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Title: ㅤ Post by: Symmetrick on October 16, 2020, 07:06:52 AM .
Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on October 16, 2020, 10:19:06 AM Huge list, and many of this wallets I see for the first time here.
I would suggest that maybe you can add information if wallets are using Open Source or closed source software. I also think that you should remove metalic backups (Capsule, Cassette, Cryptotag, Billfodl), as they are not wallets ;) Quote LockBox - This looks like Price: - $59 Supported Cryptocurrencies - All blockchain.com cryptocurrencies Review - ENG Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Lucius on October 16, 2020, 10:27:32 AM Really big collection, but I'm not sure these metal plates or capsules go into the same category as other electronic devices, because they are primarily used to back up seeds or private keys that are generated on hardware/desktop wallets.
I paid a little more attention to the prices, and there really are huge differences between the device, so the prices of this Corazon HW go even over $1000, and at the same time many users have trouble paying even 10 times less for such devices. Such manufacturers are probably targeting customers with higher purchasing power who want to have something exclusive, but it seems that no one can compete with Ledger and Trezor when we look at their total share in this market. Speaking of Trezor, they also offer an expensive model that is made in a limited version, and as far as I can see it is still available on their website. https://shop.trezor.io/product/trezor-one-metallic Quote LockBox - This looks like a cheap Ledger clone :DIt is the official HW manufactured by Ledger for blockchain.com and works exclusively with this service. https://www.ledger.com/blockchain-announces-exclusive-hardware-wallet-lockbox-powered-by-ledger Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on October 16, 2020, 10:42:29 AM About the metal plates or capsules I had doubts whether to include them in the list or not. But I have studied many articles and guides with hardware wallets that I found on the Internet and they are often included there. So I decided to add them as well. I am afraid there are so many of this metallic backups seed storages that you would need many more pages to add them all, and I know at least 20 or more that Jameson Lopp tested: https://blog.lopp.net/metal-bitcoin-seed-storage-stress-test-iv/Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: DaveF on October 16, 2020, 07:30:15 PM The "bitcoin credit stick" is more commonly known as the opendime.
My opinion, and it's just that an opinion is that some things you have listed are not what most people think of as hardware wallets. Things like the opendime, the ballet crypto cards, etc. Are one and done. Once you open it, scratch the code off, whatever, it's no longer secure. A hardware wallet is day to day secure use. Otherwise every coin in the collectables section that you can load can be a hardware wallet. Just my view. Also, rare and hard to get but: https://www.mycelium.com/mycelium-entropy.html -Dave Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: hugeblack on October 17, 2020, 10:12:08 AM It's a long list, but we have to redefine Hardware wallets because many of the images contain paper wallets and other ideas.
For example, OmniStaker | should hardware wallet be air-gapped? not connected to the Internet? And having ethernet built inside, doesn't it reduce the security of the wallet? the same for Crypto Ring and other metallic backups seed storages Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: sheenshane on October 17, 2020, 03:47:34 PM It's great and helpful stuff of huge list in all Hardware wallets. I never thought there are too many of them.
I tend to agree that metal plates are not wallet just like, Billfodl. Just a small request, can you include in your list and determine each every one of them which are those open-source or close source wallets? Regarding the Pi wallet, actually, the reason might it was a sold-out because you can simply create your own wallet using Raspberry Pi for a Crypto storage. Here is how to create a wallet Using a Raspberry Pi for a Crypto Currency Wallet. (https://www.electromaker.io/tutorial/blog/using-a-raspberry-pi-for-a-crypto-currency-wallet) Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 18, 2020, 02:32:46 AM For example, OmniStaker | should hardware wallet be air-gapped? not connected to the Internet? And having ethernet built inside, doesn't it reduce the security of the wallet? Yeah, that caught my eye immediately and it definitely isn't a real hardware wallet. Stakebox (https://www.stakebox.org/) has been making dressed-up pi's to stake specific coins for quite some time now, and even if they use much less electricity, you'd still have to stake a hell of a lot of whatever coin you're staking in order to recoup the cost of even the cheapest Raspberry pi on the market. And yeah, I guess you could use a pi as a hardware device, but that's true of a cell phone or even a piece of paper with a seed phrase written on it. All in all, this is a great compilation of various HW wallets and I hadn't seen a lot of these before. Thanks for going through all the effort, OP. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: LTU_btc on October 19, 2020, 09:05:18 PM Wow, very impressive list. I thought that there is maybe 15-20 hardware wallets in the market, I haven't heard many of these names before. I'm not sure how did you managed to find all these wallets. Though, I'm not sure that all these things can be called as hardware wallet, but still, it's good to have everything collected in single place.
