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I'm planning to buy a new car this summer. Not very sure of what I'm going to get, but I have no doubt about what I'm not going to get. I'm not going to get a Tesla. Never. Wouldn't even accept a test drive.

Hey, BTC's falling hard this week, and the guy who started the fall is Elon Musk, Tesla's manager. There's just no way I'm going to spend my money with the guy who's destroying my savings.

All bitcoiners should blacklist Tesla cars or any product or service coming from a company owned by Mr.Musk.

I will never buy a Tesla car


I'll buy one if I can get it cheap to sell it for a big profit.


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I wouldn't say like that, if you like the Tesla car then go and get it or just buy anything you wanted. Tesla is actually a good electric car at the moment so its perfect since its combined of safety and performance with affordable price.

You should be always ready to face such risks if you are an investor.

Well, that doesn't happen very often to be able to sell a used car and make a profit... I've done it a few times though, but I won't even try with a Tesla.

Are you either able to turn this into a poll "given what's happened, would you buy a Tesla?" Or, start a new thread with a poll?

Regarding your statement, I think you should Hodl until the price returns to where it was a month ago then buy two Teslas.

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I'll wait till there is an alternative a d cheaper EV compare to Tesla. Theres actually EV made in China, not sure if its distributed elsewhere.  For city travel, I think it will work just to help improve environment prevent more carbon.

If I get richer, I'd buy lambo. Seem fit  for a rich bitcoiner. Having a lambo means easy to also hook with girls 😄

The only reason you don't like tesla is because of some personal issues with regards to the effect in your personal savings/holdings?.

I'm expecting for you to state like some kind of identity theft kind of thing or the self-driving might not work for you.

And I don't understand the connection because elon musk is the reasons why it reach the current ATH but before that, 35-40 is the normal price for btc. So its either you go with the flow and let the mass dictate your decision, or you just see that it is in the trend, and without knowing that there is great volality with regards to BTC, and it's just that elon musk has been a great factor in it right now.

top thinking price drop...
start thinking.. discount buying day

buy bitcoin. and when the price rises. sell the profit. and pretty much get a free tesla that cost you no fiat income
thank elon for a free car

Elon is saving me a lot of money in tx fees. 

Teslas are dope.  If you want to keep yourself from ever enjoying owning one because Elon decided to troll the crypto community, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.  You don't have to like the guy, but him being a troll seems like a questionable reason to never own one of his products.  You'd think in this community his trolling would be appreciated, as everyone here seems to love drama.  I guess it's less funny when you're the ones being trolled... 

I don't think Tesla or Musk will notice your absence. I mean - you can definitely vote with your wallet if you feel strongly about it but it won't change anything.

OTOH there are better and/or less expensive vehicles anyway... Tesla is the iPhone of cars. If you really need a car that does car things and not for showing off, it's very unlikely that you would pick a Tesla.

Anyone stupid enough to think there are better and/or less expensive vehicles than a Tesla or thinks other vehicles can do what theirs can, you are vastly uninformed, ignorant, and probably the type of person who is extremely jealous of others...

• Fully loaded Tesla Cybertruck: $80,000
• Fully loaded Rivian R1T: $98,000
• Fully loaded Ford F-150 Lightning: $90,500
• Fully loaded Hummer EV: $112,600

Guess which car is the fastest, has the longest range, is bulletproof, has the largest charging network, can drive itself, is the cheapest and has the best interface?  Ya, not even a comparison.  You'd have to be an absolute moron to think there are cheaper/better vehicles out there.  Not only is that a blatant lie based on jealously and ignorance, no other car can even do what Tesla's Cybertruck can, so in reality there isn't even competition for it.  Nothing compares.  Add in bulletproofing for those other vehicles, additional batteries to match Tesla's range, additional motors to match it's speed, the cost of building out a better charging network, and these cars would easily be 2 or 3 times the price of the Cybertruck...

You guys can buy your vehicles based on your emotions and spread lies about others if you want.  God help you if your car runs into mine though...  Your emotions and fiberglass body might tell a different story about what is "better" when it meets a several thousand pound block of cold rolled steel.

