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Title: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 03, 2020, 06:53:28 PM
I think maybe with the Distruptive Technology aspect of Bitcoin in FinTech, and early denials from the MIT crowd that Bitcoin would ever be $1,000, and then everything borne from them being wrong, led to an ignorance to reality.

Maybe Satoshi releasing Bitcoin open source was not fortune, but Fate.

When a Woman steals another Womans baby, and King Solomon, a man after God's own heart, is asked to determine who owns the Baby, he suggests they each take half. The mother at that point says the thief can keep the Baby so it may live, and King Solomon knows this is the mother and gives the Baby back.

This same concept can be seen when the Carthaginians, a Cannanite Colony which grew to control the Mediterranean believing in Fate, let Rome take control when they stole the Carthaginian Boat model, and took control. The Carthaginians saw it as Fate, they did not want to split the Baby. They did not want War over something they only controlled because they were the masons, farmers, merchants and linguists, not because they were an iron fist over the Sea. So they let it go, likely expecting things to not change too much.

This is Fate, and we can see it on the Blockchain.

ASICs got too powerful, Litecoin was made and everyone gave ASICs the Baby. Then it happened over and over.

Then the ETH Fork, the end of the World as some Billed it. But, everyone survived with their communities. You could maybe say they split the Baby there, but really they were after their own babies and all got their own babies.

Steemit and Hive, TRON and LGCY.

Christians call it "Degrading" from a Golden Age with Adam and Eve, and Crypto traders might frame it the same way. Bitcoin was a Golden age and now we have a Million Alts.

It is Fate. And I will get deeper into these concepts in this thread using the Tarot suit of Pentacles.


Title: Fundamentals
Post by: Tokenista on December 03, 2020, 08:36:08 PM
In Egypt there were several non-understood Wax and Metal blobs and other shapes, and no one knew what they were in the modern world until Flinders Petrie studied Ancient Egyptian Board Games and realized they were weights for Scales to measure other things. All Wax in Egypt was Beeswax.
https://archive.org/details/ERA39

"All perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the Akasha (आकाश) or luminferous ether, which is acted upon by the life giving Prana (प्राण) or creative force, calling into existence, in never-ending cycles all things and phenomena."
-Nikola Tesla, in 'Man's Greatest Achievement'

There are 2 ways to look at a card deck. 1 is the common one, Fortune, Gambling, suits representings Numercial Value.

The other way, is to see the 52 Cards as 52 Weeks, the 4 Suits as 4 Seasons. Fate. The Tarot Deck is the same as a Playing Card Deck.

From there, each of the 52 Cards and 4 Weeks contain Moon Calendar Values, and Astrological Value based on the Week. In the 52 Weeks is 12 Months and the 12 Astrological signs. These are then associated with Birth Stones, Plants, etc.

There is Fortune, then there is Fate.

The Greek Hyperion is Khepri. Hyperion is said to have mapped the Sun, Moon and Stars. He is the force moving the Sun. Theia is Wadjet, the Atomic force of the Sun and Ra's representative on Earth. The Ptolemic Greeks called Leto Wadjet, but that is mistaken.

Khepri mapped the Stars as a Dung Beetle rolling a ball across the Sand, using the Sun, Moon and Milky Way to guide it. The Milky Way is the Egyptian Goddess Bat.

Roman Numerals is where our Math Originated, with other Number systems. Before that, the Alphabet was the letters and Numbers for most people. In North Africa they used Geometry to do Calculus, and weighed instead of counting. The weight was the Count in many cases, the same way money is weighed now with 1g representing a bill x $100 when measuring massive amounts. Like the phrase "worth its weight in Gold". In Carthage this was how it worked.


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Punic Statues with #PunicWax depicted on their heads, and Serapis (the Greek Apis) with a similar object that symbolizes success. Punic Wax and the Apis Sun disk are likely the Origins of the Christian Halo imagery with Angels and Saints.

This is the Goddess Tannit, with Punic Wax on her head and Beeswax in her hair
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Part of what we are doing with #PunicWax is educating everyone like an awareness project to get people informed, then we are reviving old recipes and expanding on them as well as putting them to modern use (Soap, Incense, Candles, Paint, etc). We are creating a Mystery School, for the connection of the Physical Body with the Spiritual World. In Ancient Egypt the word Heka means both "Magic" and "Medicine". Chemistry ties very directly into perfumery, soaping, farming, etc. This is Alchemy.

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People like to look at the Ancient World and say it is all just people misunderstanding things when they personify natural things as deities, not idols, but the Sun, the Moon, Dancing, Motherhood, Marijuana, Ayahuasca, Wine, etc. Then they go on from that point of view to say that all the cultures deities were different, which is True, but not like they are saying.

Jaweh and Allah are so different because they are based on separate Ancient deities, one of the Jews and one of the Arabs (likely learned or adapted from mysteries they learned in Delos or had originally brought there). And the deities are different in the Ancient Religions, but to just say that plainly and with all the implications and no caveat is to ignore facts.

Africans discovered the Planets, called the 7 Heavens or 7 Heavenly bodies in the traditions of people hiding their Ancient Religion in Christianity, this is called Gnostic Christianity. I originally at the age of 14-15 identified my Gods, after seriously considering it, converting to different religions, as the Egyptian Gods. But I saw that Egypt passed down what they had to the Sumerians and Greeks, and if you look at the Indus Valley Civilization and other places there are other evidences.

When I converted to Hinduism at 14-15, it was because it is the only Religion that was never replaced. Hinduism is the same Ancient Religion it has always been, with a few changes and absorbing Gods like Jesus, and Schools like Theosophy. I became Hindu because we all are already Hindu, it is the natural Religion. Pashupati is the original Shiva and still has Temples and is a form of Shiva and Rudra. Pashupati is also Pan, whose reed pipes were held together with Beeswax and he was a bee God. It is all Mnemonic and the Ancient Gods are real.

https://medium.com/@jyotikhetan_17523/virupaksha-the-kali-d7cfac68fd2b

#PunicWax #SynapticReincarnation

One form of Reincarnation is Synaptic Reincarnation. To understand how your Memory and Thought work, you have to understand 4 words, then 2 more words. This is similar to hearing a song and suddenly remembering or feeling like the day you first heard it.

1. Neuron - a Brain Cell

2. Dendrites - the Arm of a Brain Cell reaching out to other Brain Cells, when this happens and pathways are made it is called Cognition

3. Electrochemical Signals - the Communication method between Dendrites

4. Synapses - each Electrochemical pulse or communication moves through and by Synapses

So now you understand Brain Cells communicate by Dendrites and Synapses using Electrochemical Signals.

Recongition

Re-Cog, Cog like a gear in a Machine

Re-Cognize, basically "to get the gears moving".

1. Recognition

2. Schema

So if I have a schema, mental categorical perspective in my mind, where where I hear "Chair" I think wooden chair, but you hear "Chair" and think sofa, or maybe you think camping chair, or recliner, we have separate schema. If I match an Ancient Schema, or Ancient Mental Categorical Perspective, then get the gears moving. I have committed Synaptic Reincarnation.

Now, with the modern discovery of Neurogenesis, or the birth of new Brain Cells which happens by way of Marijuana. You now can have a number of entry points attached to existing Cognitive Pathways, there is even clinical evidence of this in regards to short term memory loss, which seems to be a mechanism for saving space for the new pathways on the long term memory.

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A short history of the Library of Alexandria:

The Library is founded by Ptolemy, and the person put at the head is chosen by Aristotle (Alexander's tutor), he chooses Demetrius of Phalerum. It starts off Aristocratic (Class based rather than propositions of a whole) under Aristotle, so it becomes a tyrannical pursuit for knowledge, confiscating books, fueding with other libraries, and with no actual function for the collected books.

The books are then catalogued and organized some time later. The Library becomes more of what it was meant to be and several things are discovered and invented there, the whole city becomes advanced and Hydraulics are invented along with several other things including the Steam Engine, but they did not realize the scalability.

Then Rome has a Civil war between Ceasar and Pompey, and the Alexandrians kill Pompey when he comes. Ceasar comes a few days later and comes with a show of strength and it starts a riot, where the Romans are forced into the palace and eventually set fire to the ships in the harbor to take control and escape.

100 years later it is investigated and thought that around 400,000 books were burned in the fire. When the Christians take power a Mathematicians daughter has a following in Alexandria, but she is Pagan and influencing the leader so they skin her with Oyster shells and kill her. When the Muslims come they ask a Librarian what they have there and he tells them there are 40,000 priceless works, and they say if it is in line with the word of God they don't need it, and if it is not then it ought be destroyed. So it is said it was commanded that the Library be used to fuel the fires to heat the bath houses.

Long version here:
https://lithub.com/the-life-and-death-of-the-library-of-alexandria/


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: mu_enrico on December 04, 2020, 02:32:54 AM
About the story of splitting the baby, it was King Solomon, not David.
I used to call this way of thinking "cocoklogi" in my language, as you tried to match here and there to fit the (pre-made) narrative. Except you put more story to economics, there is a great chance that this thread will be moved to the off-topic.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 04, 2020, 04:33:28 AM
About the story of splitting the baby, it was King Solomon, not David.
I used to call this way of thinking "cocoklogi" in my language, as you tried to match here and there to fit the (pre-made) narrative. Except you put more story to economics, there is a great chance that this thread will be moved to the off-topic.

Thanks, lol. Fixed it to Solomon.

This is a Bitcoin and Crypto Tech Economics thread, just with an Ancient perspective. My next post will be a Tarot Card and the role it is representing in Society. Lots of Ancient Fate and Fortune quotes coming too.

It is Economics though. Cryptocurrency is Currency even if Digital.

It is a Trade Instrument.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: bits4books on December 04, 2020, 04:56:40 AM
It is Economics though. Cryptocurrency is Currency even if Digital.

It is a Trade Instrument.
If tomorrow everyone suddenly decides that BTC is not worth an egg (or a dollar, if you like), then your "trading tool" will turn to dust.
The essence of any currency is still a social contract for accepting it as equivalent of value.
If no one wanted to use BTC for payments, it would never take off. You write quite lengthy posts pitch your token (freedom reserve) but do not even want to admit that if you act in direct total confrontation with the entire civilized world and govs, then you will only achieve that your token (like any) will only be suitable for trading and shady markets


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: davis196 on December 04, 2020, 07:45:56 AM
I don't understand what exactly are you trying to say with your post?
I wouldn't compare the crypto market with some Biblical tails about King Solomon.
The crypto market is a free market.Every programmer,who is good enough at coding can create it's own altcoin.This is both good and bad,but competition and diversity are an important aspect of every market economy.
When you start a new project,you have to believe that the project will be successful and you have to convince other people in your ideas and your "faith".
Perhaps other people might view your new project as some sort of "fate",but I don't think that fate or destiny have anything to do with the world of business and technology.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Ucy on December 04, 2020, 03:59:35 PM
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When a Woman steals another Womans baby, and King Solomon, a man after God's own heart, is asked to determine who owns the Baby, he suggests they each take half. The mother at that point says the thief can keep the Baby so it may live, and King David knows this is the mother and gives the Baby back.
I believe you mean Solomon at the bolded part where you mentioned King David.  
David was called a man after GOD's own heart, by the way

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This same concept can be seen when the Carthaginians, a Cannanite Colony which grew to control the Mediterranean believing in Fate, let Rome take control when they stole the Carthaginian Boat model, and took control. The Carthaginians saw it as Fate, they did not want to split the Baby. They did not want War over something they only controlled because they were the masons, farmers, merchants and linguists, not because they were an iron fist over the Sea. So they let it go, likely expecting things to not change too much.
If things like that was destined by GOD to happen (assuming it really happened), there is nothing anyone can do to change/stop it. Better not to waste time to fight or go to war against it.     It's always important to know the Will of the CREATOR concerning any matter so you don't go against HIS Will which could be very disastrous for anyone that stubbornly dares.


In regards to ASICs, I think if you look harder you could find something portable and far more energy efficient.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: sheenshane on December 04, 2020, 04:52:30 PM
I wouldn't compare the crypto market with some Biblical tails about King Solomon.
I tend to agree, I don't see any resemblance between the two, the biblical story of King Solomon and the Crypto world or the economy are two different stories regardless of faith or fate.  If we are going to talk about the fate of the economy then Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are fated to come up and make some changes in the world economy not to split the people beliefs that half of the population will stick to fiat and the other half into Bitcoin or cryptocurrency which is supposed to be one.

I may just consider this as an evolution of currency that fits in our current economic state in other words "survival of the fittest" which may come to one resolution that bitcoins and cryptocurrencies will be the answer and suits to our economic condition.


Title: 10 of Pentacles
Post by: Tokenista on December 04, 2020, 07:25:35 PM
Melqart is Hercules
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Hannibal was a faithful worshiper of Melqart: the Roman historian Livy records the legend that just before setting off on his march to Italy he made a pilgrimage to Gades, the most ancient seat of Phoenician worship in the west. Hannibal strengthened himself spiritually by prayer and sacrifice at the Altar of Melqart. He returned to New Carthage with his mind focused on the god and on the eve of departure to Italy he saw a strange vision which he believed was sent by Melqart.[10]

A youth of divine beauty appeared to Hannibal in the night. The youth told Hannibal he had been sent by supreme deity, Jupiter, to guide the son of Hamilcar to Italy. “Follow me,” said the ghostly visitor, “and see that that thou look not behind thee.” Hannibal followed the instructions of the visitor. His curiosity, however, overcame him, and as he turned his head, Hannibal saw a serpent crashing through forest and thicket causing destruction everywhere. It moved as a black tempest with claps of thunder and flashes of lightning gathered behind the serpent. When Hannibal asked the meaning of the vision the being replied, “What thou beholdest is the desolation of Italy. Follow thy star and inquire no farther into the dark counsels of heaven.”

Carthage lost the War, and Carthage was destroyed, because the Mago family, another Member of the Counsel of Families which ran Carthage, disagreed with the Barcas (Hannibal's family), and convinced the Counsel to let him fight Rome himself, which he did and ruled Italy for 15 years.


Ten of Pentacles

It is often associated with family matters, financial matters or a mix of the two.Some sources associate it with affluence or even riches. It may reflect a working environment.

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I will go through the numbers in descending order, then the face cards.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Husires on December 04, 2020, 07:41:22 PM
I do not think that the open source code of Bitcoin is what made it so strong, which is what made all the altcoins continue, but the continuation of the miners and the full nodes in making the network stable.

All altcoins have arisen to solve Bitcoin problems, some of which are caused by the greed of developers and trying to make a lot of money or get more bitcoin.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: palle11 on December 04, 2020, 07:53:26 PM
I wouldn't compare the crypto market with some Biblical tails about King Solomon.
I tend to agree, I don't see any resemblance between the two, the biblical story of King Solomon and the Crypto world or the economy are two different stories regardless of faith or fate.  If we are going to talk about the fate of the economy then Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are fated to come up and make some changes in the world economy not to split the people beliefs that half of the population will stick to fiat and the other half into Bitcoin or cryptocurrency which is supposed to be one.

I may just consider this as an evolution of currency that fits in our current economic state in other words "survival of the fittest" which may come to one resolution that bitcoins and cryptocurrencies will be the answer and suits to our economic condition.

I don't even look at op thread as evolution story and currency history but he is writing much about Egypt and bible which makes it awkward somehow. I think he is trying to paint out the unbelievable story of bitcoin. Many doubted bitcoin and didn't invest early and now bitcoin has become a good decision for people who had the confidence that they were taking good decision, like king Solomon did to the baby in knowing the mother.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 04, 2020, 08:00:06 PM
I do not think that the open source code of Bitcoin is what made it so strong, which is what made all the altcoins continue, but the continuation of the miners and the full nodes in making the network stable.

All altcoins have arisen to solve Bitcoin problems, some of which are caused by the greed of developers and trying to make a lot of money or get more bitcoin.

I think the best way to put it for someone new from ththe outside is, Bitcoin used to be all about Decentralization, Creating a Self-Banking world with Digital Currencies, with an Unerrorable Ledger because of the nodes created by miners.

But now,
A lot of the people that were espousing those ideas and earning a lot of money decided, "I got mine, go do something else please".

This was best expressed in about 2015/16 when the guy Joe Rogan used to have on his Podcast came out saying "Mining Bitcoin is our job, everyone go away please, no new miners".

This was before the bottleneck. But just that mentality, like "Go away, we got ours". It just doesn't seem like Decentralization to me, it seems like a way to Dead End your Ecosystem.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 05, 2020, 03:02:27 AM
"The state is suffering from two opposite vices, avarice and luxury; two plagues which, in the past, have been the ruin of every great empire." -Livy

"It is when fortune is the most propitious that she is least to be trusted." -Livy

"Nowhere are our calculations more frequently upset than in war." -Livy

"He would not anticipate those counsels which are rather bestowed by circumstances on men, than by men on circumstances." -Livy

"I observe that while several modern writers deal with particular wars and certain matters connected with them, no one, as far as I am aware, has even attempted to inquire critically when and whence the general and comprehensive scheme of events originated and how it led up to the end. I therefore thought it quite necessary not to leave unnoticed or allow to pass into oblivion this the finest and most beneficent of the performances of Fortune. For though she is ever producing something new and ever playing a part in the lives of men, she has not in a single instance ever accomplished such a work, ever achieved such a triumph, as in our own times. We can no more hope to perceive this from histories dealing with particular events than to get at once a notion of the form of the whole world, its disposition and order, by visiting, each in turn, the most famous cities, or indeed by looking at separate plans of each: a result by no means likely. He indeed who believes that by studying isolated histories he can acquire a fairly just view of history as a whole, is, as it seems to me, much in the case of one, who, after having looked at the dissevered limbs of an animal once alive and beautiful, fancies he has been as good as an eyewitness of the creature itself in all its action and grace." -Polybius

"It is a course which perhaps would not have been necessary had it been possible to form a state composed of wise men, but as every multitude is fickle, full of lawless desires, unreasoned passion, and violent anger, the multitude must be held in by invisible terrors and suchlike pageantry. For this reason I think, not that the ancients acted rashly and at haphazard in introducing among the people notions concerning the gods and beliefs in the terrors of hell, but that the moderns are most rash and foolish in banishing such beliefs." -Polybius

"Had previous chroniclers neglected to speak in praise of History in general, it might perhaps have been necessary for me to recommend everyone to choose for study and welcome such treatises as the present, since men have no more ready corrective of conduct than knowledge of the past. But all historians, one may say without exception, and in no half-hearted manner, but making this the beginning and end of their labour, have impressed on us that the soundest education and training for a life of active politics is the study of History, and that surest and indeed the only method of learning how to bear bravely the vicissitudes of fortune, is to recall the calamities of others. Evidently therefore no one, and least of all myself, would think it his duty at this day to repeat what has been so well and so often said. For the very element of unexpectedness in the events I have chosen as my theme will be sufficient to challenge and incite everyone, young and old alike, to peruse my systematic history. For who is so worthless or indolent as not to wish to know by what means and under what system of polity the Romans in less than fifty-three years have succeeded in subjecting nearly the whole inhabited world to their sole government — a thing unique in history? Or who again is there so passionately devoted to other spectacles or studies as to regard anything as of greater moment than the acquisition of this knowledge?" -Polybius

"How striking and grand is the spectacle presented by the period with which I purpose to deal, will be most clearly apparent if we set beside and compare with the Roman dominion the most famous empires of the past, those which have formed the chief theme of historians. Those worthy of being thus set beside it and compared are these. The Persians for a certain period possessed a great rule and dominion, but so often as they ventured to overstep the boundaries of Asia they imperilled not only the security of this empire, but their own existence. The Lacedaemonians, after having for many years disputed the hegemony of Greece, at length attained it but to hold it uncontested for scarce twelve years. The Macedonian rule in Europe extended but from the Adriatic region to the Danube, which would appear a quite insignificant portion of the continent. Subsequently, by overthrowing the Persian empire they became supreme in Asia also. But though their empire was now regarded as the greatest geographically and politically that had ever existed, they left the larger part of the inhabited world as yet outside it. For they never even made a single attempt to dispute possession of Sicily, Sardinia, or Libya, and the most warlike nations of Western Europe were, to speak the simple truth, unknown to them. But the Romans have subjected to their rule not portions, but nearly the whole of the world and possess an empire which is not only immeasurably greater than any which preceded it, but need not fear rivalry in the future. In the course of this work it will become more clearly intelligible by what steps this power was acquired, and it will also be seen how many and how great advantages accrue to the student from the systematic treatment of history" -Polybius

"When a state after having passed with safety through many and great dangers arrives at the higher degree of power, and possesses an entire and undisputed sovereignty, it is manifest that the long continuance of prosperity must give birth to costly and luxurious manners, and that the minds of men will be heated with ambitious contests, and become too eager and aspiring in the pursuit of dignities. And as those evils are continually increased, the desire of power and rule, along with the imagined ignominy of remaining in a subject state, will first begin to work the ruin of the republic; arrogance and luxury will afterwards advance it; and in the end the change will be completed by the people; when the avarice of some is found to injure and oppress them, and the ambition of others swells their vanity, and poisons them with flattering hopes. For then, being inflamed with rage, and following only the dictates of their passions, they no longer will submit to any control, or be contented with an equal share of the administration, in conjunction with their rules; but will draw to themselves the entire sovereignty and supreme direction of all affairs. When this is done, the government will assume indeed the fairest of all names, that of a free and popular state; but will in truth be the greatest of all evils, the government of the multitude." -Polybius


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: sana54210 on December 05, 2020, 04:37:01 PM
I doubt that the improvements and changes will be seen as fate in crypto world because bitcoin could be one of the worst blockchains in the world yet it is more than 60%+ of all the crypto coins in marketcap.

I know that it was the first, and before bitcoin there was nothing that could guarantee the safety and security of your money like blockchain could, bitcoin when it was first created gave us the blockchain that we all look like right now, without bitcoin we wouldn't have all these improvements.

However looking into blockchain world right now, I would say even the closest rival ETH has 10x better blockchain than bitcoin could ever dream of, and there are tons of other ones that are coming up much better closer as well, like how tron is both capable of doing what eth can do but also for nearly free. The reason things are not left in fate and older ones insist on keeping higher is us, not them.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 05, 2020, 11:41:00 PM
I doubt that the improvements and changes will be seen as fate in crypto world because bitcoin could be one of the worst blockchains in the world yet it is more than 60%+ of all the crypto coins in marketcap.

I know that it was the first, and before bitcoin there was nothing that could guarantee the safety and security of your money like blockchain could, bitcoin when it was first created gave us the blockchain that we all look like right now, without bitcoin we wouldn't have all these improvements.

However looking into blockchain world right now, I would say even the closest rival ETH has 10x better blockchain than bitcoin could ever dream of, and there are tons of other ones that are coming up much better closer as well, like how tron is both capable of doing what eth can do but also for nearly free. The reason things are not left in fate and older ones insist on keeping higher is us, not them.

Yes, this is most apparent if you look at the Transactions Per Second (TPS)

Just as an example, Graphene which runs Steemit and OpenLedger.io claims 100,000 TPS and has Steem-Engine, SMTs, etc, on top of Steemit.

Ethereum, which is also EXP, and others, are like 15-30 TPS with all the dApps, Token Contracts, etc. TRON claims 2,000 TPS.