What is also impressive is price of some hardware wallets. $500 or even $1000 for hardware wallet, well, it should be masterpiece for such price. Also, I want to suggest avoid Bitfi wallet, which claim to unhackable, but in reality it's unsafe. And, I think you should update about Ledger Blue - they aren't selling it anymore. Though, maybe it's still available on resellers stores. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: jerry0 on October 19, 2020, 10:23:40 PM This is insane. I had no idea there were this many types of hardware wallets. But what allows these companies to make these wallets?
Also, i remember hearing something about this on youtube but couldn't a regular person with tech skills create their own wallet so to speak? Or something like that? I heard of bitfi wallet and that is mcafees wallet right? But thats unsafe? Now with all those other wallets i never heard of, any case of it being hacked or unsafe? I mean that certainly feels sketchy having coins in a wallet like one of those not named ledger or trezor right? But why would anyone buy any wallet that is not ledger or trezor? When you look at the pricing, most seem to cost even more than the nano ledger and trezor. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: bob123 on October 21, 2020, 11:29:42 AM [...] couldn't a regular person with tech skills create their own wallet so to speak? Or something like that? With lots of tech skills, sure. I heard of bitfi wallet and that is mcafees wallet right? But thats unsafe? Yes, absolutely insecure. Shouldn't ever be recommended. Now with all those other wallets i never heard of, any case of it being hacked or unsafe? I mean that certainly feels sketchy having coins in a wallet like one of those not named ledger or trezor right? Definitely, yes. I'd never use an unknown hardware wallet where the security hasn't been thoroughly tested by multiple auditing companies. But why would anyone buy any wallet that is not ledger or trezor? When you look at the pricing, most seem to cost even more than the nano ledger and trezor. I guess because they like "how it looks" or just out of curiosity / for fun. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: FatFork on October 29, 2020, 07:43:59 PM This is a really impressive list. I've never heard of most of these before.
Anyway, I've gotta examine, at least some of them, further. ;) Also, i remember hearing something about this on youtube but couldn't a regular person with tech skills create their own wallet so to speak? Or something like that? You mean something like this? https://www.instructables.com/Making-My-Own-Trezor-Crypto-Hardware-Wallet/ There is also a topic on bitcointalk about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5259912.0 Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: FatFork on November 15, 2020, 10:54:59 PM Ratimov, I think you can move the Temexe X wallet under the defunct category. The official website is no longer available and there have been no updates on social media for more than two years. Surely buying such a wallet would be a big security risk.
Also, I've added a few more new wallets to my list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.0) so you might find this information helpful. New hardware wallets:
Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: FatFork on November 27, 2020, 08:24:40 PM Hey, Ratimov! Here's another one for your list:
SecurityArts QUANTUM
Supports Bitcoin, Ethereum, Ripple, Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin SV, Litecoin, EOS, Dash, DogeCoin and Stakenet XSN coin. It can be purchased at an official web shop for $49. https://i.imgur.com/7ITuxWr.png https://security-arts.com/ Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on February 09, 2021, 11:59:27 AM Ratimov, few more hardware wallets you can add to this big list:
https://i.imgur.com/iGOeLJo.png Jade is open source wallet made by Blockstream and we can buy it for $39.99. Full-color display, supporting Bitcoin and Liquid Network sidechain tokens L-BTC, USDt, L-CAD, JPYS and it will have camera enabled in future with qr codes. https://blockstream.com/jade/ github: https://github.com/Blockstream/jade/ https://imkey.im/_next/static/images/4-82e90aa4f71797bc54be377630dd9b60.jpg Imkey is $99 and supporting Bitcoin, Ethereum, Eos, Cosmos and USDT https://imkey.im/ https://i.imgur.com/L2l0Jjn.png Hito - Not much info about it and no price, wi-fi support, full-color display and it will have mobile and desktop app. https://hito.ai/ Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on February 10, 2021, 11:30:38 AM I found few more hardware wallets missing from this big list and they are coming from Chinese manufacturer called Wookong currently offering four devices.
