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Title: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Ehrakeziah on December 12, 2020, 11:02:48 AM
To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.

In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.

Aside from the possible negative or positive effect of this covid vaccine, we need to consider also the value of it.

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Pfizer and BioNTech have set the initial price at $19.50 a dose, which comes to $39 per patient (since each vaccine requires a two-dose regimen), in its $1.95 billion contract with the federal government as part of Operation Warp Speed in July. Pfizer and BioNTech, which have developed an mRNA-based vaccine, will receive that amount for the first 100 million doses, pending regulatory approval. Moderna, which has developed a competing mRNA vaccine, received nearly $1 billion from the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority and has a $1.5 billion contract for 100 million doses, bringing its price to around $50 per patient or $25 a dose.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiejennings/2020/11/17/how-much-will-a-covid-19-vaccine-cost/?sh=c6ef1ba576de


What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

I think only those from the middle to upper class can afford that vaccine. But those in the lower classes and among the poor in the poorest cannot afford it, unless the government buys and gives it to the people for free if they want the country to be covid free or even reduce the spread of the virus.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Charles-Tim on December 12, 2020, 12:06:54 PM
In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?
I could not say the vaccines are safe but according to reports, this is done professionally in a way many people have been given this vaccines and showing positive results. Some can have side effect but mild, just like headach or pain at some localized part of the body or maybe others but it is mild and will die down just like many other vaccines do act after injected someone, but all these are short term. The vaccines have succeeded and proven good on short term now, but we do not yet know if the vaccine will have long term effect because it is still under testing and that should be the phase 4 after it has being given to mases in phase 3. But as of now, progress has been made, and likely but not yet proven that the vacinnes will not have long effect.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: bassbity on December 12, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
for now it is true that the vaccine will be produced on a large scale, but in my opinion there are still many people who are not sure about the vaccine. We can see that there are several countries that do not charge a penny from vaccines that will be distributed to the public, meaning free. but I forgot the country (if you know please remind the name of the country). I watched the news yesterday on BBC television.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Ayiranorea on December 12, 2020, 01:51:22 PM
As of now the need for vaccine has made more ventures get into the development of covid-19 vaccine. As a result almost every country have their firms in the competition. Pfizer was found to be in the lead, and the same has made FDA approve the vaccine on emergency need. As a beginning it has planned to supply vaccine to the frontline health care workers. When vaccine gets effective in human beings, automatically the economic situation recovers as everything begin to function as the days before covid-19 into the world.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Pito001 on December 12, 2020, 01:55:44 PM
40 dollars is not the price. Cheaper than new game. 5 hours of working at minimal wage in USA. Pretty cheap vaccine for everyone


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Hydrogen on December 12, 2020, 01:59:18 PM
"How many corona strains is the vaccine effective against."

"How many strains of corona are there."

The media omits relevent information necessary to know how effective or useless a vaccine would be at the present time.

At worst a vaccine might be effective against only one strain of the virus. Which could make it as ineffective in treating the pandemic as the flu shot. A person might be inoculated against one strain of the virus, only to be infected by a different strain.

In addition to this, it has been said corona virus vaccines are only effective for 6 months. Which would mean people need to be inoculated twice annually.



Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: judeafante on December 12, 2020, 02:26:55 PM
To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.

In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.

Aside from the possible negative or positive effect of this covid vaccine, we need to consider also the value of it.



We have no choice but to get vaccinated or get infected and die from CoVid, it's bitter to swallow but we have to take it, they have spent a lot of times and spent a lot of money just to come out a vaccine because this is the only solution we have right now because we can never be sure if we are going to be fine if we get infected with CoVid.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Nhor1011 on December 12, 2020, 02:27:41 PM
40 dollars is not the price. Cheaper than new game. 5 hours of working at minimal wage in USA. Pretty cheap vaccine for everyone

Each country fiat currency has a different value. If in the US it was a cheap vaccine, I think in other countries $ 40 is a lot of money and too expensive for them to buy that vaccine. Actually in my country $40 is equivalent to a minimum daily wage for more than 3days or working for more than 27hours based on minimum hours daily.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: fiulpro on December 12, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
Okay first of all we all should understand the fact that :
Vaccination is important!
That's the only way we are going to prevent this pandemic from spreading, I am aware of the fact that many people think that if most people did contact the virus 🦠 sooner or later the pandemic will be gone because of the heard immunity but let's look at the facts first :
Virus is mutating
The immunity is short lived
Now this further tells us the exact reason why we need a vaccination!! We would more or so need some booster doses for sure.
The country where am living the teachers are already been given the shots and still some of them did catch the virus. It's not a tool proof vaccination for sure but we have to look for the odds. Without vaccination the pandemic will take years to go. Plus 39$ is a nominal price , ofcourse it will change according to the country and the region you are living in... But it's worth spending for your safety. (The vaccination was made faster than anything and during the closed industrial period with excess efforts to make sure that antisepsis is done so I do believe that we have to invest what we can right now. )

Plus ofcourse if the strain has undergone mutations it would still be effective since basic chromosomal proteins would be same and effective change in the DNA sequence takes years even for viruses.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Lucius on December 12, 2020, 02:29:17 PM
bassbity, the vaccine will be free for all EU residents, in the sense that they will not have to pay for it directly - but there is no doubt that it will be charged indirectly through various taxes. It should also be emphasized that only those vaccines that have passed all clinical stages will be approved, which means that they have already been tested on a large number of people and that apart from some anti-allergic reactions, there were no serious consequences. It is quite another story what consequences vaccines can have in the long run, because this is the first time that the process of their creation is so short without years of testing.



What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

In developed countries, that price is not a problem - just look at how much a box of cigarettes of a well-known brand costs ($26 in Australia - or $5 in the Czech Republic (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=17)), so it will be clear to you that $40 is not too high a price where people have money. Of course there are countries where people work all month for that amount or even less, and those governments should allow free vaccinations at the expense of the state.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Fesatmas on December 12, 2020, 03:00:40 PM
There are several cases in several parts of Asian countries that have tested the use of vaccines, the result is that almost some people even experience bad symptoms, such as shortness of breath, the body becomes weak, even 5 of them are declared dead after consuming the Covid 19 vaccine from China.
this causes public distrust to use vaccines
why do vaccines seem to be dangerous?


