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What effects, both positive and negative, does the fact that a substantial proportion of people that invest or get involved with Bitcoin in the first place, have the intention of making profit in a fiat currency as their primary objective? There are many people who do not fall within this category and many, who start in this manner, that then take on other ideals and ambitions. There are also many who want to "cash in, cash out".

it's true that most of the people who come to crypto expect a very high profit especially because they only wait for the bull market to come just like what happened in 2017. those who got disappointed in 2018 may still be here cashing in and out but i don't see the greater effect except they really add the volume in the market which is now more than $2T industry. majority of the new investors have the intention of making money as their objective. isn't this what goes on in forex and stock market too?

No one wants to lose, that's a fact.

Those simply ask to HODL is no different than the greedy sharks and whales out there. After all, every investment is a zero sum game.

Without cashing out Bitcoin or any crypto, you can't realize your profits that can be used for your daily expenditures or buying something you always fancy, like an iPhone.

Even it can be said that 95% of the facts that have made investors to double their finances. The cycle is short fiat to crypto then crypto to fiat. Just take a share of the profits. But the difference is with the Holders who overlook their short-term profits and leave the profit line to be taken by day traders. Brands tend to be more appropriate as investments, while those who take short-term benefits are only traders,

Positive: Bitcoin gets more publicity, the market gets more volume which is always a good thing

Negative: when most users are investors, it's easier to take over Bitcoin. Imagine government saying that either Bitcoin protocol will have to change or it will get banned. Most investors will support this fork because it will protect their investment at least in short term, so the majority of PoW and money will be on the side of the fork, and true Bitcoiners will be left in the minority. They will keep calling the original chain Bitcoin, but for the rest of the world the new chain will be Bitcoin.

Temporary volume is not good I do not think for the survival of Bitcoin and does not help us in the long term. I do not think increased volume atm has any positive effect. The negatives of people buying in Bitcoin and then selling at a later date for fiat are more prominent then the pros. The pros are that a lot of people have made a huge amount of money because of the swings in price difference and more and more people are hearing about Bitcoin which makes these swings more common but when that stops Bitcoin needs to be used as a currency because these swings will not happen as often as they do now. The problem I see with that is when this does happen Bitcoin has issues with fees and not a lot of merchants accepting it and the value could take a big hit because of these reasons.

No one wants to venture into anything that is not profitable but if I understood you properly, are you saying most venture into bitcoin as a means to make profit but get to find out that there is a lot to it than what they thought? If so, then I must say you are right. Most people have gotten more exposed as they venture deeper into the world of Cryptocurrency in general. We learn daily as long as we put our mind to it.

The fact that it's very easy to buy and sell Bitcoin for fiat is positive because it gives people reassurance that it's something valuable and that they will be able to fall back on fiat if they feel like it. The fact that people tend to care about profit in fiat and don't see Bitcoin as valuable on its own is sad because it means many don't care what Bitcoin offers but instead see it merely as a means to get rich and to use the real money (which for them is fiat) to buy things.
So it's encouraging to see companies accept Bitcoin as money, but given how limited these options are, some people might be so fiat-focused because they don't see it changing, not because they wouldn't want it to change and wouldn't  be willing to use Bitcoin directly under different circumstances.

Whether we like to admit it or not, there are only very, very few out there who truly don't care primarily about the fiat value. Some of the real OGs of Bitcoin have been this way, but many of them have turned into fiat-hoarding investors as well. Fiat is what allows you today to survive in our current world, so it's normal to see lots of people looking for it.

I think in fact the % of people who hoarded fiat before vs the % of people who are hoarding it today is not very different. It's our nature, to say so. The biggest (and I think the only?) disadvantage is that these guys don't care at all about the changes in Bitcoin's protocol or government rulings for real. What this results in is that most surveillance/shitty laws get passed just because the average Joe doesn't care about it as long as it makes Joe's wallet grow.

One of the biggest advantage is that these guys are usually weak-handed, so whenever the market drops the weak ones get shaken off and when the markets grow back up they're hoarding again. It's an almost infinite cycle of potential profit and possibilities to re-enter the markets from a lower price.

Investment would be always having that primary motive which is to make profits.It doesnt matter whether you do take profits in short time basis or would take profit in years to come.

Of course people would always be minding about converting their crypto into fiat because this is on where you could really consider out to be called profits.Cash in and Cash out you do say?

Its none of our business on how people would handle out their investment.We could have those bad impressions but to think we are sharing off the same motive.