They are all working with their native closed source application and with Math wallet as far as I know. https://i.imgur.com/7BMayX9.png Wookong Bio (https://wooko.ng/en/bio) prices starting from $170 or or ￥1099 with discount Supported Cryptocurrencies: BTC, ETH（including ERC20), EOS, USDT, XRP, LTC, CYB, ETC, NEO https://i.imgur.com/7Hp4WEw.png Wookong Solo (https://wooko.ng/en/solo) Supported Cryptocurrencies: BTC, ETH（including ERC20), EOS, USDT, XRP, LTC, CYB, ETC, NEO https://i.imgur.com/SCTsvtE.png Wookong Enterprise (https://wooko.ng/en/enterprise) Supported Cryptocurrencies: BTC, ETH（including ERC20), EOS, USDT, XRP, LTC, CYB, ETC, NEO https://i.imgur.com/0aRy7qB.png Wookong Blue (https://wooko.ng/en/blue) - Coming Soon Wireless and wired up, but no information for coin support. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: SFR10 on August 15, 2021, 07:54:27 PM A couple more that are missing:
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Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on November 29, 2021, 05:53:24 PM I recently found out that Interpol and their Innovation Centre is keeping their own tracking off Hardware Wallets Digital Forensics List, with vendor ID _VID(0x) and Product ID _PID(0x) for each device.
Forensics examiners may use this information to identify if such a device has been used on the suspect's computer, and they keep this list of hardware wallet updated on regular basis and they have most popular brands on their list: https://github.com/INTERPOL-Innovation-Centre/HardwareWallets_DF_List/blob/d92f5beef76cd08ff7ea575979bef08f1758a56e/README.md They obviously have problem to identify some non-usb devices like airgaped hardware wallets, because they are harder to identify especially if they only use QR codes for communication. If you ever used hardware wallet connected with your computer over usb connection and you want to remove any leftovers, best way to do this is probably to reformat and reinstall fresh OS. We also know that IRS have intention to crack and hack hardware wallets so it doesn't hurt to be extra careful about this. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: n0nce on December 01, 2021, 12:02:45 AM They obviously have problem to identify some non-usb devices like airgaped hardware wallets, because they are harder to identify especially if they only use QR codes for communication. Oh damn, that's a very interesting point to consider in the 'airgap discussion'! I will definitely remember this as an advantage of airgapped wallets: they don't leave traces on the OS. Especially not when using QR code; though I don't see how using an SD card for PSBT transfer would leave a 'suspicious' trail on the computer.Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on December 01, 2021, 11:50:22 AM Oh damn, that's a very interesting point to consider in the 'airgap discussion'! I will definitely remember this as an advantage of airgapped wallets: they don't leave traces on the OS. Especially not when using QR code; though I don't see how using an SD card for PSBT transfer would leave a 'suspicious' trail on the computer. They could only identify that you used some SD card on your computer, but SD cards are generic and used for storing media and multiple purposes.However, SD cards do have their own firmware but that is separate subject all together. One more thing that is tricky for Interpol is tracking DIY hardware wallets made from general use components like RaspberryPi. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: n0nce on December 01, 2021, 03:21:28 PM Oh damn, that's a very interesting point to consider in the 'airgap discussion'! I will definitely remember this as an advantage of airgapped wallets: they don't leave traces on the OS. Especially not when using QR code; though I don't see how using an SD card for PSBT transfer would leave a 'suspicious' trail on the computer. They could only identify that you used some SD card on your computer, but SD cards are generic and used for storing media and multiple purposes.However, SD cards do have their own firmware but that is separate subject all together. One more thing that is tricky for Interpol is tracking DIY hardware wallets made from general use components like RaspberryPi. Very important point to consider in HW wallet choice & discussions from now on for me, as I said. Enlightening! Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: NeuroticFish on December 22, 2021, 10:06:03 AM AirGap (https://airgap.it) I've made some sort of test for Bitcoin with AirGap. The point was to try it out with a different "client" than AirGap provides. Long story (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5377997) short, at least for Bitcoin alone, Electrum (for Android) + Electrum can be another pretty good solution. For some it may be obvious, still, it may worth a spot in your list if AirGap is there. Or at least a side node. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: OmegaStarScream on April 15, 2022, 12:21:29 PM Ledger has released a new device a couple of weeks ago, the Nano S plus (79$)[1]
