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Title: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: kentrolla on January 18, 2021, 09:37:43 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: arwin100 on January 18, 2021, 09:51:45 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

If you are in profit with the current huge market pump then you can be called as a winner and also I think all of us crypto user is the winner to in different way but the one who really got benefited on it is the whales since they are the one who buy a huge volume of bitcoins and if buy at the current rate from the past and hold it for sure they are earning big gains up till now.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Mahanton on January 18, 2021, 09:59:38 PM
Ultimate winners? Aside from early miners then to those who had able to buy when its still cheap wayback in 2010 and still holding for this very moment.

If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
In regards into this question then of course to those who had invested bigger would really have the advantage on making profits when the market tends to rise up.
The more money you had invested the more profit you would gain same goes on losing it too and this is no brainer.
Is it really that important to point out which is the ultimate winner?


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Obi theo on January 18, 2021, 10:02:28 PM
"ultimate winner" is only left for one to decide , some people already had btc since 2017 and sold it during the 2017 pump, some lost theirs , some kept theirs till date  and still wait for greater pump so in them they would choose who the ultimate winner are, for me it's obvious that the ultimate winners are those that KEPT theirs since 2017 and SOLD it during it's December pump.
  


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: ReiMomo on January 18, 2021, 10:04:31 PM
Institutions adopt bitcoin when it comes popular in the mainstream and it also a rumors to everyone. That is how they will adopt bitcoin and most commonly accept it as a mode of payment method. On the other hand, what about the holders and invested bitcoin when a bearish market come, they surely get profit by now but among others, I guess they prefer to still hold for a better future when it comes to finances.

The ultimate winner could be the holder of bitcoin since 2018 when bitcoin experienced a massive drop that almost become the price to the buttom.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on January 18, 2021, 10:20:16 PM
If we are talking generally then it would be us all, its users and hodlers of bitcoin because it pumped, not only just pumped but it wildly pumped. But money-wise people who stick with bitcoin, hodl long term, invested tons of money are the real winners here. Now we can only imagine how lucky they are that they have thousands of bitcoin with $35K each, they are living the dream of us all  8)


Another success for Satoshi Nakamoto surpassing reaching $40K ;D


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Oceat on January 18, 2021, 10:23:34 PM
Ultimate winner? How about whales? Aren't they considered as ultimate winner? As far as I know, you would be called one of the ultimate winner if you frequently gained profit during the bull run and still keep making profit while owning a huge BTC in your wallet. Then there are these big institutions adopting Bitcoin, making the price to pump like crazy and if more and more bigger institutions are adopting Bitcoin then I think those who owns more Bitcoin may be the most ultimate winner.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Harlot on January 18, 2021, 10:33:12 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ?

Uhmm Bitcoin did dive down below 4,000$ even after 2017 so I don't see us having an advantage compared to the users who have entered now. When it comes to the question on who are the biggest winners in the Bitcoin bull run it will always be the whales or the first movers since they are always the ones buying and selling at the best prices possible. Meaning they have the best percentage gain and they have less risk possible since what they do is where the market will follow. Us average users only get to benefit on what they are doing if we land a profit we are still winners though.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: livingfree on January 18, 2021, 10:42:53 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
Institutions who have invested before the bull run like Grayscale. They're in great profit and I think it was estimated a billion or more. Everyone who have bought before $20k-$30k, we're all winners.

And mostly, those who have held between 2018-2020. Those were the greatest days of accumulation December of 2018 and March 2020. Have to sell and take profit when it had come from $39k-$42k.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: taufik123 on January 18, 2021, 10:47:07 PM
holder became the winner when Bitcoin started to be pumped higher and higher until now. Some holders buy bitoin at the lowest price and hold it until now it reaches a new ATH. The benefits obtained by the holder will be very much if they are able to hold it until now. Traders simply take advantage of the fluctuating price of bitcoin and continue to do so for profit. There is no ultimate winner, everyone wins when they are able to hold bitcoins from the lowest price to the new ATH price and benefit from it.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: cr1776 on January 18, 2021, 10:49:56 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

Pretty much anyone who bought or mined through January 1, 2021 (and hopefully this continues) got the benefit of it.  Assuming they didn't sell.  In short, anyone who didn't try and time the market has done well.

As far as institutions, most are buying for the long haul - years - not days, weeks, or months.

And who says this is a "pump".  Was it a pump from and of these points to the next: 0.10 to 1 to 10 to 100 to 1000 to 2000 to 10000 to 30000?  Or was it just natural increase in demand?


