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There is many More better blockchains with much better use  Cases and utility.
ETH is one of biggest.

Btc is still alive only reason for that is some very powerful and influenceal people want btc to be alive there is no use Case no utility other then speculation even to Move dark money btc is not good even to make Transactions between companies not good.

So I guess btc is alive only that some big important rich person Can speculate and dump btc on poor suckers.

So to Say to take money from people and scam them.

I am, on the other hand, surprised that you believe it shouldn't be.

People tend to compare Bitcoin with other cryptocurrencies based on their technology. While it is important to support what may be technologically better for you, people like this guy forget an additionally important element of a cryptocurrency. Its behavior in the market.

I'll put aside nullius (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210)'s Social Phenomenon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215927.0) and the fact that Bitcoin is the first mover. Let's talk about the whales! Yes, that's right, the whales. A researcher of cryptocurrencies should know that besides the technological part, it's about the market after all. If we assume that a crypto has more efficient functionalities and it's better on every single way than Bitcoin in terms of technology, but 50% of the coins are owned by whales, would you still believe that it could replace Bitcoin?

Bitcoin started as an experiment and it's unique, because the coins weren't firstly distributed to whales. If a new coin came up, that was actually “better” than Bitcoin on a global scale, it couldn't have chance to compete it, because it'd quickly have whales!

BTW, I don't know any creators that mined around 4% of the system's coins and left them untouched.

How can you compare this thing with Bitcoin since they both solve different problems?

Bitcoin has no utility, show me the utility?  Real use Case? 
At least ETH is the blockchain for usdt.

BTC is a store of value and that's it. ETH is trying to solve different problem (and therefore has use cases they BTC doesn't)  and it can also be a store of value especially with the new EIP and 2.0 making it deflationary. What is the rationale for choosing something with only a store of value when there is something that does the same thing and more?

I've been using Bitcoin for quite a few of my payments for servers, Bitrefill, etc. LN has more unrealized potential and it depends on the willingness of adoption for it. Bitcoin has more projects which enhances the capability of it and it is fairly convenient as a store of value as well.

It is extremely myopic to be assuming that the market only has the capacity to accommodate for one coin. Just because you think something else is better in certain way doesn't mean the other coins has to be eliminated; there isn't any point for that and wouldn't encourage any innovation. Thinking Bitcoin is kept alive solely by some very rich people is baseless, I think you're thinking about DogeCoin instead. Most countries have been making policies tailored to crush Bitcoin and it has survived them pretty well :).

That's cause there are a lot of people that are still using it in the market and it has the utility to back it up. Not to mention that bitcoin is already proven to be used as a means of payment for a transaction with the 10k Pizza as the first evidence.

I really love to pay 50 usd per transaction, while I can pay 0.30 using bitcoin.

Vitalik's blockchain, the decentralized" cryptocurrency that has a CEO, has only 4000 full nodes (https://www.ethernodes.org/). While bitcoin has hundreds of thousand nodes.

Do you know why Ethereum has only 4k nodes? But it is incredible expensive to run one, and basically only AWS and Google are able to run one.




BTC is alive because it cannot be killed. It is basically a social phenomenon as nullius pointed out. It is used in all countries in the world, uniting people from different religions, countries... it is growing wildly without any central authority or CEO. Bitcoin existence is almost a miracle.

People use it because it is necessary, because it is useful, because it is censorship resistant (while Eth is not, as Vitalik can be coherced), it has no central point of failure (like eth has its CEO and AWS servers).



USDT runs on bitcoin as well. Actually, USDT first implementation was in bitcoin blockchain (omni layer, which is the platform to run tokens in bitcoin blockchain)

https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/what-is-tether-usdt

What part of the whitepaper don't you get? I can transfer value oversea with no third party required.

As I see , you have 308 activity that does mean you have been on this forum long enough to examine the whole development of Bitcoins closely. You should know that the reason Bitcoins is alive is not because of Whales or influential people but more than 50% is actually with small Investors. In the remaining 50% there are many people like :- Mr. Satoshi or even people whose wallets they lost at one point so they are like long term stable investors... Therefore the Volatile whales that you are considering might be controlling a big part but not whole. It's alive because a lot of people believe in it and are working well in the same. I personally was not able to find any job that can go well with my studies then back in 2014 my friends got me engaged in Bitcoins and then I joined the forum in 2016. It's been years and even if I have a stable job I will continue to work with cryptocurrencies especially Bitcoins. It's not about dominance. It's also about the trust in the community.

ETH is definately good in some aspects but at the end of the day it's not a race and I do think you know that ETH and BTC have more of a synergistic relationship.

Bitcoin is still alive because it has a very strong community, maybe some news can make bitcoin drop, or some companies can manipulate the price of bitcoin, but the community can not be destroyed or manipulated there is always support for bitcoin, as long as it will continue to live.

Lol strong community Don't make the price go up or down.
Whales comes and done price up or down dump.

Without fiat currency nothing to do with btc at the moment if u want to buy something u need to convert in fiat.

You just proved how ignorant you are. The first tokens for Tether, originally called Realcoin, were issued on the Bitcoin blockchain using the Omni Layer Protocol.
Ethereum is not a blockchain for USDT, but USDt-ERC20 is just another version (second edition, if you will) of the same cryptocurrency. Just like the tokens issued on EOS, Tron, Algorand, SLP and OMG blockchains.

