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I'm not accusing anyone of them, neither we have anything to accuse so far. Just sharing because you may find it read worthy- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5301028.0

the charity fund which was supposed to be on escrowed

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This is bL4nkcode, and I confirm that this address 1CHAriTyyuCzLdXshSDVohyjgxTxW9Bhx is held by me and will be used as a donation address for Bitcointalk Charity Program https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122205.0. Today 03/20/2019 PHT UTC +8
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cabalism13 is basically asking whether the donations should be played with by converting BTC-->whatever and trying to time the market.  That's tantamount to gambling with other people's kind gestures, and that isn't right.

Shall we convert it before BTC falls? and just convert it again when BTC has a low value again?

I'd say yahoo62278 is on the edge of making some serious accusations--I hope I'm wrong, but this whole thing smells kinda funny to me.

As for the Plan:

My wife is currently  a BOOKKEEPER on a Bank, and somewhat can create an account for the Charity (if not it will be under my name or my wife). And after that the Passbook will be transferred to bL4nkcode once again, so trust issues can be cleared.

Has money been used as personal funds?

The lack of transparency is what makes it smell funny. A simple spreadsheet with donations and expenses could have prevented all this, and I would expect an escrow to require a clear overview. How else can the escrow approve expenses?

I see that cabalism13 is Finally Married so we can just speculate the reasons for splitting ''donations'' and how he spent his part of that money (I could be totally wrong).
That could also explain why he was less active in forum recently and wrote only four posts since August 2021.

On the flip side, they did post some proof and images of donating food, helping homeless, helping animal rehabilitation, and last one was posted  back in May 2021.
However, I think they should post some proof of transactions, and that can't be so hard to do:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg56247230#msg56247230

I am pretty sure cabalism13 and his team will bring us a satisfactory explanation.

Remember Master-P (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=89329)?

Cabalism has been online multiple times in the last 24 hours

I see that cabalism13 is Finally Married so we can just speculate the reasons for splitting ''donations'' and how he spent his part of that money (I could be totally wrong).
That could also explain why he was less active in forum recently and wrote only four posts since August 2021.

Where is the money?

Why has nothing been posted in the thread as far as activities?

Why was the money split period?

Was money used in Binance launchpad?

Has money been used as personal funds?

How much money is left?

Without me going through the blockchain, what was the balance when the money was split?

Assuming this is all a misunderstanding,

I, myself found a reason to make the charity more active, as we have received large amount of money twice,... So I think the donators might give us another if we settle and make use of the charity funds and not just letting it sit on the escrowed address.

I, myself found a reason to make the charity more active, as we have received large amount of money twice,... So I think the donators might give us another if we settle and make use of the charity funds and not just letting it sit on the escrowed address.

My only mistake here is not updating and giving the proof and receipts

No. it was converted right away using p2p of Binance, PM me for my bank details if you need it

To be honest, yes. I have used 500$ from the funds back then for the medications of my deceased grandfather, I even asked before I did that on my Filipino Community

I rest my case.

I may be wrong for not updating the thread for I have been busy
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I've been compiling this shitty proofs of yours despite of my busy schedule
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I'm done here.
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To cut it short, BUSY,...
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My only mistake here is not updating and giving the proof and receipts
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I wouldn't waste my time explaining more here.
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I'm being put to a corner. yeah my bad for not having proofs still conscience is 100% clean from this.
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only .4 BTC

What I said would be a fix would be a full audit. I don't know if they would be willing to comply, but that is about the only way this could be put to rest. Another issue is not all receipts were kept. Like I said some mistakes made along the way.

You're quite a funny guy, you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding was from the Charity Funds? ¹You might want to make a computation yourself.

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I may be wrong for not updating the thread for I have been busy² ever since I got offers on Telegram, what I can say here is I've done what must be done. I've been compiling this shitty proofs³ of yours despite of my busy schedule, I asked yahoo for a week but it seems not sufficient, You can tag me all you want, can't defend myself here anymore, just thanking this community btw. And I'm done here.⁴

It's quite nice to be part of the community for 3 years, I appreciate the help and others.⁵

BTW, am dropping it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation⁶

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To the anonymous guy who donated the money:

I want to give my thanks for the money that has been donated and entrusted to my plans, you can DM me for anything on Telegram @cabalism13, that I did not waste any money.
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I, myself found a reason to make the charity more active, as we have received large amount of money twice,... So I think the donators might give us another if we settle and make use of the charity funds and not just letting it sit on the escrowed address.⁸
Back on January, I PMed crwth and Bl4nkcode to help me out, and that was the reason for the split.
As far as I remember BTC was only on the 30k USD line. so you can do the math yourself.
The activity stopped on June, due to pandemic and several lockdowns here in the philippines and due to the continuous grow of BTC we decided not to turn it back into crypto and just make use of it whenever and wherever they see fit.

My only mistake here is not updating and giving the proof and receipts⁹

(if you're being such a dick like dkbit come on here at my place and see my status here) PM Me for my exact address, Besides I wouldn't waste my time explaining more here. Everybody should know I wouldn't expose my name here for such quite low amount of money. Now I see atriz reasons here.¹⁰

No. it was converted right away using p2p of Binance, PM me for my bank details if you need it¹¹

less than 20,000 PHP on Bl4nk's
and about 6,000 PHP on my hand as I mentioned before, even if we're not getting any money I will still continue this charity.¹²

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Thanks yahoo, now I know there are still watching the charity. No worries, even if I get that red markings I'll let you know about the activities. Especially dkbit lol, you really did get on my nerves.¹³

I rest my case. ¹⁴

Take a week time that you have asked for. I can wait for it if yahoo62278 can't.

I'd still like answers from Bl4nkcode as to why he agreed to break up the escrow agreement and allow the split of the money. Also, would like toi know the remaining balances bl4nkcode and crwth are holding.

This is the main reason actually https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg56017192#msg56017192, to prevent the loss of the btc value.

-Just a Quick Update to all, Funds will be pulled out by escrow and will be converted to stable coin, as BTC keeps falling so we do want to take the chance not to gain loss and keep gaining for the sake of this charity and the people that needs it.
-Funds will go back to BTC as soon as it drops by 20k -25k

I don't think it had break up the escrow agreement

This is bL4nkcode, and I confirm that this address 1CHAriTyyuCzLdXshSDVohyjgxTxW9Bhx is held by me and will be used as a donation address for Bitcointalk Charity Program https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122205.0. Today 03/20/2019 PHT UTC +8

the split of the funds is agreed to make more activities and causes, not only from one person (cabalism) and one place (near on him)

that's why after the pull out of the funds, monthly activities had made.

The transactions moves as per the request of cabalism or the beneficiary.

- From escrow to my binance address -> binance p2p transaction (exchange to PHP fiat) -> my wallet (gcash) -> then send the amount eventually to beneficiary/cabalism account. OR from escrow -> my coins.ph account (exchange to PHP fiat) -> then send the amount eventually to beneficiary/cabalism account.

From my points of view calablism13 did not make a mistake by splitting the work load of the charity function, ~, what he did by extending other activities to other person is good from my perception

What exactly was the escrow agreement? All I can find is this, which doesn't mention any terms at all:

Funds will be hold by an escrow (bl4nkcode), and for every donations TXID will also be posted here to let the public keep in touch.

Updates, Activities, Images will be posted here as soon as we have conducted such activities.

You're quite a funny guy, you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding was from the Charity Funds? You might want to make a computation yourself.

Thanks yahoo, now I know there are still watching the charity. No worries, even if I get that red markings I'll let you know about the activities. Especially dkbit lol, you really did get on my nerves.

may be wrong for not updating the thread for I have been busy ever since I got offers on Telegram, what I can say here is I've done what must be done. I've been compiling this shitty proofs of yours despite of my busy schedule, I asked yahoo for a week but it seems not sufficient, You can tag me all you want, can't defend myself here anymore, just thanking this community btw. And I'm done here.

It's quite nice to be part of the community for 3 years, I appreciate the help and others.

Another thing that strikes me is that cabalism13 is boasting about how much money he has spent on his wedding, then he emphasizes that we are only talking about 0.4 Bitcoins that were split between three people, when the Bitcoin was at $30K, as if it was little money, but then he took $500 to buy medicine for his grandfather.

~as it involved smaller amounts the transparency was at a high level and the whole charity was run in a professional way. When someone donated 1 BTC and it was decided to transfer the funds to stablecoins things got a little out of hand with the obvious lack of activity of the members who ran the whole project.

What is not clear to me is whether it was something that in the end got out of hand because they received much more money than they expected.

I don't know if its an accident or what, but it seems someone has transferred 1BTC to our Charity.
This is a BIG SHOCK to me actually, I don't know what to do and what to say, but there's one thing I can assure to all of you, the money will go to different orphanages and other helpless people out there that seems having a hard living in this scenario.
Current Balance: 1.03331019 BTC

Spreadsheet Link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17grJGkBUN9mRpq-elrmZ-XFTdYWPXiB8xqMu5IZcYRA/edit?usp=sharing

Will never ask for more, Donate on your own will.