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: dimonstration on January 18, 2021, 10:56:01 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
Everyone who is able to hold this long when BTC reach $40k is a winner, actually we can all consider ourselves winner for having BTC while others are still doubting about it's usefulness as well possibility to gain profit in trading or simply just waiting and holding till the time like this happen. We are winner in terms that the risk we faced is paid off and that we're able to hold this long, those who cashout from 2017 and still Continuous to use crypto or have BTC can consider themselves 2x winner especially if they were able to enjoy the 2017 pump and still have left some as their investment.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: yohananaomi on January 19, 2021, 09:03:55 AM
holder became the winner when Bitcoin started to be pumped higher and higher until now. Some holders buy bitoin at the lowest price and hold it until now it reaches a new ATH. The benefits obtained by the holder will be very much if they are able to hold it until now. Traders simply take advantage of the fluctuating price of bitcoin and continue to do so for profit. There is no ultimate winner, everyone wins when they are able to hold bitcoins from the lowest price to the new ATH price and benefit from it.
It is true, that the increase in bitcoin has had a huge impact on the holder who has held it for a long time and was looking forward to the increase and now he really enjoys the meaning of waiting for the long term investment of bitcoin.
because Bitcoin continues to update its ATH which is indeed amazing at this time.

But we also know that before the increase occurred from bitcoin, the pandemic hit the whole world, and I'm not sure there are still many individuals who can save patiently because the needs during the pandemic must also be considered. maybe there would still be if he had not experienced the crisis that hit him, but the beneficiaries were obviously the big traders and companies that could and were able to do that and had little impact.

that's why I don't see the happiness of many people with the increase in bitcoin, it could be because many have sold it. if only altcoins also increase at the same time maybe a lot of help, I hope this year altcoins can reach ATH.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Coinsfera on January 19, 2021, 11:22:35 AM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
This time institutions were more active than were in 2017. The institutional players added additional power to Bitcoin. We can almost conclude that institutions were the engine and the collector of profit. The huge investments in Bitcoin were significant by MicroStrategy and Grayscale. At the same time, traders get the chance to benefit from the price differences. In 22 days Bitcoin doubled its price it was unprecedented. Also, hodlers and who bought Bitcoin in March 2020 were the absolute winners here.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: maculeth on January 19, 2021, 12:35:53 PM
the winner? of course that holds large amounts of bitcoin. for retail investors who buy little by little, they can also be said to be winning or winning even a little. while the biggest winners are, people or investors who may often be referred to as "whales" because they own large amounts of bitcoins.
what about the bounty hunter? The bitcoin pump should have been their win if only the project went well and was launched into a good exchange market, while the coin price was still in an uptrend.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Kasabus on January 19, 2021, 01:54:12 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
This time institutions were more active than were in 2017. The institutional players added additional power to Bitcoin. We can almost conclude that institutions were the engine and the collector of profit. The huge investments in Bitcoin were significant by MicroStrategy and Grayscale. At the same time, traders get the chance to benefit from the price differences. In 22 days Bitcoin doubled its price it was unprecedented. Also, hodlers and who bought Bitcoin in March 2020 were the absolute winners here.
Winners are those investors who have bought bitcoins when the price was around $3k-$4k and up to the present patiently hold their bitcoins. If they sell them with the current price, huge profits surely awaits them. Whales are also winners of their own since they own huge amount of bitcoin which makes the price pumps more. And institutional investors too who accepts bitcoin as a payment to accumulate more bitcoin and in return, hold them so that the current bitcoin price will still keep on pumping.



Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: bassbity on January 19, 2021, 02:06:52 PM
But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

It seems that this year, in my opinion, it is not the part of us who can enjoy the overall benefits of the bitcoin bull run. You probably already know who greedily makes billions of profits in today's market. whales, big miners, companies that adopt too much bitcoin without the maximum limit. and we can only watch without being given a chance like 2017.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Takijyz on January 19, 2021, 02:19:36 PM
Ultimate winners are those who have given the chance to gain profit from the bull run. No matter how much or who gain the most profit from it, at the times like this it doesn't matter. Hope is build to everyone's mind. Especially the world's economy is not doing well due to pandemic and other internal crisis. A small portion of the bitcoin plus the pump, i will also be the Ultimate Winner!


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: hatshepsut93 on January 19, 2021, 02:20:19 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market.

Bitcoin's can't be more affordable or less affordable, the minimum investment amount is so small that it's not going to be a problem ever. In 2017 any investor, big or small, could double their money withing months or even weeks and days in the later stages. The same is happening now - Bitcoin went from 10k to 40k, and everyone has equal access to it.

