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Title: VPN regulations
Post by: Emily Perkins on November 10, 2020, 08:54:42 AM
There are so many VPN services and many traders use them to hide their residence country so they can use certain crypto-exchange or some other platform which prohibits some countries resindents from participation(which is very unfair in my opinion). I'm pretty sure the authorities in every country are pretty aware of it but still allow VPN services to carry on. Even in China you can use VPN and visit any webiste.
Why do they allow VPN's? Maybe it's just useless and authorities are able to identify user's location anyway but it marks those who use VPN and place them in some database.


Title: Re: Regulamentos de VPN
Post by: Sergio_CA on November 10, 2020, 02:05:11 PM
the use of vpn has the advantage that the access is encrypted, so the content of the access is not known, but the history is recorded


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: NotATether on November 10, 2020, 06:08:25 PM
The only way websites can figure out a user’s country is by looking at their IP address. A VPN just changes that to an IP address of another country. That means there is no way to distinguish a real person in the USA from some Chinese person using a US VPN for example.

They could use the GPS for identifying the location, since that can’t be changed by VPNs, but only mobile devices have one and browsers do not allow websites to access the GPS, for privacy reasons.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: countryfree on November 10, 2020, 11:25:34 PM
I'm using VPNs very often as I travel a lot, using wifi from hotels and the like, I've been blocked quite a few times. There are lists of IPs used by VPN services, and some people block those shared IPs.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: jseverson on November 11, 2020, 12:59:58 AM
Why do they allow VPN's? Maybe it's just useless and authorities are able to identify user's location anyway but it marks those who use VPN and place them in some database.

If I could guess, I would say that it's because VPNs have some legitimate uses outside of just using IPs from specific countries. It's not like they can flag every VPN user either, because all they can really do is compare a visitor's IP to a list of already known VPN IPs; this is why services like Netflix are able to block some, but not all VPNs (or more specifically, they can't block all VPN servers).

They could use the GPS for identifying the location, since that can’t be changed by VPNs, but only mobile devices have one and browsers do not allow websites to access the GPS, for privacy reasons.

I think just about every laptop comes with GPS nowadays, along with pre-built PCs. Your point still stands though, yeah.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: jackg on November 11, 2020, 01:23:03 AM
I'm using VPNs very often as I travel a lot, using wifi from hotels and the like, I've been blocked quite a few times. There are lists of IPs used by VPN services, and some people block those shared IPs.

I think this is really silly and can't decide if its the hotel's fault or the vpn providers.

Essentially, you SHOULD be allowed to use a vpn in a hotel because your data to the vpn is authenticated with stronger security and unless you have your own Hotspot/password then the hotel WiFi is extremely insecure and anyone can access anything you send through it (only if they don't give you your own password that is).


Why do they allow VPN's? Maybe it's just useless and authorities are able to identify user's location anyway but it marks those who use VPN and place them in some database.

VPN's enable tunnelled security techniques. The adverts that say "this von can protect you from dangerous public WiFi" isn't completely wrong. Especially if you connect to a site that doesn't have httos/TLS enabled or one that might be using a free certificate. But the security of a von may rely on the servers not being hacked too before you make an initial handshake with a site on the Internet.

There may be reasons for competition too. What if a company needed to check the oil price of a company in the US but only US customers could access it?


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: Emily Perkins on November 11, 2020, 11:23:00 AM
may I ask what are other legitimate uses other specific country's IP?

Why do they allow VPN's? Maybe it's just useless and authorities are able to identify user's location anyway but it marks those who use VPN and place them in some database.

If I could guess, I would say that it's because VPNs have some legitimate uses outside of just using IPs from specific countries. It's not like they can flag every VPN user either, because all they can really do is compare a visitor's IP to a list of already known VPN IPs; this is why services like Netflix are able to block some, but not all VPNs (or more specifically, they can't block all VPN servers).

They could use the GPS for identifying the location, since that can’t be changed by VPNs, but only mobile devices have one and browsers do not allow websites to access the GPS, for privacy reasons.

I think just about every laptop comes with GPS nowadays, along with pre-built PCs. Your point still stands though, yeah.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: Emily Perkins on November 11, 2020, 11:26:18 AM


That means a lot of data or international statistic maybe completely incorrect.

I'm using VPNs very often as I travel a lot, using wifi from hotels and the like, I've been blocked quite a few times. There are lists of IPs used by VPN services, and some people block those shared IPs.

I think this is really silly and can't decide if its the hotel's fault or the vpn providers.