I think the donators might give us another

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If someone could give a brief TL;DR history of this apparent debacle, I'd be greatly appreciative.

I'm also wondering when exactly any of these members were going to give an accounting of the funds and their activities if yahoo62278 hadn't pushed them to.

I'm currently helping compile all the transactions and ask for their breakdown with the funds that were gotten for activities. I have mine and just need to input it into the final spreadsheet.

My personal target with this, if I were to receive the amount with the region, I could provide 300 - 500 pax. Of course, I would document everything and show you guys the step by step of this activity.

TO ALL WATCHERS AND COMMENTATORS: we're not talking about the 2 BTC here, but only .4 BTC

I don't think it had break up the escrow agreement, the split of the funds is agreed to make more activities and causes, not only from one person (cabalism) and one place (near on him), that's why after the pull out of the funds, monthly activities had made.

As for the remaining balance it was mentioned by cabal, the 6000php on him will be used this coming december activity(ies).

I know this isn't my fight and I wasn't a donator, but how was it that these three members were chosen as escrow agents?  I don't know the full story behind this charity, as I haven't read that other thread yet (just due to personal time constraints).  If someone could give a brief TL;DR history of this apparent debacle, I'd be greatly appreciative.

This makes it even more look like "opportunity makes the thief". When there's more money involved, I'd expect more accurate accounting, not less.

If we look at the whole situation from only one angle, then it seems to be exactly as you wrote. For the time being, I will treat the whole thing as a combination of various life circumstances that could have happened to any of us - and I hope that all three members will be able to prove that this is the case. In case the opposite turns out, we all know how DT members and others will react - you build a reputation for years and destroy it in a few days.

At this point even the donation addresses were no longer public.

Also good to know: when cabalism13 announced (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg56017192#msg56017192) to pull funds out of escrow, 0.55387486BTC worth 18,308.30USD (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/fd3785d343acc814bca7a7e5b351d5f63cdf02d78860db3fdb8f0c25b0b1bf99) was moved.

But if you are totally a crazy millionaire, man, I suggest to donate it on my Charity! Just go to Services Section then look for BITCOINTALK CHARITY

If we look at the whole situation from only one angle, then it seems to be exactly as you wrote. For the time being, I will treat the whole thing as a combination of various life circumstances that could have happened to any of us - and I hope that all three members will be able to prove that this is the case. In case the opposite turns out, we all know how DT members and others will react - you build a reputation for years and destroy it in a few days.

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you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding was from the Charity Funds? You might want to make a computation yourself.

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Everybody should know I wouldn't expose my name here for such quite low amount of money.

At this point even the donation addresses were no longer public.

They all three are not escrow agents. cabalism13 started the charity out of his own interest and was inspired by other charities from which one was hosted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300631.0) by the forum member and ex-moderator (?) Dabs. cabalism13 started the charity.

For the time being, I will treat the whole thing as a combination of various life circumstances that could have happened to any of us - and I hope that all three members will be able to prove that this is the case.

And his/their reputation(s) weren't ruined in a matter of days, though it may seem that way.  They were in the process of being ruined whenever the first bit of money was spent on non-charity things or sent to Binance to gamble or split up between the three members in question.  I'm sure they were hoping it would go unnoticed if they stayed quiet, because they knew a thread like this would be the result, as well as an indelible black mark smeared on their reputations.  Well, that goes for cabalism13 for now; I'll await the story from the other two.

In this regard I just want to say that I think I liked the tone and the way the other two members responded better than the way cabalism13 did.

Escrow should have prevented this from happening instead of sharing in the money.

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Yes, of course. The fact that the other two have responded when asked for explanations with a more correct tone does not imply that they have done everything right. And there is another thing:


We will have to see what explanations are given for this in particular.

Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread?

Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread? Been a few days and there has been plenty of time to present evidence of activities, proofs of funds and where they went, or anything else relevant.

As for some updates with charity, I have some remaining funds for the last remaining activity that I have reserved for the holidays. It will be on December 19. I'll update the charity thread by then.

I do hope everything clears out by then.

Are we even sure there will be anymore responses from them in this thread? Been a few days and there has been plenty of time to present evidence of activities, proofs of funds and where they went, or anything else relevant.

Are we both reading the same thread?  Stealing from a charity isn't a life circumstance that could happen to any of us, if only because not everyone will ever have control over the entire amount of money donated by others for charitable purposes.  Cabalism13 isn't going to be able to wiggle his way out of this one, but I'll be very interested to see what the other two end up saying and doing.

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A little off-topic though, not part of the liquidation or audit process/discussion.

The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.

 Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/16/asia/super-typhoon-rai-philippines-intl-hnk/index.html)


This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan) which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.

Not to take away from the charity or what it does, but personally I think they need to worry about showing their past actions and providing an accurrate account of the spending before another dime is spent.

My wife is currently  a BOOKKEEPER on a Bank,

For a person who has 80% forum boards on ignore (including the Service board until a few days ago), it's a little weird that you're the loudest in the Reputation board, as well as firing the first DT shot while everyone else waits for the final outcome. Red is irresistible, isn't it?

Hey guys, better if we don't get into personal comments here.

I don’t dispute the fact that things happened that shouldn’t have happened, but also that everyone should be admitted not guilty until proven otherwise

I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.

... their breakdown with the funds that were gotten for activities. I have mine and just need to input it into the final spreadsheet.

A little off-topic though, not part of the liquidation or audit process/discussion.

The Philippines now is hit by a super Typhoon Rai or Odette, I think if there's still funds remaining, they can use it to help the victims.

 Super Typhoon Rai slams into the Philippines as tens of thousands evacuate (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/16/asia/super-typhoon-rai-philippines-intl-hnk/index.html)


This is a super Typhoon as strong as Typhoon Haiyan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan) which destroys Leyte last 2013, so Filipinos really need help.

This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.

The problem with this reasoning is that we can't prove anything as long as they don't provide all data. By that reasoning, they can't be guilty as long as they hide whatever happened. I'd say that shouldn't apply to at least cabalism13 and bl4nkcode: both of them should have made sure this couldn't have happened and both of them should have made sure all expenses were clearly documented. I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.

and giving a date, as I said before.

Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.

Probably one of the worst typhoons that I have experienced in my life. At least my family and I have survived.

Probably one of the worst typhoons that I have experienced in my life. At least my family and I have survived.

Incidentally, I looked at their profiles and bl4nkcode hasn't posted anything these days when he usually posts quite a bit. This is total speculation on my part, but it could be that if he thinks he is going to be red tagged maybe he doesn't think it's worth it to keep posting. Obviously, this could be just a coincidence.

I feel you, we're in the same boat here, due to the typhoon the whole area I'm located experienced power and internet outage for several days already since the S. typhoon hit the area.

I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.

I think we should loosen up a bit here

On the contrary, we are giving them plenty of time to justify and document something that, being the handling of funds for a charity, should be already documented and justified, publicly exposed in the charity's thread.

On the flip side, they did post some proof and images of donating food, helping homeless, helping animal rehabilitation, and last one was posted  back in May 2021.
However, I think they should post some proof of transactions, and that can't be so hard to do:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg56247230#msg56247230

The problem with this reasoning is that we can't prove anything as long as they don't provide all data. By that reasoning, they can't be guilty as long as they hide whatever happened. I'd say that shouldn't apply to at least cabalism13 and bl4nkcode: both of them should have made sure this couldn't have happened and both of them should have made sure all expenses were clearly documented. I'm not sure (yet) about crwth's role in all this.

I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.
Also, I apologize for the lack of response and misunderstandings, hope this will be resolve already to clear all the misunderstandings.

To cut it short, BUSY,... (you can find my position on Paxful, tran can verify that)

The activity stopped on June, due to pandemic and several lockdowns here in the philippines and due to the continuous grow of BTC we decided not to turn it back into crypto and just make use of it whenever and wherever they see fit.

My only mistake here is not updating and giving the proof and receipts

To be honest, yes. I have used 500$ from the funds back then for the medications of my deceased grandfather, I even asked before I did that on my Filipino Community

I'm not seeing the connection between the boards I have on ignore and my feelings toward one member (cabalism13) who's obviously guilty of misappropriating funds.  As far as red being irresistible...come on.  Are you seriously criticizing me for tagging him?  Why in the world would I not?  And it's not as if I've been on a tagging spree lately, which you can verify by taking a look at my sent feedback. 

I get that you want to give all three members the benefit of the doubt, but with cabalism13 there's no doubt about what he's admitted to doing, and I suspect there's more layers of this stinky onion that have yet to be peeled away. 

You're right, but I felt I needed to reply to Lucius, and I also need to state that I don't have a problem with him and never did--and I'm not going to bicker with him about this, and I'm sorry his money was involved in this thing. 

Lucius, let's agree that we have two different reactions as to what's going on in this thread and leave it at that, eh?  I'd shake your hand and buy you a beer if I could.

from what I see here, the total amount would be "350k" which, I assume, represents "350.000 USD"?

you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding

"And lastly afaik, that last money was transferred to bank's Binance address and was converted I think about ~350k".

