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Hi everyone, I'm a regular player in the swc poker games, "veganhippie" and was wondering if anyone here would be interested in Kings Club. It's a semi-private site that has mainly high stakes poker games, of the mixed game variety. We are talking Omaha hi/lo, badeucy, and other strange games like this. There isn't much Texas Holdem so it is recommended for only serious players who know these mixed games. If anyone is interested, please feel free to message me and we can get set up. Here is a screenshot of some of the games running right now

https://[Suspicious link removed]/ps/3Zi9F1

(It's just a link to flickr, put fl1c.kr where it says link removed for link to work, with the 1 being an i)

There used to be a poker series sponsored by SWC that's exclusive for bitcointalk members only. The last one I saw was two years ago but maybe you could connect with the guys that participated in the events and invite them personally. Here's the link to one of them https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271735.0

You could also check the SWC announcement thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068812.0

I think only a few of us from the btctalk series play/know other poker variations... the rest are "only Texas"!

SwC seems to be totally forgotten on this forum, I wonder why... :)

That is what happens in general. What most people know how to play is Texas Holdem. Finding people competent in other variants is difficult. Usually in high stakes of other variants there are former Texas Holdem regulars or pros who have moved to the other variant because they have seen a niche market, and fish or whales who play those variants like roulette and make the variety profitable for the regulars and pros.

The best adrenaline and emotions are when playing Texas Holdem because that is the game which is the most popular and the PokerStar series just certifies that.Even in local casinos where I am located now the tournaments that are created and played are all based on Texas Holdem as the most popular poker game.I am sure there are a few individuals who may like more other variants but good luck finding them,I highly doubt you can find a lot of them in this forum while here it is a sure thing that a lot of poker players mostly play Texas Holdem.

first you created a thread that only spread some link but never care to return clarifying what is inside that youtube video.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406633.msg60583467#msg60583467

now again sending links that is suspicious in which deleted , and now you wanted people to send you a PM instead .

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But regarding to the poker variation ? I am not familiar at all about those lol.

You are wrong about the other topic, I came back to return with a clarifying post there. Please see post #12 in that thread.

The PM would be neccessary to give the login info for the site, since it is semi-private there is no public link to create an account.

Texas is the most popular, and one of the "simple ones", it's easy to learn rules and how to play it! When it comes to adrenaline and emotions other poker variants give the same, if you like the game! But let's make an example between Texas and Omaha (ordinary one, and there are some crazy variations I played, but I didn't quite understand some of them)... in Texas you get two cards, with Omaha it's four cards, your 2 cards and 3 from flop creates a hand! If you have 4 aces you have just one pair and you take 3 from the flop! It can be even more interesting, with 4 cards it's different! Pair or two pairs are nothing, you think you are good with your full house, but another guy with his cards has a higher full house probably, chances for that are pretty high in the Omaha version!


It would be a great thread... someone to list all poker variations and a little explanation of how to play it! I guess that would bring many merits to a guy who does that job! :)

As a follow-up to the comment above, Chinese poker is crazy! I played it maybe 10 times and I can't say I learned much! One of the toughest versions to learn how to play, at least for me!



You wrote "mainly high stakes poker games"... tell us some numbers, what blinds are you playing there?! 

 

Hey good points. Though on the site there is detailed rules for every game, I can give a quick rundown of the main games.

Omaha, like you said, is similar to holdem but you MUST use 2 cards from your hand. Therefore if you have an Ace of spades but no other spade in your hand, and the board comes with 4 spades, you do NOT have a flush, in omaha. In Holdem, in the SAME situation, you would have a flush, because you are allowed to use only the 1 card. But in Omaha you must select 2 cards from your hand and 3 from the board to make the best 5 card poker hand you can.

Stud is a game where you get all your cards, first 2 face down, then 1 up, then as the hand goes on 3 more face up cards, and the final card is face down so only you can see it.

Hi/lo versions of these games split the pot if there is a winning lo that qualifies. A winning lo is a hand that uses 5 cards, 8 or under, unpaired. So, for example, in stud hi/lo, if you have 8877642 you use the 87642 to make your lo. You also use 8877A for your hi. You have a good chance of winning both the hi and the lo, called a scoop. However, you could lose both as well, if people have better hands. The way to rank lo hands is counting down from the highest to lowest card, whoever has the lowest number wins. So, for example, if someone else had 65432KQ, they would have 65432 as low. The number 65,432 is lower than 87,642, so their number is lower than yours. They win the lo. They would also win the high because 65432 is a straight, which is better than 2 pair. So this would be an unfortunate hand example for you.