Therefore, the next time you wanna say something stupid, at least make sure you know what you're talking about.

Buying pizza with bitcoin is now enshrined and became a great history in the world of bitcoin, I think from this community strongly believe bitcoin, as well as having advanced technology, very potential in the future brings change in the financial sector.

So you are claiming that ETH is the best blockchain with use case and utility while Bitcoin does not have a use case and utility, start using Bitcoin and then write the review.

What do you mean by dark money, illegal transaction and you think that the rest of the cryptocurrencies will block if anyone is making illegal transactions  ::).

If you have that kind of convictions who is forcing you to be in the market  ::).

Yet another stupid statement.
These days we are celebrating "Bitcoin Pizza Day". Do you know why and what is the significance of that event?

You will have an answer to your question when you find an answer for why gold is expansive? could you give me a utility for gold? Only one....
I am a big fan of altcoin as they resolve many other problems however as said on other replies, it's a shame that altcoins are not following a fair lunch anymore... I mean what is the point of all this if it will end up with no hard capped tokens where the price is set randomly and the distribution is more the 60% to founders...

BTC has very strong fundamentals and also a lot of the Bitcoin community that supports bitcoin until recently. until whenever bitcoin will remain alive and continue to be developed. Bitcoin is still a very new digital asset, but its effects are being felt today. Bitcoin is not just a speculative asset, but there are still many uses for bitcoin.

pros and cons about bitcoin have existed since bitcoin was first launched, this is common. many do not like bitcoin and many also support bitcoin. A very strong community will make bitcoin an asset of the future.

if you see how the altcoins are valued, they do it based on bitcoin, not on dollars, that's why bitcoin is so important for the alts and it can't easily die... But as you say, right now we have better blockhains, but without bitcoin they would never exist.

Bitcoin has a good technology than other crypto currency that's why more rich ppl trying to swing the price just to make profits..  And no one can take over mate even despite of the current situation of the market even ETH in my personal opinion .. Because it always jump to the highest level after the hard fall.. And that is proven and tested so many times even before when the price is cheap. so i suggest dont insist that there are some other crypto currency that can take its place.. Especially now that still above the resistance..

you are a pure shitcoin maximalist...

let's see the reality in the market, is shitcoin able to beat the dominance of Bitcoin, even many of the shitcoins suffer when the price of Bitcoin falls, so on what basis do you say shitcoin is better than Bitcoin.

Stable coins only are better.

It's not the whales but the bitcoin believers and the trust they have on bitcoin that is still keeping bitcoin alive.
If nobody would have trusted bitcoin then it would have gone down in marketcap long ago but instead it's at the top.
This shows how much trust people have on bitcoin. Bitcoin is decentralized and holds value. This is the most important reason for it to stay on the top since genesis.

Why wouldn't it be alive? It's hard for other cryptocurrencies to surpass it, and Bitcoin being the first one is just one reason why it will always stay on top. Just look a the market, the volume, the market cap and the price and compare it with cryptocurrencies below Bitcoin. Of course, there is a point considering technology differences and others have better aspects like lower fees or faster systems for an example, but Bitcoin is holding on as well. A lot of other coins are good as investments but still Bitcoin makes the most of the market and it will certainly stay #1.

Nothing to be surprised to I guess,
I mean why wouldn't it be alive? There are so many people,investor and companies that believes in it,
And if you're referring to Elon Musk I think it isn't just because of him,
BTC isn't something like Doge that only gain attention because of this person BTC already have the attention of the people so it would surely survive and rise up even without the help of this rich person that you are referring too.
And just to remind you BTC has a limited supply so it have a higher chance to go up compared to those who have unlimited supplies such us ETH and Doge.

Being a pioneer does give a lasting impression.  BTC being the first decentralized cryptocurrency had been acknowledged by a different institutions.  It is approved as a medium of exchange by some countries and others see it as an asset.  It won't just simply die because someone better or upgraded version of a blockchain is around.  Remember even in software, many companies still use the older and more stable program than the most recent one due to its bug and glitches.

It's quite surprising you are trying to spread FUD about Bitcoin. I have read and reply your other thread. Just the same thing you are repeating in different languages. What is your intention to spread FUD? Turn Bitcoin useless? What happens even Elon spread FUD about Bitcoin energy-burning? Nothing, just dump it for quite some time and recovering as well. It's quite hesitating to compare Bitcoin with an Altcoin. You are doing the same thing in other posts as well. You alone can't stop Bitcoin until it's used by the community. And as you know Bitcoin community is very strong, it's not going to break very easily. So, please stop spreading FUD, if you are a loser like me, just HODL.

It's centralized. It wasn't the goal of cryptocurrency.

Eth! better blockchain yet insane transaction fee, tell me what is better when the only thing that is used by many on this blockchain is ridiculously high? maybe as a dev you may find it better, but the many average joe's  who don't develop anything except use it as transaction won't see it that way, actually there are many better blockchain but eth is not one of them.

Give this thread a good read, OP.
[UPDATED] PSA: Most Stablecoins Can Be Frozen, Even in Your Own Wallets (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5204055.0)
There are more in Google.