Bitcoin is as something like 5-9 TPS, which is great for trading, 5-9 Transactions per second allows for a lot in 1 minute, and CounterParty was built on it, as well as Color Coins, but the Bitcoin Sidechains as the dApps like that are called, are not full of functionality like the large number of Smart Contracts ETH holds up with the EVM and TRON the TVM. EOS is also from ETH, but has 100,000 TPS due to additions by the same people that made Stermit.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: jaysabi on December 06, 2020, 12:07:03 AM
There's no such thing as fate; things happen the way they happen, but not because they were predetermined.  Further, predeterminism is a dangerous way to look at bitcoin that tells folks they don't need to think critically or pay attention to the environment.  Bitcoin isn't fated to replace the dollar, it isn't fated to go to the moon.  Blindly believing such things is a recipe for financial disaster because it ignores the risk component of holding bitcoin.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 06, 2020, 04:40:04 PM
There's no such thing as fate; things happen the way they happen, but not because they were predetermined.  Further, predeterminism is a dangerous way to look at bitcoin that tells folks they don't need to think critically or pay attention to the environment.  Bitcoin isn't fated to replace the dollar, it isn't fated to go to the moon.  Blindly believing such things is a recipe for financial disaster because it ignores the risk component of holding bitcoin.

You don't think there a number of events that are not necessarily predetermined, but inevitable?

You don't see how the Suit of Pentacles, is the Playing Card Suit of Diamonds, and does not represent money, but any Precious Metal, Gemstone, Currency, etc. Including non-Tangible Currency, such as Affluence mentioned on the 10 of Pentacles.

The 10 of Pentacles could also be seen to represent the different Tribes associated with each Blockchain. There are things that are simply bound to happen. This is what meant when people say "History repeats itself" and others who say "History does not repeat itself but it ryhmes". And the Bible saying "there is nothing new under the Sun" which also has an expanded meaning in terms of human made creations, which again emphasizes the point that Gold, is Currency, is Cryptocurrency, there is nothing new under the Sun and Fate will be what Fate will be, regardless of the new Medium we choose to operate with, it is the same thing.

No one is smarter than an Ancient Egyptian, you just have more books, and the benefit of Imhotep's inventions, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Hippocrates, Jesus, Da Vinci, the U.S. Founding Fathers, everything they had access to, and now Cell Phones, WiFi, Public Education, etc. You have the same mental capabilities as those Ancient Egyptians that started Civilization.

I wrote this years ago on Facebok

Democracy is not meant to be any harder than forming a Tribe, and Democracy is not just meant for Governments. There is supposed to be Democracy inside Religious bodies as well as within Political parties themselves.

The voting body or city was known as the "Polis", and the Center of the Polis was the Agora. In some places the Agora had elaborate temple structures in order to maintain different functions that the groups did there, but when they first started they were usually as simple as an area marked by Stones as a border. The People would gather at the Agora and cast their votes.

As the Agora was used more and more, and functions were decided, structures would be built along the edges of the Agora, but the center was usually left as a wide open space for people to gather. the buildings they usually built were Court Houses and Town Halls and stuff. Extended Porticoes were sometimes used so that functionality of the space was not lost in bad weather. Sometimes Porticoes were built pretty much as their own structures, with a line of rooms at the back, which could be used as offices. Statues dedicated to different groups would be kept at these places, so that they could all gather in their individual groups or together.

The Polis itself was a larger reflection of the Agora. It would start off as a region of land which a group of people claimed as their own, with Borders such as rivers, mountains, etc. and slowly through the democratic process, groups were formed and projects were started, until farms were growing and cities were booming.

Leagues and Hegemonies operated like the modern United States or EU, or United Nations, in order to get things done between different nations and work together in times of war.

Eventually the Polis itself became Warlike and only eligible military members could vote, this eventually evolved into what is known as the Police, Policia, or the Polis. During Hellenistic times the Polis became a battle between Rich Oligarchs, and poor but armed citizens.

Today we can see most of the Polis and Agoras purpose being utilized in Universities, but not in too many other places.

Archive keeping is an important part of Government and Democracy. If people do not have information from past generations, then they can not make decisions for the future, at least not without running in to problems that would have been avoided if they had information about previous generations.

In Ancient Greece the most well kept archives were Law, lists of Public Representatives and the Winners of Sporting events. This is not much different from now, except now there is also the occasional story about someone who saves some animals, or starts a homeless shelter, or has an event, etc. But just like today, other records were kept by more specialized groups. For example, Temples were often a place where you could find archives, since the priests and worshipers would deposit anything important there. It would kind of be like if a church started a library, and asked all their members to donate any books they could that were written about Bible history or written by Historical Priests. Over like 100 years, that Church might actually have a pretty cool collection of stuff, even to non-Christians, it would be kind of like a Musaeum/Library of History.

I personally think that more "Temples" should be made, and more Archives should be kept. Even if it just happens in people's houses, there should be people collecting things like: Books written by people in their town, Books written by people in their family, Books written by Historical Figures, Books written in certain time periods, etc.

Most Theater, both Plays and Movies, are based on Greek and Roman Plays. Almost every Combination of Good guy and bad guy in almost any environment was already written about in ancient Greece, a lot of people just change the characters and settings to fit modern or even future events, and then make modern movies. For example. the Movie "Prometheus" is just Greek storytelling in Space. Even when it is not on purpose, most movies copy the story-line of existing Greek dynamics. So for an example, I think it would be cool if people who liked movies collected the plays that started the movies they liked, then found other movies based on those plays and put them all together. How awesome would it be to see the progression of a story all the way from ancient Greek telling to modern Movie "Magic".

Another cool example would be for someone who is interested in the modern Military of America, they could collect books written by people in service, then they could go through all the tactics that were used and the stuff that the people went through, and see if they can find other generals through history who used similar tactics, or Books by people who were under generals who used similar tactics, and then if there is ever a military mind that sees that collection in the future, it could effect the way he does things. Since he may learn something about the humanity behind all the tactics.

I am pretty sure you could also start with the books written by the last few modern American presidents, then after reading their books branch off into other areas that you notice while reading their books, and then keep copies of Obama's and Trump's executive orders and any things the next few presidents do, and eventually you would have an archive that could definitely be useful to voters.

I have talked to people about the idea of Towns, and it seems like a lot of people think it is some sort of magic Craft to start a town. So here are some classifications and Political possibilities that most people don't usually think about.

Tribe: Tribes are the societies that exist outside of states. The State is equal to the Greek Polis, with its own sovereignty, and ability to join other states in a Union, League, etc. The people come together at the Agora (Capitol Hill in America) to make decisions, this is the state. Tribes are much more loosely governed. Tribes can be a collection of families, or a collection of religious groups, etc. and usually have some form of leader, either chosen based on the Tribes specialty (the best Hunter, or the best Warrior, or the Best Artisan, or the Oldest, etc).

A Club is a collection of 2 or more people that have come together for some common purpose. A Community is similar, except that is is a looser organization, and usually they just have the same values, not necessarily the same or even similar goals.

A Gang is any group of friends or a family unit that has a leader. For example, if there is a military family who all look up to 1 Grandpa figure who first joined the Military and started a tradition, that is a form of Gang. It is not an Organized Crime Gang, but it is a form of Gang.

Townships are the most basic form of Town. In America there are 2 forms of Townships, a Survey Township and a Civil Township. A Survey Township is just a unit of land that has been measured properly by a Surveyor, a Civil township operates like a County, in some states they are treated like a regular "Incorporation" type town. Civil Townships exist in 20 of the 50 states.

The overall name for Towns, Townships, Villages, Cities, Counties, etc is Municipal Corporation. To establish a town, you need a Town Charter. A Town Charter would be created by/in a State or County Legislature, and the people of that County would Vote for the new Town to be formed. A Town could also Vote to Split.

Villages are smaller than towns, and are not necessarily Incorporated. Depending on the State, a Village can just be a town that has formed with its own Government Body, but a smaller population than a town.

A Town is incorporated and follows State laws to form.

City is really just a big town in most places.

Counties are Administrative divisions designated by a state.

Common Law is how we get Laws from Court cases. 2 Modern Examples are:
1. The Affordable Care Act aka Obamacare
2. The Hobby Lobby Supreme Court Case

When the United State Supreme Court makes a ruling, it becomes "The Law of the Land" for all of the United States. This is common law. The reason it exists is this, for example: If you bring a Wolf to town, and no one has ever had a Wolf as a pet there, people might freak out. So the Police might get called, and they might give you a ticket, which establishes a Court Date. Then you have to go to Court, and argue your case, and whatever the Judge decides is the new Law for Wolf owners in your town. Maybe they say you have to give it a muzzle, maybe they say you can't own it without a license, maybe they say you can't own it at all etc.

Common Law works on all levels. US Supreme Court makes rules for the Country, State Supreme Courts make rules for the State, a County Judge makes rules for the County, and a City Judge makes rules for the Town.

A Common Heritage of Mankind is something that no one can really own, but everyone can use. Examples are the Ocean and Space.

An Embassy or a Diplomatic Mission is a group of people from one state/country, who own land in another state/country, and work to establish treaties and accomplish goals in that country/state. Once the Diplomatic mission establishes permanency it becomes an Embassy and the head of the Embassy is considered the Ambassador. Embassy can also just refer to the building or office that the Diplomatic mission is operating from.

For Democratic Non-Violent Protests, there are some Organizational tactics that can be used. If Clubs, Tribes are established, it makes it much easier to protest, this is why Unions are more successful when striking than regular employees are.

Here are the Supreme Court Rulings that are the "Law of the Land" and defend our Rights, such as the Right to Gather, and the Right to Free Speech.

Public Sit ins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Louisiana

Police May not Plot Against a Protest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_v._Princess_Anne

The Local, State or Federal Government should not put "Breach of the Peace Statutes" in place, because they are more likely to incite violence than not
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cox_v._Louisiana

Police Breaking apart a Peaceful Crowd is Illegal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_v._South_Carolina

Most protests don't have any previous organizational structure, so the best way to establish it for the first time is to get people to line up in rows, then give each row of people a flyer to explain what their overall goals should be as a group, This way people can choose to do different things, but be following a main plan within the group that they talk to throughout the protest. Do not try to get people to line up constantly, this is only to create the foundational structure to accomplish a goal other than being loud, not a way to create a regimented force of soldiers. When passing out any other objects or flyers, they should be something that encompasses all the established groups.

The reason you want to make groups is to create more diverse functionality and thought. This does not need to be a division within the whole group, only within the core people that are there first. For example, if there are a group of people with Walkie Talkies in your protest, you would want to make this division within that group of people, so that you could all coordinate different plans. Examples of divisions of labor would be Making/Passing out Protest signs, Giving People Rides or Collecting Emails/Phone Numbers, Setting up a space where people can get water and maybe food, Making videos of specific protesters or groups and getting their names, Keeping an eye on the crowd to make sure no one is bringing like Molotov Cocktails in to start a riot, etc.

If you have groups you can do various things instead of just trying to be some random "Administrative Entity" over the protest. Goals should be to go to Libraries, Universities or Local/National News Broadcasting stations and holding "Sit Ins" or at least "Stand Outsides". These places are places that will get more people to come and join, as well as being more likely to be News worthy.

If you do NOT want to be in the News, use Profanity a lot, put a Cuss word in your Groups name (Ex: You can call yourself the Fuckers and it won't be in the news) and if you want to stay off of Live Broadcasting, write the word "fuck" on your forehead.

At least one person should try to get Emails or Phone numbers from protesters, the people there are obviously interested in learning more.

Any goal that you want to accomplish politically should be something you care passionately enough about to make a Pamphlet or a Brochure type thing, at least made up of a 2 pages and folded together to make a pamphlet. Not a lot of people understand that they can start political organizations (look up "How to start a PAC" if you want to make one) or how to run for office in local campaigns. So having information about how to do these things can be extremely helpful.

Protests are not going to accomplish much more than getting the word out, and eventually you have to tap in to Democracy and protest by getting new people in Office as Judges, Sheriffs and Mayors. TONS OF CITIES have District Attorney's that run unopposed. People only think to Vote for Mayor and Sheriff and stuff, they don't think of running themselves, and they definitely don't worry about who the District Attorney is. But that is such an important position as far as deciding who goes to jail in town, which then can be challenged by the Constitution, etc.


Title: 9 of Pentacles
Post by: Tokenista on December 06, 2020, 07:11:43 PM
Much of Tarot can be directly tied to Karma and Dharma, the Roma people, called Gypsies by many, like Brad Pitt in the movie "Snatch". The Roma people come from India, but left over a thousand of years ago, after Jesus' time but long ago now. They travelled through the lands Alexander the Great had Conquered and Rome had Hellenized, and they spread Vedic Stories, some of which became our Modern Fairytales. European Fairytales like the Brothers Grimm come from India originally, or are Roma stories from the Indian Stories.

Tarot Cards come from the Roma, Gypsies. They made Fortune Telling a thing in Europe, and the Tarot Deck actually existed first, so Gambling was invented when Europeans got their hands on a Deck that read Fates, not the other way around. Many people see Tarot as a fun trick you can do with a Deck of altered Gambling cards, when actually Gambling is something that comes out of Tarot, Tarot was first.

This kind of thing comes from reading the Sky, it was assumed that the Sky must be a message, everyone looked at the Sky and assumed that because Earth was fixed and the Sky was moving, it was clearly trying to give Earth a Message. So they then interpreted those messages, by creating systems that categorized, symbolized, and translated various events, possibilities, and gave them associations with Days, Weeks, Months, Years, Ages, as well as Human Concepts, the Suits, Diamonds (Pentacles), Club (Wand/Mace), Spade (Sword) and Heart (Chalice). This is a Kalachakra that exists within the Tarot.

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The following comes from this website
https://labyrinthos.co/blogs/tarot-card-meanings-list/nine-of-pentacles-meaning-tarot-card-meanings

The Nine of Pentacles depicts a woman in the middle of a vineyard. The woman wears what appears to be a long, luxurious dress adorned with sunflowers. She seems to be part of a wealthy house, for in the far background, we see a castle. A falcon is sitting peacefully and playfully on her left hand. The vines behind her are rich and filled with grapes and golden coins, signaling that she has been very successful in her ventures, which are yielding a great and plentiful harvest.

This Nine of Pentacles card indicates that the querent has reached a stage in their lives where they are confident, independent and self-sufficient. Through hard work, this person is now ready to enjoy money, leisure and material comfort.

The difficulties that were faced in the earlier journey of the pentacles appear to be over. The Nine of Pentacles conveys not only joy, but also the feeling of security and freedom that material wealth can bring. Looking back, the querent can now celebrate the difficulties, the struggles, and the hard work that lined her path. Her previous challenges gave her the wider perspective she needs to understand the spiritual value of her success. Knowing how difficult it was to get here, she intends to enjoy every single day that is given to her.


The following is from this website:
https://tricycle.org/magazine/who-was-buddha-2/
 
"The Buddha, or Siddhartha Gautama, was born around 567 B.C.E., in a small kingdom just below the Himalayan foothills. His father was a chief of the Shakya clan. It is said that twelve years before his birth the brahmins prophesied that he would become either a universal monarch or a great sage. To prevent him from becoming an ascetic, his father kept him within the confines of the palace. Gautama grew up in princely luxury, shielded from the outside world, entertained by dancing girls, instructed by brahmins, and trained in archery, swordsmanship, wrestling, swimming, and running. When he came of age he married Gopa, who gave birth to a son. He had, as we might say today, everything.

And yet, it was not enough. Something—something as persistent as his own shadow—drew him into the world beyond the castle walls. There, in the streets of Kapilavastu, he encountered three simple things: a sick man, an old man, and a corpse being carried to the burning grounds. Nothing in his life of ease had prepared him for this experience. When his charioteer told him that all beings are subject to sickness, old age, and death, he could not rest.

As he returned to the palace, he passed a wandering ascetic walking peacefully along the road, wearing the robe and carrying the single bowl of a sadhu. He then resolved to leave the palace in search of the answer to the problem of suffering. After bidding his wife and child a silent farewell without waking them, he rode to the edge of the forest. There, he cut his long hair with his sword and exchanged his fine clothes for the simple robes of an ascetic.

FINDING LIBERATION

With these actions Siddhartha Gautama joined a whole class of men who had dropped out of Indian society to find liberation. There were a variety of methods and teachers, and Gautama investigated many—atheists, materialists, idealists, and dialecticians. The deep forest and the teeming marketplace were alive with the sounds of thousands of arguments and opinions, unlike in our time.

Gautama finally settled down to work with two teachers. From Arada Kalama, who had three hundred disciples, he learned how to discipline his mind to enter the sphere of nothingness. But even though Arada Kalama asked him to remain and teach as an equal, he recognized that this was not liberation, and left. Next Siddhartha learned how to enter the concentration of mind which is neither consciousness nor unconsciousness from Udraka Ramaputra. But neither was this liberation and Siddhartha left his second teacher.

For six years Siddhartha along with five companions practiced austerities and concentration. He drove himself mercilessly, eating only a single grain of rice a day, pitting mind against body. His ribs stuck through his wasted flesh and he seemed more dead than alive.

THE MIDDLE PATH

His five companions left him after he made the decision to take more substantial food and to abandon asceticism. Then, Siddhartha entered a village in search of food.  There, a woman named Sujata offered him a dish of milk and a separate vessel of honey. His strength returned, Siddhartha washed himself in the Nairanjana River, and then set off to the Bodhi tree. He spread a mat of kusha grass underneath, crossed his legs and sat.

He sat, having listened to all the teachers, studied all the sacred texts and tried all the methods. Now there was nothing to rely on, no one to turn to, nowhere to go. He sat solid and unmoving and determined as a mountain, until finally, after six days, his eye opened on the rising morning star, so it is said, and he realized that what he had been looking for had never been lost, neither to him nor to anyone else. Therefore there was nothing to attain, and no longer any struggle to attain it.

“Wonder of wonders,” he is reported to have said, “this very enlightenment is the nature of all beings, and yet they are unhappy for lack of it.” So it was that Siddhartha Gautama woke up at the age of thirty-five, and became the Buddha, the Awakened One, known as Shakyamuni, the sage of the Shakyas.

For seven weeks he enjoyed the freedom and tranquillity of liberation. At first he had no inclination to speak about his realization. He felt would be too difficult for most people to understand. But when, according to legend, Brahma, chief of the three thousand worlds, requested that the Awakened One teach, since there were those “whose eyes were only a little clouded over,” the Buddha agreed.

THE FIRST NOBLE TRUTH

Shakyamuni’s two former teachers, Udraka and Arada Kalama, had both died only a few days earlier, and so he sought the five ascetics who had left him. When they saw him approaching the Deer Park in Benares they decided to ignore him, since he had broken his vows. Yet they found something so radiant about his presence that they rose, prepared a seat, bathed his feet and listened as the Buddha turned the wheel of the dharma, the teachings, for the first time.

The First Noble Truth of the Buddha stated that all life, all existence, is characterized by duhkha. The Sanskrit word meaning suffering, pain, unsatisfactoriness. Even moments of happiness have a way of turning into pain when we hold onto them, or, once they have passed into memory, they twist the present as the mind makes an inevitable, hopeless attempt to recreate the past. The teaching of the Buddha is based on direct insight into the nature of existence. Ir is a radical critique of wishful thinking and the myriad tactics of escapism—whether through political utopianism, psychological therapeutics, simple hedonism, or (and it is this which primarily distinguishes Buddhism from most of the world’s religions) the theistic salvation of mysticism."


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The following is from this website
https://honorthegodsblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/what-is-the-difference-between-the-roman-god/

"They further assimilated Dionysus with Liber, a native Italian god who was a son of Ceres. Liber was a god of viniculture and wine, but was also a patron of male procreation, and associated with freedom, free speech, and the rights of adulthood. As Liber Pater, he ensured the success of the harvest, and averted catastrophes. Together with his sister Libera, Liber and Ceres were worshiped as a triad at a temple on the Aventine hill in Rome that was established in 493 BCE. The Aventine Triad were regarded as the patrons of Rome’s “commoners”, the plebeians, the people who worked for a living as laborers, skilled trades persons, managers, and owners of small businesses or farms.

Little is known of the rituals in which these deities were worshiped. Ceres was, of course, associated with the Eleusinian Mysteries, and Bacchus with the Dionysian. Libera was equated, at different times, with Proserpina and with Ariadne, so, again, there is a connection with the Eleusinian Mysteries. The cults were considered “Greek” in character, and were sometimes even described as being “un-Roman”, suggesting that the rites were very different from those usually accorded to Roman gods."


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 06, 2020, 08:45:33 PM
This is from FranklinPapers.org and was written by Benjamin Franklin, the one on the $100 Bill

"Sect. I. Of Liberty and Necessity.

I. There is said to be a First Mover,who is called God, Maker of the Universe.

II. He is said to be all-wise, all-good, all powerful.

These two Propositions being allow’d and asserted by People of almost every Sect and Opinion; I have here suppos’d them granted, and laid them down as the Foundation of my Argument; What follows then, being a Chain of Consequences truly drawn from them, will stand or fall as they are true or false.

III. If He is all-good, whatsoever He doth must be good.

IV. If He is all-wise, whatsoever He doth must be wise.

The Truth of these Propositions, with relation to the two first, I think may be justly call’d evident; since, either that infinite Goodness will act what is ill, or infinite Wisdom what is not wise, is too glaring a Contradiction not to be perceiv’d by any Man of common Sense, and deny’d as soon as understood.

V. If He is all-powerful, there can be nothing either existing or acting in the Universe against or without his Consent; and what He consents to must be good, because He is good; thereforeEvil doth not exist.

Unde Malum? has been long a Question, and many of the Learned have perplex’d themselves and Readers to little Purpose in Answer to it. That there are both Things and Actions to which we give the Name of Evil, is not here deny’d, as Pain, Sickness, Want, Theft, Murder, &c. but that these and the like are not in reality Evils, Ills, or Defects in the Order of the Universe, is demonstrated in the next Section, as well as by this and the following Proposition. Indeed, to suppose any Thing to exist or be done, contrary to the Will of the Almighty, is to suppose him not almighty; or that Something (the Cause of Evil) is more mighty than the Almighty; an Inconsistence that I think no One will defend: And to deny any Thing or Action, which he consents to the existence of, to be good, is entirely to destroy his two Attributes of Wisdom and Goodness.

There is nothing done in the Universe, say the Philosophers, butwhat God either does, or permits to be done. This, as He is Almighty, is certainly true: But what need of this Distinction between doing andpermitting? Why, first they take it for granted that many Things in the Universe exist in such a Manner as is not for the best, and that many Actions are done which ought not to be done, or would be better undone; these Things or Actions they cannot ascribe to God as His, because they have already attributed to Him infinite Wisdom and Goodness; Here then is the Use of the Word Permit; He permitsthem to be done, say they. But we will reason thus: If God permits an Action to be done, it is because he wants either Power or Inclination to hinder it; in saying he wants Power, we deny Him to be almighty; and if we say He wants Inclination or Will, it must be, either because He is not Good, or the Action is not evil, (for all Evil is contrary to the Essence of infinite Goodness.) The former is inconsistent with his before-given Attribute of Goodness, therefore the latter must be true.

It will be said, perhaps, that God permits evil Actions to be done, for wise Ends and Purposes. But this Objection destroys itself; for whatever an infinitely good God hath wise Ends in suffering to be, must be good, is thereby made good, and cannot be otherwise.

