough funds to cover all of our player balances several times over, and we would never accept a bet that we could not pay in full immediately. We have been around since 2013 and have always celebrated our largest winners, and paid extremely promptly.

We would like to address this in the way requested by the community -- a signed message from a wallet that holds sufficient funds to cover any liabilities that may be due to this player.

We have signed a message from a wallet holding ~1157 BTC. All outputs spent to this wallet are from wallets that belong to us, and had not moved in over a year (we sent them to a single wallet for the purpose of this exercise) so they are not newly acquired coins.  We would be happy to sign another message from any of the source wallets to prove ownership if required.

Wallet: 16vk7DahVgj4VsfKKdr1pG3QJ9FvzXpdJN
Message: cloudbet.com // no USA players allowed
Signature: HxO5QwkA/UNVePahBUzYgWL4Zz5syTC1H6/LeHICsvW0MYG9Q+PgOjNbzVXgXsLbadzFO2wLlz25nsbaXkeTXo4=

You can verify the above message in your bitcoin client, or by using the web interface here (https://blockexplorer.com/messages/verify)

I hope that addresses the community's immediate concerns. If anybody has any further questions or follow-up, please feel free to contact us directly via our support channels, or post a reply in this thread and we will do our best to address them in a timely manner.

Once more, to reiterate, Cloudbet does NOT accept USA players.

Thanks for your continued support, patience, and diligence.

The Cloudbet Team

https://i.imgur.com/fchU8RQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/CPTig1q.png
here is the similar case, almost the SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH ME, AND THE GUY WAS EVEN UP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg49817125#msg49817125 if cloudbet paid this guy 330btc why cant they pay me?


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Slow death on October 14, 2020, 01:19:12 PM
Confession:
1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/CLwdIBg.jpg

you lied all this time, you managed to get people moved by your story to the point of supporting you while you were wrong from the start. Why the hell do you continue to post accusing cloudbet when you're wrong? did you know since they banned you years ago for using US IP and even with that you went back to using the cloudbet site and now you come here on this forum to try to claim something? you are wrong. accept that and leave the cloudbet alone. this is the best you can do.

I removed the negative feedback from the cloudbet account and opposed the flag and I will apologize to cloudbet on their ANN thread, your behavior was very cruel in this story


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 16, 2020, 02:08:22 PM
Confession:
1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/CLwdIBg.jpg

you lied all this time, you managed to get people moved by your story to the point of supporting you while you were wrong from the start. Why the hell do you continue to post accusing cloudbet when you're wrong? did you know since they banned you years ago for using US IP and even with that you went back to using the cloudbet site and now you come here on this forum to try to claim something? you are wrong. accept that and leave the cloudbet alone. this is the best you can do.

I removed the negative feedback from the cloudbet account and opposed the flag and I will apologize to cloudbet on their ANN thread, your behavior was very cruel in this story

So at the end the OP has crossed the Cloudbet TOS and came out with a fake story to cover it up.
I put a negative feedback on Cloudbet's account some days ago but it seems that according to what OP has stated there is no reason to keep it any longer. I'm removing it now.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: JeromeTash on October 16, 2020, 11:22:22 PM
Confession:
1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/CLwdIBg.jpg

you lied all this time, you managed to get people moved by your story to the point of supporting you while you were wrong from the start. Why the hell do you continue to post accusing cloudbet when you're wrong? did you know since they banned you years ago for using US IP and even with that you went back to using the cloudbet site and now you come here on this forum to try to claim something? you are wrong. accept that and leave the cloudbet alone. this is the best you can do.

I removed the negative feedback from the cloudbet account and opposed the flag and I will apologize to cloudbet on their ANN thread, your behavior was very cruel in this story
When i saw OP's case i knew something was not right, that's why I was personally reluctant to leave Cloudbet any negative feedback or support the flag. He broke the ToS, and he knew it deep down in his heart but still had the guts to come here and create a smear campaign against them.

I see 2 more negs for a couple of DT members, Let me PM them incase they have seen any developments in this thread.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 17, 2020, 12:07:42 AM
I've updated everything with factual provable information and I've cooled it on calling out Cloudbet.  I recognize my faults- however that doesn't change whether or not I should receive the money back that I sent them (less actually)


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 17, 2020, 01:57:35 PM

You always claim the 330btc situation is the same as yours but you cannot be more wrong.

You have been banned years ago and knew you are not allowed to play. But still you made another account and played again, that's just stupid.
The other guy only had his 1 account and then the problem came up.

See the difference?



look, i know the situation is not EXACTLY the same. however, it is similar. and there are points about that case that actually HELP me. the other guy was a lifetime winner, he deposited 150btc i believe and was up 180btc. im a lifetime LOSER. so my case is actually stronger than the other guy on that point. my case is weaker on the point that i already had an account, i fully admit that and have come clear 100% with all the information accurate now. sure, i broke that TOS in addition. however, overall my case is much stronger than the 330btc guy and i cant understand why he got paid and i didnt. does cloudbet have liquidity problems? have they signed a wallet with a large balance in a while? i truly cannot understand and the community should be starting to ask these questions as well


________________________________________

Still no word from Cloudbet.  I've ceased flaming and apologized for presenting mis-leading and false facts about the case.  Now with the updated facts awaiting further review of the case from team Cloudbet and really hoping we can come to a resolution.  I still believe precedent from past cases should play a role given the new facts presented above in the case.  Awaiting word from Cloudbet, thank you for those supporting this case to this point.




Note:  i want to clarify that I've never once been banned from cloudbet.  They asked for documents on the first account, I didn't send them because I don't like sending documents.  2 years later I made another account and here we are.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Slow death on October 17, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
and there are points about that case that actually HELP me.

in fact cloudbet have more than enough points for do not to give you back the money you deposited and not to answer you anymore.

1 - you had been banned in the past for being in a country that their TOS are forbidding, but you insisted on using the site even though you knew it was against TOS.

2 - You handed over false documents and lied that you were in Mexico

3 - you created another bitcointalk account and created a website where you started with a smear campaign

These are strengths that make cloudbet close this case without having to give you your money back.

I'm very sorry to tell you this, but you should do something about this gambling addiction. perhaps the best option at that moment is to forget about this case and never enter a gambling site again because you will only destroy your life. gambling are not guaranteed profits, they should be seen as entertainment and not as a main source of income



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 17, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
and there are points about that case that actually HELP me.

in fact cloudbet have more than enough points for do not to give you back the money you deposited and not to answer you anymore.

1 - you had been banned in the past for being in a country that their TOS are forbidding, but you insisted on using the site even though you knew it was against TOS.

2 - You handed over false documents and lied that you were in Mexico

3 - you created another bitcointalk account and created a website where you started with a smear campaign

These are strengths that make cloudbet close this case without having to give you your money back.

I'm very sorry to tell you this, but you should do something about this gambling addiction. perhaps the best option at that moment is to forget about this case and never enter a gambling site again because you will only destroy your life. gambling are not guaranteed profits, they should be seen as entertainment and not as a main source of income



OK, my account wasn't banned, I just didn't send in the documents on the first account.