About the utility by the way, my friend requested an immediate fund to me and through Bitcoins using Electrum wallet, I got the money sent to him without going out. Saved me for travel expenses plus time.

We do not have to do show you a thing, if we thought that you were arguing in good faith then we could try to show you that bitcoin has several use cases which are described in the white paper of satoshi and some other ones that have developed on their own, but we know that you simply do not believe in bitcoin and you only believe in ETH because some stable coins run above it, with that in mind there is no reason for us to bother and if anything the only surprising thing is that you are still here making those claims.

I always thought it was weird/ironic to call bitcoin blockchain technology trustless. It seems to me so much is still based on trust, trust on this trustless technology.

Bitcoin has a lot of trust. Its trustless technology has not been broken. It's been around for a long time, battle tested, and trusted by so many.

But let's see, in 10 years, I wonder where it will sit within the top ten cryptos.

Bitcoin as a television, it either loses its popularity or gains it again when there are some outbreaks, such as the World Championships or the Olympic Games. Most people do not pay attention to this "talking box", others cannot take their eyes off it. In any case, we are at another historical milestone in the development of the cryptocurrency industry, and no matter where the price goes - mentioning and mass education about this is already a fait accompli. And the more people know and understand the blockchain, the wider the community.

It is true, the fees charged are no longer rational, as if there is no other alternative that can be used, with very high costs, many have suffered losses, both new projects that cannot pay because they have to wait until the price of transaction costs can fall, if it is forced. there will be additional costs that are beyond the estimate.

usually transaction costs are not problematic now it becomes problematic, so that many are disadvantaged because many cannot make transfers because the costs are greater than what is being transferred. where this has never happened so far but now it has become very confusing.
that's why many are looking for alternatives to platforms other than ethereum, so that it can continue. Of course, with a platform that has already been implemented. there is nothing wrong with trying so that there are alternatives and monopoly does not occur.

In general, when the amount of transactions and fees is high the fees do not have much effect to make transactions easier in blockchain technology. When the prices of currencies go down there is a huge crisis in the market but there is nothing to be too frustrated about bitcoin its price goes up and down BTC has been surviving from the beginning for the bad news in the market maybe started to go down. But now BTC is rising again I think the market will go to a new level again.

There are blockchains such as Cardano and NEO which are superior to Bitcoin. But they will never be able to take the place of Bitcoin, because first and foremost the users are concerned about security. The PoW algorithm of Bitcoin makes sure that the coins are secure while being transacted in its Blockchain. If something has worked well for more than 12 years, you are not inclined to replace it with another asset, unless the supposed replacement is drastically better than the original one. And from what I have seen, none of the altcoins have some revolutionary new idea, which makes it necessary to switch from BTC to that coin.

Well it is no surprise at all because we know it is still up to now working, its just that there are some who seems to not know that bitcoin goes up and down and that some causes it to happen but to us who knews it, this is nothing new. Bitcoin investor and user combine it all together to make it into blockchain phenomenal but to due transaction, fees and other negative comment affect its existence sometime but generally it is visible and worldwide use.

It's funny to see that you're telling things like this. ETH and the other you've made threads about TRX. Isn't it that the two altcoins are competing with each other with their own blockchains?

You shouldn't be surprised if BTC is still alive.

It will remain to be alive and kicking and you've probably dumped already or you don't own any single sats.

In my point of view it is also depend on people's psychology. Other cryptocurrencies that will be created will be labeled as altcoin, which mean is alternative coin. People trust bitcoin unlike other cryptocurrencies which the price will fall to zero if the business behind it is bankrupt or have bad performance. Bitcoin is where cryptocurrency users unite. I personally don't trust altcoin as much as bitcoin. I still invest in some altcoin but only in altcoin that has smaller risk. I am sure that bitcoin will alive for many centuries.

Btc is the mother of all crypto. That is why it is more popular than any other coin that introduced after btc.
Also the purpose of btc is solely to use as currency. It has low supply and is truly decentralized.
These are the few reasons why btc is more popular.

So you are trying to make comparison among btc and ETH which are used for different purposes like bitcoin can be used to transfer funds but on the other side eth blockchain allows dapps and smart contract to be deployed on Ethereum blockchain which is in different way from Bitcoin created by Vitalik.Bitcoin provides you security and decentralisation feature not like some coins with centralized authority and unlimited supply which can be manipulated.If you have technical knowledge of Bitcoin then you should know how private and public keys are derived from elliptic curve multiplications and what protocols are taken into consideration.For normal people like you Bitcoin is just a normal currency but who knows how transaction take place in backend already are familiar with its utility.You need to check why most exchanges use btc as reserve and it is used as common trading pair among BTC/USD and then you will know what it's utility.

Yeah,but the ethereum price has the same pumps and dumps as Bitcoin.Do you think that the ETH price is stable?
Do you know how many people own the majority of ethereum in existence?ETH is owned by a bunch of crypto whales as well.Can you mention a few areas where ethereum is more useful than Bitcoin?ICOs?NFTs?DeFi?
Don't make me laugh.ICOs,NFTs and DeFi are just a scammers paradise.
I don't even want to comment on your claim,that the ETH blockchain is better than the Bitcoin blockchain.
This simply isn't serious.

