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Title: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: Poker Player on April 19, 2022, 06:19:03 AM
User: ajochems (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=187501)

So, I was about to report a post by this guy, when it occurred to me to look at his post history, and I see it's all the same crap. It seems to be written by a simple robot from the first AIs that existed, answering something that sounds like it has something to do with the thread under discussion but is pure garbage.

On top of that, I see on bpip.org that he only has 9 posts deleted by moderators. I don't know if people see that he is part of the 1xBit scam campaign with the red tags and don't report him or what.

If anyone has the time and inclination, you may find a few posts worth reporting in the thread: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny.
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4564216.0)
Since scams on the forum are not moderated, I think we could report all the garbage posters from the 1xBit campaign into one thread to see if the moderators will ban them for littering the forum with garbage. I don't care if it's in this thread or another one.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: aysg76 on April 19, 2022, 11:36:46 AM
There are many members who are promoting scam casino 1xbit for just few dollars and have negative feedback on their profile from other members.After your post i checked his profile and yes his all posts are crap without any relevant information in them and he is not even Native English speaker which i assume from his writing style.

Like in his recent posts he states that Japnese government know the real identity of Sathoshi even the spelling is wrong in his post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5378963.msg59892190#msg59892190)

As per his trust rating the account is also hacked but as per his bpip.org  (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=187501) merit information he has sent 57 merits to 49 profiles while he has only earned 11 merits over time so does this mean he was merit source or what?

His most posts are similar to his campaign members mostly in gambling, speculation board and that also crap with one to two liners without even in proper English because they need to fullfill the campaign requirements.Have noticed it and will try to report his post in the wall of shame section.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: ABCbits on April 19, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
As per his trust rating the account is also hacked but as per his bpip.org  (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=187501) merit information he has sent 57 merits to 49 profiles while he has only earned 11 merits over time so does this mean he was merit source or what?

You forget initial merit airdrop for existing user which also drop some sMerit depending on their rank or how active they are. While i don't remember the exact drop number, it's unlikely he's merit source since he only send 57 merit so far.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on April 19, 2022, 12:19:54 PM
It certainly cannot be written by a normal person. Probably some rephrasing of the text works, which completely breaks the original meaning of the post. Probably it is worth consistently informing the moderators about these posts, since by leaving such nonsense, we give an example to other people to engage in the same nonsense. I looked at his posts a month ago, and wonder if this can really be paid?


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: stompix on April 19, 2022, 12:45:07 PM
I looked at his posts a month ago, and wonder if this can really be paid?

The signature campaign is over, and this is one of the bought accounts that 1xbit used themselves hiding behind a signature and trying to make that also look like a legit campaign, there were no real users just bots so there was no real payment. Even if there would be a tx in the blockchain it would be from their wallets to another of their own.

As for ajochems, what a transformation from one of his last original posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=616792.msg18842134#msg18842134):

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I hope to start working on the C++ code tree again in the coming months, ... i have the following on my wish list:
Separating core (lib), CLI and Qt wallet source code into different projects
Implementing reverse blockchain download using checkpoints to speed up initial wallet sync for new users
Re-evaluate possible diff options as i am convinced that there must be a better algorithm than the current one
Looking at adding some Insight server items straight into the CSC daemon and rebuild the Insight API on top off the C++ daemon instead of its own NodeJS implementation

to:

Some people will not accept the halving process.Because they thought,it as a fake one.Halves are not accepted fact.But the people had analysis,the all three halves was accepted since 2016.The support for the crypto currency was still increasing with year to year.This was not happened in one day,bitcoin struggle lot of bad sides.At the end,it had show us the clear lesson for the life.

Much knowledge gained! Such progress!


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: KingsDen on April 19, 2022, 02:45:04 PM
In a normal post history, as a human being the account, all your posts will not be three lines throughout. There should be time you make two lines, five lines and even upto 10lines depending on the topic.
I have the feeling that it's a bot, but I am more confused because some of the posts correlate with the thread topic.

But since it's 1xbit, we cannot do much about it. In legit campaigns, that is the work of a campaign managers. I mean no manager will pay him for writing nonsense, but since 1xbit doesn't care, the presence of its promoters will remain a menance in the forum.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: Despairo on April 19, 2022, 02:59:04 PM
I don't think reporting bunch of crappy posts would solve the problems of 1xbit participants, it's true he might got temporary banned for 7 days or 14 days. But after that, he will continue to shitposts in order to fulfill the campaign quota. Creating a post to qualify the forum rules isn't that hard, moderators also not really strict as long as they're not breaking an easier recognized rule e.g. post in a row, referral, etc. It's kinda hard to be honest, but it seems we can't do much.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: decodx on April 19, 2022, 08:30:55 PM
I think moderators should really be taking a closer look at all of the 1xbit campaign participants. They are the cancer spreading through this forum. It's nearly impossible to follow any topic, especially the Gambling board, without sifting through the pile of garbage their participants leave behind. Just try to have a conversation with some of them and you'll quickly figure out that they don't really care about the topics at hand or the discussion they are contributing to.

