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Title: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: Poker Player on May 17, 2021, 09:38:45 AM
Screenshot of the Bitcoin Discussion board

https://i.postimg.cc/v8qTmqP4/elon.jpg (https://postimg.cc/qgK4bLHr)

I could have red-flagged a couple more, considering that the recent dip can be attributed at least in part to Elon.



Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: Rizzrack on May 17, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
... considering that the recent dip can be attributed at least in part to Elon.

I think you pretty much answered that yourself  :D


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: LoyceV on May 17, 2021, 09:58:14 AM
As I wrote 3 days ago:
If you guys want to ignore the troll from that small battery car maker: why is he mentioned in all of the posts on this page?
Don't feed the troll!
Too many people care for the BS this billionaire troll posts on an unimportant website. And because so many people seem to care for no reason at all, all his BS turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Or as I also wrote:
Bitcoin doesn't care about that small car manufacturer.
I've seen FUD from so many different directions (China, bankers, governments, trolls), and every time people start dumping their Bitcoin. At the same time, other people buy their coins at a discount. FUD is meant to trigger stop losses and make people sell their coins.

I'd love to have a -Elon -Musk -Tesla filter on Bitcointalk, so I wouldn't even see this topic and wouldn't have posted here.



As for the topic title: Clearly :D
People shouldn't believe a multi-billionaire shares their interests.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: tranthidung on May 17, 2021, 10:08:00 AM
People on the forum have different main interests at different times. There are times the forum was flooded with topics about following aspects: merit-related, trust-related, Covid-19 and pandemic, US President election, China bans on crypto, etc.

Elon, Tesla topics will be tailed off soon because the crypto market will have other hotter topics.

Is it good to lock your topic?  :)


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: Poker Player on May 17, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
Is it good to lock your topic?  :)

I usually lock my topics, when I see there is no much to be added. I'm not going to do it yet but you can report it and let the moderators decide. Apart from that, the thread might die by itself (by nobody else replying).


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: dkbit98 on May 17, 2021, 10:39:36 AM
You can't really prevent creation of gazillion Elon Musk topics but this is destroying any real conversation and it's turning this forum into circus show.
One option is to ignore creators of this topics or maybe report some of them for duplicate topics and wait for moderators reaction.

I'd love to have a -Elon -Musk -Tesla filter on Bitcointalk, so I wouldn't even see this topic and wouldn't have posted here.
I wonder if suchmoon can add this optional feature to BPIP extension, this would be brilliant and I would use it not onlyfor Elon Musk but for other words and phrases.
He can than rename this extension to something better like BPIP Swiss knife :)


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: Rikafip on May 17, 2021, 10:55:04 AM
Crypto community in general is paying too much attention to Elon and his shenanigans so I am not surprised to see it here too, but I think that's the usual case on Bitcoin Discussion board, to talk about whatever is the hottest subject at the moment. So one day is Elon, another day is something else etc so business as usual I would say.


One option is to ignore creators of this topics or maybe report some of them for duplicate topics and wait for moderators reaction.
Bolded part should be done more often. If more people report duplicate topics, I am sure that mods will react and do something about it.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: shield132 on May 17, 2021, 11:12:41 AM
It's really a shame for the crypto community. It's really funny how this man "uses" the highest part of the community the way he wishes. He pumps prises, then dumps. He manages prices the way he wants. It means that Elon has a huge influence on people and they blindly follow the Elon Scam.

Oh, I loved the way cryptocurrencies were rising in 2017, there was no Elon, only healthy and meaningful rise but now? I don't want to trade in such crypto market. Who could imagine that Doge would rise so significantly, who? I believe this man can make stone valuable if he wants, it's just a psychological factor.

Billionaire making billions on dumbs and people still get wet on him, hahaha...


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: LoyceV on May 17, 2021, 11:27:20 AM
He pumps prises, then dumps. He manages prices the way he wants. It means that Elon has a huge influence on people and they blindly follow the Elon Scam.
This sounds like work for the SEC, but they're usually quite slow. So if anything's going to happen, it'll be months from now.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: suchmoon on May 17, 2021, 12:49:38 PM
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Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?