The recent google trends data shows that retail investors started joining at around $35,000, though of course they were always present on this market. Overall it's still the individual investors who are winnings the most, as those are the people who hold the most coins.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: mezzaluna on January 19, 2021, 03:29:13 PM
I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

Another set of people who had the most benefit regarding this bull run are the people who really waited for Bitcoin to reach certain value before converting it into their own local currencies. Traders will surely benefit from this kinds of bull run because they are always watching Cryptocurrencies that they can benefit from and multiple developers than had their Alternate Cryptocurrencies ready to sell at this Btc bull run.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: masterzino on January 19, 2021, 04:21:23 PM
I think everyone in the crypto community is a winner here. Even those who bought at $20K a few years ago can profit and gain some confidence. Additionally, the whole crypto community is more mature now, and the projects are getting the needed financing easier.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Yatsan on January 19, 2021, 04:23:51 PM
The ultimate winners are those who benefit on the Bitcoin pump which can be already given and obvious that those who bought when the price is still cheap than the current price pump are the ones to be considered as the ultimate winners for they have come into a worthy decision of buying Bitcoin at lower price and manage to hold it for a while until price rises and gain their profit from the pump happening. They are not just considered as patient but as well as lucky for their patience have make them pass through circumstances and now they are gaining their deserve prosperity and benefit for the decision they have made.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: ice18 on January 19, 2021, 04:28:25 PM
This bull run the one who will benefit really huge is for sure the one who will hodl up to highest price it can reach before going back again in bear market like in 2018 this is mostly institutional investors because they know very well how financial market works weak hands probably will sell very early like in the middle of this bull market. 


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Silberman on January 19, 2021, 04:49:36 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
I really think that except for those that sold their coins for a loss everyone is winning with the growth that we are seeing in the market of bitcoin, even those that are not holding any bitcoin right now are winning because it seems that we are finally headed to major adoption and if that is the case then people will finally have the freedom to use their money as they want without having a government trying to supervise everything that they do with their money.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: imstillthebest on January 19, 2021, 06:32:34 PM
Nothing have changed at all.

You my think that you and small users gets benefits the most because you can easily sell but what you have sell is only a tiny portion of what have the whales and institutions have and also there are large number of altcoins back in the year 2017 because that was the time that ico started and ico and altcoins are both profitable too that time .

What really have change is the profitability of altcoins and ico are now gone


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: rokon1234 on January 20, 2021, 01:48:48 AM
In 2017 everyone got same profits with bitcoin and altcoin.This time i think bitcoin owner are got big profits.i think he is winner who was hold his bitcoin since 2017 bull run end.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: kentrolla on January 20, 2021, 02:40:44 PM
The ultimate winners are those who benefit on the Bitcoin pump which can be already given and obvious that those who bought when the price is still cheap than the current price pump are the ones to be considered as the ultimate winners for they have come into a worthy decision of buying Bitcoin at lower price and manage to hold it for a while until price rises and gain their profit from the pump happening. They are not just considered as patient but as well as lucky for their patience have make them pass through circumstances and now they are gaining their deserve prosperity and benefit for the decision they have made.

Agree, like you said it's not so easy to hold our nerves if the price goes down once after we bought. We have a unique example of those who bought in high price before few year's for 19+ and they were waiting patiently even the price came down to 3k. Many of them sold in FOMO and many of them believed in BTC that's the spirit I would say for the holders. Because they would have surely faced lot of ups and downs after buying at high price after all the challenges they are declared as winners.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Wenbing on January 20, 2021, 04:48:22 PM

But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

I have an opposing view that trader profit more from the btc bull run . here is my reason; traders are speculators, as such they speculate for price movement , once they see an opportunity to buy, and once they see an opportunity to sell, they sell in a very short time.

I think that the group that should make the highest profit are those who have held btc for many years, they are the early adopters and early investors.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: teosanru on January 20, 2021, 04:56:21 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
I think it's always the market makers who make more money. On number 2 there are the average users and on number 3 you would see traders making money in such a market. Many people would be surprised to see traders on number 3 in this market but truth is when there is such an uptrend market people who just buy and hold gain more than the peope who continuously buy and sell because 30-40% of times their trades end up hitting stop losses in such a volatile market. This makes trading miserable in such a market. But obviously ultimate winners are big money people who had pumped tons of money around 10-15K.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Cling18 on January 20, 2021, 05:00:47 PM
Any traders and investors who have gained profit are still considered winners during this Bull season. We should keep in mind that profit is still profit and having a good decision to buy before the pump and selling it when the price struck high was the best move. However, we could still do the same thing as long as we know how to invest with perfect timing. I believe that there are more traders and holders who have gained better profit this season than the 2017's ath.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Wysi on January 20, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
It's definitely going to be the institutions who will as biggest winner of the current Bitcoin bullrun as it hardly takes one major dump to send panic wave across the market wherein so many naive users as well as short term investors will end up selling their Bitcoin which will be bought back by institutions or whales. It could be normal users like us who can emerge as winners if we decide not to sellout Bitcoin and can only invest the amount which we don't need immediately.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: serjent05 on January 20, 2021, 06:16:43 PM
The one who has the most benefits is the one who is manipulating the market.  Those who laid out schemes and trends on the market since they have full control and knows the bottom and peak of the trades.  Those who benefitted from their actions are just consolation, the best part is always taken by the schemer since they know when to buy and to sell with the most profitable trade.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: ImHash on January 20, 2021, 07:43:36 PM
Everybody with Bitcoin is the winner, people who invest now are going to be winners in the future, people who bought Bitcoin in the past now are the winners. Now who is the loser? anyone not buying or having Bitcoin now is the loser.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: LittleBitFunny on January 20, 2021, 08:16:23 PM
The winners are those who were lucky enough to buy Bitcoin at a very low price. Holders who bought Bitcoin at a much lower price are gainers today. There are many of us who give various excuses to buy Bitcoin, many of them say they have money problem, some of them give excuses of not knowing well about Bitcoin, they are actually looser, they have never tried to know about bitcoin and always making FOMO.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Lanatsa on January 20, 2021, 08:29:38 PM
Everybody with Bitcoin is the winner, people who invest now are going to be winners in the future, people who bought Bitcoin in the past now are the winners. Now who is the loser? anyone not buying or having Bitcoin now is the loser.

