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I do not know if this is FUD or not, but it got me thinking.... should Bitcoiners and Crypto enthusiasts use VPN's and how do we know they are keeping their word when they say that they are not storing your data?

Source : https://www.pcmag.com/news/7-vpn-services-found-recording-user-logs-despite-no-log-pledge

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How do we really know if they store data or not? (Any OpenSource VPN's out there?) ....Well, I personally feel it is risky and you should seriously think about this move, if you are using a VPN with sensitive information.

Let's discuss.......

There is no way, I repeat, no way to ensure that your VPN will not store your logs. Ultimately, when you're connecting using OpenVPN to their server, they can (and likely will) store logs of some form, anonymized or not. For that reason, I don't really recommend people to use VPNs with their wallet. It could potentially be detrimental to your privacy as it'll keep more detailed logs and your traffic has to flow through the VPN. Your trust now lies with the VPN provider instead of your ISP.

Tor is a much better alternative. And it's also free.

Exactly what @ranochigo said. I have tried several VPNs over the years and trust me, we can never make sure if the VPNs store our data or not.
TOR is the only alternative we can rely on but even that should be used carefully. The exit node is all that matters.
If we don't know what we are doing then our privacy will be at risk. I believe it is safer not to use VPNs at all.

P.S : There is another option of creating a private VPN yourself using cloud services but you have to be tech savvy to create a VPN yourself.

VPN can only help to some extent, but we need not to believe on VPN that are not decentralized, so far we make logging into the VPN services, that means they are able to keep users logs, and very possible governments can ask for their help to reveal hackers but not everyone and if they are not secure enough, hackers can hack the logs. If we think they are not keeping logs, that is just a wrong thinking. The best is to just go for decentralized VPN if existing, that one will have ways you do not have to provide anything about you. Or better still to just make use of Tor browser if someone wants to have privacy.

If you are in a country where there are restrictions regarding crypto activities there is nothing you can do than to use a vpn to access the restricted places,
People who find themselves in this situation don't have much choice unfortunately, I don't believe all the vpn service providers will act same, am sure some of them will to their word and protect users privacy, and I agree about decentralised vpn, if they are available it will be a better option otherwise you make do of what is available.

The use of VPN is usually to unblock, where the state does not give permission to access beyond the reach of state authorities.
so it imposes using vpn.
paid vpn is quite expensive, even then does not necessarily guarantee the security of personal data. Moreover, using a free VPN, for example, like in the Playstore.
not only personal data that can be sold, but it can result in malware attacks that will attack any device connected to the internet.

I think using a VPN often creates a false sense of security and privacy, and so I think it all ultimately depends on who is behind the VPN we use. Sometimes it makes sense for someone to use a VPN if they want to use a service that is blocked by their ISP, but this can often be a double-edged sword when a crypto-exchange or gambling site discovers that such software is being used.

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If you search by keywords you will find VPNs that claim to be open source, but for those who are not technically savvy (and most still aren't) it means nothing - because they all actually claim to protect user privacy, and on the other hand we know that huge money is in the game from the sale of user data.

Using VPN thereby also giving up data to the VPN provider. Anything, where you share your data, makes a user at risk. It's usually for gambling that a crypto user will try accessing, it's risky when the casino finds out while your funds are with them. 

Binance I think and other exchanges can recognize a visitor using VPN though and with that their AI might not be able to allow the user to register.

Maybe depends on the VPN you are using I currently used Express VPN and Nord VPN well I really think that it could be risky for users who are using such VPN since they can keep your password and personal information.

The phrase open sourced is often misconstrued and more often than not, it's used more of a marketing term for those who do not know better. It does not mean anything eitherways. Your connection still has to go through their server and there is a loophole for them to exploit at that point and can probably collect more data than you think. Being techsavvy or not, open sourced only guarantees that you can see the client that you run on the computer but you'll have no way of knowing what they're doing on the servers.

Anonymity and data privacy will always be the major concern not only with Bitcoiners or even crypto enthusiasts but also with other digital transactions.  In a digital world, we can't secure that all of our information and assets will be safe since hackers are always at large and would do everything to gain something for their own benefits and these VPN's can't guarantee that no data from their users will be safe and would have a leak for hackers.

