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For future reference, here's my public key.  It's the same one that's been there since the bitcoin.org site first went up in 2008.  Grab it now in case you need it later.

http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

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- https://web.archive.org/web/20090303195936/http://bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

Key ID: 5EC948A1

Created: 2008-10-30

Fingerprint: DE4E FCA3 E1AB 9E41 CE96 CECB 18C0 9E86 5EC9 48A1

The very same PGP Key is also located on the Web Archive page for bitcoin.org :

- https://web.archive.org/web/20090303195936/http://bitcoin.org/

...snip...
Anybody who loves bitcoin should be thrilled to read the above archive page. The very first content that was put into http://bitcoin.org by satoshi.

~ Anyone wonder where Laszlo got his idea from? *shrugs*

You can buy and sell Bitcoins with PayPal ... " ...[/i]

...snip...

Okay I can not stop laughing now. However, I think by mentioning paypal Satoshi wanted to mean that it's very easy to buy bitcoin online. And in the west world paypal is the easiest and the most popular payment method for any trade. They still are for none bitcoiners.

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https://i.imgur.com/0a77G8l.png
Is this the size of early bitcoin full node?

Herewith, a link to my old (manual) exchange service: 'BitcoinFX' ...
- https://web.archive.org/web/20100617031313/http://www.bitcoinfx.cz.cc/
- https://web.archive.org/web/20100619120552/http://www.bitcoinfx.cz.cc/bitcoinex.html
- https://web.archive.org/web/20100619123610/http://www.bitcoinfx.cz.cc/request.html

Note my Signed and Verifiable Bitcoin address here:
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066.0

I've signed more bitcoin addresses than Satoshi Nakamoto

My legally hard earned LR was 'confiscated by some 'Three Letter Agencies'.  :'(

Satoshi Nakamoto
satoshin@gmx.com
PGP key

Key ID: 5EC948A1

Created: 2008-10-30

Fingerprint: DE4E FCA3 E1AB 9E41 CE96 CECB 18C0 9E86 5EC9 48A1

https://i.ibb.co/3fy65Nt/sn-pgp-key-details.png

i don't think there is anything insecure about a 1024-bit DSA key.

the source code still contains the key[1] while the site seems to not have any link to make it accessible publicly.
maybe bitcoin.org needs a "historical" page that can include this key alongside other historical facts and clarify that this key was created 12 years ago and may not be safe anymore. although i don't think there is anything insecure about a 1024-bit DSA key.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/blob/master/satoshinakamoto.asc (permanent (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/blob/cde4ddb0e1d7a8c29e92ddc517ca0d4b1590016a/satoshinakamoto.asc))

Quite clearly Satoshi Nakamoto placed the Key on bitcoin.org

Whilst historical reference might be nice to, I will reiterate what I said in the OP ...

"powers that be", put the goddamn PGP Key back on bitcoin.org!

It is a Public Key that was/is already in Public Space.

If someone came back now using Satoshi's PGP keys, there would be a much bigger controversy where everyone argues about if Satoshi's PGP keys have been stolen, and someone is using them to fake being Satoshi (Craig Wrong proved that people are interested in doing exactly this)

So what is your point, @BitcoinFX?

The genuine Satoshi Nakamoto has a PGP Key, here:

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458.msg5772#msg5772

...snip...

was born in 1994 in Russia and moved to Canada in 2000, where I went to school. I happily played World of Warcraft during 2007-2010, but one day Blizzard removed the damage component from my beloved warlock's Siphon Life spell. I cried myself to sleep, and on that day I realized what horrors centralized services can bring. I soon decided to quit.
In 2011, searching for a new purpose in life, I discovered Bitcoin.
https://about.me/vitalik_buterin

With Bitcoin keys, these problems don't exist because of Bitcoin addresses. Bitcoin addresses hide the actual cryptographic keys (locked inside a hash) until you spend from them. So the information needed to bruteforce a Bitcoin key is publicly available from the time you send till when it gets 1 confirm on the Bitcoin network, before that it's as secret as your private key. This is not long enough to attack Bitcoin's public keys (ECDSA secp256k1 keys), unlike the 10+ years people have had to attack Satoshi's PGP key (DSA keys).

Do you think that it would be possible that in the future bitcoin address may replace PGP keys?

I am more comfortable in proving my identity using a bitcoin signed message than a PGP key. I use bitcoin addresses a lot but I barely used a PGP key. As you said it is safer, isn't it a good substitute?

Not all PGP users are bitcoiner and the same way not all bitcoiner are familiar with PGP. PGP came long before bitcoin and I do not think satoshi ever thought that bitcoin will be such big. So for him PGP was more sense making than singing a bitcoin address.


I think PGP is not just for signing a message, another use case of PGP is that you can encrypt and decrypt a files.

Why didn't satoshi signed with a bitcoin address to prove his identity?

Do you think that it would be possible that in the future bitcoin address may replace PGP keys?

I am more comfortable in proving my identity using a bitcoin signed message than a PGP key. I use bitcoin addresses a lot but I barely used a PGP key. As you said it is safer, isn't it a good substitute?

An interesting read ...

New PGP key: RSA/RSA or DSA/Elgamal?
- https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/72581/new-pgp-key-rsa-rsa-or-dsa-elgamal

...snip...


you're slightly proving my point here... PGP keys should have an expiry date, or at least the subkeys (of a master key) should. That's why people are asking questions like that on stackexchange.com, and Satoshi eventually almost certainly understood this too. You'd be quite unwise to trust Satoshi's PGP key  from 2008 alone when it's concerning such a significant person.