As for some updates with charity, I have some remaining funds for the last remaining activity that I have reserved for the holidays. It will be on December 19. I'll update the charity thread by then.

I do hope everything clears out by then.

How long we will need to wait for a public documentation, a kind of spreadsheet would be nice. There are a lot of conversations already but I think most importantly we need a proper documentation. cabalism13 please update.

As things stand @cabalism13 has admitted to using $500 for personal use which is completely inappropriate - but I can understand the life or death situation of a family member - wouldn't most of us here do the same and then return that funds back? You have the right as a DT member to leave the fedback you want, but I was confident that everyone would wait for the final outcome - especially since we now know that the Philippines was recently hit by a typhoon.

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The problem is (again) the lack of clear documentation, which makes me thing (again) it's part of the smoke curtain.

Maybe they used leverage trading on Binance exchange that is highly risky, so they could in theory earn much more but they could also lose everything.
Before making more speculations let's wait and see transactions proof and updates.

Just wondering could you make a nice Romanian wedding celebration with $350k?
I am asking for a friend.

I believe today is December 19 and we still don't have any updates from member crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) like he said.
No updates on Charity topic also, but he is active everyday participating and writing as a part of his signature campaign.

I think they said the deadline is Dec 20th, thus today should be a great day  ::)

crwth has updated the charity thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg58773342#msg58773342), as he promised.

None of the auditor would accept the image as proof of the expenditure.

I was disappointed too, I was to see a list of expenses. Now it looks like the PR-side of the charity instead of the accounting side.

I was disappointed too, I was to see a list of expenses. Now it looks like the PR-side of the charity instead of the accounting side.

I will leave the questions and accusations as is, until cabalism provide the whole list of the past transactions and activities in a single sheet.

The users are experience in the community and they should know how it works when it's a matter to present proofs.

As escrow, you must have had a better explanation and records I guess.

As things stand @cabalism13 has admitted to using $500 for personal use which is completely inappropriate - but I can understand the life or death situation of a family member - wouldn't most of us here do the same and then return that funds back?

Whats up crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465)?

How long we will need to wait for a public documentation, a kind of spreadsheet would be nice. There are a lot of conversations already but I think most importantly we need a proper documentation. cabalism13 please update.

I thought this is already settled by it seems they choose to keep silent.

Can you clarify what exactly you mean by "more layers of this stinky onion that have yet to be peeled away"? Do you think there is anyone other than the three members of the forum who participated in this and got some financial benefit?

If I were him I would've gotten a separate loan from DS for the $500 with a shorter due date... or used one of these lending platforms assuming that the crypto cannot be directly liquidated: https://spendmenot.com/best/bitcoin-lending-sites/

Good - where's the money?

Now let's assume we get this whole mess figured out. Should the charity remain open? Will these guys ever have the full trust of the community again so they could operate the charity if they ran it correctly?

Now on to the others, If 1 person is tagged then all 3 should be tagged. Cabalism13 for running the charity incorrectly and making bad decisions, bl4nkcode for showing a poor example of how an escrow should operate, and crwth for agreeing to go along with it.

What I really feel we should do is get with all 3 of these guys and do some kind of audit.

Now let's assume we get this whole mess figured out. Should the charity remain open? Will these guys ever have the full trust of the community again so they could operate the charity if they ran it correctly?

I am not going to tag any of them yet and I will give them more time to show more transaction proofs, not only images for their donation work.
It needs time to reproduce everything, especially if they had sloppy or no records keeping, but it can be done in few weeks top.

Now on to the others, If 1 person is tagged then all 3 should be tagged. Cabalism13 for running the charity incorrectly and making bad decisions, bl4nkcode for showing a poor example of how an escrow should operate, and crwth for agreeing to go along with it.

What I really feel we should do is get with all 3 of these guys and do some kind of audit. We need to know what the balance was at the time of the split( need to verify this via blockchain), addresses involved so it can be checked, expenses for these "activities" they did(receipts apparently are not available, but couldn't we figure out the money spent on these activities by figuring out what was given and the price of each thing?), and finally the balance left. They need to combine what's left, convert to crypto, and send back to the escrow address.

Now on to the others, If 1 person is tagged then all 3 should be tagged. Cabalism13 for running the charity incorrectly and making bad decisions, bl4nkcode for showing a poor example of how an escrow should operate, and crwth for agreeing to go along with it.

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Also, this isn't my fight since I wasn't a donator

I don't know how long it took you to do that analysis, but I've no doubt an even more complete one could have been done by the three members in question if they had the inclination to do so, and it could probably have been finished on the 3rd day of this thread at the latest.

I just had a try to put them into one place since no one was giving a shit.

You're probably right on that, but I'm awaiting the final tally from the other two members.  And I don't think I was being too hard on cabalism13 at all, since he clearly was mismanaging funds.  Even if he thought he wasn't, his response to the community speaks volumes.  This is not a person I'd entrust with my money, hence the negative trust.

Also, this isn't my fight since I wasn't a donator and had nothing to do with the workings of the charity, so I'm going to remain silent henceforth in this thread until or unless crwth and bl4nkcode explain themselves.  However, as a DT member (and for my own trust list) I felt a negative was well-justified in this case.

I don't know how long it took you to do that analysis, but I've no doubt an even more complete one could have been done by the three members in question if they had the inclination to do so, and it could probably have been finished on the 3rd day of this thread at the latest.

I just had a try to find all the tx links, relevant discussion & possible expenses. All this information was available on the internet. I just had a try to put them into one place since no one was giving a shit. You can find the sheet here- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z3nZePiflhAuPh6y_f9LxmL1997vdfeYsQo_hUyspT8/edit?usp=sharing

Relevant addresses:

33tZjC2ZdVib9JLdWZH4rg7HzhuuTG5WZd - crwth
32RYTtV6xGTX55i5QdfA7T8iWgAd2QK7yo - legendster
33c9Df6J6vkGU1cuX84AePoeH2qzuzbcF1 - cabalism13
3LjVmpw2wDWawaPGa8Lj5JYjYciXDAePbW - cabalism13
3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W - crwth
351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA - bl4nkcode
bc1qlk9s9tmsv79hk345s98atht534fac3qu0nrayu - probably cabalism13
1a3eegDyFQAotunG5CknN4JntFzfZC3Mo - not sure who own
bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem - not sure who own
3KwDEEzZycWYC73juBsrbjJjB1zumrx37v - marlboroza
bc1q20yenlspxprxk9dqttc6gue8yz02auth89jdvq - not sure who own (0.56622723 BTC received worth of $18789^#1)

Though cabalism13 said, 0.55 BTC is questionable, from what I can see, a total of 0.56622723 BTC worth $18789 is questionable without any doubt. This is the sum of the amount sent for converting into USDT (supposed to be).
But if I sum the amounts which have no proof, the total is 0.84272723 BTC worth $23,875.96 which in my investigation may not have any proof.

Since bl4nkcode was the escrow, I would like him to answer the following questions if he/they want to assist the issue solved.

1. Is my spreadsheet correct? The receiver of the amount, proof link? If yes, okay; if not, which one & please with a spreadsheet.
2. On row 19 & 20- total of 0.1445 BTC worth $2531 sent to cabalism13 & crwth. Where's the money spent? No discussion here at all?
3. On row 21 & 22- total of 0.112 BTC worth $2006 sent to 2 addresses which was not previously used by any of you. Who received the fund & same question as of #2, where's the money spent?
4. A total of 0.56622723 BTC worth $18789 was transferred to bc1q20yenlspxprxk9dqttc6gue8yz02auth89jdvq, who owns this address? What was the total value after conversion? Who had access to the fund? You, crwth or cabalism13? Where's the money spent?
5. Lastly, there was some altcoin address. Cabalism13 asked to PM people to donate altcoin. Where are the addresses? Who owns these addresses? How much you received on that addresses?

A summary:
Total Received - 2.12264434 BTC
Total Sent - 2.11662723 BTC Rest are tx fees
Total sent USD - $40943 ($23875 is questionable)

#1- Please add $25 USDT more, it was donated by tranthidung (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg54534025;topicseen#msg54534025).
#2- I didn't add the expense of the website as website expenses was supposed to be donated by someone else (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.msg50802612#msg50802612).
#3- USD rate is from blockchair (at the time of transfer.)

I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654

I cannot verify the amounts spent are correct. This is from cabalism13

Round numbers indicate inaccurate accounting: Snack and meals: 800, 1200, 1600, 1800, 650, 1400 and 8500. GASOLINE: 1500, 1000 and 500. Even I keep receipts of my gasoline expenses, it doesn't make sense to spend 2+ Bitcoin of donated funds without keeping a single receipt.

I'm not buying it.  The information provided is way too vague and without receipts there's no way to validate it.  Only one of the individuals even offered any information, and a generous amount time has passed since the data was requested.