VI. If a Creature is made by God, it must depend upon God, and receive all its Power from Him; with which Power the Creature can do nothing contrary to the Will of God, because God is Almighty; what is not contrary to His Will, must be agreeable to it; what is agreeable to it, must be good, because He is Good; therefore a Creature can donothing but what is good.

This Proposition is much to the same Purpose with the former, but more particular; and its Conclusion is as just and evident. Tho’ a Creature may do many Actions which by his Fellow Creatures will be nam’d Evil,and which will naturally and necessarily cause or bring upon the Doer, certain Pains (which will likewise be call’d Punishments;) yet this Proposition proves, that he cannot act what will be in itself really Ill, or displeasing to God. And that the painful Consequences of his evil Actions (so call’d) are not, as indeed they ought not to be, Punishments or Unhappinesses, will be shewn hereafter.

Nevertheless, the late learned Author of The Religion of Nature,(which I send you herewith) has given us a Rule or Scheme, whereby to discover which of our Actions ought to be esteem’d and denominated good,and which evil: It is in short this, “Every Action which is done according to Truth, is good; and every Action contrary to Truth, is evil: To act according to Truth is to use and esteem every Thing as what it is, &c. Thus if Asteals a Horse from B, and rides away upon him, he uses him not as what he is in Truth, viz. the Property of another, but as his own, which is contrary to Truth, and therefore evil.” But, as this Gentleman himself says, (Sect. I. Prop. VI.) “In order to judge rightly what any Thing is, it must be consider’d, not only what it is in one Respect, but also what it may be in any other Respect; and the whole Description of the Thing ought to be taken in:” So in this Case it ought to be consider’d, that A is naturally acovetous Being, feeling an Uneasiness in the want of B’s Horse, which produces an Inclination for stealing him, stronger than his Fear of Punishment for so doing. This is Truthlikewise, and A acts according to it when he steals the Horse. Besides, if it is prov’d to be a Truth, that A has not Power over his own Actions, it will be indisputable that he acts according to Truth, and impossible he should do otherwise.

I would not be understood by this to encourage or defend Theft; ’tis only for the sake of the Argument, and will certainly have no ill Effect. The Order and Course of Things will not be affected by Reasoning of this Kind; and ’tis as just and necessary, and as much according to Truth, for B to dislike and punish the Theft of his Horse, as it is for A to steal him.

VII. If the Creature is thus limited in his Actions, being able to do only such Things as God would have him to do, and not being able to refuse doing what God would have done; then he can have no such Thing as Liberty, Free-will or Power to do or refrain an Action.

By Liberty is sometimes understood the Absence of Opposition; and in this Sense, indeed, all our Actions may be said to be the Effects of our Liberty:But it is a Liberty of the same Nature with the Fall of a heavy Body to the Ground; it has Liberty to fall, that is, it meets with nothing to hinder its Fall, but at the same Time it is necessitated to fall, and has no Power or Liberty to remain suspended.

But let us take the Argument in another View, and suppose ourselves to be, in the common sense of the Word, Free Agents. As Man is a Part of this great Machine, the Universe, his regular Acting is requisite to the regular moving of the whole. Among the many Things which lie before him to be done, he may, as he is at Libertyand his Choice influenc’d by nothing, (for so it must be, or he is not at Liberty) chuse any one, and refuse the rest. Now there is every Moment something best to be done, which is alone then good, and with respect to which, every Thing else is at that Time evil. In order to know which is best to be done, and which not, it is requisite that we should have at one View all the intricate Consequences of every Action with respect to the general Order and Scheme of the Universe, both present and future; but they are innumerable and incomprehensible by any Thing but Omnis-cience. As we cannot know these, we have but as one Chance to ten thousand, to hit on the right Action; we should then be perpetually blundering about in the Dark, and putting the Scheme in Disorder; for every wrong Action of a Part, is a Defect or Blemish in the Order of the Whole. Is it not necessary then, that our Actions should be over-rul’d and govern’d by an all-wise Providence? How exact and regular is every Thing in the natural World! How wisely in every Part contriv’d! We cannot here find the least Defect! Those who have study’d the mere animal and vegetable Creation, demonstrate that nothing can be more harmonious and beautiful! All the heavenly Bodies, the Stars and Planets, are regulated with the utmost Wisdom! And can we suppose less Care to be taken in the Order of the moralthan in the natural System? It is as if an ingenious Artificer, having fram’d a curious Machine or Clock, and put its many intricate Wheels and Powers in such a Dependance on one another, that the whole might move in the most exact Order and Regularity, had nevertheless plac’d in it several other Wheels endu’d with an independent Self-Motion, but ignorant of the general Interest of the Clock; and these would every now and then be moving wrong, disordering the true Movement, and making continual Work for the Mender; which might better be prevented, by depriving them of that Power of Self-Motion, and placing them in a Dependance on the regular Part of the Clock.


VIII. If there is no such Thing as Free-Will in Creatures, there can be neither Merit nor Demerit in Creatures.

IX. And therefore every Creature must be equally esteem’d by the Creator.

These Propositions appear to be the necessary Consequences of the former. And certainly no Reason can be given, why the Creator should prefer in his Esteem one Part of His Works to another, if with equal Wisdom and Goodness he design’d and created them all, since all Ill or Defect, as contrary to his Nature, is excluded by his Power. We will sum up the Argument thus, When the Creator first design’d the Universe, either it was His Will and Intention that all Things should exist and be in the Manner they are at this Time; or it was his Will they should be otherwise i.e. in a different Manner: To say it was His Will Things should be otherwise than they are, is to say Somewhat hath contradicted His Will, and broken His Measures, which is impossible because inconsistent with his Power; therefore we must allow that all Things exist now in a Manner agreeable to His Will, and in consequence of that are all equally Good, and therefore equally esteemed by Him.

I proceed now to shew, that as all the Works of the Creator are equally esteem’d by Him, so they are, as in Justice they ought to be, equally us’d."





Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 06, 2020, 09:57:41 PM
I want to explain to everyone a concept that is hard to understand, but opens up History.

Just how all Squares are Rectangles, having 2 and 2 parallel sides, but all Rectangles are not Squares having 4 Equal sides. Propaganda is Mythology, but not all Mythology is Propaganda.

To explain this I will start with Uncle Sam, something of an American Deity due to the Propaganda Status of the Iconic Figure. He is Mythological, and he began as Propoganda.
https://i.ibb.co/Z1hdVcH/britannia-and-uncle-sam-friends-and-allies-daniel-hagerman.jpg

In Russia, they had Propoganda Spread to the Public to combat spying from the U.S. and others, it says "The Walls have Ears"
https://i.ibb.co/hYrX653/No-chat.jpg

This is Nazi Propoganda showing an Aquilla Eagle and talking about Volks, which is the Folks. This poster is like when a Politician says "Folks".
https://i.ibb.co/dkjTtfx/WL1150-1-jpg450x634-5.jpg

The Boyscouts were made to counter the Hitler youth
https://i.ibb.co/KyVh4Sp/066cc599b3d0ba38920f3b53605fca12.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/9WWGBcm/B2m-Sa7b-IUAA0w-V7.jpg
https://www.seeker.com/sardonic-grin-has-roots-in-poisonous-herb-1764710191.html
According to some scholars, Homer coined the word after learning that the Punic people who settled Sardinia gave condemned people the smile-inducing potion.

We today see Sardonic Grins as inherently evil because of a series of events that happened in our past.

This is Heiroglyph R24, it is 2 Hunting Bows tied together, and symbolizes the Goddess of Weaving, Neith. Sister of Bat, who represents the Milky Way (understood 3,000 B.C.). In Greece, Neith was Arachne the Spider, cursed by Athena to weave for saying the Gods did not treat the Mortals well. The 2 bows tied together is easily replicated, and was likely a common symbol.

https://images.blurt.buzz/DQmTuFH8XMhDp6FpJtovpGmJGTMSFGW9Ds5yV8bsdyB4pEe/FB_IMG_1603602718384.jpg

To better understand Neith we can look to 2 places:

1. Aquila and the Phoenix. Aquila carries Zues' lightning, and in Rome an Aquila was a badge given to a standard bearer, or flag carrier. If they lost an Aquila they would search for it for decades. So if we look at all of Zues' Mortal Lovers, and victims, they are Punic Godesses, Queens and Pricesses. Stories likely made to encourage Romans wanting to go plunder the Punics, who had been around at least 1,500 years before the Romans. The Phoenix is the Punic Aquila, the Power of the Goddess.

2. Arachne's Father and the Megarians. Her father was an Oracular God with an uneventful life, which begs questions. He went to an island knowing he would die, then went there and was killed by a Boar or Snake, and on that Island, the Megarians built a temple and worshiped him. Those same Megarians debated Aristotle, and created Stoicism. There is something called a Megarian Trap, showing how there has always been a Truth under the History, the same way we might say there is some Truth under the Myths.

And it is likely Greeks thought Scarab beetles were spiders. If they were informed, they would have used the same name for it as they did Crawfish, and would have associated it with the Cancer Crab from Astrology.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268440897_The_cultural_history_of_crayfish

Also, we will get into Hannibal, who worshiped Eshmun, Hercules, and Hera. And likely had an Indian Elephant, the Punics also had Hemp. Hannibal admired Alexander the Great who opened relations with the East and created the word Media by centering his communications in a place called Media.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 07, 2020, 02:38:52 AM
I want to explain something about both 9 and 10 of Pentacles.


There is a concept that Jesus popularized that can be seen in both of these cards. First, Jesus brought Liberty in Death, a Kingdom somewhere else which you enter when you die, so that you work in this life to get into a better afterlife. This is similar to reincarnation, and you could say the Egyptian Afterlife is in between heaven and reincarnation. And people would then Martyr themselves, the same way Jesus offered himself up to die, so this created a system by which people yearned to die, for a worthy cause, to then be immortalized.

John 18
33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”
35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him.


The Old man of the mountain did not create something new with the Hashashins, what he did was promise Heaven, and give people a Heavenly experience, so they would be prepared to die. And of course he did that in the Medieval world. Christians were out trying to die like Jesus, then taking over and Burning all the people you would Stone to death before that, like Witches, Adulterers, etc. And everyone in the world knows the Quran says if you die for Allah you get 72 Virgins, so he created a system around that with the Quranic incense that represents Heaven, and Fruits, etc.

The reason it worked is because of this class of Armed, Smart, Driven, usually Poor people, like the Poor Knights of Christ making a pledge of Poverty and Selling their Cloak to Buy a Sword, then getting rewarded for their deeds and becoming the Crusaders and a large banking group in that time.

The Old Man of the Mountain was simply doing the same thing that can be seen in the Movie Fight Club. He was creating a group organized around the understanding that they needed to learn the techniques Strangulation, and various other Assassin techniques (they were the Hashashins, the first Assassins) to then infiltrate Castles, Kingdoms, and generally do whatever they needed to do to become in the service of or enslaved to the person they were assigned to kill, then dying while killing as many people as possible. Sometimes spending years enslaved to find the right moment.

This is how our own Senate formed, the Founding Fathers knew about Cesar and Brutus, the Senate there were Assassins before the word Assassin existed. Cesar was Assassinated, and the symbol held up by his Assassins was the Liberty Pole. This is topped with a Phrygian Cap, which is the same hat Santa wears but without the fluff, and you can find the Liberty Pole on our own Senate Seal in the United States.

This promise of Heaven and various forms of organization amongst the Ancient Plebians derived from it shows examples of both the 10 of Pentacles and 9 of Pentacles in the West, as well as how it has played out in Society after the concepts were shared.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 07, 2020, 04:21:06 AM
JACHIN AND BOAZ; OR, AN AUTHENTIC KEY TO THE DOOR OF FREE-MASONRY,
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=evans;cc=evans;rgn=main;view=text;idno=N23514.0001.001

The Freemasons are primarily organized around the idea that they are the ones who built Solomon's Temple. This can not be proven or proven wrong because it has been torn down twice since it was first built. Freemasonry is, in a metaphor, like a Wall made of Stone, and there is an empty spot in the Wall, and you are a crude stone that they will shape to fit in the empty spot. Everyone dresses the same so everyone is equal, and different Roles in the Temple are responsibilities, with different objects that need to be kept by different Roles and brought to different Ceremonies, or decisions to be made. Most Freemason lodges have a Stage or place for Plays and Music to be played nearby.

2 Samuel 5:11 "Now Hiram king of Tyre sent envoys to David, along with cedar logs and carpenters and stonemasons, and they built a palace for David."

According to Masonic Tradition, Masonry had been a Slave Art, and they were the Free and Accepted Masons, like a Union, and were able to set prices instead of working for a Sovereign. And they would mark their work with a Signature of some kind and would at the end of the day use their Handshake to retrieve their Wages after the Master Mason had checked their work.

https://i.ibb.co/DD0w7K7/prc-68455852.jpg

While building Cathedrals, Palaces and Cities, they had kept their tools in Lodges, where meals would be eaten and plans could be made in secret or jokes about Kings and Queens could be made without fearing death. These Lodges became the namesake of the Modern Freemason Lodges.

Punic Wax is the ointment on the head that ran down the beard into the garments, and that was discovered by Archaeologists in December 2019, so the Masons don't even know this and they read this verse when they are initiated.

Psalm 133 "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore."


https://i.ibb.co/CBS235v/c626ef30a224dbe1ee6a71901b23b1b6.gif

https://i.ibb.co/dQK3R3R/97dd7335f95f7ac1dcb0c49e65bffa81-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NKx0YmL/gettyimages-152203911-640x384-1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/BPXDG4c/masonic-2nd-degree-questions-and-answers-uk-3.jpg

Hiram Abiff was the Grand Master Mason, King of Tyre in the Old Testament. Tyre is in modern Lebanon, and was the Phoenician Headquarters. When British Explorers came to Libya they found Roman structures, and the Libyan people said that they were Cannanites. This is because before and during the Roman Empire, the Phoenicians were a significant influence; an influence that remained even after the fall of Carthage, which was a fairly Benevolent Phoenician Oligarchy in Africa that was destroyed by Scipio Africanus, a Roman General. Hiram Abiff is the Grand Master Mason in the building of Solomon's Temple, and 8 Masons desired to be Master Masons and conspire to force Hiram Abiff to tell them the Secret handshake or password, 5 of the 8 back out of the plan and 3 go forward. They ambush Hiram Abiff at the Temple, which has Doors on 3 Walls, and an Alter on the 4th, so they block the 3 doorways and he refuses to give them the Secrets, and they then stab him with a Square, hit him in the head with a Mallet, and Stab him with a Compass. They then flee.
https://i.ibb.co/SvGwdKp/legend-hiram-abiff.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/TKxB2TJ/81952243cf1fe12e7a2b2554c13ea350.jpg

The 5 Masons who had backed out of the plan go to the King of Tyre with White Gloves and White Aprons to show their innocence, and tell him what the other 3 did.

https://i.ibb.co/MRmvfwK/Bob-Wiley-Wreath-at-Arlington-12-10.jpg


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 07, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
The Megarians are the Worshippers of Arachne's Father, Arachne is Neith in the Egyptian Pantheon.

The following came from Wikipedia and gives a very bias view of the matter, I will explain
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megarian_decree

The Megarian Decree was a set of economic sanctions levied upon Megara c. 432 BC by the Athenian Empire shortly before the outbreak of the Peloponnesian War. The ostensible reason for the decree was the Megarians' supposed trespass on land sacred to Demeter known as the Hiera Orgas, the killing of the Athenian herald who was sent to their city to reproach them and giving shelter to slaves who had fled from Athens.

In all likelihood, it was an act of revenge by the Athenians for the treacherous behaviour of the Megarians some years earlier. It may also have been a deliberate provocation towards Sparta on the part of Pericles, who was the sponsor of the decree.

The decree banned Megarians from harbours and marketplaces throughout the large Athenian Empire, which effectively strangled the Megarian economy. The sanctions would have also affected Megara's allies and may have been seen as a move by Athens to weaken its rivals and to extend its influence. The ban strained the fragile peace between Athens and Sparta, which was allied with the strategically located Megara.


The Megarians were a group on an Island, Worshipping a God who was a God because he knew he would die, and went anyway. Later, they founded Stoicism via Zeno.

If we look at the Megarians, they were a school of thought counter to our common idea that "Western Civilization" comes through Plato and Aristotle, after the death of Socrates who was the founder of their Philosophical studies, but was made to drink poison and describe it because he brought foreign Gods and "Corrupted the Youth", those Corrupted Youth being those Founding Western Philosophers.

Then Aristotle, was Alexander the Great's Teacher, so Aristotle became very powerful, and installed Tyrants, "Aristocrat" meaning "Rich Powerful class member" stems from Aristotles name. Aristotle got to define much of the Classical World, he was not some oppressed Genius, he was a Rich and Powerful Aid to Powerful people, and once Alexander was dead he did pretty much whatever he wanted. Some think he killed Alexander because he was adopting too many Eastern Customs.

So if we look at Aristotle, he does a lot of Lectures, and the Megarians are the main ones Arguing with him.

The way this is framed is that Aristotle sees Classes, while the Megarians make propositions of the Whole.

And the Athenians were the Rich Powerful Greeks, so they loved Aristotle who loved being loved in Athens. And when they Sanctioned the Megarians, the Megarians were a key to trade.

Neith is much more Important in the Egyptian African Pantheon, than Arachne is in the Greek Pantheon.

So we can see Arachne is not Greek, but a Greek Propaganda peice about Neith. Arachne is Greek Propoganda about Neith. Neith, Arachne, in the Greek Story, is turned into a spider cursed to weave forever because she said:

"The Gods do not treat the Mortals well"
https://i.ibb.co/0DGS90y/arachne-the-spinning-contest-5.jpg

Once Sanctions are applied, they then have Megarian Oligarchs run the imports, and then they get to a point of Desperation and kill some of the Greek Guard.

Then Athens attacks the Megarians, and Sparta attacks Athens.

Weaving Spiders Come Not Here?
Weaving Spiders Come Here.

https://i.ibb.co/jWydndS/720px-Weaving-spiders-come-not-here-go8f2150a.jpg

"Weaving Spiders come not here" means that everyone should leave their business dealings outside of that place, and it comes from this History.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 07, 2020, 06:08:21 PM
Further on 9 and 10 of Pentacles

I want to explain something about both 9 and 10 of Pentacles.


There is a concept that Jesus popularized that can be seen in both of these cards. First, Jesus brought Liberty in Death, a Kingdom somewhere else which you enter when you die, so that you work in this life to get into a better afterlife. This is similar to reincarnation, and you could say the Egyptian Afterlife is in between heaven and reincarnation. And people would then Martyr themselves, the same way Jesus offered himself up to die, so this created a system by which people yearned to die, for a worthy cause, to then be immortalized.

John 18
33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”
35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him.


The Old man of the mountain did not create something new with the Hashashins, what he did was promise Heaven, and give people a Heavenly experience, so they would be prepared to die. And of course he did that in the Medieval world. Christians were out trying to die like Jesus, then taking over and Burning all the people you would Stone to death before that, like Witches, Adulterers, etc. And everyone in the world knows the Quran says if you die for Allah you get 72 Virgins, so he created a system around that with the Quranic incense that represents Heaven, and Fruits, etc.

The reason it worked is because of this class of Armed, Smart, Driven, usually Poor people, like the Poor Knights of Christ making a pledge of Poverty and Selling their Cloak to Buy a Sword, then getting rewarded for their deeds and becoming the Crusaders and a large banking group in that time.

The Old Man of the Mountain was simply doing the same thing that can be seen in the Movie Fight Club. He was creating a group organized around the understanding that they needed to learn the techniques Strangulation, and various other Assassin techniques (they were the Hashashins, the first Assassins) to then infiltrate Castles, Kingdoms, and generally do whatever they needed to do to become in the service of or enslaved to the person they were assigned to kill, then dying while killing as many people as possible. Sometimes spending years enslaved to find the right moment.

This is how our own Senate formed, the Founding Fathers knew about Cesar and Brutus, the Senate there were Assassins before the word Assassin existed. Cesar was Assassinated, and the symbol held up by his Assassins was the Liberty Pole. This is topped with a Phrygian Cap, which is the same hat Santa wears but without the fluff, and you can find the Liberty Pole on our own Senate Seal in the United States.

This promise of Heaven and various forms of organization amongst the Ancient Plebians derived from it shows examples of both the 10 of Pentacles and 9 of Pentacles in the West, as well as how it has played out in Society after the concepts were shared.

These books expand greatly on these concepts, and I will use Quotes from all of these books but just quote 1 of them now.

The Seboyet of Ptahhotep, or Teachings of Ptahhotep. Ptahhotep was Vizier to the King of Egypt, the same position described in Joseph's rise after interpreting the Pharoah's Dreams and solving the 7 year famine in the Bible. The Egyptians kept good records, and Imhotep was the only Vizier to solve a 7 year famine on the Famine Stella, a stone in Egypt where the story is carved.

Ptahhotep wrote the book for his son who would take his place. Ptahhotep was said to be 110 years old, and his name means Ptah is pleased, Ptah being something like the Creator Deity.

THE INSTRUCTION OF PTAH-HOTEP AND THE INSTRUCTION OF KE'GEMNI: THE OLDEST BOOKS IN THE WORLD
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/30508/30508-h/30508-h.htm

The Prince is a "Mirror for Princes", for young Rulers in training to read. It outlines corruption and a "Kill or be Killed" world of Politics, run by the Pope of Rome and his hired Politicians in the Italian Cities. Enforced by Thugs. Tupac was trained in this, called himself "Makaveli", promoted "Thug Life" and "Ride or Die"

The Prince by Nicolo Machiavelli
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1232/1232-h/1232-h.htm

The Spirit of the Laws outlines Founding Constitutions, Oligarchs and Aristocrats, and Monarchy, and is where the word "Despot" meaning "One with full Authority" with a twinge of "Absolute power Corrupts Absolutely", that is a Despot, was popularized as a word. His writings inspired the U.S. Founding fathers, who read this, and many others.

The Complete Works of M. de Montesquieu (London: T. Evans, 1777), 4 vols. Vol. 1.
https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/montesquieu-complete-works-vol-1-the-spirit-of-laws

The Art of War was written B.C. and people suggest you read it for modern business, why? Because it is a guide for selecting battlefields based on weather conditions? No because it is a guide about the Morale of an Army, and Active Counter Intelligence. Hannibal Barca used spies, wore wigs and makeup to scout and not be identified in battle, and had a ring with poison in it that he wore at all times.

The Art of War By Sun Tzu
http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html

Hence the use of spies, of whom there are five classes: (1) Local spies; (2) inward spies; (3) converted spies; (4) doomed spies; (5) surviving spies.

8. When these five kinds of spy are all at work, none can discover the secret system. This is called "divine manipulation of the threads." It is the sovereign's most precious faculty.

Having local spies means employing the services of the inhabitants of a district.

10. Having inward spies, making use of officials of the enemy.

11. Having converted spies, getting hold of the enemy's spies and using them for our own purposes.

12. Having doomed spies, doing certain things openly for purposes of deception, and allowing our spies to know of them and report them to the enemy.

13. Surviving spies, finally, are those who bring back news from the enemy's camp.

14. Hence it is that which none in the whole army are more intimate relations to be maintained than with spies. None should be more liberally rewarded. In no other business should greater secrecy bepreserved.

