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Title: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: SpaceBurn on February 16, 2022, 10:41:38 PM
Hello everyone!

I recently bought about $150 USD worth of BTC and I would like to mix it. I was going to use Wasabi Wallet but it seems I don't have enough BTC to use CoinJoin. Can anyone recommend me a cheap way to safely mix my BTC?

Thanks in advance, SpaceBurn


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: RickDeckard on February 16, 2022, 11:11:59 PM
While I don't often use mixers I always see users recommend Chipmixer[1] as their "mixer to go". The smallest chip they have is 1mBTC - roughly $44 USD at current rate- so you're safe on that criteria. Regarding their fees they use a pay what you want[2] model - this means that they will accept whatever value you think their service is worth to you. It's up to you to evaluate if their service is worthy of any fee to you, but I do believe that if a user can do it, he/she should support a service to provide sustainability in the long run...

[1]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.0)
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_what_you_want (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_what_you_want)


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: BitMaxz on February 16, 2022, 11:20:22 PM
According to preev the total BTC of $150 is 0.003399BTC if you are going to use Chipmixer you can't send them all you must send 0.001 and 0.002.

I don't know if you can send a total of 0.003BTC in Chipmixer but I think you will receive exactly 0.002 if you sent 0.003BTC.

If you decided to use Chipmixer then follow this guide https://chipmixer.com/articles/basic-theory-3


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: 24Kt on February 16, 2022, 11:28:15 PM
Aside from using mixers, why not use crypto-exchanges which don't require KYC? As the amount is not that big, you can find kucoin for example to use. The fees incurred will be their withdrawal fee but it will not be traced back to you because coming from the exchange, it won't recognize your initial address anymore.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: hosseinimr93 on February 16, 2022, 11:36:20 PM
According to preev the total BTC of $150 is 0.003399BTC if you are going to use Chipmixer you can't send them all you must send 0.001 and 0.002.
There is no need to make two transactions. You can send 0.003 BTC in a single transaction.
If you send any amount between 0.003 BTC and 0.004 BTC, you will receive 0.003 BTC (in 0.001 BTC and 0.002 BTC chips or three 0.001 BTC chips) and the remaining amount will be donated to chipmixer.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: logfiles on February 16, 2022, 11:43:49 PM
Aside from using mixers, why not use crypto-exchanges which don't require KYC? As the amount is not that big, you can find kucoin for example to use. The fees incurred will be their withdrawal fee but it will not be traced back to you because coming from the exchange, it won't recognize your initial address anymore.
Exchange withdrawal fees are ridiculous. I would not advise OP to use an exchange. For example, most exchanges charge 0.0005 BTC in withdrawal fees. That's almost 22 USD worth of bitcoin lost in fees.

I suggest OP uses a Bitcoin mixer like chipmixer. From what i gather, chipmixer lets a user choose whatever amount of fee they would love to pay depending on how they appreciate the value of the service.

Please note that the minimum amount is 0.001 BTC and the accepted increments are 0.001 BTC.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: dansus021 on February 17, 2022, 04:48:47 AM
simple thing is buy privacy coin trough peer 2 peer and then send to other wallet. and then you can start exchange it again to bitcoin. mixing or "laundry hahha" bitcoin costly and its not just bitcoin eth and other coin also cost to mixing


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: Mahanton on February 17, 2022, 04:48:55 AM
Aside from using mixers, why not use crypto-exchanges which don't require KYC? As the amount is not that big, you can find kucoin for example to use. The fees incurred will be their withdrawal fee but it will not be traced back to you because coming from the exchange, it won't recognize your initial address anymore.
Exchange withdrawal fees are ridiculous. I would not advise OP to use an exchange. For example, most exchanges charge 0.0005 BTC in withdrawal fees. That's almost 22 USD worth of bitcoin lost in fees.

I suggest OP uses a Bitcoin mixer like chipmixer. From what i gather, chipmixer lets a user choose whatever amount of fee they would love to pay depending on how they appreciate the value of the service.

Please note that the minimum amount is 0.001 BTC and the accepted increments are 0.001 BTC.
Coinbase would do and ive been using it for a while without having that verification or simply making it as a wallet on which you could withdraw which the only thing you do need to pay is the network fees
thats why making it as an option on mixing out your small amounts of bitcoins isnt a bad choice even on Kucoin too.Some said about gambling sites but its not really that right since it does
require some wager requirement.So aside from mixers then other things would really be mentioning about exchanges.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: Coin_trader on February 17, 2022, 05:12:40 AM
Some said about gambling sites but its not really that right since it does
require some wager requirement.So aside from mixers then other things would really be mentioning about exchanges.