You cannot deny the fact that bitcoin is the most powerful cryptocurrency ever since. Imagine how long it was able to stabilize its position as the highest value in crypto at the markey. There are a lot of struggles and doubts it went through time in the market but look how far it still went. It made lots of achievements specially last year when it was able to break everyone's expectation. Even though bitcoin is at the top up until now, you should not disregard the existence of other altcoins. Try diversifying whilst prioritizing bitcoin.

You have a bias against BTC.  Or did you become a roast, when all your altcoins and shitcoins in the name of your general ETH were burned?  Lol, Bitcoin has things that are optional if you don't, you can't blame all the market variations.  Oh, it must be said that the ICOs that you idolize are the most blood-sucking and fraudulent ICOs because of malice, well-structured :))
ETH is overvalued, and strong BTC breakouts will steer the market in the right direction.

The purchase of pizza occurred several years ago and at that time the BTC price rate and reasonable transaction fees allowed everyone to do it freely, even though it was not generally accepted.

Nowadays, Bitcoin to buy pizza is of course the impossible thing to happen. You buy a pizza for $ 15 and have to pay a transaction fee of $ 7, it's not a big deal. The adoption of Bitcoin is becoming more and more widespread, but it is becoming increasingly difficult for us to use it for daily transactions because of the unconditional transaction fees.

The transaction fees are completely rational, the more demand there is for a product the higher the price of that product becomes especially since its supply is limited, the space on each block is limited which means only a certain number of transactions can be confirmed at the same time, so if you want a fast confirmation then you need to pay for it, you do not want to do that? Then no problem you can pay less in fees but you will have to wait more time to get your confirmation.

If Bitcoin had no potential in the market and playing an important role, you will be sure to see not the top coin but on the bottom. However, you will see the opposite position as obvious that Bitcoin has an important role in the market. You can never take away from it, in fact, for too many times that people called Bitcoin a scam but wondering that instead of expecting people will leave and hate Bitcoin the more they got close to it and more investors had come.

Just continue if you want to spread FUD.
Well, I personally believe that Bitcoin will survive no matter what the conditions are. even BTC has had something worse than this. Then, why should you weaken Bitcoin?
Indeed, BTC still has various weaknesses. However, it cannot be denied that BTC has the highest reputation, the highest value, and also the desire to own crypto means owning BTC.
I love ETH and some top coins. Bt it doesn't mean that only they can survive and Bitcoin not. BTC is the king of crypto and will be always.

first things first. i'm surprised the OP is still here. if he doesn't believe in bitcoin anymore, why is he actively roaming around in the forum and posting in various sections? dont know his intentions here. but i guess, he's just throwing some baseless conclusions here.
we've had many of them before and even up until now. guess, bitcoin really does have a lot of critics. but in the end, a lot still go back to bitcoin as most projects turned to be abandoned and crappy.

Are you saying bitcoin is only alive today because there are rich people involved in its ecosystem?

I honestly don't think this is true! Bitcoin has been in this for over 10 years and has seen good and bad days,suffered a few attacks  people trying to out smart others such as double spending but all these flaws are what makes it the perfect coin!

Other coins the only reason they can't get ahead of bitcoin is they are run by a central power and for users that want privacy they pretty much can't find it in these perfect coins of today.

It's not alive just because some influential people want it like that. It's alive because there is a really high demand for Bitcoin. And it's adoption is becoming bigger and bigger in time. People like Bitcoin because it seems like it's special among cryptocurrencies as it's the oldest one.

I feel like you really hate bitcoin so you can always say something negative about it. Bitcoin is still alive because there are still huge demands not only rich people but even those at the middle and lower class who also took part to believe in invest in bitcoin. Why you don't try to believe in bitcoin and start to invest on it so that you can understand why bitcoin is still alive and so valuable until now.

Why should it die? I am sure if bitcoin dies, other altcoins will face the same consequences. You are comparing bitcoin with ethereum. They both are two different coins with two different use cases. You can't compare them. Why do you have such hate for bitcoin by the way? Did you lose a lot or something? It happens ;).
You told you  that you can't transact between companies using bitcoin? Are you talking about the high fees? Have you seen the fee for ETH transactions? It is even more absurd than that of bitcoin.

Sometimes hatred will only cover up the truth, therefore we really have to judge Bitcoin because we don't hate it. The reason Bitcoin is still alive is
that the demand for Bitcoin is still large, because many people still feel the benefits of Bitcoin, and believe Bitcoin can make someone rich. I also
disagree if there are people who say Bitcoin is only for the rich, that's the wrong opinion. Because so many people from the middle and lower class
buy Bitcoin. Even though Bitcoin is very expensive compared to other assets. But we don't need to buy 1 BTC, we can adjust the finances that we each have.

Lol, why do people think it die while we can see in the market that the price is pretty much high and also the volume is so big which is totally cannot be called dying. If you are a bitcoin hater better accept for yourself that this one will stay since many insitution now are adopting it, I will not surprise if the price dumps but thag scenerio is so normal in the market.