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Chrystora123 on December 12, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
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What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

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$40 is small money for some but for those who are poor it suffocates them.  I was convinced from the start that the emergence of a vaccine would only add to the huge profits for drug companies.  the government must immediately step in to overcome this so that there is no rebellion from residents who feel the cost of the vaccine is choking them..


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: CODE200 on December 12, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
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What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

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$40 is small money for some but for those who are poor it suffocates them.  I was convinced from the start that the emergence of a vaccine would only add to the huge profits for drug companies.  the government must immediately step in to overcome this so that there is no rebellion from residents who feel the cost of the vaccine is choking them..
That would be hard in the first place. Everything would be expensive upon its introduction to the market.
The government should make a move in order to reach those who needs the vaccine the most such as healthcare workers and patients. For sure there will be superiority when it comes to the distribution of the vaccines and more likely, the rich ones will be the first ones to have it first even if there's no urgency. That's just how power works. Thus, the price could be expensive to many countries wherein demand is high in which governments should make actions with in order to promote urgency. Rebelion won't be a help and I think is not possible at this moment because the impression of many people towards this pandemic was lessen due to exposure of the problem.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: hatshepsut93 on December 12, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
The cost shouldn't be a problem, it's cheaper for governments to buy a vaccine rather than deal with unemployment and the fall of their economy. I've heard that there's currently not enough vaccine for some developing countries, but hopefully it will be fixed with international aid if necessary.

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.


This is just the result of antivax conspiracy theories that are being pushed by manufacturers of homeopathic, herbal and other crap "remedies".


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Fortify on December 12, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
The "cause of covid vaccine", well surely the cause would be an obvious need to combat a highly infectious and deadly virus. Vaccines are one of the most widely used and safest forms of medicine currently out there. Many millions of people get vaccinated each year for a whole swath of different reasons - either protection against something like rabies or polio. The science is very simple, you are simply teaching your body the ability to fight the virus with a much weaker version, so it can easily attack the actual virus much quicker if you were to encounter it. Frankly, if you don't want the vaccine then I am happy for you - it means people who want to protect themselves with a simple action are able to get it even quicker.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Reid on December 12, 2020, 05:31:19 PM
Many people will have the same fear.
First thought? Will it really work?
There are steps taken before they can approve that it is the real vaccine that will work against Covid19.
Of course, they do test it. With who or what? That we don't know.

But even with all these cures or vaccines, I don't think we can go back to the normal environment like before.
Sales of antiseptics., disinfectants, and masks will still grow. Thankfully, China is the one producing it.  ;D


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: AniviaBtc on December 12, 2020, 06:05:26 PM
What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

I think only those from the middle to upper class can afford that vaccine. But those in the lower classes and among the poor in the poorest cannot afford it, unless the government buys and gives it to the people for free if they want the country to be covid free or even reduce the spread of the virus.

Mass vaccination is required especially that this pandemic is not our fault but the countries who made it.

The government should be responsible for the vaccination of the people and they should allocate a proper budget for that where the people can afford it in a reasonable price.

Not all of us are financially stable and many people who are struggling to live everyday probably can't afford to buy that vaccine.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: konflikkastil on December 12, 2020, 06:11:09 PM
With the present situation across the whole world. The covid-19 has caused a lot of terror, not only to the world economic but to the entire human race. When thinking about the price that the vaccine will be sold. Either $19 or $35 per dose. The question is how many dosage will treat any patient of covid-19 completely. I'm just thinking out loud, minimum of two dosage per day, and that could go for 3 days. That's is 19*2*3=$114 in total. That's sti fair for the developed and developing countries. What of countries like Africa what majority of their people live with less than a $1 everyday. We would they afford that kind of money. $114 in some other countries in Africa will be in thousands when you do the conversion.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: GeorgeJohn on December 12, 2020, 06:13:59 PM
We all aware that covid can be eradicated through it's vaccines but since the existence of covid , the vaccines has not been released so expecting that the vaccine can be release in 2021 I think its fallacy, and expecting the vaccine, I think it will come up by the end of 2021 because I have not see any needful while the vaccine should be release again while many people lost their life's because of it why waiting for approval of its vaccine since, so emphasising on causes of covid, it's obvious that not everyone can explain better concerning how covid come in existence because from me I don't really have ideas of it.but I know it as communicable disease or transmitted disease.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Yatsan on December 12, 2020, 06:22:07 PM
As of the moment, even when the vaccine is not yet publicly released for massive usage to a lot of people, the people are already getting immune from the corona virus (covid-19) on which it shows that people's immune system is getting adaptable to fight back on its own against covid-19 having recoveries even the vaccine is still not on hand. Vaccines are created and intended to help out boosting up the immune system of the human body to fight back against harmful viruses and bacterias which is making it more significant for the existence of the vaccine to help out clearing out this pandemic.

There are various concerns with regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine but according to pharmaceutical companies Pfizer and BioNTech, they claim to create a 95% effectivity of vaccine based on clinical trials. Now with regards to the possible side effects which is the main concern of the people, we still cannot determine for we have different body composition and adaptability to medicines. We must just hope for the best.

With regards to the pricing, I think it is just and reasonable for government is having an allocated budget to shoulder the purchasing of the vaccines so no ome will be left behind and the priority will take into the needy.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: danglongbtc on December 12, 2020, 06:36:27 PM
Even if it is fully ready, I won't take them for sure. In my country, we have already started vaccine trial. During the very first phase, patients had mental issues not being able to work on a full capacity. Later, it caused some other issues. Government has decided to provide vaccine to healthcare workers first and then social security like police. However, if you are not affected and as long as can be cured, you don't have absolute necessity of taking dose. We never know the consequences. Besides, we will have vaccine available for use for very cheap price. Even, we can get them free here as most of the vaccine are free which we have taken from our childhood including Polio, Hepatitis B, Rotavirus, BCG, OPV and such 10 more.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: AmoreJaz on December 12, 2020, 06:54:43 PM
Even if it is fully ready, I won't take them for sure. In my country, we have already started vaccine trial. During the very first phase, patients had mental issues not being able to work on a full capacity. Later, it caused some other issues. Government has decided to provide vaccine to healthcare workers first and then social security like police. However, if you are not affected and as long as can be cured, you don't have absolute necessity of taking dose. We never know the consequences. Besides, we will have vaccine available for use for very cheap price. Even, we can get them free here as most of the vaccine are free which we have taken from our childhood including Polio, Hepatitis B, Rotavirus, BCG, OPV and such 10 more.