Not all who do engage with bitcoin are winners and come to think that this doesn't only compose of holders but also with those active/day traders as well which means to those who had lost money
on dealing with the market then are considered losers too.It is depending on which side you are in.

Talking generally into those winners then for those who do make out big investments that do came from institutional or big companies that put up big funds for the belief
that they can really sip out some serious profits on here.

Buying out on dip can really made it possible.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: iTradeChips on January 21, 2021, 10:17:23 AM
Ok, I see that the question is directed to a "who", a person. In my opinion, the winner of this round - I call it round because Bitcoin is still being mined and it will take until the next century for it to be fully mined; so the winner of the round would be the early birds, those who bought bitcoin in 2010 and kept their wallets, provided they cashed out. If they kept it in their wallets then that would be still an investment for them and they might wait again until the next bull run.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: pinggoki on January 21, 2021, 10:28:58 AM
The ultimate winners of the bitcoin pump up are the miners and traders, the miners because they are the one who is mining bitcoin and they are the one who get the most of the bitcoin. The traders because they are the one who is buying when the price is low and selling on the upper pump of the bitcoin so I guess they are the one who really get the good and high profit when this bitcoin pumps up.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: iTradeChips on January 22, 2021, 09:59:03 AM
The ultimate winners of the bitcoin pump up are the miners and traders, the miners because they are the one who is mining bitcoin and they are the one who get the most of the bitcoin. The traders because they are the one who is buying when the price is low and selling on the upper pump of the bitcoin so I guess they are the one who really get the good and high profit when this bitcoin pumps up.

I would think we also need to add here those who have invested and waited a long time and had the mental discipline not to sell their bitcoins at the time when the first all time high happened. Imagine if someone bought bitcoins before a long time ago and was able to save all of that and sold some this year then that guy is already a rich man. It is really a good thing for investors to have the discipline to wait and the mental control not to panic on occasions when Bitcoin price is getting low.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: blckhawk on January 22, 2021, 10:36:52 AM
I would say that we are all the winners of this Bitcoin pump because no matter what price you sell you still gain a profit out of it and that is a win. But I think the most who benefited from this pump are the holders who bought at the cheapest price cause without a doubt that it would be a lot of profit. Imagine if you bought it when it was only worth $3k and you manage to control your emotion to not to sell until now, that would be a hella huge profit. That's why patience is a virtue but make sure that you know your limit otherwise you'll miss the opportunity.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: dohh on January 22, 2021, 11:13:48 AM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

Ultimately there is only one answer, but this community would not like it.

For that, you should analyze 3 portions of data. I won´t give you the sources, feel free to choose yourself. Anyway, the 3-step analysis of the truth is:

1) BTC average transaction size has been 100 times and more of the size of the median transaction almost every day during all these years. That means someone moves huge sums AT EVERY PRICE LEVEL.

2) BTC overall distribution between the sizes of wallets, does not have sudden changes over a longer time period. That means the vast majority of these large transactions are made between one and himself.

3) Bitcoin's total distribution ratio, between TOP100 wallets and the rest of the wallets is dropping slowly, but significantly faster, than new coins are released. That means the whales slowly but steadily sell out their huge reserves at prices they themselves produce.

The fact that you can gamble and earn something too, is well... a byproduct of a bigger game.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: LogitechMouse on January 22, 2021, 11:23:42 AM
Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
If I will just pick between those 2, the winner are the institutions because they got the opportunity to buy Bitcoin today and yesterday at a lower price. They are buying on a daily basis so for sure they also bought some when it went down.

