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I was quite surprised when I read this article for the first time because they gamble not for money or pleasure but because of the culture to test luck.

this does sound funny but what do you do if it turns out that your culture requires you to play gambling?

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slightly diverting from the topic above, I'm interested in Mark Griffiths' research;

link- (https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/vert_fut/2016/08/160817_vert_fut_judi)

I am interested in making this topic because the debate between gambling for money or entertainment is still very long, now I add that some people gamble to practice skills and also because it has become their culture (like the Chinese people)

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btw, if you have a lot of free time you should read this topic too;

• The Gambler's Fallacy (The key to unbiased gambling) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166869.0)
• Psychological Technique - Play without Pressure (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5116568.0)
• Keeping A Record Of Your Losses Will Make You Realize To Stop Gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228506.0)
• Gambling and health 🤕symptoms (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224842.0)
• The Paradox of Gambling behavior (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395693.0)
• Greatest Gambling Losers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271198.0)

We have a thread  The History Of Gambling. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5405436.0) And it shows that the ancient Chinese are one of the forefathers of gambling. So obviously, I will agree that it is part of their culture already. So I'm not shock by the article, they've been into gambling that really someone will what to test their luck to see if they are indeed going to get rich through gambling or have some money. And yeah, we've also discussed the entertaining aspect of it, for pure joy and fun, like playing roulettes or slot machines.

Is the reward for best of luck not money, how can we say the gamble not for money? do they forfeit the money if they turn out lucky and win in gambling? That is a detail to the story i am interested in knowing. For me, my culture says nothing about gambling and doesn't require me to try anything to prove my luck. For the Chinese, I don't think it is a must for everyone. You will be inclined to try out your luck gambling if you subscribe to your culture and it's practice, but if you have been westernised, and do not subscribe to culture, even if you gamble still, your intentions will be more than juat wanting to try out your luck.

Me going home with empty pocket is not very entertaining at all. I don't think it would before majority of the people who has wife and kids. It may be for the rich who are not having money problems but finance is always the reason for wife and husbands quarrel, you get entertained in the casino but at home will not be entertaining.

The Chinese has distinctive look of things and gambling is among it but one reason gambling is ban in China is probably because gambling produces more dysfunctional families so they created an isolated place where only rich are able to gamble.

"part of culture" doesn't necessarily mean "required". It's a huge influence why they gamble but it's not like someone is putting a gun in their head if any of them refuses to play.

A lot of people gamble and just treat it as a past time so it's not surprising that games were designed to be fun. I think they also understand that every gambler doesn't really aim for the "big money" from the start. It's all entertainment in their early days of gambling.

Chinese have their own collection of stereotypes and superstitions. The number 4 is considered unlucky to them. They avoid living in apartments with the #4. They avoid eating hot or cold food depending on the time of day. They have a number of quirks that are interesting.

The biggest revenue stream in video gaming is micro transaction based coupled with loot boxes. Many game developers were forced to abandon lootboxes due to it being regulated under gambling. But casinos and gambling institutions have no such limitation. I like the idea of expanding on small cap gambling for those who wish only to "test their luck".

Its very negative when someone loses a life changing amount of money gambling. If a person loses $20,000 that is terrible.

Small cap gambling involving very small amounts of money are a healthier precedent. It may also be more profitable if people know they will be protected from losing larger sums of money under a micro transaction and extreme low minimum wager environment.

I don't mind giving it a go even if it's a requirement or not as long as there's a way to not spend too much money on gambling.

I sometimes do the same but instead of the jackpots for me, it's the live RTPs as some casinos are showing them on most third-party slot games and it could be one of the deciding factors to play or switch to another game since you'd rather look for another game that pays out more than the other.

I don't get the "trying your luck via gambling" thing. You could try your luck without betting money on it. ;D
Unfortunately most of the people gamble because of that hidden subconscious thought that they will make a "big hit" and they will win big money without any efforts. This is basically your "monkey mind" playing tricks on you. I remember that the subconscious mind was called "monkey mind" by buddhism and keeping your monkey mind under control is the most important part of growing as a person.
I'm no expert in Chinese culture and we have to ask some Chinese guy about the theory of gambling being a big part of Chinese culture.
My culture definitely doesn't require me to gamble. Gambling is still viewed as a bad thing where I live, despite many people visiting the offline casinos and playing lottery.

Judging by a Chinese proverb that says something like this, that if you don't gamble, you will never be able to find out how lucky you are, then yes, this tradition is to try your luck for yourself, but again, it doesn't oblige you to anything. The population of Macau is about 700,000 people, but at the same time it is visited by almost 40 million tourists a year and the majority are Chinese residents.

Yes, the Chinese are very gamblers.  What is it connected with? 

China is a very ancient country that has existed for about 5,000 years.  This is a country in which the central government has always been very strong.  The inhabitants of China had few civil rights and freedoms, the value of an individual human life in China has always been low. 

All this brought up fatalism in the Chinese. 

That is why the Chinese are very fond of gambling.  Gambling is an opportunity to enter into combat with fate and at least for a moment get out of a strictly defined social role. 

An ant in an anthill cannot defy fate and try its luck.  But a person can. 

The gambling of the Chinese is very clearly manifested in the topic of cryptocurrencies.  It was the people of China who propamped the initial price of the EOS token from $0.85 to $6 in June 2017. 

This is why the Chinese government prohibits and restricts cryptocurrencies and gambling.

What caught my eye is that they are referring to it as something to get rid of bad luck when you are for example losing money and to test your good luck when you are winning.If all gamblers had this philosophy in mind then most probably very few of them would be addicted as when they lose money instead of going back to try and get the lost money they would think finally I got rid of bad luck so let's find something new where to spend the remaining money.Also when they win they should call it a day and be thankful for their good luck.A really interesting article indeed.

Luck is really on their DNA, I mean during Chinese new year, they have fire crackers to wad off unlucky spirits. So that is gambling for them, in their tradition and wherever to go, North America or Chinese Asia, still the same as far as luck and gambling goes. So probably there is some truth that they are going to try everything to test out their luck and whatever it bring them good fortunes or not.

For sure, this topic is not going to end, for pure money and entertainment it really depend on the individual itself. But for the Chinese people gambling is on a totally different level for them as it is part of every facets of their lives already. So yeah, maybe they are gambling to try their luck or what maybe their positive energy and their horoscope (another important discovery in ancient China) is saying.

Generally speaking, there are academic articles that discussed how money is the primary reason why people gamble^{[1] (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23243985_The_Role_of_Money_in_the_Excitement_of_Gambling)[2] (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6534954_The_five-factor_gambling_motivation_model#:~:text=The%20five%20factors%20that%20motivate,responses%20from%20234%20frequent%20gamblers.)}, and I don't think anyone would argue on that.

Plus, it is still understandable if others considered gambling simply because they enjoyed or just trying to test out their luck. People have different backgrounds and kinks just like the Chinese. Heck, there are even lots of POGO here in our country where the majority of them are Chinese owners.

- https://www.pagcor.ph/regulatory/offshore-gaming.php

This is new for me too, so I appreciate OP for sharing this stuff.
I didn't know it was based to test luck and I never had that kind of intention before. I always gamble for money and fun, the pleasure it gives out once you put the bet in.
It gave me a good idea though to maybe do the same thing as what they did before. Try your luck on the first bet and if it wins, maybe it will be a lucky day. If it loses then take the rest.
But it still doesn't mean you will go all the way betting without a rest.

As in many other addictions, what is at the base is an addiction to dopamine. Gambling gives you dopamine fixes, and to keep gambling is to keep looking for your fix. There are several types of addictions based on dopamine and they are not all equally dangerous because there are other factors to take into account, such as addiction to video games or porn.

I buy the entertainment thing for responsible gamblers who gamble occasionally but not for people who gamble (and often lose) more than they should, because I think if they say they do it for entertainment they are trying to mask their addiction.