EDIT: When you get into the non-fully loaded options, Tesla shines even more by absolutely destroying the competition on price as well as the other metrics listed.  I was being generous using the fully loaded models...  Imagine what kind of a snowflake pansy you'd have to be to not want a bulletproof truck or think of it as a bad thing.  LOL.  As for the cars, obviously they're so far ahead of what else is available that it isn't even worth making the comparison to other electrics and if you're still buying combustion engine powered vehicles then I've got an old tube television to sell you that you're gonna love.

Ouch, touched a nerve, didn't it? It sounds like you're the one with emotions towards Tesla.

There are vehicles other than "fully loaded" ones, there are vehicles other than EVs, there are vehicles other than pickup trucks, and not everyone is a wannabe gangster needing a bulletproof one.

I'm stupid enough, I guess.

Chevy, Nissan and Hyundi all have less expensive electric vehicles than the Tesla model 3 and the tesla Cybertruck hasn't even started production yet.  It could end up being very successful and the best option if you're looking for a $80k Pickup Truck, or it could end up being flop.  It's impossible to know at this point.  

There are also a bunch of high end EVs in the 75k-150k range taking pre orders now for late 2021/2022: Jaguar, Mercedes, Audi, Porche...it will be interesting to see how things play out.  

Like that's going to happen, people are going to be buying Tesla for the status you know and I don't think that even if all the people in this forum were to boycott Tesla, we will still be outnumbered by a large margin of people that wants to buy one.

You'll probably find that Tesla's owner was probably hoping to tap into the perceived cashed up market of the crypto investor by massaging their egos (and pushing up the price of Bitcoin and DOGE in the process....)

But when the sales didn't happen Tesla's owner turned on the crypto community lashing out with more ranting, rambling and borderline psychosis...

What's even goin to happen lmao.

And Tesla is not for the "STATUS" it is for the convenience, the practicality, and modernity of the product.

I've remember a post by a twitter guy too but can't remember the exact name. He said that he's about to buy a Tesla car but instead of buying it, he bought the BTC dip.
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I'll never buy any type of car I'm too poor.  But at least there is always room for me on the bus.  Or the train.  Or the plane. 

I won't buy Tesla for Bitcoin ever

Can exchange some worthless Dogecoin for it  ;D

You and I then won't be able to buy tesla cars because they are already too expensive. The flagship 2020 Model S sedan is priced around 70,000$ and other models cost much more. Only the rich person can afford these branded cars. Even if Elon Musk haven't tweeted, i would still not have bought tesla.

this is all nonsense. I don't think a few Bitcoiners can make some damages to Elon and Tesla because will not buy his car. Personally, I have never even considered such a possibility, however, I have more confidence in a manufacturer that has been in the industry for a long time.

btw. Now we have speculation that China's ban Bitcoin & cryptocurrencies, and this caused a new downtrend. Does that mean you won’t buy anything made in China?
I mean, we must have the same standards for all. Right?

True, this reminds me of the lamborghini statement regarding their advertisements, which states that they don't do television ads as their target customers are those people who doesn't watch shows in the television.

Well, who'd be dumb enough to watch TV while driving 200 mph down a dirt road? ;D

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I wuld never buy Tesla car never, cause they are not good. They have poor quality, you can find a lot of videos of this car failure in youtube, for example video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ1tofzX6Bk

How may people die each year in this shitty car cause of company issues with car? And now, when he does this with a crypt, I would never buy a single product from of Musk

His electro shis car make more polutions than any ICE car. If your think electric energy for BTC is not clean, and than of course is not clean also for his shity car. What wuld happen with battery for car after batterys life? probably nothing, and that battery creates pollution when it is produced, when you consume it, and when it dies, the battery will produce pollution

And one picture for Musk
https://www.theautochannel.com/news/2019/04/25/661653-electric-vehicles-unclean-every-speed-electric-cars-dont-solve-automobiles.2-lg.jpg

You will receive no argument from me.  

People can say Teslas are powered by dirty energy.  I get that.  People can say Elon is a troll.  I get that.  People can say they don't like that Tesla has a monopoly on electric cars and want to buy elsewhere, or maybe they even have brand loyalty and want to purchase an electric Ford.  Who knows?  All I do know, is that you currently can not find a better electric car for retail purchase by a major manufacturer that is better than a Tesla.  I can use the word "better" broadly here because Tesla is so far ahead in every way that there is no need to go into any more detail.