Overall, the ultimate winners are those investors who invested into Bitcoin for quite some time already and still holding (possible those who bought at least 5 years ago or more). They are the ultimate winners for now as they are having their biggest profit of their lifetime with the Bitcoins they are holding.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: 0t3p0t on January 22, 2021, 11:39:26 AM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
The ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump are still the hodlers with patience. Those with weak hands may still get profit but not totally get the benefit of the entire bullrun. In every bullrun it is very common for a trader to cut loss when attacked by emotions. You are always a winner when you have a good timing.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: dupee419 on January 22, 2021, 06:49:32 PM
The people who bought last 3 years ago, definitely was the time where BTC was the cheapest after that huge bull run on December 2017, it came around at $5000, those are definitely the ultimate winners, if they did so, they definitely made the greatest decisions in their lives, although the ultimate winners will definitely those who did hold when BTC was under $1000, they are the real winners.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: uneng on January 22, 2021, 07:55:07 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

Ultimately there is only one answer, but this community would not like it.

For that, you should analyze 3 portions of data. I won´t give you the sources, feel free to choose yourself. Anyway, the 3-step analysis of the truth is:

1) BTC average transaction size has been 100 times and more of the size of the median transaction almost every day during all these years. That means someone moves huge sums AT EVERY PRICE LEVEL.

2) BTC overall distribution between the sizes of wallets, does not have sudden changes over a longer time period. That means the vast majority of these large transactions are made between one and himself.

3) Bitcoin's total distribution ratio, between TOP100 wallets and the rest of the wallets is dropping slowly, but significantly faster, than new coins are released. That means the whales slowly but steadily sell out their huge reserves at prices they themselves produce.

The fact that you can gamble and earn something too, is well... a byproduct of a bigger game.
Well, these whales are the main benefited in a situation like this without any doubts, being them by themselves or behind an institution. These guys aren't only very wealthy, but they are also very smart and professional players in speculation game. And since a long time ago, even before bitcoin was created, that is how these people make money. But the good thing nowadays, since bitcoin was created, is that they aren't the only benefited anymore, as average enthusiasts and patient holders can also see amazing gains over their investments. So far with bitcoin everyone has won, since the smallest to the biggest of the investors.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: thesmallgod on January 22, 2021, 08:22:19 PM
How do you know that institution are not cashing out? probably because most institutions are just considering investing in bitcoin. If this is your submission, I would not doubt. It has never happened in history that bitcoin reach such enormous mention on social media such as twitter. However, just like you have mentioned. anyone that take advantage of the fall in price in 2018 to get into bitcoin and buy is one of the ultimate winners. Who would have thought a coin that was less than $10k 10 months ago will be above $30k today. It is totally crazy. The goal of being an ultimate winner is to bank on long term investment 


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: verita1 on January 22, 2021, 08:53:47 PM
The institutions are winning because they will keep the bitcoin that we leave. When the price of bitcoin is still very high that we cannot buy. Why so much bitcoin price resistance? If anyone is considering owning some bitcoin, hold because it won't be so easy next time.
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🚨 Business intelligence firm @MicroStrategy has acquired $ 10 million more worth of Bitcoin. The firm paid $ 31,808 per coin on average.

They bought the dip again.

https://twitter.com/MadelonVos__/status/1352624913232900101?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MadelonVos__/status/1352624913232900101?s=19)


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Oasisman on January 22, 2021, 09:08:32 PM
Everyone who is invested in Bitcoin is considered as ultimate winner. Everyone has benefited from the pump. Traders, institutional investors, and retail investors, most especially the long term hodlers all of these types of investors surely had profited from the pump, and talking about who has gained more than the other, I guess that depends on the amount of money an individual or institution are invested. You said traders had more profit than the rest, well you never know how much they have lost before the pump, because trading doesn't always give you a guaranteed profit.
How about those who bought at the bottom of 2018? Don't you think they have gained more profit than the rest?


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: MCobian on January 22, 2021, 09:26:13 PM
This year has been extraordinary for Bitcoin, because this year Bitcoin made it to the new ATH at $ 41,000. I am sure many Bitcoin holders will
benefit from the quite high increase in Bitcoin, and everyone who takes profit deserves to be called a winner. Then for the ultimate winners,
of course investors who buy Bitcoin when the price is very low, and managed to sell it when Bitcoin hit a price of $ 41,000. Which means that
these investors managed to get maximum profit.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: EdgeoftheContinent on January 22, 2021, 09:50:41 PM
Probably people who have been holding for more than a few years. If you decided to sell some I would imagine they would have made a good profit.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: pixie85 on January 22, 2021, 10:10:33 PM
You're talking like it's all over OP, but it's not. I'll give it about 90% probability that it's not yet a reversal into a bear market and that we will see a continuation of this bull run later this year. We are where we were at 3000 dollars in 2017. Compare these two events on the chart and you'll see how similar they are.