The amazing part of this is how it wasn't a problem at all when Saint Elon was being praised just a few weeks ago.

Posts mentioning "elon" or "musk" by month:

Code:
January    996
February  4052
March     1715
April     2151
May       3781

Ok, there is a bit of an increase and the month is not over yet but it's not a huge change in giving him importance, just that it turned negative recently.

The guy is a fucking clown. He's getting away with all sorts of shit just because he's a Wall Street darling. Exactly the type of person bitcoiners should stay away from but somehow we thought he's gonna be good for Bitcoin. Just like those kids on Reddit thinking that by giving Wall Street their money (buying GME stock or some shit like that) they're rebelling against the system. SMH.

Edit: adjusted numbers to account for some duplicates and words like "felon" (LOL).


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: LoyceV on May 17, 2021, 01:38:05 PM
words like "felon" (LOL).
Patience :D


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: UserU on May 17, 2021, 04:02:14 PM
It's really a shame for the crypto community. It's really funny how this man "uses" the highest part of the community the way he wishes. He pumps prises, then dumps. He manages prices the way he wants. It means that Elon has a huge influence on people and they blindly follow the Elon Scam.

Oh, I loved the way cryptocurrencies were rising in 2017, there was no Elon, only healthy and meaningful rise but now? I don't want to trade in such crypto market. Who could imagine that Doge would rise so significantly, who? I believe this man can make stone valuable if he wants, it's just a psychological factor.

Billionaire making billions on dumbs and people still get wet on him, hahaha...

Both influencers and politicians share such similarities by knowing how to fool the masses through sweet talks ;D


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: AdolfinWolf on May 17, 2021, 07:17:29 PM
It's really a shame for the crypto community. It's really funny how this man "uses" the highest part of the community the way he wishes. He pumps prises, then dumps. He manages prices the way he wants. It means that Elon has a huge influence on people and they blindly follow the Elon Scam.

Oh, I loved the way cryptocurrencies were rising in 2017, there was no Elon, only healthy and meaningful rise but now? I don't want to trade in such crypto market. Who could imagine that Doge would rise so significantly, who? I believe this man can make stone valuable if he wants, it's just a psychological factor.

Billionaire making billions on dumbs and people still get wet on him, hahaha...
Truth to be told, it is not exactly a shame "for" the community, as it is "on" the community.

Truth is: the crypto community is as much of a herd as one could imagine, all trying to find their leader which can guide them to riches.

Elon is the perfect embodiment to this sentiment. I'd argue that it's not even his fault to leverage these kinds of opportunities when they present themselves (https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-makes-more-money-trading-bitcoin-than-selling-cars-11619517615).

Really, the "current" "crypto community" is nothing more than a bunch of braindead losers thinking that they can somehow get rich quick. I'm not sure if this has always been that way (certainly the 2017 bull run was that too), but this makes crypto even more sad that fiat, IMO. Sure, there are a couple smart developers here and there, but the average crypto user does not use crypto for it's inherent properties ("speed", "privacy"), but is merely a degenerate gambler coping with their poor financial situation. I myself am guilty of this.

Elon just plays into this sentiment in a rather bland and obvious manner, and I really just wonder how long it is going to take for people to realize that he is the poor definition of an antichrist.

On that note; I've come to the realization that perhaps it has always been that way -- and perhaps it is beneficial to adoption, but first and foremost, it's just really sad. At this point, 99% of coins work as a HYIP without the payout. A lottery. -- Everyone pools their fiat money in coins, the first ones to take their fiat back out before it starts crumbling are the winners, the rest will stay losers. -- this is crypto, and perhaps has always been crypto.

All coins are overvalued, based on nothing but pure speculation of the masses. It almost makes me want to just go back to fiat again. Sure, you can say that this is an inherent property of a currency, but really, it is not. I hate what bitcoin has become. Hodlers my ass. It has nothing to do with revolutionizing the way transactions are conducted. Zilch. It's the hypesquad all the way to the bank.