Seems like very good thread pointing out a research. Cultural factors should be definitely considered thinking about gambling. In western society gambling is always seen as a quick way of making money/getting rich. But as OP points Chinese people see it as part of life. Cause gambling is the best place to test your luck. I sometimes think how gambling was invented, maybe "testing luck" could be main reason humandkind invented it even. Just food for thought. It can be really eye opening.

If it is the local culture that requires us to gamble, I guess it will be okay because the local government itself will allow it.
And as long as we don't break the rules of gambling games which are local culture, I think we can still enjoy it.
Maybe it was held in some countries while those of us who don't live in that country would find it absurd.
But then again, it is their culture that is different from ours.
Maybe you can visit that place to take part in the gambling game ;D

If that's their culture then we must respect it it may not look wrong because every session is very much different from the other one, you cannot be lucky all the time, but of course, there is a limit on testing their luck, they cannot chase their losses just to prove that they are lucky, there should be a limit on that, their culture is not teaching them to be immoral when you mean to test that doesn't mean they should spend all their money.
Chinese culture is very much different from ours but there are moderation on how they practice their culture especially on gambling

Although the article says Chinese people gambling is like culture or luck, but that is not entirely true, in general Chinese people have principles like other people, they know gambling is a risk and will cause personal problems.

Basically those who uphold gambling as luck, culture and bad luck, it's done by Confucians, they believe more in (Jade God H S T), they consider gods who rule the universe, so there are rituals, dates, days, years and many others, where they believe that gambling will get good luck or get rid of bad luck which is considered a culture in gambling, they also use the old calendar until now.

Usually they will gamble culturally on a large scale in the spring / new, so the culture as gambling for Confucians has been inherited and transmits the value of luck since 700 AD.

But for other teachings, it's not like that, they are just like people in general, gambling is not a culture, gambling risks and personal matters.

It's not gambling if money (or something else valuable) isn't involved... the risk is always a risk, so as we raise bets, the risk becomes greater! That's the thrill that gambling brings! It's not like that every time with me, I usually play normally, but there are days when I take a little more risk in terms of chasing some bigger payouts with higher bets! Because who wouldn't love to win something big?! :) But after all, it's all about fun, and because it's fun! Whether we win or lose we bought some entertainment...

Correct, it's shame to see how someone who only playing with faucet or demo account on casino and after hit a huge multipliers, he will say he's a professional gambler lol. Actually he isn't different with a kid who ask their parent for money and then after he's success, he will forget about his parents.

Not really sure how many people didn't see gambling as for fun while they can spent a lot money just to buy an expensive skin for their game characters. I'd say bought an expensive skin is more useless rather than gambling.

I do bought buying expensive skin in games especially on Dota2 and gambling at the same time. I don’t agree about buying skin is useless compared to gambling because I can use it permanently to the game to improved the visual style of my character that gives me more entertainment when playing game. You literally waste your money if you lose in gambling compared to Dota2 skin that can be sold if you don’t want it anymore.

I think it depends on the person personal preference on how they view entertainment to measure how they really enjoying on things that they will do.

I have read the history of gambling from other threads and tried to find other sources of information for comparison reference to make sure it is correct. In conclusion, there are many articles that confirm that gambling was invented from the era of Egypt, Greece, ancient China.

speaking of China, China has a variety of cultures including gambling culture. many gambling games worldwide with Chinese appendages such as pai gow, mahjong, qiu-qui to capsa all smell Chinese.

Chinese people have a unique perspective, gambling practices are often seen from the good side, for example, gambling at the event of a death or wedding, for example, the family has the right to collect a "commission" from gambling proceeds as a donation for the family, another example is playing mahjong not just relying on hockey. There is a cognitive process strategy that is needed,
The most important thing in the game of mahjong is that it is believed to be healthy for parents so that they are not senile.
This is only a small part of what I describe about the Chinese gambling culture.

All I do know is, Gambling is part of many cultures and also families as well, which does mean that some people are more prone to deviate towards it, some people might grow up seeing people play blackjack on the corner of their house which is very common in a country like India where the gambling is permissible in a weird way, other than that the phrase ' You Bet' is so common as well but it just shows us the roots of gambling as well.

I do think that if we talk about the theory of social constructivism it states clearly that people might learn more from their social life and experiences thus in here as well gambling can be a learned activity.

Agree with you Beparanf, it's about personal preferences... as long as it's something you enjoy in, why not to spent some money to boost that enjoyment!? :)

We all have priorities in life, but there is always a certain amount of money that we spend on entertainment... the proportion is different for everyone, but I'm sure that we all would like to have more money for entertainment, but it is what it is... don't spend more than you can afford to lose when it comes to fun and entertainment, and again I am sure we are speaking about some vices and unnecessary things in life as skins for some game or better shoes and things like that... if you start spending over your head on some vice or unnecessary things you will get in trouble! Clear fact! So as long as we have control we can enjoy and have fun for the money we have...

PS... I play LoL, I didn't spend money on skins and things, but I got a lot of them by playing and I am happy every time I get some new ones! It makes a game experience a lot better!

Spending funds for game skin isn't the same as spending funds on betting. In skins, we're able to use and enjoy what we purchased and it gives us satisfaction, unlike gambling where there is no assurance that we'll win and make a profit from it. Buying skins and other game-related items for me isn't a waste of money.

I didn't have a clue about that. Test one's luck. Hmmm. It's that simple back then but now it became a gigantic industry that is not just about testing luck anymore. I think no one will do that anymore. Going to a casino, betting in one game and then going out. Heck, you might be stopped by security if you this everyday and will be questioned why.  :D
I see gambling to spice things up and a remedy for boredom when games became just the usual game and not much of an entertainment anymore.

link- (https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/vert_fut/2016/08/160817_vert_fut_judi)

I am interested in making this topic because the debate between gambling for money or entertainment is still very long, now I add that some people gamble to practice skills and also because it has become their culture (like the Chinese people)

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There is definitely some complex psychology that casinos are always trying to master. As you describe, they will use systematic tricks that could reward the player in the short term and entice them with the idea that they win a lot of money with say an opening $50 in a machine. They might get that up to $100 in a short space of time with a few small wins, by this point the player might have started to form an attachment to the game and it's about keeping them seated as long as possible by tantalizing them with the idea of winning. Players can be fooled by "almost winning" as well, like seeing 8 out of 9 jackpot symbols on the screen - but they never came close to winning as it was a setup.

right, I've read about that "monkey mind" too...

but they say that religion and culture can't be unified, gambling on Chinese holidays has become their tradition long before Buddhism emerged, so they are like carrying out a tradition, not religious teaching.

besides vegas, Macau is a tourist destination for gambling lovers all over the world, people don't look for natural beauty here. reportedly Macau has not opened up yet but in the near future, Macau will start to open of course with restrictions on visitors (from foreign countries).

Culture is history handed down by ancestors, I'm personally honestly it doesn't matter and will try it if gambling belongs to my culture. Due to the fact that my culture is very much forbid gambling which can result in losses with that are far very high risk, but I gambler for fun with money, well maybe came to mind several times also for profits even though I rarely win xD because driven by excessive adrenaline.

It should not be surprising at all that something like this exist, we even have proverbs like "fortune favors the bold" which can be rephrased as success belongs to those that take risks, and humans as a species reward those that take huge risks and succeed in the process.

So it is not really surprising that gambling is incredibly popular all around the world, even in the countries in which it is forbidden, because it is simply part of our human nature, if to this we add a culture that encourages people to gamble then this will only increase even further the amount of people that love to gamble.

Interesting findings as this comes as an entirely new information to me. A Chinese culture having gambling for a determinate of a person's fated year! This tells how old gambling must have been associated with its people. The truth to the later as I see it is the fact that, gambling is entirely a game of luck, maybe one that comes with a little bit of experience with the game but winning is mainly by luck and having to fate a year being on gambling outcome is entirely a programming of your mind. It's not entirely out of place and is more of a psychological thing as this could build a more positive mindset for an individual who happens to win and vice versa for the loosers. This doesn't mean those who lost have got an ill fated year, its just a mindset.