Why some people guess that Bitcoin will die due to some countries governments banning Bitcoin mining. Bitcoin mining and Bitcoin never same thing, some countries governments already declared Bitcoin mining banned due to huge amounts of energies losses but they don't ban Bitcoin.

to be honest i'm really shocked too to know the fact that bitcoin is still alive, and even getting bigger and more popular this year. Because last time i've quit bitcoin, there seems like no future of it, the price keeps getting lower, so it's such a surprise that in about three months, the price went up like 6-8 times.
However i agree, bitcoin is more likely used as speculation tool only, but well, as long as it's still beneficial for some people, what's wrong with that? the newcomers just need to be more careful so they won't be left with nothing while going along with the hype.

There are probably two reasons:
1. He is trying to spread FUDs because he wants people to be panic and sell their Bitcoin at a cheap price. Then, he takes advantage once people already sold their Bitcoin in the market.
2. He is a Bitcoin hater. There are too many Bitcoin haters, both in the forum and out there. Sometimes they play like supporting Bitcoin, then they spread negativity about Bitcoin to all people. Not sure what the intention of these people, they may be educated actors that want the existence of Bitcoin to end.

Well, just ignore him, mate. He has no power to stop Bitcoin.  :D

Bitcoin will never die because it is the first cryptocurrency to introduce in the world and have the largest value amongst all of the cryptocurrencies now that have been introduce. Being shock that you thought bitcoin is dead, i think you do not have any bitcoin or atleast a little amount of bitcoin in your wallet. Having bitcoin now is hard to earn because its value goes higher time by time and even etherium value is also high now.

What made me surprised ? is knowing that you are still alive , because i Know that bitcoin will stay very long but you?
I find no reason why you are still existing in this forum when you clearly understand that you are not in desire by people.
Look at your threads many people denies you as qualified in each opinion you delivers?
Exactly the point. its getting stronger year by year.

I'm surprised you have not learned yet.

There will always be better than bitcoin, but it will not change the fact that bitcoin will always be the favorite in crypto, the number 1 favorite to be exact.
So stop comparing bitcoin to altcoins, as altcoins are created for a reason, and they are just an "alternative coins".

But you can see his presence always on this forum, which is the sheer amount of dedication he has to give so that Bitcoin will be devalued and ETH be put in its place as the king of crypto. If you are checking his posts you will see that he promotes ETH so much, and like I said his dedication to his goals are somewhat noteworthy. I am not praising him or raising his ego but he has a goal in crypto and he will do the best he can to ensure he will give a good fight against Bitcoin.

Forever is an overused and wrongfully used words because that would mean that bitcoin will survive the heat death of the universe, I would say that long time is a more appropriate word to say. Also, the reason why bitcoin is still alive is like every other top altcoins out there, it is still being developed further.

Bitcoin functions as a currency that is not regulated by a bank. Decentralized Bitcoin thanks to POW.
Bitcoin has blockchain technology that is old but enough to satisfy until now. There are many opinions that bitcoin will die but Bitcoin has survived until now.
Bitcoin's existence is due to the strong decentralization of the network.

It is not really surprising that Bitcoin is still alive for the fact that if you have been here for long enough, you maybe have already witnessed on how Bitcoin struggled and survived the many ups and downs on the past years of its existence and have made it through until this point of time which is really good since many are benefiting on its existence. Well, it is just right that Bitcoin still alive and do exist because of the influential people but that is not just them but also all the people who supports and believes on it as well because of they were all gone, how can you possibly think of something to still exist without no one supporting or using it. But since Bitcoin has many supporters and believers, no doubt and not even a surprise Bitcoin have made it to still survive and be alive.

Don't talk like a bootlicker, Op.
Btc shouldn't be alive? Btc brought this revolutionary asset class into existence, its Blockchain is one of the most secure Blockchains in the world, and who says it does not have any utility or use cases? Whatever Ethereum and other tokens have to offer, all the features were available in btc and can still be added to it. Cryptocurrencies exist because bitcoin was the first step, why shouldn't btc be alive?

It is simple, he is an ETH lover and probably holding many ETH. What he did on Bitcoin, maybe just to attract people's attention. However, I still assume he is a Bitcoin hater as well.  :D
Yep, his dedication is just for reaching his goals. I don't know about the details, but if he is truly an ETH holder, he should expect an improvement in ETH value. His presence in this forum can be his own way to spread hate for Bitcoin and change people's attention to ETH. Well, actually I don't care what his purpose is. People won't easily change their minds only by reading an absurd thread like this.

Bitcoin full potential hasn't been achieved yet, if all that's on the other so called better blockchain was to be built on the Bitcoin network, it would had perform more better and been more decentralized that what we're currently experiencing.

Your words though aren't far from the truth but don't forget none would had existed without the success of the very first cryptocurency which is bitcoin. Bitcoin made it possible for ethereum and her likes to have support from the community. Bitcoin still has the first mover advantage and that's an advantage that'll play to the favor of bitcoin for a very long time. Learn from the mistakes and don't hate on bitcoin.

The irony is that, this is a Bitcoin forum. The main coin on this forum is Bitcoin. This is not an Ether forum, and definitely this is not a Dogecoin forum. This is a bitcoin forum. No matter what methods he use to spread hate over Bitcoin, he will simply fail in attracting followers here and shared their mutual hate over the coin. I mean most of the failed Bitcoin players or investors simply just doesn't mess with the cryptospace and simply go back to normal lives. He is out here with a mission that is already doomed to fail from the start. But still admired the dedication.

