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maybe someone knows such bookmakers as https://www.zhb77.com/ or btc365.com (5 month ago) who have tf gaming or other chinese platform without KYC

would be very grateful if you could share these

I see at BTC365.com that they are licensed from Montenegro. That immediately reminds me of the Cloudbet platform, but I don't think this is a Cloudbet project. I also don't know if this site is reliable. They don't have an ANN on Bitcointalk and I can't find a lot of info about them either. Founded in 2020 so it seems, so still fairly new on the market. That doesn't always mean much. You will have to look and judge based on reviews from other players whether or not you are going to play here. I wouldn't put any money into it right now.

btc365 now its scamming site, they blocked 90% accounts , so I'm looking for something similar

Can you tell me where you got your information about this? I do not recall hearing anything about this before. I admit, I have never used BET365, but as far as I know, it is a very popular bookmaker.

I assume that in china the government after banning cryptocurrencies casinos cannot accept cryptocurrencies so why are you asking for this? you want a fiat casino right? if yes then just be careful. because casinos that are not on this forum when the person is robbed they have little chance to complain and get the money back thanks to the forum members


many Brazilians and people who have a youtube channel and who talk and give tips about football games bet on this casino, it must be a disaster if they really become a scam

There's a lot of gamblers who talked about this site here, and there's no accusation yet about becoming a scam not unless you can provide proof with regards to this one. This is one of the good option for Chinese bookmakers, they have no KYC but if this rumors is true, better not to try anymore and just go for other option OP. Try also a crypto gambling site that allows Chinese gamblers since we all know, there's a current restriction in your country and you might experience a problem if you still try to avoid it.

Not entirely sure about Chinese bookies, but there are tons of sports betting platforms out there that accepts fiat/crypto that doesn't have their announcement post in this forum. You can try 747bet.com (if it still works) since IIRC it has no KYC and no restrictions whatsoever. I'm also not sure whether they are a legitimate site (only recommended by a friend) so be extra careful when dealing with such bookies.

This is what I found on Wikipedia about Chinese and gambling:


This basically means gambling in China is not legal.

Also, crypto in China is illegal. If China is hostile to crypto and gambling, I do not think we should discuss anything related in favour of that.

I do not know If btc365 is reliable as well, according to the rating I saw outside this forum, the rating is 4.9 out of 10. But I do not know much about the site that have the review.

https://www.correctcasinos.com/btc365-casino-review

They also have an ANN thread on this forum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355326.180

This casino was announced last moth here in the forum. The thread is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403271.0

It could be a good idea if the casino show us what is inside the games and odds on sports without registering. English page will also be needed. It will help gain trust. Also this is a Chinese gaming platform, their government may take hold suddenly.  Like what Oshosondy said, Chinese government is not friendly to crypto.

Can you give us more information about what you just posted that btc365 is now a scam site because on this review it's still doing good
https://wegamble.org/casino-reviews/btc365/ and this review is just a day old surprisingly, although looking on the profile of its representative here in Bitcointalk he had bad actions that made him receive a neutral rating if you can share some info or your own experience, the readers or those who are still playing here will be warned.

Don't utterly believe any review that is made from any gambling review site most of them are paid, and not all of them have experience using the site. Look at their ann thread^[1], there are lot of complains regarding withdrawals. The OP/representative doesn't do much to at least reply the claims although he is right since he's just doing posting announcement on the ann thread.

About the Chinese site, I guess it operates illegally, well, only against its country ^{(i guess if they are accepting crypto payments)}.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355326.200

The source is his personal experience. If you look at his post history you will see it. According to it, he seems to have gambled on btc365 and 1xBit.

With all the reputable sites out there, I don't understand why people go to all this trouble. I guess maybe because he was looking for casinos without KYC.

He could have checked here:

Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381143.0)

Most reputable casinos have KYC requirements, but there are some on that list without KYC that he could have chosen. And of those that do have KYC requirements, some are above certain levels, so if he doesn't gamble a lot he could have played at those casinos without KYC.

that bookmaker's site is still new, the domain was registered 0n 1 June 2022 and expired next year, so I think nobody knows the credibility site when still 2 months old, and as I know when only a month, the site is also not many people have registered yet. maybe just a few people to deposit and try the bookmaker and win something.

so it's a bit risky, but when you are still interesting, try to play with small money.