Those who benefit the most are always people who catch the top and sell but how many are there? 1% of all investors? The second to benefit are holders.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: cyriljundos on January 23, 2021, 01:00:52 AM
The ultimate winners and most profit earners in this btc pump are those investor in 2018 and below.they trusted bitcoin even from the beginning that btc is in low value, I started at 2018 in this digital currency, i regret that i didnt invest in BTC, probably now im a millionaire and enjoying the bitcoin higher its value.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: romero121 on January 23, 2021, 01:18:14 AM
Everyone who had atleast a small amount of bitcoin during the time of bitcoin reaching its ATH is a winner. Maybe they weren't able to cashout bitcoin for different reasons, but everyone could've experienced the value change in their wallets. Myself too saw the change, beyond this large scale investors are big winners. The investment is big and same is with the profiting. This means they've made a big return in a very short time period compared to small scale hodlers who have been waiting for this occasion for years.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Jemzx00 on January 23, 2021, 01:24:45 AM
You're talking like it's all over OP, but it's not. I'll give it about 90% probability that it's not yet a reversal into a bear market and that we will see a continuation of this bull run later this year. We are where we were at 3000 dollars in 2017. Compare these two events on the chart and you'll see how similar they are.

Those who benefit the most are always people who catch the top and sell but how many are there? 1% of all investors? The second to benefit are holders.
I don't think that the current bull run will continue later this year, I might have to disagree with you. What I see on the market right now, is that we are heading on a bear market and later to be on the price correction. We might not reach the ATH that happened weeks ago.
Also, If you compare the bull run that happened to 2017 and this year, you'll see a lot of difference. Referring the bear market of bitcoin's price of 3000 to today's dump is kinda ridiculous. We haven't seen the bear market yet and we are about face it soon.

Anyway, those who benefit the most hear are those who have invested a lot and those who have tons of bitcoins laying around. It's only about how much they've gained and profited on the ATH. People who have bitcoins ever since 2016 and sold their assets today or even before the ATH is a winner as the price comparison from both times are huge. People who've invested on bitcoin before ATH and sold at ATH are winners also as they've made profit on it.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: skarais on January 23, 2021, 01:48:53 AM
But I totally agree that bitcoin holder in the long run are the winners. There are so many investors who buy bitcoin and hold it until ATH is reached. Anyone who buys bitcoin in March 2020 and sell it on ATH is the winner. Unfortunately, most of us can only talk nonsense without taking any action to buy bitcoin when the price was still very low in March 2020. Lack of capital, lack of knowledge about the potential of bitcoin, covid-19 are some of the common reasons some of us don't buy bitcoin.

Why are we always the ones who arrive late for better profit ?


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Silberman on January 23, 2021, 09:17:51 PM
The people who bought last 3 years ago, definitely was the time where BTC was the cheapest after that huge bull run on December 2017, it came around at $5000, those are definitely the ultimate winners, if they did so, they definitely made the greatest decisions in their lives, although the ultimate winners will definitely those who did hold when BTC was under $1000, they are the real winners.
Well anyone that invested in bitcoin before it reached 1k is without a doubt a massive winner but even if you invested below the 10k you can be a big winner as long as you invested a decent amount of money, if you invested your life savings you could have easily get 4x or 5x of your capital in a matter of months, so a person like that could have accelerated his retirement at least a decade if he was smart and if the amount he invested was large he could even retire now.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on January 23, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it?
The simple answer is, anyone who invested in bitcoin in the past few years before the market started its rally. The reason for the big rally was supported by institutional investors and there will be a time when they will book their profit and once that happens the entire market will crash as some of these institutional investors have huge amount of coins.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: pixie85 on January 24, 2021, 06:10:45 PM
You're talking like it's all over OP, but it's not. I'll give it about 90% probability that it's not yet a reversal into a bear market and that we will see a continuation of this bull run later this year. We are where we were at 3000 dollars in 2017. Compare these two events on the chart and you'll see how similar they are.

Those who benefit the most are always people who catch the top and sell but how many are there? 1% of all investors? The second to benefit are holders.
I don't think that the current bull run will continue later this year, I might have to disagree with you. What I see on the market right now, is that we are heading on a bear market and later to be on the price correction. We might not reach the ATH that happened weeks ago.
Also, If you compare the bull run that happened to 2017 and this year, you'll see a lot of difference. Referring the bear market of bitcoin's price of 3000 to today's dump is kinda ridiculous. We haven't seen the bear market yet and we are about face it soon.

