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hello guys im very poor of knowledge about bitcoin but is there anything different happening rn? i have a 36.106 sat/B transaction that is about to hit 72 hours old unconfirmed, should i be worried?
 

The mempool has been so filled with transactions not yet processed while many of the transactions pay much higher fee than yours which will first be confirmed before low fee transactions, but as the mempool is getting less busy with many transaction, your transaction will be process and confirmed, you should not panic at all but patient. Or can you do RBF to pump the fee to around 50 sat/byte for fast time for it to confirm, that will be a good idea.

thanks for your reply friend, i'll keep patient here since i dont have access to the payer's wallet im not able to boost that fee

Nothing to be worried if you are not in hurry to get the tx confirmed.

Use this site: https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC,24h

Scrol down and on the third graph when you mouse hover anywhere on the graph you see ranges of numbers. For example consider the image below:

https://i.imgur.com/zZNM0Ty.png

On the image, left coloumn is Sat/B, in your case 36.106 sat/B. Right coloumn is total tx size for the specific sat/B. On the right coloumn when size is less than zero - you can assume that you need that sat/B to get the tx confirmed to the next block. On the image for next block the minimum sat/B will be 70+.

Mempool is very very congested or your tx with 36.106 sat/B would get confirmed long ago. Maybe you will get luck in the next few hours.

Post the TXID so we can check if it's already confirmed. Use viabtc accelerator, you might be lucky to confirm it using it.

You have more than 10 sats which is enough for you to accelerate it if you are lucky.

Your transaction is in queue since you only use low fees for your transaction in btc transaction who uses high fees are in most priority that is the nature of btc network it doesn't care about who is the first one to transact it only care to the one who pays more fees and it will process immediately go to this site so that in your next transaction you now have an idea what fees to use: https://mempool.space/    

very thankful for you guys attention, i was struggling to find charts with those kinds of info Royse
the tx for my situation is 878cf574d357d8314a2217673dd7ccb2563e1763b2493b73565250751f312ac9
i didnt think it would take so long for it to confirm since the fee in usd was very high (~40usd)

Are you running any service or something? The address 1G3uJFKqDK8tSUs83Z2eBr69PBFAvcqfVC has so many outputs since 15th and all with average tx fees. If you could wait for mempool to be cleared a bit (it may take time) and when the sat/B is very low like 2 or 3 sat/B then you can easily spend less.

However for a tx of $13k, 40 USD is still a less fees in the real world.

some dude bought my gold in an online game haha the only address in the list that belongs to me is 3Jsg9dT9PJPSUFRBhYKgP6RLpZmmmxNxJH
i wish i had ever been close to 13k usd anyways hehe
does this ammount of inputs and outputs affects how long the tx will be confirmed? i dont understand why so many

Welcome in Bitcoin if this is your first time. It seems he sent you the coins from a service wallet. If this was an exchange then the tx fees would have been high and you would get the coins already confirmed in your wallet. Anyway, never mind. All looks good.

I am not sure how long it will take, right now it needs 50+ Sat/B. Let's hope it won't be long.

Are you in a noncastadial wallet of castadial wallet like in an Exchange or any other online wallet? Hopefully you will learn the secuirity related things as you explore the bitcoin world.

The problem is not there. I've seen in the last 12h at least one block with 30-ish fees.

The problem is that the transaction has 2 unconfirmed parents (45187fd8c235887fcf7afe93985c727d8dd2238be2a83817d681216d4fda37f8 = 10 sat/vbyte, dbea9c449d4ec4b3719cece14ea515430ea14f7f68ac757b07de98aa7965068f = 5.9 sat/vbyte) and both of them has at least one unconfirmed parents (659abc5c3cf1fa765720d68518767a0815df4859ff1369a89a9b13d65b36c0e0 = 10 sat/vbyte, +3 more) ... I went to a good number of levels back and I keep finding unconfirmed parents.
So it's going to take a good while until these will get confirmed, if ever.

i just found out that my wallet is custodial since i had never heard that therm i had to search a little, but its one of the few trustful sites that offers such a service in my country. What i could notice is that the payer alleged that he is not able to boost that fee even after i offered him some money but now with the mempool space site i could find that the tx allows RBF...

oh god, i saw a few unconfirmed transactions while inspecting this wallet too, im starting to get worried, but wouldnt the whole thing get mined if the one with a "decent" sat/b fee were found by a miner?