Whenever you do make yourself believed into something then you would really be ending up on fixating things and wont tend to make out some alterations if you do see different outcome or errors or simply you are losing that much.We know that human mind or brain could really able to create that kind of thing which would really be heavily affecting someones decisions whether into the present or even into future.If you do really fix yourself on believing into something specially dealing on a thing which do involves luck then you would really be seeing different outcomes or situation which make things
even more harder and boggles you off and in result neither you would be finding or believing another thing or would be sticking on what you had believed before.

The question is not valid to ask here. Why? Simply because we don't understand why they do gambling out of culture.

Therefore, how can we even answer that if in the very place we are not used to or grow up in that kind of situation? If we were born in a culture like that there will be no question like that obviously. I know there's a freedom of expression here but to say it sounds funny is out of the line.

If you don't understand their culture then stay out of it.

Chinese culture is fascinating, yeah it may look funny but if you dwell or understand their belief, these are based on practicality and harmony, they rely heavily on luck in their practice of Fengsui and other ancient practices, this is advice to test their luck and not for them to put a lot of money and gamble everything, I'm sure there is a limit to that test and do not want their practitioners to end up as compulsive gamblers.

I think no need to discuss it. I mean I don't know why should we go deep on this.

My question is, is that really a debatable thing why people are gambling be it for money and entertainment? We have different approaches to gambling and we can't apply it to everyone. Why it should be argued? If I do gambling because of money then I don't care for the purpose of others. That's out of our concern already.

If we gamble, we don't need to go technical on other things. I don't even see this as a help to become a better gambler.

People may find it important to test their luck in important days to check if they should do something they are in doubt about, like to start an investment, to marry, to travel, to make a great purchase... If the gambling result is positive, it's a signal they should go on, but if the result is negative, it's a warning they should be more careful, give up or simply wait a little longer for a better opportunity.

For some people it can look strange, but when you have come from traditional families or millennial cultures which have been keeping these habits alive for generations, it's just part of the routine and in fact, to not follow them would mean a strange thing for those people.

Almost all cultures or religion believe that there is a powerful Being that controls the affairs of humanity. They believe that it is this Supernatural Being that brings wealth and prosperity. Although some religion forbids it but gambling is one of the means they believe that their gods can give financial prosperity. It is also good to learn that apart from winning big most gamblers gamble for fun. I guess that research was done in the developed world where the standard of living is very high. But in developing world that is facing poverty and economic challenges, most people gamble for profit and nothing more.

I will follow that because that is the culture that requires me to play gambling. But I will always remember that I do not have to use too much money because that is the only requirement for my culture. And if that is enough, I will stop it as soon as possible and will not try to gamble for more because I know the risk of playing gambling for too long. Although that is a culture, we have our decision to stop and not risk more money to fill our satisfaction because we do not want to be addicted to gambling.

Money is the most important thing for gambling and in my opinion you should try to count all the money you have used to gamble and how much profit you have got because as a gambler you must be able to make a profit with capital that has been used, if not make a profit then you only get a loss and the decision to quit I think is good so you don't get too stressed, but when you can get a lot of profit from gambling then you have to continue with that skill.

In my opinion, nowadays you are speaking in terms of your own culture (the culture and mentality of the country in which you were born). 

I will give a specific example.... 

There are nations on planet Earth, in whose culture it is customary to spend a lot of money on wedding celebrations.  The wedding itself lasts several days.  Hundreds and thousands of guests are invited to the celebration.  The most expensive wines and products are bought.  The budget for this wedding is huge.  The groom borrows a very large amount of money and pays this debt all his life.  Logically, this is not rational. 

But from the point of view of the representative of this particular people, this is a custom that cannot be violated.

I came from a country where Religious Marriage is important, People nowadays are becoming practical with their life choices, The Sociology about belief's and tradition is evolving. This is why some people in my country choose civil wedding that is relatively cheap over than religious marriage which needed a huge sum of money. This is also applicable to gambling, Not everyone follows customs and tradition. I have a Chinese friend who don't gamble and I don't know if he know this culture of them playing gamble during Chinese new year since he only watches me to play and whenever I invited him to join, He is always saying that he don't know and don't want to gamble.

Almost past eight weeks I haven't used my campaign payment. Everytime I receive the payment I use it for gambling. As a result I've lost everything. This means I've understood that I'm in loss and in a situation to quit. But, the hope of winning big and recovering back the funds keep me get into gambling whenever I receive payment. What you say is true, for the past few months I was completely into stress as I wasn't able to keep my payments and use it.

If it is the detect of the culture then nobody under the culture will go against it at least for the beginning of the practice of the culture but if there are changes as a result of acculturation, it will happen that the culture will begin to be altered and changed.

One of the ways that cultures get modified and changed into another culture is through acculturation which is addition of culture to produce another brand new culture and of course culture is man made and if it is obnoxious type that is contrary to good life, then people can start agitating over it. Therefore I believe there will be limit and requirement that you can gamble for the sake of the culture and not to become an addict with it.

Are you seriously? I did not think that the influence of culture is so great. And in general, it seems to me that if culture exists at the macro level, then for each individual (at the micro level) culture (as a kind of average value) does not matter. And besides, in our time, when thanks to the internet, the influence of local cultures is very weakened, it is strange to assume that it can have such an influence.

when it comes to modern gambling, money is the most important thing and that's right, no argument can break it.
but if you refer to culture, especially gambling culture, it is not only money that is at stake. There is a role in testing luck, for example, the Chinese gambling culture with its mahjong or pai gow, cohesiveness in the group (family) when playing gambling in culture.
no exception to the traditional gambling culture that exists in my country, not only money is the betting medium, there are many unique things that not many people understand the implied meaning in it.

I never really thought about it that "luck" be tested. I was thinking of only samples that will be tested, not something that is not tangible.

All I thought was "Character Stats", and you are going to be tested and find how you can "increase their stats."

• Strength
• Agility
• Dexterity
• Intelligence
• Vitality
• Luck

So Luck is being increased now. Lol. I'm just kidding. But it's a video game to test or something. I do hope that this has helped somebody, though. Increase chances or something.

You will not only find the gambling culture in China.
Do you all remember this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5378786.msg58844123#msg58844123)? One of the cultures that is thick with gambling is the animal race festival. Basically, participants are required to bet on the race in the form of a "registration fee". Because in the end the prizes they get will come from the money collected (not to mention winnings from external private bets).

This is true, in Chinese culture gambling also includes strengthening the brotherhood between them. I say this because I have a neighbor who is a large family of Chinese descent, they often play mahjong gambling and the ones who play are uncles, eldest sons, and sometimes aunts at one table even though they use money but they look happy even the winners will lend money to the losing families to return to play, but they don't do that every day.

we, who are culturally different from them, of course, see this as a strange thing but it has become one of the things that strengthen their kinship!

Its not just the Chinese who does gamble with family members, most race I think if not all. Even the Inuit living in Igloos gambles too which they bet their hunting weapons. I guess it strenghten relationship within the kins.

Gambling is part of the culture but they don't have to gamble to test their luck, they can do test luck somewhere like investing or going abroad to find jobs. Its just entertainment and for some making money, its why i'm sure its not okay for me going home losing all. I'd rather stop playing.

We also have that kind of gambling in our country. It often involves cock fighting, spider fighting, and so on. Though others say that it's animal cruelty, the government still allows it because it's part of the culture. They collect the registration fee which will serve as the jackpot prize after the game.
Chinese people have their own cultural beliefs when it comes to luck and they apply it to gambling. They even influenced their neighboring countries with it.

China is a rather well-known country for the number of superstitions and the like that they have (and follow), wouldn't be surprised if gambling was one of them. It doesn't have any negative connotation as well so I think it's fine for them to do so. Especially if it's part of their culture, it might even turn out to be a family type of bonding thing (and would also be helpful to actually educate the family about knowing what gambling is). Heck, that might be a useful thing for people to start doing.

I do consider the process entertaining (for some games). Wouldn't really consider the process of waiting for a dice to roll entertaining after some point.