No one will ever get into something without getting something in return. This is one of the many laws that human nature has adopted into since time immemorial. Heck, even if one is into charitable kind of thing, there are things that one is expecting to experience in doing such...now how much more in Bitcoin which is now a financial instrument? We all want profits because we have many things we want to buy, pay and plan to do in life. And there is nothing really negative with this mindset and if there are, then those are just imaginary or maybe temporary in nature. Bitcoin will never survived until now if this kind of mentality can stop something from growing...and if it does then that something is actually weak in itself and could not survive in a competitive environment in the first place. In fact, I would say that this can be a big test to any asset in an open trading market.

I can only comment on my own experience. Since I got involved with bitcoin, my way of thinking and seeing money was different. Bitcoin changed my lifestyle, I am not one of the ambitious people, I am one of the fair people.

I recently made some purchases to make repairs in my house, the owner of the store where I bought I could verify that she is one of those usurious merchants but due to the need to acquire my products I did not give it importance. I told myself that I will recover my loss at any time because I invest in bitcoin.

I think generally speaking, BTC is a form of investment which renders the majority of people considering this as an alternative way of income. Though the "super rich" people might see BTC as an form of utility rather than profit, the majority views it as an opportunity to earn extra income.

As someone who is living in a third world country, the opportunity of earning BTC for long-term investment is huge. The fact that I am engaged into this innovative idea that might replace the conventional fiat in the far future is an opportunity that I do not want to miss.

What ever way it works out for you no problem. Not everyone has the patience to hold for long. People are also satisfied with the small profit they get no matter how small which is why they simply cash in and cash out. That you are holding for long does not mean your better than them. We all have different priority in life. Provided nobody is losing I believe it is a win for Bitcoin as it was created to give the minority a chance at winning, which we are now doing.

Bitcoin was not meant to be a asset, it was created as a currency but due to her unique features it does have characteristics of assets as such used as one. There are other good and relatable investment that are good alternative to bitcoin that people are also into etc

That's an underlying activities that most people did everytime profit and capital takes place. Once you had an opportunity to do it nobody could stop us but do what we think could make us happy. Basically buying and selling is what it means when we cash in or out, depending on how we visualize things over us.

Most people will doing the same as you did especially these days where work is limited to almost everyone due to lockdown. They say cash in, cash out, it doesn't matter since it was their choice in the first place and we can't do anything about it whether they want to enjoy their profit during this bull run.

And no one wants to be left out when almost everyone is advancing it's a life decision-making if you want to be bothered by what the people would say to you. They should mind their own business while you focus on yourself to make the best out of it.

It's the reality.

We all are going to cash in and invest and aims for a better cash out as our bought bitcoin goes up in value. Everyone has that goal to make money after investing in bitcoin.

Nothing new to think about it.

Rather than the technology and its goodness on different needs people prefer and prioritise cryptocurrency for making money, because it has got the ability to make anyone to be a millionaire in no time. This won't happen with stocks or other forms of investments. Bitcoin has got risk associated with it, but the same isn't considered much as there is possible ways to play safe.

I can answer with my own experience here.
At first, to be honest, I'm for money only or profits. Since I discover Bitcoin while I am making money on the internet. So that's the time I can see Bitcoin.
But after some time, I started to learn what really Bitcoin is like it's just not a normal mode of payment. And the technology behind is superb. So my thoughts or goal with Bitcoin started to divert, that's time I am starting to accumulating Bitcoin and deciding to hold Bitcoin for the long term.

Outside the purpose of making profits, I don't see why an investor will take the action of investing into any stock or assets. No one wants to throw away his/her money even if it is too much the possess. Those who accumulates Bitcoin in larger quantities can say they are big fan of Bitcoin and are not moved by the short price swings, there is no one watching their transactions if we will want to believe in that. If big companies and financial institutions are getting into the crypto system, whether for the long or short run, they are here to make more profits, believing that the price always comes back up and goes even higher.
The technology of Bitcoin made it unique and free for all to use with discrimination of any kind, making it accessible to all from any part of the world, and that is rare to find.

Some of the investors are only focused on profiting, specially those who have big investments. They are not willing to explore what other things BTC can do but we can't blame them because most of those who started here thinks of profiting in the future.

Of course, everyone wants to earn and wanted to support the revolution of our new innovative payment system. Those whales have been there for a long time and they have become one of the reasons to support and maintain the price as high as they can until big companies come in and invested hugely in bitcoins. small fish like us has been getting decent profit from it and at the same time, we can also support the market with liquidity and some other necessary things to make the crypto market alive.