Sometimes I'm using gambling if want to mix my coin and play a bit at the same time. There's still a lot of gambling site that don't wagering requirements on there deposit while charging only a minimal fee or free. I don't want to recommend any Casino for this but still some are capable for mixing service. Sending tokens on a CEX just to mix your coin as a bit ironic for me. I'd rather use mixer and pay for same fee rather than use CEX just to get privacy for my coins.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: witcher_sense on February 17, 2022, 06:27:53 AM
Hello everyone!

I recently bought about $150 USD worth of BTC and I would like to mix it. I was going to use Wasabi Wallet but it seems I don't have enough BTC to use CoinJoin. Can anyone recommend me a cheap way to safely mix my BTC?

Thanks in advance, SpaceBurn

Firstly, where did you buy your coins? If it was a centralized exchange where you need to give up all your personal information to be able to purchase a small fraction of bitcoin, your identity has already been linked to the address to which you did a withdrawal, which means you can't hide the fact that you have those coins and therefore there is no point in mixing them. On the other hand, if you used P2P exchange to acquire your bitcoin, the only reason to mix your coins is if you want to hide the history of your transactions from your counterparty. If you bought your bitcoin anonymously, which means your identity is not connected to the address, your coins are already "mixed."

If you still want to mix what you have bought, there are many ways to mix such a small amount.

You mentioned you have tried Wasabi, which means you're familiar with how CoinJoin works. You can try other CoinJoin implementations such as Whirlpool (with which it is possible to mix small amounts of bitcoin), which is available in wallets like Samourai wallet for android or Sparrow Wallet for PC.

The other option would be a reliable third-party mixing service such as Chipmixer and the like, but please note that some of these services may keep logs of all transactions, which means your coins will likely be unmixed if a platform goes malicious or gets shut down by the government. Do your own research before using third-party mixers.

The third option would be different swap platforms where you can swap your bitcoin for another currency such as Monero on one platform and then swap Monero back to Bitcoin on another similar platform. Please note that such platforms are not an ideal solution because they often collect information about their users and may share this information with governments or sell it to other third-party.

The last option to mix small amounts that I can think of is bitcoin gambling websites which allow you to make deposits anonymously and then withdraw to a different address that has no direct connection to the previous address.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: Obito on February 17, 2022, 09:12:10 AM
Try using Chipmixer, although I don't think that you should mix those bitcoins because I feel like it's not a lot of bitcoin and it's a bother for you to do it, maybe save it up or something like that and wait for it to get much bigger in amount and then you start mixing it. I assume you're not doing anything malicious here so I am helping you but if you're doing it because you're trying to mix a large amount little by little then that's on you I guess.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on February 17, 2022, 09:19:47 AM
Yes, CoinJoin requires millions of sats, not few hundred thousands. Check a list of trustworthy mixers: 2022 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0).

Firstly, where did you buy your coins? If it was a centralized exchange where you need to give up all your personal information to be able to purchase a small fraction of bitcoin, your identity has already been linked to the address to which you did a withdrawal, which means you can't hide the fact that you have those coins and therefore there is no point in mixing them.
There is definitely point in mixing them, especially if there's KYC involved. OP may not want from the exchange to grope their transactions. It doesn't matter if the exchange knows their identities; if they can't follow their transactions, they can't trace them.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: coolcoinz on February 17, 2022, 09:25:54 AM
Personally, I wouldn't even bother mixing 150 USD. Nobody is going to care what you spend such a small amount of money on and nobody is going to come after you for spending it. The only reason why you might need to mix it is if you were planning to pay for drugs :D Mixing, even through an exchange is always problematic. You have to send coins, pay fees, wait for it to be processed... Not something I'd bother for $150. These services are meant for larger money for it to be worth the time and expenses.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: Lucius on February 17, 2022, 02:14:02 PM
I don't know if you can send a total of 0.003BTC in Chipmixer but I think you will receive exactly 0.002 if you sent 0.003BTC.

Where did you get such ideas? Why couldn’t someone send 0.003 BTC and get the same amount back in case they don’t want to pay any fee? You've been in the CM campaign for so long, and you don't know how the service works...


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: OcTradism on February 17, 2022, 02:40:18 PM
You can try to use ChipMixer or Wasabi wallet and be aware that there are many scam tumblers /mixers. If you use Wasabi wallet and CoinJoin transaction, you must read their guides on how to use inputs and outputs appropriately for your anonymity.

