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We were told to hold token in wallet for the long term. in the earlier stage. most projects promises holders and long term investors that holding will generate more benefits and interest if they can hold the token for long term. today, None of these tokens offered dividends for holding, rather they creat campaigns for staking and ask investors to deposit.
My questions, are the long term benefits of crypto changing or it is just useless to hold since you can partake in farming and staking programs.

Positive perception means it will naturally create benefits and lead to the value we will get, today we are not given the option to generate more profits, no tokens offer higher dividends.

Even if you want long-term change from now on, then what needs to be done is to think about a good investment pattern, while Crypto will continue to develop by itself, if today's opportunities do not allow us to sell tokens, why do we want to sell in very large quantities?

Likewise with participating in the staking program, whether it has an impact on the dividends we have collected, or next year is much more profitable than this year, the formula still uses two patterns. First, if the current dividend is not balanced with capital, it needs to be maintained so that next year can be maximized, Second, if the dividend is able to provide this year far from capital, then what must be done is to release it.

Well, for now the market is chaotic, can we take advantage of dividends, don't we need to be patient to achieve maximum dividends and give us big profits for us to enjoy.

Long term holding will depend on which coins/tokens you’ll hold and if they promised you something in return, I considered that as gambling and too risky because there’s no assurance for that fixed dividends. Which project you’re talking here?

Don’t invest and hold only to earn dividends, that’s small money as far as I know and if you are going to invest with small capital, that’s not worth it. Better to buy the top coins and hold it until the price pump again, the probability to make money here are much more possible to happen.

Of course there are many coins that are very promising for us to hold in the long term such as eth, doge, bnb and other coins that have a pretty good coin development, so if we want to hold coins for a long time of course we have them. you are required to be really careful in doing this. enough analysis so that once we hold the coin, its development will continue to increase from year to year.

If you are looking to hold for a long time then Bitcoin would be the better choice of investments while altcoins are good for dumping and acquiring for small amounts. Do not commit to holding a altcoin for long because they promise dividends because most tokens do not last a long time after the hype they start with.

It's useless for those projects that belongs to fraud developers that doesn't care for community. Farming and staking depends on how their specific groups will create a strong funding that will cater the dividends. Long term is not bad as long as you knew the goals of your token market. Without knowledge will always tend to lose in the long run, so better scrutinize everything before choosing an asset for holdings.

Just take note that, farming/yield farming is not guaranteed a return or huge return, there are some yield farming these days that are having "IMPERMANENT LOSS", so if you are familiar with it, you should be aware of it before doing yield farmings.
For me, the long-term benefits if a project is active and their roadmap is useful. The long term is always good as long the project is good too.

and if the project is just relying from those users who will farm or stake their tokens in their platform for their source of income, this will not be a very good option to take. better look for projects that have other use case in the market, not only their farming or staking features. because most of these farming platforms will soon die down, once there's no more users who wanted to farm their tokens.
passive income feature is good but it totally depends on the platform itself, they need to have other sources of income, otherwise, they can easily fail on this project.

Its could benefits but it not a guarantee since in the future the price could drop and will give you nothing as return. So becareful and be picky for holding any token/coins.

maybe deviden rename with staking although it have different thing, but overall we got coins when hold it for some periode. Staking could work well if dev team active in developtment  , there are progress that sent to their community . Price could maintain and investors trust growth , if this condiiton met staking could attract new buyer in market and community will growth.

Long term holding is depend in which token will give you a lot benefit. staking & Farming is a good way to long term holding. Coz when you put your token for staking Your tokens will be locked for a certain period of time. Due to which you will not be able to sell the tokens. Together your tokens will continue to grow as an annual APR. Which will increase your amount of  profit

Holding coins in long term is based from a certain projects that have a long term to finish. And it depends on how the project will be in the future, there are also coins that are in long term but until now have low value and other no value at all. Just like what i am holding since 2017-2018 in my wallet, some have been dead and some are still active with their projects, that i am still waiting for me to benefit and gain profits from my holdings.

In my opinion if the dividends were making the developers need to pay gas fees and this is not profitable for them all and that's why they were creating a mechanism called staking to avoid the gas fees to distribute the reward. You can see that when the fees was so high on ethereum blockchain and each transaction needs a few hundreds dollars to be delivered to the receive's address.
I think that makes staking and farming were become the new standard in cryptocurrency
it's useless only holding your coin

Only the big investors will remain in the dividends project because they could survive even if the token price is continuously declining because their dividends still flow enough for them to live daily. But if the dividends you receive are less than $3 while you need to spend $50 a day, you're going to be forced to sell and find something else. I'm holding one token to earn dividends too, its not profitable because the project isn't used by people.


POS and DEFI token isn't dividends token. What they mean are the casino tokens and the revenue-sharing exchange platforms.

This was probably said to you when staking and yield farming wasn't even a thing. Why not mention them here?

It's either adapt to the trends or be left out. The crypto market today is so competitive and a lot of these projects follow where the money is.