right now, i believe the study regarding after effects is not yet sufficient. as many of these pharma companies are rushing their clinical trials to get approved, i wont be surprised if some of them have their cover up regarding the actual effect of this vaccine to the overall mental or health aspect of the person. of course, we will see the immediate effect but how about the long-term impact to the person? it is yet to be seen.
getting vaccine should be the choice of the person and not compulsory. it is your body, so you have the right not to accept the vaccine. but you should know the possible consequences.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Stedsm on December 12, 2020, 07:29:22 PM
I've recently heard about some ill effects of the vaccine like developing facial paralysis - https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/fda-reports-facial-paralysis-in-4-volunteers-for-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine/article33306576.ece

If things are going to make it more riskier for the patients ahead, I believe that the natural therapy that's already being given to them like early morning hot water given to them to drink, take them to the hospital's terrace from 8 am - 10 am for them to get sunlight, boiled food, boiled water, social distancing from each other, constant sanitation are much better than these vaccines which put our future on stake much more than what we are supposed to get.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Cling18 on December 12, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.

In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.

Aside from the possible negative or positive effect of this covid vaccine, we need to consider also the value of it.

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Pfizer and BioNTech have set the initial price at $19.50 a dose, which comes to $39 per patient (since each vaccine requires a two-dose regimen), in its $1.95 billion contract with the federal government as part of Operation Warp Speed in July. Pfizer and BioNTech, which have developed an mRNA-based vaccine, will receive that amount for the first 100 million doses, pending regulatory approval. Moderna, which has developed a competing mRNA vaccine, received nearly $1 billion from the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority and has a $1.5 billion contract for 100 million doses, bringing its price to around $50 per patient or $25 a dose.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiejennings/2020/11/17/how-much-will-a-covid-19-vaccine-cost/?sh=c6ef1ba576de


What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

I think only those from the middle to upper class can afford that vaccine. But those in the lower classes and among the poor in the poorest cannot afford it, unless the government buys and gives it to the people for free if they want the country to be covid free or even reduce the spread of the virus.


Since you have mentioned the issue about the dengvaxia, I guess we're living in the same country. People have lost their trust in WHO because of that vaccine which caused a huge number of unexplainable deaths. We can't blame the people who are doubting about the Covid-19 vaccine because they had a traumatic experience with the dengue vaccine. I just hope that the coming vaccine would be safe and affordable for everyone. It might cost cheap for some countries but I guess it would be hard for third world countries to afford it.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: eaLiTy on December 12, 2020, 09:01:49 PM
To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.
There is no debate about having a vaccine so that we could go back to normal but the problem is that i am not sure whether the vaccines are properly tested as i never heard about a vaccine that is 100%. Even the the vaccine manufactured by pfizer they claim that it is 95% tested if i remember correctly and i will not risk my life taking the vaccine if it is not 100%. If i am able to sit inside for over ten months inside my house alone then i can wait until we have a conclusive confirmation.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: coolcoinz on December 12, 2020, 10:14:23 PM
It's another cash grab if you ask me. The company has not tested the vaccine enough and they admit it can cause infertility. Do you want to be their guinea pigs and pay $40 for the privilege? I don't. I'm not afraid of corona. I'd rather take my chances than willingly expose myself to an untested vaccine. 


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Vispilio on December 12, 2020, 10:49:37 PM
It's amazing how most people seem to have forgotten the huge controversy of the origins of the virus, a military lab capable of devising global biological weapons just happens to be a few km away from the "official" story of meat market origins,

If they can engineer a flu virus into a pandemic, surely they can replicate this performance many times over, will the solution again be global campaign for vaccination and lockdowns or will people be smart enough to address the root cause at some point ?

A barely tested questionable vaccine that may or may not immunize for up to 6 months against only a certain strain of a virus; it feels like the world has become a human farm, and the vast majority of people are now so docile and pacified that they don't even care about that so much as long as they can get back to receiving their entertainment fixes...


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: MCobian on December 12, 2020, 11:11:43 PM
We need to do more research to make sure the covid vaccine is safe to use, I am sure that every vaccine has side effects.
Therefore, I was one of those who refused to have the vaccine injection, because it was based on my knowledge regarding
the corona virus. As long as we can increase our body's immunity, our body can handle the corona virus on its own without
the help of a vaccine. Moreover, the price of the $ 40 vaccine is quite expensive in third world countries, so it is possible that
only people in the middle and upper economy can buy the vaccine.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on December 12, 2020, 11:37:30 PM
I'm pretty sure the vaccines they will release will stand the tets of clinical trials and would prove to be an effective way to give us immunity over the virus. They wouldn't wait for a whole year just to have a vaccine that is not working, lest it could even endanger the public. What's more important is to spread the awareness regarding the virus, so people won't get sick unnecessarily. And in order to help your country's frontliners burden not to be further increased.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: coolcoinz on December 13, 2020, 12:16:55 AM
It's another cash grab if you ask me. The company has not tested the vaccine enough and they admit it can cause infertility. Do you want to be their guinea pigs and pay $40 for the privilege? I don't. I'm not afraid of corona. I'd rather take my chances than willingly expose myself to an untested vaccine. 
if it is still in the trial process then I would prefer not to do it because it will have a higher risk than corona, we all do not know the long-term effects of this vaccine and not all humans have the same body composition which results in something which occurs when the vaccine is unsuitable resulting in death.