The results of this calculation do not necessarily mean that we will have more winning money than the money we used to gamble. If you want to gamble, it's better not to be too serious about using money that you can't afford to lose so that if you do lose, your losses won't be big. Profits from gambling cannot be predicted because of the losing factor, so we must consider this before playing gambling. If you are not ready to lose, don't gamble more than you can afford.

Yes, sometimes what people from other places who have different cultures do from what we are used to will seem irrational because we think that why is it still being done, especially if we don't have much money to do it . But back to each culture from one place or country and we can't say anything because maybe it is something that the people should not violate. That's why we need to respect every culture that exists in different places because we come from different cultures.

Maybe you haven't experienced it but for people who live in such a culture, they have to follow it or at the very least, they get involved in it. But along with the times, there are times when culture can be discussed which can be reduced and eliminated because it is not in accordance with the times itself. But it is important to keep each culture from each region so as not to be lost later. We only have to maintain good culture because it is a legacy for our future generations.

What if they didn't win? Will they feel that their bad luck adds up? but it makes sense to use gambling to test luck because it's hard to win in gambling especially if you set the odds at a higher level. It is said that chinese don't gamble for profit and for the entertainmentbut I think they can't avoid to get entertained during the proccess and if ever they win, I think they will also withdraw the money.

That is if they are a professional gambler. It makes sense to practice using real money because that is more challenging than practicing using a demo version of the game. If you aren't a pro gambler, I don't think gambling can contribute on improving your skill.

omg, what are you guys doing? :D very cool articles, thank you, read'em with pleasure! I'm thinking of taking the topic of gambling as a term paper. this is clearly a fertile topic

Don't blame gambling for the lack of self-discipline.  It is a gambler's choice whether he will spend all his money on gambling or separate budgets according to its usage.  Gambling games are just a tool for entertainment and possible profit generation.  It never encourages us to bet more than what we can afford to lose. 


There is a study that proves that engaging in gambling activity can sharpen a person's mind and thus can improve brain-related skills.  It was discussed in one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407195.msg60607720#msg60607720) of the threads here in the gambling discussion

But before we can sharpen our minds and improve our skills, we can lose a lot due to the many factors of the temptation to spend more money on gambling. This we must realize and although we want to improve our skills, we must also remember that gambling can cause us to become addicted. I think many other activities can also help sharpen the mind and improve skills, not playing gambling, so we will not have problems later.

I think that gambling is something strongly correlated with a person's personality, gambling is not for everyone and there are also some people that doesn't like to play. Also, there are person that play only for fun and some

other else that loves so much to risk and to have some particular sensation. So, I think that psychology is something that is dependent with gambling.

In my opinion there will always be people who are not able to control themselves and this applies not only to gambling but also to alcohol, drugs, promiscuity and even sports. Those who don't see the line between responsible attitude to their health and their money will always get into unpleasant life situations and have problems. So the sooner a person realizes that he must learn to limit his desires, the stronger his health (both physical and psychological) and financial situation will be.

When we meet a beautiful girl and invite her to a restaurant, we are well aware that we will spend the money for dinner, but it does not guarantee a continuation of a wonderful evening. I do not quite understand why many people do not want to understand the simple truth that we should also pay to play in the casino.

A good example of entertainment is pachinko, a game popular mostly in Japan, but it can be found in many Asian countries. It's basically a type of pinball where you drop metal balls and try to get them fall into certain gates and holes. It's entertaining and very addicting because balls are cheap and $50 can get you a big bucket that will allow you to play for hours. If you go to a pachinko house you'll find that people are sitting them with whole trays and buckets full of balls and dropping them into the machine for hours, sometimes a whole day.

people are willing to spend money for their entertainment, their traditions as well as improving their skills and this is human nature

when gambling for pleasure then there is nothing wrong with that, when gambling to respect traditions that have been carried out since time immemorial then there is also nothing wrong with that, as long as you are able to control yourself (not to lose your family and yourself) then that's fine

With all the data which we have gathered on Bitcointalk, I would not be surprised if a psychology scientist decided to to look deeper into the posts for their research on gambling, especially crypto gambling. :P

Although I admit, I am quite interested in the topic as well. Although I am looking at the neuroscientific aspect for now, I would probably look in the psychological aspect as well. Flashing lights, color psychology, number psychology it all can be tweaked to a point where you can basically hypnotize someone.

Scary thought  :-\

Everything would really be just fine if you do really know on how to set limits not only in gambling but also in other things as well where you should have the control and does have the patience.If you do seek for leisure

then its not bad to spent some money out of it but dont expect nor hope that much because thats not how thing works on making easy wins.People should realize that gambling does have high risk and never ever
consider on making it as a living or making it as a hobby because you would really be putting yourself into some addiction. We do have that very common perception that gambling could make us rich
in a short time but of course if you would hit up some jackpot or huge multipliers but we know that odds is something close to impossible thats why never ever mind off on making yourself
to hit up that kind of probability.

If you are a family man, and yet your focus is still on gambling, clearly it will create a huge problem especially if you lose all your hard-earned money which is supposedly intended to fund for family expenses. Irresponsible gamblers are mostly the cause of a broken family since they cannot prioritize their families anymore and leave them hungry almost all the time. With this case, China is right to ban gambling. However, gambling as a part of Chinese tradition, I think that should only be practiced occasionally when there are reasons to celebrate, but not that people should fall into gambling addiction.

It's probably because they don't think much about the truth so they still just play in the casino and spend some money. If they really realized it, they would not play gambling in the casino too often but only occasionally and even then not use too much money for only a few moments. But the temptation of gambling gets bigger with what they get, whether winning or losing, so that's what makes them spend more money.

At first, they can be responsible for themselves but as the temptation grows and greed grows, the responsibility will disappear and eventually they forget themselves.

Weeeeeell, guys, it turned out that one of my teachers is a gambler with an exp of 20 years XD I think it'd be cool to team up with him and write a term paper about gambling! damn, I wish I was a psychologist :(

Having a family and still continuing your gambling activities would only cause conflict and issues if you won't be able to manage it. Not all families has concerns for gambling related activity but you must always know your priority and know your limits when gambling as you are not only living for your own but rather for your love ones as well. Financial problem is one of the common issue between families as it's one of foundation to be able to survive but it is also why people relates gambling with this as more and more people gets addicted to gambling.

I think it will all depend on you, some people play gambling occasionally and their families knew that there's no bad thing about that. It will only matter if you are already addicted to it, if you know your limits and you put your family first before your hobby (gambling) then it is good. Emotional support from the family really can help us if we are getting addicted to something. If a family can no longer support someone with their addiction or it can't help so much, he needs to rehabilitate.

The link is not in English I don't know if the content carries the fact of your post, I have a lot of Chinese friends but they don't do gambling to test their luck but rather to enjoy the game, I don't think there are cultures that require you to gamble, there are precautions if they let you gambling but encouraging is not a good culture to grow up with, gambling is part of the Chinese culture but it's on individual's preferences not impose by cultures.

I would not comment that gambling is a part of any culture as it is NOT in the present times. However, the relationship between Luck and Gambling is highly interrelated. If you think about how people win in gambling then you will know that it is only Luck that makes the gambler win or lose.
If you want to know if you are a lucky or unlucky person, perhaps you can play a few gambling games and know about this fact  ;)

Gambling is defenitely a part of different cultures and has been talked about in ancient texts. They have though, warned the reader about the ill-effects of gambling addiction and how the gambler is forced by their own mind to gamble more and thus self-control to stop this compulsion.

I would say that such texts are only a warning note. Cultures that have gambling ingrained in them should be avoided by those who are known addicts and trying to avoid making the same mistake again. If you visit Las Vegas you would defenitely spend a few hundreds (or thousands) on their slot machines but keep that as once a lifetime thing. Dont come back to claim your losses, because we all know that the outcome of that is loss.