15. Spies cannot be usefully employed without a certain intuitive sagacity.

16. They cannot be properly managed without benevolence and straightforwardness.

17. Without subtle ingenuity of mind, one cannot make certain of the truth of their reports.

18. Be subtle! be subtle! and use your spies for every kind of business.

19. If a secret piece of news is divulged by a spy before the time is ripe, he must be put to death together with the man to whom the secret was told.

20. Whether the object be to crush an army, to storm a city, or to assassinate an individual, it is always necessary to begin by finding out the names of the attendants, the aides-de-camp, and door-keepers and sentries of the general in command. Our spies must be commissioned to ascertain these.

21. The enemy's spies who have come to spy on us must be sought out, tempted with bribes, led away and comfortably housed. Thus they will become converted spies and available for our service.  



Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 07, 2020, 08:47:57 PM
Quote
There's no such thing as fate; things happen the way they happen, but not because they were predetermined.  Further, predeterminism is a dangerous way to look at bitcoin that tells folks they don't need to think critically or pay attention to the environment.  Bitcoin isn't fated to replace the dollar, it isn't fated to go to the moon.  Blindly believing such things is a recipe for financial disaster because it ignores the risk component of holding bitcoin.

You don't think there a number of events that are not necessarily predetermined, but inevitable?

You don't see how the Suit of Pentacles, is the Playing Card Suit of Diamonds, and does not represent money, but any Precious Metal, Gemstone, Currency, etc. Including non-Tangible Currency, such as Affluence mentioned on the 10 of Pentacles.

The 10 of Pentacles could also be seen to represent the different Tribes associated with each Blockchain. There are things that are simply bound to happen. This is what meant when people say "History repeats itself" and others who say "History does not repeat itself but it ryhmes". And the Bible saying "there is nothing new under the Sun" which also has an expanded meaning in terms of human made creations, which again emphasizes the point that Gold, is Currency, is Cryptocurrency, there is nothing new under the Sun and Fate will be what Fate will be, regardless of the new Medium we choose to operate with, it is the same thing.

To expand on this.

There are the A Theory and B Theory of Time, the differences are most well expressed to the American mind by looking at the Amish, and others like them, such as those who ran the town in the Footloose movie. The no Dancing Footloose town Philosophy, comes from an Amish type mindset, from Puratian Quakers who fled to the country, called Calvinism.

In Calvinism, everything already happened, we are simply watching it play out. The Predestined and chosen for Heaven, everyone else goes to Hell, we are just watching it happen on Earth. If you look at how Amish people separate from Society, you can see how this Philosophy is ruling their entire history as a group, they believe God already picked them for Heaven.

That Philosophy comes from John Calvin.

Arminians believe you can be saved, at any moment Jesus could save any Soul. This is the most common form of Christianity, based on Forgiveness, Repenting and Baptism.

That Philosophy comes from Joseph Arminia.

https://i.ibb.co/3T3rxqd/a-vs-b-theory-of-time.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/QrQ1vvC/time-theory.jpg

These timelines show both instances, 1 where every moment is a new one, happening only after the ones before it.

And another where everything has happened already and we are just seeing the moment we are at.

God would exist outside of this in both, and there are implications to this. Then there are of course Kairos and Chronos.

"Augustine was born in Tagaste, a modest Roman community in a river valley 40 miles (64 km) from the Mediterranean coast in Africa, near the point where the veneer of Roman civilization thinned out in the highlands of Numidia. Augustine’s parents were of the respectable class of Roman society, free to live on the work of others, but their means were sometimes straitened. They managed, sometimes on borrowed money, to acquire a first-class education for Augustine, and, although he had at least one brother and one sister, he seems to have been the only child sent off to be educated. He studied first in Tagaste, then in the nearby university town of Madauros, and finally at Carthage, the great city of Roman Africa. After a brief stint teaching in Tagaste, he returned to Carthage to teach rhetoric, the premier science for the Roman gentleman, and he was evidently very good at it.

Augustine’s career, however, ran aground in Milan. After only two years there, he resigned his teaching post and, after some soul-searching and apparent idleness, made his way back to his native town of Tagaste. There he passed the time as a cultured squire, looking after his family property, raising the son, Adeodatus, left him by his long-term lover (her name is unknown) taken from the lower classes, and continuing his literary pastimes. The death of that son while still an adolescent left Augustine with no obligation to hand on the family property, and so he disposed of it and found himself, at age 36, literally pressed into service against his will as a junior clergyman in the coastal city of Hippo, north of Tagaste.

The transformation was not entirely surprising. Augustine had always been a dabbler in one form or another of the Christian religion, and the collapse of his career at Milan was associated with an intensification of religiosity. All his writings from that time onward were driven by his allegiance to a particular form of Christianity both orthodox and intellectual. His coreligionists in North Africa accepted his distinctive stance and style with some difficulty, and Augustine chose to associate himself with the “official” branch of Christianity, approved by emperors and reviled by the most enthusiastic and numerous branches of the African church. Augustine’s literary and intellectual abilities, however, gave him the power to articulate his vision of Christianity in a way that set him apart from his African contemporaries. His unique gift was the ability to write at a high theoretical level for the most-discerning readers and still be able to deliver sermons with fire and fierceness in an idiomthat a less-cultured audience could admire."
-https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Augustine

"In the Phoenician Punic colonies, espeically around Carthage, the Phoenician language survived till the 5th century and was spoken by people in the rural areas. Saint Augustine knew the language and was well acquanted with Punic literary. He wrote "... there was a great deal of virtue and wisdom in the Punic books". Further, a pagan grammarian named Maximus once wrote to him a hostile letter in which he mocked at the Punic names of some Christian martyrs, and in his reply Augustine rebukes him for having thrown ridicule at the Punic language which he describes as "our own tongue"."
-https://phoenicia.org/staugustine.html


Title: 8 of Pentacles
Post by: Tokenista on December 08, 2020, 05:57:27 AM
8 of Pentacles
https://i.ibb.co/TYP87JX/1644a7e87cf0d1305d3d930b3ee46100.jpg
The following quote is from this website
https://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-meanings/minor-arcana/suit-of-pentacles/eight-of-pentacles/
The Eight of Pentacles shows a young man labouring over eight coins, carefully etching out a pentacle shape into each coin. In the background, there is a small town, however he has separated himself from the distractions of home life so that he can fully dedicate himself to the task at hand. He is concentrating very hard, eager to do a good job and avoid any mistakes. As he creates each coin, his skills improve and he becomes a master at his craft.


First, 3 people to read about.

Josephine Peladan was an Artist who furthered the idea of preserving Artifacts and Museums during Wartime.

Joséphin Péladan
http://peladan.net/symbolist-art/who-was-josephin-peladan-3/

Nicholas Roerich was something like a Guru to many in America, almost like a Masonic Icon in the U.S., associated with the Holy Grail and Eastern Mysticism. He created Agni Yoga. He also furthered the cause of preserving Artifacts and Museums in Wartime.

Nicholas Roerich
http://www.roerich.org/roerich-biography.php

Madame Blavatsky was raised in Russia in an Occult library then came to America during the time of the fake Seance, so she used the Seances to get people interested in learning about the Occult, creating Theosophy. Theosophy has continued today and spread very well in India as its central ideas are not outside the scope of Hinduism, and Theosophy also spawned several new Religions around the World.

Madame Blavatsky
https://daily.jstor.org/spiritualism-science-and-the-mysterious-madame-blavatsky/

In any Religious Order there is a Founder. Usually 1 person or a group of people, or some kind of large scale change, like the Bronze Age, or the Iron Age, or the Enlightenment Period, or the Atomic Age. For example in Christianity, Judaism and Islam there is Abraham. Abraham was promised by God to be the Father of Nations, and then Jacob, Jacob's ladder which came to him in a Dream while he was sleeping on Jacob's pillow, and the British Empire still uses the Stone of Scone to Coronate their Kings and Queens and some people think that is Jacob's pillow. He may have also been the one who met someone who was God in Human form, and wrestled him until God ripped his Hip Bone out of his socket, then he named him Israel. In Bahai, this would be the Bab, in Thelma it might be Aleister Crowley, Helena Blavatsky for Theosophy, etc. It is harder to say for the Bronze Age, and Iron Age Religions, as they usually suggest the Gods founded the Religions, or are Animistic in Nature. For example, the Greek Gods Kairos and Chronos which are 2 forms of Time Passage, these are simply undeniable existing things. And Christians call Kairos Time, "Gods Time".

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Chronos and Kairos
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Then there are Prophets, they lay out the Future for the Religion. These in the Bible are like Ezekiel and Isiah. For Theosophy, maybe Nicolas Roerich. In Bahai, this would still be the Bab, and Bahai may be considered an Abrahamic Religion because of this. The Prophets may also predict someone who is going to come in the Future. An example of a Religion that does not really have this is Buddhism, except for a few forms like Tibetan Buddhism, which has the Dalai Lama who is reincarnated over and over, and in each Generation they seek out the child who he is reborn as, and he is basically their Pope.

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Then it spreads quickly through space (and time), unless like Judaism it is an Ethno-Religious group, where more people can convert, but the Religion is based on a National Identity, or at the very least a Language and Community (but many religions can claim Community basis). Another example of this, an Ethno-Religious Group, is the Yizidis. And, eventually someone comes who fulfills the Prophecies, the Messiah. Many Jews thought that John the Baptist was going to be the Messiah, and there may also be Established things that happen previous, like for the Greeks they formed States, Commerce (Roads, Amber Routes), Temples, Armies, etc. For the Egyptians, they created Art and Science, same in the Indus Valley, all passing it to the Greeks during Hellenization, after Alexander the Great Conquered all the way to Pakistan (which is why it is so different from India Culturally). The Jewish people had King David, and King Solomon and others, then Christianity has Jesus, Islam has Muhammad, Bahai has Bahá'u'lláh, and at that point they go on to create more things, and sign Treaties and become part of everything, part of regular everday life and things people use or do everyday. In Theosophy this can be seen in US Presidents, and others who embraced Nicolas Roerich as a Prophet. In the Bronze Age Religions, these people are still happening. there are still people practicing Ancient Greek Religion and bringing it back on a larger scale, and there are Rappers and other people Practicing Egyptian Religion (all the Illuminati imagery), and Hinduism has existed for 4,500 Years.

One of the most important indicia of 'a religion' is that the particular collection of ideas and/or practices involves belief in the supernatural, that is to say, belief that reality extends beyond that which is capable of perception by the senses. If that be absent, it is unlikely that one has 'a religion'.

(1) Ultimate Ideas: Fundamental Questions about life, purpose and death

(2) Metaphysical Beliefs: Beliefs addressing a reality that transcends the physical and immediate apparent world

(3) Moral and Ethical System: Proscription of a particular manner of acting or a way of life that is moral or ethical

(4) Comprehensive Beliefs: An overarching array of beliefs that coalesce to provide the believer with answers to many of the problems and concerns that confront humans

(5) Accoutrements of Religion: The presence of various external signs of Religion

in·di·ci·a
/inˈdiSH(ē)ə/
noun
signs, indications, or distinguishing marks.

su·per·nat·u·ral
/ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
adjective
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

pre·ter·nat·u·ral
/ˌprēdərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
adjective
beyond what is normal or natural.

met·a·phys·ics
/ˌmedəˈfiziks/
noun
the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, time, and space.

ac·cou·tre·ment
/əˈko͞odərmənt/
noun
additional items of dress or equipment, or other items carried or worn by a person or used for a particular activity.

the·ur·gy
/ˈTHēərjē/
noun
the operation or effect of a supernatural or divine agency in human affairs.

proph·e·sy
/ˈpräfəˌsī/
verb
present participle: prophesying
say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future.

or·a·cle
/ˈôrək(ə)l/
noun
a priest or priestess acting as a medium through whom advice or prophecy was sought from the gods in classical antiquity.

ves·sel
/ˈvesəl/
(chiefly in or alluding to biblical use) a person, especially regarded as holding or embodying a particular quality.

dream
/drēm/
noun
a series of thoughts, images, and sensations occurring in a person's mind during sleep.

vi·sion
/ˈviZHən/
an experience of seeing someone or something in a dream or trance, or as a supernatural apparition.

som·ni·um
/ˈsom.ni.um/
noun
dream, vision

the spirit world
phrase
the non-physical realm in which disembodied spirits have their existence.

"Hypnos had many children, but he selected Morpheus to be the god of Dreams because of his uncanny ability to assume forms and mimic living beings. Morpheus was assisted by the Oneiroi (Greek for Dreams) who were all his brothers. They helped him to create the dreams of humans. One sibling, Icelus, made the dreams seem real, while another, Phobetor, was responsible for phobic or terrifying dreams. Then Phantasus, the third brother, created fantastic and surreal dreams. Morpheus was their leader. As a result, he ensured that he alone oversaw the dreams of monarchs and heroes. Moreover, he could even appear to the Gods in Olympus. Unlike his brothers, all of Morpheus’ dreams were true and many prophetic… Morpheus did not merely make people dream of simple and everyday things. He was doing so much more. Morpheus was a messenger of the gods and he was transmitting, through dreams, messages from the divinities. The Greeks, and later the Romans, believed that many dreams were portents and omens." -https://classicalwisdom.com/mythology/gods/morpheus-the-god-of-dreams/

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Micah 3:6 "Therefore it shall be night to you, without vision, and darkness to you, without divination. The sun shall go down on the prophets, and the day shall be black over them"

1 Samuel 3:1 "Now the young man Samuel was ministering to the Lord under Eli. And the word of the Lord was rare in those days; there was no frequent vision."

1 Samuel 28:6 "And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord Did not answer him, either by dreams, or by Urim, or by prophets."

Daniel 7:1 "In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel saw a dream and visions of his head as he lay in his bed. Then he wrote down the dream and told the sum of the matter."

1 Corinthians 14:1 "Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy."

Amos 3:7 “For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets"

Numbers 12:6 "And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream."

Daniel 1:17 "As for these four youths, God gave them learning and skill in all literature and wisdom, and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams."

Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’"

Genesis 46:2 "And God spoke to Israel in visions of the night and said, “Jacob, Jacob.” And he said, “Here am I.”"

Genesis 28:12 "And he dreamed, and behold, there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven. And behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it!"

Joel 2:28-32 or Acts 2:16-21 "But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day."

Daniel 7:1-28 "In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel saw a dream and visions of his head as he lay in his bed. Then he wrote down the dream and told the sum of the matter. Daniel declared, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea. And four great beasts came up out of the sea, different from one another. The first was like a lion and had eagles' wings. Then as I looked its wings were plucked off, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man, and the mind of a man was given to it. And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side. It had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Arise, devour much flesh.’ …"

Daniel 4:5 "I saw a dream that made me afraid. As I lay in bed the fancies and the visions of my head alarmed me."

"THE ONEIROI were the dark-winged spirits (daimones) of dreams which emerged each night like a flock of bats from their cavernous home in Erebos--the land of eternal darkness beyond the rising sun. The Oneiroi passed through one of two gates (pylai). The first of these, made of horn, was the source of the prophetic god-sent dreams, while the other, constructed of ivory, was the source of dreams which were false and without meaning. The term for nightmare was melas oneiros (dark dream)." -https://www.theoi.com/Daimon/Oneiroi.html

"Phantasos (Φαντασoς) whose name is "fantasy" or "apparition", is one of the Oneiroi triplets along with Morpheus and Ikelos.

In Ovid's Metamorphoses, Phantasos was one of the sons (triplets, sometimes simply the most prominent three of many) of Hypnos (god of sleep) and Pasithea (goddess of relaxation, meditation, and hallucinations), or Nyx (goddess of night) and Erebus (god of darkness).

Phantasos' brothers/fellow Oneiroi are Morpheus (who excels in presenting human images) and Ikelos (who presents images of beasts, birds and serpents).

Phantasos was the God of surreal dreams; he represents the inanimate objects seen in Prophetic dreams – images of earth, rock, water, and wood."
-https://greekmythology.wikia.org/wiki/Phantasos

Latin Religio meaning:
"reverence for God or the gods, careful pondering of divine things, piety"

Latin Opinari meaning:
"to have an opinion or "to think."


Relevant Bible Verses:

Mark 11:27-33 - Jesus’ Authority Questioned

1 Samuel 28 - Saul Consults a Medium

Genesis 28:10-22 - Jacob’s Dream at Bethel

Genesis 37 - Joseph’s Dreams

Matthew 12:1 - The Lord of the Sabbath

Matthew 23 - Jesus Condemns the Pharisees and the Teachers of the Law of Moses

Mark 7 - Jesus Challenges the Pharisees’ Traditions

For reference as to the Issuance of Religious Documents, please see Letter “Iuvenescit Ecclesia” to the Bishops of the Catholic Church Regarding the Relationship Between Hierarchical and Charismatic Gifts in the Life and the Mission of the Church in which the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, the Holy See, accepts that speaking in Tongues and other Charisms are part of the Mission of the Church. To understand this, look to Hellenization when Alexander the Great pulled all the land from Macedonia to Pakistan into 1 Empire, which was then taken by Rome. During Hellenization Statue Crafting, which had gone from Egypt/Kemet to Rome traveled East to India where Statues are made of the Gods now, Christians even know call Hindus "Idolators", believing they Worship Statues, when we are Polytheists (meaning we have many Gods); the Muslims call us Islam calls us Mushrikin, or "Those who put a Partner with God". Meaning, for example, teaching that God had a Wife, or that God had Children, etc, this is Mushrikin. During Hellenization Gem Crafting and other Arts moved from India in the East to Rome in the West. Spices, Herbs, Fruits, Animals and Minerals Traveled between Cultures. The Book Aegyptiaca was written in Egypt/Kemet, by Manetho, who was a Priest of Serapis in Sebennytos where Jesus' family fled from Herod 300 years later…

"Manetho, (flourished c. 300 BCE), Egyptian priest who wrote a history of Egypt in Greek, probably commissioned by Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–246). Manetho’s history has not survived except for some fragments of narrative in Josephus’s treatise“Against Apion” and tables of dynasties, kings, and lengths of reigns given in the works of Julius Africanus, Eusebius, and George Syncellus. The fragments thus preserved showed that Manetho’s work was based on good native sources, perhaps both oral and written. These fragments have been of much service to scholars in determining the succession of kings where the archaeological evidence was inconclusive, and Manetho’s division of the rulers of ancient Egypt into 30 dynasties is still used as the basic framework for ancient Egyptian history." -https://www.britannica.com/biography/Manetho

Berossus wrote Babyloniaca, which was the History of Babylon and Introduced Astrology to the West. You may think of Statues as Eastern, but they came from the West; and you may think of Astrology as Western or Greek, but it comes from the East...

"Berossus T 1-3... a Babylonian, a Chaldean, a priest of Bel (i.e., of Mar­duk), and a contemporary of Alexander the Great (336-­23 b.c.)...Only one work by Berossus is attested, the Babyloniaca, a history of Babylon in three books intended to correct Greek misconceptions about Babylon, which was probably written in 281 b.c." -Encyclopedia Iranica, Vol. IV, Fasc. 2, pp. 165-166

The Bab created a Religion by stopping one day and beginning to preach, eventually being Executed by the Iranian Government, but Prophesying a Messiah who is thought to have come shortly after, by which time Iran had become Territory divided in Civil War based on exterminating this Religion...

"The Bāb, byname of Mīrzā ʿAlī Moḥammad of Shīrāz, (born October 20, 1819, or October 9, 1820, Shīrāz, Iran—died July 9, 1850, Tabrīz), a merchant’s son whose claim to be the Bāb (Gateway) to the hidden imām (the perfect embodiment of Islamic faith) gave rise to the Bābī religion and made him one of the three central figures of the Bahāʾī Faith." -https://www.britannica.com/biography/the-Bab

Noble Drew Ali is the Founder of the Moorish Science Temple, which is similar to the Shriners, but consider themselves to be Moors, of the Moorish Empire, Morrocan but on a broader scale...

"Noble Drew Ali was the founder and prophet of the Moorish Science Temple of America, the first mass religious community in the history of American Islam and the black nationalist model for the Nation of Islam. He was born Timothy Drew on January 8, 1886, to parents who were ex-slaves in North Carolina. His earliest followers believed that he was an orphan for most of his childhood and was raised by the Cherokee Indians. After several years as a merchant seaman, he established the Canaanite Temple, the first Moorish-American community, in Newark, New Jersey, in 1913. In the 1920s, he renamed his community several times, as the Moorish Holy Temple of Science, the Moorish Science Temple of America, and the Moorish Divine and National Movement of North America, Inc., and founded new temples in several midwestern and southern cities. The Moorish-American community grew to approximately thirty thousand members and was the largest Islamic community in the United States before the ascendancy of the Nation of Islam in the 1950s." -https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/legal-and-political-magazines/noble-drew-ali-1886-1929-religious-leader

"The Vatican’s influence crosses borders and subverts states; it is a metaphysical kingdom, although one with a very real, physical seat. That seat, the Holy See or Vatican City, is so synonymous with Christianity today that it is easy to forget its roots in pagan Rome’s darkest hours. But they are there, buttressing the spiritual state that stands today, counterpointing and reinforcing it.

For the Vatican – itself a pagan term, referring to the Etruscan goddess who guarded the necropolis on Vatican hill and later gave rise to the Latin word for prophecy – was built on a site where Christians were slaughtered and tortured. Including, of course, one of the greatest Christians in all hagiography: Saint Peter himself.

The notorious Caligula built an enormous amphitheater here for public games and races, placing in its center an obelisk from Heliopolis, Egypt in 37 BC. But Nero, arguably the greatest scourge of Christians in the Roman Empire, was said to have been responsible for the execution of St Peter. After the great fire of Rome in 64 AD, Nero blamed the Christians and persecuted them with greater zeal.

Legend has it that the apostle asked to be crucified upside down as he deemed himself unworthy of being killed in the same manner as Christ. Peter’s body was flung into a pauper’s grave, but later recovered and, according to legend, still lies in the heart of the Vatican necropolis.

After Nero’s death, many of his sporting arenas, including the one on Vatican hill, were abandoned or converted. Slowly, this site became a place of pilgrimage and ultimately the seat of the first ever Basilica of Saint Peter, commissioned by Constantine. According to legend, the obelisk that remains from the days of Caligula also marks the spot where Peter was killed. It became a kind of beacon for Christians; many others conquered from the ancient world were dug up, restored and placed across the city by Pope Sisto V (1585-1590), who wanted to help pilgrims to Rome map out their route. If you could followthe line of obelisks set up across the city, you knew you were on the right track. When the Basilica was rebuilt during the Renaissance, the obelisk retained its crucial place in the heart of the square.

The new Basilica’s dome was famously designed by Michelangelo in old age; supposed to represent the head of Christ, the great artist’s assistants feared that Michelangelo’s design was too steep, and softened the shape of the dome. The Basilica is said to stand for the body of Christ, while Bernini’s wonderful curved colonnades are the arms of God, welcoming pilgrims and embracing them. The pilgrim, first seeing this glorious site, could be cowed into fearful submission, if he failed to look up at the saints and apostles on top of the colonnades. Triumphant and encouraging, these saints remind the visitor that they too were once full of sin but have been changed by their faith. Even today, the casual tourist on a trip to the Vatican senses the architect’s purpose and is transported back to the time when this great story began."
-https://www.romaexperience.com/rome-blog/true-story-of-the-vatican/


Title: Re: Fundamentals
Post by: Tokenista on December 08, 2020, 09:07:03 PM
Roman Numerals is where our Math Originated, with other Number systems. Before that, the Alphabet was the letters and Numbers for most people. In North Africa they used Geometry to do Calculus, and weighed instead of counting. The weight was the Count in many cases, the same way money is weighed now with 1g representing a bill x $100 when measuring massive amounts. Like the phrase "worth its weight in Gold". In Carthage this was how it worked.