And what's with the lack of receipts?  I can only think of two reasons why someone handling other peoples money wouldn't ensure he has all receipts to verify his transactions; malice or ineptitude.  Neither inspire much confidence.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2895
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2894
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2893

Ok, so I'm going to explain why I am going to support the flags against Cabalism13 and bl4nkcode but not against crwth.

As for cabalism13 it is clear. He was in charge of the operation, admitted to taking $500 for personal use, posted that donations were accepted at non-escrow addresses via PM and admitted to yahoo62278 wrongdoing.

As for bl4nkcode, he is the escrow and had responsibility for the money. Just yesterday I created a neutral tag with this thread as a reference because between people asking for more time and yahoo62278 talking about an audit again, plus the recent hurricane, I could see a couple of months without even getting a neutral tag. I'm going to support the flag and delete the feedback.

As for crwth I think he is clearly less at fault than the other two. If this were a trial for misappropriation of funds in a company, the most serious penalties would go to the boss (cabalism13) and the treasurer (bl4nkcode,) the employee would surely receive lesser penalty if he received any. Also I don't think we have strong evidence against him unlike the other two. In this case I will neither support nor oppose the flag and will stand by my neutral tag.

I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654

I cannot verify the amounts spent are correct. This is from cabalism13

Round numbers indicate inaccurate accounting: Snack and meals: 800, 1200, 1600, 1800, 650, 1400 and 8500. GASOLINE: 1500, 1000 and 500. Even I keep receipts of my gasoline expenses, it doesn't make sense to spend 2+ Bitcoin of donated funds without keeping a single receipt.

I'm not buying it.  The information provided is way too vague and without receipts there's no way to validate it.  Only one of the individuals even offered any information, and a generous amount time has passed since the data was requested.

And what's with the lack of receipts?  I can only think of two reasons why someone handling other peoples money wouldn't ensure he has all receipts to verify his transactions; malice or ineptitude.  Neither inspire much confidence. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2895
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2894
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2893

I'd rather noone got tagged, but that's not likely to happen.

As for crwth I think he is clearly less at fault than the other two. If this were a trial for misappropriation of funds in a company, the most serious penalties would go to the boss (cabalism13) and the treasurer (bl4nkcode,) the employee would surely receive lesser penalty if he received any. Also I don't think we have strong evidence against him unlike the other two. In this case I will neither support nor oppose the flag and will stand by my neutral tag.

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8. bL4nkcode (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=765632) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=765632)  +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 792 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/765632.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/765632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bL4nkcode))
9. Gunthar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=817682) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=817682)  +12 / =0 / -0) (113 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/817682.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/817682.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Gunthar))
10. panganib999 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=833483) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=833483) neutral) (43 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/833483.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/833483.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=panganib999))
11. Yatsan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=857883) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=857883)  +4 / =2 / -0) (687 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/857883.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/857883.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Yatsan))
12. finaleshot2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=888099)  +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 902 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/888099.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/888099.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=finaleshot2016))
13. Squishy01 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1026915) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1026915) neutral) (16 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1026915.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1026915.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Squishy01))
14. GDragon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1060206) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1060206) neutral) (125 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1060206.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1060206.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=GDragon))
15. yazher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1069571) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1069571) neutral) (541 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1069571.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1069571.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=yazher))
16. Silent26 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1091163) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1091163)  +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1091163.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1091163.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Silent26))
17. creeps (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1094167) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1094167)  +0 / =0 / -1) (44 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1094167.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1094167.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=creeps))
18. LogitechMouse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1143164) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1143164)  +1 / =2 / -0) (291 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1143164.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1143164.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LogitechMouse))
19. GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1164368)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1085 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1164368.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1164368.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=GreatArkansas))
20. sheenshane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1179651) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1179651)  +4 / =1 / -0) (948 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1179651.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1179651.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=sheenshane))
21. theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1180530) !!!:  +5 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1180530.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1180530.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theyoungmillionaire))
22. Maus0728 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1289002) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1289002)  +4 / =0 / -0) (1055 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1289002.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1289002.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Maus0728))
23. Uao (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1329192) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1329192)  +2 / =0 / -0) (48 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1329192.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1329192.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Uao))
24. cabalism13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1605387) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1605387)  +12 / =1 / -2) (DT1! (5) 1160 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1605387.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1605387.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cabalism13))
25. nakamura12 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1726595) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1726595) neutral) (527 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1726595.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1726595.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=nakamura12))
26. jademaxsuy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1788599) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1788599)  +0 / =4 / -1) (219 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1788599.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1788599.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=jademaxsuy))
27. cryptobenn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1991100) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1991100)  +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1991100.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1991100.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cryptobenn))
28. itoybtc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2016507) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2016507) neutral) (10 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2016507.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2016507.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=itoybtc))
29. Strufmbae (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2144073) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2144073) neutral) (26 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2144073.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2144073.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Strufmbae))
30. Debonaire217 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2409302) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2409302)  +0 / =1 / -1) (364 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2409302.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2409302.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Debonaire217))
31. plvbob0070 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2449551) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2449551)  +1 / =1 / -1) (401 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2449551.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2449551.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=plvbob0070))
32. _BlackStar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2867307) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2867307) neutral) (152 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2867307.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2867307.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=_BlackStar))

bL4nkcode's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Stephen Gornick (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2228) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2228)  +1 / =1 / -1) (3 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2228.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2228.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Stephen Gornick))
2. str4wm4n (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=19284) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=19284)  +5 / =6 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/19284.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=str4wm4n))
3. Dabs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=54791) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=54791)  +9 / =0 / -0) (850 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/54791.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/54791.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Dabs))
4. subSTRATA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=68036) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=68036)  +2 / =1 / -0) (43 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/68036.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/68036.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=subSTRATA))
5. Rub3n (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=95139) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=95139)  +5 / =0 / -2) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/95139.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/95139.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rub3n))
6. TMAN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98986) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=98986)  +27 / =0 / -1) (1306 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/98986.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/98986.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TMAN))
7. jeremypwr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137185) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=137185)  +21 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1350 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/137185.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/137185.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=jeremypwr))
8. mortare (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=191375) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=191375)  +12 / =1 / -0) (25 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/191375.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/191375.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=mortare))
9. SiNeReiNZzz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251328) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=251328)  +3 / =2 / -0) (787 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/251328.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/251328.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SiNeReiNZzz))
10. examplens (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=314792) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=314792)  +4 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (14) 607 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/314792.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/314792.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=examplens))
11. tmfp (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=351569) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=351569)  +8 / =0 / -0) (735 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/351569.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/351569.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=tmfp))
12. Removed yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846)  +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (27) 1763 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/355846.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=yahoo62278))
12. Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=366632)  +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1553 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/366632.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/366632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Royse777))
13. ralle14 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=535215) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=535215)  +4 / =1 / -0) (589 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/535215.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/535215.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ralle14))
14. Woultries (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=689228) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=689228)  +1 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/689228.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Woultries))
15. DoublerHunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=764495) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=764495)  +1 / =0 / -0) (113 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/764495.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/764495.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DoublerHunter))
16. Yamifoud (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=793182) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=793182)  +1 / =0 / -0) (147 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/793182.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/793182.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Yamifoud))
17. FlightyPouch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=907855) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=907855) neutral) (50 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/907855.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/907855.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=FlightyPouch))
18. crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=914465)  +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 834 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/914465.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/914465.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=crwth))
19. webtricks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=921974) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=921974)  +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1371 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/921974.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/921974.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=webtricks))
20. julerz12 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=950662) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=950662)  +7 / =0 / -0) (343 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/950662.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/950662.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=julerz12))
21. -doubleU- (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1024276) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1024276)  +3 / =0 / -0) (850 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1024276.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1024276.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=-doubleU-))
22. hugeblack (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1059082) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1059082)  +3 / =0 / -0) (1869 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1059082.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1059082.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hugeblack))
23. eldrin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1068482) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1068482)  +2 / =0 / -1) (38 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1068482.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1068482.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=eldrin))
24. tweetbit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1086882) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1086882) neutral) (12 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1086882.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1086882.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=tweetbit))
25. Untold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1121520) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1121520)  +6 / =2 / -0) (81 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1121520.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1121520.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Untold))
26. GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1164368)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1085 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1164368.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1164368.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=GreatArkansas))
27. sheenshane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1179651) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1179651)  +4 / =1 / -0) (948 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1179651.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1179651.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=sheenshane))
28. cabalism13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1605387) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1605387)  +12 / =1 / -2) (DT1! (5) 1160 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1605387.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1605387.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cabalism13))
29. Bthd (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1836948) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1836948)  +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1634 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1836948.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1836948.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Bthd))
30. cryptobenn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1991100) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1991100)  +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1991100.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/1991100.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cryptobenn))
31. 1miau (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2143453) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2143453)  +9 / =1 / -0) (3360 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2143453.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2143453.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=1miau))
32. Debonaire217 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2409302) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2409302)  +0 / =1 / -1) (364 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2409302.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2409302.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Debonaire217))
33. twiki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2460637) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2460637) neutral) (24 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2460637.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2460637.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=twiki))
34. protrader786 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2718720) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2718720)  +0 / =0 / -1) (61 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2718720.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2718720.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=protrader786))
35. Peanutswar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2762272) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2762272)  +1 / =0 / -0) (516 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2762272.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2762272.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Peanutswar))
36. _BlackStar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2867307) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2867307) neutral) (152 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2867307.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2867307.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=_BlackStar))
37. MrCryptHodl (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2938510) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2938510)  +25 / =0 / -0) (340 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2938510.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-12-18_Sat_05.08h/2938510.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=MrCryptHodl))

The spreadsheet is asking for access. Why can't we make is public?