Badugi is a very simple game, you get 4 cards, you get to draw as many as you want 3 times, and then there is a showdown. Whoever has the lowest hand of 4 different suits, unpaired, wins. So if you have 9 of clubs, 8 of hearts, 3 of diamonds, 2 of spades, you have a 9832 low badugi. However, you would lose if someone has a lower number, for example, 7 of hearts, 6 of clubs, 5 of spades, 4 of diamonds, because 7654 is a lower number than 9832, even though your lowest card is lower, the ranking is counting from the top down. If nobody has a qualifying badugi, it goes to the best 3 card hand. So, for example, if you has 2 of spades, 3 of clubs, 4 of diamonds, and a 4 of hearts, you only have a 3 card ranking hand of 432. But you would still win vs an opponent with something like 8 of diamonds, 7 of diamonds, 6 of spades, 3 of clubs. His ranking would be a 3 card hand of, 763.

2-7 is also simple, you get 5 cards, you get to draw 3 times or 1 time, depending on the version, and it is just the opposite of normal poker rankings. So, in normal poker, the best hand you can have is a royal flush. Well, that's the WORST hand you can have in 2-7. The best possible hand in 2-7 is 75432, as long as they aren't all the same suit, because that would be a flush. So, for example, in 2-7, if you have 76522, a pair of 2s, you would still win if your opponent had 88543, which would be a pair of 8s. Also ace is high only in this version. So you having K7652 would win vs someone with A6543. Because ace is higher and the winner is the one with the lower hand.

A-5 is almost the same except flushes and straights don't matter. You are simply counting your lowest cards. Pairs do matter though. So you having 65432 would win vs an opponent with 7543A even though he has an ace at the bottom, you have a lower number overall. Ace can be low though. The best possible hand is 5432A.

Badeucey is simply a combination of badugi and 2-7, with half the pot going to best 2-7 hand at the end, and half going to the best badugi hand. Note, you have 5 cards total, but you'd make your best badugi from 4 cards. The best possible hand is 2, 3, 4, 5 of all different suits, then a 7 of any suit, since your badugi hand would be 5432, and 2-7 hand would be 75432 (remember, suits dont matter in 2-7, except you can't qualify with a flush of all 5 of the same suit)

Badacey is the same as badeucy, except half goes to the best A-5 hand at the end instead of the best 2-7 hand. So, the best hand would be, A, 2, 3, 4 of different suits, then a 5 of any suit.

Chinese poker is a great version, there are versions with 2-7 in the middle, where you foul if you don't make a Ten low or better, and versions with 2 jokers that can play as any card. Fantasyland is mainly the goal here, you have to qualify with a variety of hands without fouling. You start with 5 cards and then get 3 at a time, discarding 1 and placing 2, until you have 13 cards total placed, 5 in the bottom, 5 in the middle, and 3 on the top. For example, in the jokers version, if you have 65432 to start, and put it on the bottom. Then you get 998, you place the 99 in the middle and discard the 8. Then you get 776, you place the 77 in the middle, discard the 6. Then you get Joker, 2, 3. You place the 2 in the middle, and the joker on top. Then you get AK8. You place the and ace king on the top, and the joker converts to an ace, because you have better hand in middle, two pair, and an even better hand on the bottom, a straight. Congrats, with AA on top, you get to go to fantasyland, and get all your cards the next hand. You can also repeat if you get quads or better on the bottom, or trips or better up top. In our version, we can repeat a maximum of 3 times before having to return to normal play.

I hope this helps clarify these games, and anyone is welcome to come and try, there are low stakes as well, but mainly the high stakes that run are blinds of 1-2 USD and 5-10 USD type of games, of all these varieties. There is also limit stakes of some of them, for example, stud hi/lo is almost always played limit, with the stakes being typically 44/88 USD, that type of level.