I will explain how this concept works in modern times to give this a more comprehensive definition here.

The Punic Mind, and the Carthaginian Mjnd. First, we can get a clear example in the fact that the North Africans worshipped Tannit, which is a conglomerate of several Egyptian Goddesses, which makes her Justice, Gravity, the Force that Holds the Universe together, we can comprehend it today by first thinking of the "Big Bang" Theory, if we take that perspective, the Universe was at some time all in 1 Small point. It is likely our Universe collapsed into existence out of a dying Universe, but that is a whole other subject. When our Universe came into existence through that point it then began to expand, and all things are 1, expanding, that is the Universe.

Then if I say "there is a Force connecting you to me, and us to Earth, and the Moon to Earth, and all of us to the Sun, pulling us together" it sounds like New Age mumbo jumbo. If I say "Gravity" you say, "Oh yeah, that force holding everything together connecting us to the Moon and Sun, causing Tides". Tannit, or Ma'at was Gravity, and Equated with Justice. Our "Blind Justice" Statues are her.

Now, for a clear example of Carthaginian Mathematics, we can look at Hannibal Barca's Victory over the Romans at Cannae, where they had no way of counting the dead other than to collect their rings, then determine how many each rank was in charge of that they had killed, and figure it out from there. So they had no infinite Numerical Digit system, but they did understand numbers on large scale still.

A modern example would be this, where you can measure something and once it is done there is no way of double checking, you can not reweigh it. But it is accurate, and helps to create microdoses.

If you have 1/2 gram of a powder, which is equal to 500mg and you want to put 1mg in a dosage, you could put 500mg in 1/2 Liter which is 500ml and now you have 1mg/1ml and you can use a medicine cap or measured pipette or dropper to measure 1ml. 1ml is 1mg and you know that because you weighed the powder and measured the volume of the liquid. This is how LSD is measured also, but one big dose of LSD is 100μg micrograms, there are 1000mg in 1 Gram, but there are 1000μg micrograms in 1mg. So using liquid and measuring the solid on a scale can give you even precise dosages on the smallest microdosing level.

Once it is done you know what you have, but you can't double check that in any way unless you evaporate the liquid, which Punics had the capability of doing also. Egyptians carried around Wax Blobs with certain weights, like having a GPS on your Ancient Scales, meaning the Scale was like a Map, then kind of put on GPS (now with GPS, no one has to remember directions anywhere) when using Wax and Metal Blobs.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 09, 2020, 04:15:38 AM
Just so that this concept exists in the World, I am going to post about what made Hannibal Barca so successful against the Romans, a part from the blatantly obvious in that he was a Tactical Genius.

The Romans saw Hannibal as a Barbarian, the Phoenicians and Punics had been the premiere Civilization for 1,500 years and was by most metrics far more advanced than Rome. But in the Roman Senate's view, he was a Barbarian, and the Senators also acted a Military Commanders, and they were all very excited to go crush the Barbarian, the Uncivilized Animals.

This can be seen best by overlaying it on 2 other concepts, first "The Most Dangerous Game" in which a hunter kidnaps humans to then hunt for sport on his property, and the modern idea of the "Lizard Brain" in the Criminology aspect.

If we look at the most Dangerous Game, the Hunter is like the Romans, excited to go out against the Barbarian for sport, Hunting an Animal. And this can be seen as the Romans kind of doing an analysis of Hannibal as lizard brained. But just like in the Most Dangerous Game, the Barbarian was much more capable, having honed his skills for other purposes, and being put up against the overeager Megalomaniacs. He was able to see their Animal Nature far better than they were. And maybe because he was a "Barbarian", and not in spite of the fact.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Wind_FURY on December 09, 2020, 05:37:48 AM

I think maybe with the Distruptive Technology aspect of Bitcoin in FinTech, and early denials from the MIT crowd that Bitcoin would ever be $1,000, and then everything borne from them being wrong, led to an ignorance to reality.


The Cypherpunks themselves, who for years were finding a way to develop a decentralized currency for the internet, didn't believe it had a chance except for Hal Finney.

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Maybe Satoshi releasing Bitcoin open source was not fortune, but Fate.


Don't put anything mystical in there, it simply started as an open slurce project, like many other ground-breaking projects.

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This is Fate, and we can see it on the Blockchain.


Or simply, a part of the evolution of "money".

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ASICs got too powerful, Litecoin was made and everyone gave ASICs the Baby. Then it happened over and over.

Then the ETH Fork, the end of the World as some Billed it. But, everyone survived with their communities. You could maybe say they split the Baby there, but really they were after their own babies and all got their own babies.

Steemit and Hive, TRON and LGCY.

Christians call it "Degrading" from a Golden Age with Adam and Eve, and Crypto traders might frame it the same way. Bitcoin was a Golden age and now we have a Million Alts.

It is Fate. And I will get deeper into these concepts in this thread using the Tarot suit of Pentacles.


It doesn't change that they are merely shitcoins.

Entertaining thread!


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Kakmakr on December 09, 2020, 07:41:52 AM
Hey, for this theory to be applicable to Bitcoin.... one of the parties have to be fooled, that by killing the baby... they would be sacrificing something precious. This clearly did not happen with Bitcoin when all these forks and Alt coins came out. A lot of people even think those Alt coins and forks add value to the whole Crypto currency experiment.

This is the reasons why :

1. Alt coins can be seen as the "test" coin for improvements in Bitcoin. (The protocol can be changed with consensus, if some new feature needs to be added)
2. Most forked coins and Alt coins ends up being sold for Fiat and some of that money are then used to buy bitcoins.
3. Fiat currency are turned into Crypto currencies. (Taking the "bad" money and turning it into something better)

OP, you should really add some value to your posts, by explaining how the "Wall of text" being copied and pasted.. relates to Bitcoin. (Add a Summary at the bottom, explaining it)   


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: jaberwock on December 09, 2020, 09:21:36 AM
Well, you wrote a good article though I think it’s a very long one and not everyone likes reading long articles, but it’s still a good one. Maybe it’s fate as you really said, bitcoin is not the first time that anyone has tried creating something as of such, there have been those who tried it as of the 90’s and it never worked out, nobody care about what they are talking about, but when Bitcoin was created a lot of people started to adopt it without too much stress and it became a success.

Although I think what helped to boost Bitcoin is because this is the internet age. A lot of things these days are all about the internet.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 12, 2020, 02:51:14 AM
Hey, for this theory to be applicable to Bitcoin.... one of the parties have to be fooled, that by killing the baby... they would be sacrificing something precious. This clearly did not happen with Bitcoin when all these forks and Alt coins came out. A lot of people even think those Alt coins and forks add value to the whole Crypto currency experiment.

This is the reasons why :

1. Alt coins can be seen as the "test" coin for improvements in Bitcoin. (The protocol can be changed with consensus, if some new feature needs to be added)
2. Most forked coins and Alt coins ends up being sold for Fiat and some of that money are then used to buy bitcoins.
3. Fiat currency are turned into Crypto currencies. (Taking the "bad" money and turning it into something better)

OP, you should really add some value to your posts, by explaining how the "Wall of text" being copied and pasted.. relates to Bitcoin. (Add a Summary at the bottom, explaining it)  

Go look at the articles people posted before the ETH ETC fork, it was the end of the world.

If you can't figure out how Ancient Financial concepts that make up our economy, relate to Bitcoin, I don't think anything I say is going to help.

I mean so far I have explained a lot about Tribalism, Wealth, etc, and Religious concepts to further these explaination.

And I have framed it as clearly as I could using Carthage and the Punics as the Framework by which you can further understand this, instead of just the European Framework. And I am even going so far as to explain how this Ancient Culture understood Value(s).

Well, you wrote a good article though I think it’s a very long one and not everyone likes reading long articles, but it’s still a good one. Maybe it’s fate as you really said, bitcoin is not the first time that anyone has tried creating something as of such, there have been those who tried it as of the 90’s and it never worked out, nobody care about what they are talking about, but when Bitcoin was created a lot of people started to adopt it without too much stress and it became a success.

Although I think what helped to boost Bitcoin is because this is the internet age. A lot of things these days are all about the internet.

Bitcoin is definitely part of a long History. Community Currencies are a good example.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on December 18, 2020, 07:12:31 PM
I will make the next Pentacle post soon, I have been updating PunicWax.com with new info and will be adding more soon

Introduction to Understanding of Ancient Mysteries
http://www.punicwax.com/2020/12/introduction-to-understanding-of.html

Punic Wax: Beeswax Incense Cones and Sacred Perfumes in Ancient Egypt
http://www.punicwax.com/2020/08/punic-wax-beeswax-incense-cones-and.html

Discovering Punic Wax
http://www.punicwax.com/2020/08/discovering-punic-wax.html

JACHIN AND BOAZ; OR, AN AUTHENTIC KEY TO THE DOOR OF FREE-MASONRY
http://www.punicwax.com/2020/08/jachin-and-boaz-or-authentic-key-to.html

The Punic Grimoire: Visions, Dream Work, Tibetan Dream Yoga Intro, Divination and Healing
http://www.punicwax.com/2020/09/the-punic-grimoire-visions-dream-work.html

The Punic Grimoire: Cadiz and The Goddesses, Part 1; The Anthropomorphization of Blind Justice
http://www.punicwax.com/2020/12/the-punic-grimoire-cadiz-and-goddesses.html


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on January 03, 2021, 12:50:26 AM
One way you can tell money is an Earth Element, is first by looking at the various symbologies used by the U.S. Founding Fathers and Mints, early Cryptography, and really 1700s wasn't "early" Cryptology, just Pre-Digital.

There is an Art to creating Currencies that can not be counterfeited, and that itself is "Cryptocurrency" these are just now Digital Cryotocurrencies. The U.K. and U.S. have been spreading Cryptographic currencies since they started, and so have others.

And if you are wondering if there is a symbol showing Dollars are meant to be Earth Currents, they are Green. If you could choose to make your encrypted puzzle used to symbolize your Nations Resources, and Capibility, any Color, or number of Colors, and you were in the 1600s-1800s, with access to all the World's dyes, ,would your first choice naturally be "Green"?


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on March 28, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
I have had to postpone everything, like this thread for example, until now due to COVID Pandemic issues, and having to fight the State of Texas over COVID money. But, we are getting everything moving, and those things in themselves are a good example of Fate and Economics, and I want to expand on this.

Foreign Currency Trading (FOREX), Stock Trading, even trading things like Gold and Silver, are all similar but different. Silver is talked about in commercials, they say things about how low it is now, and how primed it is to spike, and what it has been before. Silver has several uses, in Industry, Manufacturing and Research, as well as non-Recyclable Consumables like Colloidal Silver. But everyone and their Grandma used to have a Drawer full of... "Silver Wares" and Teapots and Cups, etc, they used to have Warehouses everywhere full of Silver, and Silver Crafting was a common job. Not that we can not go back to that point, or that Silver Consumables couldn't cause rarity, but we can actually look and see why Silver went down, why it was up, and how we could do it again.

We can also look to Iraq, where ISIS robbed the Bank of Mosul, took all the Gold, took over the Oil feilds, and decimated the value of the Iraqi Dinar. But, if Iraq now turns around and their National Production of Value could turn around their Currency.

Brexit was similar, when Britain left the EU the price of the British Pound went down, there was a Crisis and the "Fed" (like the Federal Reserve) of Britain had to come talk about how they were going to prop up the Market. But then it went back up.

The Economy is not a thing separate from the Earth, it is the Current. Markets are not the Economy either, and there is a National Economy and a World Economy, which is just our production of Value as a Nation or World.

A Stock represents the Value, Productivity, Innovation, Development, of a Company. A Currency represents that for a Nation, and it is balanced with Bonds. Then as Stocks and Currency go down, Gold goes up. So it is best to use Currency to buy Materials for Manufacturing, or Software, Land, Services, etc. Then use those to get more money, or do that same thing by watching other people do that and Buy their stocks. That is why there are shows where Rich people come invest in people's companies to make them better, those 2 things go together, you want to buy Stocks in a Company that could maybe otherwise be your company if you weren't just an investor, like something you know how it works and that it will work. Then you can see how even starting from scratch can be like trading Stocks.

Then, when all those Markets are down, Gold goes up in value, this means you can go get more USD or whatever Currency for your Gold than usual. So when Stocks are down, you can watch Gold go up and you Sell and the top, wait for it to go down and Buy more Gold at the lower price or Reinvest that money to make more money.

But all of it is just a Current, which is why I talk about "Grounding" your Currency to the Earth.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: CarnagexD on March 28, 2021, 10:38:03 PM
A very good analysis and concept. Although I am not really into fate, or destiny, as I believe it imposes complacency to people. It is possible that Satoshi saw the market and the current society for the cesspool it is and decided to create a technology that will allow the world of the future to become a little bit liveable, it's not that impossible considering he is a very smart guy for him to even make a project like this.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on March 28, 2021, 11:13:11 PM
A very good analysis and concept. Although I am not really into fate, or destiny, as I believe it imposes complacency to people. It is possible that Satoshi saw the market and the current society for the cesspool it is and decided to create a technology that will allow the world of the future to become a little bit liveable, it's not that impossible considering he is a very smart guy for him to even make a project like this.

Thanks.

I am just saying, maybe some things seem new, but they seem that way because it all happened just as it was supposed to, so that the Natural Order could continue. Like, maybe if not Satoshi, someone else and just a little different, like SHA, Scrypt, CryptoNote, etc. And it is really just what we have always done.

I am going to get deeper into this soon, but the Puny Punic, a story of slavery in 200 B.C. Rome not much different than today or the 1800s, is Evidence of a Human History that is more Fate driven than we realize. Slavery in America existed because we as a Society, believed:

1. Noah was seen Naked, and Cursed one of his Children, and thereby a Race or Nation

2. Carthage Deserved to be Destroyed, proving that the Nation was African and that God willed Africans into Slavery.

But now, we realize Noah was wrong to curse when it was he who was Naked, it was not the fault of his child for seeing him.

It is hard to say all of this simply. The most simple may be:

Greek and Roman Demi-God myths, are a Table of Nations like Noah's. Demi-Gods founding towns, is like talking about Ham, Shem, Esau, etc.

Hercules = Phoenicians, King of the City
Poisideon = Sailing and Horse Clans
Argonauts = Peoples, you see a Ship builder come out of nowhere, Idmon the Argonaut is worshiped like Mopsus the Prophecy God, etc

I am writing a Bibliotheca and this Economics thread will be part of the Tarot part
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/harvard-theological-review/article/abs/berossus-manetho-and-1-enoch-in-the-world-chronicle-of-panodorus/F336A251930BFD503621FBFF01447576

"They further assimilated Dionysus with Liber, a native Italian god who was a son of Ceres. Liber was a god of viniculture and wine, but was also a patron of male procreation, and associated with freedom, free speech, and the rights of adulthood. As Liber Pater, he ensured the success of the harvest, and averted catastrophes. Together with his sister Libera, Liber and Ceres were worshiped as a triad at a temple on the Aventine hill in Rome that was established in 493 BCE. The Aventine Triad were regarded as the patrons of Rome’s “commoners”, the plebeians, the people who worked for a living as laborers, skilled trades persons, managers, and owners of small businesses or farms.

Little is known of the rituals in which these deities were worshiped. Ceres was, of course, associated with the Eleusinian Mysteries, and Bacchus with the Dionysian. Libera was equated, at different times, with Proserpina and with Ariadne, so, again, there is a connection with the Eleusinian Mysteries. The cults were considered “Greek” in character, and were sometimes even described as being “un-Roman”, suggesting that the rites were very different from those usually accorded to Roman gods." -
https://honorthegodsblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/what-is-the-difference-between-the-roman-god/


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on April 05, 2021, 08:09:13 AM
Over the next few days I am going to get into DeFi conceptualization. I wrote the guide on Steemit that ended up defining Steemit Bots, so I promise that you are not wasting your time by reading concepts that come from my brain. This Steemit post has evidence.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@marsresident/i-am-back-but-created-a-new-account-punicwax

SMTs and Scot Bots when they first launched changed the way everyone used STEEM. When STEEM and Steemit started it was worthless, and was actually just Steemit with no currency and a promise of payouts when it launched. The SMTs came when there were so many users they could no longer get to everyone. At first a Whale user would manually curate Steemit, looking through the Trending, Hot and New pages until they found something they wanted to vote on. You could also write about them and slip in a tag and maybe they would see it. Steemit posts about Steemit were the most popular at first, mostly because people new to it, and didn't completely understand Cryptocurrency, it was the first place you could earn for free without without mining, where fresh Crypto people were being introduced to it. The numbers grew and the Whales made bots to Vote for them, either by username or a point based algorithm based on time posted, votes, and strength of other voters by certain times.

You may wonder, "So what happened?", the Anarchocapitalists took over, removed almost all of the Bridge Toll, which started with a 104 week withdraw period with 1 payment per week. After Steemit sold to Justin Sun and TRON, they got in a War with him and lowered it to 2 months or less. And they all went to Hive.io

Hive now claims to be built for dApps, so while Steemit has SMTs and Scot Bots, Hive is built for those not just hosting them coincidentally.

A Scot Bot is a bot which distributes tokens in the same model as Steemit, with Vote weights, Whales, Payout periods/Time to collect Votes, and then they are hosted on Steem-Engine.net and now Hive-Engine.com, and you can take a whole other step and create a DTube clone Scot Bot. The DTube clone means you create a Front End, so people type your website in the browser, you make business cards for your website if you want, it has your webpage name, your logo, and in the wallet are your Tokens in whatever amount they are holding. But they log in using their Steemit username and password, and when they post it goes into a group on Steemit with a hashtag attached to your Front End.

So with a Scot Bot DTube clone people can experience Steemit completely through your website. And earn your currency, thereby raising the traffic in your Steemit group and earning themselves both your Token and STEEM at the same time.

STO is kind of misleading but also not, because STO means "Securities Token Offering", and this is True somewhat as the person who designed Steem-Engine and Hive-Engine seemed to have cooperated with a Securities Attorney to create Packages that can be purchased that comply with various Securities Laws, so these platforms have Tokens that legally comply so that people can, for example create a Token that represents Stocks, or Metals, or anything, even a House.

This is similar, and can best be comprehended by comparing it to, IBM NFTs as Diamonds and Fish. IBM uses these types of Tokens, called "Non-Fungible Tokens" (NFTs) to represent objects, and as they move to different wallets, or checkpoints in the chain of custody, it is recorded on the Blockchain. While these Tokens do not go on a market for sale, which Securities would. There are also very detailed ETH NFT Protocols.

Venezuala's Petro Dollar is kind of anexample, where they were going to peg a Currency to Venezualan Oil (where people burn things down and kill Officials when gas is over $0.08 or something) and trade it, then OPEC told all Countries not to buy it and it collapsed with the Country. But Venezualans are not new to volatile markets, and have actually been using Bitcooin as a store of value, or in place of their currency, pretty much since like 2012 or sooner. They could always trust it to move up more steadily than the Venezualan Peso, which went the other way.

Pegging a Token to Silver or Gemstones can be an easy way to give it real value. Silver is $0.50 per gram and then can be used to represent a currency that can go higher than silver at which point it would be stupid for someone to withdraw the Silver, giving you more valuable coins. Or people load you up such coins that you can set for sale at more than the price of silver.

Local Currencies:
Ithica Bucks and similar, as well as Store Credit, Toys R Us Bucks, and State Fair Coupons or other access Credit systems.

The Access Credit model could best be visualized in someone earning a Concert Ticket with online interaction, or as State Fair Coupons where you buy them before you show up and spend them to do things, maybe at a Festival. I will get deeper into this soon.
I will start this next section with Sweatcoin as PoC, it is a great example for various reasons. 1, a simple Scot Bot would make it all real (if they never got on a blockchain, I am not sure), but Sweatcoin had a great launch and people earned it everywhere, but Sweatcoin was not a Cryptocurrency.

Sweatcoin was created as more like a Game Token, like Points in a video game. The best way to understand what a Cryptocurrency should not be is by understanding that Points are in concept Infinite, they, similarly to Cryptocurrency, could technically be limited, I could create a Points system with limited points. I could create a game map with 500 gemstones, but that game map has no regulatory body there is no Gravity to the Points system like Cryptocurrency.

Cryptocurrency, both Tokens and Coins, are Blockchain based, meaning there are nodes, and a Ledger, an Ledger that can not be gone back through and edited, and while a True Cryptocurrency (meaning the Prime native Currency earned in the Blocks of a Blockchain as you mine it, PoW, PoS, or DPoS) should not have a function where the creator can manifest new Coins, a True Cryptocurrency will come from a Blockchain. Any large mass of Coins owned by the creator should be on a ledger and not manifestible later, CryptoNotes have no ledger but still operate on this basic principle that the Nodes are a Ledger, and the Coin is not Owned by a Central body that Issues new ones, but a Blockchain.

Crypto Tokens, are usually Smart Contracts. First conceptualized as Bitshares Assets from what I know, and Mastercoin, CounterParty somewhere and then ERC20, then all the SMTs, etc came from ERC20 Smart Contracts. But the Contract may allow the Creator to issue new Tokens. A Token is on a Blockchain, moving Transactions on top of whatever Blockchain. Mastercoin and Counterparty are on Bitcoin, there were also Colored Coins. Then Steem-Engine is on STEEM, a Graphene chain. Hive-Engine is on HIVE. ERC20 is Ethereum, TRC20 is TRON, and on and on.


So now to Use cases

A Studio Booth Token as example of Access Credit, earned by listening and sharing Music from the Studio. If you have a Recording Booth, and you want to earn more. You can host a Blockchain from the Studio, that people can mine from anywhere, or a Token they can earn on a certain Blockchain. This Token could be earned on your Website as either a custom thing (GitHub has good resources, people have tons of good stuff to fork) or on Steemit or HIVE, so they then have a World Wide community earning by interacting with their music, recorded by them, and anyone who wants to can bring it in and get recording time, so it creates a larger community. People will buy things from each other outside of your knowledge, someone might trade a pair of shoes for 6 hours of recording time. It creates a whole new way to interact with your business outside of direct service or sales of any kind.

An Access Credit Currency should be named in a way that makes it clearly recognizable by a newcomer, there could be one Currency Brand from a Studio in NY or Miami called "Hours", maybe they are associated with a big label and they sell $5,000 each on the market, and people hold them like Bitcoin, maybe there is even a 2 year wait list when you redeem. They could be NY Hours, Miami Hours, Jay Z Hours, whatever brand they are associated with. And a smaller Studio, or any big Studio, could sell Minutes. A Cryptocurreny could be called MINUTES or NYMIN and MIAMIN, etc. Then there could be the LAMIN, or LAHR come out, and it could even be Studio to Studio Label names on the Minutes. Someone could come out with Seconds, and these would all range in value based on the Studio, the rate of Pay for those earning, etc, etc.