Bitcoin is still the King of the coin and nothing will replace it. Bitcoin is the benchmark for all altcoins today. Bitcoin and altcoins cannot be compared. Bitcoin remains the favorite and the main Coin.
For the problem, the price has indeed exceeded bitcoin, but it can never replace it.

Do not bother at all, many people are not going to ever learn their lesson, bitcoin has crushed thousands of altcoins and not a single time it has come out of the top, and yet some people still believe that bitcoin is going to somehow going to lose its position despite the fact that we have now institutional investors that care only about bitcoin, and when you see the news they are always speaking of bitcoin and not of any other coin as no one knows anything about them.

The op is trying so hard to shill eth that don't really require any shilling at this time, this would have been years back when eth was $2 and btc was $500 but now there is nothing that you will say that will change the people's mind about btc, it may not have the same amount of utility like eth but it has the support of the majority and that my friend is more than enough to keep btc alive and at the top.

not eth but btc is the biggest of all crypto but its true that eth had more utility because its allows devs to create a token or a smart contract with another new utility .
 btc is not for speculation but have you tried visiting a gambling site ? by there you can see bets made in btc and other companies use btc too but you can hardly see it like you do in gambling . this is why btc cant die

It is only natural that there are those who do not believe and are surprised that bitcoin can still exist today and its role is getting more and more popular. you are right that bitcoin is the king of all coins currently in crypto, and the influence of bitcoin is very felt and can be seen at this time when experiencing a very deep correction all also having an impact with the price dropping drastically

the need for bitcoin to be used as a digital currency that can do it on all fronts, without any regional and country restrictions. Of course it is very popular because of the convenience it has, moreover the price cannot be controlled because it depends on market movements, which is different from fiat which can be intervened.
bitcoin travel will continue to grow as more and more countries use it to fill a void that fiat can't. So it is wrong that some say they are surprised that bitcoin still exists today.

Bitcoin will never die as it is the no. 1 cryptocurrency in the coinmarketcap and if you think that bitcoin will die soon, you're wrong.

There are altcoin who are also profitable but I guarantee you that most of the people know how valuable bitcoin is.

ETH and other coins are just an alternative, if you can't make money in bitcoin then try to explore other cryptocurrencies.

Are you really surprised that the King Bitcoin is still alive? Bitcoin is the largest and top 1 cryptocurrency all over the world and also when it comes to the market cap and supply. Then why are you surprised that bitcoin is still alive and comparing it to Ethereum? Ethereum is really a good cryptocurrency or altcoin but what I am pointing out is that comparing these two good coins is far more than we are expected. All of the coins are just following the movement of the bitcoin wherein you guys will be noticed that whenever bitcoin has a huge dump, the market is also dumping. That's why it is impossible for bitcoin to die because when bitcoin dies then the whole market may also collapse.

OP I would say you got what you deserve,  knowing fully well this is a btc forum yet you still have the audacity to bad mouth btc in the main territory  :D an sure you have had and ear full, nobody will support you on your petty talk, if you value eth so much then go to ethereum forum and shout it out loud (if they have any  ;) )  don't make irrelevant noise here.

The things is that the support does not come for free, if bitcoin was the first coin ever created but it had a bunch of flawed concepts like many coins of today do then I have no doubts that another coin would have taken its place at the top and we will remember bitcoin as the original coin and nothing more, however satoshi was such a genius and thought about every single detail that bitcoin was an incredible coin even at release and even at this point it is better than every single other coin in this market.

When comparing the bitcoin technology to the Ethereum Network it is so obvious that the Ethereum Network is much better even though Bitcoin has a bigger market cap and the top 1 cryptocurrency the Technology of bitcoin is just out of date compared to the other new altcoins in the market. 

The obvious difference here is bitcoin just want to be money, or you could easily compare it to fiat, and now it's like the 2nd version of gold and great to store the value, but since bitcoin has a volatile market price it just doesn't fit it at this time so if we buy something using bitcoin it might be worth millions in the coming years just like what happened to the pizza guy. So the best thing to do is to hold bitcoin since it's better as an investment than just spending it.

Ethereum is just a different cryptocurrency since Ethereum has contracts and networks, I mean I honestly believed that Ethereum is just so undervalued at this time so who knows if it's going to surpass bitcoin in just a few years. But the marketcap of bitcoin is sure cannot be surpassed by Ethereum since bitcoin has a fixed supply of 21 million comparing to the EThereum that has an unlimited supply which is like a currency. There are billions of people that believed in bitcoin could be the future and probably the safest investment that you could make as well and with the huge community you cannot expect Bitcoin to just die.

Not surprisingly, the decentralization and unparalleled security of cryptocurrency and bitcoin determine the existence of bitcoin.

People have a higher understanding of the special currency, and more people use bitcoin to trade. It has become a part of your life, which means bitcoin will not disappear.

Well, it's like a rotation or movement that's very natural from the nature of its price movement which is influenced by many rich people who continue to buy it and it takes by others peoples to make a profit. Trust is also increasing among many people, it is impossible to reach the current price if trust in bitcoin is running low, especially in this new era in terms of financial life in general.