Which indicators are you looking at? When it comes to TA a run up by over 100% followed by a 50% correction is a textbook bull market. The fact that we have so many differences between 2017 and now is exactly why we are not yet on our way to bear market, simply because there was no sharp run up followed by a sharp decline, but rather a slow sell off.

There's even more evidence to this in the wallets that sold. All the big institutional investors continued to hold. It's the individual traders who sold and this is again the opposite of a bear market.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Emitdama on January 26, 2021, 08:16:24 AM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
The more money you invest, the more profit you’re going to be taking when the price is up. So I would still say that institutions are making the most profit, although you have said that they haven’t sold their coins, well yes they have not sold their coins but they still have the most profit especially those of them that bought huge amounts before the price got seriously bullish, I know very well that some of them have invested before $20,000. The price has reached 40,000 USD before dropping and it’s now at 31k, so these people still have the most profit.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Josefjix on January 26, 2021, 08:41:22 AM
Truly, the institutions should be given the medal for the pump of 2020; they came, capitalised on a thriving market, held a bunch of it and began spreading it across their sectors which brought in positive investors and much needed use case. On the other hand, everyone who was at profit could be called "The winner" provided there is something to be proud of from the whole pump, remember it is a decentralized network everyone could be happy differently with the whole wave of the year.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Phanditha Echevarria on January 26, 2021, 09:01:45 AM
institutions and whales


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Asuspawer09 on January 26, 2021, 09:06:09 AM
I guess you could still call your self a winner as long as your making a profit or your buying low and then selling on high, at that point, you're always going to make a profit for sure, technically you don't lose money even if the bitcoin market price continues to pump and you already sell and cash out your money.

It was just a different strategy in trading on how you're going to play it, but obviously, you will gain more if you invested long enough for the long term waiting for the right time to cash out probably the one who buy around 3k$ and sell at 40k$ since they predict when the pump and correction in the market will happen. They were all winners as well as the holders of bitcoin until mow aiming and believing the bitcoin will be a lot more valuable in the coming years.



Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Phanditha Echevarria on January 26, 2021, 09:29:53 AM
For me, the Ultimate winner of the bitcoin pump is the bitcoin hodler  or trader who was able to take profit during the bull run and re position himself/herself trading or investment strategy to be able to take up and refill from the bears market.
I wish I had bought bitcoin when it's cheap


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: 3meek on January 26, 2021, 09:57:55 AM
I would call those people who bought bitcoin when it was cheaper than 20K in 2017 winners... Even those who bought at 20K and didn't sell in a panic are also winners!
This by the way is a great example that HOLD is the best strategy! ;)


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Swopon on January 26, 2021, 10:07:08 AM
Those who bought BTC at a lower price and hold it till it becomes a blast can get the benefit of the BTC pump. Many companies that collect more btc when dealing crashed and sell it when the market getting hire.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: yohananaomi on January 26, 2021, 10:43:49 AM
Those who bought BTC at a lower price and hold it till it becomes a blast can get the benefit of the BTC pump. Many companies that collect more btc when dealing crashed and sell it when the market getting hire.

It is clear that when since 2018 bitcoin has continued to fall and there is no sign of going up and being stable, that's when those who buy bitcoin have certainly enjoyed the benefits of last year's events until now. because the price at that time was low and worth buying and keeping.

if I may be the same as your belief that big companies and traders who can certainly maintain their bitcoin. For others, I am not sure that I can withstand the situation. at the beginning of last year when the pandemic occurred and we can be sure that they will sell for more important needs during the pandemic. there must be some who have no impact and he is some very lucky person.

but there is still a long time to go and there is no need to rush to sell it. Renewable ATH will happen again this year.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: kiki8899 on January 26, 2021, 11:37:28 AM
If bitcoin continues to consolidate at this level, next week we expect the next wave of pump of altcoins


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: gurunanakji777 on January 26, 2021, 03:07:07 PM
I believe this time whale takes the maximum benefit even I would say BTC is still bullish so there is a chance for normal traders also who bought BTC can earn good profit. Traders also earn profit but Institutions and whales took the maximum profit. We can not say Institution has cashed out or not but I believe they still hold BTC as the momentum of BTC is still bullish. This time BTC moves very quickly so small traders are not the winner of the Bitcoin pump.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: CODE200 on January 26, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Depends on the investor or trader. If an individual is an investor, it will depend to his investments. Unlike on daily trading wherein most of the tokens they have engaged tmeselves into, had an increase with their value which is more likely showing bigger profit especially when the market price of cryptos began to increase. On investors perspective, ofcourse they do more likely earned from what happened but only those who invested bigtime are the ones who prosper the last ATH more than daily traders who are earning a few and the only thing which makes it a greater opportunity if you have that capital.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Serious475 on January 26, 2021, 03:49:43 PM
I think one of those are the people who trust bitcoin I know some of them to think this is one of their fullest regret in their lives unexpectedly the price of the bitcoin pumps most of the rumors are just exceed the previous all the time and didn't expect it will come up over 40k. If you are mentally weak enough for sure you already sold your BTC when it reaches 10-15k and to those who people who held more than a year I would like to congratulate you, this is your new Lamborghini or a Bugatti.