The benefits of getting deep into planning is DAOs as an example, a DAO is a Decentralized Autonomous Organization (DAO) which can best be compared to a massive board of Directors made up of each and every person holding a Currency. A DAO gives users the ability to Vote and shape the future of a Currency or Blickchain by weighting their input to the organization to their Cryptocurrency holdings. So if people are earning Studio Currencies like NYMIN, LAMIN, MIAMIN, etc, the people who don't spend them can help shape the future of the currency, because it will grow and people will use it outside of your Studio, outside of your DAO, they will create ways for people to spend it.

DeFi is an entire concept where coins other people invented or cloned, are pumped through Smart Contracts in a way that technically multiplies them as they are locked in Bank type investment Contracts, with Loans taken out on the Contract to pay for more Investment on Bank type contracts, to take out more and more loans. The creators of the Currencies never planned it.

There is an App for Temporary workers called JobStack that does with the company PeopleReady, and you go on and look for Jobs. Someone like Veryable or other companies could compete (or they could use it) to get more jobs and workers by having a Currency that pays workers, to be available or working and diminishes if you refuse specific jobs after claiming availability. Or if you are just doing it to earn. These could also then be used to pay for projects, turning workers into Employers, and helping existing Employers have a way to maybe buy Low and cash out High on Labor speculation. The Minutes could end up being used in many places.

Tokens for Museums, Zoos, Wildlife and Security Cameras could be used the same way. The Government and others could pay people to watch cameras and report things. It would be like a game to help with Security. People love watching certain Pandas, or Dolphins, and they could have earnings to show for it. Someone might say "Participation Trophies", and sure, but you can buy everyone's up and drive up the price if you want. It is a Currency, a Current. The Tax Law in the U.S. Amendments can best help you understand Currency, it says that The Governent may Tax "Income from any source derived",

US Constitution 16th Amendment:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from  whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States,  and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Eisner V Macomber:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/252/189/case.html

"The fundamental relation of "capital" to  "income" has been much discussed by economists, the former being likened  to the tree or the land, the latter to the fruit or the crop; the  former depicted as a reservoir supplied from springs, the latter as the  outlet stream, to be measured by its flow during a period of time.  For  the present purpose, we require only a clear definition of the term  "income,"   as used in common speech, in order to  determine its meaning in the amendment, and, having formed also a  correct judgment as to the nature of a stock dividend, we shall find it  easy to decide the matter at issue. After examining dictionaries in common use (Bouv. L.D.; Standard  Dict.; Webster's Internat. Dict.; Century Dict.), we find little to add  to the succinct definition adopted in two cases arising under the  Corporation Tax Act of 1909 (Stratton's Independence v. Howbert, 231 U. S. 399,  231 U. S. 415; Doyle v. Mitchell Bros. Co., 247 U. S. 179,  247 U. S. 185),  "Income may be defined as the gain derived from capital, from labor, or  from both combined," provided it be understood to include profit gained  through a sale or conversion of capital assets, to which it was applied  in the Doyle case, pp.  247 U. S. 183-185. Brief as it is, it indicates the characteristic and distinguishing  attribute of income essential for a correct solution of the present  controversy.  The government, although basing its argument upon the  definition as quoted, placed chief emphasis upon the word "gain," which  was extended to include a variety of meanings; while the significance of  the next three words was either overlooked or misconceived.  "Derived from capital;" "the gain derived from capital," etc.  Here, we have the essential matter:  not a gain accruing to capital; not a growth or increment of value in the investment; but a gain, a profit, something of exchangeable value, proceeding from the property, severed from the capital, however invested or employed, and coming in, being "derived" -- that is, received or drawn by the recipient (the taxpayer) for his separate use, benefit and disposal -- that is income derived from property.  Nothing else answers the description.  The same fundamental conception is clearly set forth in the Sixteenth Amendment -- "incomes, from whatever source derived"-- the essential thought being expressed with a conciseness and lucidity entirely in harmony with the form and style of the Constitution. "

 "It is manifest that the stock dividend in question cannot be reached by the Income Tax Act and could not, even  though Congress expressly declared it to be taxable as income, unless it  is in fact income."

 "Gibbons v. Mahon, 136 U. S. 549,  136 U. S. 559-560.  In short, the corporation is no poorer and the stockholder is no richer than they were before."

"And if, for the reasons thus expressed, such a  dividend is not to be regarded as "income" or "dividends" within the  meaning of the Act of 1913, we are unable to see how it can be brought  within the meaning of "incomes" in the Sixteenth Amendment, it being  very clear that Congress intended in that act to exert its power to the  extent permitted by the amendment."

"Just as we deem the legislative intent  manifest to tax the stockholder with respect to such accumulations only  if and when, and to the extent that, his interest in them comes to  fruition as income, that is, in dividends declared, so we can perceive  no constitutional obstacle that stands in the way of carrying out this  intent"

"[The 16th Amendment]  did not extend the taxing power to new  subjects, but merely removed the necessity which otherwise might exist  for an apportionment among the states of taxes laid on income.  Brushaber v. Union Pacific R. Co., 240 U. S. 1,  240 U. S. 17-19; Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U. S. 103,  240 U. S. 112 et seq.; Peck & Co. v. Lowe, 247 U. S. 165,  247 U. S. 172-173. "

"In order, therefore, that the clauses cited  from Article I of the Constitution may have proper force and effect,  save only as modified by the amendment, and that the latter also may  have proper effect, it becomes essential to distinguish between what is  and what is not "income," as the term is there used, and to apply the  distinction, as cases arise, according to truth and substance, without  regard to form. Congress cannot by any definition it may adopt conclude  the matter, since it cannot by legislation alter the Constitution, from  which alone it derives its power to legislate, and within whose  limitations alone that power can be lawfully exercised."

 "We are clear that not only does a stock  dividend really take nothing from the property of the corporation and  add nothing to that of the shareholder, but that the antecedent  accumulation of profits evidenced thereby, while indicating that the  shareholder is the richer because of an increase of his capital, at the  same time shows he has not realized or received any income in the  transaction."

"It is equally true that, if he does sell, and  in doing so realizes a profit, such profit, like any other, is income,  and, so far as it may have arisen since the Sixteenth Amendment, is  taxable by Congress without apportionment."

 "Thus, the government contends that the tax "is  levied on income derived from corporate earnings," when in truth the  stockholder has "derived" nothing except paper certificates, which, so  far as they have any effect, deny him present participation in such  earnings.  It contends that the tax may be laid when earnings "are  received by the stockholder," whereas he has received none; that the  profits are "distributed by means of a stock dividend," although a stock  dividend distributes no profits; that, under the Act of 1916, "the tax  is on the stockholder's share in corporate earnings," when in truth a  stockholder has no such share, and receives none in a stock dividend;  that "the profits are segregated from his former capital, and he has a  separate certificate representing his invested profits or gains," "

"We cannot disregard the essential truth  disclosed, ignore the substantial difference between corporation and  stockholder, treat the entire organization as unreal, look upon  stockholders as partners when they are not such, treat them as having in  equity a right to a partition of the corporate assets when they have  none, and indulge the fiction that they have received and realized a  share of the profits of the company which in truth they have neither  received nor realized."

"Thus, from every point of view, we are brought  irresistibly to the conclusion that neither under the Sixteenth  Amendment nor otherwise has Congress power to tax without apportionment a  true stock dividend made lawfully and in good faith, or the accumulated  profits behind it, as income of the stockholder.  The Revenue Act of  1916, insofar as it imposes a tax upon the stockholder because of such  dividend, contravenes the provisions of Article I, § 2, cl. 3, and  Article I, § 9, cl. 4, of the Constitution, and to this extent is  invalid notwithstanding the Sixteenth Amendment."


Rewards Points, Game Tokens like in individual games or as in an arcade, as well as Augmented Reality Access Credits (Decentraland, ex), and Tokens that are a game like Gradients (CryptoKitties), or dynamic like a hot potato with PoS qualities. Tokens may also work as Keys in the Access Credits model, but could be used to Unlock things as in Kerberos. Decentraland is a Virtual Reality space that sold property and has a Currency, and from my understanding of the original concept they intend it to be freely selected by the people, but for each area to be different. Like where you can go to different styles of places, or like time period themes, or maybe games v. social, etc. So this same concept can be used at Festivals, or like someone could do it at a Theme Park in place of the E-Z pass, or on top of. The E-Z pass people could probably make a very very successful currency. The Bitshares Asset concept was originally meant to be like Concert tickets, Coupons, etc. But they are like Brownie Points now, but they are the same type of thing IBM uses for their NFTs.
Basic Attention Token (BAT) and DTube as existing PoC for Attention Tokens, the idea is just then now to actually apply the concept to Corporate Currency as in applied Local Economics, or State Economics, or Interstate Economics. BAT is a Token on a Browser that sounds great at first, but has an earnings model where you earn but have to use it to Tip web pages, then they can cash them out. And while this keeps the Tokens locked in as forced to move through the Tip functionality, this does limit user acceptance and retention. DTube is similar but better, it exists on top of HIVE (it was originally on Steemit) so not an entirely new browser everyone has to download, and you earn it alongside HIVE, then it also has a larger community, and itself is like a YouTube tip Token for "Decentralized Tube" (DTube). It is a Token in the Scot Bot model.

The Access Credit is like Mining for Coupons or Tickets, and can be compared to Basic Attention Token with other qualities as it is used as a Access Credit.

Steemit is a rough clone of Reddit, meant to look and work like it

Gems (not really in use now) is Telegram, this could be used by someone to create Apps. Go get the Gems Github on Google and Fork it, and build your App, called a dApp.

DTube is YouTube.

More could be remade with Blockchains and Tokens, I have seen an Instagram.

APPICS is an SMT that was built on Steemit and works like Instagram kind of.


Home Town Currencies
Starting with no local shop acceptance but a main goal of local shop acceptance, you would either make a Token or Clone ETH and have friends help distribute. If you are not sitting on Millions to start your project or able to do an ICO properly to get it, then the very best thing you can do is to Give them away for Free so more and more people can hold it and share it. You want ambassadors, and people just handing them out maybe as a group of people mining your coin giving it away and teaching others.

Petitioning Companies to accept your currency, and exchanges to list it, the more Token holders the better. You can ask the Coin or Token holders to petition exchanges to join, and you can get listed for about $1,000 or less on some exchanges. You do want to be on an exchange before you start asking companies to accept you as money, but you can then go to local shops and show them your currency.

Truancy Token as an example of an Access Credit, this would be done with a School or Corporate Office, and it would work like Vacation Benefits where the person earns rewards for appearing at work or school, and they then can use those to access Graduation or Promotion, and they can also go on an exchange to be sold, or technically if the Company wants they could be bought and traded for rank. But in the school model they would be a reward that could then maybe be traded in to the school for prizes, for example it could be a booster club currency.

Example: App where people are paid to lose weight, people could sign up, track their progress with images for everyone, there could even be weigh days where people are running around the app getting paid to Verify others, and those getting Verified are getting ranked based on IoT scales or FitBits, etc, that can be used to measure. So this way it is both a "lose weight and earn" with payment from the blockchain, plus a place to get paid for casual fitness, as well as rankings and payments for all users. There are a few currencies like this on Steem-Engine and Hive-Engine, similar to APPICS. Maybe the more you hold the more you earn when Verifying others, as a HODL draw for Buy Support.

Festival Currencies
With 1 Currency or with DEX, meaning either the overall caravan company would create a currency or each company would start making their own and the caravan or someone else is manufacturing them. But the central festival body would create a DEX if there were many (or use Hive-Engine), while with 1 Currency they could go on an exchange and say "there it is". These could then have an Access Credit, used like State Fair Coupons to be spent with Vendors or Events. Like a SXSW coin could be used to pay for access more granularly instead of buying larger passes, like maybe you just want to see 1 big keynote and go home. You can pay just for that.

Industry Currencies
These Tokens and Currencies would be industry specific, so several applications exist, and the best reference is Trade Unions and Credit Unions. But we can start by looking at IBM and their applications of the OpenLedger Fabric framework, to create the Diamond and Fish NFTs. If we have these in our mind, we can now see how these items can be traded on the exchange, but this requires a central body verifying that there is some value stored somewhere in that item.

For example, if it is a Diamond, it could be traded speculatively on a Diamond somewhere in the world that can be traded, but if I only have 500 Diamond Coins on the market those might be held by 100,000 people holding fragments, and it may raise passed any reasonable sale price for Diamonds and would be stupid for someone to trade in for the less valuable Diamond. And this concept could then be used to pay Stock Dividends, or to represent shares in a Company giving DAO voting capability.

You could also Clone ETH and as an example, a Grocery store, Farmer's market or Farm could create the ETH clone. They then focus on finding people to create dApps for use in the industry, and it would be like "insider knowledge" for store clerks to go home and set their laptop up, or buy an ETH rig to mine this easier to mine coin (at least at first it would be easier than ETH). They then would campaign to have more and more companies in the industry, and farms, accept it.

Farms and Markets, and larger Farm Corporations could create Tokend on the ETH chain. The issuer could then also issue Tokens with a Bridge Toll, knowing next year the Farms can produce that amount (like a Nileometer) to then be withdrawn later. And this will be possible anyhow as many people will Buy and Sell the coins on the market with no intention of ever trading them in, just Capital Gains.

Fundraiser Currencies
For Large Organizations, I see NASA as a good example. They could Pre-mine 50% before launch, launch it and ask people to Buy and HODL, while promising only to dump when buying things all the HODLers want, and they can buy everything up cheap on NASA dump days, to then trade on other days.

In Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1 (1824), the Supreme Court held that intrastate activity could be regulated under the Commerce Clause, provided that the activity is part of a larger interstate commercial scheme. In Swift and Company v. United States, 196 U.S. 375 (1905), the Supreme Court held that Congress had the authority to regulate local commerce, as long as that activity could become part of a continuous “current” of commerce that involved the interstate movement of goods and services.

More coming soon...


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on April 06, 2021, 04:56:03 AM
How Institutions, Booster Clubs/Auxiliaries and Municipalities could work together, for example, for kids to earn a Truancy Token that acts as a Access Credit, but then can be cashed out by the students.

So, if your School, say a University or individual School, or ISD. You have the Truancy Token or Chain, it works on a Scot Bot type Token, either on Hive-Engine, Steem-Engine (why doesn't the Chinese Government take advantage of their citizen owning Steemit, and use it as a University Tool?) or as an ERC20 or TRC20, or maybe OL Fabric. Your Token connects to a SaaS attendance system, something like HotSchedules, the Token then is a Smart Contract that works like ADP.

But then, the City might have a Token, and maybe there is a Local Pizza Token, maybe Chic-Fil-a has a Token at this point and any of these people could give an allowance to the Schools for kids to choose to trade their Truancy Tokens for. So it doesn't have to be a Booster Club Token, it could be an NFT and be traded into an account to release other Tokens, hence Access Credit.

This same model would work with Churches and Religions, and the Church could end up in both a Municipal and Institutional role. So could a large enough School, or a Company. People can earn Rewards for being part of anything. And this works very well in a Benefit Society type institution. Basically, the Currency is your online Coffee and Doughnuts/Donuts.

The Punic Wax Network is what I am creating. It is going to be Mining Pools, Witnesses, as well as Mining for our own Clone of each and every type of Blockchain and Token. Then we will teach others also, and all of this will be on PunicWax.com

We will have like:

Mining.PunicWax.com
DEX.PunicWax.com
ScotBot.PunicWax.com

Etc, etc.

Bounty Tokens
can be created to pay people, but have to be bought back. If you make a Bounty Currency you can go to Bounty0x.io and set up payments for Twitter posts, Facebook posts, etc. So people get paid to share about your Currency or Project.

Proof of Solar Power and Proof of Trees planted Blockchains, like Proof of ID mining. PoS can be done in any way you choose. There have already existed early blockchains that paid you to Solar Mine BTC instead of using Electric Grid Energy. And one that gave you a PoS share for planting a Tree. Grid Coin paid people to add hashing power to Cure Cancer and AIDS. All the Cancer and AIDS cures and treatments come from people like my Family, who put laptops towards mining Grid Coin.

(Proof of Stake v. Proof of Work), v. DPoS

PoS means you get a Coin, a Share, and earn an Interest type growth depending on what % of the PoS Coin you own. The more you own the more you get.

By holding a PoS coin, with an open wallet, staked, you are like a Bitcoin miner. You are moving the PoS Blockchain and the interest you earn is Block rewards for mining. This is much less Wasteful than PoW because PoW gets harder to mine as more electricity goes towards it. I will explain this and you will understand how Bitcoin started. If I clone Bitcoin and me and 1 Friend Mine it, we both get half. If we both add 5 laptops we are using more electricity but we both get half.

So, now of me and this 1 other person have these 12 total laptops doing this, kind of wasteful, and another person joins with 1 laptop they don't get 1/3, they get 1/13. So now maybe they add 20 laptops, and they have 21 laptops out of 33 on the blockchain. But now the first 2 people each add 20 laptops because they don't like what they lost to the other new person.

So you can see how this gets wasteful,
And Butterfly labs made ASICs, which then became a whole Mining Industry and created Mining Farms.

PoS has all this competition done within Staking, your Holdings are your Hash rate.

0% Premine means you didn't program any coins automatically in your wallet, or sit on it for days and weeks before making it Public. So it is fair, and everyone can get Coins and not have to worry about the owner killing his own Coin, selling lots and never buying anything. You can premine, but I would say like 5-10% max with a written plan for those. If you go higher than 10%, you better be handing out free ones or paying for someone to make things for the Community like Wallets, etc.

51% Takeover means someone owns most of it and can do whatever they want, usually this means time to sell and buy a new one before that holder sells all those.

Coins "finding their Price" means that the community will grow past what it is on day 1 and more people inevitably means a more stable market with a real price emerging later and not on day 1. Also, as more people want it, it gets more rare.

Bitcoin as a Gold Standard pegging the others to a value, mostly if Bitcoin goes up for you it is good for you, if it goes down it is bad for you, unless you can get those scared BTC sellers to buy your Currency with their coins. In which case it is technically possible to go up while Bitcoin goes down. If I only have $100 per day in volume of market sales for the Currency, and someone brings 1 or 2 BTC into the market ($100,000) then the price goes way up. Maybe then the daily volume goes to $5,000 and Bitcoin keeps falling while you go up.

Block Number, how many Blocks exist on your whole chain at any given time? And how many total blocks?

Block Reward, how many coins come out of each one?

Total Supply how many coins will exist total in the end, when all your blocks are mined? With no Cap, no end date, it will hurt the value as it inflates into eternity. Halving Block reward over time is discussed later, meaning that over time less coins can be in later block segments, do the chain keeps on going and coins get more rare.

Block Time, is Transaction times because it tells you how often a new block goes out to be found. So this is a massively important value because this tells miners how many coins they can earn (the less they earn, the more rare it is, the higher the value may go as those miners speculate). Block time effects how long your chain exists.

If a Blockchain has 1,000,000 Blocks at 1 second Block Times, it has a 1,000,000 second life span. 1 min, it has a 1,000,000 min life span. 1 hr, it has a 1,000,000 life span. It could also be 30 min, or 5 min, or 45 min, etc.

Difficulty, This means that as more people mine it gets harder as explained before. This also gets into Halving Rate. Bitcoin started with 50 in a Block and very few people mining, then more people started competing for those, so they became more rare but those early people had a bunch. Then it went to 25 per block, then 12.5 either recently or soon, and then it will be 6.25 BTC per block, etc, etc.

DPoS, Witnesses and SRs are like a whole other thing. OL and Bitshares were first, it is a system where the Coin holders vote on who can mine (Miners are called Witnesses), instead of everyone mining. TRON does the same thing and the Witnesses are called SRs. This cuts down on electricity usage also.

Mineable Tokens come in various forms, but there are ones where you can lock in Tokens, say ETH or TRON, to then Mine the Token. So you take your ETH or TRON, you send it to a Smart Contract that gives you mining hash rate in the contract, and you earn the Token. The more you lock in, the more you mine.
These are very interesting and helpful

https://blog.crowdbotics.com/scaffold-your-own-erc-20-token-in-30-seconds-without-writing-a-line-of-code/

https://blog.crowdbotics.com/how-to-create-a-burnable-token-with-solidity-and-openzeppelin-library/

https://blog.crowdbotics.com/how-to-build-a-dividend-token-with-solidity/

https://medium.com/crowdbotics/want-to-build-your-own-asset-chain-and-token-its-easier-than-you-might-think-thanks-to-komodo-8dab55559a80

https://medium.com/crowdbotics/burnable-and-pausable-erc-721-token-using-open-zeppelin-ddfd8ef685c9

https://www.crowdbotics.com/build/solidity?utm_campaign=v1&utm_source=blog-post&utm_medium=Medium&utm_content=erc20

https://blog.crowdbotics.com/tag/ethereum/
This could be built on
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3180092.0
https://github.com/PoWAdv
Code:
function discountedMiningTarget(address solver) public constant returns (uint256 discountedDiff) {
        // the number of coins owned
        uint256 minerBalance = uint256(balanceOf(solver));
        
        if(minerBalance <= 2 * _BLOCK_REWARD)
            return getMiningTarget();
            
        // the number of full block rewards owned
        uint256 minerDiscount = uint256(minerBalance.div(_BLOCK_REWARD));
            
        discountedDiff = miningTarget.mul(minerDiscount.mul(minerDiscount));
        
        if(discountedDiff > _MAXIMUM_TARGET) //very easy
            discountedDiff = _MAXIMUM_TARGET;
      
        return discountedDiff;
    }
EOS Token
https://github.com/efraim007/MICH

https://lite.charityalfa.io/charityminer/

https://github.com/Volentix/EZEOS/tree/1ad7c33c620b375fe00b511596b7daf31d9cd44e

https://volentix.io/documentation/ezeos%E2%80%8A-%E2%80%8Agetting-started-with-eos/
Ethereum Token Bots
https://github.com/DeCenterOrg/moneebot

https://github.com/ImpossiblePairs/totle-telegram-price-bot

https://github.com/gnosis/dx-examples-liquidity-bots

https://github.com/EasyToken/Telegram-Wallet-Token-ERC20

https://github.com/ealmansi/ercy-bot

https://github.com/mitche50/erc20tipbot

https://github.com/C0deMunk33/EtherealTipJar

https://github.com/fdpilkington/tipjar-dapp

https://github.com/VeriSafe

https://mobile.twitter.com/ExchangeDog

https://github.com/airalab/aira-bot-platform
Forking Ethereum Tokens

https://medium.com/@edmundedgar/what-happens-when-you-try-to-fork-an-ethereum-token-863e3defcf7

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/5rcp9m/what_happens_when_you_try_to_fork_an_ethereum/

https://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/54465/whats-the-cheapest-way-to-fork-an-erc20-token-when-you-have-all-addresses-and-va


Minable ERC20 Tokens

https://github.com/eBTC-Official/eBTC

https://github.com/aleitner/MineableToken





More coming soon...


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on April 08, 2021, 02:02:41 AM
Liber was the God of Vineculture (Wine/Intoxication), and Liberty. The name Līber ('free') stems from Proto-Italic*leuþero, and ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *h₁leudʰero ('belonging to the people', hence 'free'). Libera is the Feminine Liberty Goddess, Magna Mater.