You've seen the numbers. They mean that "your" 36 sat/vbyte tx pays for those 5.9 - 10 sat/vbyte transactions too.
It's difficult to calculate all those ramifications, but I would not expect to see the transaction confirmed until the fees drop to 10 sat/vbyte or even less.

You are scared and it's normal. This should be a lesson for you: if the money is transferred, it means nothing, it has to also be confirmed. Only then you can say that you have received the money.
Now the situation is indeed stressful, since if the seller is a scammer and somewhere on that path he has a RBF transaction, he may replace that, break the chain and leave you unpaid. Or if the fees rise for too long the transactions will get dropped and again leave you unpaid.
On the other hand, if all goes well and Bitcoin's price won't have too big fluctuations today, the mempool could clear up and confirm your transaction.

You better need a noncustadial wallet. Electrum is a good option.

Official site: https://electrum.org/#download
Also make sure to verify the file to avoid installing fake wallet software: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-verify-your-electrum-download/

I did not check those parent transactions and it seems this 5.9 sat/B will take ages to get confirmed means all the child transactions are useless with whatever higher fee they have. Hopefully howjow2 wil not have bitter experience.

@howjow2, have you shipped the gold you sold yet? If not then wait until you get at least one confirmation. It's safer.

apparently i got scammed also with those dudes that would receive 3k+ usd in their wallets.
but what i really cant understand here is why in my wallet it says unconfirmed and not canceled, so does it when i open the tx.
but when i open the tx the payer sent me, it says payment was canceled
like here: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/440c29e4a9f28244df689e57e59c5e82f93fbcacf83e87d331ea76705a0b325d
i found two other people complaining about the same guy after some research, but we are stuck in the confusion its just a messed up transaction taking long or a canceled RBF since he was indeed using RBF.

not confirmed yet means it can still be canceled right? better just cancel and do the transaction on another day, it could be the network is bad.

The transaction 878cf574d357d8314a2217673dd7ccb2563e1763b2493b73565250751f312ac9 is currently still valid, which is why it still say "unconfirmed" in your wallet. It is possible that he is still trying to scam another recipient of one of the outputs in that transaction before he cancels it.

Looking through the various chains of unconfirmed parents, in total the fee rate is sitting around 17 sats/vbyte, which puts the chain of transactions around 20 MB from the tip and highly unlikely to confirm any time soon. Also, since the transaction he uses to pay you is flagged as RBF, he has loads of time, at least a few days, in which to replace it and send the funds back to himself.

Try to look and check on mempool.space (http://mempool.space) .This is the place where i do always check when it comes fees recommendation and network condition.
You would able to see about those blocks that are being prioritized basing off on amount of fees that set. If your transaction does have 36 sats/byte
then expect it would be getting a confirmation in next 20 minutes.

Nailed it. Only way now to rush all of these is for the guy sending you the transaction to make sure he uses his next one linked similarly to pay for all his previous ones. CPFP.

The only thing I'd say here is he does also have a history going farther back of confirmed transactions all on more or less small but not unusually small sat/byte fees so he's probably just happy to wait the mempool slug out, while paying on from unconfirmed inputs. Probably what I'd do since I trust the network that much;)

I'd just wait it out and ship once confirmed.