As for crwth I think he is clearly less at fault than the other two.

The spreadsheet is asking for access. Why can't we make is public?

These numbers are in USD or in their local currency?

Don't you think how the activity was going on was known to crwth? He could have raised questions if things weren't going accordingly. Either way, he didn't have included anything yet; no tx record, no clear amount.

It was public earlier today morning when I posted last time. There was some wrong (or wrong) information which I have pointed out.

Maybe crwth can share all records he has, in a separate spreadsheet edited only by him?

You can find the sheet here- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z3nZePiflhAuPh6y_f9LxmL1997vdfeYsQo_hUyspT8/edit?usp=sharing

I was sent this spreadsheet this morning. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119Y3xOq4FzUhXKyPN11N_Mtwn37VmkqUj2IQiBi08pQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR1BDCGvy_ohYhRq6AMigOoo0gvY15hYS3Oxl4b3xBuJsAyBgXYjAg1ZwxU#gid=1160771654

Let's say someone offered me 0.2BTC to spend on charitable causes in my country, and let's say it didn't occur to me the person who offered it was breaking his own promise by taking the money out of escrow when he handed it to me. I think, in the spirit of trying to help people, overlooking that mistake can be forgiven.
But then, when spending someone else's money on charitable causes, I would be meticulous in keeping track of everything. Partially because it's the right thing to do, but mainly because it's the only way I can prove I used the money properly.

Earlier it worked, so the owner changed it.

I'm guessing it's in PHP.

Someone could even hold grudge and complain about donations for bitcointalk forum and paying for new invisible forum software :P

This is obviously different from previous spreadsheet and I can't access it because it's locked for reading and I don't have google account here.
Can someone post screenshot or transfer data to other document that is open for reading, if it's not erased or locked.

Is this spreadsheet created by you based on information you provided in this post, or it's coming from original Charity team?

I just had a quick look on the spreadsheet.

it seems strange to me that all three guys provided vague facts, I would understand if this behavior was traced only in one participant in this case, but not in three at once.

800 + 1200 + 1600 + 1800 + 650 + 1400 + 8500 + 1500 +1000 + 500 = 18,950
1 PHP = 0.020 USD means all together $377.56

No way!

We are taking about 2.12264434 BTC at btc price between $10k to $65k+ I believe?

It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...

What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time?

What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time?

although I have been getting regular replies from cabalism on telegram. His last message to me was the spreadsheet and him telling me he would be offline mostly until the new year. The other 2 I haven't really reached out to.

Honestly speaking I do not think it's anymore to convince you but to convince all of us. There are no points now to make private update.

Relevant addresses:

33tZjC2ZdVib9JLdWZH4rg7HzhuuTG5WZd - crwth
32RYTtV6xGTX55i5QdfA7T8iWgAd2QK7yo - legendster
33c9Df6J6vkGU1cuX84AePoeH2qzuzbcF1 - cabalism13
3LjVmpw2wDWawaPGa8Lj5JYjYciXDAePbW - cabalism13
3LvwmWgo6kS64Rtz5JVwpq3v1R8NXckX2W - crwth
351ZYYihVwJnKKv9iAdGeFxhaJ3t7zzrcA - bl4nkcode
bc1qlk9s9tmsv79hk345s98atht534fac3qu0nrayu - probably cabalism13
1a3eegDyFQAotunG5CknN4JntFzfZC3Mo - not sure who own
bc1qxu65xsfjecr8cxc3ywsp2pjzqp35dvs69tulem - not sure who own
3KwDEEzZycWYC73juBsrbjJjB1zumrx37v - marlboroza
bc1q20yenlspxprxk9dqttc6gue8yz02auth89jdvq - not sure who own (0.56622723 BTC received worth of $18789^#1)

It’s been days and they all aren’t replying...

If you sent that 0.2 btc to any organization that accepts Bitcoin donations for charity, how exactly would you track their spending habits and check they are not abusing this money?
I think that everybody remembers notorious fake hunanrightsfoundation who is still acepting donations for who knows what, maybe for arming his hezbollah paramilitary units.
Even for legit big charity organizations you can't really see and verify how they are spending money, but I am sure they are keeping transactions in private for personal records.
Someone could even hold grudge and complain about donations for bitcointalk forum and paying for new invisible forum software :P

That's false. You can track their habits and expenses, like was a company. They also have articles of association, payrolls, expenses, accounting in general. However, this charity fund, isn't an "entity", an rl organization. So having a simple excel for tracking where they donate, I guess it wasn't hard.

It's not false at all because I was talking about external checking and auditing, and public (including you) can't exactly track and verify how FidelityCharitable or SaveTheChildren (for example) spends their received bitcoins.
Internal checking is something totally different and I already mentioned that in my post.

Are you suggesting they're alts?

I should have saved the spreadsheet.

I can still access it from my email. Wondering why it's private instead of making it public.

Can you save it in Google Docs and share your own copy?

I don't think they are alts. cabalism13 is quite different than the rest two from what I have observed; not sure about the other two though.

then third (reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3243635.msg57158291#msg57158291)) 2021/06/04 - $2000 (which is still open, if the data in DarkStar_ spreadsheet are correct)

I don't insinuate anything, it's just illogical for me to lend money to someone and at the same time ask for a loan from a third party. whether he resold the loan, yet at that time blankcode had a good enough reputation to get a loan from Darkstar (just my assumption) there was no need for a mediator.

If I understand correctly, he asked for $2K in June that he was going to pay back in 2 or 3 months and at most 6. He should have paid it all back already and according to row 174 of the spreadsheet (if I understand it correctly) he has made a partial payment of $500 of the total $2,686 he has to pay back, plus he has left BTC and bnb as collateral, but he has not paid it all back yet.

Incidentally, I see several people I know from the forum in the spreadsheet and I am surprised. No way you're going to see me paying 2.70%-6.60% monthly interest. I must be financially very healthy because it seems crazy to me.

Never say never. you can't know what can happen to you and that you may need money urgently.

It would be good if yahoo62278 would confirm the data are the same as the one shared by cabalism13; just to make sure I didn't tamper with any data.

If you decided to make charity campaign, publicity and transparency should be main thing. After all, all these money were donated by people, it's not your own property. If I would do such thing, I would try to keep receipts of every purchase and add record of it to spreadsheet. Because it's not enough to add vague information that $50 were spent on potato or $100 on rice without any receipt.

What I unlike most in this situation that these users don't bother to reply to accusation properly and seems that they don't give a shit about it. And coincidence or not, but soon after accusation they become basically inactive on forum.

I still want to believe that funds were spent properly, but things definitely don't look nice.

If C13 was able to withdraw $500 from the charity account for medical care without the authorization of the donators, it's probable that some of the charity funds were used for purposes not mentioned above. I don't know C13's financial situation, but it's risky to put such a large sum of money in the hands of someone who isn't financially sound...

They do not give a fuck they are somewhere drinking beer and laughing at our comments  after all nobody is going to jail.

I'm pretty sure there's a way to put bitcoin in a wallet with 2FA or something similar, right?  Aren't bitcointalk's funds held in an arrangement like that?

That might have been a good idea with this amateur-hour charity, since if they did that Cabalism13 would have had to ask permission from at least one of the other members before using some of the funds for his own purposes.

Instead, he apparently sought advice from people who had nothing to do with the charity and were in no position to give him permission to do anything with those funds.  At least that's what he claimed.

To be honest, yes. I have used 500$ from the funds back then for the medications of my deceased grandfather, I even asked before I did that on my Filipino Community

I don't believe the charity was started with the intention of scamming anyone.  I think temptation and the availability of a large amount of money got the best of at least one of the members involved.

"opportunity makes the thief"

I think temptation and the availability of a large amount of money got the best of at least one of the members involved.

... plus I don't believe the charity was started with the intention of scamming anyone.  I think temptation and the availability of a large amount of money got the best of at least one of the members involved.

If this were a criminal trial (which obviously it's not,) then yes, I would be in agreement.  But this is more like a civil suit where the proving liability, not guilt is the criteria.  Which brings me to the part of your quote that I bolded:  When someone is charged with handling other people's money (such as charitable contributions,) it's that person's responsibility to provide the evidence of where the money is going.  Since crwth is guilty of not honoring that obligation, in my opinion that's enough for a tag and flag.

Ok, let's take this possibility as true. What did the other two do?