[Guide] Decent mixing methods (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146241.0)
2022 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0)


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: dkbit98 on February 17, 2022, 04:13:17 PM
I recently bought about $150 USD worth of BTC and I would like to mix it. I was going to use Wasabi Wallet but it seems I don't have enough BTC to use CoinJoin. Can anyone recommend me a cheap way to safely mix my BTC?
I would also suggest using Chipmixer like other members suggested before me, and best if you do that on their .onion version with Tor browser, but please follow instructions.
Wasabi wallet is currently unusable for Coinjoin amounts lower than 0.1 BTC but they are working on version 2.0 that is going to remove that limit.
I think Wasabi is releasing testnet version next month and after that mainnet version should be released, but this still needs to be tested.
Alternative for mixing your coins is using decentralized exchanges like Bisq and p2p trading.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: kryptqnick on February 17, 2022, 05:32:40 PM
As other have mentioned, you can use a mixer. But do you really need one? It's a small amount, so I don't think you're doing money laundering or anything, but I think that the governments are not very comfortable with mixers, and many people within the community believe they're (or should be) illegal. With a mixer, you might actually end up with bits of 'dirty' money that can attract more attention to you than merely your $150 purchase would. Of course, it all depends on your goals and I think the country where you reside can matter as well (different countries have different policies). I guess what I'm saying is you should think it through and check if it's legal in your country first.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: Leviathan.007 on February 17, 2022, 09:58:11 PM
Hello everyone!

I recently bought about $150 USD worth of BTC and I would like to mix it. I was going to use Wasabi Wallet but it seems I don't have enough BTC to use CoinJoin. Can anyone recommend me a cheap way to safely mix my BTC?

Thanks in advance, SpaceBurn

I don't think that's really important to mix only 150 USD worth of bitcoin which is a small amount comparing the minimum value required for micing the bitcoins.
You may also see many mixing services that do not ask you for too many bitcoins for mixing your coins but I would suggest you stay away from them a real and safe mixer usually asks you for some fees and donations, alternatively you can transfer your bitcoins into some decentralized exchange where they do not ask for any KYC and then withdraw the bitcoins into another wallet however you will need to pay some fees in this case.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: seoincorporation on February 17, 2022, 10:45:41 PM
$150 is a really low amount to mix, I mean, the police will not chase you for that. But if you want to delete the addies trace I would recommend you to deposit on a casino or an exchange and then make a withdrawal, that way the inputs and the outputs will be lost for a low amount.

The risk about mixing that amount is that you will lose like $40 in the transaction fees and the mixer fees, that's why this is a bad idea mate.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: logfiles on February 17, 2022, 11:59:43 PM
Coinbase would do and ive been using it for a while without having that verification or simply making it as a wallet on which you could withdraw which the only thing you do need to pay is the network fees
Coinbase.com or coinbase wallet?

Before I used coinbase.com I had to first get my account verified.


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thats why making it as an option on mixing out your small amounts of bitcoins isnt a bad choice even on Kucoin too.
You must be mistaken. Kucoin charge a flat fee of 0.0005 BTC for every withdrawal.

Also, I don't see the point of sending coins to a centralized exchange if one is trying to obfuscate their Bitcoin transactions. By sending your Bitcoins to a centralized exchange. You are official de-anonymizing yourself. I don't think this is OP's goal.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: virasog on February 18, 2022, 01:42:10 AM
Hello everyone!

I recently bought about $150 USD worth of BTC and I would like to mix it. I was going to use Wasabi Wallet but it seems I don't have enough BTC to use CoinJoin. Can anyone recommend me a cheap way to safely mix my BTC?

Thanks in advance, SpaceBurn

You bought this much worth of btc legally, right ?
May i ask the reason of mixing the coins? Maybe you are new and you don't know the exact purpose of mixing the coins  ???
As per my assumption, 150$ is not a big money and there should be no need to mix them.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: Lucius on February 18, 2022, 10:56:33 AM
As per my assumption, 150$ is not a big money and there should be no need to mix them.

What do legality and amount have to do with someone wanting to try mixing? Maybe it's just a matter of curiosity, and maybe the OP wants to break the link between the coins bought and some transactions it will make in the future. Coin mixing is not only for bad purposes, as some insist, but also for privacy - in this case, I bought $150 in BTC on a public exchange, and then I want to spend it anonymously online without anyone knowing my identity.


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: Edith1994 on February 18, 2022, 02:57:45 PM
Why do you want to mix your Bitcoin?


Title: Re: What's the best way to mix small amounts of Bitcoin?
Post by: doomloop on February 21, 2022, 01:00:39 PM
I don’t think everyone can be good at using mixers. They are confusing at times. It’s better to keep them as separate assets and build your strategies accordingly.
But, I think not all mixers are hard to use and there might be mixers that are user/newbie friendly. Wasabi wallet seem to be one of the popular wallets that has this function but the op is still having a problem right now and that problem is not about the difficulty of using the mixer but it was due to lack funds. I did a quick internet search and found out that 0.1 btc is the minimum amount to get started but 0.1btc is a bit expensive right now.

Now I know why his funds are not enough. I think there are already enough replies in this thread and some of them already given out an option if which mixer to use suitable for the op that only wants to mix smaller amounts.