I don’t agree with op’s point of view. In fact, the change that btc brings to us is to get rid of the control of the government, and then enjoy your own privacy rights, and you can also hold it for a long time to obtain high returns. You said those who paid in small amounts The problem, when the technology is upgraded or the mining is over, it will gradually stabilize and solve this kind of problem.

there is a truth, I also see that, bitcoin has many real drawbacks, and below bitcoin today there are still many much more powerful cryptocurrencies, it's just that bitcoin is always supported by the entire cryptocurrency community and the whales. Whatever the coin community today, it all comes from bitcoin, which is why bitcoin is so powerful. And I guess bitcoin will never disappear or die as long as the internet still exists.

Bitcoin has the largest network effect, Bitcoin has the strongest network effect, and severely outperforms any altcoin in the competition. According to the Real Bitcoin Dominance Index, it occupies a dominant position of approximately 80% in the cryptocurrency market compared to its competitors. So this is why Bitcoin beats other currencies and has existed for twelve years.

Indeed Bitcoin is not perfect and there are still some weaknesses, but this does not make Bitcoin investors left. Due to the fact that until now Bitcoin is
still the most popular crypto and is in demand by many investors. And there are still many institutions that invest in Bitcoin, for that reason I believe
Bitcoin will not die. Therefore, compared to other cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin is the most profitable to buy. The internet is an important factor so that
we can still make Bitcoin transactions, without an internet network there is a possibility that Bitcoin will die.

Being the first one indeed plays a role, but on the other hand, of Bitcoin was poorly developed and had some serious flaws that cannot be changed - it would've crushed a long time ago. But we've seen it recovering many times, even when there were manipulation attempts, panic selling, huge fees...
And about Satoshi, I don't think it has any meaning at all. Yes, that's somewhat intriguing, but just enough to feed the media a little, those times when news about Satoshi's identity was a hype are long gone.

and until now bitcoin is the  only coin that major crypto users keeping on their pocket.

not like Shitcoins  that only used for daily trading and also for some short transactions while those who wanted to keep for future use, then bitcoin is their choice .

Bitcoin is indeed inseparable from controversy, one of which is from its creator who is kept secret and various legal issues that continue to accompany its growth. Indeed, nothing is perfect, which is why there are many altcoins that offer better deals, with features and usability that are more acceptable to the community and a clear development team. But that's not enough to overthrow BTC as a cryptocurrency pioneer, the facts speak for themselves. Let the secret be a secret. Let's just take advantage of this opportunity to take profit, don't worry about the controversy, that's it will be worthless.

Nothing beats out the first even though its really a bit outdated compared into most altcoins in the market which does have much more better when it comes to scability and fees which are mostly where the community is minding off but still the demand is there with Bitcoin despite of its flaws
which does simply proves out that being first would really stick to top rank even though its not a guarantee but at least we can really see
on how the community is been reacting on it.

Well, you do know that eth is also facing the same problem that bitcoin is facing right now? Bitcoin is still alive till today because of how good it is. And when it comes to transaction bitcoin is one of the most secure cryptocurrencies for transactions, only the fees is what discourages a lot of people from making use of it.

Even at that I have seen companies that sends payments using bitcoin, and I have not seen any company that is making use of any other cryptocurrency apart from this. If you’re going to be using transaction as a comparison, for sure there are lots of cryptocurrencies that are a lot better for transaction, but Ethereum wouldn’t be the choice for me, Tron is even better when it comes to making transactions.

you will be more surprised once the Bitcoin price crossed 1 million in the future  and no wonder what will be your reaction if all your shitcoins dies while bitcoin is climbing up and up .
there is more than 10 years that bitcoin proven its existence and capacity and what about you, have you proven anything yet aside from trolling this forum and spamming here and there?

What you say is true, Bitcoin is very different from shitcoins. Most people who buy Bitcoin for long term investment, this is what ultimately makes
Bitcoin stronger and impossible to die. While shitcoins are only used for pump and dump, because it is used by people to seek profit in the short term.
And the advantages of Bitcoin are also what make many people believe, if the price has fallen, always recovers and the price goes up higher and higher.
So it is not wrong if there are people who say investing in Bitcoin can make us rich.

My point is a little different. Being first is important, but only at the beginning. Afterward - it's the features, marketing, and advertising, that play the biggest role. Let's take smartphones, as an example. The first touch-screen smartphones that resemble the ones we have now on the market were BlackBerry, which appeared around 2004-2005. A couple of years later, in 2007, the first iPhone entered the market. So does it matter now who was the first one? Apple won over the market, even though it was released years after the first one.
So it's not only "being the first" that makes Bitcoin special, but its features as a cryptocurrency as well. Otherwise, it would've been long forgotten.

Bitcoin does not depend on scarcity to determine its value. Its true value lies in its wide acceptance.
Everyone who can see here knows that Bitcoin's first transaction is a pizza worth hundreds of millions of dollars. The generation of this transaction is very simple. The simple one is:
A: I have Bitcoin, do you approve it?
B: Approval
A: Then I will use 10,000 bitcoins for you. You can give me pizza.
B: Transaction

That is exactly the fact mate, that Ethereum is much in trouble more than Bitcoin because people are trusting bitcoin forever that they can appreciate why the fees are so high but Ethereum? what coin is this to compare to bitcoin that sometimes it has more higher fee than BTC?
yeah it is bitcoin that will stay alive to the last breath of our generation now.
Nope there are companies that also using altcoins ,but the main thing is Bitcoin is the most used and majority is having this in their plate compared to the 10% altcoins.