#2, I believe Cloudbet should re-look at the case with the facts presented.  I don't feel that they should have the right to wait for me to send them money after accepting my action for many months just to evaporate the balance.


I understand being upset with me lying about my location- but why are you defending Cloudbet over a player who has been wronged?  I hope Cloudbet responds to the new facts of the case soon.  Thank you for your understanding, and I'm sorry if it upsets you- if so just leave the case alone. 


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Slow death on October 18, 2020, 08:32:32 AM
but why are you defending Cloudbet over a player who has been wronged?

if cloudbet give you your money back then more people will do what you did because nobody will respect TOS. it is clear that people living in the USA cannot use the site:

A comment on @efxes's case from Cloudbet.

1. Cloudbet does not accept players from USA. If USA players attempt to create an account, they see a clear message that their jurisdiction is prohibited.

2. If a player is found to be circumventing our automated checks and connects from a prohibited jurisdiction (such as USA), their account is immediately frozen pending an investigation. In this case, the player in question knowingly and deliberately circumvented our location checks, and was discovered and confirmed to be located in USA. They provided both ID and address proof from USA and also repeatedly attempted to login from USA IP addresses. 

That the player is located in the USA is without doubt, and we prohibit all players from USA. That they knowingly and deliberately circumvented our country checks is also without doubt.

if you were really in mexico the story would be different, but you are in the USA and it clearly breaks their TOS and there is no argument that they will refund the money because you were already a person that they banned you for using the site while you are in the USA. you are not a newbie who didn't know that part of TOS. if you were a person who only had 1 account and didnít read the TOS then the community would pressure cloudbet to return your money.

I do not know about the negative balance, it may be that in this part you are right, but just because you broke the TOS is enough for coludbet to be right and not to return your money.

I'm really sorry about your case, it shouldn't be easy to lose money, nobody likes to lose, but in that case you have to accept that the chances of getting your money back are very low (or almost impossible)


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 18, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
I do appreciate your feedback, and I'm not going to argue on all of your points.  

I will say that I was never actually banned from the site.  I just received a request for documents and ceased to play on the site two years prior to this happening.  Then I stupidly made a new account two years later instead of clearing that issue up first.

Sure people shouldn't play from the USA.  When someone sends a large amount of money to a site, and the site accepts your action for months on end knowing you are a USA player, then when you send them a large amount they decide not only to not allow your bets all of a sudden to be valid, but not even to return what you sent them due to some backhanded profit/loss argument.   This is when I'd hope Cloudbet could re-look at the case and see that I was actually a long-time losing player on the site- not some sharp winning player making many different accounts trying to do something shady.  It was a clear error on my part- I live a pretty clean and honest life and this was a clear mis-step and was innocent in nature, not meant to defraud anyone or do any harm to anyone. I had been losing for 11 weeks until the 12th week when I finally won something.

I'm not going to argue further concerning these since it's like beating a dead horse and buries the important posts and new facts I have laid out above.  I also take full responsibility for these mistakes and apologize to Cloudbet for severely overreacting and overreaching in my antics after them saying privately and publicly they wouldn't hear anything more and were closing the case about my deposits.

To you, and those reading- I mostly wanted to clarify that I have never been banned from this site, not once.  I am a losing player on the site for 4 years now.  I am awaiting Cloudbet's updates on the main thread regarding the new facts presented and hoping that we can come to a resolution soon so we can all move on from this horrible debacle that I take full responsibility for putting myself in- though I do believe that given the facts presented and the precedent of previous cases that these work in my favor to receive the account balance back minus the mis-grade (67 BCH minus .26 btc mis-grade).  The reason Cloudbet gave that they wouldn't return my deposits is that I was a winning player on the site- however that is stone-cold false.  I am a big losing player on the site, and a long time loyal loser.  So I am waiting for them to re-look at the facts presented.

I appreciate any support in receiving my deposits back and having Cloudbet re-look at this case given that I have provided proof and evidence and am stating provable facts at this point.  I was nothing but a loyal customer, I had a VIP agent, and I am not some genius bettor.  I lost a lot of money on the site previously, and I was hooked and it was my mistake to give it one last go.  I just want what I sent the site that day (or the balance which is less).  I hope I have your support in this- if I don't I am sorry but I have to await word from Cloudbet's reviews of the points laid out above with the new facts presented and proof of past deposits and withdrawals.  No harm was meant by me- I simply loved the site.


I believe given the facts that I am a losing player on the site and the precedent of past cases, they can re-look at the case and the facts presented and give a new ruling and I am awaiting this and have ceased to flame and apologized profusely to the community and Cloudbet and come clean on my own accord.  Again, I have never been banned from Cloudbet in my life, and I wouldn't have come back if I were.

Now I have presented the true hard facts, on my own accord not prodded by anyone except my own inability to lie to myself and others.  I am an honest individual, no intent to defraud anyone- with a habit of betting on Cloudbet that was picked up a few years prior.  I'm also a losing player on their site, and still would be should they award me the deposits I sent them that day and requested back.

I appreciate your time and your respectful post- however I do have to respectfully disagree.  Again, I am awaiting further word about the case from Cloudbet and hoping we can come to a resolution.  I also would appreciate any community support that you can throw my way in this case.  If not, no problem.  I am sitting tight awaiting word from Cloudbet after they look over the new facts presented.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: norwegian13 on October 18, 2020, 09:08:39 AM
Yeah they really do confiscate money they froze some of mine too.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Maasdamer on October 18, 2020, 12:45:09 PM
I do appreciate your feedback, and I'm not going to argue on all of your points.  

I will say that I was never actually banned from the site.  I just received a request for documents and ceased to play on the site two years prior to this happening.  Then I stupidly made a new account two years later instead of clearing that issue up first.

Sure people shouldn't play from the USA.  When someone sends a large amount of money to a site, and the site accepts your action for months on end knowing you are a USA player, then when you send them a large amount they decide not only to not allow your bets all of a sudden to be valid, but not even to return what you sent them due to some backhanded profit/loss argument.   This is when I'd hope Cloudbet could re-look at the case and see that I was actually a long-time losing player on the site- not some sharp winning player making many different accounts trying to do something shady.  It was a clear error on my part- I live a pretty clean and honest life and this was a clear mis-step and was innocent in nature, not meant to defraud anyone or do any harm to anyone. I had been losing for 11 weeks until the 12th week when I finally won something.

I'm not going to argue further concerning these since it's like beating a dead horse and buries the important posts and new facts I have laid out above.  I also take full responsibility for these mistakes and apologize to Cloudbet for severely overreacting and overreaching in my antics after them saying privately and publicly they wouldn't hear anything more and were closing the case about my deposits.