They had some trials but the vaccine was rushed, that's a fact. They knew that the earlier they get it on the market the more money they'll make and avoid competition. There are numerous doctors who say the vaccine was not tested enough and can be dangerous. At the same time some countries are buying it blindly because they don't want to be accused of negligence. Thinking that if others are buying maybe we should is the opposite of smart.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Wulan_maniez on December 13, 2020, 01:07:54 AM
To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.
In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe?
I don’t feel safe with this vaccine, if many children in your country die because of the vaccine. I’ve heard this news in the media. It’s so horrible.
I am concerned that they will force this vaccine to continue to test in many children around the world. Then it will threaten the lives of the younger generation.
People get scared to get vaccinated.
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What will be the effect on the person being injected?
Perhaps the effects can vary on everyone. Depends on the endurance of a person’ s body. But I’m not a chemist and they’ll understand this better.
The vaccine should have been first tested to government officials. Not to ordinary people. Especially to the children.
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What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?
It’s very expensive, and it’s clear the poor won’t agree with the price. If there was any money it would be better to eat than to have a vaccine.
This should be the responsibility of the government.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Pamadar on December 13, 2020, 03:24:58 AM
It's another cash grab if you ask me. The company has not tested the vaccine enough and they admit it can cause infertility. Do you want to be their guinea pigs and pay $40 for the privilege? I don't. I'm not afraid of corona. I'd rather take my chances than willingly expose myself to an untested vaccine. 
if it is still in the trial process then I would prefer not to do it because it will have a higher risk than corona, we all do not know the long-term effects of this vaccine and not all humans have the same body composition which results in something which occurs when the vaccine is unsuitable resulting in death.

Factor that needs to consider before allowing this vaccine.

We don't know yet the after effect of this vaccine, people have different immune system the reactions of the body is very important before allowing everyone to take the shot, though every government are hoping that this vaccine will really help everyone and they are trying to buy not to be left behind,.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Sithara007 on December 13, 2020, 03:45:44 AM
Factor that needs to consider before allowing this vaccine.

We don't know yet the after effect of this vaccine, people have different immune system the reactions of the body is very important before allowing everyone to take the shot, though every government are hoping that this vaccine will really help everyone and they are trying to buy not to be left behind,.

Most of the vaccines have completed their phase III clinical trials, involving tens of thousands of people and the side-effects are well documented. You may not know the after effects of the vaccine, and that is because you haven't read about the Phase III trial results. Now the only question is about the availability and storage. Some of the vaccines needs to be stored at -70 degrees, and that can be challenging.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: error08 on December 13, 2020, 05:41:07 AM
It's another cash grab if you ask me. The company has not tested the vaccine enough and they admit it can cause infertility. Do you want to be their guinea pigs and pay $40 for the privilege? I don't. I'm not afraid of corona. I'd rather take my chances than willingly expose myself to an untested vaccine. 
if it is still in the trial process then I would prefer not to do it because it will have a higher risk than corona, we all do not know the long-term effects of this vaccine and not all humans have the same body composition which results in something which occurs when the vaccine is unsuitable resulting in death.

They had some trials but the vaccine was rushed, that's a fact. They knew that the earlier they get it on the market the more money they'll make and avoid competition. There are numerous doctors who say the vaccine was not tested enough and can be dangerous. At the same time, some countries are buying it blindly because they don't want to be accused of negligence. Thinking that if others are buying maybe we should is the opposite of smart.

The citizens should have a right to choose whether they want to take the vaccine or not as some authorities have warned anyone who has a history of a considerable allergic reaction to a vaccine or medicine to avoid taking the vaccine.
Data for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine state that the trial involved 40,000 volunteers and suggested the vaccine provokes only mild side effects. So, it is an option for the citizens, if they believe the vaccine is a better option without severe side effects, why not for a precaution. But I prefer to not taking the vaccine as well.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: xSkylarx on December 13, 2020, 06:29:14 AM
In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

Vaccine are not mandatory yet so it's your choice if you want to take it or not. If you're not afraid to go to crowded places and go home with a possible risk of covid then it's up to you. For me, I would take it because I'm more afraid to have the covid and spend huge amount of money in the hospital. Reported side effects are not life-threatening as far as I know.


What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

39$ here is worth 4 days of minimum wage here so I think it's still affordable. And I think the government will handle the cost first, then they will pass it to their citizens to pay it for some months.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on December 13, 2020, 12:43:12 PM
39$ here is worth 4 days of minimum wage here so I think it's still affordable. And I think the government will handle the cost first, then they will pass it to their citizens to pay it for some months.

There are different versions of the COVID 19 vaccine and there is a large variation in their price. And in most of the developing nations (as well as some of the developed nations), the government will pickup the price tag and the citizens don't need to pay anything. Two of the most effective vaccines are costly, with the Moderna vaccine costing around $75 for two doses and the one from Pfizer costing around $40. The one from Sinovac (China) also costs around $60 for two doses. The Sputnik V vaccine of Russia is a bit cheaper, with a price tag of $18-$20 for two doses. These vaccines have an efficiency of around 95%.

But most of the developing nations will prefer less effective vaccines, which are cheaper and easier to transport. The one from Oxford-AstraZeneca costs only around $8 for two doses and it has an efficiency of around 60%-70%.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: AicecreaME on December 13, 2020, 01:43:48 PM

What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?


To be frankly honest, Government should shoulder all the fees to buy all of its citizen to have a vaccine, because in the first place, they should have a budget regarding about this kind of situation we are in right now.

I assume that you're from the Philippines as well. I think they are giving the vaccine for free first to the 4Ps beneficiary to be vaccinated. However, you can't hide the fact that people are really afraid of this vaccine because it might have an effect or whatsoever that can cause death.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: pilosopotasyo on December 13, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.

In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.




People have no choice but to get vaccinated or they are always on risk of getting infected, get hospitalized and get intubated, they have to take what option they want to take, if they have the money and they can get hospitalized for CoVid  because they want to vaccinated then go for that option.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: plvbob0070 on December 13, 2020, 03:12:38 PM
We all want to live normally again and get rid of that fear of getting the virus. And I think the government will find a way to give their people the vaccine they need especially that it's the best way to get rid of the virus. In our country, the government is kinda depending on the availability of the vaccine, so I think they will be the ones who will spend on it because not everyone can pay for it. It's normal to have a fear of the possible effect of the vaccine once injected, that's why we can choose whether to take it or not.  If you're scared of it, then you can choose not to get vaccinated.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Crypto Lion on December 13, 2020, 03:27:40 PM
I believe that the $40 price is going to be a crushing point for lower class families. A family of 5 people and you're looking at $200 to get them all vaccinated. So for situations like that the government needs to provide some sort of assistance to aid them.

Then there is the validity and effectiveness of the vaccine. We cannot have a mass produced vaccine if it's going to increase everyone's fear and be ineffective.