Tesla already has batteries that are installed next to houses to capture energy from solar panels in the day for use at night.  Similarly, Tesla is building capacitors to store off peak energy from power stations to feed into the market in high demand, so EM is probably looking now to tap into solar arrays plus batteries to power bitcoin mining rigs to rival other mining farms powered by hydro or coal that are set up around the world.

It's surprising that people talk about the cars, but that's not my point. It doesn't matter that the cars are good or bad. My point is that Elon Musk has a big mouth, and that he uses it to play havoc with BTC. Some day he says he supports BTC, that he's a big fan, and merely a few weeks later, he says BTC is dangerous to the planet... As an old BTC investor, I can't accept this. Maybe Musk is rich enough not to care about BTC's price, but I do.

It's not unlikely to have this sort of feeling about someone or a company that has resulted in some loss of profit in your trades or what your passionate and enthusiastic about. Its common and normal but, it doesn't mean much. Its a personal decision and not many would buy into that idea. Owning a Tesla if you can is actually being in line with the new world on renewable energy sources and creating an environmental more friendly source. Its the way the world is turning and your going to want to appreciate it some day. I ain't that cool with Musk  for being a reason to bitcoin's fall and relatively altcoins as well but, we must admit that he pointed out a fault and as such, we could build on that.

I'm just waiting for the OP or anyone else to outline what exactly mechanical or otherwise is actually wrong with Telsla's Electric cars?  (funny that everyone's talk of the owner of the company is probably off-topic, but I digress)

Are the brakes faulty?  Not enough miles to the kilowatt?  The seats aren't comfy?  The radio has too much squelch?  Come on @countryfree, tell us what's wrong with the car??

How is that off-topic if the OP literally says "no way I'm going to spend my money with the guy who's destroying my savings"?


The quality is average at best. I've had trim pieces rattle during a Model 3 test drive. Panel gaps are similar to a Mexico-made Nissan Versa. Doesn't look good on a 50-grand car. And one probably needs to be a millennial to buy a car without knobs for volume and climate control because I don't really understand the appeal of tapping on a tablet or trying to guess what magic words you need to say.

Next you'll be saying:

"Hopefully that person (EM) will also suspend making their all electric cars until such time as the metals are mined out of the ground with "clean energy", similarly, transported to smelters, and then manufacturing plants via electric vehicles powered from "green energy" and the cars themselves automatically refuse to be recharged by electrons sourced from "dirty energy" sources."

(rolls eyes)

Right now TESLA is no longer accepting Bitcoin to buy their electric cars. Ordering new products like Cyber Truck will cost you Bitcoin upfront and I see on this forum a member has placed a deposit of more than 5 BTC and by March the amount for the car was just over 1.5 BTC.

Currently, electric cars are a global trend, but not every country supports electric charging stations, so gasoline-powered cars are always a good priority because gas stations are everywhere.

OP was pretty clear that the reason he won't be buying a Tesla has nothing to do with Teslas product, it's the actions of the founder and ceo he has a problem with.

Haha there is one thing that I like about people it's that they take a lot of things personally which could ultimately hurt them at the end. You know instead of never buying Tesla Car a better option for taking Revenge might be to buy Tesla Car for cash and then sell it for BTC. Elon Musk is a confused creature. He himself once tweeted for his own company that Tesla shares look pretty high priced. First of all, I don't really think it would matter to him even if we all as a community swore never to buy Tesla because we are too small to give a significant hit to their revenues anyway. But yes a better thing you can do is to do this same thing on Twitter by tagging him or probably we can trend this. This might catch the attention of the Tesla PR Team.

Well, for the record, you said:


And it only takes a minute of research to find cars that are less expensive or better.

And then you went on about how awesome the Tesla Cyber Truck is...and once again, only a minute of research shows it's only just started production and won't be available till the end of this year, or later - meaning you were basically just repeating a Tesla pitch for their truck.

Hmmm is this one of the other's hate speech against musk, cause I'm thinking it is.