Gambling may be part of Chinese culture but I don’t see it compulsory for everyone. That is why even if the Communist party has banned gambling, there is still a city left where all gamblers are safe to engage in their pursuit. I guess this is done as part of respecting their ancestors culture as no matter what banning the government will do, there will always be people who prefer gambling in most of their lives. Although gambling is a test of luck for Chinese, but it’s still a clear evidence that people gamble to try out their luck and still aim to make fortune.

sometime when people are in need of money and they are desperate to get it they jump into the gambling - they come either successful or unsuccessful
but they do give it a try in the time of depression - may be due to their own trouble, to make the love happy - or any medical urgency. sometime we all are become so helpless and makes mistake.

As with many things in life, it can be hard to break out of the environment in which you are raised and the only way to do so can be a well rounded education. However sometimes you can end up in a tricky situation, where you can only receive that sort of education if you are brought up in a stable home - potentially with access to things like holidays which broaden your perspective, a school system that supports all types of learning, and a family that is supportive. In most cultures, being lucky is regarded as an obscure curiosity that people generally put little faith in, from what I've seen in China it is an all encompassing part of their society - almost their religious belief - which is one thing that Mao was possibly unable to stamp out when purging religion. It is a dangerous and silly trait which actually means they overlook a lot of important factors when planning anything at all

When bad things happen then those desperate calls is really common even we do know that it isnt really a good choice but since we are on a situation where there are no other options
left then this is where we do really ending up but its a personal choice since not all could able to tolerate such risk and there's a good self control and discipline on oneself.
Gambling is never been a wise thing or making it as an option whether thinking that you are making yourself rich or making it as a solution into your debts.
Gambling is for fun and never intended nor ideal on making it as a problem solver when it comes to finances which is really a very bad or wrong idea.

Before I read this topic, I would never have guessed that chinese people bet to try their luck!!

Well, I've read a few times in the internet and seen some videos that the chinese are superstitious, I believe this is something cultural. (but never thought it was that way lol)

I'm wondering how gambling makes one get rid of bad luck? These Chinese believe in everything that is without logic, but in the end, there is no question with people's beliefs, if they believe in such things we can only look and shut up and wish them good luck. gambling are divided into gambling based on luck and gambling based on strategies, and even in gambling based on luck math comes in, making people not only depend on luck

What I like about all this is that if we had a bit of that Chinese culture, there would be no addiction problems, because everything is very simple, if you play and don't win, it can be interpreted that at that moment you have bad luck and for , that is, he does not insist, he leaves and comes back at another time, and this is not bad if we see it from the mental health point of view, in other players when they lose a lot they believe that luck is on their side and they insist on continuing to play to win and to win back what you have lost.

If a player takes into account that he plays to try his luck and to have fun, if he is not lucky he only has fun, but if he is lucky and has fun he also wins, that combination is not bad.

When you check the age of those people who is ready to spend their money for entertainment you will see that those people are aged so therefore someone that is adult do not spend it money for entertainment because it have a diversity or many project that will give rise to money so any adult is thinking to build it future

Depends on the situation because not everybody would really be playing gambling for the sake of income or winnings because not all old or aged people are still thriving their best and some of them are just financially
free which they can really make out spending without having those doubts on spending money just because they had already established themselves on different investment which they could able to sustain their
gambling expenses or spending without minding themselves on getting broke thats why we shouldnt really make out some generalization on  someone who do make out spending on their gambling moments or times.
Since there are people who do have different status when it comes to finances and achievements that they had able to reach out in life.

But even gambling based on strategies are still kind of relying on the factor of luck because there will be some time that even we analyze it carefully about what would be the nearest outcome, we still see ourselves in the defeated side because an upset is always around the corner. But that's not often, and will usually happen when we didn't expected it the most.

But there's no such tool or thing that will help us get rid of bad luck, even Chinese Feng Shui or lucky zodiac signs or whatever it is called is not guaranteed and proven that you can get rid of the bad luck. It's just a man made tool where it's a business for a lot of Chinese people.

It is quite common that when people are facing desperate times they try all kind of measures that even if they know they make no sense in their desperation they do not see any other way to get additional money.

It is because of this we need to do what we can not to get into a situation like that, so it is important to have a cash reserve of several months in case of a family emergency, losing our jobs, we have to pay an expensive car repair or the countless scenarios which make us to spend money that was not in our budget at the time.

You always need to have reserves, this will help protect yourself from rash and forced decisions. If you have to live in rented housing and you are left without a job and there is no money set asided, then you can say, that you are falling into a trap. Then it will be necessary to agree to any job just to earn something, and if there are savings, then there will be time to correct the current situation, then there will be fewer mistakes and it will be calmer.

The most important thing is not to be a gambler and not to pick up a complex that psychologists designate as a Mana personality, it is really better to have an archetype of Puer or just a game for the sake of a game without a rational approach. :)

you will never know and understand the meaning of the cultural practices they do especially the topic of discussion is china, modern society says that it doesn't make sense it's nothing more than superstition. actually the understanding is not what we think there is a shift in meaning here. 
Gambling is not seen in a simple way, Chinese people see gambling games as more than just winning or losing, gambling can be a test of courage and instinct, especially luck.

In Hong Kong and Taiwan, gambling has even become a gathering place for every meeting, so is the fact that Chinese people like gambling true? obviously not. This is a stereotype, Chinese people are no different from us in general, gambling is a personal matter regardless of the cultural traditions they practice.

Let's leave civilization aside, economy advancement as well and technology all at one side, lets face the culture in full, it is believed that every country has it own culture and there's a way that they have gambling being played as games for friendship or recreation purpose, gambling has the mentality of leisure time, no culture will exist without having time for leisure and in doing these, people gamble and have fun, in doing these as well they meet with each other creating ties together which is an indication of sociology and psychology benefit derived from gambling activities they celebrates together.

Dude, if that was the case, we would never have seen an introduction of Gambling disorders into the International Classification of Diseases, last volume. :D

That does not mean that all is lost for the addicted gamblers. There is always hope for de-addiction but the impetus has to come from the gambler itself.

Many countries and communities have social gambling festivals. But one has to understand that going to these once a year is fine but doing gambling everyday means you will get addicted. Once that happens, it is difficult to turn back.

There is nothing wrong with the idea of playing gambling in times of depression as long as you'll be much smarter and only pick battles where you have the strength, knowledge and your chances in winning is somehow decent. In that case, if I were in that position, I'd pick sports betting rather than luck based games where the money is fast because that is where your money losses fast too.
But that's if you can't think of any other idea to get rid of the situation you're into, gambling might be the easiest way but it is also the riskiest way to get money and there is only few people who succeeded.

I'm thinking depression is a very deep phycological and emotional challenge that one will have the time and feeling to gamble. I hardly think someone in depression can instantly pick himself up and be totally in the right frame of mind to make choices and this time to gamble his way. It is a difficult and challenging time and I think it will be difficult to do all the gambling choices.

I don't really believe in the theory of psychology with gambling and so on. Gambling is someone's need, you don't need a psychologist for that. Things you like can make you addicted. If you've been to a psychologist, that need really doesn't go away. Then you should go to an addiction clinic sooner. And if you're not addicted to gambling then you don't need a psychologist at all, right? Or am I missing something? Gambling naturally has psychological elements, but I don't think that is what is meant here.

The psychology of gambling turns out to be a process. One thing I see big with the gamblers is the positivity with them. This is a big thing and can't be seen much with the common people. Gambling gives gamblers overjoy, but how far this proceeds is connected decide whether a person is addicted to gambling or just make statement of getting addicted.

and remember the emotion of the gamblers towards their games depend on what they expect or where they get their money to play with. if you took a loan just to gamble, do you think you will really enjoy the game considering that it is someone else's money at stake? for sure, you're adrenaline is pumping while betting because you need to pay what you owe afterwards.

This is an interesting take- I never saw it in this light where gambling was embedded in the culture of the Chinese. I guess that is one of the reasons on why they are considered the powerhouse of gambling, like when you see casinos, absolutely and definitely you would see a bunch of Chinese people betting high amounts of cash simultaneously.