Lastly, there needs to be a medical plan that needs to be implemented worldwide for future pandemics. There's always going to be one fucked up thing that will hit society and if we want to stand a chance against it, we need to plan now.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: thesmallgod on December 13, 2020, 03:49:43 PM
I believe WHO will not certify it safe if they don't see it as one. However, every drug has its side effect which means the vaccines might not be suitable for some people that have certain health conditions and also since we have varying immunities across the globe with also varying resistance, I believe the same thing goes for the vaccine and that is the reason why it is very good that each countries also work toward looking for vaccines that can be localized for treatment and not wait until foreign countries look for one. Funds are being giving by international bodies for individuals and organization working toward finding vaccines or cure to this global pandemic and hopefully more vaccines will be available with time including the one developed in your country


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Swopon on December 13, 2020, 05:13:24 PM
Covid-19 is the most influential topic in this year and we are seeing it's destructive nature everyday. The vaccine is needed to save us from it with peace and it can't say easily that the vaccine will be effective in all sides for us and will vanish the virus successfully. The value of vaccine will be an untold thing to say if it works successfully. I don't think that its price will be huge or its demand will be huge that's why the price can be slightly high which can't be affordable for everyone. Because many people are struggling everyday to survive.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 13, 2020, 05:25:21 PM
A lot of negative comments against the vaccine. Let's not forget the fact that all of these vaccines have undergone Phase III clinical trials, which involved many tens of thousands of people. None of the vaccines reported any serious side effects. Those who don't want to get vaccinated are free to do so. But I request those people not to spread unfounded rumors regarding the vaccine.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: iv4n on December 13, 2020, 05:52:03 PM
When people are sick and afraid they will pay any price!!! And people are paying, this is nothing new... what is new here is the quantity! You can do the math alone, and numbers are pretty high, this is all business!
I don't believe in all this shit around! It's political, it's business... it's not like people are dying on the street, but for sure they made it look like that! And all this lock downs, measures, for what? A little more deaths than with flu every year (and after decades we still don't have vaccine for that)!?

I'm not sure is it true or not, but here they talk about some vaccines after which you can't drink 40 days (or something like that)! Well for sure I will not going to take a break from alcohol because of some stupid vaccine. But it's my stand!


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: fullhdpixel on December 13, 2020, 05:52:08 PM
Even if it is fully ready, I won't take them for sure. In my country, we have already started vaccine trial. During the very first phase, patients had mental issues not being able to work on a full capacity. Later, it caused some other issues. Government has decided to provide vaccine to healthcare workers first and then social security like police. However, if you are not affected and as long as can be cured, you don't have absolute necessity of taking dose. We never know the consequences. Besides, we will have vaccine available for use for very cheap price. Even, we can get them free here as most of the vaccine are free which we have taken from our childhood including Polio, Hepatitis B, Rotavirus, BCG, OPV and such 10 more.
Look I know why you think so but honestly if the doctors of my country and the health organization approves a particular vaccine and after such a long time and after so many trials then not trusting them is the worst possible thing right now. You have to trust the authorities and social media and news channels/articles are made only to gain popularity and brain wash innocent people.

I don't know what the fear is when you know there is no possible treatment for corona virus and injecting a vaccine is going to save your life. I know why people are afraid but I am not sure how to convince them because it took so long and if they don't trust the vaccine even now then no way you are ever going to trust it.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: gantez on December 13, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
A lot of negative comments against the vaccine. Let's not forget the fact that all of these vaccines have undergone Phase III clinical trials, which involved many tens of thousands of people. None of the vaccines reported any serious side effects. Those who don't want to get vaccinated are free to do so. But I request those people not to spread unfounded rumors regarding the vaccine.

Those vaccines have already been put under trier before it went public and so I don't think there is any need for panic on this. It is a disrespect to the organization that carried out such experiment before it was brought to different places. The US is not looking back at the use of such vaccine and I think that will be useful to their economy very soon when the recovery will increase and jobs will be created too.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: kpierce77 on December 13, 2020, 06:09:09 PM
A lot of negative comments against the vaccine. Let's not forget the fact that all of these vaccines have undergone Phase III clinical trials, which involved many tens of thousands of people. None of the vaccines reported any serious side effects. Those who don't want to get vaccinated are free to do so. But I request those people not to spread unfounded rumors regarding the vaccine.
Yes, I think they are free whether they want to vaccinate or not, as long as unconfirmed rumors are not spread. the most important thing for now is how the impact is among the community. because it is true that in most areas the price of vaccines is not yet affordable. I just hope that the government creates a cross-subsidy program that will help ease the burden of high vaccine prices for the lower classes, so that prices can be more affordable for all people.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Willitivity on December 13, 2020, 09:31:37 PM
To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.
In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?
The vaccines were created to cure people who are infected with covid-19 not prevent it tho, and it's true so many research companies have claimed they have a vaccine that works for people who are infected, but I don't think we should trust those vaccines, I remembered during the lock down period when covid-19 was still deadly no no vaccine in sight, a country in Africa called madagascar claimed to have a herbal drink that can cure or prevent covid-19, the president even advertised it the herbal drink on a live TV, soon after they began selling the herbs out to several countries and guess what the herbal remedy failed it didn't work as expected,so this should tell you that nothing is 100% sure yet.
What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?
Now that it's still in the early stages, I believe the price of the vaccine will be really high, not sure if the lower class people can afford it, so it will be just the high and middle class people buying it once it's out.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: aesma on December 14, 2020, 12:21:05 AM
The price mentioned in the first post is for orders by western countries (the US, but it's about the same for the EU). In the case of my country, France, it will be totally free for people, like most mandatory and recommended vaccines.

There are various ways for the vaccines to be cheaper in poorer countries, that's what the Gates foundation is working on for example, also rich countries have put some money aside to subsidize it.

In my opinion if a country relies on people travelling (for tourism for example) then there is a big incentive to vaccinate as many people as possible to get your country "virus free" and restart the economy as normal, welcoming foreigners etc.

The Pfitzer/BioNTech vaccine is not really useable in developing countries though, with the requirement to be kept at -80°.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 14, 2020, 02:47:50 AM
A lot of negative comments against the vaccine. Let's not forget the fact that all of these vaccines have undergone Phase III clinical trials, which involved many tens of thousands of people. None of the vaccines reported any serious side effects. Those who don't want to get vaccinated are free to do so. But I request those people not to spread unfounded rumors regarding the vaccine.