Essentially, you SHOULD be allowed to use a vpn in a hotel because your data to the vpn is authenticated with stronger security and unless you have your own Hotspot/password then the hotel WiFi is extremely insecure and anyone can access anything you send through it (only if they don't give you your own password that is).


Why do they allow VPN's? Maybe it's just useless and authorities are able to identify user's location anyway but it marks those who use VPN and place them in some database.

VPN's enable tunnelled security techniques. The adverts that say "this von can protect you from dangerous public WiFi" isn't completely wrong. Especially if you connect to a site that doesn't have httos/TLS enabled or one that might be using a free certificate. But the security of a von may rely on the servers not being hacked too before you make an initial handshake with a site on the Internet.

There may be reasons for competition too. What if a company needed to check the oil price of a company in the US but only US customers could access it?


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: HeRetiK on November 11, 2020, 12:27:27 PM
There are so many VPN services and many traders use them to hide their residence country so they can use certain crypto-exchange or some other platform which prohibits some countries resindents from participation(which is very unfair in my opinion).

Fairness has nothing to do with it. Anything money related is a regulatory jungle and if one wants to run a legal business there often is no choice but to limit accessibility to clients that can be provided with service without breaking any laws.


may I ask what are other legitimate uses other specific country's IP?

VPNs are used by businesses so their employes can safely access company data or intranet pages from home or during business travels. Without VPNs no remote working would be possible.

Universities and academic institutes use VPNs to grant their students and researchers access to academic databases that could otherwise only be accessed on university / institute grounds.

And lastly, private individuals use VPNs to either access data from home or simply to protect their internet connection when traveling (e.g. when using public WiFi).


The ability to pretend to be from a different country is more or less just a side effect of how VPNs work.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: dothebeats on November 11, 2020, 04:59:28 PM
may I ask what are other legitimate uses other specific country's IP?

This can be seen on call centers that are outsourced by Western companies into countries like India, the Philippines and other countries where the pay for agents is significantly lower than those in their countries, though only a fraction of these businesses actually use VPN for VOIP call centers due to quality and overhead costs. There are other organizations that can choose to use VPNs for private matters, mostly to unblock restricted content or to just browse safely on the web. VPN is not really anti-regulation, though with the hands of the wrong people, that's another story.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: Fatunad on November 11, 2020, 08:26:07 PM
There are so many VPN services and many traders use them to hide their residence country so they can use certain crypto-exchange or some other platform which prohibits some countries resindents from participation(which is very unfair in my opinion). I'm pretty sure the authorities in every country are pretty aware of it but still allow VPN services to carry on. Even in China you can use VPN and visit any webiste.
Why do they allow VPN's? Maybe it's just useless and authorities are able to identify user's location anyway but it marks those who use VPN and place them in some database.

When it comes to total restriction then its quite true that we cant get rid of those users who do really tend to bypass and make use of VPN.
This is why other platforms doesnt really care that much if there were users that using up VPN. About storing on other database then we cant say such thing
but neither they might or might not able to consider on listing out those users but eventually they might be taking some measures incase if they
would be checked out by authority or that.


Title: Re: Regulamentos de VPN
Post by: mich on November 12, 2020, 07:09:52 AM
the use of vpn has the advantage that the access is encrypted, so the content of the access is not known, but the history is recorded

This is the reason I use a Vpn service its the Encryption.  I dont want some companies knowing my location but this doesnt mean I am hiding anything.  Its just about my own personal preference and my history is always being recorded (like you said.)


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: Ludmilla_rose1995 on November 20, 2020, 04:26:46 AM
The government in my country has blocked Binance from being able to access it, so I use a VPN to trade on the Binance exchange. a VPN just changes one's IP to a different country. However, the location of the location is still in the original location.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: Lorence.xD on November 20, 2020, 05:36:17 AM
VPN alone will not save you, if you do some intensive digging, you can easily find someone's real location. Maybe the reason that most VPN's are allowed is because they pay to operate in that country. I do believe the same thing about blocking bitcoin related websites, if they do not do harm then why not just set it loose, they can still monitor suspicious activities no matter what.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: Jeremy2000 on November 20, 2020, 08:46:42 PM
A  VPN offers organizations the opportunity to provide their employees access to a secure end-to-end encrypted connection to cloud resources on a company network. A corporate VPN encryption provides a secure network connection to the employee’s devices, no matter where employees are working.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: Theb on November 20, 2020, 09:59:35 PM
The government in my country has blocked Binance from being able to access it, so I use a VPN to trade on the Binance exchange. a VPN just changes one's IP to a different country. However, the location of the location is still in the original location.