To you, and those reading- I mostly wanted to clarify that I have never been banned from this site, not once.  I am a losing player on the site for 4 years now.  I am awaiting Cloudbet's updates on the main thread regarding the new facts presented and hoping that we can come to a resolution soon so we can all move on from this horrible debacle that I take full responsibility for putting myself in- though I do believe that given the facts presented and the precedent of previous cases that these work in my favor to receive the account balance back minus the mis-grade (67 BCH minus .26 btc mis-grade).  The reason Cloudbet gave that they wouldn't return my deposits is that I was a winning player on the site- however that is stone-cold false.  I am a big losing player on the site, and a long time loyal loser.  So I am waiting for them to re-look at the facts presented.

I appreciate any support in receiving my deposits back and having Cloudbet re-look at this case given that I have provided proof and evidence and am stating provable facts at this point.  I was nothing but a loyal customer, I had a VIP agent, and I am not some genius bettor.  I lost a lot of money on the site previously, and I was hooked and it was my mistake to give it one last go.  I just want what I sent the site that day (or the balance which is less).  I hope I have your support in this- if I don't I am sorry but I have to await word from Cloudbet's reviews of the points laid out above with the new facts presented and proof of past deposits and withdrawals.  No harm was meant by me- I simply loved the site.


I believe given the facts that I am a losing player on the site and the precedent of past cases, they can re-look at the case and the facts presented and give a new ruling and I am awaiting this and have ceased to flame and apologized profusely to the community and Cloudbet and come clean on my own accord.  Again, I have never been banned from Cloudbet in my life, and I wouldn't have come back if I were.

Now I have presented the true hard facts, on my own accord not prodded by anyone except my own inability to lie to myself and others.  I am an honest individual, no intent to defraud anyone- with a habit of betting on Cloudbet that was picked up a few years prior.  I'm also a losing player on their site, and still would be should they award me the deposits I sent them that day and requested back.

I appreciate your time and your respectful post- however I do have to respectfully disagree.  Again, I am awaiting further word about the case from Cloudbet and hoping we can come to a resolution.  I also would appreciate any community support that you can throw my way in this case.  If not, no problem.  I am sitting tight awaiting word from Cloudbet after they look over the new facts presented.

You say you havent been banned but you admit having made a new account.
So not only do you violate the rules because by playing from a banned country, you also made multiple accounts, another violation of the rules.
Oh and you sent wrong documents of a different person for KYC. And you lied here about the story.

And you still believe you have any right to get something back?
Seriously?


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 18, 2020, 01:34:49 PM
Hello, usually I will not respond to posts of this nature but I need to clarify for anyone reading:

I sent in my personal documents of myself, no fake document. 

Still awaiting word from Cloudbet to hear further review of case given new facts about my total losses and deposits on site to receive back the deposits of 67 BCH minus .26 bitcoin mis-grade that day.

I appreciate any support you guys can throw my way.  Thank you!


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Maasdamer on October 18, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Hello, usually I will not respond to posts of this nature but I need to clarify for anyone reading:

I sent in my personal documents of myself, no fake document. 

Still awaiting word from Cloudbet to hear further review of case given new facts about my total losses and deposits on site to receive back the deposits of 67 BCH minus .26 bitcoin mis-grade that day.

I appreciate any support you guys can throw my way.  Thank you!

Ok sorry about the document thing, wrong guy.
But what about the multiaccounting?


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 18, 2020, 01:49:33 PM
The accounts were two years apart.  The first account was 4 years old, and the 2nd account I opened after taking off 2 years from the site with no activity, I'm not even sure I remembered my old email.  I really feel stupid about that one, and also the USA thing.  I was hooked on the site and I lost on the account for 11 weeks, until I started winning then they confiscated a big series of deposits/cashout and claimed I won on the account so they can keep my deposit/what I sent them.

That is the update on the situation.  I am awaiting word on Cloudbet main thread on update after reviewing the new facts presented in the case about my total win/loss showing I actually didn't win on their site, in fact I lost a lot more than I won- so therefor hoping precedent from past cases can play a roll in their new decision.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Maasdamer on October 18, 2020, 02:45:02 PM
The accounts were two years apart.  The first account was 4 years old, and the 2nd account I opened after taking off 2 years from the site with no activity, I'm not even sure I remembered my old email.  I really feel stupid about that one, and also the USA thing.  I was hooked on the site and I lost on the account for 11 weeks, until I started winning then they confiscated a big series of deposits/cashout and claimed I won on the account so they can keep my deposit/what I sent them.

That is the update on the situation.  I am awaiting word on Cloudbet main thread on update after reviewing the new facts presented in the case about my total win/loss showing I actually didn't win on their site, in fact I lost a lot more than I won- so therefor hoping precedent from past cases can play a roll in their new decision.


Nobody needs an update. You are spamming the whole forum with it.
They wont pay you because you dont deserve it.
You violated their terms, 3 times. First playing although banned country with 1st account. Second is doing it again and 3rd is multi accounting.

Now you say the accounts were 2 years apart, SO WHAT??? Is that your excuse?

You should face reality instead of lying to yoursel and this community.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: JeromeTash on October 18, 2020, 10:15:37 PM
The accounts were two years apart.  The first account was 4 years old, and the 2nd account I opened after taking off 2 years from the site with no activity, I'm not even sure I remembered my old email.  I really feel stupid about that one, and also the USA thing.  I was hooked on the site and I lost on the account for 11 weeks, until I started winning then they confiscated a big series of deposits/cashout and claimed I won on the account so they can keep my deposit/what I sent them.

That is the update on the situation.  I am awaiting word on Cloudbet main thread on update after reviewing the new facts presented in the case about my total win/loss showing I actually didn't win on their site, in fact I lost a lot more than I won- so therefor hoping precedent from past cases can play a roll in their new decision.
I doubt if anybody else is going to support you on this case given that what you first presented was false information. That alone is an untrustworthy move. In fact, you are lucky that your profile hasn't been tagged yet. You made a fool out of most members here.

The accounts being 4 years apart still doesn't change the fact that you broke their Terms of Service. They still remain multiple accounts owned by you. This is a closed case. You are wasting your time expecting any form of compensation from cloudbet because I can assure you, it won't happen.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 19, 2020, 04:05:53 AM
I am further awaiting any updates on the case from team Cloudbet.  I will keep the thread updated, however I have not received any response from Curacao gaming or Cloudbet in weeks, especially after presenting the updated facts and coming forth under my own accord to the community with provable facts with evidence, as some is listed above and will update as more info comes out.  No problem, I understand these things take time and the delay is my fault due to presenting mis-leading facts and falsities, and blaming others for my own faults.


Total account balance on the day was around $25,000 in bitcoin cash sent in the 24 hour period, and a $15,000 (67 BCH) cashout minus the $3,000 (.26 bitcoin) mis-grade which shouldn't be as hard as it has been to figure out.  


Will keep the community updated and appreciate your continued support.


I have emailed cloudbet and curacao gaming the following statements:
Haven't gotten an email back except canned response, but I am sending this statement from a previous case (the 330btc case I believe) about being honest, co-operating, and doing whatever they need me to do in order to co-operate.

Whatever I can do to co-operate from this point forward please let me know.  I apologize for any blaming and overreactions and overreaching previously.  I want to do what it takes to resolve this and co-operate fully with Curacao and Cloudbet.  Thank you.


