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Title: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Rruchi man on February 28, 2022, 03:36:20 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: YOSHIE on February 28, 2022, 04:51:19 PM
-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I just finished reading one of the international media sources and I saw a topic here by accident.

From what I read, the answer to this topic, I think it fits the answer as I quote below.
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But in fact, the economic sanctions imposed on Russia are expected to be met, because Russia is thought to have prepared its economy before an invasion of its neighboring country.

In fact, International Law Observer, said that economic sanctions will certainly not have a big impact on the Russian people. And Russia will be able to survive six to 1 year after being given world sanctions.

Believe it or not, that's exactly what Russia is doing right now.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Flexystar on February 28, 2022, 04:59:54 PM
-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I just finished reading one of the international media sources and I saw a topic here by accident.

From what I read, the answer to this topic, I think it fits the answer as I quote below.
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But in fact, the economic sanctions imposed on Russia are expected to be met, because Russia is thought to have prepared its economy before an invasion of its neighboring country.

In fact, International Law Observer, said that economic sanctions will certainly not have a big impact on the Russian people. And Russia will be able to survive six to 1 year after being given world sanctions.

Believe it or not, that's exactly what Russia is doing right now.

Impressive. I think Russia is seriously gonna invade across Europe slowly through Ukraine which is being built as port of entry or so called sword.

In any War few things are prerequisites to overcome the challenges. This include proper troops, maintained with medical support, food, water and arms supply. This needs huge budget to keep it going on everyday.

As we know, current war is on going since 5 days now which has already taken up millions of dollars. With Russia planning on Nuclear attack things started to look way SERIOUS than two days ago.

If they are bracing themselves to go against whole NATO then they must have thought this through.

The money is surely backed up somehow!


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: arallmuus on February 28, 2022, 05:11:55 PM
Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

Russia will survive through the sanctions and thing is that Putin doesnt care about the sanctions because all he care about is to show his supremacy reign over Ukraine for now. Yeah its going to affect them a bit but its Russia we are talking about and some europe countries are depending on their  energy supply like German for example

Aside from that according to Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-12/russia-s-583-billion-reserves-now-hold-more-gold-than-dollars), Russia has more gold supply than US in 2021 so probably they could have already got alot more by now before decided on going to war


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Renampun on February 28, 2022, 06:16:18 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
Russia has a very rich close friend that is China, and I heard that the trade between the two countries was very stable during this invasion...

surely putin has a mature plan in the invasion of ukraine this time, he has already predicted about the sanctions that will be imposed on russia. The economic sanctions imposed by the US and Britain will not have a strong impact on Russia as long as there is China to support them. an international political analyst said that the russian invasion this time was not aimed at completely controlling ukraine, it was just a bluff so that the current ukraine president would not be too obedient to NATO and the US.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Upgrade00 on February 28, 2022, 06:30:51 PM
The sanctions is fully effected would make Russia heavily dependent on their allies, especially China. This would influence if their economy survives and how much long term effect it would have.
This situation would also affect other EU states as Russia is the major supplier of natural gas to the continent by a long mile and finding a cost effective alternative would prove difficult for the countries involved in setting up the sanctions.



Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: jossiel on February 28, 2022, 07:17:39 PM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bocyaj on February 28, 2022, 07:45:44 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?


This is not a essential one by the putin,if he had read the old history of the Russia.USSR the name was not forgot by the histoorian and the educated people.So the UKraine was the part of the RUSSIA and it was split based of deviation of idelogy from communist to capitalist by the other nation.Why the communist nation to target the capitalist Ukraine now!!!.

Russia was the stable country with some responsible.It should allow the developing country to grow,many people saying the reason of war is the NATO.Only the Russia and Ukraine know the exact reason for the war.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: dunfida on February 28, 2022, 08:30:12 PM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.
Not really that easy though on which it could really be putting them on some problems too in terms of economical thing but same as you said that this isnt a small country
and much sure that they are aware of it before the invasion do happen on where these results could really be possibly be experienced when things make out some u-turn.
They are still proceeding on what they are doing as of this moment and wouldnt care much about those sanctions etc.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: usekevin on February 28, 2022, 08:45:20 PM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.
Not really that easy though on which it could really be putting them on some problems too in terms of economical thing but same as you said that this isnt a small country
and much sure that they are aware of it before the invasion do happen on where these results could really be possibly be experienced when things make out some u-turn.
They are still proceeding on what they are doing as of this moment and wouldnt care much about those sanctions etc.


When the country get into the war,surely the sanction was be paused.It will affected the certain part of the country.With that the country will had a strong economy backup,then only most probably,it was get into the war with other economy.Russia is the strong economy country.With that,it also recover some economic benefit from the occupying nation for the war period.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: kaya11 on February 28, 2022, 09:07:41 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

I think they can but with limited time. Even if they have seen this through there is a time that they will have to let it go. Some of the countries in the are still trading with Russia, and even some needed Russia's exports too. Let us see if things go the way people says about Putin expanding through Baltic States. If ever that happens then it is another story and WW3 is inevitable.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Vaculin on February 28, 2022, 09:44:10 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

I think they can but with limited time. Even if they have seen this through there is a time that they will have to let it go. Some of the countries in the are still trading with Russia, and even some needed Russia's exports too. Let us see if things go the way people says about Putin expanding through Baltic States. If ever that happens then it is another story and WW3 is inevitable.
For sure, those sanctions will create big troubles on the different big sectors in Russia but Putin has anticipated this to happen before going to a war. And he's not even affected with all those left and right sanctions because all this time, he was preparing for this war and consequences like these are already expected by Putin. Well, Russia may survive for now but i can't tell if the war will be prolong, i guess that will be the start for Russian economy to start collapsing once their armed resources will slowly disappear.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: AmoreJaz on February 28, 2022, 09:49:25 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

I think they can but with limited time. Even if they have seen this through there is a time that they will have to let it go. Some of the countries in the are still trading with Russia, and even some needed Russia's exports too. Let us see if things go the way people says about Putin expanding through Baltic States. If ever that happens then it is another story and WW3 is inevitable.
For sure, those sanctions will create big troubles on the different big sectors in Russia but Putin has anticipated this to happen before going to a war. And he's not even affected with all those left and right sanctions because all this time, he was preparing for this war and consequences like these are already expected by Putin. Well, Russia may survive for now but i can't tell if the war will be prolong, i guess that will be the start for Russian economy to start collapsing once their armed resources will slowly disappear.

very true. putin has already played this scenario on his own. he's been preparing this for years, so he knows the possible consequences of his action. the problem here is that russian people or soldiers are suffering because of their unreasonable leader. too bad, putin will not suffer hunger after this war, but his people do.
pain owed to unnecessary deaths, hunger and other sufferings will be the burden of people while their leader is busy thinking how to to get his power over a nation who wants freedom.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: aoluain on February 28, 2022, 10:01:07 PM
Sanctions left and right but did Putin realise or think that there would be so
many of them so quickly? possibly not! I watched a documentary today
about Putin and it is claimed that while he was a KGB recruit it was noted
that he had a low sense of danger.

Can the economy survive? under very difficult times and trading with a small
amount of allies like Iran maybe and China it can trundle along. Already today
the ecomony was hit with the currency losing massive value, restrictions
on sending money out of Russia and queues at banks to withdraw savings.
Its going to be very difficult.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Vaskiy on February 28, 2022, 10:24:06 PM
Russian billionaires have lost more than $126 billion after the invasion on Ukraine. This billionaire list consists of 13 persons, and met Putin days back.

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“What is happening is a necessary measure,” he reportedly told them. “We were simply left with no chance to do otherwise.”

Putin have said no way of stopping the invasion. And none of the billionaire commented on it. Everyone scared to talk to Putin. The invasion have caused a big blow in the world market. The sanctions from different countries have affected each billionaires differently. This isn't gonna stop Putin from the invasion on Ukraine.

Source : Russian Billionaires Lost More Than $126 Billion (https://www.forbes.com/sites/iainmartin/2022/02/24/russian-billionaires-have-lost-nearly-90-billion-in-wealth-amid-ukraine-invasion)


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: stompix on February 28, 2022, 10:33:44 PM
This is just hilarious.
Some poeple who have no clue about basic economics say Russia will be the fine cause...it is a big country.

It's a big and dirt poor country, and it's smaller and with only half of the population, the USSR had, and guess what, the USSR with all its oil all its resources, and size still went bankrupt. So what has Russia that the USSR lacked?
Nothing, that's why its economy is taking such a hit.

And remember, when the USSR flopped they were still making some shitty cars and planes and tv, but right now everything is manufactured by European companies which have decided to pull the plug on it. Oh, newsflash for some, do you know why Russia partnered with so many foreign companies for the exploration of artic oil? Simple, cause they lack the capabilities to do so, their first platform in the Arctic is actually a decommissioned Conoco platform from UK.

Oh, but it will indeed survive!
After all, there is still something called an economy still alive in Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
Funny how Venezuela has a lot of oil too, guess that it doesn't help!


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: hatshepsut93 on March 01, 2022, 02:57:39 AM
Ofc it will survive, but it will return to the levels of Soviet Union, these sanctions are the new Iron Curtain, Russian people won't enjoy western goods for a long time.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Darker45 on March 01, 2022, 03:11:45 AM
The economy may fall but will probably survive. After all, Russia is not exclusively trading with Western countries. Also, it is not as if Russia is starting this war without considering the possible worst economic scenario this would bring to the country. They must have already foreseen the sanctions early on. They must have already taken into account the potential consequences of their decision. Pushing through with this invasion simply means they could absorb such sanctions and face those consequences.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: adaseb on March 01, 2022, 03:22:42 AM
The Sanctions are very harsh. Happening everyday. Even today Volvo said they won’t sell cars to them anymore. And there are more and more Sanctions added every few hours it seems. Even the new Batman movie won’t be play in Russia.

I think this will mostly hurt the poor as the rich were probably well prepared in advance. And most likely Putin prepared for this move many months or years ago. So who knows? I am assuming they got a secret stash of cash or gold somewhere laying around to survive. I only feel bad for their hard working citizens which don’t deserve this.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: DanWalker on March 01, 2022, 03:40:26 AM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I think that before deciding to conflict with Ukraine, Putin and parliament considered the worst possible scenarios for Russia. So no matter how many sanctions, it won't affect Russia too much. Not to mention we have forgotten that China is a friendly ally with Russia, and China is also not very interested in the US and Europe. Maybe they will quietly help Russia fight sanctions from the US. Both beneficial for Russia and beneficial in this business field. China will not ignore that.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Wexnident on March 01, 2022, 04:30:49 AM
They probably would, but it isn't to say that it would be easy, especially on the lower class. The rich are probably prepared for it, there were some early signs that they could've used to stash their savings safely, plus they have the connections to make it happen. They'd survive alright, but it'd be pretty hard. I hardly doubt Putin wasn't prepared enough to experience this much sanctions when he started this, he probably expected more tbh. He wouldn't start this issue if he wasn't prepared thoroughly for it imo.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: awik p on March 01, 2022, 07:29:45 AM
They probably would, but it isn't to say that it would be easy, especially on the lower class. The rich are probably prepared for it, there were some early signs that they could've used to stash their savings safely, plus they have the connections to make it happen. They'd survive alright, but it'd be pretty hard. I hardly doubt Putin wasn't prepared enough to experience this much sanctions when he started this, he probably expected more tbh. He wouldn't start this issue if he wasn't prepared thoroughly for it imo.
Of course Russia has considered more carefully before moving on. even from his statement did not hesitate to issue nuclear weapons even though this is prohibited, but putin still quibbled on the history of hiroshima where the US used the atomic bomb. So far, the SWIFT sanctions don't seem to have shaken Putin, hopefully there will be a resolution soon


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 01, 2022, 08:26:31 AM
This is just hilarious.
Some poeple who have no clue about basic economics say Russia will be the fine cause...it is a big country.




Everything is simple here. Because people change clothes easily.
Yesterday they were virologists who sit on sofas and teach how to treat COVID-19. Today, everyone wears military caps and pretends to be an armchair political scientist and economist.
I wonder how soon and in whom the next retraining will be?


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bitcasinorank on March 01, 2022, 08:47:19 AM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

they won't survive for a long time.

soon their economy will be total fucked up


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bakasabo on March 01, 2022, 08:47:36 AM
I remember when first sanctions were announced and some goods became illegal in Russia, if not mistaken, it took week or two before these forbidden goods with fresh release date, appeared in Russia. And its price was not astronomical, not even doubled. I dont understand how to properly use the word survive here, but surely economy will adopt. People will adopt and substitute what is under sanctions.

Months, or years will pass, until people under stand that war is war, but business is business. Sad story is, no on will win from this war and sanctions. Everyone needs money, food and goods.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: AicecreaME on March 01, 2022, 10:03:41 AM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

Based on Russia's capability, I think they can survive with world sanctions, but only for a limited time. Because after all, Russia has the means to be able to push through with the invasion of territory, but it will not be endless because of the imposed sanctions upon them. Perhaps they could and would try to get some form of assistance to their "allies" and partners for the resources that they need for the time being that they are under world sanctions. Although I really do hope that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine will soon come to an end because a lot of people are already affected. I hope Putin will realize how destructive his ways are and consider peace talks to settle everything.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: LogitechMouse on March 01, 2022, 10:46:08 AM
I think they already know that sanctions will be imposed to them by other countries especially NATO countries so I guess they already have a solution with it. They might survive for a few more months but if this will last for years then I don't think they will survive.

Well, the war is over already since there is peace talks happening between the 2 countries and Ukraine is applying in the European Union. Now that the war is over, can I ask here if the sanctions are still in effect even though the 2 countries are in peace talks already? I'm curious so.. yeah :). Thanks


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: dezoel on March 01, 2022, 11:59:25 AM
I remember when first sanctions were announced and some goods became illegal in Russia, if not mistaken, it took week or two before these forbidden goods with fresh release date, appeared in Russia. And its price was not astronomical, not even doubled. I dont understand how to properly use the word survive here, but surely economy will adopt. People will adopt and substitute what is under sanctions.

Months, or years will pass, until people under stand that war is war, but business is business. Sad story is, no on will win from this war and sanctions. Everyone needs money, food and goods.
Ah, so this isn't the first time that Russia has been sanctioned? but if they survive the first one, they can also survive this one although this new one is a little heavier. You're right though, no one wins in war because both countries are going to get damaged in the end and sanctions will only affect the economy of each country.

Banks and other assets are said to be frozen, this makes me think that cryptos are a better alternative to use because cryptos can also act as banks and it can also act as an asset at the same time but what makes crypto ideal in this situation is that it cannot be frozen by someone else not even with other governments or banks so transactions can still be continued.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: monineklutak on March 01, 2022, 12:59:21 PM
They probably would, but it isn't to say that it would be easy, especially on the lower class. The rich are probably prepared for it, there were some early signs that they could've used to stash their savings safely, plus they have the connections to make it happen. They'd survive alright, but it'd be pretty hard. I hardly doubt Putin wasn't prepared enough to experience this much sanctions when he started this, he probably expected more tbh. He wouldn't start this issue if he wasn't prepared thoroughly for it imo.
Of course Russia has considered more carefully before moving on. even from his statement did not hesitate to issue nuclear weapons even though this is prohibited, but putin still quibbled on the history of hiroshima where the US used the atomic bomb. So far, the SWIFT sanctions don't seem to have shaken Putin, hopefully there will be a resolution soon
Yes Russia seems really ready to accept sanctions from around the world,
Regardless, I think humanity is above all else and I hope Putin does take his words back on nuclear weapons,
I hope that Putin decides to pull their soldiers out of Ukraine and we'll see what happens next


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 01, 2022, 01:49:20 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
There is no sign of stopping yet, recently there have been some satellite images shows that a huge 30 miles long army is reaching the Ukraine capital and also the peace related discussion didn't shown any improvement at all so this is going to be in the rough way. If sanctions bothered Russian government then they might go for a stop right? So it isn't.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Argoo on March 01, 2022, 01:56:26 PM
The Sanctions are very harsh. Happening everyday. Even today Volvo said they won’t sell cars to them anymore. And there are more and more Sanctions added every few hours it seems. Even the new Batman movie won’t be play in Russia.