We all know that in order for us to access their system we need to supply it first with our own private key and this must be remembered by their system for future usage and must be connected to our wallets.  So, therefore, I can conclude that VPNs do save data and information of their users which puts us and our assets at risk.

Especially, if you will use a free VPN, they are most prone to be compromised your security and also tracking your online activity.  I heard also that they might be selling your bandwidth.  However, if there's a difference between paid and free VPNs, I will not use them upon opening my sensitive information.

I think a lot of people use VPN in crypto. I use VPN just as often, even just because I feel safer.

I believe VPN is essential for for the majority of crypto enthusiasts, especially where the legal definition of cryptocurrency is not available. However, if you are using a free or open source VPN service, they will always keep your data and you may become vulnerable if a data breach happens.

So it's safer to use a no-log VPN like express vpn or surfsharks where they claim that they don't keep any logs. But it is really impossible for us to know what happens in reality!

VPN has its minus points when crypto enthusiasts use it for their Internet surfing.

- Services can have restrictions on VPN and people have to read Terms of conditions (ToS) or FAQ to know the sites they are using accept or not accept VPN. If they use VPN on a site does not allow, they will get troubles with account (account freeze, restrictions, etc.)
- VPN can cause automated account freeze because geographical location changes that are detected by platforms. They can automatically lock accounts for compromise or security reasons and people will have to open support ticket and get approval to have account access back.

I don't use VPN on any site that I can visit and use services with Tor and I think it is good to try with Tor browser before think of VPN.

VPNs make total sense if you're just going to prevent your ISP(and/or government authorities) from tracking your activity. Knowing that we're talking about the cryptocurrency space, it does make sense as to protect yourself to some degree if ever some sort of "crypto ban" gets implemented in the country you're in. Sure, it won't mean that they automatically can't find out about your past crypto activity, but the extra layer of security wouldn't hurt.

VPN contrary to popular belief does not really mask your geo location or prevent attacks. If someone use a geo sniffer on you then they can easily track you down, attacks on the other hand are very meticulous, they know how to bypass. VPN is just a private tunnel for you to access content outside your country to be honest. I do not see of using a VPN for crypto, in my opinion the best use is to create use a virtual machine. ISP's can still see what you are doing, they just don't want to meddle with your business unless authority has a reason to look into it.

You know what I think about people now is that, once they get an opportunity to have something or benefit from something, they would get it. Of course, you would trust them with your data to protect your usage data. It's hard to comprehend that they are willing to be that untrustworthy for the sensitive information unless they are in on it too. I have availed a VPN with a cost, and I'm hoping that their reputation would be a key factor in their trustworthiness. I'm not really sure anymore what to trust, but I hope paid ones don't store the data.

I know you have a choice as well whether you will use the OpenVPN or their actual servers.

This depends on the laws that apply in each country, currently there are many types of VPNs that are free but have a high risk for users compared to paid VPNs which are more secure.
Each VPN has its own advantages in terms of the level of security.

Free VPN risks include: Can hijack your data and can also tap into Cryoto transactions that you use, especially banking, theft.

So, from the one hand, using a VPN is good with the condition of using a paid one, to avoid dangers and risks in the future.
Honestly I have never used any kind of VPN in transactions or trading Cryoto.

Personally I don't get why people still buy into the idea of using free things, this days there are nothing like free as there is always a price to pay. Either you pay with selling out your freedom (as in your private information) or you pay with time (in regards the faucet). I use VPN and paid one for that matter, although my government have started showing positive signs towards the adoption of bitcoin, there was a period they were been very brutal on users caught to be participating in the industry which resulted to many of us hiding our identity.

VPNs bring about an extra layer of security, you'll need that if you're into a system that promotes been security cautious. Chosing the right VPN to use also has its advantages and most preferable we're encourage to patronize only decentralized ones. They have the most advantage as the chances of your identity getting leaked is out of the equation.

Ok, most replies on this thread agree that the users does not trust VPN's and that "Opensource" gives people a false sense of security. The goal of this thread is once again there to ask questions about the things we do on the internet and how "private" our data really are.

