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Title: How to spend smerits? Post by: SatoPrincess on November 13, 2021, 10:17:12 AM I was just thinking how full members, Senior members, heroes, legendaries are generous with merits. This question came after I checked my merit history and realised I have only given out 1 merit. Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality
Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 13, 2021, 10:25:06 AM Merit source speaking.
FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. Some don't feel they need merits. In my opinion, it's more than just a rank un-locker. It shows how valuable you are for this community. How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? I prefer meriting something that's written excellently and clears up difficult terms. I also like incentivizing newbies who seem interested towards bitcoin, to continue using this forum.Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? I think it's 50 per merit transaction.Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? Yes, you can't sell them.And what is your standard to consider post a quality Check my meriting policy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348133).Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: cryptoaddictchie on November 13, 2021, 10:44:21 AM How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality Depends on each users. Doesn't mean when a high rank send someone a merit regardless his rank he favors it. Cause the one sending merit like the post or response made by that user.Newbies always complaining why legendaries often received much even though they are high rank, well that's because of the post and not with the reason he needs some merit to rank up. With regards to my standard, anything that helps and very humorous is a plus for me even though his rank is high or low. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Porfirii on November 13, 2021, 10:48:47 AM Merit source speaking. Check my meriting policy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348133). Wow, well done! With great power comes great responsibility. I was just thinking how full members, Senior members, heroes, legendaries are generous with merits. This question came after I checked my merit history and realised I have only given out 1 merit. Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality Most questions were already answered so I won't insist, but thanks for asking a question that seemed quite obvious but isn't for most of us, as each source will give out merits for different reasons and it will be interesting to see which those are. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: SquirrelJulietGarden on November 13, 2021, 10:53:16 AM Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality It depends upon your available smerit. If you have many smerit, you can send more than 1 smerit to one good post.If the post received merit is good post, with good quality, no issue if you send it merit on your own standard. If you send only 1 smerit to a shit post, it is a problem on how you spend it. I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by: - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc. - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line. While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Upgrade00 on November 13, 2021, 11:29:53 AM How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? I do not particularly have a standard besides meriting posts I find merit worthy depending on the rank of the user (for lower ranked members, I'll usually give merits for posts easier than for higher ranks).Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality Give merits to posts you find quality and do not sell them or send them to your alts.My standard usually only expects effort from the user, some users would make posts without any due research and usually would not come back to check replies but move on to another thread. If a user makes an effort it shows they are trying to contribute to the forum. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? I think it's 50 per merit transaction.Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: UserU on November 13, 2021, 12:09:33 PM I believe it's 50 merits per month to a unique user. That's correct. nutildah mentioned this some time back on one of his threads. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Shamm on November 13, 2021, 12:36:45 PM Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? https://i.imgur.com/tw8kube.jpg There's no point in hoarding sMerit. You can send a maximum of 50 Merit per month to those user's thread/reply who've you think that is a quality and can contribute to this community. Since you've got 47 merit and already sent 1sMerit so you have currently 22 sMerit you can send it when you want to send. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Daniel91 on November 13, 2021, 01:52:31 PM I think it is a mistake to make a selection of members on the forum, in a way that the higher forum ranks don't need merits and the lower forum ranks need merits.
Members with higher forum rank needs merits for entering better paid signature campaigns for example. I suggest that you don't pay attention to the forum rank members and that you give merits only by the criteria of the quality of the post, the usefulness of some information ... I have been doing something similar for several years in this local topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4265795.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4265795.0) Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: pawanjain on November 13, 2021, 02:06:01 PM I personally give merits only to those posts who fulfill my requirements mentioned below
1. Post should be constructive and worth meriting. 2. Post should not have already received many merits 3. User should be below Legendary rank. 4. User should not have excess of merits. There are some rare occasions when I merit the post which is really really fun to read. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: isaac_clarke22 on November 13, 2021, 02:30:51 PM How generous?