I'm pretty sure there's a way to put bitcoin in a wallet with 2FA or something similar, right?  Aren't bitcointalk's funds held in an arrangement like that?  That might have been a good idea with this amateur-hour charity, since if they did that Cabalism13 would have had to ask permission from at least one of the other members before using some of the funds for his own purposes.  Instead, he apparently sought advice from people who had nothing to do with the charity and were in no position to give him permission to do anything with those funds.  At least that's what he claimed.

I bet you they're not, and the only reason I say that is because none of them are your typical fly-by-night scammers, plus I don't believe the charity was started with the intention of scamming anyone.  I think temptation and the availability of a large amount of money got the best of at least one of the members involved.

2021-12-19, 18:56:31    Last Active:    cabalism13
2021-12-21, 13:00:09    Last Active:    crwth
2021-12-22, 08:15:01    Last Active:    bL4nkcode


The three options are:

• All three are alts.  I discount this scenario due to the fact there had to be collaboration between at least two parties in promoting the "charitable work" being done.
• There are two users.  I favor this scenario in which two users, for example cabalism13 and crwth are alts are able to persuade the other person (two votes to one) how to spend the funds.
• There are three users. Two users might be able to persuade a third user for some of the time, however, the third person will at some-point form a differing opinion and voice concerns.  That hasn't happened.

the delay does not necessarily mean a problem and if both parties agree, extending the repayment period is ok.
I guess lender ^DarkStar_ probably knows about this drama and I hope this all ends positively.

Are you suggesting they're alts? [...] What are the odds they all stop posting and stay offline at the same time?

Yes, I can confirm that the loan is still active and I have had communication with cabalism13 prior about an extension. Hopefully I end up getting full repayments from cabalism13 and crwth.

Yes, I can confirm that the loan is still active and I have had communication with cabalism13 prior about an extension. Hopefully I end up getting full repayments from cabalism13 and crwth.

I think from now on we should not trust guys who are very focused on building up good reputation that they are getting it too fast. They are fine as long as they are not asking for money or involving them in a trade. We should not also leave them positive tags or in the DT system very quick just because they are contributing in the community. Let them have over x years of legibility, maybe 5 years (?) before giving them a positive feedback

surprisingly, the person who got the random $1000 I accidentally sent, EZ0010 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2900073), returned the BTC ~immediately. Thanks to him!

The lessons:
 - There are good, honest people in the world.

I don't think account age matters much, and I definitely wouldn't trust someone just because their account is 5 years old.

This is what theymos said about a Newbie with 2 posts:

But if anyone who donated to him wants a refund, I think he should definitely honor that and issue refunds to those donors.

-snip

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https://i.imgur.com/4nKYKgu.png

I think many of us in the thread expected something like this from you and the others but it's been a while.

So you had a "PCR" test which is just another name for a "Covid test" that literally millions of people globally are taking each and every week.  According to the form, "the patient" requested it, not "a Doctor".

Sorry if this is true but what this has to do with the proof you were supposed to post here?

The image is dated on 23rd December while this thread has been posted on 11th December. By the way, such images can be easily made up, faked or what's not?

You have provided some receipts, do they really prove anything? I really don't think so.

I've been sitting on the fence here (very uncomfortable) and honestly can't figure out what crwth is accused of. There were pictures provided of activities that seemed legit. I don't think the original thread promised detailed receipts.

It's quite funny (in a cringe-inducing kind of way, I'm not trying to make light of this situation) how this compares to another incident recently where someone was accused of things and said "I was sick" and some people were outraged how the poor sick person was treated.

I've been sitting on the fence here (very uncomfortable) and honestly can't figure out what crwth is accused of. There were pictures provided of activities that seemed legit. I don't think the original thread promised detailed receipts.

That's not to say there isn't an issue with funds, or that there isn't a communication problem, but it looks to me like there also was a failure to convey expectations to the organizers of this charity, either in advance or at least after those big donations were given. It's seems a bit disingenuous to demand receipts a year later.

IOTW it was possible (at last for crwth; not sure about the other two people involved) to be completely honest and follow the letter and the spirit of the charity thread and end up with a red tag/flag for it because he didn't do something that wasn't part of the deal. I think that's messed up. I will oppose the flag until and unless actual proof of misconduct is provided.

This fund raising program will be conducting such activities like feeding program, helping the orphans and other possible donations.

Funds will be hold by an escrow (bl4nkcode), and for every donations TXID will also be posted here to let the public keep in touch.


Updates, Activities, Images will be posted here as soon as we have conducted such activities.

I've been sitting on the fence here (very uncomfortable) and honestly can't figure out what crwth is accused of.

it was possible (~) to be completely honest and follow the letter and the spirit of the charity thread and end up with a red tag/flag for it because he didn't do something that wasn't part of the deal. I think that's messed up.

I have tagged and supported flags against all 3 at this point.

I've been sitting on the fence here (very uncomfortable) and honestly can't figure out what crwth is accused of. There were pictures provided of activities that seemed legit. I don't think the original thread promised detailed receipts.

IOTW it was possible (at last for crwth; not sure about the other two people involved) to be completely honest and follow the letter and the spirit of the charity thread and end up with a red tag/flag for it because he didn't do something that wasn't part of the deal. I think that's messed up. I will oppose the flag until and unless actual proof of misconduct is provided.

Good for those who get tested every time. I got tested because I got symptoms of suspected covid. Having fever, diarrhea, body pains is not a joke. This is to verify if you have covid, I consulted a doctor first and it was recommended as well, if you want to see the medical prescription, PM me. That's not the main point of the thread though.

Sorry if this is true but what this has to do with the proof you were supposed to post here? The image is dated on 23rd December while this thread has been posted on 11th December. By the way, such images can be easily made up, faked or what's not?
You have provided some receipts, do they really prove anything? I really don't think so.

You know, I was really trying to help because my intention for this is good and to be tied up and accused of different stuff feels so demotivating. It just made it feel even sadder and harder to defend if all they see is the negative ones and not praise the ones that have been done already.

You know the sad thing about this is that once you thought of somebody not logging in, it’s already a burned account or something but that’s not always the case.

Well you suggested this few days ago so I am not surprised, but I think it's a bit harsh and especially doing this during holiday season.
I don't know if it was so hard for you to wait few more days after new year.

we had much worse situation with official bitcointalk forum donations and new forum software that never happened.
I don't think that anyone was tagged or received negative feedback for that.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PupnusqpO1FJIWPztyX0SfdGYcCubIbF94e3jldW3Fo/edit?usp=sharing

For the receipts, I did manage to recover some. The thermal paper in supermarkets always has this tendency to fade right away.
https://i.imgur.com/EPSUTDC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bFFz7A4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8gt71uc.png

That's a case of "whataboutism" if I ever saw one, and those examples have nothing to do with this thread.  I hate to say this (and I'm not attacking you, but your argument), but you're being far too lenient on these three members and perhaps a bit naive as well.

I still have mixed feelings about it, it's at least very naive not to keep accurate records.

...

If someone across the street much less halfway across the globe asked you to donate $100 to their cause you wouldn't until you had done some checks and balances.

...

By the way, such images can be easily made up, faked or what's not?
You have provided some receipts, do they really prove anything? I really don't think so.

Anyway, with the somewhat spotty evidence provided I have no reason to believe that crwth is at fault here. There seem to be significant amounts gone to the other two guys, so there is probably more work needed to untangle that part.

Yes but in our country (same with crwth) receipts often looks like that so I can attest that he is showing you the exact receipt that he did get from purchase. I don't think being grilled like this have some sort of chance to lie of what was being wanted by most of us here don't you think? Also it does prove something of their spent from the charity money, so I think that's a common sense it did prove something.

~

Three scrunched up receipts from eleven months ago.  Two are hand written with no contact details and a vague letter "C" as if that's supposed to explain all.

Then receipt 0367 in image three has the wording: This document is not valid for claim of input taxes."

Did it occur to you on reading (the tax disclaimer) that you might run into difficulties later on down the track if there were an audit of your expenditure?

Your bank?  This was donated bitcoin if I'm reading this whole thing correctly, so what does your bank have to do with any of that?

An escrow (especially for a charity) is NEVER supposed to use donated funds, not even if your grandfather is dying.  Those funds are supposed to be untouched.  Do none of you understand that?  Apparently you don't, and I don't care about the sob story, because we've all heard that excuse a million times on this forum. 

Also, there's nobody who could possibly give you permission to use donated funds for personal reasons.  Nobody except the donors collectively, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't your Filipino community, which has jack shit to do with any of this.

cabalism13: "And lastly afaik, that last money was transferred to bank's Binance address and was converted I think about ~350k".
yahoo62272: "350k? I didn't think the balance was that high. Under 2 BTC last I remember".
cabalism13: "It was".

The balance that I received and converted to PHP
https://i.imgur.com/SiyOE4L.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cRdiabz.jpg

For the receipts, I did manage to recover some. The thermal paper in supermarkets always has this tendency to fade right away.
https://i.imgur.com/EPSUTDC.jpg

You know, I was really trying to help because my intention for this is good and to be tied up and accused of different stuff feels so demotivating.