Also, from what I've seen, the ones that seem least interested in discussions are usually already confirmed alts, but 1xbit continues to hire them just to spread their scam.

1Xbit is a scam, plain and simple, but despite the fact that scams are not moderated on this forum, I think the mods should at least have some members sig. banned from this forum because of their shitposting.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: Poker Player on April 20, 2022, 04:54:51 AM
The signature campaign is over, and this is one of the bought accounts that 1xbit used themselves hiding behind a signature and trying to make that also look like a legit campaign, there were no real users just bots so there was no real payment. Even if there would be a tx in the blockchain it would be from their wallets to another of their own.

I didn't know that. How do you know that? In any case, it's one thing not to moderate scams and another thing to let them laugh at the forum like that.

I don't think reporting bunch of crappy posts would solve the problems of 1xbit participants, it's true he might got temporary banned for 7 days or 14 days. But after that, he will continue to shitposts in order to fulfill the campaign quota.

Well, in my opinion, a bot like that, or whatever it is, should be nuked.

I think moderators should really be taking a closer look at all of the 1xbit campaign participants. They are the cancer spreading through this forum. It's nearly impossible to follow any topic, especially the Gambling board, without sifting through the pile of garbage their participants leave behind. Just try to have a conversation with some of them and you'll quickly figure out that they don't really care about the topics at hand or the discussion they are contributing to.

That's why I started this thread. At some point I have reported some of their posts, but the feeling is that the participants of this campaign, the only thing they do is to litter the forum with garbage. If I find more participants like the one in this thread, who look more like a bad bot than anything else, I will report them in this thread.

It's one thing if you don't want to moderate scams, it's another to allow such garbage.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on April 20, 2022, 12:33:04 PM
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The signature campaign is over, and this is one of the bought accounts that 1xbit used themselves hiding behind a signature and trying to make that also look like a legit campaign, there were no real users just bots so there was no real payment. Even if there would be a tx in the blockchain it would be from their wallets to another of their own.
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Interesting, maybe a legit user could join their campaign with the sole purpose to check the transactions and prove they were lying, this could be another solid proof of scam so whoever still have doubts, because there's always one against the logic, this will just make it 100% clear without the need to read the 1000 already scammed users' posts.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: Erumo on April 20, 2022, 12:59:25 PM
Better look at every 1xBit signature participants post. Looks like 1xBit has every pus of this forum. Looks like the criteria to be accepted in campaign to have as bad reputation as possible and be as bad poster as possible. Their tactics is "black" promotion.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: stompix on April 20, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
I didn't know that. How do you know that? In any case, it's one thing not to moderate scams and another thing to let them laugh at the forum like that.

Seems like I was mistaken a bit, the campaign has suddenly reopened, I've been watching only one topic and I didn't realize they have two of them.

But, the whole thing is fishy, is there any campaign that has such an amount of accounts that have clearly changed hands and accepted them and paid them despite negative feedback? Look at the behavior of the accounts, they all defend their sponsor going beyond what's normal, you won't see that with any other normal users, and in no way you're going to see the accusations they hurl at others, it's simply a completely different behavior. Plus, a lot of them were getting tagged yet they've never been to meta or reputation to ask why or plea for removal, why would somebody risk an account for a few weeks of signature money that might be over tomorrow?

As for the addresses, this needs to be looked on by somebody with much more experience than me with blockchain analysis but last year when I've been browsing through their addresses I've seen a lot of really weird things, too many of those go through tumblers, and I don't see users who can barely write down a phrase longer than 6 words being able to mix their coins this way.




Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: NeuroticFish on April 20, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
Much knowledge gained! Such progress!

It's clearly hacked or bought account. Or both.
I have a feeling that this is the history behind most accounts in that campaign.

But, the whole thing is fishy, is there any campaign that has such an amount of accounts that have clearly changed hands and accepted them and paid them despite negative feedback? Look at the behavior of the accounts, they all defend their sponsor going beyond what's normal, you won't see that with any other normal users, and in no way you're going to see the accusations they hurl at others, it's simply a completely different behavior. Plus, a lot of them were getting tagged yet they've never been to meta or reputation to ask why or plea for removal, why would somebody risk an account for a few weeks of signature money that might be over tomorrow?

As for the addresses, this needs to be looked on by somebody with much more experience than me with blockchain analysis but last year when I've been browsing through their addresses I've seen a lot of really weird things, too many of those go through tumblers, and I don't see users who can barely write down a phrase longer than 6 words being able to mix their coins this way.

It would not be unexpected that some of the team members actually own most/all of those accounts, so an analysis whether the money is just circled around could be interesting.