You know - it all makes sense though. Crypto is this sort of opposition against the current financial system, and thus once mainstream it's followers will most likely be the losers under the current system. Though crypto is not an alternative. It's not even comparable. It's just their faux ticket to dreamland.

I don't know. All this commotion too; it just feels like crypto as a whole has been drenched in this loser-mentality "Oh noooo elon don't hurt my stonks!!!!!!!", but as I said, perhaps this is/was an inevitable property of crypto.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: LTU_btc on May 17, 2021, 07:30:44 PM
I think it's nothing surprising. It happens everywhere, not just on Bitcointalk. I'm not even talking about Twitter. Musk is probably hottest topic in crypto now, so, nothing surprising that every his action get so much attention. Same things with lot of topics about one hot subject happened here many times already.
It's normal thing how he manipulate market and I hate all this madness (despite that thanks to Musk I made nice money with DOGE), but it's not going to last forever. Patience.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 17, 2021, 09:13:27 PM
Elon, Tesla topics will be tailed off soon because the crypto market will have other hotter topics.
Yeah, that's pretty much what happens with these "hot" news stories.  Yes, there are probably way too many threads about Elon Musk/Tesla, but just give it a day or two and they'll start getting buried by newer threads.

Given that bitcoin dropped massively since Musk shot off his mouth (and sold all that bitcoin), it's kind of an important topic of discussion--but we don't need 10 different threads dealing with the same stuff. 


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: shield132 on May 17, 2021, 09:51:20 PM
Elon is the perfect embodiment to this sentiment. I'd argue that it's not even his fault to leverage these kinds of opportunities when they present themselves (https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-makes-more-money-trading-bitcoin-than-selling-cars-11619517615).
It's just bad. Elon did a clever move to earn a lot of money, to be fair, it was one of the most clever step that I have seen recently. There is nothing as amazing when you can put money in coin and then "legally" push the price to skyrocket. I am amazed why other famous people missed such a great chance.
Elon's behavior is bad but the truth is truth, the root of the problem are people, not Elon. The sad fact that I see here is how people follow Elon, not Elon's actions.

Really, the "current" "crypto community" is nothing more than a bunch of braindead losers thinking that they can somehow get rich quick.
The early years were the sweetest ones. Crypto was really the crypto, after that, it got abused and turned into a serious business.

All coins are overvalued, based on nothing but pure speculation of the masses.
Agreed! The prices are insanely huge. Even 10x lower prices could perform well, for some coins - 100x lower if not more. Dogecoin worths 0.5 USD, haha, who could imagine :D I had tons of them years ago and that's because someone gifted or etc. In a world where dogecoin worths 0.5$, one thing is pretty clear, society has some serious problems.



Given that bitcoin dropped massively since Musk shot off his mouth (and sold all that bitcoin), it's kind of an important topic of discussion--but we don't need 10 different threads dealing with the same stuff.  
This dump at least showed that 1/3 of btc users were cognitively numb. Why 1/3? I guess they were Elon's followers.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: Frengki_cisco on May 18, 2021, 03:20:48 AM
Elon<>first name<>Musk is now in praise:>now he's a [god] curse, thanks to the 1,500 Btc in his pocket.

Currently<>suppose; Elon tweeted<>please clean my toilet<>I'll give you 2 Btc, I guarantee thousands of people will do it.



In case<>the topic about Elon seems annoying on a particular board<>is actually easy to get rid of.<Mod You only need to press the delete button, everything is in order <the topic about Elon is guaranteed to be out of sight and clean, that's when people will talk about Bitcoin again.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: xtraelv on May 18, 2021, 05:10:55 AM
https://i.imgur.com/MX7QTA1.png

All I have to say about it.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: virasog on May 18, 2021, 01:35:32 PM
Elon Musk has 54 million followers in twitter. He is the CEO of Tesla and CTO / chief designer of SpaceX. He is one of the richest person with around 150 billion USD net worth. So you can't say that he isn't important ?
We may differ with his opinion about the cryptocurrencies but you cannot take away the importance and success which he had gained in all these years.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: DireWolfM14 on May 18, 2021, 02:18:26 PM
I'd love to have a -Elon -Musk -Tesla filter on Bitcointalk, so I wouldn't even see this topic and wouldn't have posted here.