Farming and staking is basically still holding. Some are done on third party platforms while others are done on internal wallets.

There are still projects that rewards holders just by holding on their personal wallets though. The model is distributing a part of the transaction fees to the holders. Safemoon is an example of that.

It all depends on the project you invest in. sometimes a good marketing strategy may not necessarily be well received in the market. Farm or staking sometimes in some projects can not be withdrawn at any time, there is a certain time to do it.
apart from that there is no guarantee that holding will always make a profit in crypto.

That was a development strategy for the price, that is useless if they sell the token self in the market, even they make a suggestion to the investor to hold that which it make nonsense. When I were you, I don't follow the instruction, If I feel the profit I will get it, I don't want to wait for a long time because the chance didn't become twice.

It's profitable if the rewards are tradeable tokens just like they do on Betfury and if the token is already in the market and the price is attractive to holders, you can stake or farm the token you are holding, not all tokens that you can farm or stake are worthy you have to look and dig deep if the project is for long term and, right now farming is the trend in the market and the market is heavily diluted with these farming projects.

Please don't be misled when the advice of hodling is given. Hodling is good but not in itself. Hodling the likes of Bitcoin and Ethereum is good. But it cannot be applied to hodling unknown tokens. If you hodl a new token, a token which has yet to prove something to the market, a not so special token, you are actually risking too much. You better use the money to buy top coins to hodl.

Most of the time, hodling token to earn dividends is just a bait for an unpopular token to gain value.

Talking about altcoins, it is so difficult to find something worthy for a long term. It is much easier to buy Bitcoin and Ethereum and just wait for their growth. But if you have time, you can do research and choose tokens of projects with innovative ideas that you believe in. And what they can give you is at least changing in their price. And personally I in staking, I don’t know why you are not satisfied with this.

That will depend on the investor because if they want to sell the token instead of holding it for some time, the dev can not prohibit or stop them as the investor wants to make a profit.
Many new projects promise to give rewards to the investor if they can hold for some period of time, but the investor is smart enough not always to follow the suggestion from the developer and the team.
If the investor is confident with the project and they believe the project will give them a big profit in the future, they will do what is suggested to them.
If you really want to hold the coin or token to earn dividends, you can try to stake bnb, trx, cro, coal, etc. But I do not know how many rewards you could make.

Its just strategy to make the circulating supply not much so the price could grow or just incentivizing holders. Sometimes project that have token want people to keep holding the token so to keep the amount of token holders not decreasing making it looks like a popular token.
But it could be other reason as well, no need to be confused about it, just choose what suits you best either staking or yield farming.

Gaining dividends is kid of a stupid concept with crypto. It is because crypto isn't a stock. It doesn't belong to a company that produce real world goods. Making it limited supply would be a better design. I know Eth is paying dividends and it is doing well so far but I still would't get so hyped for it especially if the project is new.

Don't mistake crypto with actual use cases for "tokens" that have no real use except for "defi" things like farming and staking.

Think about it. If a coin can be staked and without any effort earn you 100% APY, and there is no economic activity derived from it other than everyone just minting more and earning more and maybe lending each other, then where is the real value coming from?

I'll answer: nowhere.

Holding for a long times its great if you choose great coin . not all coins are worth it for hold it for long time . even just for hold it some coins are also not worth it. it must be clear what coin is meant. not all coins are worth it, they can promise anything but you certainly know things like that are just part of their promotion.

there is no great benefit in my opinion if stored in the long term... Only one or two tokens in my opinion have any benefit if stored for a long period of time.

Well it is changing and it is useless to almost hold, not just because of those you mentioned but also because that investors dump it off after the project ends it funding in the roadmap and gets listed in the exchange of their choice.
Most altcoins out there are just plainly just gonna end up a shitcoin.

I don't really understand your question as you still need to hold the coins if you want to stake with them or farm them. Also i think that staking and farming are a really great tool so that normal users can get some additional benefits from holding a coin for a long time. By holding a coin i mean to buy them and then put them into a staking contract of course. Most of those staking pools also have really nice APY's which are above 100% most of the time so it makes a huge difference if you just buy a coin and have it in your wallet for 2 or 3 years or you buy it and put it into a staking pool. That way you will have a multiple of the coins after a few years.

In my opinion, don't keep the token too long after the project is finished. I don't think it's of any use. I think, when we get the tokens from the project results, it's better to sell them immediately if the tokens are already registered in the market. This is the right step to anticipate things that we do not want.

Well i consider staking and farming is just like getting interest like holding and nothing wrong at all to doing it. But before you trying to get interest from a coin you need to consider how inflation that could happen cause the reward are from unlocking or generating a new coins. You need to understand the use of your token and the project behind it is crucial thing that can affect the price of the coin you hold cause it would be futile if the number of coin in the market will affect the price in negative way.

What do you really mean by dividencs? If you are talking about profit from working with crypto for the long term, there are two things that give you income. First of all, all promising tokens with innovative ideas, that will survive long-term, will cost more than now.