I know that scams are not moderated, but this campaign is more than scam, it's also about spamming the forum, farming multiple accounts, accessing hacked accounts and so on. But... can this be proven? Because without that there may be a dangerous precedent no matter how good the intentions are.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: Lucius on April 20, 2022, 02:08:36 PM
But, the whole thing is fishy, is there any campaign that has such an amount of accounts that have clearly changed hands and accepted them and paid them despite negative feedback?

I wrote a long time ago that maybe it's a big alt farm of purchased accounts that these scammers use to create the illusion of a signature campaign - and then pay the funds themselves. It is possible that 1xBit bought these accounts cheaply from one or more people who have dealt (and probably still do) with such things.



I know that scams are not moderated, but this campaign is more than scam, it's also about spamming the forum, farming multiple accounts, accessing hacked accounts and so on. But... can this be proven? Because without that there may be a dangerous precedent no matter how good the intentions are.

Even if it can be proven (at least in part), I do not believe that those involved in all this would be sanctioned. This forum is a paradise for scammers, and those who do it in a slightly more intelligent way (like 1xBit) enjoy it like pigs in the mud, and obviously no one wants to have anything to do with such things. There are thousands of posts on this topic, and we haven’t moved an inch from the starting point.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: LoyceV on April 20, 2022, 02:51:34 PM
I don't know if people see that he is part of the 1xBit scam campaign with the red tags and don't report him or what.
Unfortunately, that's what I do. I've given up on reading the shitposts of many red-trusted accounts that are spamming, so I just hit Ignore on all accounts wearing the scam signature. As long as the forum allows them, and they're tagged already, it's not worth my time to read those posts.

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I think we could report all the garbage posters
We could. But even though it's garbage, I can't in good conscience report them without reading the post. And I don't want to read them anymore, it hurts my brain.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: Hispo on April 20, 2022, 08:22:50 PM
I don't know if people see that he is part of the 1xBit scam campaign with the red tags and don't report him or what.
Unfortunately, that's what I do. I've given up on reading the shitposts of many red-trusted accounts that are spamming, so I just hit Ignore on all accounts wearing the scam signature. As long as the forum allows them, and they're tagged already, it's not worth my time to read those posts.

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I think we could report all the garbage posters
We could. But even though it's garbage, I can't in good conscience report them without reading the post. And I don't want to read them anymore, it hurts my brain.

They way I see it as long as 1xBit and its minions/footmen are allowed to post on the forum for the sake of freedom, free speech, etc. It will be a long lasting battle (if not eternal) against those scammers and in the cross fire guillible and uninformed people will continue to lose their money to fund the signature campaigns, reviews and shills. The scamming machine war.

This community may need then, more people inmune to brain ache or less good conscience when hadling 1xBit, I would personally prefer the former option.



Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: aysg76 on April 21, 2022, 01:16:43 PM
You forget initial merit airdrop for existing user which also drop some sMerit depending on their rank or how active they are. While i don't remember the exact drop number, it's unlikely he's merit source since he only send 57 merit so far.
Thanks for clarification as i was missing the airdrop smerit part and this could be the only way he has managed to send those merits while earning only 11 of them till date.


Unfortunately, that's what I do. I've given up on reading the shitposts of many red-trusted accounts that are spamming, so I just hit Ignore on all accounts wearing the scam signature. As long as the forum allows them, and they're tagged already, it's not worth my time to read those posts.
That's what most of us think because you need to report their most of the post as they are writing nonsense and useless two to three lines crap stuff just in order to earn weekly payments from this scam campaign.All the participants of this campaign has negative trust and red tags for promotion of scam campaign on the forum and best is to ignore them at most rather than wasting time on them.

Seems like I was mistaken a bit, the campaign has suddenly reopened, I've been watching only one topic and I didn't realize they have two of them.
Yeah as i didn't give importance to this campaign thread but after your post i went to check about it and found out that in  thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5339884.0) the campaign was over and members in the spreadsheet were paid on November 19,2021.The below is the quote from manger of the campaign :

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Hello guys!

It seems like this campaign closure is still a debatable topic, and we decided to not leave our users unsatisfied and clear the suspicions - the last week of the campaign will be paid out in full.

Who will receive the payment?
Everyone who was in the spreadsheet on the previous week(21). New participants weren't accepted for a few weeks, so if you didn't leave the campaign yourself before the week 21 - you will get the payment.

Hope it will help to lift hard feelings. And don't forget about our other campaigns

But in  another thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5367666.180) they have re-opened the campaign and two days before only members were applying for the campaign.So they are having the same spam posting on the forum again.