I also included this with all of the notations from the important points about cooperation and precedent of past cases with account balances (they returned the winning balance and deposit of the past cases with co-operation)
https://i.imgur.com/9DbOrZV.png

Other than that I am awaiting any word from Cloudbet on the updated facts and appreciate that these things take time to sort through, though I am confident we can come to a resolution with proper communication and have my confidence in Cloudbet especially given the past resolutions to cases after some back and forth with getting the facts right and co-operation.  

Cloudbet:I am willing to cooperate fully in order to get this resolved and be 100% honest and forthright as I haven't been provably honest previously- and will do what it takes to co-operate and provide an accurate story.  I appreciate your understanding and accepting any apologies for mis-behavior in the process of trying to get this resolved.  I am willing to co-operate in whatever way you see fit in alignment with Curacao gaming as well.  Thank you.[/b][/font][/size]

Also note:  any delay is not the fault of Cloudbet's, but my own for providing misleading facts about the case.  I understand these things take time and when I wasn't co-operating by providing mis-leading facts this can severely delay any expediated resolution to a case such as this.  Thank you for taking the time to review the updated facts of the case.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Maasdamer on October 19, 2020, 07:44:46 AM
This guy just doesnt get it.

Not only are you playing from america. Maybe for this you could have been refunded as they stated.
Just because maybe the player did not know he wasnt allowed to play.

But you also multiaccount on cb and you knew you violate the terms, maybe not the first but definitly later when you regged the 2nd time. But I am sure you knew it the first time as well and because of that you did not send the documents.

Now you try to kiss cb's ass, its so poor to see that.

Just give up already, you have spammed this forum enough.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 19, 2020, 02:15:15 PM
According to the official statement of cloudbet, you have already withdraw more than what you have deposited.

I don't know whom to trust but since you have lied a couple of times already, you manage to destroy your reputation. On the other hand CloudBet previously had other cases that eventually were resolved and i have removed my negative feedback. I can say that they did a great job getting back their reputation and i tend to believe them a bit more than you.

Take years to build a good reputation but it take seconds to destroy it.

Sorry for your loss but it was your responsibility to make the correct decisions and you also have to deal with the consequences of the wrong ones.



'~
Fellow members - we know the player is creating a lot of noise about this case, and we treat every claim of this nature seriously, but in this situation, the player knowingly tried to circumvent our rules, was caught, has already withdrawn more than their deposit, and is providing false information in public. We ask for the community's support to dismiss these false claims by the player.

Thanks

Team Cloudbet


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 19, 2020, 02:30:17 PM
Hi baby, I didn't provide them all the facts in the beginning and so they need to review the correct information.  The facts are that:  my deposits are not more than my withdrawals.  I have lost over 3 bitcoins on the site.  

Appreciate the support, I have provided clear evidence of this above (I have provided all emails with transaction hashes for deposits to the site as well as withdrawals and asking for Cloudbet to verify this information and release any information needed).  The precedent is in the past they pay out the balance, not sure why this time was different.  I think there was confusion with the mis-graded wager which seems to be a mis-understanding.

It is my fault for the delay, however I have confidence Cloudbet and Curacao and I will come to a resolution, though I don't know how long it will take for them to sort through the facts.  As well, review their statement from a previous case above.  Not sure why things have changed since then, perhaps they have liquidity issues, though I don't know.  I am co-operating fully and hope the community continues to ask questions like does Cloudbet actually have money to pay out big wins, or do they need to evaporate balances of accounts crossing the lines of TOS.

You should be asking these questions rather than if I am lying, and regardless please if you want to further comment on the case please read all of the facts from the case.  Other than that I can't continue to be reduntant by explaining the concerns that should be raised by the community in this case- and the fact that Cloudbet is dismissing tyranically some of the objections to the evaporation of account balances.


I also don't understand why you are quoting the post you quoted, when there is a post above yours with more relevant and up-to-date facts that are a precedent in previous cases solved and resolved by Cloudbet as you suggested.  In that case they paid out winning balance to a USA account that lied about their location.  Please stay updated or don't continue to post on the case, it becomes reduntant and buries the important facts that need to be addressed by Cloudbet.  Thank you.

Should you need any more information about the case before next time please feel free to PM me as before.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 19, 2020, 07:39:22 PM
This guy just doesnt get it.

Not only are you playing from america. Maybe for this you could have been refunded as they stated.
Just because maybe the player did not know he wasnt allowed to play.

But you also multiaccount on cb and you knew you violate the terms, maybe not the first but definitly later when you regged the 2nd time. But I am sure you knew it the first time as well and because of that you did not send the documents.

Now you try to kiss cb's ass, its so poor to see that.

Just give up already, you have spammed this forum enough.

Exactly. Spamming the forum constantly trying to malign Cloudbet and make up a story non stop. I think this forum has had enough of this psychopathic liar. No? Just read through the posts.

Now his angle is that he is down lifetime so he should get paid? At first he had one account. Then he had many accounts. Then he didn't know if he had more than 1 account in the past. Now he's sure of exactly what he's down lifetime! He realizes this issue has NOTHING to do with whether or not he's up or down, but the fact he's many times over tried to manipulate the situation, and he knew in advance not to mess around.

If things were straightforward and you made a bet that needed to be honored, you'd get paid. But thats not what happened. You built a twisted web of lies and deceit and there's no way Cloudbet should or would trust you or deal with you, and it's not their job at this point to figure out what the truth or lie is. How could they figure it out anyway.

No one should have to listen to your nonsense anymore.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: pilosopotasyo on October 19, 2020, 11:44:35 PM
This guy just doesnt get it.

Not only are you playing from america. Maybe for this you could have been refunded as they stated.
Just because maybe the player did not know he wasnt allowed to play.

But you also multiaccount on cb and you knew you violate the terms, maybe not the first but definitly later when you regged the 2nd time. But I am sure you knew it the first time as well and because of that you did not send the documents.

Now you try to kiss cb's ass, its so poor to see that.

Just give up already, you have spammed this forum enough.

Exactly. Spamming the forum constantly trying to malign Cloudbet and make up a story non stop. I think this forum has had enough of this psychopathic liar. No? Just read through the posts.

I have not seen anything like this spamming the two section of the forum the gambling section and the scam section he keeps posting the same thing on both section this guy is out of control I don't know when he will stop spamming this forum I used to pity the guy but now he set up bad example for other members.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Maasdamer on October 20, 2020, 05:38:39 AM
This guy just has some serious issues.

He believes his own lies and wont see the truth.

Always says its same story like the other guy with the 330 btc. But its totally different.

I sincerely hope this guy get 0$, just for his lies and dillusional behaviour.
Normally I am never on the books and always on the player's side but this time I cant.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 20, 2020, 01:49:29 PM
https://i.imgur.com/jpL3K0r.png

What is with this sudden policy change after such a sincere post by Cloudbet two years ago in a previous case (one of many).  This is alarming to say the least and should be cause for community concern about their ability to pay out large wins ($15,000 is not a large win by the way, and was also less than my deposit which is even MORE alarming) and liquidity issues.  It has been two years since they have shown proof of funds.

https://i.imgur.com/S6abvFY.png

https://i.imgur.com/hZWTPn5.png


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Maasdamer on October 20, 2020, 02:25:47 PM

Keep lying to yourself.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 20, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
lol @ efxes taking what Cloudbet said completely out of context. They didn't say that you can have multiple accounts, circumvent their policies, send in false documents, and then they will work with you.

