Bitcoin Forum

I view this forum as an International University (Bitcointalk).  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5398214.0) Whereby Brand-newbies in  the forum just got admission into the university. They are observing the environment, asking questions on offline (their guiders), they read sign post (threads) at all corner (all board) to avoid un-necessary punishments and attacks in the campus (forum). Yet they still have problem in the forum.
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Newbies, they are in year 1 and have started taking lectures from their first post. That is they have started writing. They ask questions.
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 Jr. Members, they are in year 2 and continue taking lectures from the classroom (bitcointalk forum).
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Members Rank, they are in year 3. Learning becomes very serious at this level because they have gotten small experience. They are focus.
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Full Members, they are in 400 level. Learning continues with more seriousness.
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Sr. Members, they are in 500 level (final year) in social sciences. And bitcointalk can be classified as a social science, because bitcointalk uses scientific tools to analyse the individual uses of bitcoin, therefore, as a Sr. Member, they write projects and making comments. This is where unserious students are WAF (Weak Academic Failure). WAF means in this forum ban, Although, WAF can be used at all level. If anyone misbehave.
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Hero Members, they are the graduating (convocation) students. They are very happy because they must be employed in the labour market. They make comments, correct, counsel, and guide users
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Legendary Members, they are the Alumni/Lecturers/Profs. As the name implies. you already know who they are. In the structure of bitcointalk, they are the highest body in the forum as for now. They educate, and answer questions with ease. Because they passed through all the stages mentioned above. Their functions in the forum are numerous.
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Year 1 and 2 should read and learn from their senior colleagues

This should be on Meta, why beginners and help?

You included professor, but how about PHD and Masters? I mean in the ranking arrangement.

Did you know that learning on this forum can be different? That is why you will see senior member posting good than even some hero and legendary.

Did you know that a legendary or users of higher rank can create alt account? Using it in a way people will even know that it is an alt.

But I do not think this post is worth it at all as it adds no usefulness. Sorry for saying that.

Interesting perspective :P.

Although, the above isn't necessarily true. There's plenty of examples of newer users being more knowledgeable than their seniors. That's almost true in every walk of life. Length of time, doesn't equal knowledge. It does, have a correlation, but it definitely isn't something to follow completely. There's plenty of users here that are probably classed as senior by most users, yet routinely get things wrong.

Throw me into a technical discussion about Bitcoin's intrinsics, and you'll find many younger users more knowledgable in areas than myself. We all have different strengths, and weaknesses, and knowledge about Bitcoin is no different. Some will excel, and some won't.

I did think this before but people could go to university and be well versed in their subject before they start (there's no quick jump to masters course if people want academic accolades and universities can act as an easy way to gain contacts with people in their field).

Your view may be true but the first year or let's say newbie year is not just what you expected because not all newbies are laterally newbies some newbies here in the forum are more knowledgeable than senior members here.  Or what  _act_ says that there's a chance that a Legendary or even hero member ranks can create alt account so we can not say that all newbies we encountered is laterally new in crypto.

Despite the workmanship of your post and the beauty of the images, I don't quite believe the analogy. For example, for me the difference between Hero and Legendary is... practically none. I don't see the Social Sciences of Mr. members either, because if they have a lot of technical knowledge as n0nce they would be studying computer sciences.

I think you are in an academic environment and this post is a projection of what you usually see.

Just as we view the world differently and based on our experiences so it is with the forum. I do not view the forum as an educational institution but rather as a parliamentary system. Don't ask me explain ;D The beauty about the forum is that even a so-called "brand-new" member without a background in computer science or IT can reach the rank of a Hero member if the individual is consistent in learning, improving and sharing valuable knowledge with members of the forum.

Anyone who joined an SMF forum for the first time probably felt the same way. Higher rankings would appear to be far more superior than others to someone who has no knowledge of how the forum works, what bitcoin actually is, or what not.

But given that you'll never know who the heck is behind that account, it should only be treated with a grain of salt. Besides, there are forums without a merit system where you can grow your account through spamming just like old era bitcointalk members.