The device is not that different compared to the nano S model, but here's a review[2] for anyone interested in knowing more about it. [1] https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-s-plus [2] https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2022/04/05/ledger-nano-s-plus-review-good-for-beginners/ Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Agbe on June 07, 2022, 01:18:49 AM Computer hardware/Software & Hardware wallet Computer hardware are those physical parts of the computer that can be seen and touched. Example: harddisk https://i.imgur.com/f1GrzVg.jpeg flashdrive https://i.imgur.com/2mre4YR.jpeg memory card https://i.imgur.com/Wn5pTrh.jpeg Cell phone https://i.imgur.com/15tmks4.jpeg etc While software are those programs that can't be touched but can be seen in the computer. Example: online or ussd wallets, digital wallets, email, encrypted text, coding, programming, including this thread etc. WALLET Wallet is a kind of pouch for men to keep fiat currency, passport, ID card, hard documents and other minor things. TYPES OF WALLETS Hardware wallet as the name implied, it is a wallet that can be seen and touched which is meant for physical storage of things. Such as money, ID card, house key etc. Example. https://i.imgur.com/Wmcfze2.jpeg Software wallet: as the name implied as well, it is a kind of wallet that is used to keep E-Currencies or digital currencies wallet. Example: E-naira wallet, Cryptocurrencies wallet, eToro, Coinbase, Huobi etc The above wallets are purely for software and any hardware attached to them does not supposed to be called hardware wallet because they don't have the function of hardware. They are only for online. But the device used for the accessing the software is called hardware. Therefore, it would have been called "e-wallent or crypto wallet or bitcoin wallet", and the above mentioned are different types of e-wallents Therefore, calling "hardware wallet" and use it in internet is an oxymoron, it is contradicting the whole issue, because the content is untouchable. Like this is an hardware https://i.imgur.com/ujbi57G.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/C2uEojf.jpeg and what is inside is software, so why do you call it Hardware wallet? Although hardware can not function without software, they are working together but hardware is hardware and software is software in computer. This issue is giving me headache to even understand computer again. Because I believed that anything Concerning online is software. But this one you call it Hardware wallet but everything is online, I am confused oh! I believed computer devices always have two wares. Hardware and software. And it is explained above In addition, I need someone to explain precisely and concisely in detail to me the different between fiat physical hardware wallet and online hardware wallet and why you call this one hardware wallet? https://i.imgur.com/8uAvdjN.jpg Finally Probably it's called hardware wallet because the device is an hardware and it uses to keep digital currency. That means it would have been better called bitcoin wallet, or e-wallet because there is an already existing hardware wallet. So what is the different between computer hardware and hardware wallet? Because I see all as storage devices. Links for the two argument https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-opera-mini-android&biw=320&bih=452&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=wallet+in+nigeria&oq=Wallet+in+&aqs=mobile-gws-lite.0.0l5 https://www.google.com/search?q=hardware+wallet&client=ms-opera-mini-android&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxkMS2_pj4AhUei_0HHa1yApMQ_AUIBigB&biw=320&bih=452 https://www.google.com/search?q=flash+drive&client=ms-opera-mini-android&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjo4YOQ_5j4AhVIQEEAHdAOBV4Q_AUIBigB&biw=320&bih=452 Thanks. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: PawGo on June 07, 2022, 11:29:11 AM In addition, I need someone to explain precisely and concisely in detail to me the different between fiat physical hardware wallet and online hardware wallet and why you call this one hardware wallet? Of course now discussion now goes into creating dictionary definition, but in general difference between "hardware wallet" and "software wallet" is that in case of software wallet you talk about program which is responsible for creation/importing/exporting private keys. It means that user relies on software and (to some extend) has access to private keys. Or even user creates wallet himself importing previously generated (and known) private keys. In case of hardware wallet we talk about dedicated device which functionality is strictly limited and which does not expose private keys - it works like a black box, where software asks for a given result and device provides just the result (software has no access to data needed to generate the result). On the other hand paper wallet (piece of paper) is not a hardware wallet, as it only stores (and exposes) the information - and 3rd party is needed to make use of them. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Marvelman on June 14, 2022, 07:47:59 AM /cut/ First, I would suggest you edit your post so that it is more enjoyable to read. The pictures you posted are unnecessary, we all know what the word "hardware" means, so you don't have to give us examples. But even if you want to keep them in your post, please reduce their size so they don't take up as much screen space. Thank you. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: n0nce on June 15, 2022, 12:44:57 AM ~ Of course, all software runs on hardware and all hardware needs software to run on it to be useful. But I think the Bitcoin Wiki has a pretty easy to understand definition: Quote from: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hardware_wallet A hardware wallet is a special type of bitcoin wallet which stores the user's private keys in a secure hardware device. They have major advantages over standard software wallets:
To put it simply: think of it as a dedicated device for Bitcoin keys. Even storing a Bitcoin seed on a device that is separate from your daily device that you use to browse the web, download games and such, would already be a huge improvement compared to running a software wallet directly on your main computer. Now if that secondary dedicated Bitcoin machine is an off-the shelf laptop or phone, it has much larger attack surface. A hardware wallet is just much, much simpler in terms of both the hardware and software used; it's so specific to its task that it has less crap that can be infected on it. Lastly, buying a second computer for storing Bitcoin keys will also be more expensive than a hardware wallet (while being probably less secure as just described). So yeah; you're right: a hardware wallet isn't not using software and a software wallet isn't not running on hardware. I believe the naming was chosen because on a high level, when I use a software wallet, it's the software on my device that stores the secret, while when I use a hardware wallet it's a separate device (hardware) that stores the secret. Of course, at the end of the day that device in turn uses software as well, to store the seed. But that's how it's defined... don't worry too much about it, it's just a definition. 0:) Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: maxirosson on October 09, 2022, 12:30:58 PM Wow. There are more wallets I could imagine. :o
I wrote an article comparing the 26 most popular Hardware Wallets, comparing them feature by feature: https://blog.thebitcoinhole.com/best-hardware-wallets-31141ed1aa05 Also, I summarized all the wallets features on this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-8DLbhxtOcDEBPl8-IAGWaoyx1H02JSz9hADCgAGyCo/edit#gid=0 Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on October 10, 2022, 06:26:55 PM Wow. There are more wallets I could imagine. :o Oh you didn't see nothing, as this topic is not freshly update like our local topic maintained by our member Fatfork :)You could find there all possible hardware wallets ever created (more than here), and you could use machine translation for english language, or ask there if you want some clarification. You can even find few short reviews about newer hardware wallets made by me (in my free time): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.0 I wrote an article comparing the 26 most popular Hardware Wallets, comparing them feature by feature: Nice work.I saw it few days ago and I think it was done good, but some things could be improved and mistakes corrected. If you are the original author of that blog and spreadsheet, than welcome to Bitcointalk forum :) Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: OmegaStarScream on November 10, 2022, 08:32:31 AM Found this new wallet from a Sponsored article by Coindesk[1][2]. Costs 199$ and support BTC and ETH (and its tokens).