Bitcoin is money and we should treat it like the money that we have in our wallets or the money in our Bank accounts. (We do not trust Banks, so why should we trust VPN's?)

No matter what we do, we have to try to determine if the methods and tools that we are using ...are really protecting us. Do not transmit sensitive data through any VPN and this includes passwords to wallets and/or Private keys or the Seed to your wallet.  ;)

TOR is as risky as any of the private VPNs out there. How can you be sure that the entry node is not compromised in TOR? A number of dark market users were arrested during the previous years, after using compromised entry/exit nodes in TOR. On top of that TOR is really slow. If you want to do only the basic cryptocurrency transactions, then it should be OK. But for getting email confirmations and all, it can get frustrating.

I am using VPN not because I wanted to keep my privacy while browsing or surfing nor also that our country does not support the cryptocurrency or cryptocurrency is being ban. I used VPN because I wanted to bypass the prepaid load promo to which its data that is intended for facebook and messenger only could be converted to a regular data for browsing in the different sites.

But yes VPN is very effective when you do not wanted to get notice from any platform that ban users specifically to certain countries. They might not able to trace you where you came from but you must be careful not to be caught for if you do then they can suspend your account.

I would say
1) Avoid the free VPNs , I dont trust them
2) The paid VPNs - we don't know if they are even 100% safe but many people use them anyway
3) Always use 2FA on your accounts

That's not correct. Why would Tor be as risky if you're exposing whatever site you're visiting to the VPN explicitly? There's no difficulty in the VPN to obtain your IP address and your browsing history.

The traffic of onion websites (I presume you're talking about hidden services) doesn't go through the exit node. Entry node doesn't see your traffic, it's encrypted; it'll only know that your IP is using Tor but it can't see anything inside of the packet. I think a sybil attack would be the greatest cause of concern but given that your entry guard only changes once per 120 days, I think the chances of someone executing a sybil attack is greatly diminished, especially with the  resources required and the chances of success. Even if you're using a website in the internet, the exit node can only see what sites you're visiting, SSL Strip is not that big of a concern as the browser will always attempt to access the site using HTTPS. It can't trace back to the original IP.

Usually, when people reveal their own IP address, it's due to other de-obfuscating methods that are specifically targeted, which would've been way easier if it's a VPN under some jurisdiction. A court order would've probably allowed them easier access, even protonmail has to submit to court orders at times (though I believe the reason is very justified and they've done a very good job in ensuring the privacy).

If you're worrying about having a slow internet speed, then I think privacy is probably not your greatest concern. Having a good obfuscation comes at an expense of degraded browsing experience.

You need to understand that if you use a VPN for a specific platform and do it regularly, it is necessary that your IP address is constant, not dynamic, and it is also necessary that some other user does not sit at the same address. These are quite likely developments, since those who use free VPN services quite often fall for such things. Be careful and everything will be fine.

Tor Nodes are controlled by the FBI and most of the IP address in Tor are blacklisted for a reason.
I tried to login in a cryptocurrency platform using the Tor browser and it was a nightmare-constant captchas one after another and I eventually failed to login.
Most cryptocurrency platforms are directly blocking access via the Tor browser.
You decide how helpful is Tor and what alternative can Tor be to the VPNs.
I'm not a big fan of VPNs as well.It doesn't matter how "trustworthy" is the VPN you are using,some day your browsing data will get into the hands of FBI.

Source? That's one of the wildest assertion that I've heard in a while.
Correct and for a good reason.
It's done deliberately. That's why I don't support using most of the mainstream exchanges if you're trying to hide your identity. What's the use of hiding behind an obfuscation service if you're using an exchange which requires KYC validation?

Does a VPN/Proxy face the same problem? Perhaps, both Tor and VPNs could be used for similar purpose and some exchanges also treat them similarly.

The question is "Does the VPN really safe?and not saving our data's?Internet is a wide screen in which simple people can't understand or know.
We are only relying on what is being fed for us but the deeper factor remains unknown to us.

Lets just Hope that there will be no attack towards all crypto users via internet because that would be the end of each career and maybe the whole crypto also.