You can even just distinguish some coins in the market that if it isn't near BTC then it is a shitcoin.
Most probably those who aren't on the toppers.
However people shouldn't expect too much that BTC will lead them to their Lambo.

It is going to be a cycle, I believe. As how it started it all, cryptocurrencies is aligned through what bitcoin had done for the market. If ever, ETH, or other vastly growing crypto currencies or coins today, will dominate and overwhelm the market, bitcoin won't be forgotten in the market and its degrading or lowering value will attract new and future investors and it will just be a cycle on the ups and downs on its trend. I think that's the case that will run for a very long time.

Explain this - how is El Salvador merchant going to price its goods in Bitcoin? Is his rent going to be in Bitcoin? Is he going to pay his employees in Bitcoin? Suppliers will charge him in Bitcoin??

This is why the market cap is such a flawed metric, if someone creates a coin with 100 million coins in supply and one of those coins is sold for 1 dollar suddenly this coin has a market cap of 100 millions, as a rule of thumb when it comes to altcoins whenever I see their market cap I reduce it to only 5% of the number I see to get a more realistic idea of how much money is actually invested in the coin and how much support it has.

That would help their economy for sure, El Salvador is not a reach country based on the GDP by Country ranking.
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/

With the help of bitcoin being legalized, the government could generate income from this as more money inflows will happen and they can make taxes out of that, and their people could easily make transactions outside the country with the help of crypto and bitcoin which is good for business.

it is true that bitcoin has become a legal currency in a country, this is one step so that the future of bitcoin is getting brighter, but there is no certainty that other countries will follow the country's steps if the country's economy develops well. Of course other countries will follow suit but if the country is experiencing an economic downturn, of course other countries will not follow in the country's footsteps.

We will have to wait and see but to me this is just the first step, this will bring a lot of investments to that country, my only problem is that this is not really a safe country to live in so I do not think many bitcoin holders are planning to move there anytime soon, but if a reasonably secure country did so we could begin to see a lot of whales moving there and getting a citizenship as well and forget about their old countries in order to be able to use their bitcoin directly as it was the vision of satoshi from the beginning.

bitcoin will definitely live on, and my thoughts on bitcoin are not the same as yours. bitcoin is increasingly in demand by many people and because of that bitcoin will stay alive. people are more interested in investing with bitcoin than with fiat money, because they think that fiat money will continue to be eroded by inflation. along with the development of technology, bitcoin becomes a new alternative for someone who wants to invest some of their wealth. so I think bitcoin will continue to live on, and get more and more valuable.

Fiat money gets devalued over time by design, bitcoin's supply is fixed by design and the demand for it is dictated by how known it is... we are still very early in that only a small fraction of the world's population knows about bitcoin. So with a fixed supply and a demand that can only be expected to increase in time, if anything bitcoin will be more alive than ever before as time goes on.

There is some fiat currency that got its value deflated for short years and I think it is because of the economy's hyperinflation and the centralized design of it that makes it deflated. As we see today, Bitcoin demand is increasing day by day as people starting to discover it. There is a country that accepts bitcoin legally like El Salvador and Valenzuela that use bitcoin alternatively because of the loss of the value of their local currency. Bitcoin growth is increasing yearly, And this could cause bitcoin to keep alive.

Bitcoin is alive because powerful people are invested in bitcoin and it's surprised for those people are inverted in bitcoin

Fiat gives a huge advantage to the government since they can print the money and then spend it before the goods and services they want to acquire go up in price, not only this with the inflation tax they can tax the wealth of their citizens and steal their money without them realizing it, this is very insidious but it shows why people do not like fiat currencies and they are slowly coming to bitcoin as bitcoin is the completely opposite of this and it is becoming a store of value.

Don't forget to remember that the government is us, we elect people to run our country so we believe that they are capable of protecting our personal interest. We can't just say that we will not anymore like the centralized government and we will shift to decentralized because it's not possible, when we say government it should be centralized and they create laws for us to follow, not the other way around.

yes, agree with what you say, some fiat currencies in a country are deflating due to hyperinflation in that country. and this is one of the reasons bitcoin will be increasingly in demand by many people. you said that el Salvador and Venezuela have legalized bitcoin, and I'm sure there will be other countries that will follow in their footsteps.

That is the theory but that is not the reality at all, corruption is everywhere and public servants forget their responsibilities as soon as those that are powerful present them with a bribe, when that happens they no longer serve the public and instead serve whoever pays them the most money and it is obvious that the people cannot compete with those that are rich, this is why bitcoin is important, it does not require political approval which is one reason why politicians hate it.

Centralization is something that we had been following and obeying through ages because anything wouldnt really be in order or being organized if there are no government bodies would really be handling out the entire herd.

It is just there are people who doesnt really like on getting mandated nor following up rules and intending to have their own instead and this is why we do see these kind of mentality.

Of course we do love freedom but of course there would be limitation and some consideration for us to go in the right order.