Every people will have their own reason why they invest in bitcoin or get involved with bitcoin.
But many people who already make money from bitcoin already changed their reason to get involved in bitcoin deeper to make more money.
They already see that bitcoin gives them the potential to make a big profit in the short and long term so they dig more to find out the other way.
People who know bitcoin will use it for two reasons: to make money and have an investment and try hard to reach their goals.

for me of course everyone who is involved to invest in bitcoin expects profit for financial freedom. bitcoin can improve the economy and also facilitate transactions on every major exchange. Speaking of economic problems, of course, this is a matter of daily needs, in the end the investment goal is fiat. because fiat becomes the official medium of exchange in every place of buying and selling and services.

That's what I would do too if I am an investor, I mean it's the name itself, investor, they're invested in bitcoin because they see value in it and not because they believe in it's future, it's nothing to be worried though, it only takes one person to believe that bitcoin could go above and beyond for bitcoin experience changes.

It's honestly the same thing with every single investment out there, there are people who don't have much amoxicillin of money in the first place and some of them just wants to make some quick money, at the end of the day, I do think that people who undertake jobs getting paid in Bitcoins have to sell their salary. There are a few people who are capable of holding onto the money because they already have enough for the investment. Those are the people who generally HODL. I do think that as a digital currency, investments are a personal choice for sure. Also it's the basics of day trading as well.

This is situational because not all would really be having that kind of mindset on which they would be tending to hold their assets for a very long time specially if they are in need or something like that.

Even myself does have that kind of behavior back in the past on which i do need to convert those coins for me on at least able to make use of it specially on my expenses.
Yes, its a waste since you do miss out that profiting opportunity and this would be your primary concern in most cases for sure.

There will always be people looking for what could be seen as a quick fix, people who
dont necessarily care about Bitcoin, just what they can get.

Until Bitcoin is widely accepted as legal tender everywhere  Bitcoin will always be liquidated
for FIAT in order to cover costs and expenses but there are many of us who couldnt
forsee us "cashing out".

Anyway there is nothing to fear as long as there is more demand than supply, the Bitcoin
you want to sell will be promptly bought up.

To be honest with you, I do not really care what Bitcoin users use their Bitcoin for, and it does not affect the network negatively, what matters more in my opinion is the influx of people, and even institutional investors into the network, what they use their funds for is entirely their business. Making profits is great, as a matter of fact, who wants to incur loss? It's a simple answer no, Bitcoin is used as a hedge by a lot of people, as a currency by others, for investment by more people, etc, I'll not worry about all that if I were you, as long as you believe in the network, you use it the way you choose, just make sure your funds are secured tightly, that's more important if you ask me.

If i may ask you what's the advantages or the major motive or obligation of running investment...? You and i knows very well that our primary concern into investment of any quality or quantity of cryptocurrency generally is to enable us to make a sustainable profit, yes am investor, and my major obligation Is to make profit because when i experience degradation in the market, it's very obvious i will be unhappy, so therefore the joy of an investor to make Profit.

Losing part of our investment doesnt really give out any happy reactions to it which is very normal and the primary goal on why we are here on this market which is a primary goal we do have.
Cash in then cash out if we do have the chance.

Risks is part and some of them arent aware and this is where learnings do comes next and on the time that we are already aware on how this works
then it is just normal that we are minding off this common goal.

well, in this forum. there are many just posting with "$100k by" and "how do we get more people to buy".. these people are the ones with a exit plan to go back to fiat. these are not what i define as true bitcoiners. they are fiat enrichment supporters, just temporarily using bitcoin to enriich their fiat life.

however there are alot of people discussing technical aspects and features of bitcoin. wanting payment services that allow normal shopping to be bitcoin accepted, so that they can buy pizza with bitcoin instead of converting back to fiat to buy food, also those wanting bitcoin to scale to allow more transactions, and such to have cheaper sat fee's so they can use bitcoin.

its easy to spot the fiat enrichment group, because they only post about price. and their desires for a high future price.

its easy to spot true bitcoiners because they discuss bitcoin features and wanting to use bitcoin for normal life stuff

most of them invest here for profit, but many of the beginners are not familiar with the performance of cryptocurrencies, so they are played with a psychology that is less profitable, because many of them are greedy and do not take the opportunity to get out of the market.