Now there are many kinds of gambling platforms around the world that are doing business with reputation. In this case gambling with unknown casino may lead to some problems. I think it is the best to choose one of the gambling platform who have been in this forum for a long time with reputation. You can gamble there if you feel that this casino guaranteed you the highest benefits. btc365.com This site didn't look familiar to me. Since it is your asset, you have to decide what should you do?

the OP was not talking about BET365, he was talking about BTC365 and as far as I know, they don't accept BTC(though I am not sure if it changed). but yeah, I don't really blame you for mistaking it for BET365, I even them if they were connected to them because of the "365" similarities in their name but I never got an answer.

If you mean for unknown crypto casino, i recommend that way too ^{(has a good reputation here before using them)}. But for those who first launch who doesn't but accept crypto lately, its not necessary.
About btc365, they are running for years already, its only unknown to you coz probably they never made an ad or signature campaign here.

They won't do that. Their focus is the Chinese people and they wouldn't take the time to translate their site to cater to other people. Also, if they do that they'd only attract more attention from the Chinese government. Better to keep it low than to be on the center of the prying eyes of the CCP. For those English-speaking people looking for a casino, it is common sense to stay away from casinos that has its language set to those that you not understand.

Bro, that's also what i am searching for, if you have any info on sites that use Tf gaming i'd like to give a look, it can have KYC that's no problem for me.

When the gaming platform without the KYC,it will the welcome one among the people.Because they no need to claim Kyc for the withdrawal.So their money profit will not shared on government.They no need to pay tax for the same money.They can fully use the winning money for their life upliftments.So this will be the real win as compared to the other kyc compulsory gaming website.

you can just checking last messages in this post , they blocking for me account with 1500 usd and they veryfing 6 month account for my friend with 2000 usd ofc verifying 6 month accounts its scamming for player or no? according to the last posts, this is not only done to me

even if the previous post/s says that you are not the only victim of BTC365, you still need to provide evidence to prove your accusation against them. I am not saying that you are lying but you should provide evidence if you want people to believe you.

There are so many posts like this putting bad feedback online on casinos in a subtle way without providing proof of what they are accusing of one casino, even if the casino has bad feedback in the past, it is still good to provide not only your bad experience but a proof of why you are giving it bad feedback, we are talking about casino who live and die on their feedbacks and reputation, so better separate your opinion and your experience if you think a casino is bad based on your opinion say that it's your opinion if you have a bad experience of being scammed then post your evidence.

But, is that true? Would you be able to support your claims with some evidence other than your words?

Let's check some facts. First you accused the casino of scamming, after that btc365partners (BTC365 representative) asked for your username to investigate the matter but you never responded to his request.


Now, a few months later, you opened this topic and continue with your unsubstantiated accusations.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not defending the casino, but making claims that are not supported with evidence will not be taken seriously by the community. In order to take your allegations seriously, I would strongly recommend that you gather all the relevant evidence and post in the Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) section. A screenshot of the conversation with the live-chat agent would also be helpful, as well as a record of your balance history on the site.

Yes, that's what he needs in order to achieve justice. If he really has conclusive evidence and publishes it in the accusations section, the lawsuit will be in his favour, then the casino will be numbered with red flags.

Have been seeing an increasing number of people recently seeking information about bookmarkers that runs their business with no KYC and to register on this kind of gaming platforms without KYC is bit risky, as a lot of complains has been laid on this forum base on the issue they had with their inability to withdraw their funds after winning huge some amount of money, in case you successfully find one please don't come back here to start laying complains, you better know that possible restrictions of your funds is equally involved and you may finally be asked to still do your KYC.

If I get you correctly, you have money with BTC365 and your account was blocked. When your account was blocked, the gambling site would message you and tell you the reason your account was blocked. What is the reason stated?

If you were not messaged, but which I doubt as you should be able to also see it on the site written on your account. I do not know how the gambling site is though, but there would be a way to convey to you the reason the gambling site blocked your account. Or you can message the site to tell you the reason.

You can tell us the reason why your account is blocked and provide evidences.

As gamblers we must remain vigilant and play only at trusted casino, I also don't know which platform you want. "chinese bookmakers with tf gaming platform NO KYC" I think you can find them on google but that be more risky !

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Even I also do not believe, he told the wrong of value too, how from 1300 so can increase 1500? there's no way his money can a breeds at casino without play. Giving bad feedback must be included by strong evidence yes, so the community senate can help.
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Accusing a casino site of a scam should always accompany by proof and evidence so you can support your claims. It will only look unfair to a site if you'll only accuse it verbally without being able to prove it. I think a casino site if it's legit, won't ban a user without any concrete reason. You should have provided at least the screenshot of your conversation with their support if you have reached out to them regarding this matter.