Nice man, really nice! But if you wish to make a name here and leave a trace open a new thread, you need to sum all this up... check some threads in the service section, here in the gambling section, that can give you some clues! I know it may be a bit bothering, but it is what it is... you will either make some effort or you will be forgotten!


Both of them are crazy! Literally crazy! After you get used to Texas and Omaha you play Badugi and 2-7 and you need to do the total opposite from "normal" poker! :) Thanks for reminding me about those two, and there is something similar with OMAHA  as well, some variations, but I didn't get to test all of them... :)

You miss mentioning short-deck poker! Very interesting and fast poker... I played short-deck more than some other variations, it's fast, and brings a lot of excitement because every deal we get some nice hand, but in this game Straight is something normal, the question is who has a higher one?! After all, playing with 32 cards is not the same as playing with 52, normally!

Still didn't answer, what blinds you play in these games?! :) I'm not pushing...

Yes short deck is another option, I don't personally like it much though, it is kinda confusing to me.

The stakes I did say at the end though, "mainly the high stakes that run are blinds of 1-2 USD and 5-10 USD type of games, of all these varieties. There is also limit stakes of some of them, for example, stud hi/lo is almost always played limit, with the stakes being typically 44/88 USD, that type of level. With as low as 4/8 or 1.50/3 USD"

Interesting thread here mate ,  I have come across other thread here in the past but not give attention but now since you give it here now ? i think i love to try those other Poker variations  ;D

maybe sending PM to get the link as it was deleted already by the forum for  malicious format .

I have come across similar poker tournaments on this forum and only dedicated to forum members, the last one I saw was the betnomi poker series hosted by yahoo some couple of months back. What can't remember is if the registration was done privately but since betnomi is a popular casino and have an established site I can't remember if the registration was done privately.

I do not think that NLH is the most exciting, if the most popular and as someone said out there is the Ferrari of poker, for television it is the best in transmitting those emotions, when you play any variant the adrenaline of winning or losing is the same.



In a moment or instant of any poker player who has continuity, he begins to play the different variants that exist, for whatever reason, at least one variant, generally, as was my case, OMAHA, within its variants the What I liked and was passionate about was Hi/lo.

Then I tried them all, I literally ended up in Razz, oh! shit I loved that game, then I stabilized in the famous 8-games (H.O.R.S.E), I lasted a couple of years connected, then because of those phases that you go through as a player I lost the motivation to play frequently (the responsibilities of the life).

When I reconnected with poker in addition to NLH, I was attracted to Chinese poker, by the way I played it several times there on SWC, it's intense and I like it, but the continuity of the game and the long hours of play are difficult nowadays.

By the way, I had the intention of a private table in betnomi, where we could connect known nicks and where they offered a 0 rake (it is not necessary, but it would be a request).

We also hope that another BPS can be carried out before the end of the year.

I would not play in any private club unless I knew the reputation of those who play there and in any case any game or tournament in any club would have more for me the entertainment factor than the profit factor.

As iv4n said, settle down there and we'll see what happens, I'm going to take advantage of the momentum of your thread and I'm going to make those requests again.

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Is this private club actively banning multiaccounters as well as colluders? How many players play there on average? What type of stakes are you referring to when you say high limit? Who owns the site? How long has it been open? Anyone that can or will vouch for the site besides you?

Nice questions! I asked about blinds, you probably miss his comment about stakes... 



And then I tried them all! :) I guess that's how it works for all of us, it was like that in my case! And definitely with responsibilities of the life motivation for spending hours on poker goes down...

I'm not sure, I think 888poker used to have (maybe still, I haven't turned on 888 for a few years) those mixed games, every 5-10 hands the poker variant we play changes...

Well, it's summer and I think it's hard to gather players now! Maybe with colder days... as always I am up for BPS and I will try my best to create free time for playing, but as we know it's hard to gather 15-20 active players!

You're right. I know only one variation of poker - it's Texas Hold'em. I would be interested to know about other variations and how popular these variations are among professional players.

Yes, people have been banned for multiaccounting and colluding, I'd like to think it is one of the cleanest sites out there still, but you can never be sure.

Avg number of players is around 100 per day.

High limit stakes are like 5-10 PLO, or 15/30 limit holdem, etc.

The site owners are some guys who wrote the software, I don't know them too well, but seem like pretty nice guys.