Even if the VPN client is fully open source and on Github for the world to see, you are connecting to remote IP addresses whose security, and level of server hardness only the operators know. So you are still counting on the administrators to not give up your IP address and sites visited.

So a VPN being open source doesn't prove much about trustworthiness as logs are collected server-side, but to say open-source VPNs provide a false sense of security is an exaggeration. They are certainly better than using closed-source VPNs, even if only marginally better.

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A few days ago I set up my own proxy using Squid, and the amount of logging it was collecting by default was nightmarish. I could see my IP and websites I was connecting to. I'm going to see if there's a configuration option to disable that as I don't ever read my logs.

Based on the question above, should crypto users use VPN. I think most of us have made our point and perhaps the answer is - it depends.

It depends on:
1. The country which users interacted with...
2. The way how we took care on our Personal Data Protection, but I found inconsistency here. Knowing that most of us couldn't fully and 100% protect our data far from the internet world (as we are part of it) the only thing we can make is at least we are aware of what we do in the internet especially on protecting our personal and confidential information.
3. Internet that we usually visited and user concern about its privacy may opt to use VPN.

Perhaps, these are few of many reasons why we need to use VPN. In fact, this is all about protecting our own personal data.

99% of VPN users would simply not use TOR because it can't provide the speed they need, and I would say that again 99% out of those don't really care about their logs, most of them are trying to obfuscate their country or a banned IP or create multiple accounts on some platform.
The rest 1% that would really care about it are either using ready TOR or their own customs VPNs or tunneling methods.


1 million points question:
Do you trust your ISP and your mobile carrier?  ;D

All VPN's mentioned here are free VPN. Even paid VPN's collect information let alone Free VPN. I don't think crypto users need to use VPN's. Because, no will be able to trace you with your Bitcoin address if you don't leave any clue. If you want to hide your Bitcoin uses you can use TOR. Read this quote from Satoshi.



So, you shouldn't use a free VPN by compromising your valuable data. You should use TOR instead.

Actually there is no safe place in internet ,so Maybe VPN is partly yes but not in totality as our data has been on air each time we use the process and no assurance that VPN is really far from using the Net.
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Good advise as we really don't know where is safe and not.

I personally don’t trust them like most of those who know how the whole thing works, but we are all forced to use some ISP and mobile network if we want to communicate and have access to information. Most also agree that VPN is not something that guarantees our privacy, and even TOR cannot be a 100% secure solution - and to be honest, the more we try to hide our online traces, the more intelligence agencies become interested in what we are actually hiding.

In fact, it's hard or almost impossible to be online and remain anonymous no matter what tools you use - so while there's a lot of fiction in the movies, some things aren't far from the truth. The resources and tools possessed by top security agencies are so powerful that sooner or later they will identify and locate anyone and anywhere in the world if that person is not completely off the grid.

Using VPN is having being anonymous in the internet or country is forbidden  in a particular site but it doesn't mean it is safe to use hence it is a third party program which means is more exposed and vulnerable from hackers in my humble opinion. I rather trust my ISP that I commonly used in daily basis wherein I am more familiar with trusted ever since I am into crypto currencies. In order to keep safe of our assets much practice more precautions and security measures before anything else with that we can assure our information's are safe.

Every gadget is not secured at all, and using VPN or anonymous page and so on will not save you from loosing your data. So everyone should remember this like his or her name always. It is very simple instruction how not to lose assets and data actually. Several easy rules. Lots of people just forget about them.

Some time ago some of my friends had difficulty logging into one of the crypto exchanges (Binance) and couldn't even enter. If he tries to access it, it will redirect to a positive government website address. Some alternative suggestions for logging in are to use a VPN app or set up DNS.
Many VPNs are free but I don't recommend them because they are dangerous unless they are paid (but this is not guaranteed). My second alternative would suggest set up DNS 1.1.1.1  from Cloudflare. Some articles write that this is a DNS service that does not log IPs, does not keep any activity logs and will delete browsing history automatically. Do you think this is safe or do you have any other suggestions?

No we can not know if they are spying on us but i think they are that is the hidden objective of vpn they want to keep everyone in check and they are , because the moment you connect your devise to vpn all of your data are uploaded to their servers and they can view everything about us, that is why we have to be carefull when we use vpn.