I do hope to continue this and possibly with better guidance at the helm to prevent this situation again. Together as a community, we aim to be better and help a lot more people in the future.

your labor fee

By the way, such images can be easily made up, faked or what's not?
You have provided some receipts, do they really prove anything? I really don't think so.

I've been sitting on the fence here (very uncomfortable) and honestly can't figure out what crwth is accused of. There were pictures provided of activities that seemed legit. I don't think the original thread promised detailed receipts.

However, it already happened. I don't think it is good to ask for all receipts for purchases months or 2 years ago.

I don't expect such transparent things when I donate my money to charity.

What does the holiday season have to do with any of this?

there's been ample time for all of them to respond in this thread.

Three scrunched up receipts from eleven months ago.  Two are hand written with no contact details and a vague letter "C" as if that's supposed to explain all.

@LoyceV - was it really necessary to give this person four merits for a Covid test receipt and three vague hand written receipts (one of which is for *bags*?) from eleven months ago. ?

they never promised to have detailed reports whatsoever

Updates, Activities, Images will be posted here as soon as we have conducted such activities.

In hindsight, with the ~2 BTC - yes.
~ Let's say you give $100 to someone halfway across the world and the person provided e.g. a picture of a happy crowd with what could be $100 worth of groceries in front of them, is a receipt going to change anything?

Without being there in person you have no way to verify it so comes down to trusting - or not - that person with the $100. And if you didn't ask for a receipt to begin with, you'd be an asshole to start asking for it a year later.

Anyway, with the somewhat spotty evidence provided I have no reason to believe that crwth is at fault here. There seem to be significant amounts gone to the other two guys, so there is probably more work needed to untangle that part.

I am giving crwth my benefit of the doubt.

there are several things that make me think that crwth deserves the benefit of the doubt

it's an online wallet that both crewth and cabalism13 use

I don't think there should be a "labor fee" for a charity created by a community. If there is, it would make the ones running the charity basically employees, and even though I know that's all business as usual for the large corporations that pose as charities, it doesn't seem right for a community event.

[\quote]It is actually unusual for someone providing a service for, working for, or performing administrative tasks for charities to not receive payment for said work. 

The executive management of the American Red Cross, for example are paid quite a lot for running the charity.

I don’t think that anyone is claiming that anyone involved has paid themselves a salary out of charity funds.   

So, just because this wasn't an entity, some big charity organization, they have the excuse not to track everything that they do. How serious is that, especially when you handle others' money for a cause? Keeping a simple excel and a small box of candies to put all the receipts that you will get, needs an accountant or removes the term "spontaneous" or by being spontaneous you lose the seriousness? Besides, they started by keeping things in (some) order but suddenly, forget to continue it. There is a magical way to forget to do it, at some point?

Some said that they started with good intentions but they "lost" it on their way. So? Greater initiatives, bigger projects, "lose" it, and along lost the funds that they suppose to keep/ spent for a reason. They are excused because they didn't start with such intentions?

There is nothing particularly wrong with the community asking questions, it's just that it's starting to sound a bit like digging up a trade of someone selling some trinket a year ago and now asking for a tracking number with signature confirmation. Let's be real, we won't get detailed receipts for every satoshi. Perhaps lowering those expectations and asking cabalism13 et al what is feasible to provide would be more productive, instead of facing them with an impossible task.

theyoungmillionaire  apparently has made some fiat to btc deals with user https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1179651   on the forum in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113147.msg49868494#msg49868494

Considering that fiat was involved you might get some leeds on his identity.

@crwth, Didn't you know what's going on with the charity fund, escrow contract wasn't in its way & if any corruption on going? Did you know anything? If yes, why didn't you alert the community about it? Don't you think you should share with the community about things that are not going accordingly? It's great that you have provided some documents which are real; to me it's real.

Okay, let's look at it this way:  (these receipts aren't on the spreadsheet posted just above BTW)

Three scrunched up receipts from eleven months ago.  Two are hand written with no contact details and a vague letter "C" as if that's supposed to explain all.

Then receipt 0367 in image three has the wording: This document is not valid for claim of input taxes."

Did it occur to you on reading (the tax disclaimer) that you might run into difficulties later on down the track if there were an audit of your expenditure?

For the other 2 receipts: can you specify what it was for?

I'm curious: what's your opinion (now) on the way cabalism13 and bL4nkcode handled this?

Seeing as crwth is keen to answer questions, here's one that's remained unanswered for a while:

I don't think it's a secret many Filipinos use coins.ph.

About coins.ph
You can actually view and read the faqs of coins.ph,
https://support.coins.ph/hc/en-us/articles/360000012161-Which-IDs-are-accepted-for-the-ID-verification-process-
And it is stated there that we need a Valid ID (which is very hard to get especially here in the PH) to be able to transact in coins.ph. Meaning that every BTC address on coins.ph, there's only 1 user and it's validated.

https://support.coins.ph/hc/en-us/articles/115000162741-What-is-Coins-ph-and-how-does-it-work-
And if you don't trust the platform that we're using, it is stated here that;

Seeing as crwth is keen to answer questions, here's one that's remained unanswered for a while:
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Not to mention, continued attempts to link this issue with the two loan scammers isn't really helpful

and it's off-topic.

The only similarity is the people's ethnicity/nationality.

Noted.


Hmm... I won't ask yahoo62278 (the OP of this thread) what he thinks is on topic in his thread...


Of which I made no mention.

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... and just like that crwth engages in DT Trust abuse (https://bpip.org/TrustLog?&trusting=crwth&trusted=Timelord2067&chtype=All) in an attempt to silence others...

... Just like finaleshot2016 (https://bpip.org/TrustLog?&trusting=finaleshot2016&trusted=Timelord2067&chtype=All) ...

Any user can create his own custom trust list, have we not outgrown the complaints of why someone put someone on ~? you sound like your ego is hurt because of it. However, you know that is not enough if just one user distrust you and this doesn't want to affect many other, I'm surprised you're making a drama out of it.

Any user can create his own custom trust list, have we not outgrown the complaints of why someone put someone on ~? you sound like your ego is hurt because of it.
However, you know that is not enough if just one user distrust you and this doesn't want to affect many other, I'm surprised you're making a drama out of it.

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how the approval process went, where the funds from the fund will be spent? For example, everything you paid for, bought and then donated, how does the whole process go?
I guess you need to talk with cabalism, explain to him what is your idea and he approves funds for that? did you have to show him exactly how much it would cost, did you show him the bills for the things you bought, or did you work roughly and trust each other on the word?

And because today crwth distrusted Timelord2067 he says this is DT Trust abuse. Is that so? Because if so he is a total lunatic. I thought it was about the consumption of potent marijuana or hallucinogenic drugs, but now I doubt if it is not because he is not taking medication for schizophrenia or something like that.

Of which I made no mention.

No, you didn't.  But it does seem like the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss.  There are a lot of members here from the Philippines, and some might be alts of one another but I think it's unfair to link them all to the loan scammers whenever some ethical or moral questions come up. 

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18 months ago I identified a cluster of UID's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54731741#msg54731741) who had previously engaged in merit swapping and DT trust swapping (even passwords being changed in the same 24 hour period) which elevated asu (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=asu) and theyoungmillionaire (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theyoungmillionaire) into positions to then scam lots of money.  Lots of naval gazing ensued as people decried they never saw that coming.

The "Elephant" in the room (other than apparently this whole page is off topic) is that two of those - 18 months ago - I identified as a part of that merit/dt backscratching cluster that were in need of watching are cabalism13 and crwth.

cabalism13 still hasn't come back online, neither has bL4nkcode.

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I knew nothing of this "charity" until this thread began, however, had I been aware at the time, I would have asked @theymos if they endorse the use of the name BitCoinTalk as a part of the Charities name? 

And, as the charity is representing itself as having the official blessing of the Forum by taking its name, then why were there no checks and balances in place by admin or mods to ensure when the large donations roll in we don't find ourselves in a situation where two of three adminstrators/UID's falling silent while the third offers a covid test and a couple of vague receipts (which aren't listed on the spreadsheet screen shots) as proof only after hard questions start being asked.  (and still won't elaborate on where the other two are)

The real Elephant in the room is why none of you other good people who were aware of its creation asked those tough questions when this "charity" was formed in the name of the Forum.

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Time to lock this thread, @yahoo62278

I would lock this thread but I want to wait til the holidays are over and see if the other 2 pop in and give a reasonable explanation as to the facts and try to clear up any 8ssues users have.

There are 7 outgoing txes for cabalism13 and only 1 was documented. The total amount for undocumented txes were: 0.54722358 BTC (I have no idea how much they were in USD).

2 outgoing txes for bL4nkcode and total was: 0.56639445 BTC

The splitting between both seems like 50-50 agreements

I would lock this thread but I want to wait til the holidays are over and see if the other 2 pop in and give a reasonable explanation as to the facts and try to clear up any 8ssues users have.

