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I want to revisit this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348920.msg57455826#msg57455826) by nutildah, which was preceded by this post by philipma1957:

https://i.imgur.com/0mo9Zw3.png

The thread is locked and I'm too tired and lazy to quote the posts properly.  But the jist of it is that both nutildah and philipma1957 accused KingsDen and Magicalking of being alt accounts, and after that it seems like it was just forgotten about.  The reason why I've started this thread is because I got requests by both KingsDen and Magicalking via PM for post history reviews, and they came about 2.5 hours apart.  I'm reluctant to post the PMs here, so I'll just add that both started off their request with "sir" and both used the world "humbly".

I'm happy to do post history reviews, but there's no way in hell I'm doing it for a pair of alt accounts.  Does anyone have solid evidence that these two accounts are connected?  I'd like to hear opinions, thoughts, anything, including what Magicalking and KingsDen have to say about this.

Probably. I'm curious as to what you mean by "post history review." They wanted you to look through their posts for... merits? Whatever its for, yes, that's particularly peculiar.

What got me was how often they both talk about what a newbie they are. They're still doing it.



The very first post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5340764.msg57114510#msg57114510) by KingsDen was instructions on what newbies and older members should be doing. It was a plea constructed for merit right out of the gate.

Every post by either account is a gross attempt to suck up merit and devoid of original thought, but at the end of the day he's not hurting anybody so who cares. Kind of like RainbowCityDAO Guy.

If they were both enrolled in the same campaign that might raise some eyebrows but without concrete evidence, its not enough to confirm them as alts.

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Here's an example of what I mean by "devoid of original thought":

Research on Bitcoin adoption in Nigeria (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5363524.msg58075577#msg58075577)

This post is just a long, oddly strung-together collection of other people's words. From the post:


That is directly plagiarized from this article (https://www.yahoo.com/now/nigeria-lion-africa-bitcoin-p2p-140054623.html):

https://i.ibb.co/3107LkM/mk5.png

Despite his huge list of "references" (more like sources of copied material), he failed to mention the yahoo article the above-text is from, which means this is a pretty straightforward case of plagiarism.


Everything he ever did was for the sake of achieving merits.  ::)

The Pharmacist has offered this several times: users can PM him to ask a review of their posts (for Merit).

It's nice to see how those obvious efforts to earn Merit totally fail nowadays.

I've mentioned it before: dumping a list of references shouldn't be allowed by the forum: posts should specifically highlight (ideally by quoting) which part comes from which source.

My attention was called to this thread few hours ago, I would have been mute about this thread just that OP stated that he would like to know what I have to say.

1. I have been unofficially linked with @Magicalking before, but it didn't bother me much. But now it has appeared as a thread especially from someone I value much, so the essence of this reply.

2. I am pained that I am not unique and exceptional, if someone can easily be linked with me, it shows I have not created a niche to myself. Though it's because I'm in a community where I have little knowledge.

3. For the Pm:
I want to state it that I am not a user that bugs people in Pm. From my newbie days till date, the only user I frequent his inbox for questions and directions is @The Pharmacist. Apart from him the few I must have messaged once are @LoyceV when I saw my name in the list of low ranking members with high merits. I asked him what to do as my name appeared on the list. He replied that I do nothing but to continue making good posts. Another was @Lovesmayfamilis when he posted about Bounty hunting, I asked him about it and he sent me a link to what Bounty hunting is about.
Then to @Jay JuanGee when I noticed he made 20,000+ posts creating only 2 topics. Then to @Quickseller in appreciation for the first 4merits even when I was hitted much as a newbie.

4. @The Pharmacist, sir, I want to make public my Pm to you for a post review and why I did so.


It's more than a month you made this offer to me, so yesterday I decided to ask for a review. When applying for anything, I think the word "Humbly" is often used. And also "Sir" is my polite way to formally address any man, especially whom I don't know in person. So, I will like you to make the pm of @Magicalking public let the community see aswell.
If @Magicalking is my alt, why will I not atleast have patience of 1 to 2days before Pm you with my alt even if I am a dumb.

