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Title: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: Polo7 on October 13, 2020, 11:54:15 AM
Need to give officials and Political people better salary and more bonuses.

Then They Don't need to steal or bribe as their salary will be higher.


Good idea Right?


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: BADecker on October 13, 2020, 12:24:32 PM
Teach the people the 10 Commandments from the Bible, and get them to obey them.

Get rid of the national and worldwide banking systems; open everything up to unrestricted private banking - normally called organized barter. With computerization as it is today, this can be done. Banks shudder at the though of somebody thinking this thing through. We almost have it already in certain areas, like Priceline https://www.priceline.com/.

Get rid of the big governments of the world; maintain only local governments and their agreements with other local governments.

Judge all crimes that a person does/seems-to-have-done based on somebody being injured, bodily or property-wise; never judge based on some arbitrary law some government has set in place.

Let a 12-person local jury where the "crime" was done, be the one to judge guilt.

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Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: jossiel on October 13, 2020, 10:05:30 PM
Need to give officials and Political people better salary and more bonuses.
This wouldn't do. They already have the best paychecks but still, they haven't thought of avoiding corruption. When they see the money under the table, they become greedier.

Then They Don't need to steal or bribe as their salary will be higher.

Good idea Right?
Good idea but.

It won't help if an official is corrupt, he/she will remain as it is.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: akram143 on October 14, 2020, 04:34:45 AM
Need to give officials and Political people better salary and more bonuses.

Then They Don't need to steal or bribe as their salary will be higher.


Good idea Right?
Politicians and Government officials are rewarded more perks than anyone in that country and also have good amount of salary but do you really think that giving more salary will convince them to not to corrupt? the salary amount won't reach 1% of the corrupted amount.

What could be the best solution? Give power to voters to change the leaders at any time they want, don't give them certain time period.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: squatz1 on October 14, 2020, 05:43:50 AM
Need to give officials and Political people better salary and more bonuses.

Then They Don't need to steal or bribe as their salary will be higher.


Good idea Right?
Politicians and Government officials are rewarded more perks than anyone in that country and also have good amount of salary but do you really think that giving more salary will convince them to not to corrupt? the salary amount won't reach 1% of the corrupted amount.

What could be the best solution? Give power to voters to change the leaders at any time they want, don't give them certain time period.

+1 to this.

Not sure if any amount of money would be enough to convince someone to not sell themselves to some lobbying company for the promise of an amazing job after politics. It's a very strong lure. Plus the pay in Congress really isn't even that bad. As a member of the House, the lower chamber with more members, you're making $174,000 a year. Downside if you have to maintain two residences - one in your district, and one in DC. DC isn't cheap to live in, which leaves a lot of members of the house sleeping in their offices.

But yeah -- even if the government paid you 500k a year -- people in lobbying would just guarantee you a much higher paying job once you're done if you help them out on a few votes and wield your influence.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: Salauddin1994 on October 14, 2020, 08:07:44 AM
The best solution to eradicate corruption is for the government to be strict corruption increases due to weak government system the anti-corruption commission does not fulfill its responsibilities properly this is one of the reasons for the increase in corruption. The acc has to perform its duties honestly corrupt people must be punished severely only then can the rash of corruption be caught. Corruption is a serious obstacle in the way of development of the country alleviation of poverty establishment of human rights and positive social change.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: Natsuu on October 14, 2020, 08:26:49 AM
Teach the people the 10 Commandments from the Bible, and get them to obey them.

Get rid of the national and worldwide banking systems; open everything up to unrestricted private banking - normally called organized barter. With computerization as it is today, this can be done. Banks shudder at the though of somebody thinking this thing through. We almost have it already in certain areas, like Priceline https://www.priceline.com/.

Get rid of the big governments of the world; maintain only local governments and their agreements with other local governments.

Judge all crimes that a person does/seems-to-have-done based on somebody being injured, bodily or property-wise; never judge based on some arbitrary law some government has set in place.

Let a 12-person local jury where the "crime" was done, be the one to judge guilt.

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These solution have too many flaws;
1) We don't have the power to let them obey something no matter what, that statement is completely possible, only in our dreams. Also, politics and religion are 2 separate things, you can't just combine them to come up for something.

2) This will take too many ups and downs before it becomes plausible. This will not be accepted by most of the citizens of the world, although, it can be a good idea since we're coming up for a solution to corruption, but isn't this solution alone can raise the amount of scams and robbery in the internet?

3) Big government, small government, they still do be corrupt, so even if you give them less power in the population of a country, they will still be a corrupt official.

4) This is unjust in my own opinion, you can't just judge a person based on something inflicted in your body. There's too many different angles to look for before someone became guilty. This will just give more power to people in the higher ups.

Need to give officials and Political people better salary and more bonuses.

Then They Don't need to steal or bribe as their salary will be higher.


Good idea Right?

Nah, not at all, even if you give them a bigger salary, people who is corrupted can be said to be UNSATISFIED no matter what, they can't be satisfied as long as there are businessman who earns more than them. They can't be satisfied as long as they can have more. This malicious corrupt officials are greedy and disgusting to begin with. They are not just someone who became corrupt because they need to.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: Xembin on October 14, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
There are many ways we can eliminate corruption in our various country and societies such as : 1) Education : the best way to end corruption in our various places is to educate everyone in the society. They should not allow any one who is not well educated in the areas of corruption and the penalty that fall on anyone that fall victim.
2) Love :  the government we learn how to show love to the citizens so that in their time there will be no corruption.
3) Election: If the election of a country can be free and fair to the contester and the citizens it kill corruption without wasting time in the society. Once every one in the society observed the election is free and fair it hard for corruption to remain in the society.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: BADecker on October 14, 2020, 04:28:01 PM
Here, obviously, is not the best solution. But it might be the easiest. Simply do what the medical does to cure a disease. Redefine the symptoms. That is, redefine what the word "corruption" means.