What they said is actually the complete opposite. If you are forthright with them and merely got caught playing from the USA the first time, and you were cooperative, then they will work things out with you. You did none of that. You cannot now after having not done it, and abused the situation, decide you now want to. Not that it matters anyways because you circumvented anyways. Certainly there are circumstances where a player is caught playing from the USA where things CANNOT be worked out. This is one of these cases.

Go away liar.



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 21, 2020, 01:58:25 PM
Hello Mods, this user RedApples made an account here just solely for the purpose of harassing and bullying a user and victim (myself).  Is there anything that can be done about this?  I have strong reason to believe it is Cloudbet themselves taking all of their anger and frustration out on me without having to deal with regulation or oversight from their licensors and regulators.  They are an anonymous cryptocurrency book believing they can extort documents from people and get away with anything.


https://i.imgur.com/QNcBmXl.png

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5112310.0


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 21, 2020, 02:22:16 PM
https://i.imgur.com/BPZY2GG.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233410.0

March of this year.  I am going to start compiling all of the accusations i can find on the internet and put them on a central site.  They can't keep doing this to people (including me).  Someone has to take a stand for them who can write proper English, most of these people scammed have no voice because the community that calls out things like this is in English (and Cloudbet themselves seem to have massive numbers of shill accounts built just to protect their scamming ways)


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 21, 2020, 05:05:14 PM
de-escalating until further word about the case


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 21, 2020, 05:51:36 PM
de-escalating until further word from cloudbet


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 22, 2020, 12:55:04 AM
Hello Mods, this user RedApples made an account here just solely for the purpose of harassing and bullying a user and victim (myself).  Is there anything that can be done about this?  I have strong reason to believe it is Cloudbet themselves taking all of their anger and frustration out on me without having to deal with regulation or oversight from their licensors and regulators.  They are an anonymous cryptocurrency book believing they can extort documents from people and get away with anything.


https://i.imgur.com/QNcBmXl.png

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5112310.0

Yeah right. Just another lie. Amidst your scam attempt you were trying to throw anyone and everyone under the bus. You admitted to this. I was helping you on another site, and when it all went to flames over there, you posted about me here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55347520#msg55347520

I came from the other site, and made an account, due to the nature of your lies and attempt to extort Cloudbet. It's kinda silly for you to insinuate that I 'made an account here for the sole purpose of harassing and bullying a user and victim', when you were tarnishing my name before I even got here. Mind you, you were attempting to dox me for pointing out the fact that you were trying to extort Cloudbet, something you wound up in the end admitting to. To portray yourself as a victim, and not Cloudbet or myself given what you've done is incredible.

The post above is a decent starting point for anyone to see what you were doing. You've been an unfair actor this entire time. You shouldn't be allowed on any site to further attempt to discredit people. Your accusations are all completely fabricated.

To be very clear, I made an account here solely to portray the truth. A truth for which many (all?) users removed their support of your flag and in turn stated what you did and are doing to users is/was reprehensible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55378202#msg55378202
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55354524#msg55354524
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55357853#msg55357853


besides he is breaking the forum rules he also lied: " Confession (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277995.msg55354003#msg55354003) (archive (https://archive.vn/SNQgj)) " and has no reason to continue with this claim because he is wrong, @cloudbet, I want to apologize for leaving negative feedback and supporting the flag in this case of user @efxes, clearly he lied, broke your TOS and as if that weren't enough he was able to create another account: @cloudbetscamsDOTCOM and created the website cloudbetscams.com to destroy the reputation of cloudbet even though he was wrong. these are very regrettable and shameful things and I do not believe that I defended this guy in this thread. I feel ashamed

I am extremely disappointed after reading this confession.

Regardless of what the truth actually is - you seem to have lied multiple times and now cannot be trusted at all.

I have removed my support of the flag against Cloudbet and have removed my negative trust for them too because I am no longer interested in this drama.

I even sent them a PM yesterday asking for them to release the funds as it was affecting your mental well-being but since all that was exaggerated I will not be participating in your issue again:


 


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 24, 2020, 04:04:34 AM
The truth is that the support was reversed because I came clean on my own accord to confess that I lied about VPN'ing in from the states.

I do apologize to you, RedApples if I offended you in any way.  Or to Cloudbet, or to the community. 

The facts are that I VPN'd in from the USA and then I lied about doing that after sending about $25,000 in bitcoin cash and attempting to retrieve $15,000 of that bitcoin cash. 

Cloudbet is now evaporating that balance.

I can't take the personal attacks, and I will wait for any word from Cloudbet on the new facts presented in the case.  Until then I am awaiting word.  I appreciate any sympathy for the case that anyone may have.  But I can't give RedApples the credit for the reversal in negative feedbacks.  And besides, what does that matter when Cloudbet's feedback already looks like this?

https://i.imgur.com/5LtPv6w.png
https://i.imgur.com/dHxFfB1.png


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 24, 2020, 04:21:30 AM
Apology not accepted. I just had to spend the night defending against all of your lies and smears on SportsbookReview.

You will not stop attacking others. You were just on SBR accusing posters as being owners of Cloudbet:
For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others.

You are a disingenuous liar. Jumping from site to site after you are exposed on one, and then start with a misleading story on the other.

Proof is here:
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 24, 2020, 04:26:40 AM
I hold no ill will, and seriously do apologize if I overstepped bounds.

Listen, I will be very happy moving on with my life.  I'm for the most part done updating the thread.  I wish you the very best in your ventures, I don't know why you took such a keen interest in my case- but I will put no more mental energy into this crap. 

I will make amends in whatever way you would like.  Other than that, I can't control how other people feel, and I do wish you well.  I'm sorry if I left a bad impression in my heated posts.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 24, 2020, 04:32:14 AM
I hold no ill will, and seriously do apologize if I overstepped bounds.

Listen, I will be very happy moving on with my life.  I'm for the most part done updating the thread.  I wish you the very best in your ventures, I don't know why you took such a keen interest in my case- but I will put no more mental energy into this crap.  

I will make amends in whatever way you would like.  Other than that, I can't control how other people feel, and I do wish you well.  I'm sorry if I left a bad impression in my heated posts.

Understand this very clearly, and remember it, lest you come to try to discredit me in the future and act like you don't recognize it by now. I was an honest poster on a site (SBR). You came to ask for help from me, and the community at large. I spent time attempting to help you. I offered you advice. In turn, since you were in the middle of lying to get paid, you threw me under the bus. You attempted to discredit me, and smear me. You've done that all the way up to today. It hasn't stopped. You've done it across many sites. You've said things that are clearly not true, and lied continuously. You forced me to defend myself. I do not want to see you succeed in getting away with what you've done to me, or Cloudbet. That isn't what I view as being honest, or having any integrity at all.