[1] https://www.coindesk.com/sponsored-content/keeping-your-crypto-on-an-exchange-thats-where-its-most-exposed-to-hackers-theres-a-better-way/ [2] https://www.icointechnology.store/ Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: SFR10 on November 10, 2022, 05:58:20 PM [2] https://www.icointechnology.store/ Their ".com (https://www.icointechnology.com/)" domain extension contains more information about their HW and to those who might be interested, there was a little discussion [#111 to #128 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403779.msg60651613#msg60651613)] about it back in July of this year.Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on November 10, 2022, 08:16:46 PM Found this new wallet from a Sponsored article by Coindesk[1][2]. Costs 199$ and support BTC and ETH (and its tokens). Oh I know about this hardware wallet for a long time, and we posted about it in our local board modified list of hardware wallets.I am not impressed at all with iCoin, this is just modified smartphone device and I would never buy it myslelf. Check out our big list of wallets, it is more up to date, it has more devices and it is maintained all the time by out member FatFork: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.0 Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Nmnsth on November 26, 2022, 08:48:36 AM Quote If you know more about any wallets that I haven't mentioned in the list, please let me know. Thanks. :) Hey @Ratimov, thats an impressive list. Seems like you covered almost all the wallets. Although you missed out on Cypherock Wallet. It's a Seedless Open Source hardware wallet that uses Shamir Secret Sharing to shard the keys into multiple components. Here is a list of resources that you can refer
Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Pmalek on November 26, 2022, 08:54:56 AM <Snip> Ratimov stopped making updates to this thread a long time ago, so I doubt your hardware wallet will be added to it. There haven't been changes to the OP since February 2021. Alternatively, your hardware wallet could be added on a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.0) that is maintained and regularly updated in the Croatian local board by FatFork. I am tagging @FatFork here because I think he has a notification bot set up. When he sees the mention, he will say something. Additionally, dkbit98 often writes updates in the Croatian topic mentioning new wallets that could be features in the table.Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Nmnsth on November 26, 2022, 11:00:52 AM Quote Ratimov stopped making updates to this thread a long time ago, so I doubt your hardware wallet will be added to it. Thank you Pmalek. After replying, I later realized Ratimov had added Cypherock in the updated list of wallet. Quote Alternatively, your hardware wallet could be added on a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.0) that is maintained and regularly updated in the Croatian local board by FatFork. I already see Cypherock in the list. Thanks @FatFork Much Appreciated help @Pmalek Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: OmegaStarScream on December 12, 2022, 12:27:59 PM If you want to add Ledger's newest hardware wallet:
Code: [b][url=https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-stax]Ledger Stax (Pre-order)[/url][/b] Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: browsiek on March 27, 2023, 08:32:40 PM Sorry I have to ask here.
I want to buy Nano Ledger X from the official site but I am in the region of Asia (indonesia) where Bitpay is not allowed then how can I buy this hardware wallet with bitcoins? I don't like any other payment options except bitcoin. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: SFR10 on March 28, 2023, 08:00:49 PM I want to buy Nano Ledger X from the official site but I am in the region of Asia (indonesia) where Bitpay is not allowed then how can I buy this hardware wallet with bitcoins? It seems that the "Crypto.com Pay (https://i.imgur.com/bT0PC64.jpg)" option is also available [IIRC, it doesn't have any limits for Indonesians, but do some research before using it]:I don't like any other payment options except bitcoin.