Those vaccines have already been put under trier before it went public and so I don't think there is any need for panic on this. It is a disrespect to the organization that carried out such experiment before it was brought to different places. The US is not looking back at the use of such vaccine and I think that will be useful to their economy very soon when the recovery will increase and jobs will be created too.

I have seen posts here claiming that the vaccine will cause infertility, similar to the rumors spread against the polio vaccine. A few years back, medical workers were attacked in Pakistan, after militants claimed that the polio vaccine is a weapon by the western nations to bring population control to Pakistan. Billions around the world have taken the polio vaccine, and none have reported this side effect. But unfortunately, it is quite easy to fool less intelligent and uneducated people.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: AicecreaME on December 14, 2020, 05:56:09 AM
Even if it is fully ready, I won't take them for sure. In my country, we have already started vaccine trial. During the very first phase, patients had mental issues not being able to work on a full capacity. Later, it caused some other issues. Government has decided to provide vaccine to healthcare workers first and then social security like police. However, if you are not affected and as long as can be cured, you don't have absolute necessity of taking dose. We never know the consequences. Besides, we will have vaccine available for use for very cheap price. Even, we can get them free here as most of the vaccine are free which we have taken from our childhood including Polio, Hepatitis B, Rotavirus, BCG, OPV and such 10 more.

right now, i believe the study regarding after effects is not yet sufficient. as many of these pharma companies are rushing their clinical trials to get approved, i wont be surprised if some of them have their cover up regarding the actual effect of this vaccine to the overall mental or health aspect of the person. of course, we will see the immediate effect but how about the long-term impact to the person? it is yet to be seen.
getting vaccine should be the choice of the person and not compulsory. it is your body, so you have the right not to accept the vaccine. but you should know the possible consequences.

Very well said.

In order to rush things up just to proudly says we have a vaccine that'll beat up COVID-19, they are always covering the truth that will just make everything worst. I've seen an article posted in Facebook says that one of the volunteers in taking the vaccine has been paralyzed for no reason at all. We don't need 99% working vaccines to sacrifice other lives to cure many. We need a 100% working vaccines to assures everyone of us that we're all gonna make it to the end, no matter how long it'll take.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: pecson134 on December 14, 2020, 06:00:11 AM

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I think only those from the middle to upper class can afford that vaccine. But those in the lower classes and among the poor in the poorest cannot afford it, unless the government buys and gives it to the people for free if they want the country to be covid free or even reduce the spread of the virus.



The government should or could be taking action on this part most specially on those on people who were on lower class and below since they can't afford to purchase it. I believe they have the funds allocated on helping them with this kind of pandemic. You can ask them or just wait for them to announce on extending their help.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Xinarae* on December 14, 2020, 06:48:26 AM
The vaccine is not working properly now this is happening while following the safety rules. Because in this case the physical condition of many volunteers is getting worse during the trial. So keeping all the aspects in mind the trial has to be stopped for some time. Vaccines must be safe and effective to keep the public safe. Responsible governments are working to adhere to recognized scientific standards in the search for the Covid-19 vaccine. Although vaccines are not available people are struggling on their own.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 14, 2020, 07:51:53 AM
The vaccine is not working properly now this is happening while following the safety rules. Because in this case the physical condition of many volunteers is getting worse during the trial. So keeping all the aspects in mind the trial has to be stopped for some time. Vaccines must be safe and effective to keep the public safe. Responsible governments are working to adhere to recognized scientific standards in the search for the Covid-19 vaccine. Although vaccines are not available people are struggling on their own.

I think the government needs to test the vaccine before giving it to the volunteers because it can have side effects. I am sure that the government will make sure that the vaccines will be safe to be used for people who get infected from the virus. Maybe there will be a new trial after this to make sure everything is okay before distribution. People will still survive until the vaccine is found and distribute to them, and there is nothing they can do in this waiting time.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Latviand on December 14, 2020, 10:03:54 AM
What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

The price of vaccine will probably become reasonable for those who can't afford it and I think the governments will provide it.

As the demand of this vaccine increase, I think there will be more suppliers in the market that will exist.

People who are experiencing poverty should rely on the government because the government's responsibility is to give them the vaccine for free or for a reasonable price that they can.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Fredomago on December 14, 2020, 10:35:12 AM
I am very happy that there are several corona vaccine that have been tested with satisfactory results, and now it has started
in production based on the information I get from articles on the internet.
Yes there are vaccines which already available and it's been discuss all over the internet.

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But the problem is that the corona vaccine is not guaranteed to be 100% safe, still needs to be studied again the impact this can have on humans.
That's the big thing, there's no 100% guarantee that those vaccines are effective and really cure this virus.

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And the price of the $ 40 vaccine is cheap for America and Europe countries, but for the Southeast Asian country where I live.
Such amount already can fed each family for whole day in third world countries.

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To pay for the vaccine with $ 40 is very expensive and expect the government to buy the vaccine and distribute it to the population for free.
Government needs to shoulder this amount for those who lives around poor nations, as they are just surviving from day to day
and unable to add this up for another expense.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on December 14, 2020, 11:37:16 AM
Government needs to shoulder this amount for those who lives around poor nations, as they are just surviving from day to day
and unable to add this up for another expense.

Obviously in almost all the nations, the government is going to pay for the vaccine and the public will get shots for free. But then it comes to the affordability of the governments. There are several types of vaccine, and the price tag ranges from $3 per dose to $39 per dose. Considering the fact that two doses are required per individual, vaccinating a single person can cost $6 to $78. Now add the transportation cost and expenses of the medical staff. The poorer nations will obviously go for cheaper, less effective vaccines, while the developed nations will go for vaccines from Pfizer, Sputnik V and Moderna, which are more than 95% effective.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: hahay on December 14, 2020, 04:15:01 PM
Yes, the price is very expensive and for the community down to the poor it seems that it will not be able to, but it depends on the government, will there be a policy that will at least ease the community even though it is still not free. Vaccines are made not only to reduce the spread, because with the vaccine at least our bodies will become immune to the virus. This is no longer a precautionary measure and they won't be careless about releasing the vaccine itself, so with a lot of effort and clinical trials that have been done, at least I believe the vaccine will be good because it has gone through a lot of trial and research.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: TheGreatPython on December 15, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
I understand that some people fear vaccination and I understand the fear right now for this specific one, but do not become like people we mock over vaccinating their kids. It is vitally important to realize that vaccinations works, and for some reason there are some morons out there in the world who refuses to vaccinate their kids and not only they are putting their own child in danger since they could die a lot easier, but they are also putting others in danger as well, less vaccinated people means a lot more diseases back into our world killing people as well.