Basically there are not such as VPN not storing your logs either through the means of analyzing form or not. What i know about this log storage is, your ISP will definitely store your logs, but, in respect of cryptocurrency is; don't use the wallet with it own VPN becasue there are possibility of them storing your logs definitely. 

This is why I'm always thinking that we should channel more of our energy to solve the main problem while trying to avoid detection.

Rather than searching in vain for a bulletproof solution, we should take steps to prevent anyone from using those logs in a bad way by changing the laws, and if the parliament doesn't want then change the parliament. This is a never-ending game of cat and mouse, some of the mice will get away but the cat will still have its breakfast, no point in designing 100 escape routes, just get rid of the cat.


That's the problem with VPNs and ISPs
Your ISP knows and if doesn't it can find out in seconds you're using a VPN, from that point it's just two clicks on finding which and then sending some bs law enforcement signed papers and they have all your logs or if the VPN is indeed clean they will use their power to either make them comply or shut it down.

If you don't know how VPN works then don't bother to use it when logging in to an exchange. Fortunately, the government in my country is not that strict on using about crypto currency so that's why I can easily access the exchange without using a VPN.
Personally, I don't trust VPN when logging in to an exchange since you never know who's behind on that VPN that you are using, plus, the delay and you are basically running to a multiple network while logging in. Although, I don't know if they could really store your logs or not but I found it so risky.

Actually, it is about is safe to use VPN? I read about the risks of using VPN (moreover if it is free VPN)
https://www.addictivetips.com/vpn/dangers/
And probably there are still several other dangers of using VPNs. But in fact, actually, VPN has helped us much. I also don't thnk that it will give guaranteed securty and also store ideas to our fuly data backed. So, whta to do for best?

The harsh reality is that everything that is completely decentralized can be taken over by somebody with enough funds to do, decentralized, and especially pay as you go options like mysterium are easy targets. Besides, again you're fooling yourself by thinking that if you avoid censorship you can do this no matter what the authorities plan.


As I was saying, you're simply using a solution limited to what the authorities want, if they want to shut it down they can, you're playing the cat and mouse game but with the wrong character.

I have never even heard of any of those VPNs. I use CyberGhost and I actually don't care if my info is saved on the VPN. I realise they shouldn't be and I agree it's not good if they do but personally I am not worried.
I use a VPN to gain access to geo protected content or if I want to visit a website I am unsure of. Also for peer2peer file sharing.

I don't know why any VPN would keep your info. It is so much easier to just not keep it. It's just extra work. If the law ever wants info you just shrug your shoulders. I would only ever work with the law to help catch a serious criminal like someone dangerous.

I'm not sure what you guys are doing online that you feel the need to be so worried about this?

Using a VPN or not I think it depends entirely on the country in which you are living and the consequences for the behaviour you are incurring while using a VPN, most people that I know use a VPN because they want to avoid geographical restrictions that you get in many websites and in that case a VPN is perfect for that, and many people are not going to care about that information being exposed, but for someone that is trying to hide the fact that he is using bitcoin in a country in which this is illegal this could be a tragedy and he can only hope that his real identity was not linked with his use of bitcoin.

The worst part of VPN is that your VPN provider will be able to track your activity. So using VPN can be dangerous if the provider is not trusted. In all these cases I think it is better to use
TOR browser without using VPN, It is my personal perspective.

We shouldn't use VPN while accessing out wallet or any other important data like private keys, pasword and all because there is no guarantee that they would not store your data since all your data wand inputs will be passed through VPN instead of service provider directly. Unfortunately, people from some country has to use VPN due to restrictions on crypto by the relevant authorities as user are scared they will be tracked if they don't use VPN but VPN poses a greater threat to your data which which you access through VPN.

We have a decentralised VPN project named JACS which would possibly be better and relatively safer compared to other VPNs

Has this data been dumped? If so I would really like to see the 'activity logs'. Then we can finally know what kind of data "no log" VPN providers are logging.

I really don't recommend crypto users use VPN, because it is very risky for the data and crypto transactions that we do.
I myself have never used a VPN to make crypto transactions, but if you are in a country that prohibits cryptocurrency.
Indeed, one way to be able to make crypto transactions is to use a VPN, if you forced to use a VPN, you can use a paid
premium VPN, more secure than using a free VPN.