In reality, Chinese people are very business-minded people. They would take advantage of any situation that can potentially yield them large amounts of income in the simplest and quickest way possible. In the casino in our country, Chinese people roam the floors of each casino as they are acting as a loan shark for most gamblers.

I find this thread as a thread of merging several topics about gambling and it's a good one. For the first one, there's the relation and sort of feng shui to it and that's why they want to test their luck. Yeah, what a way to test your luck and it's part of their culture so there's no question to that whether they're in for entertainment or for money.

I think with these researches, they're on point and we as gamblers will really have something to say and reason out for the decisions that we're about to do. Whatever is our purpose, there's something of its cause that we want to achieve and if it's not achieved by us, we tend to say another reason which is also valid upon explanation just to hide the actual reason out of our frustration.

I think sometime even we believe that we are very smart - we fail and we fail terribly.
There we learn the hard way that life is not as we plan and there is surly super power which is running the world.

The feeling when they are playing either they are winning the game or losing is the thing they are actually looking for. There's a different feeling when you play gambling you will experience joy that maybe you cannot experience in other leisure activities, that's why they are having a trouble time removing gambling in their system. Their brain actually receives that happy hormones, and if we fight we our brain for us to stop playing it is very hard to do.

throw away your mind will make big profits from gambling the money you borrow from the bank or other people because on average those who do that only end up losing. it will not change anything (the result of your gambling game if you use the borrowed money to gamble), you will even feel burdened with big losses waiting for you at the end of your game if you don't win at all (run out of capital).

I don't think we should consider playing gambling when the money we are using is just a loaned/borrowed money because the probability that you will lose and not gonna pay on time at the same time is really really high. I think before we gamble we should have to set our mindset and have a discipline to control and follow what is on our mindset. Like putting a limit to how much money you have to gamble or what limit winning before you consider it a day and stop to continue your game in another day.

But anyway, I wonder if Chinese people would consider this thing like taking a loan if they don't have a money so that they could just gamble to follow what's part of their culture or maybe it just depends on everyone's choices.

Will the Chinese do anything including borrowing money just to gamble as an activity of their cultural tradition? Obviously not, this is a stereotype, Chinese people are no different from other people in general, gambling is a personal matter.

You must be able to distinguish between personal gambling and gambling from a Chinese cultural perspective. In short, gambling in Chinese culture is a game of dexterity based on betting, while the common gambling is to try luck to get big money.

A lot of Chinese would probably take the loan but not gamble it. Only a handful of those people are taking loans to actually gamble and destroy their life. I fully agree that this is more of a personal matter than a cultural thing. While the Chinese are known to gamble a lot based on their history and culture, a lot of them would still think differently and avoid this path as much as possible.

I guess that gambling addiction has a lot to do with winning perspective. People who play passionately and experience high dopamine spikes are more prone to get addicted to gambling. I know a few chinese citizens but I have never talked to them about betting, so I can't tell if this is something cultural in the whole China, but I guess that when people bet just to have a good time, or for cultural reasons, addiction is less common.

Except Chinese people are a believer in Feng Shui and think that gambling is affected by how they arrange things around them which is not common to non-Chinese gamblers.


So what is the difference between dexterity-based gambling and common gambling?  This is the first time I heard of dexterity gambling and I might need to look at it on the internet.

There's nothing wrong if you do gamble even if you do it on constant basis as long you do make yourself that responsible and fully aware on things that might happen if you do lost control of your finances.

Doesnt matter on what race do you have because it would really be on the same situation as long you do have a good control or not then you would definitely experiencing basing on what you have done.

The most important thing is to make yourself have in good control towards  it because if not then you do know on where you do end.

I highly agree.  The result will be the same regardless what is our races.  If we failed to control ourselves, we will end up having a complusive gambling disorder.  Thus, we need to have control, have our gambling activities in moderation.  Plan our gambling activities ahead and stick to it.

Most of the Chinese people I know, several times make loans just to bet, because gambling is their tradition, it automatically affects their mindset so they will do whatever it takes to keep betting or gambling

In fact, I would be very surprised if there were genuine Chinese people who never made loans to gamble (even in small amounts) Lol

It is true Chinese people are well connected with their traditional activities. This is the reason why gambling got more importance during the early stages. Gambling in the early days were used as a means of entertainment, but in the later days the change happened. Surely there'll be some Chinese people who doesn't gamble, and if you go through different games they play in their regions it'll be very different and interesting.

Different cultures different mindsets - chinese are very different people they have no mercy for the other people - they go with their mind.
But what happens when the loan is lost and you are in double debt - I am just going through the same situation of losing the loan amount and I am having sleepless nights how I am going to pay off the debt. Strong people who manages the finances this way.

If you really think about it a lot of gambling games originated in China, especially the well-known Mahjong where it has been played a long time ago. Gambling for me is part of their essential activities which is why Chinese people are well-known when it comes to money, casinos, and businesses. Gambling is a means of entertainment for them a long time ago up until today and I don't really see much changed about that other than more options and games have been made. Also, there's a possibility of some of them are not gambling at all and staying away from but most of them does which is also why is has been limited by their government.

What happens is that a lot of people regardless of how much money they earn live paycheck to paycheck, they indebt themselves for stuff they do not even need and they end up wasting a great deal of their money, so when they are hit with adversity they have no way to deal with it and they fall in desperate times.

However this can be easily avoided, if a person saved 20% of their paycheck each month in just 15 months they would have saved the equivalent of 3 months of their salary, which is more than enough to overcome some of the most common negative scenarios that a person will face during their life.

That's true and it's a fact.
Regardless of where he lived when he had a lineage from China, this is still very closely related to the culture they follow and this is actually quite good because indeed they are one of the things that must be followed when talking about country and culture which is today for some people. like this is not really needed.

Gambling there has existed for a long time but there are still some rules that can indeed be said to be inherited from their ancestors which they often do in gambling until now such as doing something ritual first or indeed following their Feng Shui flow so that they can be in harmony and get profits in gambling (according to their beliefs).

Gambling is very popular in China and India.
They have that in their culture and they are legally allowed to it. Unlike other islamic countries in South Asian region like Pakistan, Bangladesh

Well when I read the title of the thread, the first thing that came to mind was in sociology, which meant doing public relations, and the psychological part was the part as such, but there are many versions, according to what I spoke with a psychologist, tells me that there is no psychology of trading, that there is no psychology of Gambling, but only psychology exists and that is what sets the tone for anything, just as there is no psychology of sport, our entire psyche is the that tells us what we should do, that many times our subconscious is the one who gives the orders and it is executed almost in the long term, I think this is a topic that can be extended a lot.

When we do talk about involvement of things or trying out to preserve then it would be considered to be part of culture but speaking
about gambling prohibition with Islam then it is really connected to religious aspect which we know that there's still some religions who acts the same as well.
https://www.luwaran.com/news/article/882/gambling-is-haram--prohibited-
https://www.learnreligions.com/what-does-the-quran-say-about-gambling-2004114

in fact there is no single religion that requires its adherents to gamble but many cultures in some countries allow gambling because it is not part of a crime

religion requires us not to be greedy and make other people lose, so gambling is not allowed according to religion because it can make people greedy and greed is the root of evil

It is new to me that some players are engaged in gambling activity because their culture requiring them to test their luck.  But I am curious as to why the government of China ban gambling when it is inculcated in their history and culture that gambling is part of its citizen's "daily" lives.


Everything can make a person greedy.  Job can make a person greedy, so is job not allowed in a religion?  Food can make a person glutton, so is food not allowed in a religion?  Anyway I am just stating a fact that not all the religion elders interpretation are correct.  It should be verified with what is written in the scripture.  Besides the possibility that a religious leaders has incorrect knowledge had been proven by history.  One of which is about the sun rotating around the earth which they aggressively pursue those who has different view about it.

Apart from religious issues in this case for greed, indeed all humans have this because it is a natural thing that they have.
Everyone has emotions and it is clear that greed is something that is unavoidable considering that we as humans are dissatisfied with anything and always think of getting more.
Religion is too sacred in this regard so I won't go into anything related to gambling.