Plus tesla is not the only one offering electrically motored vehicles  :-\

I have the feeling that Mr Musk wants to rule BTC.
He gives conditions. I will accept BTC if... Sorry Sir, but if you support BTC, you put no condition to its use.

I guess its customers should do the same, and avoid buying an electric car if there's no green electricity available in their area.

What Musk says holds truth. It's a good thing to push miners for greener electric consumption. And if they do, it's better for all and mostly for the sustainability of bitcoin network.

And I'm planning to buy a tesla car within the next few years. When my petrol vehicle gets old and Tesla launches a cheap but high range hatchback.

Not even for a profit.
A friend of mine has a Model x d100 or what ever it is and i went for long and short distance drives in the thing and no not for me.

Ignore stereotypes against Tesla and Elon Musk, buy a car to travel and go to far places, choose a gasoline-powered car because they are easier to refuel. If you have to find a place to recharge and wait for the battery to be fully charged, you will lose your precious time. Not to mention the experience of a gasoline-powered car can be better.

Tesla has thought of that already and has announced ^{(sorry I've lost the link)} that they will start their own recharging stations attached to "Dinner" style restaurants / service stations - essentially Tesla gets you to buy the car, then, while you are "captive" for ~ 30 - 60 minutes, they get a trickle of money from you - might not be much day-to-day, but if they know they can rake in ^{(ball park number out of my head)} $100 per month from 50,000 people, then that starts equating to some big bucks.

The reason I won't buy a Tesla is because in my country the price is very expensive...

Besides that, the maintenance costs are also quite complicated, while I don't have enough time to take care of it. I'd rather stick with my old car and keep hold my Bitcoins than buy a Tesla I'll never need.

Wait 30-60 minutes to charge the battery, but the internal combustion engine refuels no more than 4 minutes. If you go to remote places, you can bring a fuel tank. Wouldn't that be more convenient?
Tesla electric cars are trying to reach everywhere, but they can hardly reach remote places.

I don't think Tesla is targeting people that plan on taking their vehicle to areas that are hundreds of miles away from gas stations or electricity.  I can't even think of an area that you would need to fill up an extra gas tank and throw it in your car because your gas tank doesn't hold enough.

And I believe with a super charger, you can get almost 200 miles worth of charge in 15 minutes.  And it will keep going down with each new model.

You might be,
but Model S and X cars have Panasonic manufactured batteries.
Panasonic specifies a maximum charging current of 2 amperes per cell. Tesla allows charging current to be up to 4 amperes.
As with Panasonic warranty already already null and void. Increasing the amperes even more, (faster charge) shortens Battery life more so.
Not much changing with the new in house produced (gigafactory) "2170" batteries other than physical size.  (increasing Ø by 3mm and height by 5

Maybe, maybe not.  Already companies such as goalzero.com have portable power packs the size of car batteries and solar panels that allow everything from USB devices to AC mains and 6V plugs, so it's not too unreasonable to imagine that a car could carry a spare battery and transfer power to the cars' own batteries (or even recharge the batteries via solar panels).

You obviously haven't been to Australia, North (Central and Southern) America, Eastern Europe (the list goes on) where there are wide open spaces and many hours of driving between one dot on the map and the next.  Carrying fuel onboard is essential to travel, so carrying spare batteries and solar panels isn't as far fetched as you might imagine.

Hybrid cars already recharge the batteries on the run when the vehicle is coasting / down hill etc - surely Tesla Cars do something similar to extend the drive times between actual recharges?

(and who doesn't want to get out of a car on a long run for a coffee and a stretch of the legs?)

There are many other good cars then Tesla on which you can go to far places and they offer much more value.

So why would we need to choose Tesla  ???
If we don't like Elon Musk market manipulation, we should show our protest by not buying his products.

What's your reasons not buy a car from Tesla company, then you dont like their products or the company itself you can equally go other companies that will give you what you like, but me i will buy, i cant because the attitude of elon musk towards cryptos not to buy what's nice to my test.

You can choose any brand you wanted to buy but we can't deny that Tesla is one of the best of its kind and its literally cheaper than other company cars in the EV segment. He is not going to get affected if we don't buy cars from him and actually he is even selling his ideas more than his car and he made profits from ideas than his actual selling of cars.