It has been around over 5+ years now, I know that for sure.

I have a friend that plays and is up slightly over a few years playing, I will ask him to come in here and vouch for the site as well.

Thanks for the questions

They can be strange for those who are new to it but not for those who know those games already. Instead of saying strange games, you can just say variety of xxx game, as that sounds better. And why only serious players can play these games? What about those who will only play for fun? I don't think such rules exist.

As long as we have a money to deposit, anyone is welcome in any gambling site because the owner only cares about the money and in fact they will like it better if the players don't know how to play the game because they can lose easily but why can't you just share the link here? Isn't possible to create an account on our own?

Hi, I said MAINLY for serious players. Anyone is welcome to join for fun, but it can be quite expensive. That is why I advised that it is principally for serious players who already understand these variety of games.

It is not possible to create an account by yourself, you need me or another approved player to do it. This is to keep the site safe from groups such as cheating rings that plague other online poker sites.

Everything that has to do with poker has always caught my attention, but I really would like it more if they made a thread Ann of the site, I am one of those users who trust only when they are here in a thread, however it catches my attention although the link has a somewhat strange URL, I would like them to always focus on PVP poker games, to make it much better, with a small internal chat, something like what was in betcoinpoker in the old days, where the tournaments were 24 hours a day and winning turned out to be very difficult, I think that since they closed that option I have never found another site that is so nice that is poker.

You don't get it. What attracts serious players to a poker room is weak players. The more weak players the better. A poker site intended primarily for regulars is destined to fail.

Human players for 24 hours a day? That's basically impossible in crypto poker sites based on my experience with them over time. You will be able to find bots though, but I am not sure if they will be available for the entire day.

That makes sense. There needs to be an optimal mix of players based on experience for the games to become more entertaining.

I think that most of the target players will rather not play online or strange games, they are used to compete in professional tournaments and train hours a day to become the best, it may be difficult to acquire these for a site. How would you create the right user experience, bonus and package to convince them that your site is for serious players and better than what they got?

No, no, in no way, I explained myself wrong, I meant that a platform where the games and tournaments were 24 hours a day, although it is almost impossible for a person to last playing like this, when I refer to 24 hours it is for all those people who are active at other times, that is, the platform never rests, but according to a gaming policy, it was taken into account that for any game that comes out and is played online (does not apply to casinos) a rest period should be left , either 6-12 hours for the game in question, because it was being determined that there were players who did nothing but play and there were many who had died of kidney problems, and everything that comes with sitting or lying down just playing, It's hard to believe, but in this world there are all kinds of people.

Imagine if all the players are wise and smart, then it’s hard to predict who will lose or win in such games. While having weak players on the table, the game will be more alive and smart players will always have high chances to maximize their profits, of course luck should also be present as poker games are luck based and not solely dependent on strategies and skills.

That makes sense if someone is in only for money! We can see that personality type in everything, people who do things only for money and profit, but some of us really enjoy playing... and when you like the game it's boring to play against weaker people, there's no fun and motivation in that! Don't get me wrong, I also like to win and take some cash with me, but it's much better when you play with serious people and you win! That's why bitcointalk poker games were unique, for many it was more about the poker and winning against others than the payout in the end! It's hard to find something similar around.

This is contradictory, because how to determine if a player is weak, I can see myself as weak, but I am very strong, if it is for money, I can be a great poker player, but I do not have much money, these are issues that can be given and so there are a lot of people, so it's not who is weak or strong, maybe a person is strong because they have more information and have more experience in poker, I would call everyone to play, if in that case a novice could be called weak , but a rookie can give many surprises, so the term should be used very carefully, very sparingly, no one in the game likes to be considered weak.

No one will know who is a professional player or a player who is not because when they are at a casino site, people play and can't see how their opponents are except when they play and win the game. The difference is that if you have good skills, you can win the poker game, while other players will lose and suffer a hefty loss. So before you play, it's better first to determine the amount of money you want to use so you won't suffer many losses because poker games can also make you forget when it's time to stop.