I don't know, but is this topic to beg for merits or are people taking the forum seriously?
When I joined the forum, I didn't know about the signature campaigns until several months later, and the discovery of the forum was not that serious as there are no restrictions as some beginners try to do or a school has to do this to get a prize.
It's a discussion forum, and there are about 20 simple rules. Try to read them and stick to them and you'll find that all is well.

In terms of discussions: there is no difference between have a newbie account and a legendary, they all have the most advantages, so try to learn.

See although you intend to create something good and I appreciate that but this section is for some good topics to help newbies and we all know that as we learn we advance on the forum and bitcointalk is best place to have knowledge about it and free discussion forum where you have no learning boundaries and can have the latest knowledge if you intend to do so.

There was recently a similar illustration thread on Meta section with different reactions but I think this is not necessary and should be categorised in fun manner where you can share such illustration.

As we see some newbies are just new to the forum but have way more knowledge then any legendary on the forum as you can't make judgements from the rank but yes merits is representative of your knowledge here.You can see some legendary members with zero earned merits and some newbies with more merits so we can say there is difference in this approach.

But try to make more educational and helpful threads for members sharing knowledge with them and keep it simple.

I just have to smile at the images on your content, the headline is eye-catching but the storyline doesn't blend and align with Bitcointalk as you have written. It is just a regular forum like every other and dedicated purposely for Bitcoin discussion, Altcoins and also other discussions related to cryptocurrency.
A newbie account doesn't mean the person behind is a novice, it could be a legendary member Alt account, J.Member doesn't have to read continuously to rank up, a single post can get merits and with a few activity can promote him to the next rank and also for the remaining ranks like Sr.Member and Hero Member. The legendary account can also get sold to a new person that is new to the forum and so on. There are many uncertain things that can happen anonymously and remain hidden from the public except when they observe some changes like password and Email and changes in writing.

NB: 500Level is not a default level system for all university, Nigerian Federal University of technology mostly adopt 5 years course but this is not the same for other universities and colleges.

Nice view you’ve got. But your views are flat out wrong as this is not like an international university and there are no lecturers or professors. Your college classification with colorful pictures of smiling studious students are wrong cause a profile having a legendary tag doesn’t make the user all smart and all knowing. A newbie can also be as knowledgeable as any legendary member.

What about those Legendary members who never got single merit, and who reached their rank by classic shitposting before there was a merit system? Rank has never been nor will it be a relevant measure of how important someone is on the forum, regardless of the fact that many beginners (but also you who are a little more experienced) look at these things from a different perspective.

If we are going to go into technical details, there are higher bodies than Legendary in the sense that we have admins, global moderators, moderators, and other staff.

Forum is mixture for brand new, newbies to Hero and Legendary members. There is no difference between brand new and newbie members. Only one post and one activity point are not enough to make difference between them.

Junior member is not much different too but from Member (with 10 merit required), difference will become clearer. From Full member and Senior member, difference increases bigger. Sometimes not much difference between Senior Member and Hero member. I only think difference is clear between Senior Member and Legendary member.

If this topic receives a lot of merit, we will see more members create same ones in future.

I thought about that, too, as this isn't the first similar thread the OP has created.

Let it be so. If the OP presents the forum this way, it's normal, but unfortunately, not all newcomers come here to learn, as you put it, to study cryptocurrencies correctly.

Some members of the forum see him as a "money cow" that can be milked.

What about farmer accounts, cheaters, and people who come to the forum with not entirely pure intentions?

Unfortunately, your vision of the forum is somewhat utopian, but it is not. Here, in addition to the picture you beautifully described, there is deceit and greed, for which in your real academy, people would simply be kicked out, which is not happening here.

This indeed, is a good perspective or should I say, comparism of Bitcointalk forum to an educational institution.
But I must say that your analogy based on ranks is wrong, like Welsh said, newbies, and some others that are in junior levels aren't necessarily learning from those with higher ranks, I've seen several members in junior level make really educative posts, and even sometimes, correct tht seniors ones when they make a mistake or assume something wrongly.
So to simply put it, ranks on the forum does not represent how much a member knows, ranks are just there as a means of motivating users to keep learning.