Honestly im quite pessimist atm, even though he had a history of low fee transactios, like mentioned, i did not see any that got canceled, do they get cleared? and if any of you guys are curious in the case, we are lacking contact from the payer rn also im in contact with at least other 3 guys involved in the case, we are running a dispute on the gaming forum due to the fact the buyer was a very trusted guy who has been on the market for quite some time and has had a history with high ammount trades,  apparently what happened this time is that even though my ammount wasnt that high, a few other dudes handed him about 15k usd in "ingame currency" and he got ambitious. Anyways i'll just move on, lesson was learned at least, im extremely thankful for all the precious information you guys shared with me, its helping me to prove he is a bad person and wont be able to do business with anyone else in that forum!! 

Hihi, I've managed to sneak two of them into viabtc accelerator, but only 3 of those have a fee high enough to get accepted into, and for the third one I was too late.
And of course, they've mined two blocks just 20 minutes ago but let's see how the fee math changes after those two are getting confirmed.

I just hope I've grabebd the right one as I was in a rush seeing the clock at :58
659abc5c3cf1fa765720d68518767a0815df4859ff1369a89a9b13d65b36c0e0
3db676db2b6324276468595ada6a327a19f42f0edd423b07019d1f22b8ad26ee

wow sir!! that might be a light, both tx you posted got 2 confirmations already!!

Sorry I was away last two day. What is your update? The Transaction ID is still unconfirmed. Did you guys able to talk to the seller or already a dispute running?

I'm in the same predicament of unconfirmed tx. Mine is worse though because it has a very low transaction fee... which was the regular recommended price in the blockchain.com wallet at the time. The worst part is of course since it's a blockchain.com wallet, I can't do the RBF and the fee is soo low that ViaBTC won't accelerate the transaction...  I'm new to cryptocurrency but have done quite a few transactions and this is the first time I'm encountering this issue.

My transaction has been unconfirmed since 15th Feb...
txid eb8d25f15ff864c1cb58d093465adbc51459ddeae3ca2250e82c6cb3ff66544d

All I can do or started doing is trying to get it rebroadcasted at https://btcnitro.com/# every 6hrs

At this point, I don't know what else to do... I checked at https://pushtx.btc.com/ to see an estimate, to get it pushed up and it gave me an estimate of $210+ USD🙆😱. Any suggestions... I'm open to any suggestion at this point.

Not too low but it's only 20satoshi short to reach exactly 10sat/B for Viabtc's free accelerator, that's unfortunate.

Doing a CPFP will do.
If one of the two outputs is your change, all you have to do is to spend it with a relatively higher fee than the recommended.
Problem is your client, blockchain.com doesn't have "coin control" to be able to select inputs.

If you don't have other unspent transaction outputs (inputs) in your blockchain wallet, any new outbound transaction will be considered as CPFP because it will guarantee that the change of the "stuck txn" will be spent.

Alternatively, if your have other inputs, you can import the wallet's "recovery phrase" to Electrum and spend that transaction's change using these tutorials:

• Restore the backup phrase: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/restoring-your-standard-wallet-from-seed (https://bitcoinelectrum.com/restoring-your-standard-wallet-from-seed) (read note on step4)
• Use Coin control: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-spend-specific-utxos-in-electrum/ (https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-spend-specific-utxos-in-electrum/)

Please be careful with the recovery phrase, read the warnings. Compromising it will lead to loss of funds.

To add to nc50lc's reply above:

Your current transaction is 521 vbytes and pays 5,190 sats in fees. If you send your change output to another legacy address you control, this transaction will be in the region 192 vbytes, giving a total of 713 vbytes. Currently, to get confirmed quickly you need to pay around 40 sats/vbyte, which would be 28,520 sats in total. This means your CPFP transaction would need to pay 23,330 sats in total for the fee, which would be a rate of around 122 sats/vbyte.

Obviously this could all change at any time depending on what the mempool does.

If you don't have other unspent transaction outputs (inputs) in your blockchain wallet, any new outbound transaction will be considered as CPFP because it will guarantee that the change of the "stuck txn" will be spent.