Up until this year when Elon Musk killed the Bitcoin, it was my dream to buy a new Tesla one day. I was so hyped when he announced that you could buy a Tesla for 1 BTC. But this hype changed so fast. Now I am not considering to buy a Tesla ever. My next car is definitely going to be an electric car, but it's better to wait a few more years until more car manufacturers will bring out more models. 

Good alternative to Tesla only $72500
https://hymanltd.com/vehicles/6695-1937-detroit-electric-model-99c-2-dr/

I don't think that's a wise statement. I was also frustrated with what happened to the market, which was influenced by Elon Musk, however, BTC's price was approximately at $35-40k mark before Tesla invested in Bitcoin. It's like we're back at point 0, before Musk.

Tesla has the patent for electric cars, which is open to use by any manufacturer. In my opinion, they build the best EVs so far, except a few cases I do not like, regarding their policy for example.

Well, when I buy a car I look at more practical issues like HP, handling, braking, reliability, fuel efficiency, etc.
I wouldn't buy a Tesla because it's electric, and electric cars are a big lie. If I could, I'd get a gas powered car and convert it to run on E100.
But, most importantly, I wouldn't buy a Tesla because I don't have the money.
Either way, I think Elon Musk will still survive... ;D

Except the thugs running the world want allow green fuel like alcohol to florish, instead they tax it like hell.
The moment the subsidies stop, he is done. Just because he is the latetest in a long list of failes in the EV market does not mean he will succeed.
In a free market he has no hope of surviving, better options are available.
Best fix
https://electrek.co/2021/12/23/tesla-owner-blows-up-model-s-dynamite-battery-replacement/#disqus_thread

Ya!  Fuck Tesla for buying billions of dollars worth of Bitcoin and holding it on their balance sheet.  Fuck Elon Musk for buying more Bitcoin to own personally.  Fuck Tesla for running a pilot program to accept Bitcoin for their cars and especially fuck Tesla because they said they'll be accepting Bitcoin again in the future.

Oh ya, and fuck Elon Musk for trying to make human beings a multiplanetary species.  Lastly, a final fuck you to Tesla for trying to replace internal combustion engines with electric motors. 

Who the fuck does this guy and this company think they are?  Supporting decentralized currencies, trying to better our species through space exploration, and cleaning up our planet while giving customers an awesome driving experience.  Fuck them... 

Fuck him for pushing Doge and making me 55k profit on it this year.  

And that is (again) the usual argument from people who choose to whine instead of looking for a solution.
There are strong communities in the US and elsewhere, both of biodiesel and bioethanol makers, as well as SVO and other alternative methods' users.  And most of them are free, or as close to free as can be expected, and NOT TAXED AT ALL, if you decide to to the legwork. Of course it's easier to complain and find excuses for doing nothing...

If there is a vote on this, op will fail to gather support on those boycotting Elon Musk Tesla. If OP is hating on Elon because of bitcoin when it dumped and he feels Elon is the major cause of it, what he should be doing is to start monitoring Elon closely to see when he is going to take another action that will cause bitcoin to crash. That is the best he can do and not call for a boycott that will fail flat. If Tesla is not expensive I will like to have one. For what I know, Elon has helped mankind alot and his support for bitcoin and cryptocurrencies is there for all to see. Any hate against him should be personal and not mass.

And what exactly would that be? What development did i miss, linkes, facts anything?
The only thing i do know in years to come people will have to pay a lot of money for correct dispossing of environment hazardous used / dead batteries. The first once start to fail, only the odd one so far, not a concern. The best dumping place for the mountain to come will be peoples backyard who cheer for it.

Electric charging station from the way old days https://youtu.be/juGsYXpk7Q4?t=22
https://i.ibb.co/xqQPF0D/mars-2-electric-charging.jpg (https://ibb.co/YBGY0M3) https://i.ibb.co/zNpgn1F/Unt.jpg (https://ibb.co/vDpWwbh)

https://i.ibb.co/TbLYhGP/Unt2.jpg (https://ibb.co/NmStYqW)

https://i.ibb.co/qn3ZYBX/Untitled1.jpg (https://ibb.co/GJ4hQ7B)

Well, everything changes, and maybe ten years from now, there would be more electricity charging stations than regular ones. Anyways, you can always get a Tesla for your specific needs whenever you want. I like to use online resource to rent Tesla (https://rent-a-tesla.com) for the minimal prices. They always offer Tesla in the best conditions possible, and for the lowest prices, which is pretty great for me.