The very Heiroglyph for "Gift", meaning "To Give without contract/purchase", not just like a Present for someone close but that also, is Punic Wax, or Saponified Wax. Soap. Symbolizing success in Carthaginian Culture, used as Paint. And Burned at Gades/Cadiz.

This is the Egyptian Heiroglyph for T
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8GnhnYRCDsM/YFOWO5DetOI/AAAAAAAAGq0/TvTTQ82c0q8AZggiPar81fIXpUE4lELeACLcBGAsYHQ/s268/download-2.png

When held in a hand, it is the word "Give!" Or "To Present".
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FY8Xj5KAqcw/YFOW2zsBoBI/AAAAAAAAGq8/d-dqTQRTIlYC1E-06JiQYM65l82PeuO2ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1280/Screenshot_20210318-130637_Samsung%2BInternet.jpg

Read the rest here,
http://www.punicwax.com/2021/03/the-punic-grimoire-cadiz-and-goddesses.html

And part of what Jesus then discovered was that giving away everything, removing ties to the physical world, is freedom. Buddha before him So there is Contract, Payment, Slavery, Gifts and Tokens, and Freedom/Self-Determination, then there is the Freedom of ego loss and control


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on April 10, 2021, 01:56:11 AM
Imhotep said that "Medicine only works with the proper incantation", Heka means both "Magic", and "Medicine", the Nile and Seasons, etc, were Heka related.

"The Proper Incantation" can be seen as the Placebo Effect, if I hear the right Magic Words, see the Shaman, or Witch Doctor, etc, their Role can work for some while some want a man with a Stethoscope and bad handwriting, with Flourescent or at least Sterile Artificial feeling light, and a Pressed Pill.

But,
There may be more to that. Even though everything works the way it works, regardless of Incantation on a Science base level analysys.

If we look at Love, there is Theobromine and Oxytocin, but if I pump you full of those all day, it doesn't mean you will Love me. There is something deeper there that is real, and it is not replicable by a Doctor.

When you measure Brain activity, Love happens, the pattern called Love, then the Oxytocin and Theobromine are released. Your eyes, your ears, your Memories, your everything, are acted upon by external stimuli in the world around you, causing the Brain Pattern, then releasing the Electro-Chemicals.

Love is a 3rd Party to what we are measuring now. Like the Placebo Effect is a Clinical Control, you could say Love is an unmatched Clinical Control.

https://casetext.com/case/gallagher-v-austin-police-dept
"Plaintiff appears to be an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church and runs a religiously oriented business of selling seeds, herbs, fruits, and vegetables. Plaintiff states that he "is a Hindu and practices Neurospirituality,"."

https://www.minds.com/SashaGallagher/blog/the-lord-god-soma-in-bio-chemical-context-898233881190830080

I want to get a little into the Older Organizations. Specifically 2 of them. First, the Commonwealth of Nations. This is the Old British Empire, no longer under British Rule for the most part, it includes the UK, Canada, Australia, South Africa, the British Virgin Islands, etc, and they have something like the Olympics called the Commonwealth games, and the Queen is the head of the Commonwealth. And recently there have been revelations about "the Dutchie of Lancaster", this is the Sovereign's (Queen/King) own personal estate which they get their own personal spending money. There are Multiple Royal Families, or Royal Houses, in Britain. It is a little like Hogwarts. They are raised in their Houses, and to be representatives of their Families, and the British people choose their favorite Princes and Princesses, but only certain ones become King or Queen, and are Coronated over the Stone of Scone.

And there are Multiple Royal Families all over Europe, another example of a Kingdom is The Unity of the Realm, which is the Danish Kingdom. It includes Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland. And the Danish Kingdom is a much smaller Kingdom, with only about 6 Million Citizens, but similarly to how the United Kingdom in Britain will Knight people to show that they are stewards of the Queen or the Kingdom in some way, the Danish Kingdom has The Order of the Elephant. And there are various orders, and all these Royal Family Members all have various Titles and Honors. Some of these families were part of the Holy Roman Empire (Crusades), etc.

Just kind of an example of someone that in in the Order of the Elephant and part of the family that used to be the main ruling family in the UK that is kind of interesting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Ernst_August_of_Hanover_(born_1954)

"In old Time it was no disrespect for Men and Women to be call'd by their own Names: Adam, was never called Master Adam; we never read of Noah Esquire, Lot Knight and Baronet, nor the Right Honourable Abraham, Viscount Mesopotamia, Baron of Carran; no, no, they were plain Men, honest Country Grasiers, that took Care of their Families and their Flocks. Moses was a great Prophet, and Aaron a Priest of the Lord; but we never read of the Reverend Moses, nor the Right Reverend Father in God, Aaron, by Divine Providence, Lord Arch-Bishop of Israel: Thou never sawest Madam Rebecca in the Bible, my Lady Rachel, nor Mary, tho' a Princess of the Blood after the Death of Joseph, call'd the Princess Dowager of Nazareth; no, plain Rebecca, Rachel, Mary, or the Widow Mary, or the like: It was no Incivility then to mention their naked Names as they were expressed."

In America, Titles are Voted for. The concept of America is that you are not born with a Title, you are not given a Title by someone with a Title, your Title is Voted on by your Peers, and everyone is created equal.

The American Revolution was primarily about Religion. In the United States the Church of England Ruled, and the Sovereign is the Head of the Church of England. All Tithes went to England, and Tithing was Mandated by the British Government, and people were forced to be members of the Church of England, and were persecuted for not being members of the Church of England. The Witch Trials happened not long before the American Revolution. When the Revolution happened, much of the Popular support for the Revolution was actually against the Church of England and the oppressive Rules of the British Empire, imposing the Church if England on the people of the Colonies. That is why there first part of the First Amendment is about the Free Exercise of Religion, and then the limits of Congress in writing Laws regarding Religion, and the Separation of Church and State.

Thomas Jefferson expanded on this saying that "All laws regarding religious worship ought to be repealed" etc, just a big list of all the Religious Laws that ought to be repealed, and then the Amendment was later written, overturning any Laws that may not have been repealed.

Gods are the opposing force in the Universe (the actual Governing Force) to this Structure of Titles and Orders. The way Polybius and Machiavelli and Plato and everyone described it, was "The Multitude". Polybius was very cynical towards the Multitude, and believed that it was the most evil, that a Government like America's is pure chaos or even evil compared to a Government like Denmark or Saudi Arabia. But most other people believed that if there were a side to err on, it would be the side of the Multitude, and as Machiavelli put it over the side of the "Princes". Plato described a system that did not yet exist (a Republic), and he believed in the Multitude. But Polybius says things like, for example, that the Greek Royals put the fear of the Gods and Hades in people to control them, and now they want to take it from them, and that they shouldn't do that. But that is not what Religion is, Religion can be a form of Control, or it can be a form of Liberation. The Geneva Bible, brought to America by the Pilgrims, stated that if God and Government disagree, follow God. And throughout History, Gods have been the Kings who are greater than the Rulers, and who Govern the Rulers. The Religions can be used to Control the people, when the people don't have access to books and knowledge, but when people have access to information about Gods, and when people can make their own decisions about Gods, even rejecting Gods (I believe people do that far too soon though, usually after experience with 1 God); this allows for equality. This is what happened when Martin Luther started Protestantism and fought against the Catholic Priesthood and the Holy See (Catholic Global Governing Body), this is what happened when Jesus brought God out of "The Jots and Tittles of the Law" and into your Heart, as something you could personally have a Relationship with. It has happened over and over throughout History.

The only way you can be Controlled and Limited by a God, is by not understanding them.

Chili Peppers like Jalapenos are not Native to any Continent outside of the Americas, yet some of the Hottest Chili Peppers in the World come from India and the surrounding Region. Tobacco is not Native anywhere outside the Americas, yet Camel is using Turkish and Asian tobacco to create their blends. Pepper is not Native to the United States, yet everyone has Salt and Pepper on their Food. Corn is not Native outside the Americas, but people eat it all over the World, and it makes most of the World's Sugars now instead of Sugar Cane. All of this happened because Christopher Columbus thought he was going to India when he found the first Commercial Route to the Americas.

The Bahamas are called the West Indies, and are where Columbus first landed. The Era in South America and Central America before Columbus got there is called "The Pre-Columbian Era". The Company that had Monopoly over most of this Trade was the East India Trade Company, which was centered in Amsterdam, which is why Amsterdam is known for their Coffee and Marijuana, yet neither of those things are from Europe. And because Britain later (during the time of the Trade Company) Ruled India, they Controlled the Trade in India. And it should also be mentioned that during this time the Slave Trade was happening, at first Legally through organizations such as the East India Trade Company, and later by Pirates. Brazil speaks Portuguese because of the Pact with the Catholic Church (Treaty of Tordesillas) gave those lands to Portugal, and other lands to the Spanish. During this time many many Religions were melded together. The most obvious and up front were the Conquistadors and others who were seeking "Gold, God and Glory"; but then there were the Natives, who already had their own Religions. And then their were Slaves, usually brought from Africa, who had their own Religions. And there are Multiple Religions that are practiced in Central, South America and the Caribbean that represent these Religious melds.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: jaysabi on April 10, 2021, 05:52:13 PM
There's no such thing as fate; things happen the way they happen, but not because they were predetermined.  Further, predeterminism is a dangerous way to look at bitcoin that tells folks they don't need to think critically or pay attention to the environment.  Bitcoin isn't fated to replace the dollar, it isn't fated to go to the moon.  Blindly believing such things is a recipe for financial disaster because it ignores the risk component of holding bitcoin.

You don't think there a number of events that are not necessarily predetermined, but inevitable?

[holy snip, batman]

You seem to misunderstand that fate and inevitability are not the same thing. Your death is inevitable; that doesn't make it predetermined. Your death is not fated because "fate" is a human construct that doesn't exist in the natural world.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Sterbens on April 10, 2021, 07:58:37 PM


You seem to misunderstand that fate and inevitability are not the same thing. Your death is inevitable; that doesn't make it predetermined. Your death is not fated because "fate" is a human construct that doesn't exist in the natural world.


It is true that there is a mistake here, all have a point of view about the dogma of necessity and death. and did you know that the more he elaborated on his speculations, the less tolerable one party would be. each of us has different beliefs. so that what we believe in cannot be equated with what he believes. regardless of all that, as a form of human respect, I value differences.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on April 12, 2021, 02:11:22 AM
There's no such thing as fate; things happen the way they happen, but not because they were predetermined.  Further, predeterminism is a dangerous way to look at bitcoin that tells folks they don't need to think critically or pay attention to the environment.  Bitcoin isn't fated to replace the dollar, it isn't fated to go to the moon.  Blindly believing such things is a recipe for financial disaster because it ignores the risk component of holding bitcoin.

You don't think there a number of events that are not necessarily predetermined, but inevitable?

[holy snip, batman]

You seem to misunderstand that fate and inevitability are not the same thing. Your death is inevitable; that doesn't make it predetermined. Your death is not fated because "fate" is a human construct that doesn't exist in the natural world.

Lol, I understand Fate very well. I am saying none of this is new, and it was all going to happen one way or another, not inevitable, there are ways it could have started and been pushed back, but that is then only denying the Innevitable, which is also part of the Fate.

And if Defintions can not have their Defining Words in themselves, then Fate can not be Inevitability as it includes people trying their darndest to fight the inevitable, they are all Fate.

Similarly to the Brainwashing Program explained above, I think another real World series of events can bring enlightenment to the Crypto Community. But, this is instead of a Brainwashing Program, and early Nation Building Program.

Hannibal Barca was son of Hamilcar Barca, who had fought the 1st Punic Wars, which was basically a Racial War with Rome, it was not specifically on Racial Lines but Rome v. Everyone (Specifically Africa), but there are many Theories of what happened, I have even read that Rome would not allow Carthaginians to attend their Schools, which is very Brexit, which itself was a little White Nationalist guided. If they were not allowing Africans to go to Roman Schools, that seems very petty on the Roman side.

But,
The Romans found a Carthaginian Boat, which is a story seen through time. Adam and Eve are ignorant of their Nudity until the Serpant makes them Aware, then the Fallen Angels or Jewish Demons like Azazel. The Phaiakians in the Argonaut Story, and Phaiakians in Homer's Books. The Phaiakians say "We have never met a Stranger", which usually is interpreted to mean they are Primitive or Isolated, but really you can see it as the Greeks being Isolated. The Greeks, after Gigantomachy where they defeat Macedonian Giants by locking them under Italian Volcanoes are soon after taught Metal Working, so we can see that Blacksmithing was being kept from them, and was taught to them through the Sentian Pirates who the Greeks call "Of Wild Speech", and the Italians talk to them but Greeks don't. So it is clear from this the Zeus/Jupiter Lineage is seen as Inferior.

In Zeus' own Birth Myth, Time/Chronos is eating up the Gods to keep them from taking over. Zeus is swapped for a Stone and hidden in a Beecave on Malta. So that begins Titanomachy, where the rejected Gods are freed by Rhea's decision to hide Zeus who breaks them free. The same story in Prometheus, who gives the Humans Fire from the Gods, and a Zeus Bird eats his liver every day. Atlas was a Titan and Associated with Phaiakians and Sentians, Phaiakians being the Giants, Atlas being Mauritania.

This can also be seen as part of what Arachne is talking about in the Weaving Contest, when Athena comes out of Zeus' headache to then later have that Weaving Contest, where Arachne shows Zeues Raping the King Phoenix/King Agenor Matriarchs, this being tied to Sais, and pre-Greek Delos.

But Hamiclar was there to do that,
To Fight back the White Scourge.
He was chosen by the Carthaginian Council because they knew he would not surrender, so they sent him to Negotiate the Peace Terms.


I began this post meaning to get deeper into Hannibal, but I don't want to overload everyone. So tomorrow I will get into how Hannibal was Nation Building in Hispania (even Minting Currency), and ending Rome's Ability to Make War.

I will start off the Continuation with Hercules, Hercules is a symbol of the Monarchy. And Hercules was a God spread by Phoenicians, and Phoenicians are seen as the driving force behind Christian Trade (Crimson, Royal Purple, Club/Mace/Wand/Septer, etc) after they first instituted Hercules.

This next part is not based on any Archaelogical Find (the rest is evidenced already), but on the Mytholgy, it seems that the Phoenicians would choose a person, or they would come and ask their people to select a person, or the Chief King would bring in a female from each Region like Powhattan. If we just use Powhattan as an example, we could see that each State type Region under the Federal Powhattan Chiefdom sends a Woman, and her children from Powhattan are then a Royal family in the State Region. Another example is Socrates, Socrates was not sent as a King, but he was sent as a Peasant like Jesus, this can be seen as similar to the "Half-Shod" Jason walking into town to Challenge the King, after his education under the Centaur Chiron. This is also kind of similar to Viracocha in Native American Myth, who comes like a Socrates Figure but is much more accepted, and Strangely his father is basically Zeus, just like Hercules.

But Hannibal Barca, he was raised on a Mountain full of Iberian and African mercenaries fighting Rome. Speaking all languages, with all Nations of people around them, even Roman spies working for them. Hamiclar sets up New Carthage after the War, in Spain/Portugal, so there was a 2nd Nation almost.

The Carthaginian Council did not even see New Carthage as an extension of Carthage and felt themselves that New Carthage might be a threat to Carthage, until Hannibal sent a Tribute so they knew he felt he was doing their will.

He then began Minting Currencies with Hercules, this is a High Level of Understabding. This is not a Cave Man or a Barbarian, this is a highly advanced individual who is able to Form a Nation without his own Nation around him, he is not sent like Christopher Columbus to the United States under the Crown, Hannibal was the Crown of New Carthage, and had the ability to Mint a Currency to back that up, and to then train Tribal Warriors into a Cohesive Unit, with the Currency as part of that. This is a highly highly capable individual.

He then lays siege on a Roman ally who is within the 1st Punic War's Treaty with Rome, and after he takes the City they send a Diplomat to ask Carthage to send Hannibal as a Prisoner, they say:

"No"

Likely no different than Hamiclar fighting back the White Scourge, they couldn't let this highly advanced mind fall into the hands of the White Zeus lineage, can you imagine
if Hannibal had been like Polybius? Homer means "Hostage".

The Roman then says,

"I hold in the folds of my Toga Peace, or War, which will you have?"

They go off to discuss, when they come back they say,

"You pick"

The Romans chose War, and Hannibal goes to stop them. He then retires to Italy afterwards. If Rome wanted their Prisoner, they should have just taken him, but they were not capable.

This is Fate, he looks back and the Gods say "Dont worry about what we are doing"

Hannibal was a faithful worshiper of Melqart: the Roman historian Livy records the legend that just before setting off on his march to Italy he made a pilgrimage to Gades, the most ancient seat of Phoenician worship in the west. Hannibal strengthened himself spiritually by prayer and sacrifice at the Altar of Melqart. He returned to New Carthage with his mind focused on the god and on the eve of departure to Italy he saw a strange vision which he believed was sent by Melqart.[10]

A youth of divine beauty appeared to Hannibal in the night. The youth told Hannibal he had been sent by supreme deity, Jupiter, to guide the son of Hamilcar to Italy. “Follow me,” said the ghostly visitor, “and see that that thou look not behind thee.” Hannibal followed the instructions of the visitor. His curiosity, however, overcame him, and as he turned his head, Hannibal saw a serpent crashing through forest and thicket causing destruction everywhere. It moved as a black tempest with claps of thunder and flashes of lightning gathered behind the serpent. When Hannibal asked the meaning of the vision the being replied, “What thou beholdest is the desolation of Italy. Follow thy star and inquire no farther into the dark counsels of heaven.”

Carthage lost the War, and Carthage was destroyed, because the Mago family, another Member of the Counsel of Families which ran Carthage, disagreed with the Barcas (Hannibal's family), and convinced the Counsel to let him fight Rome himself, which he did and ruled Italy for 15 years.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on April 18, 2021, 05:47:09 AM
It is Aquila and the Phoenix/Bennu Bird

Zeus and Aquila are Lightning. Hercules is this too, and symbol of Royalty. David fought Goliath, just like Hercules fought the Giants in Gigantomachy after splitting from the Argonauts.

Thor is the Lightning God, Giants exist in the stories too. David, Hercules, Thor, are Monarchy, a Phoenician and Punic (2 people, Western and Eastern Phoenician, the Western is Africa, Sicily, Spain) selected group. So that is the Monarchy, under a Lightning God.

Even Native Americans,
Viracocha, son of a Lightning God.

Aquila is the Lightning Jurisdiction, the Father
The Phoenix is the Mother

Now,
Where is David's Wife from?

Look at King Tut, Horemheb built a Temple to Anhur.

Anhur's Wife? Menhit, the Sphynx, a Nubian Woman. Origins of Ra Mythology, Ra is the Crown there was no Pharaoh only Par'Oh, the Palace. King Tut, King Dojer, etc.

The Phoenix is the Maternal Line, Cush and Punt. King Agenor and King Phoenix became identified with this, so the Phoenix, the Phoenix is like our Angels today, or a Butterfly Metamorphesis that is why we have some idea that we die to become Angels, like a Butterfly does. But it goes back, really to India and Cush/Punt, then back to Africa Originally.

All of this is also detailed in Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime.

I will be continuing the Tarot Cryptocurrency Analasys soon.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on April 18, 2021, 08:40:05 PM
I want to write a little about Taxes, because there will be questions and issues that arise as we begin the Punic Wax Network and we will likely need and FAQ, but this is also useful for Bitcoiners or any Coiners.

I run a Tax Exempt Religious Organization, we have a Federal Employer ID Number (FEIN), and a Ruling Letter, as well as an IRS approval to not withhold Social Security Taxes to pay Employees, further we can bring other organizations under us. We also will have any Employees and those Spreading the Religion file for their Self-Employment Religious Tax Exemption (IRS form 4367 or 4361).

But,
That does not make everything Tax Exempt, so I am going to get into a little about Religious Taxes, intertwined with Crypto Taxes.

The Reverend or Minister will often build his house on a Church Property because Religious Organizations are exempt from Property Taxes, but if the Minister or Reverend, etc, buys a House not on Church Property, a Property not used for Religious purposes, it is not exempt. You could have a House with a Bible study Room, or Altar, or otherwise intended for Religious use, and then you start getting into Grey Areas. In the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA) we see that Religion can build structures outside of Home Owners Association (HOA) regulations, etc. So, a good Rule of Thumb would be that if you have a Religious Land Use instance that is constant, then you would probably qualify as a Tax Exempt property of the Church. You can then see this same type of Qualifier for Taxes. If you are Earning and Spending Crypto in a Capacity in which you are creating Religious Materials (Literature, Art, etc) you are likely qualified to get Tax Exemption on your earnings.

Cryptocurrency can be seen in the Work of Art part of Tax Law. If you write a Song, someone else can own it, you can Buy it or Sell it, it may be valued at $5,000,000 but you only pay Taxes when you sell or earn. Cryptocurrency is a line of Code, like a Video Game Token, it only has the Value we give it collectively based on our appreciation of the unerrorability of the Blockchain technology, but as far as the Tax Code, it is like a Music Book, or a Song on the Radio. The Government gets their part, when you Earn. When you have Income.

The IRS has said a few different things regarding Bitcoin, and if you want to be real safe you can pay Capital Gains Taxes on your Bitcoin, or other Currencies Explicity mentioned by the IRS, but most Altcoins and really an Altcoin you make yourself is not something to worry about, and the IRS is just writing Rules in place of a True Rule created by the Court. Because there just has not been a Case where like someone like me was involved. And most cases are about people paying 0 Taxes.

Spend Coins on a Car to Drive to Friends Houses and the Bar = Pay Taxes at Cashout

Spend Coins on a Car used for Religious Business Materials Transportation for Production and Shipping = No Taxes

Earn Coins Day Trading Currencies and cashing out to your personal Bank Account, used by yourself for Entertainment spending, Vacationing, etc = Pay Taxes at Cashout

Earn Coins writing Religious Literature to then spend feeding those who keep the Religion alive and spread it throughout the World = No Taxes


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: tbterryboy on April 19, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
Meehn this is a really long article, it would have been better if you kind of summarized everything that this post is all about at the top for those wouldn’t be able to read this two paged post lol. I was even confused at some point because I can’t really get how king Solomon ordering his guard to cut a baby into half  related to what you were saying here.

But anyway, as you said, things are all about fate, I get that that’s what you’re trying to say, and sure I do believe that a lot of things that are happening are happening because that’s how they are meant to be, though I still believe that it is mainly up to us to decide, but anyway, you’re still right.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on April 22, 2021, 01:45:11 PM
Luke 23:39-43
39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ?" Save Yourself and us!” 40 But the other responded, and rebuking him, said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our crimes; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on August 02, 2021, 10:56:41 PM
I will continue the Pentacles Crypto Tarot Analysis soon

This has been delayed because of Corona Virus Economy issues, and the State of Texas, but soon we will be:

Expanding on the Punic Tokens,
Punic Metals and Gemstones,

Some will then be Blockchains instead of Tokens.

Early on we will get the Mining Pools going to Mine other Coins, then we can add ours.

We will have Witnesses on the Steemit Clone Chains.

We will have an ETH Clone called Akasha, and then a Temple Coin. We will also Clone DeFi Projects, and make a DAO to issue Coins and Tokens for the DeFi Projects.