Check this post from the thread made Coin-1, OP. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.msg58364214#msg58364214 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.msg58364214#msg58364214)) This is as of October 2021. You can check the first page of the thread for the overall. Check how each members in that list give merit to different users. :) My standards? To be specific, just a quality and/or a funny post would do to me, but it still depends sometimes. Just remember that nobody is obliged to give you a merit. Think of it as a like or react button in Facebook. There is no limit for giving merits to a post as long as your sMerits allow it, as what everyone mentioned above. Most of the unofficial rule/s were already mentioned below you. Just don't think too much of your merit count, and just contribute as best as you can. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Igebotz on November 13, 2021, 02:36:31 PM How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. I believe this is where individual differences come into play; I know some users who only send one merit per post and have done so for a long time, and there are others who merit post at random and do not have a set number of merits sent per post (this is where I come in; I give merits based on my personal judgment); I've given 4, 5, or more as the case may be and I've received 100 merits / post too. Quote Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? You can only send 50 merits to a user in 30 days. There is no limit on how many merits you can send to a post or a user, but you must not send more than 50 per month. You can do whatever you want with your smerits as long as you're not selling them (particularly merits source) or donating them to your alt.Quote And what is your standard to consider post a quality Because our areas of interest are different, what you may consider a merit-worthy post may appear to me as an offtopic. There is no standard. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: The Cryptovator on November 13, 2021, 02:47:58 PM As a merit source, I look only for a good post at least those are contributing to the forum, especially for lower ranks. Because most of the active higher ranks have been creating a good post. So during sending merit for higher ranks most of the time I look for quality posts definitely. Although they don't need merit for rank up, I believe the merit deserves a post. Merit isn't only for rank up, rather than it bears how is your contribution to the forum. Sometimes I give a decent amount of merits to lower ranks who definitely need to upgrade ranks. It depends on real-time situations.
Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 13, 2021, 02:48:40 PM <…> If you want to see the complete (or even partial if you apply filter) merit history amount per TX, take a look at the left hand side table here:https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ddmrddmr/viz/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/PostSummary As of last Friday, the overall habit was to award 1 sMerit in 68,94% of the TXs, 2 in 16,95% and 3 in 4,07% of the TXs. The said table displays the rest. Merit habits may change overtime, depending on multiple factors such as available sMerits, one’s available time, the novelty or recurrence of the posts, the interest of their content, whether one actually understands the content, the mood, and so forth. Edit: The 50 sMerits per month per receiver is really a running window for the last 30 days, down to the second (I believe). By that I mean that if I give 5 sMerits to an account today, and 45 sMerits in 10 days time, I wouldn’t be able to give that account any more sMerits until after 30 days have gone by from the 5 sMerit TX (5 sMerits at most, until yet another 10 days go by). Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: sheenshane on November 13, 2021, 03:17:24 PM Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? I think it's 50 per merit transaction.@SatoPrincess, it's quoted above of what stated by theymos, there are no official rules but as long as it gives a high-quality/constructive post or thread, that's meritable for me and the text length doesn't matter to me. There's no point hoarding your smerits, just distribute it correctly as you think it deserves to be incentives and it will also help the merit circulations. Because merit distribution isn't moderated by the Mods or the admins, though theymos mentioned decaying smerits is possible but so far that has not happened. If someone has proved that you abused your merit that could be punishable too, you might have a red tag by DT members under your profile. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: UserU on November 13, 2021, 03:47:31 PM I'm a little bit confused on this, so you can send a maximum of 50 merits per transaction and then, you can send it back again another 50 merits after a month, is that what you meant? All I know is per transaction or per one post you can send a maximum of 50 merits and I don't know how much time you can send another merit again per one post. You can send up to 50 Merits per user (doesn't matter which posts, as long as they're from the same user), which can then be repeated after 30 days. So for instance, I could send 30 merits to your current post, and another 20 to one of your posts from 2 days back. Then I'll have to wait 30 days before I could send any Merits to you again. But the cooldown doesn't not apply to other users. Therefore, I'm still free to Merit other users. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Magicalking on November 13, 2021, 04:14:51 PM The rule is Do not abuse the merit system...that involves exchanging with your alt accounts, trading merits. Merit was introduced to reduce spams and increase quality posting so when you abuse it you are threatening the system in a way. As you can see there is no use in hoarding smerits. It won't increase the merits you have. Deciding what is "quality" is entirely up to you.