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Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: bekti3 on October 14, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
Need to give officials and Political people better salary and more bonuses.

Then They Don't need to steal or bribe as their salary will be higher.


Good idea Right?
In my opinion, personal corruption will never be eradicated. as for more precisely antisispation.
because we don't have to look at examples of high-ranking state officials who are certain that the name corrupt will stick
 in their ties and suits .. let us look around us, or maybe the closest people have witnessed the activity of corruption ?. because the simple meaning of corruption itself is manipulating or embezzling (it could be goods, money, etc.).
This is what triggers the beginning of a major corruption. which starts from small things into bigger habits.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: franky1 on October 14, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
government think they have a guaranteed 4 year job. where the less they do the better. and use the lists of things they should do as a pledge for what they might do next 4 year term.

how about
ban all lobbying. ban all side jobs (private paid conference speakers/ceo/advisor roles in private companies) have all bank accounts made available to scrutiny committees. have no other income from other sources

then get paid a basic salary just to live on. and then paid extra for actually achieving things. EG pass a law that benefits citizens = $$$ bonus
 
so just stop all the do nothing then pledge to finally do something if re-elected
if governments can react to a pandemic in just a couple months. then no policy/idea/plan/agenda should take 4 years

then at re-election time we can see the policies/plans they did help push through and actually get a good idea of how productive a politician was to then judge if he should be kept on for another 4 years. no longer based on hopes/promises of future change. but on case history of changes so far.

and where these policies/plans are ones that benefit the people in general. not corporations not private parties. but what can help improve the lives of those that deserve to have their lives improved.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: squatz1 on October 15, 2020, 08:03:27 AM
government think they have a guaranteed 4 year job. where the less they do the better. and use the lists of things they should do as a pledge for what they might do next 4 year term.

how about
ban all lobbying. ban all side jobs (private paid conference speakers/ceo/advisor roles in private companies) have all bank accounts made available to scrutiny committees. have no other income from other sources

then get paid a basic salary just to live on. and then paid extra for actually achieving things. EG pass a law that benefits citizens = $$$ bonus
 
so just stop all the do nothing then pledge to finally do something if re-elected
if governments can react to a pandemic in just a couple months. then no policy/idea/plan/agenda should take 4 years

then at re-election time we can see the policies/plans they did help push through and actually get a good idea of how productive a politician was to then judge if he should be kept on for another 4 years. no longer based on hopes/promises of future change. but on case history of changes so far.

and where these policies/plans are ones that benefit the people in general. not corporations not private parties. but what can help improve the lives of those that deserve to have their lives improved.

Not really so simple to do these things.

There is nothing illegal about lobbying. People have a first amendment right to petition your government if you have issues with what they're doing. Lobbyists never directly pay someone, which is illegal, though they donate to your campaign and in turn you know keep their interests in mind as they're a supporter of your candidacy.

Lobbying doesn't need to involve money by the way. If you're a big enough organization, like Black Lives Matter or the NRA, your endorsement is enough to get people to support your causes and to change the laws to benefit you.

Plus setting up benefits for 'passing a law that helps people' seems highly subjective cause a lot of laws have the intention of helping people. Though not every law can help everyone, and not every law has consequences that were intended.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: Mauser on October 15, 2020, 08:53:17 AM
Need to give officials and Political people better salary and more bonuses.

Then They Don't need to steal or bribe as their salary will be higher.


Good idea Right?

Bad idea in my opinion because corruption doesn't depend on salary so much. If people earn more money they could still get more through corruption. Also the salary of politicians and officials should be somewhere close to rest of the economy. If there is a huge gap between the government salary and the private sectors people could become angry.

Another thing is if the government can actually afford high salaries. Usually corruption is very high in poorer countries. So it might be very hard to increase the salaries for all politicians across the board.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: Maroons on October 15, 2020, 11:54:54 AM
Need to give officials and Political people better salary and more bonuses.

Then They Don't need to steal or bribe as their salary will be higher.


Good idea Right?

Bad idea in my opinion because corruption doesn't depend on salary so much. If people earn more money they could still get more through corruption. Also the salary of politicians and officials should be somewhere close to rest of the economy. If there is a huge gap between the government salary and the private sectors people could become angry.

Another thing is if the government can actually afford high salaries. Usually corruption is very high in poorer countries. So it might be very hard to increase the salaries for all politicians across the board.
Well in my opinion its not really about how high their salary is because for them at least there is no high or low, they will always want more than they are earning and those kinds of people usually gain more confidence in doing it if the citizen is not well educated about what's happening in their country and yes corruption is often happening in poorer countries and that is why some countries don't progress at all so that is why voters needs to be wise in choosing who will they vote for.


Title: Re: Best Solution to eliminate corruption
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on October 15, 2020, 03:19:03 PM
Giving every government official a high salary is not an excellent solution to eliminate corruption because there is no such thing as enough for someone greedy to hold massive amounts of funds, so there will still be corruption. Honestly, I don't care anymore if every government steals money from their country as long as they can lead and save their country from falling like Germany and Dubai. Even in the middle of the pandemic, they still manage to save their economy and minimize their virus cases.