Unfortunately, I think that would be a bad idea.  As much as I would like the pump-and-dump scammer to STFU, ignoring him could be more damaging than putting up with the hype.  Lets face it; he has influence and until the cryptoverse learns to ignore him, that's not going away.


The guy is a fucking clown.

He's more than that, he's a fucking scammer.

Tesla is a company run on fear.  They employ a lot of people who work in a similar manufacturing environment as I do.  Being a local company I've had interactions with engineers who work for them, and although they are paid a handsome salary, they are also expected to work 60 to 70 hours a week.  Those who work for him will refer to him as an "opportunist."  I don't thing the word "opportunist" automatically has bad connotations, but ethics should be considered for every oportunity.

He's getting away with all sorts of shit just because he's a Wall Street darling.

Ironically he said some shit on Twatter to pump Tesla stock about year and half ago, and the feds slapped him with a $20m fine.  So now that he's learned not to fuck with Wall Street, he decided to try his influence on meme coins.

Edit: adjusted numbers to account for some duplicates and words like "felon" (LOL).

Shit, I already used the word "irony" in this post.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: TopTort777 on May 18, 2021, 02:35:25 PM
Elanomania. Now users create identical topics to complain how bad Elon Musk was. Previously there topics how cool Musk is and how he pumps dogecoin. But before that there were "Musk/Bitcoin" from every corner of the forum.

Too much attention to his persona. Lets make another forum rank as "Musk" for having most activity/merit. Or start new avatar movement, like we had with baseball hats.

I'd love to have a -Elon -Musk -Tesla filter on Bitcointalk, so I wouldn't even see this topic and wouldn't have posted here.

There is an extension to Chrome called Ncago, it replaces all picture on the page with random Nicolas Cage pictures. I think something similar can be created with forum scripts to replace Elon Musk with something funny.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: mprep on May 18, 2021, 03:03:54 PM
I'd love to have a -Elon -Musk -Tesla filter on Bitcointalk, so I wouldn't even see this topic and wouldn't have posted here
You're not the only one (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338075.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338075.0)). And while AFAIK there ain't word filters filters on Bitcointalk, here's something I whipped up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338075.msg57031368#msg57031368 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338075.msg57031368#msg57031368) (you'll need a userscript extension like Tampermonkey to install it though).


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: LoyceV on May 18, 2021, 06:02:57 PM
Lets face it; he has influence and until the cryptoverse learns to ignore him, that's not going away.
It reminds me of the ch-troll on Bitcointalk: by the time some users have put him on ignore, other users join the conversatino and try to talk sense into them. By the time they give up, there's someone else again.
Twitter users aren't known for their independent thinking :P There are just too many of them to stop feeding trolls.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: actmyname on May 18, 2021, 07:06:21 PM
Twitter users aren't known for their independent thinking :P There are just too many of them to stop feeding trolls.
And don't forget - oh no ! - that every day, more people are born to become future troll caretakers! The cycle never ends: such is the fate of prey, for humans are merely the vessels of attention to be feasted upon by the trolls.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: Delightcrypto1 on May 20, 2021, 04:11:17 PM
Elon musk is all over the internet due to his latest dump of bitcoin as a fact that tesla will not longer accept bitcoin as medium of payment and due to his calculative statistical method of dumping one cryptocurrency to another. I think this whole trending of him in almost all the topic will soon fade out believing bitcoin and other cryptocurrency price will attain their standardization again and even more.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: stompix on May 20, 2021, 06:22:22 PM
Really, the "current" "crypto community" is nothing more than a bunch of braindead losers thinking that they can somehow get rich quick. I'm not sure if this has always been that way (certainly the 2017 bull run was that too), but this makes crypto even more sad that fiat, IMO. Sure, there are a couple smart developers here and there, but the average crypto user does not use crypto for it's inherent properties ("speed", "privacy"), but is merely a degenerate gambler coping with their poor financial situation.