I think this will mostly hurt the poor as the rich were probably well prepared in advance. And most likely Putin prepared for this move many months or years ago. So who knows? I am assuming they got a secret stash of cash or gold somewhere laying around to survive. I only feel bad for their hard working citizens which don’t deserve this.
Of course, Putin and his elite will not feel any lack of living standards. But then the citizens of Russia will feel it, and very soon. I am absolutely sure that Putin did not fully calculate the possible consequences of the imposed sanctions. Now all countries are very friendly and united in their desire to completely isolate Putin's Russia from the outside world. It is unlikely that Putin counted on such unanimity. Yesterday we saw the first consequences of such sanctions with the depreciation of the ruble and all shares of Russian companies. And this is just the beginning. Further consequences will grow like a snowball.

Russian citizens must realize that it is they who are responsible for the current situation with their economy. They, and no one else, must keep their kings within the law and hit them on the head in time, and sometimes in such a way that this head flies off. We see that one senile can put our planet on the brink of extinction of human civilization. From what side can this be justified and calculated?

For every citizen killed in Ukraine, Putin will pay his family only $50. This is how Putin evaluates the life of his Russian soldier. During the five days of a large-scale war in Ukraine, Russia lost 5,710 of its soldiers. It will cost the Putin regime $305,500. Cannon fodder needs to come to its senses and draw the appropriate conclusions.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: kapalmabur on March 01, 2022, 04:32:39 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
There is no sign of stopping yet, recently there have been some satellite images shows that a huge 30 miles long army is reaching the Ukraine capital and also the peace related discussion didn't shown any improvement at all so this is going to be in the rough way. If sanctions bothered Russian government then they might go for a stop right? So it isn't.
Even when discussions were taking place between the Russian side and the Ukrainian side, the Russian army was still invading Ukraine,
it also seems that the discussion did not produce anything,
hope this war can all end soon because this will also endanger civilians if this war continues for a long time


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: naira on March 01, 2022, 04:33:01 PM
I think they already know that sanctions will be imposed to them by other countries especially NATO countries so I guess they already have a solution with it. They might survive for a few more months but if this will last for years then I don't think they will survive.

Well, the war is over already since there is peace talks happening between the 2 countries and Ukraine is applying in the European Union. Now that the war is over, can I ask here if the sanctions are still in effect even though the 2 countries are in peace talks already? I'm curious so.. yeah :). Thanks

There are no signs of peace yet. Negotiations between Russia and Ukraine are still looking for a solution. Does not produce a final result, then everything will continue until you really hit the hammer. Carry out a ceasefire first, but the rest of the sanctions will not be that easy if considering the repairs in Ukraine whose infrastructure must be reorganized, maybe as long as the sanctions are still in effect. Is the path of peace easy to take and one of these countries will succumb? that's the problem.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on March 01, 2022, 06:05:35 PM
Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
To be honest with you, Putin is a loose cannon. He doesn't care what the aftermath of the Russia–Ukraine war will bring provided it makes him achieve egoistic orgasm. He has said it that he would ignite nuclear weapons and damned the consequences if any other country dared attack him in retaliation for his invasion of Ukraine. In one of his interviews he said what would the world be without Russia. You can imagine such a narcissistic behavior of someone in position of the presidency.

Of course, the sanctions will bite harder in days to come. But it will still be the masses who will suffer it. Putin doesn't care. Already interest rate in Russia has gone up to as much as 20% with a week of the war. It will get worse. That I'm sure of.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: examplens on March 01, 2022, 06:35:06 PM
There is no country or economy which can suffer sanctions unscathed, especially not from the most developed and even the richest countries. if we add to all this the war that is being waged, which requires huge money, reserves of money will run out quickly.
certainly the longer the war lasts, the situation will be more difficult, especially for the ordinary civilian population. the government will have to help them further with basic foodstuffs and living expenses, which will weaken them further.

Russian billionaires have lost more than $126 billion after the invasion on Ukraine. This billionaire list consists of 13 persons, and met Putin days back.

Most of them earned huge money with the help of corruption and political ties. the whole thing doesn't affect them much, because it will certainly be after the end of this crisis continue with their business and progressive enrichment. 90% of Russian don’t get much benefit from their wealth. (on the contrary, it was supposed to be state money)


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: TheNineClub on March 01, 2022, 06:51:43 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

I see some on this thread speculate on how long Russia can survive the sanctions. The sanctions in place are not meant to affect the country's situation immediately, rather they would plunge an economy into turmoil during a period. That period would not only be during the period of the sanctions itself but would also after the sanctions are lifted, because, as we know, the damage done would be something that would be felt well after. And seeing how this will go, some of the sanctions would not be lifted even when the war stops. So the issue is not if the Russian people would feel the effects of the sanctions in 6 months or a year, but whether how it would impact the Russian economy in the long run. And it will not be positive, that's for sure.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: jossiel on March 01, 2022, 07:05:02 PM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.
Not really that easy though on which it could really be putting them on some problems too in terms of economical thing but same as you said that this isnt a small country
and much sure that they are aware of it before the invasion do happen on where these results could really be possibly be experienced when things make out some u-turn.
They are still proceeding on what they are doing as of this moment and wouldnt care much about those sanctions etc.
As of now, they're feeling the sanctions as per the news that I've read about them.

It's hitting them economically but that doesn't mean that they can't bear and recover from it. Let's just see if we're right or wrong from that expectation that we're setting on them although it's not that really a matter of importance.

While the peace talks are rolling or there's no more? But hopefully that it will end this war and if that happens, sanctions will be lifted for them.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: South Park on March 01, 2022, 10:20:27 PM
They probably would, but it isn't to say that it would be easy, especially on the lower class. The rich are probably prepared for it, there were some early signs that they could've used to stash their savings safely, plus they have the connections to make it happen. They'd survive alright, but it'd be pretty hard. I hardly doubt Putin wasn't prepared enough to experience this much sanctions when he started this, he probably expected more tbh. He wouldn't start this issue if he wasn't prepared thoroughly for it imo.
The Russian economy is without a doubt going to receive a huge hit with all the actions that we are seeing being implemented against it, however it will survive, after all the major exports of Russia are natural resources that other countries cannot really afford to not buy, however the internal economy of Russia could receive a strong hit as all the imports are going to become incredibly expensive and the general population will have to learn to live without them, reducing even further the strength of the Russian economy, which like all other economies still had not recovered from the hit of the pandemic.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: stomachgrowls on March 01, 2022, 11:27:59 PM
They probably would, but it isn't to say that it would be easy, especially on the lower class. The rich are probably prepared for it, there were some early signs that they could've used to stash their savings safely, plus they have the connections to make it happen. They'd survive alright, but it'd be pretty hard. I hardly doubt Putin wasn't prepared enough to experience this much sanctions when he started this, he probably expected more tbh. He wouldn't start this issue if he wasn't prepared thoroughly for it imo.
The Russian economy is without a doubt going to receive a huge hit with all the actions that we are seeing being implemented against it, however it will survive, after all the major exports of Russia are natural resources that other countries cannot really afford to not buy, however the internal economy of Russia could receive a strong hit as all the imports are going to become incredibly expensive and the general population will have to learn to live without them, reducing even further the strength of the Russian economy, which like all other economies still had not recovered from the hit of the pandemic.
This is just new.
Russia faces financial meltdown as sanctions slam its economy
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/28/business/russia-ruble-banks-sanctions/index.html

So the effects are been seen now and speaking on sustaining would be still in question whether those sanctions would be removed immediately
or would be permanent.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Wawa2013 on March 01, 2022, 11:52:26 PM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.
Not really that easy though on which it could really be putting them on some problems too in terms of economical thing but same as you said that this isnt a small country
and much sure that they are aware of it before the invasion do happen on where these results could really be possibly be experienced when things make out some u-turn.
They are still proceeding on what they are doing as of this moment and wouldnt care much about those sanctions etc.
As of now, they're feeling the sanctions as per the news that I've read about them.

It's hitting them economically but that doesn't mean that they can't bear and recover from it. Let's just see if we're right or wrong from that expectation that we're setting on them although it's not that really a matter of importance.

While the peace talks are rolling or there's no more? But hopefully that it will end this war and if that happens, sanctions will be lifted for them.

All countries that go to war will definitely be affected their country's economy, especially Russia indirectly challenging NATO. which will result
in Russia getting economic sanctions from countries that are members of NATO. But the Russian government must have calculated what would
happen with its actions against Ukraine. So Russia must have its own plans to overcome the economic problems that will occur in its country.
So I believe a country as big as Russia will definitely survive and be able to recover its economy. But it would be better if Russia immediately
stopped its actions, the war only made a lot of civilians become victims. Resolution with dialogue is wiser to do to resolve the problems
that occur, hopefully the problem between Russia and Ukraine can be resolved soon, because peace is more profitable for the two warring countries.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Obito on March 02, 2022, 12:16:26 AM
They still have allies and China as the biggest one of them, I am pretty sure that Russia will be able to survive for at least a little while and I am sure that China will definitely make the most out of it even though they're an ally. But the Russian allies will have to be careful too as they might get included in the sanctions too.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Sir Legend on March 02, 2022, 02:55:03 AM
I think Russia has considered bad things such as economic sanctions, but with support from other countries such as China and Iran, I'm sure Russia will not be too bothered by world sanctions, especially if we look at the fact that Russia is not too dependent on the world and I'm sure they will survive and able to overcome the problem of long-term recession.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: tygeade on March 02, 2022, 04:40:09 AM
They probably would, but it isn't to say that it would be easy, especially on the lower class. The rich are probably prepared for it, there were some early signs that they could've used to stash their savings safely, plus they have the connections to make it happen. They'd survive alright, but it'd be pretty hard. I hardly doubt Putin wasn't prepared enough to experience this much sanctions when he started this, he probably expected more tbh. He wouldn't start this issue if he wasn't prepared thoroughly for it imo.
Right? I also have the same thought , that he definitely had it in mind that this was going to happen and he had himself prepared for it before going for this. But sometimes it can always backfire, things won’t usually go as you have planned it , so it is also possible that whatever he had planned would end up failing him, it does happen.

So in a situation like that, when he starts to notice that things has become tough and that his subjects are no longer happy with him, he’s definitely going to feel the need to stop, because they are really going to pressure him when the economy becomes screwed and his plans ain’t working no longer.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: killerfrost on March 02, 2022, 05:04:55 AM
They have prepared for this war, the economic sanctions have been seen by them and they have a specific plan. Furthermore, I believe that Putin is ready for any situation that Russia will face after the war. The sanctions on Russia so far are too many and they are still maintaining their position. I don't want the war to go on for long, and I hope things will be calmed down by agreements.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: justdimin on March 02, 2022, 05:55:23 AM
I think they already know that sanctions will be imposed to them by other countries especially NATO countries so I guess they already have a solution with it. They might survive for a few more months but if this will last for years then I don't think they will survive.

Well, the war is over already since there is peace talks happening between the 2 countries and Ukraine is applying in the European Union. Now that the war is over, can I ask here if the sanctions are still in effect even though the 2 countries are in peace talks already? I'm curious so.. yeah :). Thanks
I doubt this war would go on for years. This is not some middle east nation that the Europe doesn't care about. Killing a million Iraqi people? Nobody cares, kill a few thousand Ukrainians? Suddenly sanctions all around. Hell China just very recently killed way more Uyghur Turks and nobody even cared, just some show stuff and then everything went along, look at Saudis killing Yemeni people every single day, much worse conditions there, Yemeni people have been dying of starvation because of the war and nobody came to their help.

Ukraine is different because it is in Europe technically, and unfortunately European nations are hypocrites who will not help anyone outside of their own. So, this one will be quicker because all of west will come to their help.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bakasabo on March 02, 2022, 09:20:30 AM
I remember when first sanctions were announced and some goods became illegal in Russia, if not mistaken, it took week or two before these forbidden goods with fresh release date, appeared in Russia. And its price was not astronomical, not even doubled. I dont understand how to properly use the word survive here, but surely economy will adopt. People will adopt and substitute what is under sanctions.

Months, or years will pass, until people under stand that war is war, but business is business. Sad story is, no on will win from this war and sanctions. Everyone needs money, food and goods.
Ah, so this isn't the first time that Russia has been sanctioned? but if they survive the first one, they can also survive this one although this new one is a little heavier. You're right though, no one wins in war because both countries are going to get damaged in the end and sanctions will only affect the economy of each country.

Banks and other assets are said to be frozen, this makes me think that cryptos are a better alternative to use because cryptos can also act as banks and it can also act as an asset at the same time but what makes crypto ideal in this situation is that it cannot be frozen by someone else not even with other governments or banks so transactions can still be continued.

This isnt the first or the thousandth sanction. Different sanctions against Russia were announced since 2014. Somehow Russia managed to survive them. But they were not as strict as now. What worries me, is the fact that part of current sanctions, firstly wont have any effect, secondly they will do more damage to those who announce them. Russia will separate from whole world and will live in "their own world". But you can just ignore the existence of such a huge piece of land on the globe. With time, sanctions will be removed or become lighter. And in the end some things will return to "before Ukraine war".

I mean that Russia is a huge sales market with a lot of clients. Business can not ignore it all the time. I mean there are so huge good production powers, so many services. Now, due to sanctions, Russian market is closed to them. For example, you produce 100 cars weekly, and third of them were supposed to sold on Russian market. What will you do now with 33 cars now? Sell for a lower price? Let them get rusty? Decrease number of cars product and fire part of your personal? Not only Russian economy will suffer right now. Whole world needs to start to survive.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: thbit on March 02, 2022, 09:33:36 AM
I think the Russian economy will survive because they have huge resources.

But despite this, I think it will be the following situation. The war will continue for several more weeks, but in the end, Putin will not be able to take over Ukraine. Russia will get out of this situation extremely badly.

After some time, the people of Russia will protest and desecrate the dictator from the throne. After that, the sanctions will be gradually lifted.

The economy of the whole world depends on Russia, just as Russia depends on the world economy. So the sanctions harm not only the Russian economy but also the economy of the whole world.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: carlfebz2 on March 02, 2022, 10:15:39 AM
They still have allies and China as the biggest one of them, I am pretty sure that Russia will be able to survive for at least a little while and I am sure that China will definitely make the most out of it even though they're an ally. But the Russian allies will have to be careful too as they might get included in the sanctions too.
Not an assurance but it would most likely that China would still able to back them out and of course there would be some intent behind those things knowing China would really be that opportunistic as long it could

benefit them out on the future.So what if China wouldnt impose any sactions? No country would able to oppose on what would be their decision so im much sure that Russia president is really that something

confident as he do still continue with his war plans but there might be some peace talks which might completely stop all of these things.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: m2017 on March 02, 2022, 10:31:15 AM
The global economy is highly interconnected. Problems in the economy in one country affect others in one way or another. The troubles associated with the current geopolitical situation will be experienced by many countries in the world. For example, an increase in the price of hydrocarbons is already significantly noticeable.

No matter how many and diverse resources a country has, it is almost impossible to resist the whole world. If this senseless and harmful to citizens confrontation doesn't stop, then the economy in Russia will experience great difficulties. Don't forget also that until recently the world economy was stormy due to the pandemic. These problems overlap and worsen the consequences. The share of Russia in the world economy was already insignificant, but now it will decrease even more.



Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: savetheFORUM on March 02, 2022, 01:59:16 PM
Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I think that’s likely, no matter how they try to go around it, they will be affected for sure. Although it seems there are few countries that have chosen to stay neutral; just like China that has made the decision to keep on trading with Russia, I think there are other countries too, but that is not going to be enough to keep their economy in a good position because they have been banned by the heavy sources (Europe, and the US) and their companies and assets sanctioned as well. So, there is no doubt at all, their economy will be affected and Putin would likely be forced to bow out.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: jostorres on March 02, 2022, 09:11:36 PM
The global economy is highly interconnected. Problems in the economy in one country affect others in one way or another. The troubles associated with the current geopolitical situation will be experienced by many countries in the world. For example, an increase in the price of hydrocarbons is already significantly noticeable.

No matter how many and diverse resources a country has, it is almost impossible to resist the whole world. If this senseless and harmful to citizens confrontation doesn't stop, then the economy in Russia will experience great difficulties. Don't forget also that until recently the world economy was stormy due to the pandemic. These problems overlap and worsen the consequences. The share of Russia in the world economy was already insignificant, but now it will decrease even more.
The difference is that, there are nations who have worse financial situation than Russia without even having sanctions or any troubles. Look at Turkey, they are Nato members, part of them is in Europe, and they play in European cups during spots, and generally a very loved military nation by the west, whenever they have a problem they just use turkish military. They may dislike them as people, but definitely see them as useful evil.

They literally had a 100%+ increase in dollar price a few months ago without anything going on, just purely corruption and horrible management and central bank meddling. Look at Russia on the other hand, they are killing innocent people because of madmen Putin wanting his USSR dream back and destroying homes of people in Ukraine. And yet they are doing better than how Turkey did, even after everything was thrown at them.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Gyfts on March 02, 2022, 09:38:23 PM
Early indications are that Russia won't be able to sustain their economy with the sanctions in place, but that doesn't matter to Putin because his economy wasn't in a great place prior to the invasion, and he knew the sanctions would have further sunk his economy. It's not as if he feels the sanctions directly, it's his citizens. Quite frankly, there is no going back once he decided to invade. He can't simply reverse course and come away with nothing, it's not how war works.

China is still willing to do business with Russia, though. So at least Putin has them as a clear avenue of commerce.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Marykeller on March 02, 2022, 10:21:14 PM
Innocent citizens are always the ones that suffer it most when war happens. I believed the world bodies are finding means to sanction Russia but locking and seizing people's assets because they are from Russia is the best way to go about it? Why have all these strict sanctions been given to Russian citizens that had nothing to do with the war? With the level of strict sanction given to Russians
make Putin come to terms with the level of sanction given to her citizens by the UK? 
It's quite a challenging period for the people of Ukraine and Russia during this time of war


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Lanatsa on March 02, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
Early indications are that Russia won't be able to sustain their economy with the sanctions in place, but that doesn't matter to Putin because his economy wasn't in a great place prior to the invasion, and he knew the sanctions would have further sunk his economy. It's not as if he feels the sanctions directly, it's his citizens. Quite frankly, there is no going back once he decided to invade. He can't simply reverse course and come away with nothing, it's not how war works.

China is still willing to do business with Russia, though. So at least Putin has them as a clear avenue of commerce.
Putin surely knows about these things to happen once he do launched that invasion but we dont know his back up economic plans yet but for now we arent seeing something but left and right sanctions.

This would surely took some great or big hit into their economy but we couldnt deny that lots of countries do still needs them on economical aspect.
It could still survive but with this current condition then it is really hard to say but as still having China will still able to breath somehow.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: coolcoinz on March 03, 2022, 12:22:06 AM
It will survive but in what state.

We can say North Korea is surviving, right? But is it doing good? No. Is it a superpower? No.
If Putin continues this stupid war it's game over for him. I've seen a nice interview with a guy who was in Putin's Inner circle before the war and he said that Putin made a mistake and showed the West how weak Russian army really is. That all those supersonic missiles, superior air power, well trained soldiers are just on paper. That Russia is a paper tiger with most of its equipment being for years stripped for parts. When a tank was breaking down they weren't making a new part for it, they were stripping another tank to patch up the rest. You could see the state those machines were when they entered Ukraine. Some guy on twitter commented that they all look like dogs were living in them with all seats chewed up and wiring ripped out.

Putin played a bluff. He thought that Ukrainians will flee when they see 500+ armored vehicles enter from all sides, but they didn't and now he had to change the tactic to total destruction. He levels cities, kills civilians and people see it all on social media. Russia was expecting sanctions but it was not expecting the world to cut ties with the country. They can't fly anywhere, can't enter most ports with their boats, even got kicked out of FIFA. They have a lot of money saved up but what's all that money if you can't buy anything. No cars will be exported there, no electronics, they won't have international credit cards, no visas. That's going to hurt all those rich people from Moscow.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: iv4n on March 03, 2022, 09:52:39 AM
-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I just finished reading one of the international media sources and I saw a topic here by accident.

From what I read, the answer to this topic, I think it fits the answer as I quote below.
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But in fact, the economic sanctions imposed on Russia are expected to be met, because Russia is thought to have prepared its economy before an invasion of its neighboring country.

In fact, International Law Observer, said that economic sanctions will certainly not have a big impact on the Russian people. And Russia will be able to survive six to 1 year after being given world sanctions.

Believe it or not, that's exactly what Russia is doing right now.

I have no doubt they prepared well, they would be crazy not to if they had planned this for longer! This report is interesting, although, how much can we really believe that the Russians have prepared for 6-12 months of severe sanctions, and what if something really goes wrong and stocks run out quickly, or in the worst case, what if this lasts longer than a year?!

From my personal experience long sanctions bring a lot of crime, most of the necessary things are imported illegally and sold on the street (read black market)! In this chaos, dubious businessmens are doing their best and increasing their wealth and influence, which later directly affects the rule of law and all other social segments! After almost 30 years after five years of sanctions and a little over 20 years after the NATO bombing, Serbia is full of suspicious multimillionaires who have earned their wealth in an unknown way, and I must say we things are not so great, there's too much gray around government institutions and I don't believe we can see better days in some short future!

The Russian economy will survive, but what will it looks like in a year or two we can just guess it, and I believe all that is just wild guessing, things can change big time in just a day or two, we can just wait and see... in the mean time stack some valuable stuff if you can!


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: aprilnot on March 03, 2022, 10:13:10 AM

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

for the short term they can still survive, maybe 2-3 years the Russian economy can still survive the sanctions imposed. But if their alliance like China also drops sanctions, Russia won't be fine. so it all depends on their alliance country. Besides, I'm sure they'd predicted all of that from the start. so before they invade, they probably already have a solution for this.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bakasabo on March 03, 2022, 10:29:06 AM

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

for the short term they can still survive, maybe 2-3 years the Russian economy can still survive the sanctions imposed. But if their alliance like China also drops sanctions, Russia won't be fine. so it all depends on their alliance country. Besides, I'm sure they'd predicted all of that from the start. so before they invade, they probably already have a solution for this.

China wont drop sanctions. In fact, I think China is the one who is winning in this war. Russia have sanctions. Europe will have increased prices on fuel, gas, which means prices will be increased on everything. And here comes China with cheap goods and cheap production. All the manufactures that have production on Russian territory will move to China. As well as they will (or will try) to supply Russia with sanctioned goods and services. The world can try to manipulate and drop sanctions China. But these guy have everything and can make everything and live in their own world. The world can not survive without China and will keep calm.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: South Park on March 09, 2022, 10:22:24 PM
The global economy is highly interconnected. Problems in the economy in one country affect others in one way or another. The troubles associated with the current geopolitical situation will be experienced by many countries in the world. For example, an increase in the price of hydrocarbons is already significantly noticeable.

No matter how many and diverse resources a country has, it is almost impossible to resist the whole world. If this senseless and harmful to citizens confrontation doesn't stop, then the economy in Russia will experience great difficulties. Don't forget also that until recently the world economy was stormy due to the pandemic. These problems overlap and worsen the consequences. The share of Russia in the world economy was already insignificant, but now it will decrease even more.


This is why it is going to be difficult for Russia to keep this war for a long period of time, the Russian citizens are getting nothing out of this invasion and instead they are also suffering greatly because of it, if the conflict extends itself and Russia cannot win there quickly then the damages to their economy could set them back by decades, so even if Russia can withstand the initial effects of the sanctions against them we do no know if it can withstand the long term effects that they have yet to experiment.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: ultrloa on March 09, 2022, 10:49:18 PM
The global economy is highly interconnected. Problems in the economy in one country affect others in one way or another. The troubles associated with the current geopolitical situation will be experienced by many countries in the world. For example, an increase in the price of hydrocarbons is already significantly noticeable.

No matter how many and diverse resources a country has, it is almost impossible to resist the whole world. If this senseless and harmful to citizens confrontation doesn't stop, then the economy in Russia will experience great difficulties. Don't forget also that until recently the world economy was stormy due to the pandemic. These problems overlap and worsen the consequences. The share of Russia in the world economy was already insignificant, but now it will decrease even more.


This is why it is going to be difficult for Russia to keep this war for a long period of time, the Russian citizens are getting nothing out of this invasion and instead they are also suffering greatly because of it, if the conflict extends itself and Russia cannot win there quickly then the damages to their economy could set them back by decades, so even if Russia can withstand the initial effects of the sanctions against them we do no know if it can withstand the long term effects that they have yet to experiment.

Its either Russian government will stand their ground or they will surrender because they are suffering to much economically. But I think they are prepared for this only the simple citizens are been hurt by those sanctions that's why we see putin still aggressive on his actions towards Ukraine. The only thing can stop this war is the Ukraine government should surrender which is best thing to do since it will cost more life and more assets to destroy if they continue to battle which they know they will lost in the end. We didn't see the worse situation yet but I think if Russia will get to much and been hurt and I think they operate and launch a nuclear war.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: BuNga_cute on March 09, 2022, 11:04:26 PM
The global economy is highly interconnected. Problems in the economy in one country affect others in one way or another. The troubles associated with the current geopolitical situation will be experienced by many countries in the world. For example, an increase in the price of hydrocarbons is already significantly noticeable.

No matter how many and diverse resources a country has, it is almost impossible to resist the whole world. If this senseless and harmful to citizens confrontation doesn't stop, then the economy in Russia will experience great difficulties. Don't forget also that until recently the world economy was stormy due to the pandemic. These problems overlap and worsen the consequences. The share of Russia in the world economy was already insignificant, but now it will decrease even more.


This is why it is going to be difficult for Russia to keep this war for a long period of time, the Russian citizens are getting nothing out of this invasion and instead they are also suffering greatly because of it, if the conflict extends itself and Russia cannot win there quickly then the damages to their economy could set them back by decades, so even if Russia can withstand the initial effects of the sanctions against them we do no know if it can withstand the long term effects that they have yet to experiment.

War will always have a bad effect, so Russia should stop its invasion to Ukraine. If it continues and is prolonged, the two countries will suffer,
especially civilians who do not know anything. Actually all problems can be solved in a good way, there is no need for war to occur. I always hope
that the problems of Russia and Ukraine can be resolved peacefully, the Russian government should really think about the impact of this war,
because in the end the victims will be Russian citizens themselves. Not only Russian citizens living in Russia, but Russian citizens living in western
countries, most of their business stops and this is certainly a big problem. If the war is not stopped soon I believe Russia will get more and more
pressure and criticism not only from western countries. In the long run the Russian economy could be threatened if the war continues, and this will
surely make Russian citizens suffer even more. However, the consequences of war are very great, war should be carried out only in a state of urgency,
if it can still be resolved peacefully, why not implement it.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Tony116 on March 09, 2022, 11:19:28 PM
The global economy is highly interconnected. Problems in the economy in one country affect others in one way or another. The troubles associated with the current geopolitical situation will be experienced by many countries in the world. For example, an increase in the price of hydrocarbons is already significantly noticeable.

No matter how many and diverse resources a country has, it is almost impossible to resist the whole world. If this senseless and harmful to citizens confrontation doesn't stop, then the economy in Russia will experience great difficulties. Don't forget also that until recently the world economy was stormy due to the pandemic. These problems overlap and worsen the consequences. The share of Russia in the world economy was already insignificant, but now it will decrease even more.


This is why it is going to be difficult for Russia to keep this war for a long period of time, the Russian citizens are getting nothing out of this invasion and instead they are also suffering greatly because of it, if the conflict extends itself and Russia cannot win there quickly then the damages to their economy could set them back by decades, so even if Russia can withstand the initial effects of the sanctions against them we do no know if it can withstand the long term effects that they have yet to experiment.

War will always have a bad effect, so Russia should stop its invasion to Ukraine. If it continues and is prolonged, the two countries will suffer,
especially civilians who do not know anything. Actually all problems can be solved in a good way, there is no need for war to occur. I always hope
that the problems of Russia and Ukraine can be resolved peacefully, the Russian government should really think about the impact of this war,
because in the end the victims will be Russian citizens themselves. Not only Russian citizens living in Russia, but Russian citizens living in western
countries, most of their business stops and this is certainly a big problem. If the war is not stopped soon I believe Russia will get more and more
pressure and criticism not only from western countries. In the long run the Russian economy could be threatened if the war continues, and this will
surely make Russian citizens suffer even more. However, the consequences of war are very great, war should be carried out only in a state of urgency,
if it can still be resolved peacefully, why not implement it.
It not only damages both countries but also affects the global economy. Everyone is going through a period of high inflation when the price of oil, the price of essential commodities has skyrocketed due to the effects of the war.
The two countries should end this war as soon as possible.
Russia is a great power, if it gets deeply involved in this war, Russia will be the one to bear the heaviest losses.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: lixer on March 10, 2022, 11:28:17 AM
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It not only damages both countries but also affects the global economy. Everyone is going through a period of high inflation when the price of oil, the price of essential commodities has skyrocketed due to the effects of the war.
The two countries should end this war as soon as possible.
Russia is a great power, if it gets deeply involved in this war, Russia will be the one to bear the heaviest losses.
Russia might be smiling now knowing that the effect is widespread and doesn't only happen to them. Instead of feeling down or feeling pressured, they are going to feel calm while others can't help but feel the opposite thing. They are blaming Russia now for the effects that they feel.

Pretty sure Ukraine wants to this war now badly, the more that we wish but the decision was all up to Russia. Their mindset is different from us or to Ukrainians. Until now there is still news about the war, they keep updating if what are Russia's latest actions against Ukraine. Are there any countries before which economies have not survived? I guess there aren't any yet. Russia can for sure survive this too.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Kasabus on March 10, 2022, 06:48:09 PM
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It not only damages both countries but also affects the global economy. Everyone is going through a period of high inflation when the price of oil, the price of essential commodities has skyrocketed due to the effects of the war.
The two countries should end this war as soon as possible.
Russia is a great power, if it gets deeply involved in this war, Russia will be the one to bear the heaviest losses.
Russia might be smiling now knowing that the effect is widespread and doesn't only happen to them. Instead of feeling down or feeling pressured, they are going to feel calm while others can't help but feel the opposite thing. They are blaming Russia now for the effects that they feel.