TBH I think we have that majority in this forum who are not yet fully educated in crypto unlike those with legendary rank. That's why I would suggest we appreciate the effort of every member who keep doing their best to contribute to btt forum by contributing to the best of their knowledge. This way we are helping not just the member to grow but also the forum. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Stalker22 on November 13, 2021, 04:48:23 PM How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality Who said Legendary members do not need merits? I believe many of our Legendary members are still happy when they receive merits even though they do not need them for their higher rank. Generally, I give merits for posts that I find helpful, regardless of the rank of the poster. Of course, the number of merits I have is limited and I am not a merit source, but I am always happy to share a few. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: mm2543363580 on November 13, 2021, 07:45:05 PM How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality Merits are subjective things, you never ask for it but you get it. It mostly depends on quality of your post. At times one line post gets merit while a lengthy posts fail to get even a single merit. If you want to get merits just go through the forum and see what posts are getting merits. That will give you fair idea of what to post to get merits. Thats what I know about merit. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: nakamura12 on November 13, 2021, 10:11:31 PM I was just thinking how full members, Senior members, heroes, legendaries are generous with merits. This question came after I checked my merit history and realised I have only given out 1 merit. Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality I am not very strict in giving merits. As long as the content or post is constructive then I will give merit base on how well it is presented and how knowledgeable but mostly, I send merits when I think that person deserves it. Sending merits doesn't have to be that you agree with the post then you give that person and you don't agree with it then you don't send merit. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: hatshepsut93 on November 13, 2021, 10:24:13 PM Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality My problem with spending merit is that all the good posts that I see come from guys who already earned above 1000 merit, so they will get no benefit from it, aside from ranking on the list of top merit earners. And people with low ranks just don't make posts that would honestly deserve a merit, they tend to mage very simplistic "bitcoin to the moon" and "i love blockchain technology" posts. If earning merits is a hard task, then so is spending it, except nothing bad will happen to you if you are not spending your merit. So I want to thank the people who actively seek good posts to merit and decided to become merit sources, they are spending a lot of their time to make this forum a better place. Maybe without them some good posters would have gotten discouraged, though I do hope that most good posters are posting because they have something to say and not to just rank up and join a signature campaign. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Poker Player on November 14, 2021, 04:42:11 AM My problem with spending merit is that all the good posts that I see come from guys who already earned above 1000 merit, so they will get no benefit from it, aside from ranking on the list of top merit earners. And people with low ranks just don't make posts that would honestly deserve a merit, they tend to mage very simplistic "bitcoin to the moon" and "i love blockchain technology" posts. It's similar to me. I wouldn't say as much as "all the good posts that I see come from guys who already earned above 1000 merit" but most of them are. Only a few are written by lower-ranked members. To the OP tell him that once he has received the advice given in this thread, he has to move on to practice. He has to have an idea of what a good post is, a quality post. Of the posts he reads every day some will have more quality than others. Then, it is only fair that he sends smerits to the ones that have more quality. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 14, 2021, 06:16:49 AM Who said Legendary members do not need merits? The Pharmacist was speaking. I cannot fully quote it, but the point was that you better help others, appreciate their posts, the merits are more needed for beginners who have good publications. OP, I see that you take your merit very seriously. Remember how you felt when your posts were rated by other people? Was it pride, or was it the thought that you wrote something of value? I find people who keep their merit by struggling to find good posts too arrogant. It turns out that there are few posts on the forum that can be evaluated? Or maybe it is easier to relate to this? Often we come across when reading something very close to us, why not just deserve these posts? Why would anyone give a lot of merits to one person when by favoring more people you can motivate them to keep growing on the forum. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Pmalek on November 14, 2021, 07:47:51 AM Here is my take on the entire meriting dilemma.