If I understand you correctly.. Unspent - do you mean if I have funds in my blockchain.com wallet? And by (any new outbound transaction) do you mean other transactions out of my blockchain.com because since 15 Feb I sent two transactions from the same wallet to other external wallet and they were confirmed relatively quickly. I was hoping those transactions will trigger something to make the unconfirmed transactions be confirmed... or Am I getting it totally wrong..?

Alternatively, if your have other inputs, you can import the wallet's "recovery phrase" to Electrum and spend that transaction's change using these tutorials:

• Restore the backup phrase: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/restoring-your-standard-wallet-from-seed (https://bitcoinelectrum.com/restoring-your-standard-wallet-from-seed) (read note on step4)
• Use Coin control: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-spend-specific-utxos-in-electrum/ (https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-spend-specific-utxos-in-electrum/)

I might have to try this out... I really appreciate your help thank you so much.

Okay, since the two transaction after the stuck one were already confirmed, then it's change must have been left unspent by the wallet, those didn't affected the stuck transaction at all.
Because if its change was used, the transaction that spent it must be mined together in a single block (at the same time).

In the "coin control" step, you must select the change of the stuck transaction because if the wrong coin was spent, it won't be considered as CPFP.
To check the change, find the 'stuck' transaction in the history tab and take note of the details specially the txid and the address which will be displayed as "output point" and "address" in the 'Coins' tab.

Just a heads up, ViaBTC has mined this tx about one hour ago. It has 10 confirmations now.
So after all we have a happy ending :)

There is no need to use "Coin Control" feature. It may be difficult for a newbie.
The easiest way to implement CPFP method in electrum is to right-click on the transaction and select "Child pays for parent".

https://i.imgur.com/RRxfI4o.jpg

For some reason, it wont appear in the "sender" Electrum even if one of the outputs belongs to that wallet, tested in testnet Electrum v4.0.9.
So if it doesn't appear at his end, he must use coin control.

Wasn't the transaction you made for testing RBF-enabled?

If the transaction has been flagged as RBF, you won't see "CPFP" option in right-click menu and you will see "Increase fee" instead of that.
If the transaction hasn't been flagged as RBF, you should see "CPFP" option.

yes!!! finally hehe, i'll make sure my next deal in btc has a great fee talk involved haha

btw, would eth be a decent alternative for times when the network is clogged?

Thanks so much for everyone who stopped by here, i learned so much in this forum already!

That's it, so Electrum will automatically disable the feature when RBF is available, that's a well-thought feature.
Must be because it's not efficient to allow the sender to create another transaction to accelerate the one that can be RBF~ed.
I haven't tested that factor, thanks.

Anyways, the CPFP will only able to send to his own wallet, being able to use 'coin control' will allow him to use the coin for his next payments/transactions instead of sending back to himself.

In terms of dollars equivalent, yes for now.

Hey ya'll my transaction finally confirmed!!!

Thank you everyone... this forum has taught me so much... and I'll continue to learn... thank you, you're all legends!!

Hello, here is around 6 days, I bought some bitcoin, after they sent them, I did not receive anything because the transactions remain unconfirmed for 1 week.
In addition, only one of the two appears in the blockchain, one of the two seems to be in another blockchain (mempool)

Transaction number 1:
Here is the transaction (it appears in my wallet as unconfirmed):

https://blockstream.info/tx/6cdb98f9c86ef7902ee991d44e013307662086322dc41ee392584daac8b12d11
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/6cdb98f9c86ef7902ee991d44e013307662086322dc41ee392584daac8b12d11

transaction number 2:
this one (it doesn't even appear in my wallet):

https://blockstream.info/tx/b405185bc699d24a611cb25aeb3347159235c968bbb0d58a8c98cc1b96cd6ccf
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/b405185bc699d24a611cb25aeb3347159235c968bbb0d58a8c98cc1b96cd6ccf

The fees are + 0.0007 BTC (100.1 sat / vB) (around 25 €)

Can someone help me and find out where the problem is coming from.