Pretty sure Ukraine wants to this war now badly, the more that we wish but the decision was all up to Russia. Their mindset is different from us or to Ukrainians. Until now there is still news about the war, they keep updating if what are Russia's latest actions against Ukraine. Are there any countries before which economies have not survived? I guess there aren't any yet. Russia can for sure survive this too.
Putin has been preparing this war for long so i think the Russian economy can still survive which is considered the 11th biggest economy in the world. But it would be a very complicated economy for sure. With all the unprecedented international sanctions against Russia, clearly its economy right now is not doing good. But if Putin will chose not to end this war, its always expected that there will be extension of international sanctions against Russia and the people will definitely experience the hardest part as these sanctions will cut off all their necessities and everything essentials in life.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Abiky on March 11, 2022, 06:20:09 PM
Putin has been preparing this war for long so i think the Russian economy can still survive which is considered the 11th biggest economy in the world. But it would be a very complicated economy for sure. With all the unprecedented international sanctions against Russia, clearly its economy right now is not doing good. But if Putin will chose not to end this war, its always expected that there will be extension of international sanctions against Russia and the people will definitely experience the hardest part as these sanctions will cut off all their necessities and everything essentials in life.

I think the Russian economy can still survive since Russia is a natural producer of gas and oil. It can sell those resources to its allies in order to become self-sustainable. I guess Russia will create its own payment system that would be an alternative to SWIFT in order to become immune from sanctions in the future. That, combined with the use of cryptocurrencies, should make the Russian economy rise from the ground up.

With China by its side, you can bet the Russian economy won't be like this for long. Putin knows this, that's why he hasn't stopped the war with Ukraine. Unless the West and the EU impose sanctions on Russia's allies, things will only get worse. Who knows what will happen with Russia by the end of the year? Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Sanitough on March 11, 2022, 09:16:28 PM
Putin has been preparing this war for long so i think the Russian economy can still survive which is considered the 11th biggest economy in the world. But it would be a very complicated economy for sure. With all the unprecedented international sanctions against Russia, clearly its economy right now is not doing good. But if Putin will chose not to end this war, its always expected that there will be extension of international sanctions against Russia and the people will definitely experience the hardest part as these sanctions will cut off all their necessities and everything essentials in life.

I think the Russian economy can still survive since Russia is a natural producer of gas and oil. It can sell those resources to its allies in order to become self-sustainable. I guess Russia will create its own payment system that would be an alternative to SWIFT in order to become immune from sanctions in the future. That, combined with the use of cryptocurrencies, should make the Russian economy rise from the ground up.

With China by its side, you can bet the Russian economy won't be like this for long. Putin knows this, that's why he hasn't stopped the war with Ukraine. Unless the West and the EU impose sanctions on Russia's allies, things will only get worse. Who knows what will happen with Russia by the end of the year? Just my thoughts ;D
True. With China that is still supporting Russia, it can never fall into its worst condition. At the end of the day, these sanctions will never create negative impact on their country because Putin has already anticipated it before he started this war. But even so, the fact that all Russians have been hard for them to live a normal life like before, then these sanctions will always be detrimental for them. Putin may not admit it but now all his power and connections have become irrelevant and are slowly dying because of the aggression that he started.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: CaVO32 on March 11, 2022, 10:00:20 PM
Putin has been preparing this war for long so i think the Russian economy can still survive which is considered the 11th biggest economy in the world. But it would be a very complicated economy for sure. With all the unprecedented international sanctions against Russia, clearly its economy right now is not doing good. But if Putin will chose not to end this war, its always expected that there will be extension of international sanctions against Russia and the people will definitely experience the hardest part as these sanctions will cut off all their necessities and everything essentials in life.

I think the Russian economy can still survive since Russia is a natural producer of gas and oil. It can sell those resources to its allies in order to become self-sustainable. I guess Russia will create its own payment system that would be an alternative to SWIFT in order to become immune from sanctions in the future. That, combined with the use of cryptocurrencies, should make the Russian economy rise from the ground up.

With China by its side, you can bet the Russian economy won't be like this for long. Putin knows this, that's why he hasn't stopped the war with Ukraine. Unless the West and the EU impose sanctions on Russia's allies, things will only get worse. Who knows what will happen with Russia by the end of the year? Just my thoughts ;D
True. With China that is still supporting Russia, it can never fall into its worst condition. At the end of the day, these sanctions will never create negative impact on their country because Putin has already anticipated it before he started this war. But even so, the fact that all Russians have been hard for them to live a normal life like before, then these sanctions will always be detrimental for them. Putin may not admit it but now all his power and connections have become irrelevant and are slowly dying because of the aggression that he started.

The negative impact will always be there after this war. But with the help of China on the other side, they can slowly regain whatever is left on their country. It would be very hard if they will do it all alone. But because China, another superpower, is not joining these sanctions, they have hope to recover. But it would be long and slow just like in Ukraine. Up until now, we don't know what will be the aftermath of this war. Will this be over soon or will extend up until there's no more left on Ukraine? This is hard to believe that this war is happening in this 21st century, but some really did predict that Putin will resort to this war.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Hypnosis00 on March 11, 2022, 10:13:14 PM
Honestly, we can't underestimate the capability of Russia. They have good economic resources that could help them recover fast and even if the war stays longer, they are still able to provide a good living to their people. Putin is a smart person nor does he thinks this put their country to fall as for sure he never allows it.

https://geohistory.today/resource-extraction-export-russia/
With all of these resources, Russia will surely survive even sanctions take effect. 


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: adzino on March 11, 2022, 10:46:40 PM
You think that Russia started the war all of a sudden without thinking. He has been preparing himself for this for years. He was aware of all the consequences he would face. So he already has all the alternative needed right on his hands. He has China with him, which is going to be a huge backup for him. Like, when Master and Visa decided to stop providing them services, Putin has already started to work with Unipay, a Chinese owned payment processor. Yes, Russia will survive the economy in the long run. And if they decide to use crypto currencies, it will be more easy for them to survive.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: darkangel11 on March 11, 2022, 10:57:21 PM
Honestly, we can't underestimate the capability of Russia. They have good economic resources that could help them recover fast and even if the war stays longer, they are still able to provide a good living to their people. Putin is a smart person nor does he thinks this put their country to fall as for sure he never allows it.

https://geohistory.today/resource-extraction-export-russia/
With all of these resources, Russia will surely survive even sanctions take effect. 

The analysts don't agree with you. Some say Russia has only 6 months left, others that it's going to be 10 months, but all are agreeing that Russia will have to stop the war this year or go bankrupt.

It's probably going to be too long for Ukraine anyway because I doubt they can keep fighting if Russia dedicates everything to war for the next 6 months. At the same time these two are destroying each other because after another 6 months of fighting Ukraine will be a graveyard full of bodies from both sides and Russia will be out of every possible group and event. No sports, no music, no food in stores, even China won't have anything to do with them if they keep killing for many months.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: qwertyup23 on March 11, 2022, 11:42:31 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

They can somehow survive but the economic impacts would have significant damage to the Russian economy to the point that it might drive inflation worse.

Unfortunately, this bloody and unnecessary war has brought Russian citizens as the collateral to Putin's decision as a tyrant. The effects would be felt and its citizens would have to suffer from such decision. In order to at least mitigate the damage, the government must look for alternatives to its allies (looking at you China) in order to provide various options to encourage spending. Inflation might be exploding at their country which would also drive their citizens to leave their country.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 13, 2022, 07:00:38 PM
I think that the only way out of the sanctions is an economic aid from a country or countries allied to Russia, and the most optioned is in the first place China, which is evident that they fully support Russia, on the other hand it can be supported by the Middle East through Arabia, which is a very prosperous and rich country, apart from having its ally from South America through Venezuela, which will not give it economically but if it can give it gold and precious metals that Maduro will not hesitate to send to Putin when he asks, I think these are the outlets he has.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: teosanru on March 13, 2022, 07:13:38 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
Truth is no economy can survive in solace these days, even the countries that are putting up these sanctions are also really hurting their economy due to these sanctions and actually have to find viable substitutes sources of the resources that Russia used to Provide to them. I think it's just a matter of a few weeks before people of Russia especially the riches of Russia begin to put pressure on Putin to retrace back it's forces from Ukraine. No one wants to lose money in the long run, for government, it's not a big deal they can put the bill on the people but for billionaires, it's their hard-earned money they won't let Putin


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Abiky on March 16, 2022, 06:00:02 PM
You think that Russia started the war all of a sudden without thinking. He has been preparing himself for this for years. He was aware of all the consequences he would face. So he already has all the alternative needed right on his hands. He has China with him, which is going to be a huge backup for him. Like, when Master and Visa decided to stop providing them services, Putin has already started to work with Unipay, a Chinese owned payment processor. Yes, Russia will survive the economy in the long run. And if they decide to use crypto currencies, it will be more easy for them to survive.

It's probable Putin planned everything before deciding to invade Ukraine. After all, he's a very smart person. The Ruble may be going down now, but it could recover as China comes to the rescue. And don't let me get started with the adoption of cryptocurrencies by the Russian government. With all of the natural resources Russia has at its disposal, it's easy enough to become self-sustainable.

Nonetheless, sanctions are just sanctions. Only a direct war between Russia and other countries will put an end to Putin's ambitions to conquer Ukraine. But the world is afraid of doing so, since Russia is a nuclear superpower. We'll see how everything will play out in the long run with Putin willing to revive the Soviet Union. Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: macson on March 16, 2022, 06:29:22 PM
It's probable Putin planned everything before deciding to invade Ukraine. After all, he's a very smart person. The Ruble may be going down now, but it could recover as China comes to the rescue. And don't let me get started with the adoption of cryptocurrencies by the Russian government. With all of the natural resources Russia has at its disposal, it's easy enough to become self-sustainable.

Nonetheless, sanctions are just sanctions. Only a direct war between Russia and other countries will put an end to Putin's ambitions to conquer Ukraine. But the world is afraid of doing so, since Russia is a nuclear superpower. We'll see how everything will play out in the long run with Putin willing to revive the Soviet Union. Just my thoughts ;D
If attack Ukraine without proper preparation and planning, Russia will only do what is called suicide.  Don't forget that Russia has a friendly country that is China.  putin and his government must have a perfect plan and also strong support how to survive international sanctions when carrying out an invasion, hearing you mention the soviet union i wonder if that is putin's main goal!


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: uneng on March 16, 2022, 06:32:40 PM
It's hard to know how effective sanctions are going to be. Of course the media is telling Russia is going to suffer a lot economically, they are doomed and there are no chances for them, but I keep in mind the media is trying to raise the morale of the world against Russia in order to weak Putin, what would make potential allies keep distance from him.

But the truth is that Putin also has his own methods. Russia supplies gas and fertilizers in large scale to foreigner nations. Without this supply, the whole world will also perish if nothing is done fast to replace russian supplies. Both sides are being prejudiced economically by the war and I have the impression Russia isn't totally isolated or in a terrible position like the media is saying.

It's crazy how weak leadership in USA and Europe along the past two decades in special have accommodate themselves in a so dependent position from Russia for basics needs. USA could have never allowed Russia to supply fertilizers in large scale like that to the world! They literally fed the beast.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Oasisman on March 16, 2022, 06:42:52 PM

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

If there is an economic sanctions that could stop Russian to invade Ukraine, they shouldn't have initiate the war.
Putin knew his country's economic capabilities and he knew who will stand by their side in situations like this.
So, I guess no economic sanctions can stop Russia from ruining Ukraine and yes they surely can survive it. Though people from Russia may suffer with their international relation in terms of businesses.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Freeesta on March 16, 2022, 06:49:38 PM
This military operation has a definite purpose. Until this goal is achieved, Russia will not stop its actions. In that case, none of this makes sense. Therefore, I believe that it is necessary to wait for an agreement between the presidents of Russia and Ukraine. Only at the negotiating table can a common solution be found and end this war.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: darkangel11 on March 16, 2022, 07:01:57 PM

If there is an economic sanctions that could stop Russian to invade Ukraine, they shouldn't have initiate the war.
Putin knew his country's economic capabilities and he knew who will stand by their side in situations like this.
So, I guess no economic sanctions can stop Russia from ruining Ukraine and yes they surely can survive it. Though people from Russia may suffer with their international relation in terms of businesses.

If Russia was ready then why is it limiting bank withdrawals and blocking people from exchanging rubles to foreign currencies? Why is it out of fiat money? I don't think they are ready and I don't think they can take the sanctions for a long time. Putin knew what he was doing but he underestimated Ukraine. He thought he'd get sanctioned but Ukraine will surrender by the time these sanctions can hurt Russia and then Russia will withdraw, taking Crimea and Donbas with it and the sanctions will begin to ease up.

If the war drags on for another month there won't be much economy left in Putinland.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: verita1 on March 16, 2022, 09:53:04 PM
The cost of wars is very high and for Russia it will be even higher. The country has not diversified its economy, the sanctions will keep the nation isolated from economic partners. The panorama is very sad, conflicts of this nature leave traces and poverty.
We have seen in the news that there were Russian citizens who did not want this war, I think that nobody wants the war, only a few who believe that things are solved by force.
In the end, all that remains is to rebuild and it will take time, what was lost in an instant will take decades to be rebuilt.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Zilon on March 17, 2022, 11:20:41 AM
-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
Putin foresaw this and had to legalize crypto as a legal tender. If putin decided to base on their fiat to keep Russian economy going then the sanctions would have had really strong effect on their economy seeing how much the Russian Ruble keeps depreciating against every other currency. If there should be a country that should embrace the sweet benefits of decentralization at the moment it should be Russians 


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Vaculin on March 17, 2022, 09:40:04 PM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.
Sanctions left and right made Russia hard to recover from this war but knowing how huge this country and how capable they are, i think Russians will still be able to survive and recover from all these sanctions. However, with these different sanctions, Russians will find it hard to live a normal life after this war but with the help of China, things will slowly recover until all the damages from this war will only be part of history.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: South Park on March 17, 2022, 09:44:21 PM
The cost of wars is very high and for Russia it will be even higher. The country has not diversified its economy, the sanctions will keep the nation isolated from economic partners. The panorama is very sad, conflicts of this nature leave traces and poverty.
We have seen in the news that there were Russian citizens who did not want this war, I think that nobody wants the war, only a few who believe that things are solved by force.
In the end, all that remains is to rebuild and it will take time, what was lost in an instant will take decades to be rebuilt.
This is the worst part of this, I am pretty sure a great deal of the Russian citizens do not want this war but now they have to suffer the same consequences as those that wanted the war, and if we are honest the ones that caused this war, like Putin, are not really suffering at all, after all even if some of his accounts are frozen and he losses billions he still has a lot of money staked somewhere and he can always get more of it whenever he wants, so all of those sanctions are not doing much to him on a personal level.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Quidat on March 17, 2022, 09:59:17 PM
-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
Putin foresaw this and had to legalize crypto as a legal tender. If putin decided to base on their fiat to keep Russian economy going then the sanctions would have had really strong effect on their economy seeing how much the Russian Ruble keeps depreciating against every other currency. If there should be a country that should embrace the sweet benefits of decentralization at the moment it should be Russians  
No, i do still doubt that they would be making out decision on replacing their fiat for making bitcoin as a legal tender which is next on what El Salvador did which for them to save up their ass.
Putin had already anticipated for this thing to happen but pretty sure that he do knows on how to handle up the situation even though it is hard but we are currently seeing
on how they are handling up the situation when it comes to economic issues.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: AicecreaME on March 19, 2022, 03:30:52 PM
You think that Russia started the war all of a sudden without thinking. He has been preparing himself for this for years. He was aware of all the consequences he would face. So he already has all the alternative needed right on his hands. He has China with him, which is going to be a huge backup for him. Like, when Master and Visa decided to stop providing them services, Putin has already started to work with Unipay, a Chinese owned payment processor. Yes, Russia will survive the economy in the long run. And if they decide to use crypto currencies, it will be more easy for them to survive.

It's probable Putin planned everything before deciding to invade Ukraine. After all, he's a very smart person. The Ruble may be going down now, but it could recover as China comes to the rescue. And don't let me get started with the adoption of cryptocurrencies by the Russian government. With all of the natural resources Russia has at its disposal, it's easy enough to become self-sustainable.