I think the winner of this time is the long term trading holding a lot of year's it's a challenge to make a profit. Of course, the short-term trading rides the market volatility.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: zeingrind777 on January 26, 2021, 05:26:57 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?
The ones who get big profits when buying at low prices and selling at high prices are the winners. Large institutions and companies that caused a bull run in bitcoin value. So those holders who bought when the price of BTC fell heavily are the winners of the day because they made huge profits.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: In the silence on January 26, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

If you are in profit with the current huge market pump then you can be called as a winner and also I think all of us crypto user is the winner to in different way but the one who really got benefited on it is the whales since they are the one who buy a huge volume of bitcoins and if buy at the current rate from the past and hold it for sure they are earning big gains up till now.
Exactly! Whales that has been hodling bitcoin from the start before it blooms are the winners. Also, for those who still had their bitcoin which they bought literally on a lower price since it's not that popular within that timeline are also considered as winner. It's quite right that we can consider crypto users as winners in different way and aspects as long as they gain profits from bitcoin's huge success.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Silberman on January 29, 2021, 10:31:19 PM
I believe this time whale takes the maximum benefit even I would say BTC is still bullish so there is a chance for normal traders also who bought BTC can earn good profit. Traders also earn profit but Institutions and whales took the maximum profit. We can not say Institution has cashed out or not but I believe they still hold BTC as the momentum of BTC is still bullish. This time BTC moves very quickly so small traders are not the winner of the Bitcoin pump.
The whales are always big winners not only because they are whales but also because they are the only kind of investor that is powerful enough to manipulate the markets on their own, so they have a huge advantage over people like us, however I think that we all won with the current increase in the price of bitcoin, bitcoin is once again garnering world attention and while this means governments will try to impose new regulations at the same time this means more people will come to the market and this is always a good thing.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: CarnagexD on January 29, 2021, 10:46:50 PM
Everyone who bought bitcoin, even those who bought a little bit late in the bullrun benefitted, may not be financially with the increase in profits and all, but in some way or another, like how it allowed people to take advantage of bitcoin's security. So even if you did not get that much from the bull run because you came in late to the party, rest assured that as long as you hodl, you will gain bigger benefits from it.
I think one of those are the people who trust bitcoin I know some of them to think this is one of their fullest regret in their lives unexpectedly the price of the bitcoin pumps most of the rumors are just exceed the previous all the time and didn't expect it will come up over 40k. If you are mentally weak enough for sure you already sold your BTC when it reaches 10-15k and to those who people who held more than a year I would like to congratulate you, this is your new Lamborghini or a Bugatti.

I think the winner of this time is the long term trading holding a lot of year's it's a challenge to make a profit. Of course, the short-term trading rides the market volatility.
It's better to be late than never, advose them to buy even at this moment instead of not buying at all and missing out yet again on future ATHs, that way they can hodl as much without the worry of FOMO


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Wawa2013 on January 29, 2021, 10:46:58 PM
For me the ultimate winner is whales who manage to buy Bitcoin in large quantities when the price is dumped. And able to hold until Bitcoin
reaches the ATH price this year, then take profit. Surely the amount of profit generated can be very large. In my opinion, ordinary traders will
find it difficult to become the ultimate winner, because they do not have large capital. For this year the Institution will be the ultimate winner,
if they are able to hold Bitcoin to reach a price of $ 100k.


Title: Re: Who is the ultimate winner of Bitcoin pump?
Post by: Hippocrypto on January 29, 2021, 10:51:46 PM
If you look back at 2017 pump it was average users like us who got the benefit of bull run as Bitcoin was easily affordable before the bullrun hence a good portion of users had bitcoin in their portfolio as there were not that much altcoins available in the market. But this year who has gained more ? Is it average users or else institutions and traders who made most of it? I think it's trader's who bought at cheap and sold at high because institutions are yet to cashoutm what do you all think?

Traders partly contributes to the pumps happen with bitcoin, but most of these folks only ride with trending waves. Honestly I appreciated those long term holders and investors who've been diligent in controlling themselves against panic. It's not an easy determination to wait for such a long time, until such time bitcoin achieved the most profitable value. Looking back since 2017, I believed that these people kepts accumulating their asset and sacrificed those personal wants just to fulfill their dreams. They're really an ultimate winner because of faith and courage in every challenges.