I read a thread about professional newbies. In your fantasy university there's no place for newbies with legendary knowledge. How about newbies with very high knowledge and activity but lack merits to rank up, where will you place them?

On a normal view, your idea of the forum is not bad but in practice it's far from what you have just said. In your real university, someone in level 100 doesn't pay to reach level 500. But here in bitcointalk, a newbie could get a legendary account. So most of the things doesn't have coloration.

This post is just like the typical analogy of what the ranks mean like the school environment used as the analysis because I understand and believe that op also know it that it doesn't really represent the reality in the forum. Sure as we know there are alt accounts as newbie, Jr member, member etc, are they still in the class of the analogy? No they are not because they have the requisite above that level you see them.

I think before now ranks were basically and by implication showing duration in the forum but as time went , the merit system has changed the dynamics of ranks. You can now place duration of an account only by activities and not experience, knowledge or ranks.

Just like that? Is this the way you accused people, or the topic or the content is confusing? Mate I believe you became a legendary member based on your hardworking and you deserved (merited) to be. You did not jump or buy your legendary membership level. And I also believe that you passed through all the stage mentioned by the OP. That is you have small knowledge at least for all the stages even. Let me give you an illustration for more understanding. If a student graduate from a university with a first class honored degree and a year one student asked him a question from his field, and the graduate said he doesn't know, what do you think the junior student will feel? Although they are some junior students that are doing second degree in the same University with different course. Therefore, they might have knowledge more than the graduate.

Lastly: I believe you are a graduate of University. Not really sure, but probability formula is used.  When you were in school. Lecturers did not make you laugh in any day? And also be serious about his Teaching as well? Why the accusation of merit begging? A good teacher makes his students to laugh, tell them fictional stories at some times to make the class lively and also to remove boring from the students. Any how a teacher is knowledgeable, there are time his class are bore, so good teacher would detect very fast and give them story to mup up. The OP analogy might not be true because he or she was not around when the merit system has not been introduced, so he didn't know what was happening by then but the thread might also be correct from the structural analysis.

The thread is even based on the structural analysis. Not on Personality. Personally I know that they are some legendary newbies in the forum. I have been making comments on that issue time without number, there are some threads a newbie would create that is very good. I am not begging for merit please.

No need for the long epistle writings Mate. Take the positive criticisms and not the negative ones. Peace out!

That's what I also said that there are many legendary member who have not earned single merit after the merit system introduction back in 2018 by @theymos as they were ranking up based on only activity writing the shitposts but after that many left the forum while others who have joined some campaigns back are still spamming up the forum.So they are legendary by rank only and don't have any knowledge about bitcoin stuff.

While some newbies have managed to earn good number of merits in small span of time contributing well to the forum and have adequate knowledge about market whether technical or non technical so how do the @OP classify them under the mentioned perspective? So for me if you have zeal to learn and exchange knowledge on the forum you can have perpetual growth and these reactions won't matter a lot.

If we are going to go into technical details, there are higher bodies than Legendary in the sense that we have admins, global moderators, moderators, and other staff.
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I think you got irritated with what was said and went on to give a short essay explaining your original post and how it shouldn’t be viewed as a merit begging post.
One would think you wouldn’t have the urge to explain yourself if it really isn’t a merit fishing post. But what do I know? I’m just a freshman in “our college”

I don't consider the Brand new account branding first a rank. Given that anyone could attain that and quickly move past that to being a newbie and as such, it doesn't count.

About the thread, well there might be a lot of things that we might not agree with in respect to the content and OP's views on the ranks and categorisations, at least, its the OP's views and he's not entirely wrong but, the truth to the later is, its not the same for every user of the forum. Given that,

We've got newbie as alt accounts,
We got ranked users as bought accounts (some might previously be members of full members that jumps to buy higher ranks)
Some might just have been affiliated with other crypto sites far before they joined up on the forum.

Of course these people don't fit in on his categorisation and I think it's the same for the actual university for which OP writs this analogy.
There are categories not considered or recognised in the school systems but they still exists.

The only course for wonder is, for what purpose might this be!