Nonetheless, sanctions are just sanctions. Only a direct war between Russia and other countries will put an end to Putin's ambitions to conquer Ukraine. But the world is afraid of doing so, since Russia is a nuclear superpower. We'll see how everything will play out in the long run with Putin willing to revive the Soviet Union. Just my thoughts ;D

Nice analyzation you got there.

Indeed, Putin really did plan all of his actions he executed and is executing right now. The Russian's president is intelligent enough to foresee the things before it actually happen. Everything the military are instructed to do are definitely well-planned and thought of. For sure, they also did see coming the sanctions that will be imposed upon them once they invaded Ukraine, hence, has prepared for it also.

Cryptocurrency can be their way to evade the sanctions given to them by most countries. Despite their bank accounts being frozen, the higher ups, most especially those who are in favor of the war, already prepared their funds in various platforms such as in crypto, so they could access it despite the restrictions. This is just so unfortunate for those who are innocent because they are also at the scope of the sanctions, despite not wanting to be involved. After all, the sanction is applicable to everyone in Russia.

Countries are afraid of being involved in the Russia-Ukraine conflict because being involved means siding to the other. Which could trigger the aggressiveness of Russia that could possibly lead to a bigger war. Hence, most countries just choose to extend their help in subtle ways possible.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Cling18 on March 19, 2022, 03:49:48 PM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.
Sanctions left and right made Russia hard to recover from this war but knowing how huge this country is and how capable they are, I think Russians will still be able to survive and recover from all these sanctions. However, with these different sanctions, Russians will find it hard to live a normal life after this war but with the help of China, things will slowly recover until all the damages from this war will only be part of history.

Despite all the sanctions, I believe that Russia will still be able to survive their economy and after this war, other countries will still help them rise again. It's just that some countries don't want to intervene. Russia is well prepared for the possibilities and consequences of their invasion so I'm sure that they're firm enough to survive this crisis.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Pomogator on March 19, 2022, 04:24:13 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
Of course, the Russian government provided for these sanctions because they received them both in 2008 and in 2014, but then these sanctions were not so large-scale, so now there is such a problem with the economy.  Honestly, I did not expect such actions from the whole world, everything turned out to be very large-scale. I think Russia will withstand this blow, but everything will not be the same as before.  Much will change within the country. All the negative consequences will fall on ordinary people, and I'm not happy about this.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: darkangel11 on March 19, 2022, 05:56:26 PM
Nice analyzation you got there.

Indeed, Putin really did plan all of his actions he executed and is executing right now. The Russian's president is intelligent enough to foresee the things before it actually happen. Everything the military are instructed to do are definitely well-planned and thought of. For sure, they also did see coming the sanctions that will be imposed upon them once they invaded Ukraine, hence, has prepared for it also.

Sure, the attack was so well planned that they run out of fuel half way into Kiev. They also planned so well that they sent a special forces unit alone into town hoping they'd do some damage, but the unit was completely destroyed before they even reached the city. It takes years to train special forces and they were sent to their deaths. Couldn't do any damage.
I'm also sure smart Putin expected that Turkish drones will do so much damage that his soldiers will start shooting themselves in the legs just to be able to leave Ukraine. Yes, that's real. They are looking for Ukrainian weapons so that they can shoot themselves with their ammo and go to a hospital.

Smart Russians also brought an encrypted field communication system but it doesn't work and they're calling each other using normal phones to relay orders. The Ukrainian forces triangulated some of these calls and attacked the locations killing a few commanders, including 2 Russian generals.

Say what you want but Russians have to be the dumbest army in the world. There's even an interview on youtube with Ukrainian soldiers who say that Russians are dumb. They held a village for a few days and Ukrainians put anti tank mines on the road out of the village and kept shooting at Russians for days to make them leave. One day Russians packed up all their tanks and decided to take the road where the mines were.

In one town Russian tank run out of fuel so the crew went from door to door asking for fuel. They even went to a police station where they got themselves disarmed and arrested :D




Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: PhoenixZephyrus on March 19, 2022, 07:49:21 PM

Nice analyzation you got there.

Indeed, Putin really did plan all of his actions he executed and is executing right now. The Russian's president is intelligent enough to foresee the things before it actually happen. Everything the military are instructed to do are definitely well-planned and thought of. For sure, they also did see coming the sanctions that will be imposed upon them once they invaded Ukraine, hence, has prepared for it also.


Well if Putin really did plan ahead every step of the way, then he sure did a pretty bad job of it. Also, not Putin is planning to ban foreign firms that don't return by 1st May?
Russia to propose 10-year ban on foreign firms which don't return by May 1 (http://"https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/russia-to-propose-10-year-ban-on-foreign-firms-which-don-t-return-by-may-1-122031800487_1.html") Moreover Russia is seizing the property of the firms that are leaving.

And this ban is like sanctioning their own economy in a way lol. What good will that do? This move doesn't seem very "planned out", more like trying to take everything with him while going out. The ruble is already suffering a lot, so much so that there was a video recently of a man just throwing out rubles in a supermarket, because the currency is kinda worthless. The general people of Russia are suffering and most of them don't even want Putin/support the war.


Say what you want but Russians have to be the dumbest army in the world. There's even an interview on youtube with Ukrainian soldiers who say that Russians are dumb. They held a village for a few days and Ukrainians put anti tank mines on the road out of the village and kept shooting at Russians for days to make them leave. One day Russians packed up all their tanks and decided to take the road where the mines were.

In one town Russian tank run out of fuel so the crew went from door to door asking for fuel. They even went to a police station where they got themselves disarmed and arrested :D

Russia also does have a compulsory military draft, so I guess that plays a role in this too. I've seen sources say that quite a large part of the youth that are drafted are hardly trained. Not to mention that a lot of the "first-invading army" didn't even know that they were supposedly attacking Ukraine until they got there. I guess they were pretty confused too.



Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: darkangel11 on March 20, 2022, 03:15:16 PM
Russia also does have a compulsory military draft, so I guess that plays a role in this too. I've seen sources say that quite a large part of the youth that are drafted are hardly trained. Not to mention that a lot of the "first-invading army" didn't even know that they were supposedly attacking Ukraine until they got there. I guess they were pretty confused too.

It's probable that Russian planners really thought Ukrainian people will want to join Russia and if they manage to defeat border guards and first wave of Ukrainian defense the rest of the soldiers will run away or surrender and so will the government. Sending cannon fodder seemed like a good decision because trained soldiers were more valuable and if the offensive went easy conscripts would gain some experience and confidence. They thought the invasion will be like military training in real field. Such hubris!


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Pomogator on March 20, 2022, 04:19:53 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I think these sanctions would have been introduced sooner or later, it was a matter of time. Any reason would lead to sanctions, they would just not be so massive. I think Russia will withstand such sanctions, but it will be very painful, and ordinary people will suffer first of all. And most likely there will be new sanctions, this cannot be avoided.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Marvell1 on March 20, 2022, 04:56:37 PM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.
Sanctions left and right made Russia hard to recover from this war but knowing how huge this country and how capable they are, i think Russians will still be able to survive and recover from all these sanctions. However, with these different sanctions, Russians will find it hard to live a normal life after this war but with the help of China, things will slowly recover until all the damages from this war will only be part of history.
Before the start of the war, President Putin had a meeting with President Xi Jinping during the opening ceremony of the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics. The two men discussed bilateral issues and international strategic security. The two sides have called the partnership "unlimited". Showed that they were prepared for all possible scenarios and the closeness of the two sides. The Russians will not perish from sanctions, but recovery and growth will require the help of the Asian giants.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Kemarit on March 21, 2022, 01:28:57 AM
They can for sure.

What do people think of Russia, as a small country that won't recover or will be a big hit by those sanctions? I think that it's going to be an easy thing for them.

Just look at their allies, they have China on their back, and for sure that it will help them to cover up those sanctions if ever they can stand on their own.

But I think they will.
Sanctions left and right made Russia hard to recover from this war but knowing how huge this country and how capable they are, i think Russians will still be able to survive and recover from all these sanctions. However, with these different sanctions, Russians will find it hard to live a normal life after this war but with the help of China, things will slowly recover until all the damages from this war will only be part of history.
Before the start of the war, President Putin had a meeting with President Xi Jinping during the opening ceremony of the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics. The two men discussed bilateral issues and international strategic security. The two sides have called the partnership "unlimited". Showed that they were prepared for all possible scenarios and the closeness of the two sides. The Russians will not perish from sanctions, but recovery and growth will require the help of the Asian giants.

I think Russia will survived with all the sanctions around them, we haven't seen any countries fully drained just because the West and it's allies put a embargo on them. But there will be outside help like China which has a close ties with Russia for many years now and they have one common enemy which is US. US though is pressuring China in this case, but China doesn't care, I mean if US wants to sanction them, so be it. History will judge which is really the aggressor or who provokes this kind of friction globally.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: molsewid on March 21, 2022, 08:33:56 AM

I think Russia will survived with all the sanctions around them, we haven't seen any countries fully drained just because the West and it's allies put a embargo on them. But there will be outside help like China which has a close ties with Russia for many years now and they have one common enemy which is US. US though is pressuring China in this case, but China doesn't care, I mean if US wants to sanction them, so be it. History will judge which is really the aggressor or who provokes this kind of friction globally.

Yes I believe also that Russia can still survive despite of left and right sanctions. Russia has an oil resources that also affects every nation's economy today, we're not directly affected by the war but the economic crisis that this war brought to us has been felt by the oil price hike and inflation. Also, did we forget that Russia may not have western countries but it has a strong ally on their side which can also be known as a strong and wealthy country which is China, so I believe Russia can still survive.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bakasabo on March 21, 2022, 08:45:40 AM
Sure, the attack was so well planned that they run out of fuel half way into Kiev. They also planned so well that they sent a special forces unit alone into town hoping they'd do some damage, but the unit was completely destroyed before they even reached the city. It takes years to train special forces and they were sent to their deaths. Couldn't do any damage.
I'm also sure smart Putin expected that Turkish drones will do so much damage that his soldiers will start shooting themselves in the legs just to be able to leave Ukraine. Yes, that's real. They are looking for Ukrainian weapons so that they can shoot themselves with their ammo and go to a hospital.

Smart Russians also brought an encrypted field communication system but it doesn't work and they're calling each other using normal phones to relay orders. The Ukrainian forces triangulated some of these calls and attacked the locations killing a few commanders, including 2 Russian generals.

Say what you want but Russians have to be the dumbest army in the world. There's even an interview on youtube with Ukrainian soldiers who say that Russians are dumb. They held a village for a few days and Ukrainians put anti tank mines on the road out of the village and kept shooting at Russians for days to make them leave. One day Russians packed up all their tanks and decided to take the road where the mines were.

In one town Russian tank run out of fuel so the crew went from door to door asking for fuel. They even went to a police station where they got themselves disarmed and arrested :D


There are dump soldiers from both sides - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G-n7fdYp_g. You get this from mass media, and they know how to manipulate with opinion. You can search for Russian propaganda and find similar bloopers from Ukrainian army. I can just say that in media war Russia is loosing badly.

I believe that smart people does not participate in war, dont fight. Smart people can solve everything with negotiations. And what we see right now are pawn, that pointlessly and without initiative doing orders like go there, shoot there.

"2 Russian generals". This is not the first time high ranked army serviceman are being killed. There is a rumor, that someone is cleaning this "high management" on purpose to perform takeover authorities.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: RealMalatesta on March 21, 2022, 07:28:04 PM
There are dump soldiers from both sides - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G-n7fdYp_g. You get this from mass media, and they know how to manipulate with opinion. You can search for Russian propaganda and find similar bloopers from Ukrainian army. I can just say that in media war Russia is loosing badly.

I believe that smart people does not participate in war, dont fight. Smart people can solve everything with negotiations. And what we see right now are pawn, that pointlessly and without initiative doing orders like go there, shoot there.

"2 Russian generals". This is not the first time high ranked army serviceman are being killed. There is a rumor, that someone is cleaning this "high management" on purpose to perform takeover authorities.
Anyone who have been watching news for the past 10 years or so while checking social media knows about this. We have been fed lies for decades and decades but we did not know about it. Today we know about it because we can see the real news online in social media. People share the real footage, real situations all on social media and this is why the news you see on TV stations are obviously lie to us now.

The USA has lied to its citizens and the world for decades, literally near 100 years by now, and Russia has done the same thing at least as long, Europe is famously known about lies on other nations. It is normal for us who live in none of these places because they have lied about us at least once, all of them. Now they are doing it to each other.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: crzy on March 21, 2022, 09:18:41 PM

I think Russia will survived with all the sanctions around them, we haven't seen any countries fully drained just because the West and it's allies put a embargo on them. But there will be outside help like China which has a close ties with Russia for many years now and they have one common enemy which is US. US though is pressuring China in this case, but China doesn't care, I mean if US wants to sanction them, so be it. History will judge which is really the aggressor or who provokes this kind of friction globally.

Yes I believe also that Russia can still survive despite of left and right sanctions. Russia has an oil resources that also affects every nation's economy today, we're not directly affected by the war but the economic crisis that this war brought to us has been felt by the oil price hike and inflation. Also, did we forget that Russia may not have western countries but it has a strong ally on their side which can also be known as a strong and wealthy country which is China, so I believe Russia can still survive.
Russia is prepared for this, those sanctions are expected but seriously this can still affect their economy and you can see that on their stock market, many are selling because they know what’s coming. You can also see their central bank on a big shock, and forced them to increase the rate instantly which you can say that, its already the start of economic crisis. Creating war may not be a problem, but expect the inflation to rise in Russia even if they have a good partner with China.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bakasabo on March 22, 2022, 09:17:38 AM
Main harm that is made by sanctions are hundred thousand, if not a million of unemployed people. People who worked with import and foreign companies. I am sure that Russian economy could handle with inflation, and lack of goods from abroad. China will help them with it, all they need to do right now is to solve logistics issues. But the huge amount of unemployed will be real problem. Without work, people start to become dumb. Uneducated, dumb crowd is uncontrolled and dangerous.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: sayaya17 on March 22, 2022, 10:39:22 AM

I think Russia will survived with all the sanctions around them, we haven't seen any countries fully drained just because the West and it's allies put a embargo on them. But there will be outside help like China which has a close ties with Russia for many years now and they have one common enemy which is US. US though is pressuring China in this case, but China doesn't care, I mean if US wants to sanction them, so be it. History will judge which is really the aggressor or who provokes this kind of friction globally.

Yes I believe also that Russia can still survive despite of left and right sanctions. Russia has an oil resources that also affects every nation's economy today, we're not directly affected by the war but the economic crisis that this war brought to us has been felt by the oil price hike and inflation. Also, did we forget that Russia may not have western countries but it has a strong ally on their side which can also be known as a strong and wealthy country which is China, so I believe Russia can still survive.

Before Russia decided to go to war with Ukraine, Russia must have taken into account the effects it would have on their country. Since Russia is
a big country and has experienced leaders, I'm sure they will prepare everything, I believe Russia will be able to overcome the economic
problems caused by the war with Ukraine. Besides Russia being able to take advantage of its natural resources, Russia has also collaborated with
several countries to help their economy. One of them is China, which has long had good relations with Russia, even though China and Russia are
not formally allied. But they have the same goal of wanting to resist pressure from America and NATO. So I agree with you that Russia can overcome
the economic problems caused by getting sanctions from America and NATO. Therefore Russia did not stop the war even though it was threatened
with sanctions, because Russia is pretty sure they can overcome the economic problems that will result from getting sanctions.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Lizzylove1 on March 22, 2022, 02:46:48 PM
The sanctions are already having a toil on the nation of Russia, international companies are closing down and leaving and that is a big loss to the people, people are loosing their jobs, I read that one of their airports has asked about 40% of their staff to go home as there is a low traffic at the airport. Russia will definitely look to China and other allies to evade the sanctions of the West. I hope we return to peace soon.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: darkangel11 on March 22, 2022, 07:07:28 PM
There are dump soldiers from both sides - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G-n7fdYp_g. You get this from mass media, and they know how to manipulate with opinion. You can search for Russian propaganda and find similar bloopers from Ukrainian army. I can just say that in media war Russia is loosing badly.