5. For Plagiarism:
I hate plagiarism and have made some posts telling newbies to avoid plagiarism. If @Magicalking is my alt, why will I not commit plagiarism in one account and commit in another?

From what @Nutilda said


I am always pained when people's accounts are banned for avoidable mistakes as plagiarism. But if @Magicalking plagerised, I call on the moderators to do the needful please. It will go along way not to dent my reputation in this forum.

6. For the newbies, I wish everyone of you can read this. I have recieved some pms from lower ranking members, saying they love my topics and my growth in the forum.
Please and Please, stop admiring me, I have nothing and no good knowledge about cryptocurrencies. There are reputable members with thousands of merits, admire them instead and follow their methods of posting.I am saying this because I have seen two Jr. members who created topics in Bitcoin Discussion board by paraphrasing my idea/post. I am just watching for it to repeat again.
@Magicalking I noticed you created your account barely 1 month after I joined this forum. If you have been following my method of posting, desist from it please. Any lower-ranked member following the pattern of a fellow lower-ranked member will at the end endanger himself and whom he admires.

7. Finally, I have stopped creating topics because when I do it attracts attacks and envy from some people and yet others benefits from it. I wish to be replying to threads, learning and completing my weekly tasks for now.
I least expected that my name will appear here, but it's part of the system.
@The Pharmacist, you have really done well for me right from my newbie days. I appreciate you. But, I don't know anyone as @Magicalking, I am myself, if not me, I don't wish to be anyone else.
Thanks!

I think he just dumped a random list of links. There are some duplicates, someone's LinkedIn profile (? - not sure, requires login), and the one that I highlighted doesn't even contain any text, just links to apps or some shit like that, i.e. spam.

Sir Pharmacist, since this is about merits, you should just go with your gut and not waste your time on suspicious characters. You don't need a definitive proof one way or another, and it's ok to send merits to sockpuppets if they make good posts but if you don't feel comfortable - I'm sure there are many legit users who will enjoy your merits.

I'm surprised you haven't seen me offer that to members before, because I've written it in quite a few threads over the course of a number of months.  I encourage lower-ranking members (below Legendary at least) to PM me, asking me to review their post history in search of any posts deserving of merits.  I'm happy to do it, and it gives me a way to distribute a lot of merits in a short amount of time, which I think of as an efficient means of doing my merit source "job".

Right, and as you and Philipma1957 have pointed out, there's reason to think that at least one of them (Magicalking) isn't a newcomer to bitcointalk.  It's possible he was a lurker, but I find that to be unlikely simply for the fact that very few new members do that anymore.

Well, I wouldn't put it past a pair of alt accounts to do that, especially if they were greedy enough for merits.  I've had alt accounts PM me within short periods of time before, though those cases had nothing to do with post history reviews.  Some members just think others wouldn't notice a thing like that.  It's not about them being dumb; it's about them thinking I'm dumb, or at least that I haven't seen 10,100 varieties of bullshit in my time on the forum and don't have my BS-detecting antennae up all the time.

Sarcasm noted and internally chuckled at.  But the thing is that I don't want to deny two members any merits I think they might deserve, but nor do I want to have my goodwill taken advantage of.  That's why I'm looking for any evidence that these accounts are connected, so I can know one way or the other what's really happening.

Fuck it, that was a good post, hence the merits given.

That's the spirit :) Even if they're alts, as long as they're not spamming, I don't mind.

I appreciated the Merit shower (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206035.msg58046409#msg58046409) on my alt account too :)

You have done well by not keeping silent about this , at least you speaking out has shown some elements of truth  and sincerity to me @kingsden

So when this  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5363524.msg58075577#msg58075577)happens after I report a post for plagiarism:

https://i.ibb.co/MgQccQ1/mk6.png

and the user escapes a ban, for the second time, I have to admit I'm quite tempted to red trust users for plagiarism. It's just repeated dishonesty. I would never trust either of these accounts with a single dollar knowing how comfortable they are with lying.

Every word either account has ever written is a boring plea for merit.