Maybe. We never know what the future will bring. But, right now, electric cars are are a wealthy-tree-hugger's-pipe-dream (pretty much as cars in general used to be in the beginning).
There are several technologies (REAL technologies, not scams) competing to take the place of fossil fueled cars, and each one has its pros and cons. In many cases, the technology itself is immature, not ready for mass production. That is, IMO, the case with electric cars, and solar powered cars, for example.
You don't think about it, but when you go to the gas station, you're getting an enormous amount of energy (safely) in seconds, and an ICE today is a sophisticated, very reliable machine. Instead of that, charging an electric car takes hours, and fast charging it is akin to playing Russian Roulette, and when you put an electric car on the street you KNOW you will have to spend thousands of dollars on a replacement battery, and, contrarily to gasoline or diesel powered cars, batteries come with NO WARRANTY, so you may end up having to replace it tomorrow.

Again, nobody in their right mind would argue that there are not better alternatives. But most of them are far from ready.
Electric cars have existed pretty much since cars have. Solar has existed for decades, but it's still far from ready. Right now, the two technologies that are suitable and more than ready (they've been in use since the beginning), are ethanol and biodiesel (and SVO by extension), and in this case I do agree there's a more-than-fair amount of misinformation being pushed on people, not because they may be "the end of fossil fuels" (we're far from that), but because it gives people the chance to produce their own fuel for pennies on the dollar, and it can be used in largely unmodified engines.

I will get it if it has the kind of quality I love in a car and if it is not very expensive.  Me not telsa  car does not solve any issue between must and bitcoin . If I don't buy it I don't think it gonna affect musk in anyway .

Well no batteries do come with warranty. Model S and X cars have Panasonic manufactured batteries. Panasonic gives warranty and specifies a maximum charging current of 2 amperes per cell. Tesla allows charging current to be up to 4 amperes as-with voiding the warranty. Tesla decides to kill warranty by choice. Thats for the "18650" type batterie, the new inhouse made (gigafactory) 2170 type (21 mm diameter and 70 high cells) its another ball game. Other automakers excluding the engine from warranty its the end but we are talking about tesla customers....
Why is it called  "Tesla" anyway, Nikola Tesla was all about alternating current (AC) and Edison direct current (DC) and even made electric cars.

No, from a technical standpoint, they don't. The "warranty" some battery manufacturers offer is a marketing trap.
You don't "choose" what charging current you will use on a battery: when you discharge a battery you form metal ions within the electrolyte. The ONLY way to dissolve those ions is to recharge the battery with a current similar to the discharge current. Otherwise, those ions will accumulate, eventually turning the electrolyte conductive, and short circuiting the battery (and, at the usual numbers on a Tesla car, most likely producing a fire or an explosion). Is not like "Elon Musk "chose" to kill the warranty", like you say. There are technical limitations to consider.

And Panasonic the manufacturer of the Tesla used 18650 (18 mm diameter x 65 mm high) batteries specified it to be max 2 amp per cell.
You can choose to charge it at a slower rate but "cooking" it a 4 amp will void warranty, Tesla said fine, will do so, will charge at "fast" charge rate.
The 100 kW model has 16 pack with 516 cells each for a total of 8256 cells, the most popular model has 7104 cells, 16 packs of 444 cells each.
Charging 4,2 volt (3.7 use) and 4 amp is 16.8 watt x 8256 = 138.7 kW
With the new Tesla inhouse produced batteries (2170) any warranty discussion is of the table because they know charging at that many amps will lead to early death as it is above the technical limitations.
A friend of mine has a model X 100 D,  i been riding in the junk more offten than you think.

Tesla "chose" to void the warranty because the warranty is BULLSHIT!
You understand that concept?
You have a car, you have a limited amount of space you can use, and weight you can carry, not to mention a maximum price you can pay. You make do with what you have, as Tesla did.