We will be focused on then getting other People making City and State or Religious Currencies, as well as Corporate Coins, etc.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on August 18, 2021, 02:04:34 PM
Apologies for having such a large gap but COVID and the State of Texas caused issues,

Here is how we are Grounding our Currency to the Earth like an Electric Circuit.

https://hive.blog/hive-120078/@kalivankush/plant-medicine-for-humans-chelated-minerals-and-liposomal-vitamin-c

https://hive.blog/hive-120078/@kalivankush/250-grams-of-pure-cbd

https://hive.blog/hive-148441/@kalivankush/plant-medicine-for-humans-human-growth-hormone

https://hive.blog/hive-120078/@kalivankush/plant-medicine-for-humans-adding-quartz-to-human-cells

We have a Currency on Steemit, via Steem-Engine,
We have a TRC10, China causing problems there,
And we will make HIVE Token based around a Soap and Beauty Company.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: Tokenista on October 05, 2021, 12:16:19 PM
I am going to give a view of a theoretical description of the Carthaginian Culture, that when then analyzed as a type of Economic Framework, gives an example that can be followed. And it is the foundational Framework of our Society today, so we can easily bring it to today.

So Queen Dido, a supposed Mythical Queen, Founder and running from a Tyrant, Tyrant at that time very explicitly meaning one who lacked a proper claim to Rule. So Dido supposedly was a Royal fleeing Canaan, making a Home on the Coast of Africa at modern Tunisia. This then became kind of a Cultural Center for the area, like Cairo.

We can see that the Real Heirerchical Structure of Carthage can be very much compared to that, there were the Punics, which can be generalized as "Western Phoenicians", those living in Africa, the Iberian Peninsula, Southern Italy, etc. Establishing Hercules/Melqart, then there were Merchants, Mercenaries, etc. We can see Ba'al-Hammon is their Zeus, Melqart is Hercules, Tannit is the Goddess, Ba'al-Hammon her consort. We can also then look to the Reign of Khnumhotep, as well as the Treaty of Kadesh and War in Libya, then back to King Agenor, King Phoenix, the Epic of Gilgamesh, Zoroaster, etc. Then the Temple of Israel built by Hiram, we can also then see Tombs for Hiram, as well as Herod. We can see that Carthage is also largely a Port City, with Boats coming in and out, likely meaning there was a connection to Delos, Fayum, Sceria and Phlegrae. Then also King Atlas, Anhur-Shu, etc. Shu or Atlas is King Atlas, the Numidians who were Carthaginian allies in the 2nd Punic War, and kept the Libraries of Carthage after the 3rd War.

We can see the Carthaginians all then seemed to be intelligent Farmers, and Builders, Craftsmen, Breeders, etc, while Enslaved by a less Intelligent Roman Class taking credit for their writings. We can see Carthage as having lots of Beeswax, Minting, Metal Casting, Black Smithing, Saponification, Encaustic Painting, and Dye making, etc. So there were likely many Wax Tablets, like IPad type Tablets or Paper Tablets today, all used to Burn Carthage, all which would have been present. We can also look at the Marsala ship and see Carthage as having Marijuana growing for Smoking Purposes, as part of the Mercenary operations also as the Marsala Ship is a War Ship.

We can then look to Phlegrae, and Neolithic Temple Culture for more Clues.

But if we look to the Skyscraper type structures,
These were like Apartments in 300 BC and earlier, so if we look at the Queen Dido story it is kind of an "if you build it they will come" thing, where they built a kind of Beehive and then invited inner Africa to come make a life there, and we're connected to Egypt, Babylon, etc. No one was really unaware of Carthage at the Time, and Rome usually is thought to have inherited what Alexander left behind, but really it was not until Hannibal killed over 100,000 Romans who thought they were out to have fun fighting Barbarians, that they became the Rome we know today.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: MNbag on October 05, 2021, 02:43:07 PM
People are already attempting to set up a cult with a fucking coin.

It doesn't require spirituality or fate to make money off Bitcoin.

There ain't fate in economics, just utility.

Nothing is inevitable in this world, it can be influenced.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on February 12, 2024, 06:17:02 AM
People are already attempting to set up a cult with a fucking coin.

It doesn't require spirituality or fate to make money off Bitcoin.

There ain't fate in economics, just utility.

Nothing is inevitable in this world, it can be influenced.

I have been here since the Beginning, and People may say that what Bitcoin Town was is like what Cults do, all of Bitcoin was Talking about like BlueSeed and Seasteading and Space Faring, DevCoin was Talking about Launching Satellites and they have some kind of Simulation of the Universe where they were Selling Plots of Land like Metaverse before Metaverse kind of a Videogame of the Universe. I am not sure of the Details on that, I just know it exists. But we were Talking about Big Things, and Google was Competing with us Talking about WiFi Balloons for Africa and all kinds of Different Projects, Collecting Water from the Air with Sails in the Desert in Africa.

And the TV Show "Devs" was made as kind of a Nod to what we were all doing, and Specifically I think they did Notice Bitcoin Town. Vocativ Recently Took their Article Down which is kind of a Shame for them because this is about to Explode in Popularity and they could have said they were the First to Talk about it, and now their Link doesn't Work and they are Attempting to Brush me Under a Rug. They think they can just Cover it all Up, as if they have the Power to make this all just go away, as if it was a Mistake they made Writing the Article and without it none of this would exist. What a Simple World they Live in. What Simple Minds they have.

But we could look at what the Hippies were doing in the 60s with Communes and People do want to Participate in a Community, and make something for their Children and Teach Their Children to be in many way Superior to the Other People around. There are all kinds of Things that we could Compare to this kind of "Cult" Word that Everyone likes to Throw Around. There are Hindu Communes still Today, and Christian Communes, where People go to kind of do like Jesus said and Sell Everything and begin Life anew so as to Gain a Deeper Connection with God. Just for the Benefit of those that may Read this for Years into the Future: There is Something about the Jews having Left Egypt and being Outside, they Celebrate not just the Tabernacle that we all know with God inside, where God Lives, the Inner Sanctuary as we might call the Popularized Tabernacle, but also the Booth or Tabernacle as they Call them Today in Israel and what those are meant to Represent (being under the Sky, and having been under the Sky in that Previous Time), there is Actually Magic to this, and Hamas Attacked that but that is another Story for another Time, even though it is going on now. There is a Spiritual Thing to be Gained, as like an Experience where You are Hiding from Police or Something and have to get in the Mud and sit for 24 Hours, or Under Water, this might be Military and Basically just being Forced to Rely on God. You might say Nature, but it's not just Nature. It's God Accepting Your Desperate Prayer. But that is not to say that Everyone should Sell Everything and give their Money to a Guru without knowing what is going on, or having a say in getting any kind of Return on Investment for Large Amounts, etc. There is a Real Thing that anyone can Access. It's not something You want to be Scammed by. And a lot of People that Go Outside and Learn, they are being Punished, there is not a "Crazy People have the Secrets" Thing, most People that are Naturally in these Situations, not Reading this and wanting to Learn, most of those People are being Tormented for Things they have Done, or are Tests that Other People are Failing, the way Alms might Repair the Alms Giver. To miss those Tests, is a Reason for the Person to Need Alms, and God may have Reason and Purpose for all of You, and Punishment. God is Angry about Things You might not Even Realize You've been Part of, or Your Ancestors. He's not Happy.

And I am going to Continue this Thread and Teach People about Economics and the Tarot.

Because I am not the First to Talk about Economics and Tarot, and Outside of Blockchain there are many a Fortune Teller, and Gypsy, Witch, and Scammers, that are Using Tarot and Talking about Finances. Not Even Talking about Blockchain.

This is a Tradition as Old as Cards.

And I lost my Password to the Tokenista Account so I had to make this New Account, Sorry for not having the same Username.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on March 06, 2024, 03:53:50 AM
This is the 7 of Pentacles
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/16/a3/46/16a346700049731f62c1b97e11981520.jpg

In Tarot Representation, this Card Represents a Harvest, "You Reap what You Sow" and the Harvester is still looking Patiently as the Crop continues to Grow, the Coins or Pentacles Representing Rewards or Accomplishments, often Monetary Gain. So what we are looking at in a more Broad sense, is the Ability for the Person to Find Value in something, become Skilled in this (Example Given: Farming) and Earn Money from it. We can see it also in a Spiritual Manner, in where the Plant's Value is more than Monetary, but something like an Educational Value. This gets into Numismatics, where we cna Start to say that there is a Value Gained which is "Priceless" as to now having that New Found Perspective.

FreeMasonry and Colleges are about Degrees, and Degrees are meant to actually Articulate the same kind of Thing as the Sun and the Earth's Movement, as in 360 Degrees, with Free Masonry having 3 Degrees, and then You can Earn Many More in the Scottish Rite, York Rite, or Shriners, etc, and all of those have Children's Hospitals You Probably have Heard of Near You. These Degrees are like New Perspectives. So we could look at the 7 of Pentacles in that way, where the Knowledge about Plants, maybe the Experience Gained from something about the Plants and their Later Interactions with Humans, or knowing about the Plants and being able to be Paid to do something for someone else or Teach them. All of this could be seen as kind of Enlightenment from the Plants, and Liberation of Self Through a Plant. America was Founded on Hemp, Johnny Appleseed is an American Hero.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on March 07, 2024, 10:20:01 PM
I want Everyone to know about the Crusade that we are going to do in the Middle East.

First, look at the Kings of Jerusalem from the Templars, and the Solomonic Dynasty, or the Oldenberg Royal House. The way Human Society Works is this, when the Kings were Talking about Fairytales about Princesses and Princes and Kings and Queens, they were Telling Stories from 10,000 BC, or from 5,000 BC or 3,000 or 2,000 BC, and they were maybe in Alexander the Great's Time or Hannibal Barca's Time (100 BC to 400 BC) Talking about Homer's Stories of Ancient Kings, and Jason and the Argonauts before Achilles. Then the Fairytales we know of more Recently from the Gypsies (Roma People) who also made Tarot or Regular Card Decks, and Crystal Balls in Modern Culture, etc. All of these People were Talking about Ancient, Ancient Kings and Queens, and when the Contemporary King or Queen Listened to them, they became more Regal.

This can kind of be understood through Merlin, how he Trains Arthur, and wouldn't You rather be Merlin than Arthur? The House of Oldenberge has a very Humble beginning with the Founder nearly not being accepted into a Prayer Society and Founding the House of Oldenberg, meaning "Old Castle", which was the name of the County they were in. And the County had an Old Castle in it which is where the name came from. So just there You can see how it Works. The Solomonic Dynasty Claimed to be from King Solomon and the Queen of Sheeba. The Templars were Ruling over Jerusalem because it was the Holy City in the Bible, and they were Creating a Safe Space for those coming to Visit on Pilgrimages, to see the Holy Land. And they began Operating a Government in the Desert.

This is what we are going to be doing. With Africa, South America, the Indian Subcontinent, etc, we are going to be Talking to all Governments as Things happen Naturally in these Places. Because Things are going to Happen. WE will be here for the Kurds to Hold Responsible, they can say always "You were Supposed to be Paying Attention", but they do need to Send someone to Talk to me if they are going to say they did Everything to get to me. But we are bringing all of this Together, and Blockchains will be used in Countries where there is Development Happening. Some will be Friendly with China, we have to do Things on TRX because so many People around the World use it. We have to Connect with what the Rest of the World is doing, and what we are doing. This all then will be connected to something we need to Discuss.

Before ISIS, there was the Northern Syrian Issue, we could say "Remember Aleppo?" or various Other Things, the White Helmets, all of the Things about Syria, there were Barrel Bombs, etc. Russia has done a lot in Syria, Russia has moved in there. Americans before ISIS were going to Syria to Fight Assad, that is how Americans were Later Recruited into ISIS, it actually all Started as the same kind of Thing until ISIS actually Declared itself and Ruled with an Iron Fist and had Terrirory, i.e. Took the Bank of Mosul, the Oil, the Gold, and the Trucks, all of the Trucks and the Contractors had done so much. America had done a "Nation Building Project" that was the Term used, and the Idea was kind of that if we could give them a Statue of a Liberal in a Suit from their Own People, it could all Work out (Paraphrasing, but maybe Statues like that could have Helped), and a lot of Money was Spent on the Construction Industry, Plumbing, Electricity, all kinds of Contracts were done by Americans in the Middle East. And then it was all just left there and Taken by ISIS.

So,
I say,
Was it is Bad what the Crusaders were? Or, the Kings of Jerusalem at Least, that Government Purpose, to Govern these Deserts. And we need to Talk about it. And maybe I don't say enough, Christians are Persecuted in these Places. Arrested and Killed for Talking about this in Iran. But we are all in a Place where we can Talk about it in a Classy way, in a more Academic way and not with Swords at eat Other's Throats, or Both, like John Wick.


Title: Regarding Putin's Request for Appeasement
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on March 08, 2024, 05:12:59 PM
There are People around Joy Reid that enjoy Pretending that I am like Hitler and I both do not mind Talking about this, and am not one to let Lies about me Stand, so let's Compare me to Hitler:


1. Me and Hitler are Both WORLD RENOWN for Occult Discoveries.


2. Me and Hitler BOTH gave Archaeology a Direction, his was more in the vein of Proving the Aryans had been everywhere and were "the Master Race", while I am Teaching Everyone about Angels and how to Find Angels and Giants in the Archaeology.


3. Me and Hitler BOTH have Things to say about Jews, his were not very nice, the Things I have to say are much Better, in Fact Supportive, and that is what Angels have always done. This Point and the Archaeology actually go together, where we can Prove that the Nephilims Ruled Over the Jews but did not interfere, did not let them know they Ruled Over them, Sisera is an Example, a Nephilim that went against the Stars, and the Stars Fought against him.


So I would say maybe those are the Main Points, because beyond that, I am not much like Hitler. I am only Really like any Person that Matters in History, Jesus I am like because of his Religiosity and purpose, his Role, an Acsended Master, I am like any Given Ascended Master, You can compare me to any of them, and Hitler is just as Occultic and Mysterious as any of them, so I he gets lumped together. We could even say then that Hannibal Barca and Alexander the Great were "Like Hitler" in ways, but like me they were much more like World Heroes than Hitler, neither of them did what Hitler did and were instead going around as Liberators almost, Alexander being the one to connect all Empires back together from Atlantis Days, he connected all the Giant Countries and Things from before the Flood, Alexander Re-established that. And some may say "Hitler said he was the 3rd Reich" and we do need to be Cautious.


My Entire Point in Writing this is that Russia has recently gone to Poland and Finland with a Message, he didn't enter Finland and is Threatening Poland (likely sending Civilians and Spies) but we could say that he is doing like me, taking Notes from Angels, and he made his Presence known in Poland (as like an Emissary) and he said to them "What Poland did Wrong was not Accept Hitler when he was coming in", and Everyone needs to Talk about this in Context. Hitler came seeking Appeasements, because he was being Appeased. Let's just use the Word "Impressive" here because the Kingdom Hitler was making, the Third Reich, was "Impressive" to the Surrounding Nations and they did not know what to do, they did not have the Van Kush Family to Compete like they have Today. Hitler was Pulling Swastikas out of the Ground, and Putting up Flags, and the Surrounding Nations were simply Impressed. And I used that Word not to say that I am "Impressed" by Hitler, but that the Surrounding Nations were looking at Hitler's Growing Force Similarly to the Modern Russian Force. It has a Purpose, it has Unity, it has the "Comrade" element (the Comradery), and it may be an Impressive Imposing Force Upon the Surrounding Nations.


So I want Everyone to know, that CNN and Others went to Egypt, this is also why Egypt has been seeming Western, though in the back of their Arabic Mind they do want to Support Palestine in ways that may not be available with Western Friends around. CNN and Everyone went to Egypt to Watch the Mummies be Taken out and Paraded around, Exposed them to the Sun, and the Sunlight that Bounced off of them is Running around like Echoes, Light is a Wave, it Bounces off of Things and we see Certain Colors. This Light, the Event itself and the People there, their Memories, what they Heard, what the Air Heard around them, it is all there in Egypt, but it Moved. They released a Mummy's Curse. So what we have this Time, when anyone comes around Asking for Appeasement is we have Competition for them. We have something the Christians and Muslims and Jews were all waiting for, which Hitler did not Provide. Jesus Provided this, Mohammed Provided this, Moses Provided this, even Thomas Jefferson Provided this. I Provide this. And Mine comes from the Mummies, the Bones are Calling out from their Graves, Exposed as like in Jeremiah 8. And I want Everyone to know, the Van Kush Family is mostly made of Invisible Monsters we could say, or "The Stars" as they were Called that Fought against Sisera. That is the Van Kush Family. And there are no Aliens. Take me to Your Leader.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on March 08, 2024, 06:25:20 PM
If anyone wants to Know, "Why Won't God just Show us a Miracle" or "Where are the Ghosts and Bigfoots on the TV Shows, it's Never what we Thought, where is the Shining?", and Everyone needs to know, the Dead and Angels, the Gods from Ancient Greece, in the same way the Inventor named Hero in Alexandria used Knowledge of the Gods to Create a Steam Engine, and a Door that Opened by itself, they just never had a Reason to Scale up the Steam Engine. This was the Time of Automatons, the Earliest Robots, like we hear Da Vinci made a Tiger that a King thought was a Real Life Tiger the way it Moved, and this has lead to all kinds of Da Vinci Code and Assassins Creed, all the way to Steam Punk type Designs Attributed Fictionally to Da Vinci in Games and TV Shows, or Other Fiction. That is what the Ghosts want, they want to Actually Help us. The same way You look at an IPhone and a Mac, and for some Reason Steve Jobs didn't Call it a SJ, or a Jobs Machine, but he is there Helping in the Iphone, maybe You can even see it in ways the Board Members can be Reminded of him. And in 500 Years, maybe his Lost Manuscript will be Found and it's some Book we all just don't even Care about Right now, but some Group is using it to Great Effect Right now and we are all just Benefiting.

That is how Dead People Seek to Help us, they don't want to Scare us, they don't want to Cause Problems, they do want us to Recognize Things Though. God and the Dead will have You Watch Scary Movies for example, and be afraid to take out the Trash. Magic is Real, You can Gather in a Circle with Intentions, and do many Things, including Rape and Murder, but a Seance, a Collaboration, a Celebration, a Holiday, even just a Prayer.

And our Heritage, our Epigenetics, they are all interacting with the Other People, and Plants and Animals, we have Started Teaching Everyone that Food can Effect Your Genes, but it's not just Food, what Plants are You Friends with? Do You have a Plant Addiction, like Caffeine, do You have a Favorite, like Chocolate? Which of Your Relatives that is Dead wanted You to meet that Plant?

The Bible says not to Talk to Familiar Spirits, that is "The Ancestors" as it is Put by many. Some would then Separate European and African Ancestors, but I am come from Carthaginians that came to America After Rome Burned our Home, so I was there for all of it.

The Point being,
God does Preform Miracles, and will do much more in the Context of Everything around the Van Kush Family. I am Only 32 Years Old, and this can Only become Greater and Greater in kind of Affluence and Income even just if we need Earthly Measures.

And Full Point,
The Phones, and the Computers, they are all here to make it Easier for the Ghosts and Angels to do Things with us, some Might say Demons, and yes them too.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on March 10, 2024, 07:57:33 PM
Virgin Birth
https://vankushfamily.com/index.php/community/epigenetics-animal-breeding/virgin-birth/


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on March 16, 2024, 04:49:11 AM
Everyone should want to be the Light.

But,
The most Powerful Light will automatically seek the Darkness. Because Light is Strongest and Brightest in the Darkest Places.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on March 16, 2024, 05:31:33 PM
I think if anyone were to Learn 1 Thing about Angel and Denisovan Genetics, it is that they do not Need Human Approval. From the X Haplogroup as an example, to Building Temples and Inventing the Wheel, it should be Clear that Humans Follow Angels, not the Other Way around. We Only Follow Humans as like Shepherds, it used to be to Eat them but God Only had us Learn all of that for a Higher Purpose.

Angels, we could say, have gone Through 75,000 Years+ of Trials, the Flood, etc. All so that Humans could have Teachers of Sin, People to Teach them Sin and Tell them to stay away from it. In this Generation we are even Preparing People to do this.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on April 05, 2024, 02:22:54 PM
So there has been a lot of Talk of Buddhism, in China that is the Primary Religion apart from like a Shamanistic Taoism. And Taiwan has been Paying Attention to all the Religious Things going on here with the Van Kush Family, so has China, and South Korea, let's just Call it Steemit and Buddhism have been Paying Attention.

And I think that as Everyone Learns about Buddha they should see that most of the Life of Buddha is Fairly Simple to understand, and there is a Part Added that is like Jesus in the Wilderness, so we can assume that Buddha was Fasting much like Jesus, and that maybe some of it is Metaphor, as if You have Experience with Life You can see how there might be Grotesque and Sexual Scenes that might be Displayed for Buddha to Reject, and it doesn't have to be from some Magic Demon, People could have done that for him, and in the Story it is a Demon, or they Recognized it was a Demon but in the Story removed all Elements of Human involvement, even though it was a Demon and Humans.

This Discussion also Helps because usually Buddhism is Atheist, so if we get into the Fasting Time in the Wilderness, we can kind of connect Christianity and Buddhism in a way that makes in more understandable.

Then, I want Everyone to know that Buddha is not the Fat Guy, Buddha is the Skinny Sid Hartha, and in Fact most of his Life he was Regarded as exceptional because of his ability to Starve himself, it was something that was recognized as exceptional in him several Times in his Life.

This Shows the Story of Buddha Pretty Quickly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5jba2EuIIk

And now,
I wanted to mention that that Buddha is the Main Buddha, that is the Buddha that Started Buddhism. The Fat Buddha is a Buddha who was Fat and Happy, and was a Fat Happy Icon, someone who was known for being Fat and Happy, and this in a World where "Thick" to Fat Girls were considered more attractive because it meant they were Well Fed and Healthy. So Buddha was Fat, and he was Happy, and that became an Icon World Wide for Buddhism, and now we Call him Buddha. And all of this I want Everyone to think about because these are some Simple Concepts all of them, and I think most People dismiss Buddhism, even myself sometimes, and don't even take the Time to look at it even as a Historical Event, like Buddha was Famous, no one even Takes the Time to look at it that way. Most People even get into Buddha, and like the Fat Buddha, and Rub his Belly for Good Luck. And they don't even know who Buddha is. But I think there is a Shift in Consciousness where more and more People hear "Buddha" and Automatically see "Sleeping Buddha" because enough Incense Holders and Things are out there now as Sleeping Buddha Statues.


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on April 05, 2024, 06:04:46 PM
"Do not Try and bend the Spoon, that is impossible"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI


Title: Re: Splitting the Baby, and other Operations of Fate: the Fate and Economics Thread
Post by: VanKushFamily.com on April 09, 2024, 05:27:09 AM
https://vankushfamily.com/index.php/community/mythology/the-diaspora-brujeria-the-carthage-bible-a-bibliotheca/

The Diaspora Brujeria Roughly Translates into English as "The Witchcraft of Origins" but it may Translate Better as "Diaspora-Ria" or the Witchcraft of the Diaspora, or Diaspora Witchcraft, bu Diaspora-Ria, or "The Diaspora Brujeria" or I guess "El Diaspora Brujeria".

https://vankushfamily.com/index.php/community/mythology/the-diaspora-brujeria-the-carthage-bible-a-bibliotheca/