I believe that smart people does not participate in war, dont fight. Smart people can solve everything with negotiations. And what we see right now are pawn, that pointlessly and without initiative doing orders like go there, shoot there.

"2 Russian generals". This is not the first time high ranked army serviceman are being killed. There is a rumor, that someone is cleaning this "high management" on purpose to perform takeover authorities.

The video you gave as an example of blunder isn't really showing anything big or stupid. This guy is most likely from territorial defense so he's just a citizen eager to fight with minimum training. He was playing around with the gun and dropped the magazine and was so ashamed that he tried to hide it, making the whole thing worse. I'm sure he knew how to fit the magazine back and he'd be able to do it if he wasn't trying to look at the camera and cover the gun with 1 hand while doing it. It was funny, but not a serious blunder like sending a group of tanks into a muddy field just to lose all of them. I've seen pictures of 4 or 5 tanks stuck in the same place in the mud. These are billions of dollars in equipment lost to stupidity.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: CaVO32 on March 22, 2022, 10:42:43 PM
The sanctions are already having a toil on the nation of Russia, international companies are closing down and leaving and that is a big loss to the people, people are loosing their jobs, I read that one of their airports has asked about 40% of their staff to go home as there is a low traffic at the airport. Russia will definitely look to China and other allies to evade the sanctions of the West. I hope we return to peace soon.

It is indeed happening and right now, what they can do is accept the situation and find ways how to survive during this war. They can always recover but it would be a long road ahead of them. Their people are not ready for this situation so they are grappling how to survive. Russia will always find their ally, maybe from China. So it is another giant economy, which can assist them in their recovery period.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Oceat on March 22, 2022, 11:19:07 PM
The sanctions are already having a toil on the nation of Russia, international companies are closing down and leaving and that is a big loss to the people, people are loosing their jobs, I read that one of their airports has asked about 40% of their staff to go home as there is a low traffic at the airport. Russia will definitely look to China and other allies to evade the sanctions of the West. I hope we return to peace soon.

It is indeed happening and right now, what they can do is accept the situation and find ways how to survive during this war. They can always recover but it would be a long road ahead of them. Their people are not ready for this situation so they are grappling how to survive. Russia will always find their ally, maybe from China. So it is another giant economy, which can assist them in their recovery period.
Well, if they did manage to survive in the past then they will probably going to survive too in the future. That sanction is only on the west but majority of the Asian countries didn't join the west sanctioning Russia. Asian countries don't want to get involve on their land territory fight since they all know what's going to happen since it has embarked already on their history what they suffer when west joining wars.

That's what I believe though but time will tell what's it gonna be since Russia is one of the giant in terms of power. They know their history.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: ChiBitCTy on March 23, 2022, 12:47:51 AM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

This is a question I’ve been asking myself as well as time has gone on and as we’ve seen more and more sanctions being handed out. I think a large part of it is going to come from the people themselves, they are of course going to feel the ramifications of this hitting their pocket books, so the questions becomes when is enough enough for them?

I sure hope they are hurting their economy is a big way. We need this war to win immediately.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Mauser on March 23, 2022, 02:10:42 AM
-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

I do believe that the Russian economy can survive at the moment, even if the sanctions are getting worse. At the beginning of the Ukraine Russia war it seemed very bad for Russia with all the sanctions, the biggest one removing Russia from swift system. The concern were that Russia is going to default on its foreign currency debt. This didn't happen luckily. American banks still keep open channels with Russia and coupon payments have been made. So Russia is not completely isolated and the debt prices recovered considerably. As for all dealings in rubble, Putin can just print more of them.
The main export for Russia is Oil and Gas, while some countries and companies said they are not going to make new contracts with Russia for future supply, the old contracts are still valid and being paid. Many countries in the European Union made it clear they are not going to stop relying on Russian imports. It's one thing to try and hurt Russia, but you can destroy your own economy because of it. Fuel prices are through the roof in Europe, inflation is rising. I think the West will keep trading with Putin and stabilise the Russian economy.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bakasabo on March 23, 2022, 08:02:59 AM
It was funny, but not a serious blunder like sending a group of tanks into a muddy field just to lose all of them. I've seen pictures of 4 or 5 tanks stuck in the same place in the mud. These are billions of dollars in equipment lost to stupidity.

Tanks stuck in mud ? This is really lack of tactical education...

Do you really believe in all that stories of dumb Russian soldiers, that went to fuel station when they ran out of fuel ? I dont believe that tanks run on regular fuel, or use regular car diesel. Or the story when a granny shot down Russian war drone with a jar of cucumbers? I would not believe in anything mass media show or tell.

https://noonecares.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/media-manipulation-003.jpg

Casualties are from both sides. Both sides have their own truth. Both sides have idiots. Both sides should stop military actions.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Joshapat on March 23, 2022, 10:29:21 AM
The economy is getting closer to Russia, but I'm sure this has been carefully taken into account, but because Russia has a strong allies like China, I'm sure the sanctions will not have too much impact, besides that Russia has oil reserves and the gas needed by the European state so that it has the power to Avoid strict economic sanctions such as other countries.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: darewaller on March 23, 2022, 04:03:58 PM
Main harm that is made by sanctions are hundred thousand, if not a million of unemployed people. People who worked with import and foreign companies. I am sure that Russian economy could handle with inflation, and lack of goods from abroad. China will help them with it, all they need to do right now is to solve logistics issues. But the huge amount of unemployed will be real problem. Without work, people start to become dumb. Uneducated, dumb crowd is uncontrolled and dangerous.
It is obvious that there will always be some people who will be upset over the fact that Russia got sanctions (mainly Russians). I mean Russians may not be happy about the fact that they are unemployed and living in a horrible situation right now, but what did you expected when you have a dictator?

I get that you may not have enough power to overthrow a dictator, he may get you killed, jailed and basically do something horrible. But at the end of the day, we are talking about a dictator and you can't really blame the world for not working with you because of it. You have to blame your dictator, not the west. If they can't learn that, they can't get better.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Findingnemo on March 23, 2022, 04:34:35 PM
The economy is getting closer to Russia, but I'm sure this has been carefully taken into account, but because Russia has a strong allies like China, I'm sure the sanctions will not have too much impact, besides that Russia has oil reserves and the gas needed by the European state so that it has the power to Avoid strict economic sanctions such as other countries.
Sanction back fired the allies, gas prices hitting sky high so everyone is going to be affected especially western countries including NATO, now the new era begins because Putin announced that people can only buy gas from Russia with Ruble so its going to affect the USD too soon.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 23, 2022, 05:16:25 PM
The economy is getting closer to Russia, but I'm sure this has been carefully taken into account, but because Russia has a strong allies like China, I'm sure the sanctions will not have too much impact, besides that Russia has oil reserves and the gas needed by the European state so that it has the power to Avoid strict economic sanctions such as other countries.
Of course, the Russians didn't just stand still and calculated the worst-case scenario,
I think Russia knows that they will be subject to sanctions by various countries but of course the brands also have a strategy to deal with this,
Let's see what happens next and let's follow the progress

Maybe they have calculated it from the beginning, but they know that they still have the last laugh because of the oil they have. The supplied Europe and now that sanctions are around, Europe and the world are suffering from the gas hike as an effect. So we really don't know who will win in this war, but for sure, there will be suffering from both sides and maybe Russia can't survived that long with all the sanctions from the West, just saying.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: kryptqnick on March 23, 2022, 08:45:39 PM
This is a question I’ve been asking myself as well as time has gone on and as we’ve seen more and more sanctions being handed out. I think a large part of it is going to come from the people themselves, they are of course going to feel the ramifications of this hitting their pocket books, so the questions becomes when is enough enough for them?

I sure hope they are hurting their economy is a big way. We need this war to win immediately.
Agreed. Major investment agencies believe Russia is heading toward default. Also, while the prognosis for Russian economy is -8%, which seems like a joke, it's worth to know that when in 1998 the GDP decreased by 4.6% (so, it's almost twice the difference), and it was called a financial crisis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Russian_financial_crisis), inflation was at 84%, and Russia recovered fast largely because of heavy trading with the world which isn't exactly an option this time, and another reason listed is the national industry benefiting due to increased prices on imported goods, but that's not going to be the case either because there will barely be any imported goods. But still, of course Ukraine needs the West to impose stronger sanctions, because these processes can take many months to unravel, whereas our civilians are dying every day.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: dunfida on March 23, 2022, 08:56:11 PM
The economy is getting closer to Russia, but I'm sure this has been carefully taken into account, but because Russia has a strong allies like China, I'm sure the sanctions will not have too much impact, besides that Russia has oil reserves and the gas needed by the European state so that it has the power to Avoid strict economic sanctions such as other countries.
Of course, the Russians didn't just stand still and calculated the worst-case scenario,
I think Russia knows that they will be subject to sanctions by various countries but of course the brands also have a strategy to deal with this,
Let's see what happens next and let's follow the progress

Maybe they have calculated it from the beginning, but they know that they still have the last laugh because of the oil they have. The supplied Europe and now that sanctions are around, Europe and the world are suffering from the gas hike as an effect. So we really don't know who will win in this war, but for sure, there will be suffering from both sides and maybe Russia can't survived that long with all the sanctions from the West, just saying.
They are really that confident because they do really have that huge reserve not only talking on some resources but totally speaking on their back up funds and of course they had already anticipated for this thing to

happen speaking with sanctions in global scale manner because into what they have done.So far they are really still holding on despite of those sanctions that they are facing on.
Yes, it would really be giving out economic effect but it seems they dont really put up much focus for that for now.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: JoyMarsha on March 23, 2022, 10:35:04 PM
Arbitrary sanctions by the west could also be viewed as an existential threat by Russia. World leaders should save the world. Ego and unnecessary selfishness will lead us nowhere other than another World War which will be likely fought with the nukes.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Ahli38 on March 24, 2022, 06:31:12 AM
-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I just finished reading one of the international media sources and I saw a topic here by accident.

From what I read, the answer to this topic, I think it fits the answer as I quote below.
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But in fact, the economic sanctions imposed on Russia are expected to be met, because Russia is thought to have prepared its economy before an invasion of its neighboring country.

In fact, International Law Observer, said that economic sanctions will certainly not have a big impact on the Russian people. And Russia will be able to survive six to 1 year after being given world sanctions.

Believe it or not, that's exactly what Russia is doing right now.

look at the current condition. Indeed, Russia still looks fine and the impact is not too big in the big country.
I think Russia can survive and even from a long time ago I think Russia had expected this to happen.
then of course they also have preparations to anticipate something like this.

I think to stop Russia can only be done by persuading ukraine to fulfill the wishes of russia and ukraine before agreeing to have to ask for certain conditions such as the safety of the ukraine president and its citizens.

but maybe in reality it's not that easy. because we don't know the real purpose of the russian invasion of ukraine.
we only know the reasons that only circulate through the news that is spread.

because I think this invasion is a big step which is also tough for Russia. Of course they have a big reason behind it.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bakasabo on March 24, 2022, 09:52:14 AM
Main harm that is made by sanctions are hundred thousand, if not a million of unemployed people. People who worked with import and foreign companies. I am sure that Russian economy could handle with inflation, and lack of goods from abroad. China will help them with it, all they need to do right now is to solve logistics issues. But the huge amount of unemployed will be real problem. Without work, people start to become dumb. Uneducated, dumb crowd is uncontrolled and dangerous.
It is obvious that there will always be some people who will be upset over the fact that Russia got sanctions (mainly Russians). I mean Russians may not be happy about the fact that they are unemployed and living in a horrible situation right now, but what did you expected when you have a dictator?

I get that you may not have enough power to overthrow a dictator, he may get you killed, jailed and basically do something horrible. But at the end of the day, we are talking about a dictator and you can't really blame the world for not working with you because of it. You have to blame your dictator, not the west. If they can't learn that, they can't get better.

Dictators are different. From people point of view, Putin and for example Kim Jong-un, are not the same. I never heard or read about protests against Kim Jong-un. There are a lot of people who support Putin, significant amount who does not. But that is not comparable how Kim Jong-un is idolized.

Lets take popular nowadays comparison of Putin and Hitler. They both did a lot of bad things, no doubt. But before WWII, Hitler send German and Austrian economy, lets say how it is common for bitcointalk, to the moon. Before WWII both countries became unbelievably developed. Putin now did exactly opposite.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Abiky on March 24, 2022, 01:44:37 PM
They are really that confident because they do really have that huge reserve not only talking on some resources but totally speaking on their back up funds and of course they had already anticipated for this thing to

happen speaking with sanctions in global scale manner because into what they have done.So far they are really still holding on despite of those sanctions that they are facing on.
Yes, it would really be giving out economic effect but it seems they dont really put up much focus for that for now.

It's probable Putin anticipated tight economic sanctions would've happened after the invasion. After all, he's a wise person. I think China will begin to finance Russia's operations to help it rise from the ground up. Russia can also sell its natural resources to other countries to keep its economy afloat. If things work out the way they should, current sanctions won't have a profound effect over Russia's economy in the long run.

To stop Putin, there needs to be a full-scale war between the US and its allies. Sanctions won't do anything to prevent Putin from conquering Ukraine. But as I've said before, the West and the EU are afraid of Russia. So they will only impose sanctions without taking any military action whatsoever. Who knows if the Ruble rises all the way to its former glory before the year ends? Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Taskford on March 24, 2022, 02:01:26 PM
They are really that confident because they do really have that huge reserve not only talking on some resources but totally speaking on their back up funds and of course they had already anticipated for this thing to

happen speaking with sanctions in global scale manner because into what they have done.So far they are really still holding on despite of those sanctions that they are facing on.
Yes, it would really be giving out economic effect but it seems they dont really put up much focus for that for now.

It's probable Putin anticipated tight economic sanctions would've happened after the invasion. After all, he's a wise person. I think China will begin to finance Russia's operations to help it rise from the ground up. Russia can also sell its natural resources to other countries to keep its economy afloat. If things work out the way they should, current sanctions won't have a profound effect over Russia's economy in the long run.

To stop Putin, there needs to be a full-scale war between the US and its allies. Sanctions won't do anything to prevent Putin from conquering Ukraine. But as I've said before, the West and the EU are afraid of Russia. So they will only impose sanctions without taking any military action whatsoever. Who knows if the Ruble rises all the way to its former glory before the year ends? Just my thoughts ;D

If he is affected on it then provably we will see him surrender and beg for other country to erase the sanctions impose to their country, but since he keeps forwarding and eager to invade Ukraine then maybe we can say that those sanctions throe to them really didn't work and I think what can make this war end if Ukrainian president will surrender and talk about how they can negotiate with Russia towards what they like to happen.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bustabitsboy on March 24, 2022, 06:46:13 PM
Just imagine two people - the first has firewood, matches, a garden, wheat, and the second has only wine. If winter comes, which of these two people will survive? I think the one that has warmth and food. Russia has everything to keep people warm and well fed. Why do you think that this country may not withstand sanctions from other states? Or do you think that if McDonald's closes, then the country is doomed to extinction? Even if this country creates a wall for itself from the rest of the world, not a single person will die from it.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on March 24, 2022, 07:42:37 PM
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In fact, International Law Observer, said that economic sanctions will certainly not have a big impact on the Russian people. And Russia will be able to survive six to 1 year after being given world sanctions.
Believe it or not, that's exactly what Russia is doing right now.
I believe it.  You have to think Putin would have anticipated the reaction from the US, UK, and other countries if he invaded Ukraine--he's not a stupid man by any means, and he's been the top dog in Russia for many years.  He knows how the game is played.