Yeah, clearly. ::)
BTW, my background is in electronics, and I've been at it for the last 43 years. I think I know a thing or two about batteries.

Anyone in electronic for 43 years knows real progress, development and investments has been with capacitors, with market exploding to over half a million types. Batteries on the other hand is dying tech and has not managed to grow beyond some hundred types.
Capacitors is heart and soul of electronics, batteries is in the realms of consumer gadgetry. Batteries is kind of a embarrassment for real electronic guys.
Don't care what you think, i know how very well how much time wasted with detours and hanging on a cable when trying to get something done.

Yeah. Anyone in electronics for A MONTH knows batteries and capacitors are the same thing. A battery is just a very big capacitor.
Also, anyone in electronics knows "progress" is not measured by the number of new technologies found, but by the quality of the technologies.
BTW, capacitors are not the heart of electronics: semiconductors are.

Yeh, sure they are try charging - discharge a batterie multitude times per second and then tell me what happend to the "bigger" capacitor. lol
Alright one of or major part.

Play with real toys not something you familiar with like batterie packs for RC cars.
https://youtu.be/NnwfNMrjzzA

Yeah, I'm not gonna waste my time (nor help you derail this thread any further) by giving you an electronics class. If you want to learn, go to school.

More bad news, that is the problem with a proven failed and failed again product like EV
https://redrightvideos.com/bad-news-for-biden-and-electric-vehicle-market/

Regardless of your feelings towards Elon Musk, he's definitely got closer than anyone else to putting a lambo on the moon... which is what we're all here for, right?
The closest I've got is riding a bike off a ramp. But maybe one day if I make enough BTC I can realise my dream of driving a golf buggy out of a flying aircraft (with a parachute and other safety equipment, of course, I'm not an idiot).

https://i.imgur.com/ND84vA0.jpg

My GF is buying the Ford Lightning. Wish she'd switch to the Tesla.

No, sir. Batteries and capacitors are different tech.
Also, for any given quantity of energy, a capacitor will always be much bigger, and heavier, than a battery.

Actually Biden and BernyJB the same.

Capacitor are electical charged, Battery store chemical energy.
Capacitor can have crazy fast charge-discharge cycle, doing it with a Battery gives a nice fire.
Capacitor can be AC (run/start AC motor) or DC, no such thing as a AC Battery.
Capacitor long life span (million plus cycles), Battery much shorter lifespan (less than 1k)
Capacitor energy stored is less then 10 Wh/kg with Batteries is over 100
Capacitor power per kg can be almost 10000 watt, Batterie maxes out at about 3k
Not sure (havn't been 43 years in electronics) but i think there is no such thing as a current regulator for capacitor, its either on or not.
Capacitor is active development, Batterie is more or less dead tech, cheaper better systems of energy storage is available

If you like the Tesla car then go and get it or just buy anything you wanted. Tesla is actually a good electric car at affordable price.

Nobody is talking tech, and if you read my post, you will see I said "batteries are big capacitors".
So, yeah, they're different tech, the operating principle is the same, both are ways to store energy in form of an electric field.

I agree with your words. But Tesla car is a good electric car at an affordable price.

I never argued that. If you look at my first post on this thread (#54) you'll see I stated I don't like electric cars and I don't have the money. Never said a single word about quality or cost.

To make it more clear: about 80% of the electricity generated in the US is fossil fuel derived, so "in theory", you're saving 20% carbon emissions, at the very best. In reality, once you factor in conversion losses, that number quickly becomes negligible.
On the other hand (affordability wise), the moment you buy an electric car you're assuming the cost of replacement batteries, and they're not cheap. I have personally seen (an acquaintance bought it) an Acura Integra that had gone 279000 miles on nothing but consumables (oil, filters, spark plugs, brakes), just because its previous owner was very rigorous on its maintenance. Try that with an electric car.

And, finally, there are the technology's "other" shortcomings. Lack of charging points, time to charge, danger, and so on. I'm sure most of them (if not all) will be addressed in due time, but they're not there yet. As I said it before, there are other technologies that could be applied today, to existing vehicles, with minimal or no modifications, and have been proven to work from the very beginning.

Regardless of the damage Elon Musk was done to bitcoin, I believe that these cars contribute to reduce global warming, and besides they are of good quality, I see no reason not to acquire one (apart from the economic one).