OK, your post has forced me to make the decision to not merit any posts by Magicalking or KingsDen.  Magicalking is obviously a plagiarist, KingsDen has been accused of it, and I believe both accounts are controlled by the same person anyway.  In addition, they're both obsessed with getting merits, and to be honest neither one of them consistently makes good posts.

Sorry you two, you're cut off.  And maybe Magicalking will get banned, who knows.

When you report, won't the original copy be sent to the mods?

So even if that guy edits his post, there's no escaping.

Nevertheless, he had already fulfilled his plan, begging Ratimov for additional merits to increase his rank. ::) ::) ::)


Both accounts are cunning enough to suck up to the higher ranks. Many people like their flattery, mistaking it for praise. But just by this behavior, you can see all the falsity of these accounts.

edit:

Today he has already put a signature on himself and begins to duplicate his posts, creating a new topic. :)

I don't think so.

If a user corrects his own post, he doesn't get banned.

Yep it was on me to just report it and not mention it. Oh well, I guess I wanted to give him a chance to escape, so I can catch him again next time I suppose.

https://c.tenor.com/dkbdLcIsoHIAAAAC/cat-kitten.gif

You know in times like these, I'm often reminded of some words by my good friend Carl.

"This doesn't matter. None of this matters."

I'm not saying this in a combative way: Do you know that for sure?  I know I've seen evidence of it in the past, but is that an unwritten rule that mods follow?  Would the fact that both posts were quoted here make any difference?  I don't think Magicalking would earn a permaban for duplicating his own posts, but it might earn him some sort of sanction.

Oh, and I've blocked both of these members' PMs, as I don't feel like reading any of their BS.

Your good friend might be philosophically correct, but that line of thinking is a great excuse for doing nothing about anything, and I'm not having any of it.

You publicly announced that you would be happy to receive post review requests on LoyceV's thread . After seeing your post I sent you a message regarding that, you give me 5 merits.  Then I find this thread. I'm can't say I'm happy about the 5 merits now.

I was of the opinion that  anything copied from internet should be attached to a post as source/reference. That is what I did. I have deleted the post, the topic is not interesting...no one has commented on the topic and I see no need to keep it on my profile.
To  those accusing of plagiarism the references were well written it is a honest omission if one of 13 is missing.

I am unhappy about it as much as you are. So don't flatter yourself. We registered around the same time. I'm not one of those junior members that want to be like you.


Lovesmayfamilis do you understand the context of the thread you quoted or what led to the post? If you did, you would understand the reason I created a new thread for my problem. FYI a legendary member suggested I do so.
I am learning the hard way that bitcointalk forum is harsh to unfamiliar people. When did it become a crime to apply for signature campaign.

Let's create topics in each thread with the same information, just because you are worried about this issue, and you have not thought for a second to change something. In this case, one of the same posts must be deleted. Otherwise, it looks like stuffing posts.

I can't be absolutely sure, but it wouldn't make sense otherwise: why would someone get banned for a mistake he corrected on his own? If the reporter doesn't want to give that chance, he shouldn't post publicly about the plagiarism and use only Report to moderator (http://).

Showing a link is enough to prevent a plagiarism ban indeed, but dumping 10 links doesn't help someone who wants to verify what you copied from the original source.
If you use separate quote/author-tags for anything you quote, or just add it as a description to a hyperlink, you give credits in a much better way.

@Lovesmayfamilis I deleted the first post. You sound more calm now. Know that I do not appreciate your previous tone. "Begging for merits?" "He has fulfilled his plan"? I'm not a punching bag for anyone.
Stuffing messages? For instance, OP creates a topic to ask a question about merit, a person replies with a link to forum rules and advice...the second post says something to help Op, the third drops a compendium to help OP, the fourth and fifth poster comes and rephrase what the first or second person said and the thread continues that way to three pages. Users repeating answers that have already been given. It is common practice on bitcointalk, these people are not sanctioned. I am  not one to repeat answers on a thread.