This question came after I checked my merit history and realised I have only given out 1 merit. I always take a quick look at a user's meriting stats. Why do I do that? I want to make sure that the merits are not being hoarded, but used to award other quality posts. I have noticed that you have slowly started giving out some merits. That's good. You should continue doing that. If you didn't and I came across a post of yours I though was merit-worthy, I would have checked your stats, noticed you have received plenty (50) but given out only 1 and I wouldn't have merited you. Even though someone's post is good, I want them to be part of the merit economy. If a user doesn't merit others, it tells me that he doesn't care about the system and thus should not reap the benefits from it either. It's that easy. Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. Everyone likes to receive praise and recognition. The rank doesn't matter. If time and effort is put into writing a post, that "work" should be awarded.Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. I have seen people receive 20-30 merits per post. I remember suchmoon used to give 4-8 per post she thought was good. The supply is different from merit source to merit source. So you can't expect (although it's possible) a source who has 100 merits to send the same amounts as someone who has 1000 each month. Having said all that, I am meriting your OP only because you slowly started to hand out some of your sMerits to others and I would like to see you doing that in the future as well. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Daniel91 on November 14, 2021, 08:30:06 AM Who said Legendary members do not need merits? The Pharmacist was speaking. I cannot fully quote it, but the point was that you better help others, appreciate their posts, the merits are more needed for beginners who have good publications. OP, I see that you take your merit very seriously. Remember how you felt when your posts were rated by other people? Was it pride, or was it the thought that you wrote something of value? I find people who keep their merit by struggling to find good posts too arrogant. It turns out that there are few posts on the forum that can be evaluated? Or maybe it is easier to relate to this? Often we come across when reading something very close to us, why not just deserve these posts? Why would anyone give a lot of merits to one person when by favoring more people you can motivate them to keep growing on the forum. In fact, this is a very interesting question, whether we should give more merits to new members and thus help them. The fact is that new members do not yet have enough knowledge and experience to write better posts and contribute more to the forum community, although of course there are always exceptions. The question is whether it's then okay to reward their weaker posts with merits and not give merit for some other quality posts from legendary members because we think they don't need merits. This is not a simple dilemma to solve. I solve this dilemma by rewarding the knowledge and experience of older members of the forum and with younger members I reward their efforts and the usefulness of some information for the forum community. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Oshosondy on November 14, 2021, 08:38:19 AM Yes, you can't sell them. There is not rule that stated that merit can't be sold, but forum members against it because it can lead to scam or used in a way low quality posts will be given merit by the same person with two accounts using one account to merit the other. But theymos made it clear that merit source should not sell merit, it is against this forum for merit source to be selling merit, they should not sell merit.Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 14, 2021, 08:46:50 AM I solve this dilemma by rewarding the knowledge and experience of older members of the forum and with younger members I reward their efforts and the usefulness of some information for the forum community. For the most part, I talked about ordinary users who, while receiving merit, keep it for some special occasion, without giving it to others. But this does not apply to sources of merit, which, in my opinion, have such responsibilities for rewarding useful and high-quality posts. Pmalek is right, the system should work, and the assessment of the quality of posts cannot always be on a ten-point scale. Again, this applies to regular users. According to my observations, it turns out that the one who gives out more often gets it. :) Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 14, 2021, 09:28:06 AM There is not rule that stated that merit can't be sold Yes, any non-merit-source member isn't forbidden, typically, to sell merits, but there are some unwritten principles, you know. Just like you must not merit your alt accounts. But, yeah, if you're a merit source and choose to abuse the system this way, it's lots worse.According to my observations, it turns out that the one who gives out more often gets it. :) I have to confess that I'll be discouraged to merit someone who isn't active on meriting. Still, if they respond constructively, I will. Take DannyHamilton (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=60820) as an example; meriting him is like burning your merits. :PTitle: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2021, 09:45:10 AM I can't reply all your messages individually. But I want you all to know I appreciate your contributions to my development. I can't send a thank you to everyone and there is no like button to show I like a post. I will be borrowing BlackHatCoiner criteria of giving out merits. I have given 16 merits since creating this topic. I will be more than happy to merit any good post I find irrespective of the user's rank
Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Smartvirus on November 14, 2021, 09:45:30 AM Merit source speaking. Like BlackHatcoiner has rightly said, merits on a post defines value on that particular post and not the user. It is the post that gets which ever merit or merits on it and not the user that made the post. For sure, the merit accumulates to your merit meter qualifies the user as per contributions and to some rank but then, merits is an appraisal to some quality contribution.FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. Some don't feel they need merits. In my opinion, it's more than just a rank un-locker. It shows how valuable you are for this community. Now, the amount of merits to be given at any particular time and a determinant or rating for a merit deserving post is where it gets tricky. Mind you, the maximum merit that can be awarded on a post at a time is 50merits. Now, post are merits based on individual perceptions as, some users are more experienced and knowledgeable than others. So do the grading too likewise, when qualifying a beginners contribution. Should quality of a post be judged by a certain set of criteria, then we would have ended up having a more biased form of write up which would follow a certain pattern just to merit hunt. Hence, when it comes to meriting, let your experience and a good sense of judgement should lead the way. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Coyster on November 14, 2021, 09:47:47 AM <....> Just as it has been said a couple of times in the past, the whole issue about sending Smerits is basically subjective, it depends a lot on the sender and their perception of things, especially what they perceive to be quality or not. Another thing is that, sending Smerits also depends a whole lot on how frequent you receive merits, or if you're a merit source that gets refilled every 30 days or so. For example if you take a good look at the thread on 'generous merit givers', you will find out that a lot of users on the list are MS, that's cause they really do not have to depend on their earned merits, that thus generates Smerits, cause the forum gives them an extra amount of smerits every 30 days to distribute to good posts, thus they will most likely be more generous and liberal when meriting posts than the user who isn't a MS and is trying to save their smerits for the best posts possible.Having said that, personally I do not set any high standards when I want to merit posts, if I read a post and I'm actually convinced that the writer actually makes a whole lot of sense, then I can give out a few Smerits if I have any. There is no rule to guide you on how to spend smerits and do not overthink it, as long as you're not doing anything shady with smerits, then no one really cares how to distribute them. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Stalker22 on November 14, 2021, 10:09:30 AM ~ I have given 16 merits since creating this topic. I will be more than happy to merit any good post I find irrespective of the user's rank That is good, and I believe it is the right way to use a merit system. You have no use for accumulated smerits, and trust me, the more merits you share, the more you will earn. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Trojane on November 14, 2021, 12:51:40 PM Since the introduction of the merit system, users have been giving out merit only to quality post until the forum selected a couple of merit source who are allocated with a certain quantity of merit to disburse to only and strictly quality post.
Yes of course, you can send 50 merit at once and i think that's the highest in one transaction but the question is: What post are you sending that huge merit to? Whats the content of the post, does it worth giving 50merits at once? Apart from maybe creating a new application or site that could either support bitcoin mining and makes it fast,promotes it or something very creative in technical discussion or any vital board, i don't think any other post would deserve 50 merits at onew Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Pmalek on November 14, 2021, 01:26:26 PM Do you also check whether the user is known merit source? If not, your method could lead sending more merit to merit source. No, I don't take that into consideration and I am pretty sure that I have rewarded many merit sources with merits because of their quality posts. To become a merit source, a user needs to have a proven track record of sending merits, needs to be relatively known on the forum or his local, and have the ability to recognize a quality post. I only check to see that people who receive are also active in the giving part. Whether those merits that are being sent are source merits or sMerits, is not that important to me.I think it's pretty normal that a merit source who has several hundred source merits has an increased number of sMerits that he doesn't always manage to share. And that's OK. I think it was LoyceV who said somewhere that he has over 1000 sMerits. That doesn't make him a hoarder. He simply has a huge number of source merits, so he rarely gets around to spend anything else. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: LoyceV on November 14, 2021, 02:32:38 PM Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. It might be true for few legendary member, but all that matters is their post.But if you only have a few sMerit to give, by all means, give them to good posts made by users who can use it to rank up. Merit can help encourage them to continue. I want to make sure that the merits are not being hoarded But why? Is this under the assumption that sMerit is scarce? I may be biased being a Merit source, but if scarcity would be a problem, theymos can easily increase the total supply. I don't consider sMerit scarce, so if the post deserves it, I don't mind if it doesn't trickle down from there.~ If a user doesn't merit others, it tells me that he doesn't care about the system and thus should not reap the benefits from it either. I think it was LoyceV who said somewhere that he has over 1000 sMerits. Correct, I have just over 1000 sMerit "hoarded" by now. But I've sent 27308 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat) sMerit, so if I would have sent only 5% more, I would be completely empty. My Merit source adds 850 per month, and I've said before that it sometimes feels like a burden: No matter how hard I try, the next day there's a huge pile waiting again.My short answer: If you see a post that you think is good: Merit it :) There's no need to overthink it. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Rikafip on November 14, 2021, 02:44:41 PM My short answer: If you see a post that you think is good: Merit it :) There's no need to overthink it. That's pretty much my M.O (I am not merit source); when I see a good post I send merit. I don't think about keeping some just in case I stumble upon better post or anything like that. That way I am 99% of the time at 0 merit available (currently I have 1 but before end of the day I will be again at 0) and I help the merit to circulate. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: qwertyup23 on November 14, 2021, 02:46:47 PM I was just thinking how full members, Senior members, heroes, legendaries are generous with merits. This question came after I checked my merit history and realised I have only given out 1 merit. Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality Remember that in order to get 1 sMERIT, you must receive 2 merits from users across this forum. Now for my standards, it depends upon the quality of the posts and the value that it brings to the forum as a whole. Since giving merits is a subjective topic, it really depends on the user and to his standards whether he finds a topic which is worth meriting for. The only limit into sending merits is the amount of sMERITS that you currently have. Well an unofficial rule is that there should be no merit trading where you trade merits with someone in order to indirectly help them rank-up. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: GeorgeJohn on November 14, 2021, 04:04:25 PM Actually people give merit to a post according to the gravity of the post on educational standard or inspiration of what your comment is narrating. Post's deserve more than five (5) merit's but it depends on how constructive in meaning and how constructive is the English arrangements the post is all about. So the same is applicable to you op, because you can't exhaust all your Smerit to a particular user in a process that you want to uplift the user.
I think that you can't give more than fifty (50) Smerit a day to a particular person but you can give below fifty (50) Merits, and the gravities of post's now even threads only deserve ten (10) Merits from my own Perspective, because people are not researching again to create inspirational post like before and that's is the reason it's hardly before you can come across a recent post that is been awarded twenty (20) merits at a time from one particular person. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: SatoPrincess on November 14, 2021, 04:17:05 PM Merit isn't meant to make users rank up, it's meant to prevent that. It's a crucial distinction. LoyceV has brought an interesting thought to the discussion. It never occurred to me that merit system was introduced to prevent users rank up. I know years ago before merit system all users needed to rank up was activity. All I have read talks about merit introduced to reduce shit posting. Shitposts do not get any merit so the shit posters are discouraged and leave the forumTitle: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: acroman08 on November 14, 2021, 05:58:35 PM LoyceV has brought an interesting thought to the discussion. It never occurred to me that merit system was introduced to prevent users rank up. I know years ago before merit system all users needed to rank up was activity. All I have read talks about merit introduced to reduce shit posting. Shitposts do not get any merit so the shit posters are discouraged and leave the forum it is not just to discourage shit posters, it is also to encourage current members at the time and new members after the merit was implemented to put effort on what they post in order to get merit if they want to increase their rank. I can only imagine what the forum would be like if theymos didn't introduce the merit system and other restrictions.Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: jrrsparkles on November 14, 2021, 06:03:17 PM Simply merit a post or a reply which actually deserved to be merited in your opinion, it can be constructive or informational or guide or solution to a problem or even single word so it really depends on every users. So spend your sMerits wisely and it will be better to spend for them who actually needs it.
Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Pmalek on November 14, 2021, 06:14:02 PM But why? Is this under the assumption that sMerit is scarce? I may be biased being a Merit source, but if scarcity would be a problem, theymos can easily increase the total supply. I don't consider sMerit scarce, so if the post deserves it, I don't mind if it doesn't trickle down from there. Not scarce but they are limited. Even if your supply of 850 merits is a significant one, it's still a limit. If you wanted to spend 1000 source merits, you couldn't. I am not bringing your sMerits into equation here.I look at merits as a token of appreciation, a sign that you created or made something that other people like. I like being on the receiving end of that appreciation, and I want others to experience the same. It's a team effort. Everyone should chip in. At least that's the way I see it. If I have the decency to merit you, I want you to reciprocate in the same way towards others. If you don't want to do that, it's your call. We can still talk, exchange ideas, agree or disagree, even do business together. I don't have a problem with you, but you don't want to play with this team and, so I would rather pass the ball to someone else who does. I am sure you understand that this reply does not apply to you personally. I am just saying "you" because it's easier. LoyceV has brought an interesting thought to the discussion. It never occurred to me that merit system was introduced to prevent users rank up. It's not a method of punishing genuine members, but a necessary step that was required to stop account farming, account sales, ranking up based on activity and low-quality posts, etc. History has shown that many members have reached high ranks starting from Newbie even with the merit system around. So it works despite the criticism. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: TheNineClub on November 14, 2021, 09:22:37 PM Even tho Hero members might not need the merits given out to them, if something they posted has helped you in any way, merit is more a sign of appreciation than anything else. The bottom line is, if you have found something that helped you in any way, show your appreciation by giving out a merrit. Or, give out a merrit if it was not something that you needed or that helped you, but you see it being helpful to others.
Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Daniel91 on November 15, 2021, 10:52:18 AM LoyceV has brought an interesting thought to the discussion. It never occurred to me that merit system was introduced to prevent users rank up. I know years ago before merit system all users needed to rank up was activity. All I have read talks about merit introduced to reduce shit posting. Shitposts do not get any merit so the shit posters are discouraged and leave the forum it is not just to discourage shit posters, it is also to encourage current members at the time and new members after the merit was implemented to put effort on what they post in order to get merit if they want to increase their rank. I can only imagine what the forum would be like if theymos didn't introduce the merit system and other restrictions.In fact, I think that with the introduction of merits, the admins wanted to motivate the forum members to work harder and write better quality posts. Of course, it is difficult to say how much the admins really succeeded in that. Somehow it seems to me that in the meantime, merits have become important solely because of the ability to participate in better paid signature campaigns ;D In fact, it can be said that this forum is also active due to the large number of participants in signature campaigns, who have the obligation to write on the forum, but this doesn't mean that the quality of posts has increased. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Shamm on November 15, 2021, 11:25:50 AM , but this doesn't mean that the quality of posts has increased. Yes your right Only few members post a new thread with quality, as I noticed earlier some threads above already tackled few years ago some member's choose to revise the topic instead for bumping up. Including me some of my post Has already tackled Last year and I revise the Thread. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: KingsDen on November 16, 2021, 08:21:43 PM There are no much cast on stone rules as regards the merit system apart from do not merit your alt or involve in merit selling
Issue smerits to posts that deserve it, yet there is no official yardstick to measure a quality post. The quality of a post is at the discretion of the merit giver. Maybe a post will be quality to you if it answers an important question that helped you or others. A post can be quality if it reaches something new or teaches old things in a new way. Then, the right practice is that you don't look at ranks before issuing merits. You rather look at the posts. But I think there are some exceptions. 1. Some people prefer giving lower ranked users merits because they need growth than Legendary members who are already grown. This school of taught is pioneered by few people (especially Legendary ranks and merit sources) 2. Some lower ranked members should be mindful of distributing merits among thier fellow lower-ranked members, else you would be linked as alts. This is an unsaid impediment in the merit system. I think the merit system is even more beneficial to the sanity of the forum than to individuals. Finally; as per the number of merits issuable per post. I think it depends on the level of quality a post is, the amount of smerits that will remain for the sender and the amount of merits being expected by the user (for merit sources). The highest number of merits issued per post I have seen is 50merits. But it is no longer rampant these days, maybe it is because the number of good posters have reduced or the number of generous meriters have reduced. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: LoyceV on November 17, 2021, 07:56:44 AM The quality of a post is at the discretion of the merit giver. The assumption is that someone who's posts are good enough to earn Merit is also able to judge other posts. And from what I've seen that works in most cases.Quote I think it depends on ~ the amount of merits being expected by the user As a Merit source, this isn't on my list.Quote The highest number of merits issued per post I have seen is 50merits. I've seen 100 Merit too, just not at once.Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 17, 2021, 09:09:45 AM The highest number of merits issued per post I have seen is 50merits. <…> I presume you mean per sender and per receiving post/receiver. I make it 45 cases above 50 Merits, which logically (*) would require the sMerit TXs in these cases to have been made at least 30 days apart, in order to surpass the 50 sMerit limit per <sender, receiver>:Code: user_from Name user_to name nMerits nTX MinTXDate MaxTXDate nDaysDiff post_title URL (*) Unless you have forum superpowers, which enable you to bypass user restrictions ... (check the list and see columns nMerits, nDaysDiff and nTX where nDaysDiff=0) Note: nDaysDiff = nDays between min and max TXs by date. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: KingsDen on November 17, 2021, 10:25:29 AM The highest number of merits issued per post I have seen is 50merits. <…> I presume you mean per sender and per receiving post/receiver. I make it 45 cases above 50 Merits, which logically (*) would require the sMerit TXs in these cases to have been made at least 30 days apart, in order to surpass the 50 sMerit limit per <sender, receiver>:I am finding it a bit difficult to understand this statement of yours Quote which logically (*) would require the sMerit TXs in these cases to have been made at least 30 days apart Does it mean that if a user send more that 50merits a time, he will have to wait for 30days to send more that 50merits again even if he has forum super powers to bypass restrictions?The quality of a post is at the discretion of the merit giver. The assumption is that someone who's posts are good enough to earn Merit is also able to judge other posts. And from what I've seen that works in most cases.Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 17, 2021, 10:47:07 AM <…> You can only send 50 sMerits to a specific account per 30 days, down to the minute (see edited note here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5370690.msg58422763#msg58422763). You can reach this limit in 1 50 sMerit TX, 50 1 sMerit TXs, or any combination in between. The programming makes sure that you cannot surpass 50 sMerits/30 days/account restriction, and if you try, it will tell you that you can only send x merits to that person (up to the amount that would aggregate to those said 50 sMerits).Since the rule is programmed into the system, you cannot surpass the limit, neither from the forum interface, nor back-office put based meriting fancies that some people use … unless you are the Admin, and may exceptionally bypass the rule, as seen in two occasions on the above list (i.e. the two entries on the list, each with 2 TX on the same date just minutes apart, from the same person to the same person, awarding 57 and 62 sMerits respectively on the same day). Note: The said limit is per sender/receiver in a 30 day window. One can however send hundreds of sMerits on the same date to different accounts if he wishes to (and has enough available). Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Shamm on November 17, 2021, 11:07:30 AM Note: The said limit is per sender/receiver in a 30 day window. One can however send hundreds of sMerits on the same date to different accounts if he wishes to (and has enough available). I have additional questions about this if you are a Merit source how many sMerit you have. Is it given by months or by week? If you are merit source and you Hodl your sMerit is it possible that it reach 1k or more sMerit? Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: LoyceV on November 17, 2021, 11:21:12 AM I have additional questions about this if you are a Merit source how many sMerit you have. I've seen reports as low as 10 for some Merit sources, and I know at least one source must have been around 2000 per month. Many of the "recently" added new sources get 1000.Quote Is it given by months or by week? After the initial lump sum, each spent source sMerit comes back exactly (probably up to the second) 30 days later.Quote If you are merit source and you Hodl your sMerit is it possible that it reach 1k or more sMerit? The source Merit won't be more than the initial amount. The faster you send them, the more you can spend in total.Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Sayeds56 on November 17, 2021, 11:40:31 AM I was just thinking how full members, Senior members, heroes, legendaries are generous with merits. This question came after I checked my merit history and realised I have only given out 1 merit. Legendary members do not look like they need more merit. FYI I have read a couple of lengends complain they rather merit be given to those who need it to achieve rank than themselves. How about you guys, what is your standard for giving merits? Merit given to a post is usually 1 or 2, very few cases have I seen someone giving 5 merits or more to a post. Is there a limit to how much merits one can send? Is there an unofficial rule when giving merits? And what is your standard to consider post a quality As a standard practice smerits should be given to those posts which are informative, knowledge enhancing and helping new members on Bitcointalk forum but sometimes I also give smerit to Rank up junior members after ensuring their posts are good enough. I am not sure but I think maximum limit of sending sMerit is 50 and only merit Source can do it. I personally spend my smerit quickly & don't keep more than 4 smerits. Title: Re: How to spend smerits? Post by: Igebotz on November 17, 2021, 12:39:43 PM ~snip~ As a standard practice smerits should be given to those posts which are informative, knowledge enhancing and helping new members on Bitcointalk forum but sometimes I also give smerit to Rank up junior members after ensuring their posts are good enough. I am not sure but I think maximum limit of sending sMerit is 50 and only merit Source can do it. I personnel give my don't keep more than 4 s merits and try to spend them quickly.And you don't have to keep/store smerits; they don't add anything to your account, so why bother? There are thousands of people who needs merits; go ahead and give them to them; sharing merit is more precious than storing.. |