You know all of these things to be 100% true and accurate. I've posted all of the details to verify all of these things. You can stop pretending that you don't understand, and that things are something they are not. You were literally smearing me mere minutes ago on SBR as linked above, yet here you try to act completely different. It's not right. This is like the 5th time we've been down this circle of you aggressively attacking, then playing some hopeless confused victim, then attempting to stir things up again by aggressively attacking. Please let this be the last one. The proof is already out there. Everyone knows. It's over.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 24, 2020, 04:34:28 AM
I hold no ill will, and seriously do apologize if I overstepped bounds.

Listen, I will be very happy moving on with my life.  I'm for the most part done updating the thread.  I wish you the very best in your ventures, I don't know why you took such a keen interest in my case- but I will put no more mental energy into this crap. 

I will make amends in whatever way you would like.  Other than that, I can't control how other people feel, and I do wish you well.  I'm sorry if I left a bad impression in my heated posts.

Understand this very clearly, and remember it, lest you come to try to discredit me in the future and act like you don't recognize it by now. I was an honest poster on a site (SBR). You came to ask for help from me, and the community at large. I spent time attempting to help you. I offered you advice. In turn, since you were in the middle of lying to get paid, you threw me under the bus. You attempted to discredit me, and smear me. You've done that all the way up to today. It hasn't stopped. You've done it across many sites. You've said things that are clearly not true, and lied continuously. You forced me to defend myself. I do not want to see you succeed in getting away with what you've done to me, or Cloudbet. That isn't what I view as being honest, or having any integrity at all.

You know all of these things to be 100% true and accurate.

OK man, so how do we please come to a peaceful resolution.  I just want to move on with my life.  It's a nightmare.  I don't want to think about getting this $15,000 taken any more.  I don't ever want to think about the words Cloud bet any more either.  I don't even want to think about the word bet. 

How can we just move on man.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 24, 2020, 04:38:09 AM
I hold no ill will, and seriously do apologize if I overstepped bounds.

Listen, I will be very happy moving on with my life.  I'm for the most part done updating the thread.  I wish you the very best in your ventures, I don't know why you took such a keen interest in my case- but I will put no more mental energy into this crap. 

I will make amends in whatever way you would like.  Other than that, I can't control how other people feel, and I do wish you well.  I'm sorry if I left a bad impression in my heated posts.

Understand this very clearly, and remember it, lest you come to try to discredit me in the future and act like you don't recognize it by now. I was an honest poster on a site (SBR). You came to ask for help from me, and the community at large. I spent time attempting to help you. I offered you advice. In turn, since you were in the middle of lying to get paid, you threw me under the bus. You attempted to discredit me, and smear me. You've done that all the way up to today. It hasn't stopped. You've done it across many sites. You've said things that are clearly not true, and lied continuously. You forced me to defend myself. I do not want to see you succeed in getting away with what you've done to me, or Cloudbet. That isn't what I view as being honest, or having any integrity at all.

You know all of these things to be 100% true and accurate.

OK man, so how do we please come to a peaceful resolution.  I just want to move on with my life.  It's a nightmare.  I don't want to think about getting this $15,000 taken any more.  I don't ever want to think about the words Cloud bet any more either.  I don't even want to think about the word bet. 

How can we just move on man.

Sounds great, just stop posting on the topic. Let's not see you quote this post somewhere else to say that I'm Cloudbet trying to silence you. I'm going to take your post here as an honest desire to end things. I don't want to be forced to have to continue to defend myself and Cloudbet over what you've done. This is the only time I will accept an offer to compromise and end things.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 24, 2020, 04:42:11 AM
We may not agree on a lot of things about the case.  My silence pending official word from Cloudbet or private emailing with Cloudbet or accepting a monetary settlement from Cloudbet is not out of the question for me.

However I agree I cannot nor deserve to torture myself with taking the heat of these posts after outing myself because of my inability to keep a secret or be dishonest. 

I just can't take the heat nor do I deserve this for myself.  We disagree on a lot of things- but I appreciate you offering your hand to try and resolve our disagreements and I appreciate it more than you know.  It is very fair.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 24, 2020, 04:51:23 AM
Please answer these questions with question marks directly.

When you say you just want to move on with your life and this to come to an end, etc, what do you mean?

Because you can stop at any time, but you've continued to post.

Do you not recognize that you've continued to smear me since I first tried to help you and sniffed out the lies in your story?

Do you think its okay that you have knowingly made up stories about me and continued to smear me on many sites?

Do you admit that you completely fabricated that I own Cloudbet, as well as others? And that you were just merely making things up to discredit me in an effort to help your story?

I'm more than happy to see you try to get your money back in an honest way. But until you are very clear on what you've been dishonest about, if you continue to try to get paid while still having built a full stack of lies it's not gonna go over well. I personally don't feel good when I read any of your posts, knowing where you are coming from, and what you've done to myself as well as others.

I'm baffled at how you don't think you deserve the heat that you've gotten.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 24, 2020, 04:55:41 AM
Objection, argumentative.

Man, let's move on.  Okay?  I will not post any more, you will not hunt me down and kill my family.  Deal?  You're borderline stalking me on the internet right now.

Seriously man, I need to get a truce from you.  I don't want to wake up tomorrow and even think about this case.  Cloudbet is a shady company.  End of story.  I'm done posting about it until I get an official word from them.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on October 24, 2020, 04:59:20 AM
Objection, argumentative.

Man, let's move on.  Okay?  I will not post any more, you will not hunt me down and kill my family.  Deal?  You're borderline stalking me on the internet right now.

Seriously man, I need to get a truce from you.  I don't want to wake up tomorrow and even think about this case.  Cloudbet is a shady company.  End of story.  I'm done posting about it until I get an official word from them.

No, it's not okay. If you cannot answer very simple fair questions then I have nothing to offer you. You act like you don't know why I'm still continuing. Yet you won't be honest. I'm trying to deal with you on a human level to try to get you to come clean of the accusations you've made against me but you won't even do that. I have nothing left to offer you. It's all always a ruse with you to try to get paid.

I will clearly end with this again, and hold firm to this:

Apology not accepted. I just had to spend the night defending against all of your lies and smears on SportsbookReview.

You will not stop attacking others. You were just on SBR accusing posters as being owners of Cloudbet:
"For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others."

You are a disingenuous liar. Jumping from site to site after you are exposed on one, and then start with a misleading story on the other.

Proof is here:
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 24, 2020, 05:02:26 AM
how can we end this amicably please.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on October 24, 2020, 05:11:37 AM
OK man I will answer all of your questions.  Please.  I don't want any beef, please.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: smyslov on October 24, 2020, 12:38:35 PM
how can we end this amicably please.