Secondly, I find staking campaigns pretty attractive, as this way you get both interests and some native token of project.

Yes, that's right, tokens that get dividends are very meaningful for those who invest, because the tokens they are currently pursuing are tokens that earn the same as investing.
and holding the old token will also be fatal, because the token has already determined the exchange limit.

Things you can't predict correctly for the future, if you study the token it might happen. but you should not expect too much on what you have. If that doesn't satisfy you, it's likely that you won't get anything later. But some people have different luck than others. I have some coins that I thought would be something big in the future but it didn't until now and it just became useless trash.

Is dividend almost the same as staking? I think many projects are up to staking now of course probably for a better reason, to answer your question it depends on coin if its worth the hold or just participate in staking for me participating to staking with locked up feature might be a little risky since the market is volatile and you can't do anything with your money that's in staking.

YYou are right lots of project who gives bounty payment then the price decrease step by step instant. However, those people who hold the token can get a very handsome amount from the token holding. lots of projects run the staking system for that reason holding can give good dividends.

New shit coin holding can earn cashback now is baby cake, you can see on coingecko about his contract address from baby cake but I am not sure this coin will grow up or down, but I see many time my friend show me his cashback from baby cake holding. They got cashback depend with how much coin hold in his trustwallet, you can try but what early when baby cake price going dump again because right now still pump.

This is a concern that must be looked at carefully, if there are so many odd things seen from what is being discussed, you should think twice about it. There are things that are impossible to fit into the human logic they describe.

looks like now the token is getting an upgrade. I'm not sure it can last as long as the CAKE token. I believe CAKE would be better with direct integration in pancake foam. but baby cake is currently also the talk of the crypto community.

hold is important, but if it's too long we will be left behind by many market trends and lose with the time we have. especially for those with small capital, it seems too risky. Don't just focus on getting dividends but also think about the risks that might occur. it's good to hold for a time span that is not too long, dividends can and we also don't lose with time.

Depends on what kind of tokens you are talking about because some of the tokens have some bad start but dominate the market later on. Most are dominating at the start until now they are still at the top and this kind of token is the most profitable since you have bought them from the start, those tokens will multiply their price as soon as they gain huge popularity in the market. But you need to be careful on the tokens that have only some good start because they were been made to pump and dump, this is where most of the newbie investors fell victim because they were completely clueless on what was about to happen.

Since a few years, the developers haven't employed the dividend approach. The developer has made significant adjustments. They were considering staking and farming, as well as attracting people to provide liquidity on the network. That's why keeping was a waste of time because all you'll receive out of it is a capital gain.

Never believe everything you hear especially if those words come from someone trying to sell you something, it is obvious the developers of those coins are going to tell you that the best thing you can do is to hold their coins for the long term, they do this because they do not want their coins to crash as they know this generates panic and once a crash occurs most coins do not recover, so do not waste your time with such coins and invest and hold coins that you know will have value years down the line like bitcoin.

The question is if this project and the developers can be trusted? Because if we are not sure about their background and found to be suspicious, you are just wasted your time and even lose your staked coins as it was possible that they never comply with their promises but instead to run it away.

I actually do staking sometimes but I use known exchanges like Binance for this as I know their capability to pay for us unlike if you use new projects.

That proves that if it's not all of assets will be giving good performance but did you assets were distributing the dividend? We are discussing about that right now but the time flies and everything changed
This time we are discussing about that and then so many dividend coins have become a failed scheme and if some of your coins were giving promise to distributed the dividend, we can take it as  example how crap the dividend based token was when there was no platform that generate the active income in the past.

It's not useless to hold staking coins. There really are those worth it tokens to hold but you've got to be picky in having those because you might choose the wrong staking coins. Not just because it's a staking coin, you're going to buy it already, no, just no. You still have to conduct your research and look at its liquidity or you'll just buy it through the hype. While you're doing that, look for those lists in different articles that have considered staking coins. There are too many of them and it's up to you to decide which of them suits your investing style because not everyone affords to invest in those.

True that. I know of a project some person of mine participated in one time and they asked the investors to hodl for a period of time and most of them did and after a long, while the price of the project crashed so bad, Investors ended up losing most of their investment. I believe if you want to hodl, let it be that you are the one making that choice because you've seen the potential of the coin and not because the devs said so.

I was thingking about staking coins like trx and zilliqa. The staking rewards are not to high, but reasonable. My idea is that with 10% plus once the bull market ever gets of again you will have some exposure and still earned something. I am still looking in wich coins i would like to stake taking into account the risks involved and possible yield. Cake has extremely high rewards, but won 't that affect tre price to much so that you ultimately gain nothing but only more tokens with extremely high inflation. Perhaps these are stupid questions, but i am rather new to crypto and am not looking for fast money, but for ways to make a bit on the long term without trading are daily having to look to see what is going on.

If there are errors in my spelling English is unfortunately not my native language!