BTW, the most secure PGP keys use the Ed25519 curve, you need to enable some kind of expert option to use them though (I think it's literally gpg --expert --full-generate-key). Ed25519 keys were not added to GnuPG until 2014 or so, long after Satoshi disappeared.

Glorious! I did not realize that you are an old (ancient) timer until now. Looking at all those old timers are leaving the forum is somehow a hard reality to accept but one has to leave at some point. We all will do.

Anyway, that's a nice contribution from your part in the early stage.

Assuming LR is a currency. Which one?
And those three letter agencies - who are they?
Sorry about the things that happened to you.

Thanks for the trade BitcoinFX!

“Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.”

— Satoshi Nakamoto

Not disputing that.  :)

Indeed that is why my list for accepting proof of the satoshi identity (cyrptographically) has five different points of empirical evidence.

There's nothing wrong with doing it,

a bit OT but i wouldn't say nothing because there are a couple of things wrong with using a bitcoin address/key instead of a PGP key.

well, Satoshi's key is in the repo for bitcoin.org: https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/blob/master/satoshinakamoto.asc (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/blob/master/satoshinakamoto.asc)

but not on the actual https://bitcoin.org website (maybe try to see if it's on the sitemap for bitcoin.org? I guess if it's in the repo, then the file _is_ somewhere on the website)


for historical purposes, isn't that enough? Satoshi doesn't work on Bitcoin now, so really that part of Bitcoin's story is just that: an old part of the story

The genuine Satoshi Nakamoto has a PGP Key, here:

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458.msg5772#msg5772

...snip...

the source code still contains the key[1] while the site seems to not have any link to make it accessible publicly.
maybe bitcoin.org needs a "historical" page that can include this key alongside other historical facts and clarify that this key was created 12 years ago and may not be safe anymore. although i don't think there is anything insecure about a 1024-bit DSA key.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/blob/master/satoshinakamoto.asc (permanent (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/blob/cde4ddb0e1d7a8c29e92ddc517ca0d4b1590016a/satoshinakamoto.asc))

Anybody who loves bitcoin should be thrilled to read the above archive page. The very first content that was put into http://bitcoin.org by satoshi.

Isn't Satoshi's mail hacked? satoshin@gmx.com

...snip...

As far as I know, the PGP key has never been signed or in fact been used to sign anything, whatsoever.

This indicates to me that the Key is still to be 'trusted'.

The GMX email service did not incorporate encryption in the web service back then.

So, in all likely hood this PGP key was generated on the very same machine that satoshi used to build and compile early Bitcoin (BTC) wallet releases.

Sorry,when this pgp key removed? it s new?

Hello bitcoinFX,
I don’t know if CWS is satoshi. But Craig Wright gived some details about end 2008 and ealier 2009 that i didn’t see somewhere else. I remember some details that i Wanted to match with all the writing in bitcoin and i found only is version which is closest to what i remember.

So i you have more detail about that period it would be greate to share it here.

Craig Wright is NOT satoshi nakamoto.

Retweeted. Hopefully there will be some response.

@BitcoinFX

you do realize that whether the filename is "satoshinakamoto.asc" or "satoshi_nakomoto.asc" makes precisely zero difference to if the key works or not?


you're _literally_ arguing about "what color to paint the bikeshed" here

For future reference, here's my public key.  It's the same one that's been there since the bitcoin.org site first went up in 2008.  Grab it now in case you need it later.

http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

Yesterday both Bitcoin.org and Bitcoincore.org received allegations of copyright infringement of the Bitcoin whitepaper by lawyers representing Craig Steven Wright. In this letter, they claim Craig owns the copyright to the paper, the Bitcoin name, and ownership of bitcoin.org. They also claim he is Satoshi Nakamoto, the pseudonymous creator of Bitcoin, and the original owner of bitcoin.org. Bitcoin.org and Bitcoincore.org were both asked to take down the whitepaper. We believe these claims are without merit, and refuse to do so.

Unfortunately, without consulting us, Bitcoin Core developers scrambled to remove the Bitcoin whitepaper from bitcoincore.org, in response to these allegations of copyright infringement, lending credence to these false claims. The Bitcoin Core website was modified to remove references to the whitepaper, their local copy of the whitepaper PDF was deleted, and with less than 2 hours of public review, this change was merged. By surrendering in this way, the Bitcoin Core project has lent ammunition to Bitcoin’s enemies, engaged in self-censorship, and compromised its integrity. This surrender will no doubt be weaponized to make new false claims, like that the Bitcoin Core developers “know” CSW to be Satoshi Nakamoto and this is why they acted in this way.

The Bitcoin whitepaper was included in the original Bitcoin project files with the project clearly published under the MIT license by Satoshi Nakamoto. We believe there is no doubt we have the legal right to host the Bitcoin whitepaper. Furthermore, Satoshi Nakamoto has a known PGP public key, therefore it is cryptographically possible for someone to verify themselves to be Satoshi Nakamoto. Unfortunately, Craig has been unable to do this.

We will continue hosting the Bitcoin whitepaper and won’t be silenced or intimidated. Others hosting the whitepaper should follow our lead in resisting these false allegations.

Posted to the Bitcoin.org Site Blog on 21 January 2021 by Cøbra

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