Can you resolve this with between you two on telegram you two are on a long drama I think it's better that you continue this on Skype or better on telegram and just post here what you two agreed if you want to end this or plan to take action between each other, there are some discussion that should be between you two, so goodluck.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: msarro on October 24, 2020, 03:17:59 PM
Why do i have the feeling that redappales is the alt account from Cloudbet? it is to obvious. if you do not own the casino, there is really no reason to defend them so hard.
posting sometimes an argument is understandable, but redapples is obsessed and that is only done when you have a role in the situation.
by the way, i think efxes was maybe not honest about everything in the situation, but most important for me is that cloudbet should have taken better measures to avoid what now happened.
cloudbet wants to be a professional organization, then act professional and solve it professional.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Maasdamer on October 24, 2020, 09:49:41 PM
Why do i have the feeling that redappales is the alt account from Cloudbet? it is to obvious. if you do not own the casino, there is really no reason to defend them so hard.
posting sometimes an argument is understandable, but redapples is obsessed and that is only done when you have a role in the situation.
by the way, i think efxes was maybe not honest about everything in the situation, but most important for me is that cloudbet should have taken better measures to avoid what now happened.
cloudbet wants to be a professional organization, then act professional and solve it professional.

There is nothing to solve here.
The guy violated several terms ( no americnas allowed, multiaccounting ) and now he complains and cries about it. And he lied to cb and the community here as well as on other websites.
He is just a desperate degen.

I still hope he will get back max 1$, thats all he deserves for this behaviour.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 04, 2020, 12:59:14 PM
https://i.imgur.com/jpL3K0r.png

What is with this sudden policy change after such a sincere post by Cloudbet two years ago in a previous case (one of many).  This is alarming to say the least and should be cause for community concern about their ability to pay out large wins ($15,000 is not a large win by the way, and was also less than my deposit which is even MORE alarming) and liquidity issues.  It has been two years since they have shown proof of funds.

https://i.imgur.com/S6abvFY.png

https://i.imgur.com/hZWTPn5.png

i want to gently ask cloudbet to please respond it's been 6 weeks and no word about a payment, partial payment, anything.  They know I am under duress and have given all the facts moving forward, please take a look at the case cloudbet. 


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: BitcoinAccepted on November 04, 2020, 02:05:50 PM
I'm afraid it's never going to be resolved this way. It might be useful if we start looking at the figures in concrete terms.

@efxes
How much have you deposited in total on Cloudbet and how much have you withdrawn in total?


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 05, 2020, 01:32:22 AM
Click this post to see the drawn out figures breakdown
https://i.imgur.com/lyXCrLQ.png

The total means I am down still over 2 bitcoins even if I were paid out (negative 2 bitcoins) so these are the figures. 
I realize above is the long drawn out post, it could be much more concise, but basically:
I am down about 2 bitcoins on the site and all the factual information is above, with provable pictures on imgur of the deposits and withdrawals on the site!


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Maasdamer on November 05, 2020, 02:48:19 AM
Click this post to see the drawn out figures breakdown
https://i.imgur.com/lyXCrLQ.png

The total means I am down still over 2 bitcoins even if I were paid out (negative 2 bitcoins) so these are the figures. 
I realize above is the long drawn out post, it could be much more concise, but basically:
I am down about 2 bitcoins on the site and all the factual information is above, with provable pictures on imgur of the deposits and withdrawals on the site!

You still dont get it right.
The refund thing would be for the location restriction.
You had multiple accounts, so yet another rule you violated.

Also, they suspended your latest account with the funds. So why are you talking about the other old account??
Nobody cares about that account, only you.



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Arcas on November 05, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
It is maybe complicated, but Cloudbet scammed many people for enormous amounts. I would say: just pay this customer the last deposit back and case closed.
The fact that he made some other accounts is not good and complicated, but  that is not a reason to confiscate the money. They can return it easily. I think that they are not even allowed to take it.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 05, 2020, 07:42:18 PM
It is maybe complicated, but Cloudbet scammed many people for enormous amounts. I would say: just pay this customer the last deposit back and case closed.
The fact that he made some other accounts is not good and complicated, but  that is not a reason to confiscate the money. They can return it easily. I think that they are not even allowed to take it.

At this point I indeed would take a partial payment and I agree I did some stupid things. I appreciate the input. Thank you. I hope that cloudbet will respond again one day.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: gadado on November 07, 2020, 07:56:27 PM
I think it adds little to this topic, but I also see that the site https://game-protect.com/ is a partner of Cloudbet. Or at least have an affiliate program. That can never be right.
The status of user Game-protect is not really something to write home about and it looks like it is also banned on this forum. Anyone who works with Game-Protect.. well, what can we say about that?


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Arcas on November 09, 2020, 12:22:59 PM
It is maybe complicated, but Cloudbet scammed many people for enormous amounts. I would say: just pay this customer the last deposit back and case closed.
The fact that he made some other accounts is not good and complicated, but  that is not a reason to confiscate the money. They can return it easily. I think that they are not even allowed to take it.

At this point I indeed would take a partial payment and I agree I did some stupid things. I appreciate the input. Thank you. I hope that cloudbet will respond again one day.

Did they already pay you or what is the status?


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 09, 2020, 02:10:59 PM
I haven't heard a peep from Cloudbet unfortunately, and no.  They claim to have "sent my deposits back".  This is not the case.  My account was zero balanced, I sent around $25,000 in a 24 hour period.  I went to withdraw $15,000 in BCH, there was the mis-grade error, they want to void all wagers or do all sorts of things to say I don't deserve my deposits back, and then claim that they sent my deposits back.

I provided evidence that I've actually lost tens of thousands of dollars in bitcoin to the site, I didn't mean to abuse TOS it was my mistake.  I'm hoping we can come to a resolution but I haven't heard a peep since I presented the new facts with the fact that I have not won on the site long term, in fact I'm still down tens of thousands.  It was my mistake, I am hoping we can resolve it.

They said the reason I'm not being paid back the money I sent in is because my deposits were less than the withdrawals, however with past posts I have proved this is not the case.

Thanks for continuing to push for a resolution.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 10, 2020, 05:40:26 PM
Apparently someone else's complaint was resolved after 40 days because they started a complaint on askgamblers.

Askgamblers doesn't accept cases pertaining to sports betting.  He must have been a casino gambler.

Patiently awaiting a response from cloudbet.  It's been 2 months since the case was closed prematurely.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 10, 2020, 11:12:31 PM
 here are the 200 deposits and ~30 withdrawals showing I actually was down 2.7 bitcoins on the site before taking a one or two year break and forgetting my logins and making a new account.  I realize it's complicated but I've lost tens of thousands on the site, and their reasonings of me being in the profit on the site are blatantly false given these facts:

200 provable deposits
https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG

30 withdrawals
https://imgur.com/a/tUUxi0e

I realize I broke TOS- however it was completely non-malicious.  I'm a losing bettor, it's proven with facts here.  

The figures are that I was down 2.7 bitcoins on the previous account.  So holding the 67 BCH minus the .27 bitcoin misgrade doesn't seem to apply.

https://i.imgur.com/i6kUI1u.png
Some guy JacksonStreet and many other shill accounts of cloudbet's are trying to talk me out of gambling and convince me to walk away.  I have walked away- for weeks.  I'm still awaiting any update from Cloudbet on the case.  