VPN is truly a means of business. In each and every business leads are much important. For this reason more backtracking takes place through these VPN services. Importantly VPN were used by people who are from countries that are against the usage of cryptocurrencies. People should have the awareness about VPN. I state gamblers using VPN services are making thyself into the scams.

The use of VPN's is basically snake oil and does nothing anonymous-wise. It is only used to hide your IP from potential "hackers" and does not provide anonymity for any, lets call it "intricate", events. Surprisingly there is no way to stay 100% anonymous on the internet. However, a good option compared to using a VPN is Tor or hosting your own offshore servers as your own VPN.

The safest thing to do is to buy your own dedicated server under a VPN. But it will cost you a decent amount of money. Using free services is the same as simply giving your data to fraudsters directly into their hands - never do this. As an alternative, paid dedicated servers, but this is also not a panacea. At the request of the government, they give out the addresses from which the VPN session took place.

I rented a VPS from DigitalOcean to use as my family's private VPN server, is this what you mean by renting a private server?
By doing this, the provider still can't collect our data?

https://i.postimg.cc/XvbksXYW/2020-12-03-16-40-31.png

Since the beginning, I didn't believe in the existence of VPN services, whether it's free or paid, they (third parties) still have the possibility to collect our data on the internet.
If this is the right and safer choice, then $ 5 per month should be enough for my family to rent a little private server specifically used for accessing sensitive data on cryptocurrencies, especially wallets with balances.

Bypassing geo protected websites is one of the things I can assure in using VPN. I don't fully trust some providers as they only offer cheaper anonymity. Looking forward to some of your suggestions, as TOR seems a good alternative way.

In my opinion VPN should be used in conjunction with DNS servers.  This will provide you with additional anonymity and privacy.  

The question also arises - does the VPN provider keep logs?  The ISP may claim that it does not store any logs, but we cannot verify this.  How secure is VPN?  Can hackers hack it?  Periodic independent VPN security audits are required.  

All these points need to be checked.  

However, no verification will give 100 percent guarantees.

i was looking for the name of popular vpn's on the pic of your post but i cant find any of them . what is on the pic are all non popular vpn and i dont use them . no wonder why people got thier data stolen because they love using any softwares that they found on the web but those vpn's are honest because they show what they are getting from the people that use thier service . i dont think high class vpn can do that and i dont see a simillar pic that they release  . im safe because i dont use vpn whenever i transact important matters .

Users can get caught using VPNs with exchanges and stuff. Coinbase seem very sensitive to region changes. If you forget to log in or out when hitting places like that they may freak out.

I find it slightly ironic that people fret about privacy then choose the crappiest free VPN to address it. You're placing a big chunk of trust in these places. Doing your homework is important.

We can't really tell if these VPNs are safe to use or not, but I don't see any reason to use these VPN's while making any transaction or while doing anything in the crypto sphere, except crypto is prohibited in your country, and if that's the case  I still don't think VPN are safe to use, because while they claim not to keep any logs they might be lying and it will be easy for the VPN provider to backtrack all your movements on the web, since they are probably keeping logs on web activities, for me the only VPN that can assure you true anonmity would be TOR, from what I read somewhere it is the best VPN service to use if you want to remain anonymous on the web.

if I think you should avoid VPNs because very dangerous. I have often hear someone wear VPN and then their assets just disappear, I until now still feel free and fear of use VPN, though not a lot of casualties but should be avoided before we own the victims. find a safe only, if such as there is a state of the force you wear VPN should avoid only.

You are Gambling using VPN ?Please be advised that There are gambling sites that Prohibit their Players in Using VPN so please be aware because if you won Big time then that would be the issue they will throw to you.
Meaning they were hacked?just Because of Using VPN?or they did not secure their Assets ,But yeah VPN since free is really not that trusted for me,Just like the public wifi that is not secure for us specially with Crypto in our pocket.