Some things were not achieved by ranks and position, it has to be base on real live experience, what you know may be nothing to write about when compared to other people's experience, some newbie were truly newbie only to the forum rank but experienced users in the reality world, then also let me say this that we have some individuals differences in level of assimilation when it comes to learning, sone newbie can be quick and fast as possible in learning a new thing and within a little time they can grow fast and adapt to the level of an experienced user.

I respect your view, OP since you mentioned anyway that that is how you see this forum, a university. I just hope that your view won't establish a superiority complex based on rank to every users in here. Some newbies/lower forum ranks in a thread that I had participated in were far more experienced than me at some niche in crypto, and I respect that they have more experience than me since that is their niche anyway.

I don't really get what op is trying to portray but I think staying here on Bitcointalk for a long time does not make you look like you have pass through the necessary level in education even though the person is a legendary. Learning is a choice and I know that there are many persons that had been here for long probably for signature campaign benefits but still don't know much about this forum or Bitcoin. This is not a school nor a place to learn the major things about the Bitcoin  and it network. The forum is majorly for the discussion of Bitcoin not a learning specific site.

In addition to all you've said, OP should also know that not every new registered member is a true newbie. There are some who have been here a long time with vast knowledge of how the system works and decided to get an alt to test the ranking up hurdles or for any other reason. It's the same way some graduates enrol in other institutions or courses to switch it go higher. You can't compare their knowledge level with those of fresh students in the same field.

Really? You truly think so? Well, I see here as a school. In fact, a tertiary institution. You may say it's not a formal kind of school but it's definitely a school. Haven't you heard of online schools? For me, virtually everything I've come to learn about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency is from here. I believe it's the same for most users here too.

OP, I'm not really sure that this forum can be compared to an educational institution and that a higher rank always means more knowledge and experience.
I personally know one owner of a crypto company, who just recently registered on this forum and is still a newbie member, but he has more knowledge and experience in the crypto industry than most legenday members on this forum.
Forum rank only shows the moment someone joined this forum and nothing more, especially for members who joined before the introduction of the merit system.
One's level of crypto knowledge does not depend on seniority on this forum but on one's own learning and investment.

And then from time to time, we get people like n0nce. A youngling in forum rank, but certainly not in knowledge, experience, and logic.
All people have certain qualities and things they are good at, and then there are the things they don't excel in. There are legendary members on this forum capable of solving or finding the best solution to almost any Bitcoin-related problem, but there are also those who have no idea how to do it. But they are still good at other things. So the rank doesn't always matter.   

You sounded like one. Yes I know there are a lot of users that are not interested anything concerning learning and education, and that is not good. I hope there are two cardinal points in this forum.
1. To learn: If you have not known bitcoin before and you registered in this forum, then you have to learn what is bitcoin from knowledgeable users to improve yourself. You don't know bitcoin before and you come here yet you are not learning. Then what is the purpose of joining the Forum? From this your comment...let me reserve my comment
2. Educate: If you have learned or you know it before coming to this forum you have to educate others to know. And all these processes are part of education. So which one are you?

Ahaha!!! Then what are you doing here? I really don't understand your reason of being here. That means you have not learned anything here. Probably you have knowledge on bitcoin but you are not interested to teach others because the forum is not for educating people. As for me I see the forum as an institution because I have learned a lot from it and still learning to teach my students.

Every new commer in the forum always pay respect and much attention to rank. And it is normal so, and that is how it is supposed to be. Until you begin to enter higher ranks and know that there is little or no difference between you and others.
The major difference is purpose and interest to the forum. But then it is nice to understand that almost all the great members of this forum are from Hero to Legendary. So it takes time and experience to be very proficient in the forum.

Let's even forget about ranks here for the fact that someone knows better than you is your senior regardless of age or post, pride is what makes some think they can't kearn even from the junior ones around them, but they have forgotten that learning has no limit, it's a continuous process that can be acquired from any level or source.


Mate there's no boundaries to how far you can go in learning, the forum is quite right mainly for bitcoin discussion and other discussion were just additional services that could also make learning out of the bitcoin which is the main target, being conversant with the forum alone is a learning process though it may be unconscious, aren't we learning from different boards discussion here on the forum? Of course we all do.