Please stop having RedApples and JacksonStreet on SBRforum try and make me look bad over and over on here.  It's so tiring.  

Here it shows that he's actually stalking my profiles and talking about my businesses:
https://i.imgur.com/5gJOBGm.png

Can we get a resolution?  I don't want beef, I just want some type of resolution to the matter, you know?

People stalking my profiles, talking about my business, doing all sorts of stuff to try and make me go away.  Is this how a proper business is run guys?  Seriously?  Can you for once be a decent site and pay your customers, pay your players?  

I don't even think about this case at all any more.  I just post updates once a week and there are people apparently stalking me.  Make it stop guys.  Let's get a resolution.  I've walked away for weeks.  I'm just gently asking to please stop the personal attacks, and just confront the real situation here.  Let's get an official response from cloudbet.  It's been almost two months.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on November 12, 2020, 01:44:45 AM
https://ibb.co/R6z5Mb8

This psycho scammer is still at this game? For anyone who wants the truth, click this link and read the posts that follow. Read this entire thread from start to finish if you want an even clearer picture. Maybe the most dishonest psychotic unfair abusive scammer you will ever see ANYWHERE. Do not trust ANYTHING this guy says without verifying the details. NONE of it is ever true. Just read for 1 minute. He's the shadiest person you will ever find. Been waging a smear and misinformation campaign from day 1.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p9.html#post29818073




Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: nutildah on November 12, 2020, 05:27:48 AM
I have walked away- for weeks.  

That's not how walking away works!

I'm still awaiting any update from Cloudbet on the case.  

Then you haven't actually walked away. Seriously bro. This isn't good for your mental health.

I won't comment on this any further but just know what you're doing doesn't look good to anybody.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 12, 2020, 11:21:40 PM
I jsut want to hear what cloudbet has to say, it's been two months. I'm done conversing with people until then. I will just await to see if cloudbet says anyhting. if not whatever, i'll move on. but I wish it would get resolved.

Look I don't want any more problems, I apologize for stating false facts in the beginning. I was scared I wouldn't get paid. My reality came true. I apologize about all of it... I think jackson knows my character, and is pushing me to walk away for own mental health and to live a fruitful life, it's definitely a tough situation.

To the people talking crap and talking down to me, I'm sure you've done a lot worse than lie about your location when gambling on the internet. Good luck.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: scammed-by-nitro on November 13, 2020, 02:47:49 AM
I jsut want to hear what cloudbet has to say, it's been two months. I'm done conversing with people until then. I will just await to see if cloudbet says anyhting. if not whatever, i'll move on. but I wish it would get resolved.

Look I don't want any more problems, I apologize for stating false facts in the beginning. I was scared I wouldn't get paid. My reality came true. I apologize about all of it... I think jackson knows my character, and is pushing me to walk away for own mental health and to live a fruitful life, it's definitely a tough situation.

To the people talking crap and talking down to me, I'm sure you've done a lot worse than lie about your location when gambling on the internet. Good luck.


Hahahahhaa, you still thing you only violated the location rule. How stupid are you?



Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: acroman08 on November 13, 2020, 03:34:05 PM
I jsut want to hear what cloudbet has to say, it's been two months. I'm done conversing with people until then. I will just await to see if cloudbet says anyhting. if not whatever, i'll move on. but I wish it would get resolved.

Look I don't want any more problems, I apologize for stating false facts in the beginning. I was scared I wouldn't get paid. My reality came true. I apologize about all of it... I think jackson knows my character, and is pushing me to walk away for own mental health and to live a fruitful life, it's definitely a tough situation.

To the people talking crap and talking down to me, I'm sure you've done a lot worse than lie about your location when gambling on the internet. Good luck.

sure I(or people) have lied to someone but I do not lie to someone and accuse them that it was their fault and then playing like I was the victim.

the problem is trust. you lied and accused them of taking your money even though you didn't any rule and you used defamation to ruin their reputation. though it would be good if the two of you reach into an agreement.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 14, 2020, 02:22:58 AM
I admit I overreacted so horribly- I apologize eternally for that, to the community, to Cloudbet, to everyone.

I've since completely pulled back and changed my approach.  It's been over a month of me mostly not even posting, and when I do I'm apologizing left and right for overreacting and overreaching.  I really am sorry about the way I went about trying to plead my case to the public when I felt helpless dealing with them privately. 

Trust me, I feel awful about the way I handled things.  I've been apologizing for over a month, and I hardly post about it now, I'm just waiting to hear back after more facts have been presented.  I agree, I wish it would get resolved.  No I didn't ruin anyone's reputation, I don't have that power.  If I ruined anyone's reputation it was my own with lying about it out of desperation to get the funds I sent them back.  Trust me, I feel awful about the dishonesty about my location and about the past losing account. 

Now the facts are out, I've shown with provable evidence the links above to the deposits and withdrawals showing I have lost tens of thousands of dollars to the site.  Now let's see what Cloudbet has to say.  Please.  Appreciate your feedback, and again, I am sorry for reacting the way I did and throwing a tantrum.  Now let's see what Cloudbet's official word on the matter will be and go from there.  It's been 2 months.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 18, 2020, 03:08:45 PM
two months still no official statement from cloudbet regarding new facts and figures with verifiable deposit/withdrawal proof.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: RedApples on November 18, 2020, 07:47:27 PM
two months still no official statement from cloudbet regarding new facts and figures with verifiable deposit/withdrawal proof.

"New facts"? from who? You? The filthy scammer who has smeared Cloudbet and should be blacklisted? The case is closed. No one cares about your "new facts". Not only aren't they facts, but they amount to nothing. What does make sense, is Cloudbet distancing themselves from you. If anything you made them look really good here, and are continuing to make them look good. Good for them for not listening to any of your bullying and attempting to defraud them in every way. You're a liar, a cheat, a dishonest scam artist and con man. You literally tried to steal from them, made up many accounts to defraud them, and are still at this game.

Go away SCAMMER.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: efxes on November 19, 2020, 04:06:55 AM
I jsut want to hear what cloudbet has to say, it's been two months. I'm done conversing with people until then. I will just await to see if cloudbet says anyhting. if not whatever, i'll move on. but I wish it would get resolved.

Look I don't want any more problems, I apologize for stating false facts in the beginning. I was scared I wouldn't get paid. My reality came true. I apologize about all of it... I think jackson knows my character, and is pushing me to walk away for own mental health and to live a fruitful life, it's definitely a tough situation.

To the people talking crap and talking down to me, I'm sure you've done a lot worse than lie about your location when gambling on the internet. Good luck.


i will continue to quote this when being attacked.  I did no such wrong doings, I didn't try and steal any money- if you think that you somehow mis-interpreted the case.  I also overreacted and got upset- and lied about my location.  I apologize about that.


Title: Re: Cloudbet $15,000 confiscated due to US Citizenship
Post by: Coach0909 on January 14, 2021, 01:24:49 AM
UPDATE:

No response from Curacao Gaming for 8 months.

They still didn't return me my money.