Well, we went mainstream!
And when you go mainstream, you start encountering all kinds of people, and it's highly likely that most of the newcomers would not be the same as the previous community, from ideals to ideas, from motives to actions.

Maybe we have grown into the meme "I was <> before it was cool" way too fast or we're simply demoralized as we see unwanted changes are around us, but the way things are, it's going to get worse before it gets better. Maybe this move from Saint Elon was a warning, forget about 51% attacks, how about a 55 million Twitter followers attack, after all, Bitcoin is based on trust, when that fades so does the coin. How long and how high can we go with only the trust of those we share our own vision and not with this mainstream everyone was waiting for?

Wonder how this will end but I'm starting to think that the people who have done well for themselves in the fiat world will do so in crypto, the ones that got screwed in that system will pay twice the price here, it's not about changing systems or masters, it's about who we have for dinner!

Just like those kids on Reddit thinking that by giving Wall Street their money (buying GME stock or some shit like that) they're rebelling against the system. SMH.

I wonder how much we've killed the banks with billions in wire transfers to and from exchanges.  :D




Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: mediaBuzz on May 21, 2021, 09:25:43 PM
Because people are dumb. Not only this forum folks but everyone who deals with crypto. Some say now it's not Elon himself posting these tweets, some third parties are controlling his Twitter account.

Latest "call" was 4 days ago if I'm not wrong. Starbase logo (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1394584856386961411?s=20) was tweeted and the Starbase token skyrocketed after 10 minutes.

https://i.imgur.com/83KbGeG.png

This keeps happening despite the big hate he received after dumping tesla bitcoins. One thing is for sure, this guy isn't a simple businessman or an engineer like Steve Jobs or Bill, he has different motives.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: UserU on May 22, 2021, 06:28:20 AM
The simple answer to this is that people need to write about the reason why bitcoin is dumping and majority of us thinks it is because of Elon Musk. That's the main reason why we see a lot of Elon Musk and Tesla posts everywhere in the forum. What i don't like is about the repetitions of the same topics but with different words.

Alot of them especially newbies tend to follow influencers/ politicians for easy buck and then put the blame on them when things go south.

So to those saying that crypto prices are not easily influenced/ swayed are dead wrong.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on May 22, 2021, 11:41:07 AM
To be frank, it's not even what we do here that pushes Elon Musk's influence or feeds his perceived trolling behaviour. It goes beyond this forum. There are much more many people who aren't on this forum (who may not even have heard about this forum) that trust and take everything Elon says hook, line and sinker. Of course, everyone likes to listen to someone of influence. Elon is a man of influence, whether we admit it or not. To be the wealthiest man on the globe is not an easy achievement in a world where riches is more valuable than good name. In the current day happenings, not many will want to listen to a Bill Gates over an Elon Musk. Power has changed hands and quite understandably, people will want to queue behind he who has the magic wand. So, I don't think it's out of place talking about Elon. It's his time. Let him enjoy the moment.


Title: Re: Don't you think some people in the forum are giving too much importance to Elon?
Post by: mediaBuzz on May 22, 2021, 02:12:05 PM
The simple answer to this is that people need to write about the reason why bitcoin is dumping and majority of us thinks it is because of Elon Musk. That's the main reason why we see a lot of Elon Musk and Tesla posts everywhere in the forum. What i don't like is about the repetitions of the same topics but with different words.

Alot of them especially newbies tend to follow influencers/ politicians for easy buck and then put the blame on them when things go south.

So to those saying that crypto prices are not easily influenced/ swayed are dead wrong.
The crowd doesn't tend to follow influencers but follows the hype. It's not about Elon now. It's about the hype that his tweet causes. One thinks everyone is crazy to buy everything Elon seems to be promoting and tries to make a quick buck on these people's insanity not realizing he is being one of them. At the end of the day, Elon is playing with fire.