This is definitely true. Gambling is not allowed in some religious beliefs because it promotes greediness which is against biblical teaching. But we can't blame some believers who gamble because they still have their hope in gambling. They see it as a way to reach success and have a wealthy life.

as we all know, there are so many things China is banning to its people. not only gambling but even some normal way of life like the use of FB or twitter. so there's no surprise if they will ban gambling activities. but yes, they are just giving some of its people to gamble underground as a lot of them for sure are also gambling behind locked doors.

Strong? It's rather a thing of being responsible. Would you call strong someone who made their family fall into debt, but did not give up? Maybe there was some strength involved but the dominant problem was childish, irresponsible behavior of a gambler who gambles with a loan he cannot repay.
I really hope those sleepless nights will teach you something.

What you are saying is correct, however those which believe in whatever is written on their holy book as correct will most likely disregard your argument, for those people there is no room for argument, if it is written then it must be correct and that is it, which explains why there are so many people that even today believe that the sun is the one that moves around the earth or believe that the earth itself is flat and not round as all the research indicates.

it is true that gambling is like betting on luck how much luck we have on that day.
but in gambling for me luck has a very small chance to get it. so there are still many people out there who consider gambling just for entertainment or to fill their spare time. but that's all actually to cover up being disappointed when you always lose at gambling and actually hoping to win to get more money.
no one wants to lose constantly spending money and losing at gambling, unless the person is very rich.

An excuse that's the right term to continue playing, if you lose then you convince yourself that luck is not with you and you are accepting your defeat since you are using an amount that you are willing to let go, but eventually your desire in winning will increase and your appetite for gambling will exceed to your allotted budget and after that you will find yourself getting engaged too much to the point that you are already addicted.

We can't measure or we can't conclude anything as it's an opinion base any inputs have value to how a person thinks about the situation.

Each of us can believe whatever we want, but I believe that we should not have a certain point of view imposed on us, as is done in religion. Besides, even religious people very often violate some religious prohibitions and try not to talk about it. Religion is designed to control humanity and if you understand this you are most likely an atheist.

If it's part of the tradition then why not? Indeed, in different cultures there are different types of "offerings to the gods" which in modern conditions have turned into something like charity. When you donate to charity or spend on traditional entertainment (like New Year's Eve), you don't expect to make a profit, do you? If the symbolic spending on the "test of luck" is perceived as such and this is an element of culture, then there is nothing special about it.

I don't want to judge certain people on what they believe or about their culture as much as I don't want people to judge me on our beliefs, if the Chinese culture encourages gambling to its believer it is for a certain period of time and not to be part of their life, I also a believer of some Chinese culture and had Chinese friends and they are not into gambling but they once explain to me that some beliefs on their practices are for some period of time, and this could be one of them.

I don't want to be too focused on some religious settings that prohibit gambling because they feel it makes people greedy and doesn't want to lose. On the other hand, don't you think Arabians spend money on sports and signed new players than some other parts of the continent, they pay more to have these credible players and if you ask me, I will say they are taking too much risk to win leagues because of the money attached to the trophies, isn't that greedy and definitely, others will lose too considering the amount other teams and effort they do invest in those leagues.

Gambling should be fun and as the OP says, the primary objective is the money for the majority but it shouldn't turn to an addicted thing.

No, it's not like that. it is just they just want us to have our self awareness because sometimes we tend to deny that we are not falling into addiction but in reality the greediness inside is slowly eating us, it is not bad to play or it is not bad to gamble we just need to discipline ourselves. In regards with Arabians, maybe because they are very entertained playing gambling? they are not greedy but they are just having fun, we all know that most arab people are businessman and rich.

Rather foolish I guess, we have sometimes done some things that we thought are really good for ourselves and others, but in reality, it becomes something bad and not praise-worthy and we begin to realize it as soon as we clearly see things when the actual problem occurs. When this happens, the strong person is he who will gonna make it right no matter how much embarrassment he could get just to change himself for good. Not many people can do this stuff and most of them are just strong to face the reality and begin to change themselves to be praise-worthy people.

It is true. We shouldn't judge certain people based on culture because it's clear that each of us has a different culture and surely we will feel weird seeing their culture. Gambling has been around for a long time and is everywhere, not just the Chinese. So when we see Chinese culture to test luck, it may relate to something else we won't know. But I don't think it will be circulated widely if many Chinese people think gambling can lead to poverty, especially for young people who can filter out the bad and choose the good.

Same in my country, gambling has a negative stigma to it and people never really talk about it in the open. And yet in every bigger city there are physical casinos, sports betting places and at every cigarette shop you can buy scratch cards. From my friends I know that they all also like to gamble from time to time, even it's just playing lottery. The motivation behind this kind of occasional gambling is winning the jackpot, it's not about making 5 bucks and feel like you have luck. It's rather losing a small amount of money to have a chance of winning big and also the opportunity to dream about making such kind of money. It's fun to talk among friends what to do with the 50m jackpot. But it's not really testing how lucky you are. This is very different to people who gamble regularly every week in casinos and invest a lot of money with it. For them it's still about making money but it can't be the only motivation. Investing so much money and time it became a form of entertainment and a way to relax after a stressful day,  similar to drinking some beers in a bar after work.

Gambling companies are telling people that gambling is for entertainment purposes. Yet most people entered into gambling thinking they can get rich or at least take sums of money. I bet regularly of course with intentions of winning but the primary purpose is to be entertained. I enjoyed watching my favorite sports games when having bets regardless of the amount.   

Gambling traditions do exist and I respect that. But if that certain tradition is wrecking people's lives then authorities need to take action to protect its people. I also heard that Chinese people are keen on finding luck as part of their beliefs but they are also well-disciplined people. And China is one of the biggest volume in the betting industry in the world.

when discussing the economic potential that can be obtained from gambling, then you are absolutely right that we should not see gambling as a bad thing

although on average there are more people who lose and suffer because of gambling, but many also live their lives depending on gambling and the gambling business, even the taxes that the state can generate are very large, so we must be able to see gambling from various sides (not just one side)

there's nothing wrong with trying to gamble if it's a tradition, but if you go home empty handed it's not entertainment, but bad luck is not luck
Gambling for tradition I think is natural, because it has been around for a long time,
but if gambling for new greed we must avoid it

Frugality i think is what most Chinese people seeing it as top priority. The fact that they are very concern with how they can save up for future usage, then its not practical to borrow money just to gamble because its part of the tradition. Although they gamble in some occasions, but most Chinese people do not focus on gambling as there are other productive works to do that they can gain more profits like taking investments. In fact, there are places in China where gambling is prohibited or banned.

which makes religion forbid because in terms of loss it starts to be brutal, and loses everything. why religion forbids this partly because it is mentally healthy so as not to be carried away by the destructive currents of life, when we are out of control because the lust we are chasing makes something less good as it happens. the religion of the book is true to straighten out what is essentially too much is not good. if we can control and not damage the mental, life is brutal. maybe religion doesn't forbid

Gambling activity isnt really a test whether its for you or not because it is typically for everybody it is really just people do really end up on messing up their lives because of the decision that they had made.

If you are a person whose really that impulsive and too emotional then gambling isnt really for you and most likely you would really be making bad decisions towards it or on the time you do make out engagement.

It all matters with the control and awareness of your actions.If you do seek for leisure then gambling wont be a bad choice as long you do know your limits in terms of finances
then you are really just doing fine with it.

Yes they are making excuses because if they are sincere of only playing only to get entertained, there is no need for them to play again or deposit again the second time once they have lost their first deposit. Playing gambling to have fun doesn't always be expensive but a small amount will be enough because you can still budget it and only use tiny amounts per spin/bet. You can even play without betting at all.

It is sad but many gamblers are like that, they keep on coming back to the casino in the hopes that they can win this time. I am not exempted to this but I stop because I feel annoyed. My losses are already big compared to my target win which is only small.

