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I would like to bring your attention to a matter where when you create a new account, you are asked to pay certain fee in order to start posting. One of my relative created the account and faced this evil ip case (although he never created account before).
The problem is that he is willing to pay the fee too but the amount of fee is too low and bitcoin transaction fee when added to it, it becomes much more amount than the actual fee.
Is there any way he can pay the fee in any other altcoin where tx fee is not greater than the amount itself or suggestions on how to pay fee effectively ?

Use 11 to 20 sat/vbyte. If you are using noncustododial wallet that can customize the fee, you will still pay low fee. Hope he/she is not trying to make use of exchanges for the payment?

You can even pay 1 sat/vbyte ($0.04 with the present bitcoin price) right now and it will be confirmed, the mempool is not congested right now at all. But I will advice you to use 5 sat/vbyte. Bitcoin fee are usually low during weekends.

*Free discussion board*  :P

Usually, one would pay to avoid waiting for post submission and to insert images. I don't know if you've read this before, but you can buy a copper membership (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote) and upgrade to Member rank.

Bitcointalk could have its own lightning channel, but I'm afraid that there's no point on implementing what you may find needed.

You can guide him to pay at once for a copper membership and get the proxyban removed as well with it.
Details here: -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

AFAIK, minimum BTC that can be send right now is 546 satoshis and anything below will be considered as dust amount which won't be accepted into blockchain. And the fee you need to pay depends on the evil score and if your evil fee is less than 546 satoshis then no need to worry just send that minimum amount and your proxy ban will be lifted after the required number of confirmation.

Besides paying the fee, there's also the option for your relative to get whitelisted and be able to post without paying the proxy ban fee, I don't know how often this works, but it was used during the forum hack when transactions for proxybans were not processed and users were manually whitelisted.
Post the account username here and hope a staff or admin addresses it.

Indirectly, there's another way to pay with "grin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098450.0)" but I'm not sure about its fees...

• Click the link @BlackHatCoiner and @JohnBitCo provided, then pay attention to the very last line:
  
  Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote
  You can also pay via grin.

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Tell them to follow what's in the fourth paragraph ^{[assuming that the proxy ban page hasn't changed since this "screenshot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5333243.msg56893383#msg56893383)" was uploaded]} of the "remove proxyban" page:

If that's the case, I'd be willing to make the payment for the new user in exchange for a common altcoin (say Litecoin). Feel free to send me a PM about this.

Are you sure about this?
There's nothing on the proxy ban displayed message that suggests that once one pays for copper membership, the ban will be lifted.

If  buy a copper member without paying the fee,me don't have to pay the fee anymore?

When was this thing added? And why? Pay to join a forum is absurd.

Normally, if the evil fee has been paid before, then the evil fee will still be subtracted from the copper membership fee charge while paying for coppper membership in which the evil fee is cancelled.


While paying for copper membership, there is a certain address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote) in which the Bitcoin will be paid to, also the amount paid is certain specific amount that will signal that the newly registered account if paying for coppper membership. So, this makes me believe that paying for coppper membership will lead to the new registered user to have copper member account account in which the evil fee is also not needed.

Copper membership includes whitelisting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175905.msg52180536#msg52180536).

Use bitcoin Segwait wallet to pay the fee, These days transactions with 1sat/vB are getting confirmed in 30 minutes if there aren't many transactions in the recent Blocks.

And the fee for 1sat/vB in Segwit is around 100-200 Satoshi which should do that job.

I have no idea when exactly was this thing with evil fee added, but the goal was to make it harder for account farmers to make bunch of accounts from the same IP.  While this measure probably won't stop account farmers as they will find a "clean" IP and keep on with bussines as usual, it might deter genuine users that came to bitcointalk for the first time.

Honestly, if I was met with the same message, asking me to pay some evil fee on them forum I visited for the first time (and I know some people that experienced exactly that) I would just say fuck it and never come back again

Everything is correct. For the first time, a person who comes here will ask why his IP is blacklisted? And there are two ways. Either he just leaves, or he buys himself a proxy, VPN, soks4, or socks 5. Well, in general, if you want to be here and open only one account, there is always a way out.
But if you need more accounts, this can be a problem.
 As always, I am beginning to suspect that this might be strange.
The OP recently woke up to ask one question?
Looking at his previous activities, we see a deleted post in which the OP offers agriculture-related services.
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5295/52954589.html
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197968.msg52954589#msg52954589
And based on this, we can assume where the evil IP could come from, or from its "relative". ;D

Only abused IP ranges have to pay a fee. The fee is an anti-abuse measure, and it is not meant to be (and isn't) much of a source of revenue.

If any very-veteran members want to volunteer, I can give you the ability to whitelist users. (All Staff can already whitelist users, as well.) Perhaps then someone could create a topic like "List of email addresses for people who can whitelist you for free", which I could link-to on the evil fee page. However, these IPs have evil for a reason. If it was sufficient for them to just solve a captcha or something, I'd have them do that. Before whitelisting someone, you have to do something to be pretty sure that they're not evading a ban and just going to get banned again. You may get the impression from complaints on the forum that everyone hits the fee and it's never warranted, but this is selection bias: the fee is more rare, and the vast majority of accounts that hit it should not be whitelisted.

I'm willing to give this a shot.

I'm not sure what would be my best approach for this, other than not posting my criteria publicly.

I do not think I pass as very-veteran, but I'll be interested in giving it a shot if given the opportunity

This would be difficult to ascertain and cannot be 100% efficient, but would be more efficient than a payment mechanism which simply allows anyone in as long as they can pay the gate fee while forcing a few to pay a fee for something they know nothing about.

I'm interested in this one as well...

If volunteers are limited in the exact same way that we are when it comes to connecting the dots for alt accounts, then I think the current staff would probably do a much better ^{[more accurate]} job ^{[assuming they have additional resources at their disposal]}.

I am not against paying fees, but personally, if I registered for the forum to learn about bitcoin and was asked to pay with bitcoin, I would stop using it.
Also, most beginners do not know how to control fees and may end up paying a lot of fees if they have Bitcoin at all. :)

+1. if it possible.

Are there any plans to include the Lightning Network or pay these amounts with it or any altcoins?

I am just wondering how you would be able to detect that the user who asks to be whitelisted is genuine and not an already banned user coming back with a brand new IP (VPN, proxy, TOR), new email address, new username, and no connection with previously used BTC/ETH or other addresses. That could prove to be a tough background check.   

I think this will require a KYC as i don't see any other way to monitor it. A ban user (IP based) can always go the public internet cafe and make a new account. Still wondering without KYC, is there any possibility ?

I'll convey this message. Thanks for the help.