As far as we know, all online bookmakers are banned in China, but this is official, but which Chinese bookmakers do not require KYC, it seems to me that if they really are Chinese, then KYC should not be there, I may be mistaken. In general, of course, are you interested in Chinese bookmakers or proven bookmakers who support the Chinese language?

We don't know the facts of this site but they claim to be from Asian and the gambling site is not available for English, but if online gambling bookmakers are banned in China then how does the site operate and do they use licenses from other countries even though it is for the target Chinese gamblers.

ZHB77 gambling site also opened an official discussion thread onZHB77.com: [USDT/RMB Betting] BIG BONUS [Quick Payout] 真好博亚洲新娱乐网  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403271.0), but doesn't seem very active.

No one is sure about the service being offered by the respective platform. Better OP can stay away from gambling for some time period. If not, it is good to find the best available on our forum and use it. Maybe you need to travel to the neighbouring country to use it. If caught, China might keep you away from the country. Nothing offensive  ::)::)::)::)::)

For my view, I would not trust book which is trying to mimic under well known site bet365 (https://www.bet365.com/#/HO/). Shady enough.
Honest book will push his own franchise, rather than creating similar connotations with others. Looks like site is trying to fool you in in some way (mimic under well known name). For what reason?

But this is my IMO

^ I agree with your conclusion which is true for me.
That is why for me it is a good sign that the bookies required KYC and a licensed casino because I know they are regulated too.
Bet265 has been known here as a shady casino so I am not surprised if this casino will change its name into something that people will easily fool them.
In the first place, why do we use book makers that we don't know the background of the repeated gambling casino here, I would always choose a good and reputable gambling casino even though it requires KYC because I know it is safe.

Me too.

Branding is important and if there's a casino that's trying to ride on their fame and popularity, that's already a red flag. I wonder what happens if the original and official casino would sue them.

That's going to be a big amount then for the intellectual property rights if they push for it.

In my several years in this forum, I cannot remember of a single online crypto gambling platform that is China-based. Most are Curacao-registered. I don't know if there are decent alternatives that were not promoted or don't have announcement threads in this forum, but given that gambling, including online gambling, is basically illegal in mainland China, I doubt you can have a lot of options. If there are, the risk must be considerably high knowing that the Chinese government does not register such platforms.

I think you confused something: bet365 is registered in UK. I would call it the most trustworthy bookmaker from all I have seen.

So it's obvious why shady services will try to mimic its name: because people know and trust bet365, so likely they will do the same with btc365 (this is how mentality works, some kind of logic fallacy) 

I definitely agree with your statement.

Not to be biased against Chinese gambling websites but in order to secure your money, better bet and use your funds in a more reliable online gambling platform with a designated ANN thread in this forum. With that in mind, communication between you and their service is relatively easier and closer. While their website may not offer any KYC documents, you are still putting yourself at risk in the event that a conflict arises.

Like what I always say, prevention is always better than cure; put your money in a more secured and reliable website instead!

When they do not require KYC for me, it is a reason to investigate the site well, because if we skip the terms and conditions and do not read them, problems can arise there, I have found that I register in No KYC sites, but in the same way they ask for KYC if I have to make a withdrawal, then this is something that confuses and annoys a lot, because they do not keep their word.

When I see a site without a thread, Ann, I don't see it as reliable, I see it as very insecure, it may be safe, but I'm so used to the style of our forum that I've become very demanding, and I usually don't agree with some people who do site reviews and put up very weird sites that i didn't know about, i don't know about and i'm scared to earn money on there.

Well, Chinese platforms often do not advertise themselves in other places apart from their target audience (Chinese). It makes much more sense since they only need to focus their attention on on market and be able to customize their service on one specific demographic. These Chinese platforms are not generally recommended for people who does not speak the language, or people that does not live in China. They may be a reliable website for the Chinese players but what do we know anyway if we aren't using it and we're not the target demographic?

I still don't have good idea on most Chinese gambling sites and how they works because it look unclear to me on how the government regulate it with there targeted audience. I can take risk of playing on most of them because they be more reputable but the licensing and auditing is mostly done by known Chinese registered companies which I may not know.mhch about.
 Since they are not well known about taking risks on betting on casinos that are not on this forum can be a lite bit challenging.