I talked to a couple of people about this situation, and they wondered why Ukraine's allies aren't doing more to support them, i.e., why haven't they sparked up a war with Russia....and I had to explain what should be obvious: you don't want to pick a fight with a country that has massive nuclear capability.  Sanctions and whatever else the US and the rest of Ukraine's friends are doing behind the scenes is really all that can be done.  At this point I don't think anyone really knows what Putin thinks about pushing the nuclear button.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: darkangel11 on March 24, 2022, 08:38:23 PM
It was funny, but not a serious blunder like sending a group of tanks into a muddy field just to lose all of them. I've seen pictures of 4 or 5 tanks stuck in the same place in the mud. These are billions of dollars in equipment lost to stupidity.

Tanks stuck in mud ? This is really lack of tactical education...

Do you really believe in all that stories of dumb Russian soldiers, that went to fuel station when they ran out of fuel ? I dont believe that tanks run on regular fuel, or use regular car diesel. Or the story when a granny shot down Russian war drone with a jar of cucumbers? I would not believe in anything mass media show or tell.

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Casualties are from both sides. Both sides have their own truth. Both sides have idiots. Both sides should stop military actions.

Yes' I do believe that story about the police station. They went to the police to ask for fuel! I have no idea why they'd do that but maybe thought police had their backup stash in case of emergency.
Wanna know why I believe in that story? It's because I saw idiots who run out of fuel for their armored transports in the middle of a road and were standing and discussing the problem like it was just another day at work, not a war. A fairly intelligent tank driver would see the machine is on reserve and start looking for a secure position to dig in and call for supply. He'd save up at least 10% of fuel in case they had to run away or take a fight. A moving target in the cover of some trees or bushes is much harder to hit than when it's sitting in the middle of an empty street. These idiots were driving until they couldn't drive anymore and instead of taking cover just stood next to the tank waiting for someone to fire at them.

Jar of cucumbers is not very convincing. Not all stories are true.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: jossiel on March 24, 2022, 09:37:22 PM
The economy is getting closer to Russia, but I'm sure this has been carefully taken into account, but because Russia has a strong allies like China, I'm sure the sanctions will not have too much impact, besides that Russia has oil reserves and the gas needed by the European state so that it has the power to Avoid strict economic sanctions such as other countries.
I don't think that they've expected the war to be this long. Russia has thought that this war would just pass by and happen for a short period of time but it wasn't expected.

The war took too long for them and now they suffer.

You say that this won't have that much impact to them? I don't think so, they're struggling right now economically and even with their allies like China. It will help them to at least get up but it won't be taking the biggest portion of their recovery.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Erumo on March 25, 2022, 10:25:44 AM
The war could pass in a short period of time, if they wanted to raze Ukraine to the ground. Today I saw on the news portal, that about 1000 civilians died in this war (however real numbers are greater). That is what covid-19 kills in just one day. Russians could have dropped bigger bombs and finish their mission in one week.

Btw, why nobody wants to send donation to Russians, who suffer from sanctions right now? This is not their fault the Putler gave command to start this war. Russian population is greater then Ukrainian. More people will suffer from sanctions, then Ukrainians will suffer from attacks. Seems fair to start helping Russian people.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Semar Mesem on March 25, 2022, 10:42:11 AM
The strict economy of the USA and Europe is certainly taken into account well by Russia, now almost all places in Ukrainan have been controlled by Russia and they immediately receive sanctions from USA and Europe, but I am sure that Russia has learned a lot about sanctions because of the Russian country Productive and certainly have strong relationships with China who always support Russia.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: cheezcarls on March 25, 2022, 11:49:53 AM
It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 26, 2022, 01:31:23 AM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
I honestly rolled my eyes when they announced sanctions. But now I am educated on this. Even if Russia takes the Ukraine. Russia doesnt even have a penny to spend to keep their own country together.
Well, we cannot forget that Russia has a lot of gold and has a great ally that is China, which despite the fact that the USA launched a threat against them, the Chinese were able to come out very well diplomatically, but in part I know that the CHINESE are espring for Russia to further define what is happening, because I think one of the plans they have is that if Russia succeeds, China on the other hand will invade Taiwan, and this will trigger a lot more irreverence, but despite all the sanctions Russia does have a way to get ahead.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: SaveOurSea on March 26, 2022, 05:37:44 AM
The strict economy of the USA and Europe is certainly taken into account well by Russia, now almost all places in Ukrainan have been controlled by Russia and they immediately receive sanctions from USA and Europe, but I am sure that Russia has learned a lot about sanctions because of the Russian country Productive and certainly have strong relationships with China who always support Russia.
That's right and before sanctions were imposed on Russia by European countries and the United States, Russia must have thought about it,
before that happens they have thought of the worst case scenario so that then Russia is ready to accept sanctions,
yes Russia is a productive country and so far they have not stopped this war


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Smartprofit on March 26, 2022, 07:49:15 AM
Just imagine two people - the first has firewood, matches, a garden, wheat, and the second has only wine. If winter comes, which of these two people will survive? I think the one that has warmth and food. Russia has everything to keep people warm and well fed. Why do you think that this country may not withstand sanctions from other states? Or do you think that if McDonald's closes, then the country is doomed to extinction? Even if this country creates a wall for itself from the rest of the world, not a single person will die from it.

In my opinion, in the modern world, the main thing is not resources, but managerial competencies. 

Russia has catastrophically incompetent managers.  The country completely lacks decentralized mechanisms for making managerial decisions.  The so-called "vertical of power" is not capable of receiving feedback and making adequate managerial decisions.  There is a feeling that everything is heading for disaster. 

Of all the possible scenarios for the development of the situation, the most catastrophic ones are selected. 

Unfortunately, this affects not only Russia, but the whole world.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: fullhdpixel on March 26, 2022, 03:38:28 PM
Do you really believe in all that stories of dumb Russian soldiers, that went to fuel station when they ran out of fuel ? I dont believe that tanks run on regular fuel, or use regular car diesel. Or the story when a granny shot down Russian war drone with a jar of cucumbers? I would not believe in anything mass media show or tell.
The final thing is that the world hates Russia right now, not like we loved them before but not really hate them with fire like right now, and the difference right now is that if Ukraine could defend itself and could kill as many as they have to (not more, hopefully as minimum required as possible) and then win the war, then the whole world would be happy. Sure there are some that defend Russia as well but not a lot, most people defend Ukraine in this war.

This means that when the fake news happens that supports Ukraine, or shows how great they are, then people will believe that a lot easily, because they want to be happy and they want to see it going well.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: barbara44 on March 26, 2022, 08:30:30 PM
It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
I agree that west will try their best (worst?) to make sure that Russia never recovers from this, or have a very hard time trying to recover from it. At the end of the day, if Russia lives through the hell because of it, then it would take them a bit harder to ever try something like this again. Putin is already 70 years old, and this is probably either his last war, or he will just kill us all to keep it going.

It means that we should not be shocked if he ends up attacking with even nuclear weapons one day, but that seems like an unlikely part for the time being, just because he couldn't get Ukraine, he wouldn't fire nuclear weapons as far as I can see.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Oilacris on March 26, 2022, 10:36:13 PM
It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
I agree that west will try their best (worst?) to make sure that Russia never recovers from this, or have a very hard time trying to recover from it. At the end of the day, if Russia lives through the hell because of it, then it would take them a bit harder to ever try something like this again. Putin is already 70 years old, and this is probably either his last war, or he will just kill us all to keep it going.

It means that we should not be shocked if he ends up attacking with even nuclear weapons one day, but that seems like an unlikely part for the time being, just because he couldn't get Ukraine, he wouldn't fire nuclear weapons as far as I can see.
We dont know on whats up into his mind but the risks is there since we dont know on what would be his plans if this war would really be continuing or trying out to resist which might really trigger

out those kind of possibilities which would come to wost.Yes, it wont only affect a particular place but whole world if we do speak about nuclear.Sanctions could be imposed but doesnt mean that it would really be over for them but much sure it would hurt up into their economy and speaking with survival then we dont know on what would happen next if they would able to sustain or not.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Xampeuu on March 27, 2022, 07:35:04 AM
It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
I agree that west will try their best (worst?) to make sure that Russia never recovers from this, or have a very hard time trying to recover from it. At the end of the day, if Russia lives through the hell because of it, then it would take them a bit harder to ever try something like this again. Putin is already 70 years old, and this is probably either his last war, or he will just kill us all to keep it going.

It means that we should not be shocked if he ends up attacking with even nuclear weapons one day, but that seems like an unlikely part for the time being, just because he couldn't get Ukraine, he wouldn't fire nuclear weapons as far as I can see.
but we also need to know, even though the US and the west insist on sanctions against Russia, on the other hand Russia is also friendly with China, which we know in almost all countries it is easy to get products from China and Russia is a supplier of oil to European countries. indeed recovering from adversity after the war takes time, but I think putin has calculated beforehand from various points of view, and finally the war path was taken


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: raidarksword on March 27, 2022, 08:30:37 AM
Russia is a rich country and rich of resources, for sure they can survive despite with so many economic sanctions put into them. With the preemptive attacked on Ukraine, I bet they already have a counter measures to that sanctions by many countries before it happened. They have still allies to help them though like China for example.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Freeesta on March 27, 2022, 09:19:03 AM
The greatest wealth of a country is its people. People should live well and calmly, and for this there is a government and everything else. Sanctions today are directed against the people of the whole world. Every person in any country will feel worse every day because there are big games between countries. The world economy will suffer from these sanctions and there will be no return to the old system.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: CDC AP on March 27, 2022, 09:25:12 AM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?
The economy may fall but will probably survive. After all, Russia is not exclusively trading with Western countries. Also, it is not as if Russia is starting this war without considering the possible worst economic scenario this would bring to the country. They must have already foreseen the sanctions early on. They must have already taken into account the potential consequences of their decision. Pushing through with this invasion simply means they could absorb such sanctions and face those consequences.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: DanWalker on March 27, 2022, 09:49:23 AM
It may take a long while. The US and the West won’t stop making Russia experiencing the “worst of the worst” in their economy. Although that each of us are having our opinion regarding the timeline of Russia’s economic recovery, it’s not going to guarantee that the timeline would be accurate. Anything could happen without warning.

The West won’t stop and may impose additional sanctions in the future that would severely impact Russia’s economy even more. That’s what I was thinking. Although now they are accepting BTC as mode of payment for buying Russian oil to “friendly” countries, it’s not enough to make their economy recover soon because the West are going to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from recovering fast.
The US and allies are trying every possible way to bring down the Russian economy to force Putin to stop this attack. But you are forgetting one thing that Russia is the top oil producer in the world and Europe's oil supply depends heavily on them. Europe has imposed all the bans and sanctions on Russia, but these countries must continue to buy oil and gas from Russia, shows that sanctions are not really effective. Bitcoin and crypto are only one of the ways to avoid sanctions, it is not the deciding factor for Russia's survival. Crude oil, gas and close ties with China are factors that keep them from collapsing.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Pujangga on March 27, 2022, 10:25:27 AM
I'm sure the economic sanctions will not have a big impact on Russia, even now Russia doesn't have a big trade relationship with the USA and Europe, but Russia has good cooperation with countries with close borders such as China, Uzbekistan, Iran, and so on.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Fortify on March 27, 2022, 12:20:00 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

Of course they can survive, they will just be in a much poorer position than when they began this useless war. Not only has Putin proved that his army is utterly incompetent and badly managed throughout, he has crippled the Russian economy for many decades to come. Even if the sanctions were slowly removed, his unpredictable nature and rash economic decisions have shown that it is a terrible place for foreign investment. There is money to be made, but there are a lot safer places that can generate equally high returns. The average Russian will become a lot poorer, not only in money but freedom of speech and travel opportunities, while the richest Russians are also going to face a backlash of unprecedented proportions for the poorly thought out attack by their leader.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: fullhdpixel on March 27, 2022, 08:29:21 PM
Russia is a rich country and rich of resources, for sure they can survive despite with so many economic sanctions put into them. With the preemptive attacked on Ukraine, I bet they already have a counter measures to that sanctions by many countries before it happened. They have still allies to help them though like China for example.
Not really a rich country but it was rank 70th among the other countries around the world but it can be true that they are rich on some resources such as oil and some of metal parts that has been used to create computer chips but they are still going to struggle if they can't sell all these products to most countries except only on one to two country or so-called allied countries. Your right one of it was china but I think the second is India?

As India has been on the headlines lately for buying discounted oil in Russia but we don't know if there are other more countries that Russia has a special connection with in spite of the sanctions.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: dunfida on March 28, 2022, 11:31:37 PM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

Of course they can survive, they will just be in a much poorer position than when they began this useless war. Not only has Putin proved that his army is utterly incompetent and badly managed throughout, he has crippled the Russian economy for many decades to come. Even if the sanctions were slowly removed, his unpredictable nature and rash economic decisions have shown that it is a terrible place for foreign investment. There is money to be made, but there are a lot safer places that can generate equally high returns. The average Russian will become a lot poorer, not only in money but freedom of speech and travel opportunities, while the richest Russians are also going to face a backlash of unprecedented proportions for the poorly thought out attack by their leader.
We would really be seeing these effects anytime soon as this war would be over and you re right that this would be leaving out that bad impression that this country is really bad to make out some business and also in

other aspects which it would really be making more looks bad just because on what they've done recently.This would badly hurt their economy, they are already feeling it now gradually because of sanctions
but the real story begins when this war is over. Would he regret on what he had done?


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Abiky on March 31, 2022, 01:48:11 AM
Of course they can survive, they will just be in a much poorer position than when they began this useless war. Not only has Putin proved that his army is utterly incompetent and badly managed throughout, he has crippled the Russian economy for many decades to come. Even if the sanctions were slowly removed, his unpredictable nature and rash economic decisions have shown that it is a terrible place for foreign investment. There is money to be made, but there are a lot safer places that can generate equally high returns. The average Russian will become a lot poorer, not only in money but freedom of speech and travel opportunities, while the richest Russians are also going to face a backlash of unprecedented proportions for the poorly thought out attack by their leader.

Putin destroyed the country's image worldwide, so I doubt Russia will survive in the long run. Only a change in regime will bring hope to the country itself. As long as Putin is in power, Russia won't be going anywhere. I believe China will play a part in trying to restore the Russian economy back to its former glory. But Russia's isolation from the world will make it challenging to put the economy back to the way it was before.

Unfortunately, Russian citizens (not the government itself) will be the ones most affected by economic sanctions. People in Russia are now poorer than ever, thanks to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Sanctions will continue to be implemented until the war comes to an end. Who knows what will be of Russia by the end of the year? Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Rockstarguy on March 31, 2022, 07:22:48 AM
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine, almost all sectors & big businesses in Russia have been hit with huge Sanctions against them both from the United States, the United Kingdom and other internationally related bodies. Sanctions have hit the Russian central bank, other small russian banks, big business and companies in Russia from airlines to manufacturing have been affected as well and many assets private and government owned has been frozen.

-Do you think Russia can survive, and how can they survive the harsh economic realities that they are about to experience? Are the sanctions sufficient to push Putin into a decision to stop the invasion?