So, if you refuse to vaccinate just because you found some "hidden agenda" for vaccination, that means you are going to actually risk your life and others life in danger just because you believed there was something hidden from you and it wasn't just "get vaccination and get better".


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: dothebeats on December 15, 2020, 04:54:50 PM
You just have to read publicly-available documents out there regarding the vaccines, and you’ll have at least an idea on how would this particular vaccine help in keeping yourself healthy or relatively safe. The duration of immunity is dependent on the person’s immune response and tolerance to the vaccine. Regardless, it still gives us general immunity against COVID-19, as was evidenced by the trials done by its creators.

Also, check sources for people who are opposing the idea of the vaccine, and see how their opinions stack up against other people working on the same field as them. These vaccines would surely put a dent on our history, as it’s not only the fastest vaccine ever created, tied to it is perhaps one of the biggest feat in terms of manufacturing and logistics.

As for the price, the WHO have already come into terms with these vaccine makers on the price of shots so that it can be accessible and affordable for all. So yeah, most of these factors are already thought out.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: thienlonghue on December 16, 2020, 02:16:34 PM
This price is reasonable, cause of its necesssrary and the demand.
Vaccine dissemination has high economic expectations, but it also brings some concerns about safety and transparency.
The availability of vaccines also does not guarantee the rapid development of community immunity, as countries lack a huge number of vaccines and the results of mass vaccination may not be as expected.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: LogitechMouse on December 16, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?
Well, that is the purpose of the trials. To see the effectivity of the product.
Since this is a new vaccine, not all of the people around the world will have the same effects. There will be some who will have some side effects coming from the vaccine but overall, it will be a good vaccine.

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.
I knew the trauma that the Dengvaxia vaccine gave to the people since we both came into the same country but we need to trust the vaccine and since it has been gone thru many clinical trials, I can also say that the vaccine for COVID19 is somewhat safe although the side effects to some people are still there.

What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

I think only those from the middle to upper class can afford that vaccine. But those in the lower classes and among the poor in the poorest cannot afford it, unless the government buys and gives it to the people for free if they want the country to be covid free or even reduce the spread of the virus.
The Pfizer vaccine's price is reasonable for the middle class but for the poor class, its obvious that they will just pick the cheapest one if there is a vaccine cheaper than Pfizer and Biontech. You have a choice not to be vaccinated as long as you know that you are safe but there is a risk into it especially if you are always going outside since you might spend more when you got infected by the virus.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Mauser on December 16, 2020, 04:05:05 PM
I think news about the mass production of corona vaccines had a positive effect for all sectors, not only the crypto market. Stocks in general are up since the news came out with the biontech vaccine. In my opinion people are just relieved that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Finally we can hope for the end of the pandemic.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Wawa2013 on December 16, 2020, 10:22:00 PM
In theory, a vaccine is needed to stop the spread of the corona virus, and it is planned that in 2021 a vaccine distribution will be carried out
all over the country. This does sound positive, because there is hope that the corona virus can be stopped and the economy can recover.
But many people forget that the vaccine is not 100% safe for the human body, don't forget that every human body has a different resistance.
So it is possible that the current corona vaccine has bad effects in the long term for some people. Therefore, I have been hesitant to be
vaccinated until now, I prefer to use the natural method with blood plasma. Moreover, the price for the corona vaccine is $ 39, which is
expensive for my country, which is one of the third world countries.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: AndySt on December 16, 2020, 11:59:42 PM
In theory, a vaccine is needed to stop the spread of the corona virus, and it is planned that in 2021 a vaccine distribution will be carried out
all over the country. This does sound positive, because there is hope that the corona virus can be stopped and the economy can recover.
But many people forget that the vaccine is not 100% safe for the human body, don't forget that every human body has a different resistance.
So it is possible that the current corona vaccine has bad effects in the long term for some people. Therefore, I have been hesitant to be
vaccinated until now, I prefer to use the natural method with blood plasma. Moreover, the price for the corona vaccine is $ 39, which is
expensive for my country, which is one of the third world countries.
In any case, the potential side effects of the vaccine are usually safer than the complications of diseases that occur in an epidemic, not to mention mortality. Let's hope that next winter will already be used vaccines that will prove to be safer and more effective this season. According to the law of the market, when mass production is established and debugged, the price should already be an order of magnitude less, which will allow the vaccination to be distributed to more countries.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Pamadar on December 17, 2020, 03:40:49 AM
In theory, a vaccine is needed to stop the spread of the corona virus, and it is planned that in 2021 a vaccine distribution will be carried out
all over the country. This does sound positive, because there is hope that the corona virus can be stopped and the economy can recover.
But many people forget that the vaccine is not 100% safe for the human body, don't forget that every human body has a different resistance.
So it is possible that the current corona vaccine has bad effects in the long term for some people. Therefore, I have been hesitant to be
vaccinated until now, I prefer to use the natural method with blood plasma. Moreover, the price for the corona vaccine is $ 39, which is
expensive for my country, which is one of the third world countries.

Either way its not safe, it's far better to follow safety protocols and be more furious in anything you do.

The vaccines even already available but the side effects still unclear, same with what you have said body resistance is not all the same,
in the long run there's still possibilities that problem or any health concer may take place.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Gyfts on December 17, 2020, 05:16:38 AM
39$ here is worth 4 days of minimum wage here so I think it's still affordable. And I think the government will handle the cost first, then they will pass it to their citizens to pay it for some months.

There are different versions of the COVID 19 vaccine and there is a large variation in their price. And in most of the developing nations (as well as some of the developed nations), the government will pickup the price tag and the citizens don't need to pay anything. Two of the most effective vaccines are costly, with the Moderna vaccine costing around $75 for two doses and the one from Pfizer costing around $40. The one from Sinovac (China) also costs around $60 for two doses. The Sputnik V vaccine of Russia is a bit cheaper, with a price tag of $18-$20 for two doses. These vaccines have an efficiency of around 95%.

But most of the developing nations will prefer less effective vaccines, which are cheaper and easier to transport. The one from Oxford-AstraZeneca costs only around $8 for two doses and it has an efficiency of around 60%-70%.