Let’s all be practical here we know some people are here not for the rank or what the benefits attached to ranks are, but purely for the knowledge I think we should also entertain that. Although I can’t deny the fact that I enjoy the benefits attached to ranking up but if any one decides that they only want to come in here for the knowledge purposes we should encourage that and also give others that believe too. Many newbies are taught at an early stage or before they come to the house that the house is all about earning.

Same thing in the higher institutions,  not all year 1 students are new to be in year 1, some first year students already have got their first degree in a different field.  It is the same here in the forum, not all newbies are new to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies,  some have already been in a cryptocurrency platform before they discovered bitcointalk forum.

I think  My View on Brand-Newbies to Legendary Members in the Forum  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407074.0) is very much correct from the educational perspective. Because I observed and read through the different comments made by Newbies to the Legendary members,I came to the conclusion from what I have said here is also happened in the real life tertiary education. Yes most people are saying that there are some newbies that in the forum are more knowledgeable than even some legendary, yes I agree with that. That also the same with national universities. Some year one student in real life situation are not year one or newbie in the system. They can even correct lecturer. Yet they are newbies. They obey the system rules.

I have seen the various view points of the thread. now I want to ask a question and I need everyone to answer the question from their point of view. Now because some of the newbies are more knowledgeable than some the legendary member so they will not obey the newbie rules in the forum? As for me a newbie is always a newbie even though the  face behind the account is a legendary, he is still a newbie. Though he might know all the rules in the forum but he would still attend the classes of newbies and also does all newbies activities to rank up. Even though he bought a coper member, he will still obey.

Exactly that's what I mean and in additional a real newbie must do is to learn first because the true weapon is knowledge we can not reach higher ranks if we are one of those spammers and shitposter here in the forum. Maybe some other newbies can not adjust in short period of time but in the end of the day for sure if a user will dedicated and have a goal without further year for sure we can do it and reach what others already achieve.

Yeah that was what I was trying to pinpoint. In fact there are those prideful people that are "snowflake" just because someone was "lower in rank by the system" corrects them by their mistake. There is always something to learn new out there and regardless anyway, someone would always be "senior" or more knowledgeable than you.

Although we shouldn't take this too personal because with time everyone of us will also finds our self in their shoes as well, now what will be our own reaction when the turn comes on us, I don't really know if what was meant by the adage that "power tussles" is a correct interpretation to this scenario or not, is it embedded with ranks, position and money to exhibit pride in whosoever is in the position with these three subjects mentioned? We need to be careful not to be the victim of the same thing we preach against.

It's interesting.. Seeing how you group every rank into a structural analogy. When I was new to this forum as a newbie, I always have this mindset that those higher than me in rank are my seniors. Their opinions or suggestions are final but as time goes on, I came to realize that we all have the same equal rights and thoughts about crypto-related topics no matter our ranks. Suggestions from anyone are widely accepted irrespective of your rank.

But in fact, sometimes, a newbie brand is not a newbie. We don't know the people behind the accounts, so the brand may be a newbie but the people may not newbie enough.
Btw if normally, newbies will start learning in college to be able to get more knowledge and rise up the rank.
But, mostly, newbies are not interested in the knowledge, they come to the college and then ask how to get a job here and how to get money here, while they have nothing to do.
In this case, whatever the opinion, this is about the process, how people or members here in this forum is doing our process in this forum.
But, why it is about called an allumni? Whereas, many members that have been even in Legendary, they are still learning here, because there may be something new again here, and they are not finished here yet. Still in this forum, means still in the college.

Inferiority complex has dealt with so many to the extent of limiting their capabilities, if they can learn it, acquire it and do it better then why being a failure before attempting, some rights were not taken all because of lack in their consciousness.


Don't let us mistake a general name "newbie" in place of a spammers, here a newbie has the intention to stay and grow but a spammer comes in with trickish means to circumvent norms and procedures but the forum is position in such a way to avoid their growth in ranking up. Watch them they are mostly shitposters.