I believe for Russia to have a bold step to invade their neighbour Ukraine, they already know what Is going to happen and they are fully prepared for it. Before now Russia has worked on their economy very well that if anything happens the economy will not have much effect,     since Russia invasion to Ukraine with all the sanctions giving to Russia their economy is not crashing down. I think Russia can survive sanctions giving to them.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 02, 2022, 04:08:56 PM
Russia is a rich country and rich of resources, for sure they can survive despite with so many economic sanctions put into them. With the preemptive attacked on Ukraine, I bet they already have a counter measures to that sanctions by many countries before it happened. They have still allies to help them though like China for example.
Not really a rich country but it was rank 70th among the other countries around the world but it can be true that they are rich on some resources such as oil and some of metal parts that has been used to create computer chips but they are still going to struggle if they can't sell all these products to most countries except only on one to two country or so-called allied countries. Your right one of it was china but I think the second is India?

As India has been on the headlines lately for buying discounted oil in Russia but we don't know if there are other more countries that Russia has a special connection with in spite of the sanctions.
You are right, this is one of the things for which everything in war is worth it, Russia has many plans, especially not to fall into an economic devacle, this would be very frowned upon and more so in the Putin government, there is no need to forget that Russia has the help of its allied countries, and one of these that is very powerful is China, China has a very good relationship with them and is capable of providing economic support and in any area as long as they do not fall into default, more now with everything that RUSSIA is doing that China wants to take Taiwan, I think these scenarios are high profile of how the world reacts to events of this magnitude.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Quidat on April 02, 2022, 10:06:30 PM
Russia is a rich country and rich of resources, for sure they can survive despite with so many economic sanctions put into them. With the preemptive attacked on Ukraine, I bet they already have a counter measures to that sanctions by many countries before it happened. They have still allies to help them though like China for example.
Not really a rich country but it was rank 70th among the other countries around the world but it can be true that they are rich on some resources such as oil and some of metal parts that has been used to create computer chips but they are still going to struggle if they can't sell all these products to most countries except only on one to two country or so-called allied countries. Your right one of it was china but I think the second is India?

As India has been on the headlines lately for buying discounted oil in Russia but we don't know if there are other more countries that Russia has a special connection with in spite of the sanctions.
You are right, this is one of the things for which everything in war is worth it, Russia has many plans, especially not to fall into an economic devacle, this would be very frowned upon and more so in the Putin government, there is no need to forget that Russia has the help of its allied countries, and one of these that is very powerful is China, China has a very good relationship with them and is capable of providing economic support and in any area as long as they do not fall into default, more now with everything that RUSSIA is doing that China wants to take Taiwan, I think these scenarios are high profile of how the world reacts to events of this magnitude.

Before the war started which Putin had already forseen these situations in regards with economic problems but look at on the current condition of theirs on which they do able to sustain
somehow despite of left and right sanctions which do basically shows that they could find ways on at least fighting for them to sustain out despite of the economic issues.
Survive? We dont know yet but they are still holding strong which is somewhat commendable but if things get even more worst then i doubt that it could really
be giving huge impact as we do go by,.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Wong Gendheng on April 03, 2022, 03:25:51 AM
Russia's economy always grows positively every year, this is because Russia has natural wealth and good human resources, Russia has experienced crises and difficult times but they survive and are now a country that has strong economic power, I'm sure the sanctions will not have much effect for Russia because of course the Russian president has taken into account these sanctions.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Ozero on April 05, 2022, 12:52:17 PM
Russia's economy always grows positively every year, this is because Russia has natural wealth and good human resources, Russia has experienced crises and difficult times but they survive and are now a country that has strong economic power, I'm sure the sanctions will not have much effect for Russia because of course the Russian president has taken into account these sanctions.
Putin's entourage already admits that neither they nor Putin expected such a unity of states for Russia's open full-scale aggression against Ukraine and such powerful and hitherto unprecedented international sanctions imposed on Russia. This shocks them and puts them in a blind alley, from which they no longer see a way out, but they tell the public that everything was thought out and planned in advance, since other words will lead to discontent among the people inside Russia. After just a few weeks of these sanctions, which continue to intensify, we see how much worse life in Russia. And this is just the beginning. Therefore, the effect of these sanctions this time will be greater. We will be able to compare how Russians will live in six months or a year. According to a recent poll, about 82 percent of Russians support Putin in his attack on Ukraine and massacres of civilians. Let's see what they say by the end of this year.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: tygeade on April 06, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Putin's entourage already admits that neither they nor Putin expected such a unity of states for Russia's open full-scale aggression against Ukraine and such powerful and hitherto unprecedented international sanctions imposed on Russia. This shocks them and puts them in a blind alley, from which they no longer see a way out, but they tell the public that everything was thought out and planned in advance, since other words will lead to discontent among the people inside Russia. After just a few weeks of these sanctions, which continue to intensify, we see how much worse life in Russia. And this is just the beginning. Therefore, the effect of these sanctions this time will be greater. We will be able to compare how Russians will live in six months or a year. According to a recent poll, about 82 percent of Russians support Putin in his attack on Ukraine and massacres of civilians. Let's see what they say by the end of this year.
I do not think that they are feeling any insecurity about the situation though. Maybe they were shocked that we were in a unity against Russia, and put sanctions and everyone went crazy but at the same time we are talking about a situation where Russia is not doing bad economically.

Even after Bucha, people are still buying gas and petrol and whatever they need from Russia, this is 2022 and there is a massacre, even calling it genocide, going in Ukraine right now and nobody really stops working with them. Sanctions do not work because people are still dealing with them, which is proof that Russia is still doing fine because they are capable of selling things to Europe right now.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: retreat on April 06, 2022, 07:09:37 PM
Russia's economy always grows positively every year, this is because Russia has natural wealth and good human resources, Russia has experienced crises and difficult times but they survive and are now a country that has strong economic power, I'm sure the sanctions will not have much effect for Russia because of course the Russian president has taken into account these sanctions.
The biggest advantage that Russia has is that it has natural resources that almost no other country has. I firmly believe that with Russia's current condition, they will be able to withstand international economic sanctions for several months and even years into the future. Western countries should be able to find other ways to stop the war other than by imposing sanctions on Russia.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: jossiel on April 06, 2022, 09:51:31 PM
The biggest advantage that Russia has is that it has natural resources that almost no other country has. I firmly believe that with Russia's current condition, they will be able to withstand international economic sanctions for several months and even years into the future. Western countries should be able to find other ways to stop the war other than by imposing sanctions on Russia.
They're able to withstand with it.

No matter how bad the sanctions are, they've probably anticipated this and has a lot of options to make with their allies and countries that would still like to trade with them.

It's actually not a loss for them, they may experience a bad economy these days but it won't be staying there forever and they'll gradually recover. The same as the normal markets that we know related to crypto.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: KennyR on April 06, 2022, 11:37:50 PM
The biggest advantage that Russia has is that it has natural resources that almost no other country has. I firmly believe that with Russia's current condition, they will be able to withstand international economic sanctions for several months and even years into the future. Western countries should be able to find other ways to stop the war other than by imposing sanctions on Russia.
They're able to withstand with it.

No matter how bad the sanctions are, they've probably anticipated this and has a lot of options to make with their allies and countries that would still like to trade with them.

It's actually not a loss for them, they may experience a bad economy these days but it won't be staying there forever and they'll gradually recover. The same as the normal markets that we know related to crypto.
With the available resources Russia have got the ability to overcome any sanctions. Just with the oil Russia have made the plan and demanded to pay in Rubles, if not just shut down and move. Western nations might've never thought of such a demand. In the long term the economy will recover, and with this war more other forms of trade have begun and this will affect the USD in the long term.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: chrisculanag on April 06, 2022, 11:59:40 PM
Maybe they can survive if they have a good choice of development. But we know that Russian have many knowledge in many things that's why it's not easy to survive also in the present of Russian country.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Oilacris on April 07, 2022, 12:03:16 AM
Maybe they can survive if they have a good choice of development. But we know that Russian have many knowledge in many things that's why it's not easy to survive also in the present of Russian country.
Here are some experts view about this Ukraine war which do make out big effects on Russias economic state.

Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine and the global response to it will drastically alter Russia’s economic future, setting the country back 30 years, experts say.

As the country’s economy collapses, the exodus of global brands will give rise to a profound shift in how middle-class citizens will make and spend their money.

Experts say the coming period of Russian economic isolation could last at least five years, but more likely will be measured in decades.


Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/14/putins-invasion-of-ukraine-will-knock-the-russian-economy-back-by-30-years.html

Its impossible that Putin wasnt aware the probabilities but actually they would really be facing it later on.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Maestro75 on April 07, 2022, 06:29:47 AM
Putin announced that people can only buy gas from Russia with Ruble so its going to affect the USD too soon.

That announcement shocked America and its allies attacking Russia and those other countries which were neutral in the war. I like that move of forcing every oil and gas buyer to buy with the Russian rubles. That is very smart of Putin. Eventhough I do not support this war or any form of war but I like how Europe is getting served on this by Putin. They have sanctioned him left and right and he decides to throw them that. On both sides of Russia and Ukraine there are loss of human lives. On both sides of Russia and Europe or NATO there is also loss of businesses.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: ningrum on April 07, 2022, 06:48:06 AM
The biggest advantage that Russia has is that it has natural resources that almost no other country has. I firmly believe that with Russia's current condition, they will be able to withstand international economic sanctions for several months and even years into the future. Western countries should be able to find other ways to stop the war other than by imposing sanctions on Russia.
They're able to withstand with it.

No matter how bad the sanctions are, they've probably anticipated this and has a lot of options to make with their allies and countries that would still like to trade with them.

It's actually not a loss for them, they may experience a bad economy these days but it won't be staying there forever and they'll gradually recover. The same as the normal markets that we know related to crypto.
With the available resources Russia have got the ability to overcome any sanctions. Just with the oil Russia have made the plan and demanded to pay in Rubles, if not just shut down and move. Western nations might've never thought of such a demand. In the long term the economy will recover, and with this war more other forms of trade have begun and this will affect the USD in the long term.
I think this makes Russia less worried about the sanctions imposed by European countries,
it would be different if Russia didn't have enough resources including oil,
What is clear is that this war has had a considerable impact, especially on the global economy


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Tony116 on April 07, 2022, 07:13:31 AM
The biggest advantage that Russia has is that it has natural resources that almost no other country has. I firmly believe that with Russia's current condition, they will be able to withstand international economic sanctions for several months and even years into the future. Western countries should be able to find other ways to stop the war other than by imposing sanctions on Russia.
They're able to withstand with it.

No matter how bad the sanctions are, they've probably anticipated this and has a lot of options to make with their allies and countries that would still like to trade with them.

It's actually not a loss for them, they may experience a bad economy these days but it won't be staying there forever and they'll gradually recover. The same as the normal markets that we know related to crypto.
With the available resources Russia have got the ability to overcome any sanctions. Just with the oil Russia have made the plan and demanded to pay in Rubles, if not just shut down and move. Western nations might've never thought of such a demand. In the long term the economy will recover, and with this war more other forms of trade have begun and this will affect the USD in the long term.
The heaviest sanctions are already in place and the Russians have stood firm, so any further sanctions against Russia will be in vain. If Europe and the US do not find an alternative to Russian gas supplies and accept payments in rubles, which is clearly threatening the dominance of the dollar, the dollar will weaken.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: bakasabo on April 07, 2022, 09:22:33 AM
When will countries realize that imposing sanction does not work? Countries and companies impose sanction, Russia continues what they were doing, they impose more, Russia continues, they think what to impose more, Russia continues. This is a looping of events, but Ukraine people are suffering. To me this looks stupid. And remember first sanctions in 2014 against individuals and selected goods. Did it have an impact? Did it make Russia weaker? Did it worked at all? The war should be stopped else how.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: jossiel on April 07, 2022, 10:07:37 PM
The biggest advantage that Russia has is that it has natural resources that almost no other country has. I firmly believe that with Russia's current condition, they will be able to withstand international economic sanctions for several months and even years into the future. Western countries should be able to find other ways to stop the war other than by imposing sanctions on Russia.
They're able to withstand with it.

No matter how bad the sanctions are, they've probably anticipated this and has a lot of options to make with their allies and countries that would still like to trade with them.

It's actually not a loss for them, they may experience a bad economy these days but it won't be staying there forever and they'll gradually recover. The same as the normal markets that we know related to crypto.
With the available resources Russia have got the ability to overcome any sanctions. Just with the oil Russia have made the plan and demanded to pay in Rubles, if not just shut down and move. Western nations might've never thought of such a demand. In the long term the economy will recover, and with this war more other forms of trade have begun and this will affect the USD in the long term.
It is because they've got those resources.

And those sanctions are just going to make them demand what they want and it seems that they're winning on it. Winning in a way that they're now giving their own rules and demand in exchange for their products like oil.

I guess those countries that have been trading and being supplied by them never anticipated this to happen. But, it just happened and they now have to look for other source and supplier for this main product they have.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: boty on April 07, 2022, 11:16:09 PM

I believe for Russia to have a bold step to invade their neighbour Ukraine, they already know what Is going to happen and they are fully prepared for it. Before now Russia has worked on their economy very well that if anything happens the economy will not have much effect,     since Russia invasion to Ukraine with all the sanctions giving to Russia their economy is not crashing down. I think Russia can survive sanctions giving to them.
everything they done,must be prepared and calculated before.impossible starting the war but they have no preparation if their country get alot sanction from countries around the world. although alot consequence they will took by this war, they still stand for their principle. evenmore almost countries around the world face inflation due this sanction and looks like it become boomerang for the west.


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: andriarto on April 08, 2022, 03:17:17 AM
The biggest advantage that Russia has is that it has natural resources that almost no other country has. I firmly believe that with Russia's current condition, they will be able to withstand international economic sanctions for several months and even years into the future. Western countries should be able to find other ways to stop the war other than by imposing sanctions on Russia.
They're able to withstand with it.

No matter how bad the sanctions are, they've probably anticipated this and has a lot of options to make with their allies and countries that would still like to trade with them.

It's actually not a loss for them, they may experience a bad economy these days but it won't be staying there forever and they'll gradually recover. The same as the normal markets that we know related to crypto.
With the available resources Russia have got the ability to overcome any sanctions. Just with the oil Russia have made the plan and demanded to pay in Rubles, if not just shut down and move. Western nations might've never thought of such a demand. In the long term the economy will recover, and with this war more other forms of trade have begun and this will affect the USD in the long term.
It is because they've got those resources.

And those sanctions are just going to make them demand what they want and it seems that they're winning on it. Winning in a way that they're now giving their own rules and demand in exchange for their products like oil.

I guess those countries that have been trading and being supplied by them never anticipated this to happen. But, it just happened and they now have to look for other source and supplier for this main product they have.
Apart from abundant natural resources, and this is very much needed by European countries, Russia seems to hold the key to the economy in terms of mining. On the other hand, Russia cooperates with China, which is of course economically strong, and has various products that will be needed. From this point of view, I see a country like Russia as if it is capable of standing on its own, let alone having good relations with China. and I think the impact of this war has also been calculated, where the evidence is that until now they are still standing up


Title: Re: Sanctions left and right, Can the Russian economy survive?
Post by: Tony116 on April 08, 2022, 02:26:40 PM

~snip~
Apart from abundant natural resources, and this is very much needed by European countries, Russia seems to hold the key to the economy in terms of mining. On the other hand, Russia cooperates with China, which is of course economically strong, and has various products that will be needed. From this point of view, I see a country like Russia as if it is capable of standing on its own, let alone having good relations with China. and I think the impact of this war has also been calculated, where the evidence is that until now they are still standing up
In addition to its rich resources, China is also an important factor in keeping the Russian economy from collapsing. Both do not have good relations with Europe and America. After this war, I think their friendship will be stronger and will be a counterweight to Europe.

China is the beneficiary in the war, in front of them openly does not support the war but behind their back they will definitely help Russia to resist Western sanctions and they will be able to buy energy from Russia at a low price and they will be the main supplier of essential goods to Russia instead of Europe.