Where are you reading that the efficacy rate of these vaccines are 95%? The only actual confirmed vaccine with an efficacy rate that high is the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. They went through clinical trials and got FDA approval in the U.S. and is rolling out in the UK.

I wouldn't believe any numbers from a shady Russian vaccine or Chinese vaccine. Pretty sure they released a vaccine months ago without having gone through any clinical oversight. Far from the 95% efficacy we see with Pfizer/BioNTech...


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Lagoons on December 17, 2020, 08:30:58 AM
$39 sounds like a super reasonable price, as I read it at least. But I understand you're probably from a poorer country.

If money is an issue and you're under 60 years old, then don't even bother with the vaccine. What's the current death rate for covid? It's something less than 1%.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: adzino on December 17, 2020, 08:45:27 AM
They have their own reasons to be afraid of getting vaccinated. I mean, the trials don't show results of the long term affect. There is also that slight very very small chance of having some rare side effects that some people are scared that they might be the one affected by it. But I doubt anything bad is going to happen.
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What do you think the price, is that reasonable? Can people buy at that price?

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$40 is small money for some but for those who are poor it suffocates them.  I was convinced from the start that the emergence of a vaccine would only add to the huge profits for drug companies.  the government must immediately step in to overcome this so that there is no rebellion from residents who feel the cost of the vaccine is choking them..
I doubt all the countries will be using the same price. Those developing and 3rd world countries might get it for cheap. And yeah, those who can't afford it, the government will step in to help them.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: raidarksword on December 17, 2020, 12:35:35 PM
We waited for this a long time just to have that vaccine being able to be available to us and I think this is  nothing worry about it because it passed human trials and with that alone is already an assurance it is safe. We cannot deny some people are scared about the side effects but we don't have a choice either. Creating negativity will only create mass hysteria and fear to people and that's not gonna benefit us at all.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: FlightyPouch on December 17, 2020, 01:13:35 PM
I also say very effectively what some vaccines just need confidence so we can be healed of greed but the problem is how much the value of the said vaccine because its a kind of business I think it is completely not affordable for very poor people therefore if you have the money you still alive and besides there are no other choices to relieve your pain.

I think these poor people should not provide for themselves when it comes to their own vaccines. They had a hard time in these times and I think it is just rightful for the government to provide for their people. I am not saying all of them since for sure, there are those that can provide for themselves. Let those indigents have free vaccines.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on December 17, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
We waited for this a long time just to have that vaccine being able to be available to us and I think this is  nothing worry about it because it passed human trials and with that alone is already an assurance it is safe. We cannot deny some people are scared about the side effects but we don't have a choice either. Creating negativity will only create mass hysteria and fear to people and that's not gonna benefit us at all.

Phase III trials involved tens of thousands of people and none of the test subjects reported any serious side effects. Therefore I don't understand why certain sections of the population are refusing to undergo vaccination. I understand that there are a lot of unfounded rumors circulating regarding the vaccine. Those who spread these false rumors must be jailed, as they are putting billions of people in danger.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Mauser on December 17, 2020, 01:20:22 PM
People give a huge value on the vaccine. If you look at biontech company for example, all the share price rise can be attributed to the corona vaccine. The company is not doing much else at the moment. The stock price jumped a few hundred percent since the start if the crisis. I think most people view the vaccine as a saviour for 2021.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on December 17, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
There must be some step before the vaccine be used massively, not just someone found a vaccine and he directly use and share to many people, it is not like that. So I think the vaccine will be safe for human as long as the vaccine has successfully faced several clinical trials.

As for the vaccine price, I guess the government should pay it and give to their people in order to they use the vaccine for free. In this situation there will be many people who lose their job and what will they pay?

I think, instead of the government focusing more on solving the economic problem that continues to deteriorate, they will be better at giving the vaccine freelh so as the coronavirus will no longer attack deadly, this way they will be easier to control their economic situation.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: shield132 on December 17, 2020, 03:51:11 PM
To reduce the spread of the covid 19 virus, we need a vaccine, and now there are some vaccines ready to be released on the market this coming year 2021.

In my country there are some barangays/places to be vaccinated first. The question is, is it safe? What will be the effect on the person being injected?

You can trace the fear of people to its possible effect. There are people interviewed who really do not want to get vaccinated out of fear. Even me, I have doubt on this vaccine after what happened to the Dengvaxia vaccine which caused the deaths of some children's here in our country.

Aside from the possible negative or positive effect of this covid vaccine, we need to consider also the value of it.



We have no choice but to get vaccinated or get infected and die from CoVid, it's bitter to swallow but we have to take it, they have spent a lot of times and spent a lot of money just to come out a vaccine because this is the only solution we have right now because we can never be sure if we are going to be fine if we get infected with CoVid.
Wait wait, do you seriously say that? Don't we have another choice? I am a healthy male, workout a lot, haven't been infected for years by any virus and year will pass for me without getting flu. So, for people like me, I think there is no need to get vaccinated, especially when we don't know the side effects of it. There were a lot of medicines that had serious side effects that were only detected after years. An average healthy person doesn't need to get vaccinated, I think only 5-10% of population may get vaccinated, only those who have high potential to get dead or seriously ill by this virus. On another hand, we shouldn't get vaccinated without our wishes. Personally I think I am healthy and don't want to risk my future for the possible side effects of the vaccine, especially when I'll pass covid without any symptoms.


Title: Re: Cause of Covid Vaccine and it's Value
Post by: Fesatmas on December 17, 2020, 04:07:29 PM

If things are going to make it more riskier for the patients ahead, I believe that the natural therapy that's already being given to them like early morning hot water given to them to drink, take them to the hospital's terrace from 8 am - 10 am for them to get sunlight, boiled food, boiled water, social distancing from each other, constant sanitation are much better than these vaccines which put our future on stake much more than what we are supposed to get.

Yes, that's right, the vaccine is currently still in the testing phase, although many claim it has been tested. yes it has been tested, but vaccines only affect the immune system of various types and of course it will be very fatal if its use is unstable and very vulnerable at age.
I don't think the vaccines currently in distribution give full confidence in that need. and I saw how traditional methods are still effective in dealing with the illnesses that some COVID-19 patients suffer. one of them as you mention.