How is it done to determine when a player is professional? Is it because of his reputation or something else? If there is a player who enters a poker tournament and is not known but is a professional, how do they know if he is a professional or not? Professionals in poker should have a badge or something that identifies them, in order to calculate a rank of one as a player, right? I am not very knowledgeable about poker, but for me it is a game that has a lot of strategy and you have to have a lot of luck for the best plays to come out, I have been studying and I know that the royal flush is the one with the highest rank in this game, the Professionals are the ones who are always looking for the best moves and if they don't have them, they simply don't bet, right?

I think it's possible if a poker site will post the statistics of each player publicly. You will see if how many wins a player had versus to his losses but I think on most sites there is also a hide feature or to make themselves anonymous but other than this, a pro player can make a smurf account only to crush the newbie and weak players.

A good skill does matter in poker games but that will be limited if done online because you can't see the face of your opponent if they are bluffing or not but that's okay since they will also feel the same. This is what makes online poker exciting because you will also need some luck in order for you to win.

You can tell you don't have much knowledge of poker.

You don't need a badge.

Players who know how to play are divided into two types: professionals and regulars. The difference is that the professionals live only from poker and the regulars have other jobs and play in their free time, earning extra money.

For low levels, someone who plays few hands and plays them aggressively is someone who knows how to play. People who know how to play, seeing how others play, realize who is a good player or not, helped also if they play online by statistics programs (allowed, legal).

As the saying goes (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rounders_(film)):  If you can't spot the sucker in your first half-hour at the table, then you are the sucker.

I would say that every professional poker player is using statistical programs it todays world, it helps them to stay profitable and review their game. You need stastics to see where the problems in your strategy is. Either the poker casino has already programs that you can use yourself, or you can download your played hands as file and analyse it in external programs. A software that tracks all your hands played is mandetatory to see how well you are doing at each step of the game. For example, this will show you if win or loss too much pre flop, or if you go to too many showdowns, and it will keep track of your swings. For poker players who play a lot against other regulars another software to take notes is very important also. You can see this on twitch when checking the poker streamers, the all take notes to each other. This can be a basic color scheme to categorise players or even real detailed notes. Poker is an information game, the more information you have about an opponent the easiert it will be for you to make the right call. At higher blind games this is more important because there less players and you will meet a lot of the same guys the more you play. At the micro blind games there is a higher fluctuation of players and less need for stasticial programs, but it's still advisable to use them and get used to them for later games.

well that is how it works. Just like in trading ? there must be a weak or loser for others to win and I believe in all market this is what important to take part as it is a cycle of the business and events?
well that's it, if there are no loser then who will win? this is why gambling is a competition and that is what the nature happens.

A professional will never say he is a professional, always humble, and never brag about his abilities. He tends not to show arrogance and belittle others because he knows others can have better abilities than him and will continuously hone his skills. A professional also doesn't need a badge or something that identifies them. Ranking is not something to be proud of because they know that others are better than them. I also don't know much about poker and I can say that my ability to play poker is very low. Indeed, a professional will always look for ways to win but will not expose themselves to others.

The casino will not provide detailed results to the public because it also tries to keep the secret from every player and does not want to open it to the public. Maybe we will look at the statistics in general but not in detail.

That's why in playing poker games, we are required to have enough ability to compete with opponents and try to win from them. But if it turns out that our abilities are not enough to beat them, that means we have to train again and we can try to compete with them at another time.

Actually, many sites will provide results of your poker playing. Including Kings Club. Please contact me if you wish to get set up, and detailed results can be provided.

I have been doing some courses on poker and many things intrigue me, and there are ways to play that are quite risky and when you are betting a lot of money it is hard to make decisions, I have seen that some players who do not have a good game and win and They play a lot with psychological terror, they make believe they have an unbeatable game, and they win with three of a kind, a pair or something simple, but this is not taking care of the money invested.

When a hand bets a lot at the beginning, many choose not to bet and abandon that hand, but there is also a lot of truth in what you say, people have to count on a lot of luck.

Well, to tell the truth, a serious player for me is the one who maintains a winning rate and who usually always comes out well in every tournament or when he faces anyone, that is, his balance is positive even if he loses, his balances are in his favor.

I used to have an account at pokerstar.net but I've seen that there is a high level of players there, I really don't know how they do it, but I think it's also because experience teaches them how to play, apart from strategies, that's why I I am much more careful when I play with someone who has a lot of experience than with a novice, a novice bets much more on luck.