Don't judge someone's knowledge of bitcoin and bitcointalk from their ranks because there are lot of exceptions to explain the ranks is not actually determine everything, just go to the technical board where you see low ranked members who have more knowledge about how bitcoin things works than some random legendary posting in bounties or altcoin board.

And there is something you should know that not all skilled individuals where skillful through University and sometimes the ability to know is within you.

lol... but that's the salient truth, the technical aspects is not what one can dabble into anyhow without having the knowledge or experience, that's why some will maintain their coast, but that doesn't mean at all, take for instance, we have it that some students may be good in English than in mathematics while others in exchange of the two, but few ones were actually good at them both, same is also what we can see happening here, but the merit system is so perfect enough that if you gat nothing to offer, then that limit your growth as well on the forum.


education is not the measure of soundness, hardworks, deligency and knowledge, to me it only gives additional beauty to talent and acquired skills, though we learn from school but I've seen some students who have nothing to show off despite their level if been taught in school, they can't just assimilate through education except by other means, the richest people were not learnards but just few are.

There is something quite unique about those newbie accounts, you will notice that those accounts who once in a while post in bitcoin technical support and development and technical discussions get merited by legendary because they know how valuable their contributions are in all those area and even with the merits earned, they don't increase their activity to increase their ranks, they are always fine with giving accurate replies to technical questions and mistakes users do post, they don't even value signature space and they are cool with. There are even users who go to the length of ignoring posts of signature participants.

Some of the users we called newbies are knowledgeable and are far better than some people we feel that they are master of everything. Because some of the people you see as a newbie is those people who have a double account and triple account to congest the forum. And that is why some time i watcy some people respond and the way they give examples and theory of suggestions and you will consider some of the account as a double and dual account of some people

Exactly mate we can not judge the book by its cover and also here in this forum we can not say that all high ranks are knowledgeable enough but as we saw there are many Hero members or even Legendary Members who still spamming or let's say shitposters. And not all newbies are literally newbies,  many newbies have already experienced about bitcoin and have more knowledge and as we saw here in forum there are many newbies who contributed and make useful topics and replies.

Even myself not really great with the technical knowledge about cryptocurrencies even though I have been here for more than 4 years, if there is no merit system is in practice then probably I will be having legendary member rank under my name but I know that I don't deserve it actually so as I said the ranks can't be considered here, it's all about the content that someone is conveying to the community.

It only takes quite a lot of patient and thorough learning in becoming a legendary from being a newbie. In learning and trading process, you have to be attentive and observant in knowing all what it entails and following proper guidelines on the forum, especially the rules and regulations that binds each and everyone on this forum. It also requires a lot of knowledges and enough ideas in getting there. Even before some people joined this forum, they are experts in BTC affairs in conjunction with more knowledges gathered here as well would boast their critical thinking and bring them much more learnings. While we have some newbies that does not have much ideas to topics related to BTC, whereby they got to grow their capabilities here on this forum. Indeed Bitcointalk is such a higher level educational ground for stepping from being a newbie into becoming a legendary.

Correct man , we don't need to use rank in judging members of the forum,  sometimes high rank member can stop doing research and this will make him not to increase in knowledge. A newbie can start investing his time on research and his handling of discussion will be as that of a member with high rank.

Well, that's close to the truth. I'm a complete beginner, and I read everything I can gain. I don't understand everything, but it's still very interesting.

If you still don't understand what you are reading then try watching it on youtube where someone could explain it to you. There are many ways to learn if we want to, we just have to commit and focus of what we want in order to learn. Learning could be fun if you are getting interested to everything even though at first you didn't understand something just like what you felt right now.

Anyway, back to the main topic, I think our perspective to someone's ranking doesn't define who/what they are since someone might have a background of the subject on a different forum but suddenly decided to join and create new account here. it depends where they get their knowledge but ranking is a ranking but knowledge is a knowledge that no one could simply take it away from you.

This is indeed good visualization of some people do according to their ranks but actually sometimes there are forum members who's using low ranks but have wide knowledge about many things in crypto and they didn't rank up because they didn't focus to do so and only want to share and discuss some important insights about crypto space. And forum ranking will not determine who you are in this forum since what most important thing here is your knowledge about crypto.