Does anyone have an idea of how much the money was worth when it was moved from the escrow?

I would lock this thread but I want to wait til the holidays are over and see if the other 2 pop in and give a reasonable explanation as to the facts and try to clear up any 8ssues users have.

2 Accounts Connected:

minairia3 (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=298644), naim027 (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=1187984),

About 27 hours after applying for a signature campaign, naim027 changed their wallet address from bc1qguayhqyd774w6sg83p7ehexqe3fp3r5ds0a8kv to 3Q24Jvtg2Lr5SyQE4RaCYtNTFxFwY44Sip - naim027 applied to join a full three weeks after minairia3 used that wallet address in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN.

There are literally only twelve posts between naim027's application and when @Hhampuz accepts it (just three hours after naim027 changes their post).  No one in the twelve posts makes mention of the duplicated wallet address.

[OPEN] Roobet.com Signature Campaign | The Honest Online Casino | Full Members+ [Ninja (https://ninjastic.space/post/58507342)]


it now reads:


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18 months ago I identified a cluster of UID's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54731741#msg54731741) who had previously engaged in merit swapping and DT trust swapping (even passwords being changed in the same 24 hour period) which elevated asu (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=asu) and theyoungmillionaire (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theyoungmillionaire) into positions to then scam lots of money.  Lots of naval gazing ensued as people decried they never saw that coming.

This is a working theory.

I am investigating a connection between theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530) and finaleshot2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099) who both changed their passwords within 24 hours as I stated in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54689431#msg54689431) and this follow-up post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233790.msg54718278#msg54718278).  jademaxsuy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1788599) along with crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) have extensively swapped merits with theyoungmillionaire and finaleshot2016 while in @LoyceV's Default Trust List Week 05 (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-16_Sat_13.06h/1788599.html) jademaxsuy removed their trust of theyoungmillionaire only to add finaleshot2016 and crwth in Week 06 (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-25_Mon_21.39h/1788599.html)

In addition, I have a working theory that theyoungmillionaire has at least four or five alts being jademaxsuy, finaleshot2016, Squishy01, GDragon, Strufmbae, Silent26, crwth and Maus0728 based on their default trust lists activating the same week for most, or a couple of weeks later (with the same list) in the case of the latter couple of UID's.  As at week 76 all or most still trust theyoungmillionaire and each-other.

Since my first post, Maus0728 has removed their trust of theyoungmillionaire but continues to trust all others (the group in what seems to be a DT abuse cluster).

Timelord2067 distrusted crwth before today. In the latest trust list update from last Saturday it appears like this.

And because today crwth distrusted Timelord2067 he says this is DT Trust abuse. Is that so? Because if so he is a total lunatic. I thought it was about the consumption of potent marijuana or hallucinogenic drugs, but now I doubt if it is not because he is not taking medication for schizophrenia or something like that.

The three options are:

• All three are alts.  I discount this scenario due to the fact there had to be collaboration between at least two parties in promoting the "charitable work" being done.
• There are two users.  I favor this scenario in which two users, for example cabalism13 and crwth are alts are able to persuade the other person (two votes to one) how to spend the funds.
• There are three users. Two users might be able to persuade a third user for some of the time, however, the third person will at some-point form a differing opinion and voice concerns.  That hasn't happened.

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I don't think he's going to come here to defend his case.

That means he hasn't seen it by himself on his own account, unless he used an alt.

If he's followed this thread without logging in, he's well aware of the flag and the tags.

bL4nkcode Left the campaign (https://i.imgur.com/vHapDki.png)!

It's worth noting that bL4nkcode (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=765632) was last online on December 21, while the Flag and negative feedback started on December 22. That means he hasn't seen it by himself on his own account, unless he used an alt.

Without double checking the numbers (I may have missed a transaction), it adds up to 40,948.51 USD based on Blockchair's USD estimate at the time funds were moved from the escrow address.

Though cabalism13 said, 0.55 BTC is questionable, from what I can see, a total of 0.56622723 BTC worth $18789 is questionable without any doubt. This is the sum of the amount sent for converting into USDT (supposed to be).
But if I sum the amounts which have no proof, the total is 0.84272723 BTC worth $23,875.96 which in my investigation may not have any proof.

This were the time where funds sent to crwth and cabalism, check (tx below). Also, check the track records of crwth on his spreadsheet posted earlier.
https://i.imgur.com/fArP39o.png

To cabalism - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/917fc3c5eaf5154dae2e79477b0496dad4750238ff242474681bef5e544ddb92 and https://etherscan.io/tx/0x16a2883d0c1fb8971a296c82934b8943454f46f00114fe026e94530bbdc6f861
To crwth is an internal transfer on binance.

For the question of me having a loan to cabalism, it was used for a business related as described on the trust page reference, not for personal use.

I'm curious of all the TXIDS that happened during the spit that cabalism mentioned. Also, as escrow, why you agreed vs keeping the funds in escrow?

Would that be this loan: https://ninjastic.space/post/56796511

And, did the funding of the loan come out of the pool of money the "charity" had in its possession ?? (i.e. not your money)

Unfortunately if they can't really provide any evidence of where the money is gone I think greed probably got to them.

I'm curious of all the TXIDS that happened during the spit that cabalism mentioned. Also, as escrow, why you agreed vs keeping the funds in escrow?

Unfortunately, this is the only I recovered as this kind of paper dont fade away easily unlike thermal papers used by grocery stores.

... but later on I realized that I was the escrow for a reason. I have to admit that move is a mistake as what an escrow is stand for, and I apologize for that, really.

I don't think the lack of being able to prove their expenses is evidence of wrongdoing.

I can't answer to that, what I just did is to make a lend request on the lending thread. I did loan with the same purpose before that with different lender, it just that cabalism accepted the lending offer that time.

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So you took out a loan from cabalism13 before or after he received the payout from you?  

I'm also wondering if it was before or after he allegedly needed that $500 for his father's medicine.

<..> And what's cabalism13 doing making loans if he's pilfering charity funds to pay for meds?

You're quite a funny guy, you mean the almost half million I spent for my wedding was from the Charity Funds?
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To be honest, yes. I have used 500$ from the funds back then for the medications of my deceased grandfather

Am only a student I don't have my own budget, all I can do is the effort

I apologize for not having a response in quite while. As I mentioned on my earlier reply, my place was hit and affected with the super typhoon (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=super+typhoon+rai+leyte), due to this I've been struggling connecting online

I hope that cabalism do list his previous tracks as well, as he made an activity recently.

This were the time where funds sent to crwth and cabalism, check (tx below). Also, check the track records of crwth on his spreadsheet posted earlier.
https://i.imgur.com/fArP39o.png

To cabalism - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/917fc3c5eaf5154dae2e79477b0496dad4750238ff242474681bef5e544ddb92

Without double checking the numbers (I may have missed a transaction), it adds up to 40,9048.51 USD based on Blockchair's USD estimate at the time funds were moved from the escrow address.

I don't think the lack of being able to prove their expenses is evidence of wrongdoing. They did not agree to prove their expenses and continued operating for years without proving their expenses, but did receive additional donations after their level of documentation was well known.

Someone asking questions is not evidence of guilt.

As a charity, their intention is obviously to spend their donations on charitable causes. The only way to spend donations is to distribute money to those able to spend money on causes the charity wants to help.

he claimed he spent half a million on his wedding. If he's being serious and that's in his native currency isn't that nearly 10k USD? That would probably be a very elaborate wedding by Philippine standards.

According to the first site I found (http://www.lovevisalife.com/2018/03/average-philippine-wedding-cost/), over $8k is average in the Philippines.

I don't expect the newlyweds to pay it all though: "Traditionally the groom’s family pays for the wedding and the grandparents act as the primary witnesses or sponsors" (https://www.beau-coup.com/filipino-wedding-traditions.htm).

Without double checking the numbers (I may have missed a transaction), it adds up to 40,9048.51 USD based on Blockchair's USD estimate at the time funds were moved from the escrow address.

According to the first site I found (http://www.lovevisalife.com/2018/03/average-philippine-wedding-cost/), over $8k is average in the Philippines. I don't expect the newlyweds to pay it all though: "Traditionally the groom’s family pays for the wedding and the grandparents act as the primary witnesses or sponsors" (https://www.beau-coup.com/filipino-wedding-traditions.htm).

cabalism13, in his last post, seems to have gone on the defensive and used the criticism as an excuse to just leave rather than try rectify the situation. Why would that be? It would be much better for everyone if he actually tried to show proof of where all this money has gone but if he knows he can't then what else is he to do other than just bounce and run away from the situation?

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One of these days, I will solve this funny charity business. There is a lot of people who would love to donate Bitcoin to actually make a difference but there is just too much scope for mistakes/ scams in the name of charity. This is a problem that needs solving.

The method is very simple. Build up a reputation here. Get into managing communities locally. Then do questionable things and blame it on others for not understanding, coz you are BUSY. Gotta love that false sense of entitlement.