Some VPNs claim to delete logs after each session, so worst case scenario a hack will expose your real IP and some payment details used to subscribe. You don't have to use your real name and address if you pay with Bitcoin, like I did, so all the service provider has is my old bitcoin address (that's empty now), my fake name and an email address created just for this purpose.

I personally don't use a VPN because I don't really need it because my country is not restricting the websites I'm mostly using, I also believe that VPN does create a fake idea of security over the actual risk of using VPN. As a crypto user we know that some exchanges and casinos are now including that they prohibit the use of VPN in their TOS, So using VPN would actually make you and your funds in potential danger.

If you only need some privacy, It's better to just use TOR than some random VPN that shouts that they are FREE. It's a bad move if you are using a VPN when dealing with your assets.

I don't use any VPN anymore ever since I got into crypto and this is the exact same reason why.
Besides I don't have any reason to use it since I am earning already why would I try to risk my data or information to it.
I was using VPN before to have a free access to internet but I also know the risk that they could be storing our information with it.

For me? Nah ??? :o I no longer trust these VPN services or whatever and moreover I don’t even like them, even their user interfaces are usually pretty messed up. Everything about them always seem suspicious and there is no doubt that they are stealing information when you’re making use of them.

Another reason why I don’t bother with VPN any longer is because I don’t see the need for making use of them since I really don’t have anything to hide. Take for example when I am sending Bitcoin, why would I be needing a VPN? It’s not like I am doing some bad business ::).

I agree.

Looks like OP lives in a country like that. But using a VPN because let's say OP lives in a country in which banned bitcoin, declared it illegal, is not worth the risk at all. As what OP said, using a VPN is not really safe when it comes to your Bitcoin and to your current location, it's like looking for your own headache. Imagine, the police could trace you or the developer of the VPN you've used could expose all of the data of its user including you.

Your bitcoin could be gone, and you could be in jail for breaking the rules.

A VPN isn't really necessary when you feel safe and no one is stalking you.  Using a VPN must look at the function you want to use, which is to encrypt your data when surfing the internet.  Another reason is also because some websites are blocked and need a VPN to be able to access normally again.  The most dangerous risk of using a VPN is the use of a free VPN that is used by many people and not just you.  if you want to use a VPN service, you should use a premium VPN which is safer and only you access it.  VPN usage is also not the reason that business is bad, there are other reasons behind using a VPN.

In fact, we use VPN to surf the web anonymously. Just as there are advantages to using VPN, there are also some disadvantages. If you use VPN, your activity logs are saved in the VPN provider's database. They use browsing cookies features to collect information about the user. So, your VPN provider is not trusted, it is better not to use their service anymore.

like everything else VPNs also have their usages that means both advantages and disadvantages. TOR has always been a pain in the ass for me, it is also so much slower and visiting half the internet becomes almost impossible on it since everyone nowadays is using the shitty cloudflare protection that is always banning TOR visitors by sending them on an endless mission of "image clicking". that means even though VPN has its disadvantages, if i needed increased privacy i would go for a proper VPN.

No. I don't think you understand how a VPN works. They are not meant to "secure your data" all; they do is mask your traffic so your ISP can't see what is going on. They can still see you are using a VPN though.
Just because 1 VPN didn't work for you doesn't mean they all are. Which VPN did you use? A VPN doesn't cover your tracks but rather obscures them. The tracks are there but you cannot see what they are.
You got a ban because the website knew you were using a VPN. WEbsites will tell you at the beginning or in their terms or even their FAQ that you will be banned for a VPN. You would also get banned while using TOR.
Who says it is better than most VPNs out there? If that was true I would be using it to stream USA content.

That's why we shouldn't use those unknown free vpn's since we never knew what the developer put on their data and might they are just phising our informations and to scam or their users. I used paid vpn and so far for 7 years of using it I never encounter any serious issue so I think the danger will vary depends on your selected vpn provider.

It's true but if a users not into gambling then maybe he can use it tho, as long as his exchange site his using are not that too sensitive when it comes of VPN, therefor those country who's illegal from using bitcoin i think they can safely use bitcoin as long a it is private, Somehow i use vpn for some purposes reason but then i always reads those reviews and recommendation this is much more important for a safety of you information because once they knew maybe they will hack you and rob all your bitcoin.