Alternatively, you can try one of their "official resellers (https://www.ledger.com/reseller)" as well [DYOR]. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: OmegaStarScream on March 29, 2023, 05:03:51 PM It seems that the "Crypto.com Pay (https://i.imgur.com/bT0PC64.jpg)" option is also available [IIRC, it doesn't have any limits for Indonesians, but do some research before using it]:
Alternatively, you can try one of their "official resellers (https://www.ledger.com/reseller)" as well [DYOR]. Crypto Pay is actually not available for everyone. I don't have that option. And this has nothing to do with the IP address, but rather the physical address. So if he wants to be able to pay, he will probably need to use a package forwarding company like forward2me (can't vouch for them) for example, and then follow the steps you gave him. It will cost him a bit, but it's still better than taking an unnecessary risk and buying from a third party. Or alternatively, @browsiek you can look into Trezor (if you're fine with not having bluetooth connection). Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Husna QA on March 30, 2023, 01:18:19 AM Sorry I have to ask here. I'm from Indonesia too. I buy Nano X at a local marketplace with a good reputation. I have no experience buying directly from the official Ledger site and don't know if buying using Bitcoin will cause problems when dealing with taxes on imported goods.I want to buy Nano Ledger X from the official site but I am in the region of Asia (indonesia) where Bitpay is not allowed then how can I buy this hardware wallet with bitcoins? I don't like any other payment options except bitcoin. It seems that the "Crypto.com Pay (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blobdac4aef37bb843c7.jpeg)" option is also available [IIRC, it doesn't have any limits for Indonesians, but do some research before using it]: As mentioned earlier, Bitpay wallet is not available in Indonesia. Meanwhile, the Crypto.com application, as far as I know, is available for Indonesian users. But at Ledger, there is no payment option using it for the Indonesian region.https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob88814373ca5cdbd0.png Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: joniboini on March 30, 2023, 08:53:29 AM I want to buy Nano Ledger X from the official site but I am in the region of Asia (indonesia) where Bitpay is not allowed then how can I buy this hardware wallet with bitcoins? I'm from Indonesia too. I buy Nano X at a local marketplace with a good reputation. I have no experience buying directly from the official Ledger site and don't know if buying using Bitcoin will cause problems when dealing with taxes on imported goods.I don't like any other payment options except bitcoin. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Husna QA on March 31, 2023, 01:24:08 AM I want to buy Nano Ledger X from the official site but I am in the region of Asia (indonesia) where Bitpay is not allowed then how can I buy this hardware wallet with bitcoins? -snip-I don't like any other payment options except bitcoin. Now I see they (https://shop.beli-bitcoin.co) accept purchases even if it's one pcs. But the selling price is higher than at ledger.com (https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-x). However, as mentioned above, in Indonesia, Bitcoin is not allowed to be used as a means of payment. So if you buy from an official distributor, they don't accept payments with Bitcoin. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: joniboini on March 31, 2023, 01:15:35 PM Now I see they (https://shop.beli-bitcoin.co) accept purchases even if it's one pcs. But the selling price is higher than at ledger.com (https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-x). I think that is understandable. Other electronics products are also more significantly expensive due to taxes, etc. I assume official resellers need that extra cut to make it profitable since they have to follow all the procedures to import and so on. I'm pretty sure this is more or less the norm for a country like Indonesia. At the end of the day, P2P is probably browsiek only choice if he wants to buy with BTC. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: hZti on April 05, 2023, 06:18:30 PM Now I see they (https://shop.beli-bitcoin.co) accept purchases even if it's one pcs. But the selling price is higher than at ledger.com (https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-x). I think that is understandable. Other electronics products are also more significantly expensive due to taxes, etc. I assume official resellers need that extra cut to make it profitable since they have to follow all the procedures to import and so on. I'm pretty sure this is more or less the norm for a country like Indonesia. At the end of the day, P2P is probably browsiek only choice if he wants to buy with BTC. Ledger and other hardware wallet manufacturers need to get some global reseller cooperations, for example with local electronic shops. People don’t like to buy from resellers, but I think this would be solvable with a secure and tamperproof packaging. Also Colcard and others are very hard and expensive to get if you don’t live in Canada. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: dkbit98 on April 05, 2023, 06:47:07 PM Ledger and other hardware wallet manufacturers need to get some global reseller cooperations, for example with local electronic shops. People don’t like to buy from resellers, but I think this would be solvable with a secure and tamperproof packaging. Also Colcard and others are very hard and expensive to get if you don’t live in Canada. They all have tamperproof packaging and it sucks for all of them, or it can be replicated for all wallets.Tamperproof packaging is more like security theater than a real security improvement, but they also have online verification to prove authenticity. Coldcard is cheaper than most ledgers and trezor T, I am not supporting Coldcard at all, but this wallet is neither expensive nor hard to purchase. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: Husna QA on April 06, 2023, 10:40:54 AM Ledger and other hardware wallet manufacturers need to get some global reseller cooperations, for example with local electronic shops. People don’t like to buy from resellers, but I think this would be solvable with a secure and tamperproof packaging. Also Colcard and others are very hard and expensive to get if you don’t live in Canada. In Indonesia, there are still very few official hardware wallet distributors or resellers. Besides beli-bitcoin.co (https://shop.beli-bitcoin.co/), one is ncrypt.co.id (http://ncrypt.co.id/), an authorized reseller for several hardware wallet products, including ColdCard Mk4. The price (if converted to USD) is around USD 181 - USD 200 (https://www.tokopedia.com/ncrypt/coldcard-mk4-bitcoin-btc-crypto-cryptocurrency-hardware-wallet?extParam=whid%3D10667095); it is a little more expensive than the price listed on the official website, which costs around US 148 (https://store.coinkite.com/store/coldcard). But I think it's reasonable, considering there are shipping costs from the manufacturer and taxes that apply in my country.Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: LTU_btc on April 09, 2023, 10:21:43 PM Ledger and other hardware wallet manufacturers need to get some global reseller cooperations, for example with local electronic shops. People don’t like to buy from resellers, but I think this would be solvable with a secure and tamperproof packaging. Also Colcard and others are very hard and expensive to get if you don’t live in Canada. It's actually interesting point. Buying hardware wallet in same shop where I can get new smartphone, TV or fridge. When it comes to physical shops, I'm wondering how many wallets in whole year shops in my location would sell. Probably it wouldn't be worth for them.When it comes to online shops, maybe there is some people who ready to pay extra price to resellers and get faster delivery, but I still would prefer official store, rather than well known trusted local shop. Title: Re: [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) Post by: taufik123 on April 13, 2023, 02:06:28 PM In Indonesia, there are still very few official hardware wallet distributors or resellers. Besides beli-bitcoin.co (https://shop.beli-bitcoin.co/), one is ncrypt.co.id (http://ncrypt.co.id/), an authorized reseller for several hardware wallet products, including ColdCard Mk4. The price (if converted to USD) is around USD 181 - USD 200 (https://www.tokopedia.com/ncrypt/coldcard-mk4-bitcoin-btc-crypto-cryptocurrency-hardware-wallet?extParam=whid%3D10667095); it is a little more expensive than the price listed on the official website, which costs around US 148 (https://store.coinkite.com/store/coldcard). But I think it's reasonable, considering there are shipping costs from the manufacturer and taxes that apply in my country. I also live in Indonesia and know enough about hardware wallet sales in Indonesia. Of course, it won't be too interesting for those who don't know much about crypto storage. I some of the distributors or resellers you mentioned I also know and recommended getting original and certainly safe goods. The price will indeed be more expensive because it has been calculated with shipping costs and import duty costs to Indonesia, it is worth-it without the need to buy from abroad again. It's actually interesting point. Buying hardware wallet in same shop where I can get new smartphone, TV or fridge. When it comes to physical shops, I'm wondering how many wallets in whole year shops in my location would sell. Probably it wouldn't be worth for them. It depends on the enthusiasm of crypto users in the area. in my city alone you will never find Hardware Wallet sold in electronic stores, it will not be possible. Because the majority of the population does not know crypto and only a few groups know crypto, but never need a Hardware Wallet. When it comes to online shops, maybe there is some people who ready to pay extra price to resellers and get faster delivery, but I still would prefer official store, rather than well known trusted local shop. In online stores, there are indeed quite a lot of hardware wallet sellers, but I am only interested in official sellers who have partnered with the hardware wallet manufacturer because the risk of receiving goods that have been used and the phrase has been known by previous users is very likely. there are some people who commit such fraud. |