Thanks for correction. I deleted the post to prevent more controversy. This should be my first time posting in Reputation. I'm reading other threads here, discussion here are very different from those in other boards. I'm seeing the other side of the forum

Yes I did.  That doesn't mean I'm guaranteeing merits to anyone who PMs me, and I don't think I have to make a whole bunch of disclaimers to that offer, such as the fact that I reserve the right to refuse certain members based on factors I believe make them unworthy of being merited.  So there you have it.

Only thick-skinned people with tough constitutions survive here for years; that's what I've observed.  And most important lessons learned in life usually have an element of harshness attached.  But more importantly, newcomers to bitcointalk who start creating a big presence right away are more often than not viewed with severe skepticism, if not outright hostility.  Why?  Because they're the ones who usually came here to start earning money as soon as they can, and they're the ones who break the rules most frequently and waste other members' time, because they have to sniff out plagiarism or alt accounts, report posts, give out negative trust, etc. 

In short, most newbies like you are a huge pain in the ass.  High maintenance and low value.  Not all newbies are like that, of course, but the ones who make it up the ranks are the exception, not the rule.

I did not BEG you for merits. You say something and turn to do something different. I made a post review request to a merit source who publicly said he welcomes post review. A rejection from the Pharmacist wouldn't kill me, self medication will
I will survive

That's... somewhat counter-intuitive.

I wonder what would the mods see then. Should be the original quote.

@Nultida, if you can appear in my neighbourhood, my alma mater or worship place and call me a liar, I bet that everyone will want to crucify you. But you did it right away on the forum without minding the damage it has cursed the other man. That is one of the disadvantages of online forums.

Again, Trust is not manufactured, it's earned, it comes naturally. I never expected that you trust me. How can you trust someone you never believed right from the first day he dropped the first post in the forum? But one thing is sure, Trust is truly valued when you distrusted someone for long, and one day you discovered you have been wrong. I'll wait for that day to come.

Below is your quote when I was a newbie. From the below quote, it's obvious that you alleged I was not a newbie. You so much believed I had been in the forum, maybe coming as a Hero or Legendary member's alt.


Sir, I believe also that you made some research but could not link me with any established member. Surprisingly, one month after I joined the forum, another user by the name @Magicalking appeared, you immediately made a U-turn to link me with someone I am older than in the forum. Sir, I believe you can see some inconsistencies in your judgement.


Concerning me and Magicalking
Linking me with @Magicalking is so unfair to me.
1. How can I be linked with someone that drops bunches of links in order to create a post. I don't think I have made any post with a link outside the forum. 95% of my posts are my original ideas, and the rest are quotes within the forum.
2. How can I be linked with someone that posts in Italy board?

3. How can I call moderators to ban my alt if found plagerising?

4. I have the feelings that the forum knows that I am not Magicalking, but what I don't understand is why the continuous allegation.

@The Pharmacist, sir I was so much pained when you said you blocked me from your Pm. If you say that you will no longer merit my posts, I can understand that you were forced to do so. But I refuse to understand that you were forced to block my Pm.
To be honest, anything you do against me pains me to the marrows. Yes, you once posted that you have no friend here, but when I was pretty New, you told me some advices that propelled me to this stage. I cannot forget.
Sir, I know decisions are made and decisions are changed as well. I plead that you can do some personal research and reverse your decisions please.

Finally, @Nultida you said that every post I ever made is a plea for merits. Maybe you are right. My lecturer also said so during my varsity days that every answer to questions given him is a plea for marks. So, he once scored me above 100%. No wonder I merited the first class. I do not know how to change it. Yet, I don't beg for merits, maybe my posts do.
Thanks all!

You will survive if you do not break the forum rules, do not involve in plagiarism again and do not leave any evidence that KingsDen and you are the same person.


Why are you so upset if he blocked you  and you can't PM him ?  What you want to PM him now  ::)
Please stop bothering people.

Regarding that link-spam post by MagicalKing:

@KingsDen works for me and one of his functions is to post academic crypto links as topic ideas.

The links he gives us are much higher quality than that link dump by MagicalKing so I do not believe they are alts (Also IIRC nobody posted an address connection on this thread or the other one). I do not know this MagicalKing guy however.

<also if they were alts wouldn't MagicalKing be PMing me about my site operation?>