Read the posts above you and you will see that changing locations/IP address is not the main use of VPNs, for personal use maybe but if we are talking about security and safety of your personal information this is the main use of VPNs. Also if you are using VPNs to bypass a website restriction just like what people in restricted countries do in gambling sites chances are they will be freezing your account and ask for your personal information proving that you are living in a unrestricted country. Another important thing to add is if you are using free VPNs there is a chance that these services already have a list of the IP addresses these VPNs are using and they would be able to detect you. I suggest that you just move your funds out of Binance and look for an alternative, but if you are living in a country where crypto trading is illegal you don't have any choice but to stop trading and don't even think about going to unreputable crypto exchanges as you will also be risking your money there.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: pixie85 on November 20, 2020, 10:25:25 PM
VPN alone will not save you, if you do some intensive digging, you can easily find someone's real location. Maybe the reason that most VPN's are allowed is because they pay to operate in that country. I do believe the same thing about blocking bitcoin related websites, if they do not do harm then why not just set it loose, they can still monitor suspicious activities no matter what.

There are VPN providers that delete logs so that when you close your session none of the sites you entered will be available for the authorities in case someone came after you.

Of course anybody can spot that you're using a VPN and a VPN provider will have a list of client IPs but they won't know which client IP connected with which host. That's if we believe what they're saying is true.

When I use VPN I'm not afraid that someone finds out but I don't want the host to know my current location.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: zasad@ on November 21, 2020, 07:16:51 PM
There are so many VPN services and many traders use them to hide their residence country so they can use certain crypto-exchange or some other platform which prohibits some countries resindents from participation(which is very unfair in my opinion). I'm pretty sure the authorities in every country are pretty aware of it but still allow VPN services to carry on. Even in China you can use VPN and visit any webiste.
Why do they allow VPN's? Maybe it's just useless and authorities are able to identify user's location anyway but it marks those who use VPN and place them in some database.
You can change your IP address to have access to a prohibited site or bypass restrictions on the exchange. But how will you get around the know your customer procedure?
You will have to use other people's documents and violate the laws of another country.
At best, your account will be blocked and you lose money, and at worst, you may have more serious problems.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: Harlot on November 30, 2020, 05:32:26 PM
I don't see any problems why people can't use VPN right now, changing IP addresses isn't really the main purpose of the VPN that's why we won't see any kind of strict regulation taking place. The problem will begin though is when you are using VPN to evade laws and actually use it to do illegal things but the use of the VPN itself won't get you in trouble just as long as you don't break any laws.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: aioc on January 02, 2021, 11:34:22 PM
I'm using VPNs very often as I travel a lot, using wifi from hotels and the like, I've been blocked quite a few times. There are lists of IPs used by VPN services, and some people block those shared IPs.

If you are a free user you'll going to get blocked IP's there are set of IP for their free and paid users I seldom encounter getting my IP blocked as a paid members, they will always get a new IP for paid users to replace those blocked IP'S, it will harm their reputation if their users are getting a lot of blocked IP's and it's also recommended to read reviews first before upgrading to paid users.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: dansus021 on January 03, 2021, 01:54:23 AM
There's big player in VPN industry tho and there is some paid vpn as low as 3$ if im not wrong, and if you search on google play there's dozen vpn but i don't recommended if u using free service you are the product there's some people say it


Title: Re: Regulamentos de VPN
Post by: fuer44 on January 06, 2021, 01:59:37 PM
the use of vpn has the advantage that the access is encrypted, so the content of the access is not known, but the history is recorded
for a moment, in VPN, we can change the country server that we can choose, right? does that mean even though we have changed the state server and we access the same site, because we hope that we enter in privacy to a site that may be difficult to access, allowing our history to remain recorded? if so, in my opinion VPN is still safe, because if someone is recorded accessing a dangerous site that is prohibited by the state and its history can be recorded, making it easier to track that user.

I rarely use VPN because the internet connection will be slow.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: vaultman on January 06, 2021, 03:00:27 PM
Most VPN services, upon the first request from government agencies, will give out all the data that you sent through their service. In fact, there are few VPN services that do provide anonymous internet access. One has only to look at the country in which the legal entity of the VPN company is registered and you will see that almost everyone participates in the agreements of 14 eyes, which cannot guarantee anonymity in any way.


Title: Re: VPN regulations
Post by: maculeth on January 09, 2021, 09:35:18 AM
vpn only changes our ip address to random. so, from our device to the provider, then vpn changes the ip from that provider to random so that we are invisible. but actually it's still easy to track and allows us to know our location and the sites we access.
in my opinion, the state should tighten the regulations on this VPN even more so that it is not misused to access prohibited or illegal websites.