But, the whole thing is fishy, is there any campaign that has such an amount of accounts that have clearly changed hands and accepted them and paid them despite negative feedback? Look at the behavior of the accounts, they all defend their sponsor going beyond what's normal, you won't see that with any other normal users, and in no way you're going to see the accusations they hurl at others, it's simply a completely different behavior. Plus, a lot of them were getting tagged yet they've never been to meta or reputation to ask why or plea for removal, why would somebody risk an account for a few weeks of signature money that might be over tomorrow?
This is most fishy campaign on the forum and you must have seen all the members with red tags and account hacked and other bad things association with their members.But yes there are few shitposters who doesn't care about having as many negative feedbacks on their profile if they are getting paid for it through this campaign.The two things of this campaign which made them cross limits is money like highest payout for legendary is $100/weekly in new one previous $140 and you can be accepted in their campaign if you have negative feedback for joining their campaign also.So nothing surprising in this because all those who have joined are shitposter and if they are getting paid for it they don't care for long term forum growth and even if the campaign ends.

As for the addresses, this needs to be looked on by somebody with much more experience than me with blockchain analysis but last year when I've been browsing through their addresses I've seen a lot of really weird things, too many of those go through tumblers, and I don't see users who can barely write down a phrase longer than 6 words being able to mix their coins this way.
That is something new for me as didn't know about it because have never checked it on the blockchain but going through tumbler services is another one of their weird things.I also think that most of the accounts are owned by the team only as why would they be paying to people high rates without getting much users from this forum and having negative feedback.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: decodx on April 21, 2022, 09:51:22 PM
As for the addresses, this needs to be looked on by somebody with much more experience than me with blockchain analysis but last year when I've been browsing through their addresses I've seen a lot of really weird things, too many of those go through tumblers, and I don't see users who can barely write down a phrase longer than 6 words being able to mix their coins this way.
That is something new for me as didn't know about it because have never checked it on the blockchain but going through tumbler services is another one of their weird things.I also think that most of the accounts are owned by the team only as why would they be paying to people high rates without getting much users from this forum and having negative feedback.

As I was compiling the list of all 1xbit campaign participants (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347222.msg58997028#msg58997028), I noticed that many of the accounts were already identified and tagged as alt accounts and bounty cheaters. 1xbit_official is aware of this since I warned them about it on multiple occasions. However, they ignored my warnings and accepted these members into their campaigns anyway. It doesn't make sense for a company to pay members who are clearly cheating on them in their signature campaigns, so it is logical to assume that they are actually related in some way to those accounts.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on April 27, 2022, 07:46:23 PM
As long as it's coming from a promoter of 1xbit, then am absolutely not surprised, I mean what can we expect from a person who is promoting scammers and knows he's promoting scammers, and the scammers don't care how they are being promoted, all they are after is making sure that people see their signatures all over the forum.

I honestly don't blame this set of individuals who are promoting 1xbit and because of this, they post shit just to meet there weekly quarter and get paid, many people outside this forum does worster things all in the name of money, just the same way there's always a black sheep in a family, I see this set as the black sheeps of bitcointalk.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: BITCOIN4X on April 27, 2022, 08:08:04 PM
As long as it's coming from a promoter of 1xbet
Supposedly 1xbit and 1xbet are two different sites because basically only 1xbit is famous for its scammer stories against customers. So I think you should correct the name of the site a bit.

Many 1xbit users or promoters don't care about the quality of their posts and that's natural because most of them only care about the cost. The red tag on all promoter accounts was the initial reason why they weren't one of the best posters on the forum, so although I wouldn't say they're one of the scammers but they're not the best posters on this forum.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on April 27, 2022, 08:16:39 PM
As long as it's coming from a promoter of 1xbet
Supposedly 1xbit and 1xbet are two different sites because basically only 1xbit is famous for its scammer stories against customers. So I think you should correct the name of the site a bit.
Thank you mate for bringing that typo to my attention, I actually wrote 1xbit but the auto correct feature on my keyboard changed it to 1xbet, and I failed to notice, it's corrected now and ones again, thank you.


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: _BlackStar on April 27, 2022, 08:37:55 PM
I think they are the biggest bullshit so far and almost all campaign participants are shitposters without any contribution to the forum. Obviously I'm saying that because I'm also one of the users questioning the campaign and its participants so far, I support it to stop spam but it seems we can only report shitposts so far.

I've created a voting thread about those participants, so I think we're getting a lot of support for that. [Ban Request] 1xbit signature spammer. Do you agree? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5385267.0)


Title: Re: Please have a look at this crap (1xBit).
Post by: decodx on April 27, 2022, 10:00:07 PM
As long as it's coming from a promoter of 1xbet
Supposedly 1xbit and 1xbet are two different sites because basically only 1xbit is famous for its scammer stories against customers. So I think you should correct the name of the site a bit.

In reality, both sites run on the same platform and by the same company, but under different domain names. 1xbit uses an unlicensed domain in order to bypass various countries' restrictions. That's all.