Good for you if you can still manage to quit instead of pushing back and make additional deposit when you already lose your initial deposit, there are people who got excited and misinterpret the enjoyment, instead of moving away they add more to their bankroll and losses more or exceeded from the original target amount that they are willing to spend and lose in each gambling sessions that they deal with.

A kind of mismanagement that mostly leads also to addiction or heavy gamings. You need to be strict with your set targets both for winnings and losing amount, then stop when it's already been reached.

Your topic is very exciting my point of view ia Gambling impact directly your Psychological Health as once you win you continue to gamble and thats very dengrous for those who are connected qith you as got addicted and sometimes your Lose you cant handle it. On the side society its too bad as no new Survice is generating already exiting money is circulating between people by no efforts.

In gambling, you can have the skills but it also requires luck, if it doesn't favour you that day, you may go home empty handed and may still look as entertainment to those who only do it for fun and not as a means to make money.
If gambling is a tradition, I believe that cultural perspective must have taken it to be entertainment and not necessary must win, even from what Op says, you are required to test it to get rid of bad luck and if the outcome doesn't favour you, that doesn't mean you will fail in life. Sometimes, only what you believe can affect you, these may just be superstitious to some people.

When all forms are carried out that require emotions there will clearly have an impact on people's psychology, especially in this case gambling, the impact is clear because here it definitely gives emotion in the game.
Regardless of whether it is bad or not in society, actually things like this are a choice because indeed things like gambling like this are a choice and when we enter there we must also be prepared to accept the consequences.

Firstly, who even made it necessary to gamble with cash? One can play gamble with almost anything of a worthy possession and that's one of the bad sides. But who doesn't want to win? The adrenaline pumps us up at the moment, the dopamine makes us happy and thus, we want to try again.
Gamblers need to know what is worth losing and what is not. Find a strong reason to control the urge to stake what you can't afford to lose despite the tempting price/reward you stand to earn.

These days people normally are not doing what their culture "requires" from them. For example, Scottish people do not wear a kilt everyday. In fact, many people don't even follow the religion of their their ancestors, don't speak their native language and so on.

So, no way something like "my culture requires me to gamble" can be an excuse for someone's gambling addiction. But if you are just having fun with gambling, "trying your luck", or whatever, and you have no problems with stopping at any moment, then you can say, just for the fun of it, "It's in my culture". I see nothing wrong with this attitude.

I didn't know that this kind of thing is part of their culture most of the time it is just to seek entertainment and earning to the who play I guess this kind of thing is part of the beliefs of the people and we know that in the different culture there's a belief regarding with the luck so I guess it is good to test it out to them if this kind of enchant or beliefs is suitable to them or effective.

Maybe gambling looks bad in society, but maybe not for everyone, especially those who often gamble. Those who say that gambling is not bad may still be able to control themselves so that they do not get too big of a consequence or risk from gambling. Meanwhile, we have also seen many people who have fallen from gambling and lost many things in their lives, especially their loved ones. But most people will not see or accept the consequences of gambling, especially if they suffer a loss from gambling. They will instead continue to play in the hope of recovering their losses.

We share the same sentiments. Trying to try out your luck through gambling isn't really gonna work out fine everytime. The odds wouldn't be a hundred percent on your favor every single time you make a bet. There are probability in certain game that you would win or lose. Depending on your strategy, the rtp, and luck will be the basis of you either winning or losing. Not just entirely luck unless of course you are playing slots or roulette. But this game has also a greater chancr of winning inclined with the house, so, still, it's already altered. We're still talking about probability.

Gambling just to test your odds and degree of luckiness sounds absurd to me. Because if ever you belong to the poverty line, how would you even afford to do it without breaking your budget? For me, the necessities should be prioritized over a tradition if ever I were be in a culture that would require such, I will do my own ways.

Yes, gambling and trying to play it has some kind of magic, and at this moment you begin to overestimate your expectations of winning, which can later play a cruel joke in an attempt to try your luck and you have to make efforts to give it up. But in the end you realize that you made the right choice in favor of giving up than continuing and you find some inner balance.

it's tricky
a bit like alcohol
it can be a good source of escapism and entertainment but it can also destroy families and make people dependent, agressive and disconnected from themselves.

some say the difference between the vaccine and the poison is the dose.

Necessities should be prioritized against anything else. Before you go to satisfy your lust, make sure that you have already settled. All you need budgeting your money to balance whatever you think that you wanted to do with your life is always the priority. Unless you already suffering from gambling addiction, this kind of settlement is already hard to fix.

Especially if you are in the side or inline with poverty, the desire is to double your money each time possibilities can be done

but most of the time, instead of making a good win, it will go to the other side and you'll see yourself losing a lot.

when on the side of the road with poverty and become addicted to gambling, this will be an opportunity to continue playing without any control. everything will be at stake until there is nothing left, because they are sure to get a win. but in fact defeat dominates. no more rules for budgeting money because it's too addicted. and this can only be stopped by rehabilitation or there must also be a will from oneself. Psychologically this will disturb the mental and continue to be eager to play and sociologically it will disrupt social harmony so that no one cares and is reluctant to help gamblers from their addiction, usually people with a gambling addict background will be more aggressive or irritable and tend to commit acts of violence. criminals to earn money to gamble.

I personally dislike winner mentality in our global culture. I mean winning is surely awesome thing, everyone wants to be successful at anything including gambling. Although, is defeat killer thing? I personally like gambler mentality a bit because of it. It reminds me Rocky Balbao quote: "It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!"
I feel like this mentality can work even in gambling if you know what you are doing. But I can agree with your "addiction" argument as well. My Rocky Balboa quote works in games where skill is more important than luck.

All will be concluded in how you can balance yourself in terms of both financial and mental position. Yeah, it's true that the statement can be adopted from gambling as long as you know your limitation and you are not going to exceed, you can stop and pause for a while if you are being hit by bad losing streak, try to chill and relax then come back with a much clearer mindset to try giving your best with any sports or gambling games that you love the most.

Though the argument with getting addicted is really something that we can't control, as there are people who really fall into this problem,

best to stay with the plan that you set up and never to lose track of your gambling engagements.

I don't think so, regardless of whether you're a gambler or not, I think the stigma of gambling is something that isn't good. It's natural because that's the fact and that stigma can't be reversed because it will stay the same and I think everyone is aware that gambling is an act. which is not very good.
Why do we still gamble maybe there are several options that are the reason, such as there are people who still depend on their lives here (even though it's wrong) and there are also those who only think this is a game and just to have fun in their spare time.

The Chinese have a lot of cultures and believe that their citizens hold high esteem and if they gamble just to test they luck that shows to a great extent how luck has a high stake in gambling. But then skills are most important even though the article place skills as a shadow belief which I may not agree with that assumption.

Not effective most of the time since there are things in life which you would really be needing to be that wise on stopping or making yourself that aware on how things been happening.If you do apply this kind of

saying or principle on gambling then would really be ending up on wrecking yourself not only with finances but also in other important aspect in life since you've been pushing yourself into something which cant really

be that easily achievable and you would really be creating that kind of desperation if you do apply this kind of mindset.Winning is all we do have in mind but there are certain key areas which it isnt
really that a good idea on pushing it through.

Lets just respect on what they do believe even though it is some sort that too restrictive or much that of a prohibition but its their religion or culture and lets just respect on what they do believe.

As long they wouldnt really be putting any harm into other people then it should be fine.It is really just there are people who are really that too highly reactive whenever they do see things which are
really that uncommon.
Gambling is for entertainment nothing less but there are negative things which would really be created something out of it specially if emotions would take up some play.

I think if gambling is treated as a tradition of testing luck, then it should not have any negative impact on anyone. I know that there are other traditions (although they are not common in my country) - fortune cookies. I doubt that anyone seriously believes in such predictions and gets upset if they did not receive a cookie with the "right" prediction. This is nothing more than entertainment. Or, for example, there are other traditions (which are somehow common in my country) - these are Christmas fortune-telling. A lot of people do this but I haven't heard anyone take it seriously. It's just a holiday ritual.