What if there are minors, if you could unblock the situation: /

I need help guys, need to pay my friends/worker :S

The problem is: despite the very high fee rate of those two transactions, their parent transactions are both unconfirmed with very low fee rate.
So miners are considering them as "bundle" parent and child transactions, and the fee rate will be based from their total size and fee.

Your transaction: 6cdb98f9c86ef7902ee991d44e013307662086322dc41ee392584daac8b12d11 (https://blockstream.info/tx/6cdb98f9c86ef7902ee991d44e013307662086322dc41ee392584daac8b12d11) with 100.1 sat/vB fee rate has two inputs which are both unconfirmed, namely:
1. 0ba52bed104cea1075754f783867d423ae9510bd4d6fb3f3905aaf7e1862fd9d (https://blockstream.info/tx/0ba52bed104cea1075754f783867d423ae9510bd4d6fb3f3905aaf7e1862fd9d) @ 7.0 sat/vB.
2. fe682ab28ecdb3bc82498af0c7730e2fcb0cf8563c6fc88cc2367c16aa3624a0 (https://blockstream.info/tx/fe682ab28ecdb3bc82498af0c7730e2fcb0cf8563c6fc88cc2367c16aa3624a0) @ 10.0 sat/vB.

Both the transaction's sizes are too large and the fee rate too low for the child transaction to accelerate them effectively.
let's say that there are no unconfirmed transaction in the parents' inputs (I didn't checked because there are hundreds of them),
the total size of the batch would be: 699 vB + 27904 vB + 16106 vB = 44,709 vB
then the total fee would be: 70,000 sat + 195,860 sat + 161,530 = 427,390 sat fee; that's a total of 9.56sat/vB fee rate[/b].
Currently, 9-10sat/B is @ 20vMB from tip of mempools.

The other transaction may be missing from time to time because the parent's input parent's fee rate range is beyond the default maximum size of mempools.

Yeah, you are kind of stuck with the one due to the huge size of the unconfirmed parents. To boost the entire fee up to somewhere in the region of 40-50 sats/vbyte, you would need to do a CPFP and pay a total fee of around 1,500,000 sats, or 0.015 BTC. And as with nc50lc, that assumes no unconfirmed parents higher up. Realistically, you are just going to have to wait for the mempool to empty for this to be confirmed.

If you have a copy of the second transaction then you can rebroadcast it. If not, you'll need to ask the sender to rebroadcast it.

Why would he need a copy of the transaction?
There are websites that re-broadcast for free (although the name would suggest accelerate) and all you need to know is the tx ID.
Of course, I don't own any of them and I don't know how good they work, but I think that it was bitaccelerate.com I've used once in the past and it worked.

These rebroadcasting services can only rebroadcast a transaction from its transaction ID if they have the transaction in their mempool already. From searching for his second transaction, I cannot find it in any mempool. If he wants to broadcast it, he'll need a copy of of full transaction. You cannot broadcast a transaction from scratch using just the transaction ID.

This is obvious.


I thought that you talk about fe682ab28ecdb3bc82498af0c7730e2fcb0cf8563c6fc88cc2367c16aa3624a0
I've checked more and I guess that you were talking about b405185bc699d24a611cb25aeb3347159235c968bbb0d58a8c98cc1b96cd6ccf which indeed is rara avis.
But I can always rely on chain.so to find such transactions and again it doesn't disappoint  ;)

Is the hex tx from here enough for re-broadcasting it (https://sochain.com/api/v2/tx/BTC/b405185bc699d24a611cb25aeb3347159235c968bbb0d58a8c98cc1b96cd6ccf)?

Edit: I've re-broadcasted it, the hex tx worked with coinb.in

Well found. I also just rebroadcast it on blockchair.com, and it is showing up there currently.

Having a quick look at the parents, the issue with this transaction is the same as the other one. Although this transaction pays 151 sats/vbyte, I've found an unconfirmed parent with 907 inputs, which is 82,292 vbytes and only pays a fee of 3 sats/vbyte.

Whoever is making these transactions has picked a very bad time to try to consolidate their inputs.