Maybe you on medication or some other hallucinating agent, how exactly is increasing the energy needs going from A to B good for global warming? As for quality my friends X100 been for fixes several times and on the last ride with him he complaind that height ajustment no longer works proper, keeps sagging.

Tesla is NOT an environmentally friendly car, at least not in the US. Maybe in some other countries that get their electricity by more environmentally friendly means, but definitely not in a country that gets 80% of its electricity from coal.

If you could go ahead and tell everyone else not to buy Teslas either I would very much appreciate it.  I ordered one 2 years ago and will still be waiting years to get it.  No model they make is available for immediate pickup.  You can actually purchase a Tesla and sell it when you get it for a huge profit.  How many other car companies can say their cars gain value when they roll off the showroom floor?  Answer: None.  Teslas are so obviously miles ahead of the competition at this point in the game, it will be impossible for them not to disappoint unless Elon is flying people to Mars in a decade where people are driving underground in tunnels via Cybertrucks...

Can't subscribe to this really, i have said at some point said not to do some things but as a result of age, new experience or some other factors found myself doing those things i said i wouldn't do. Convictions can change and we all should realise that, some may say never to buy a tesla car but a drive in one, the experience may change your conviction. Some of such convictions that are temporary should be best kept to self to avoid being called a hypocrite if they change tomorrow.

You must be in a funny part of the world if you increase the dead weight lugging around is environment friendly.
There is nothing environment friendly to have mountains of toxic batteries in years to come.
Nothing environment friendly to convert and convert and back again...
And no it is not environment friendly if you produce electic with coal, nuclear, fields of glass....

You know what is environment friendly, hemp oil or alcohol from fruit trees. Let me tell you hemp is a "green" plant
https://youtu.be/3F5DcjwfMfY

Blaming crypto's downturn on Elon Musk is ignoring the fact that the market has become oversaturated, no new exciting or important tech developement has happened (it could and will, but it hasn't right now), and we are right on time of a crypto winter as predicted much earlier than Musk ever got into crypto. Nothing in a global economy is down to just one person or one event, it's a number of factors and this is no exeption.

If you have an issue with the price of Tesla, it's design or that it's an electric car, I might not agree, but I understand and it's good to have oppinions, but not buying a Tesla just because Elon caused the downfall of BTC, that just dosen't make any realistic sense.

Tesla Model 3 cost about $45k. With modern banking possibilities, I think a lot of people can afford that. That is what usually BMW 3 series, or Audi 4 cost. But the technology in Model 3 is in no way comparable to a car that cost $40-50k. I think people with lower middle class usually dont buy cars, they mostly use public transport.

A car itself is environment friendly, but the energy production to charge it pollutes environment worse than diesel cars.

I would consider Tesla car to be my next car, only if there will be more charging stations in my city, and full charge wont take hours. So far, I am ok with my 3 liter diesel, even if I dont use its full potential in city.

After reading Elon’s tweet storm about Joe Biden’s idiocy and brainwashed citizens demanding removal of their freedoms out of fear, I can say that right now I feel like I would never buy a car from any company other than Tesla ever again. If you haven’t read Elon’s tweets yet today, do it immediately. The richest man in the world who many give the title of genius has the opinion that our president is an idiot sock puppet. He’s right about it also. Thank god for Elon Musk. He’s got fuck you money and is saying all the right things. He’s the billionaire we deserve and I’m here to cheer him on.

Looks like another spoiled egotistical maniac on a narcissistic rampage because apparently Biden didn't mention "Tesla" in some speech, so wittle Elon got his wittle feewings hurt :D. I wouldn't doubt the same thing happened with Bitcoin.. someone probably called him a tool or didn't do whatever he wanted, he got butthurt, spit his narcissistic fire attacking with whatever he could, then walked away.

Of course, Biden is a tool too, but I think most people already knew that, as most presidents are.. we don't need a spoiled princess like Elon to tell us. The world needs less billionaires.

:-* love ya Elon. /sarcasm

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Will Elon Musk’s narcissism be his downfall? (https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/articles/Will-Elon-Musks-narcissism-be-his-downfall)