^ This reason has made sense to me and it is definitely right.
If a gambling casino platform is pure Chinese language use it will probably be that they are focused on their local not on the international but if they will use an international language which is English. It is sure that they not only focus on their local at the same time in other countries too.
However, regarding the KYC which is a case-to-case basis which is we need to investigate why there is no KYC.

More like, focusing in chinese people who resides outside china and the business is based outside china too. Coz if the platform is accepting crypto then they are subject to be seized by their government knowing china hate crypto. So focusing only to their locals and operating in the country doesn't make any sense.
Also, probably the team behind only knows chinese language making more sense.

Casinos that allow you to gamble and place bets without KYC are the ones that has no license. Hence, it is very risky to gamble in those casinos. They can scam you and you can literally do nothing. They aren't registered or anything. They can run away with your money and you won't be able to take any actions against them (who and where are you going to complain against them?). Casinos that interact with fiat currency but with no KYC are more riskier than those crypto currency based casino. You can literally fall in legal troubles like money laundering cases. So would be better if you don't play in those casinos.

But it would be better to use multiple languages ​​for their site so people who don't understand Chinese can see the gambling games. It can also attract people who want a new experience with Chinese-style gambling games. In addition, they can have the opportunity to have members from outside China and develop their site even more. Or maybe the casino team just wants to use Chinese and doesn't want to get into trouble if they use multiple languages.

Yes, it will be always an advantage for having multiple language for a platform like casino/gambling.
But if the platform only have particular target market, then having such feature ^{(multiple language)} doesn't make any sense so better to stick what they have considered.

That is true, China do not accept cryptocurrencies, it is illegal in China. But not only cryptocurrencies are not accepted in China, also gambling is also not accepted andbit is banned. It may be possible that gambling has been allowed in China in the past, I do not know, but gambling is no more acceptable in China and is banned. So what you are saying is right, the gambling site would only be targeting only the Chinese that are not residing in China, but it is very possible that some Chinese that are living in China to illegally use such gambling site.

It might be that they're operating under the radar, and that their operations are illegal, or that they employ no KYC until a certain extent, e.g. you won something big or there is a suspicious activity on your account. Whatever the reason is, I think it should be the least of our worries. Why would I even think of their reason why they do not have any KYC if I'm not the target market anyway? If I made the decision to play on their website, while knowing that they have no KYC and non-compliant on a lot of regulations, that's on me.

You would have to be a very brave man/woman to trust a Chinese online gambling platform. I personally would never trust any platform coming out or registered in a country known for scams and lax scam regulators.

KYC is not something I like, personally but it does show that the online gambling casino is taking regulation laws seriously.

Another poster already mentioned that btc365 is "banning 90%" of their users and that's just another huge red flag.

I am familiar with btc365.com as I've seen them here in forum. I'm just not sure of the status of their reputation.
By the way, are you a Chinese citizen? Is it legal for you to play on these kind of casino that you are looking for?

About btc365, how were you able to tell that they are scamming their players?

I read your post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355326.msg59999171#msg59999171) about btc365.com in their ANN thread but if you have an issue with a casino it's better to open a thread exposing your case in the Scam Accusations board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 along with a thread in the gambling section providing a link toward your case there, if you need help or comments from other gamblers.
BTW you didn't explain what you are calling "tf gaming". What is this please?

^ I got you and you are right there.
I never think that it is possible they will become a shady platform because they are operating in an illegal way. So if you blindly accept them and gamble, it seems your money is a risk that will probably anytime they will run. I never use a gambling platform where the main language is there local, it seems awkward for me to use not unless the gambling company uses multiple languages.
However, we have here different bookmakers that were already trusted and highly reputable gambling casinos, why we would use a bookmaker like this which does obviously not seem to be trusted?

I could remember that vividly that BTC365 once launched a signature campaign on this forum which lasted for 4 weeks or so, this I believe was Middle or of late last year 2021.
And for a bookmaker that once had a signature campaign running on this forum, not having an Ann here is quite surprising.

And commenting on OP's enquiry, I would like to ask if Chinese bookmakers are to be trusted?, considering the Chinese government stance on crypto currencies,  except the bookmaker should not necessarily be crypto accepting ones.

I don't use a Chinese gambling site is a good idea because we both know how the Chinese government can come up with something that will confiscate the fund of users or make them go through hell.
About Btc365, It was listed among US gambling sites according to my research but I have never checked the details about their license and I am not sure if they had anything to do with the mentioned gambling site.

Of course, it will be an advantage for casinos with multiple language features so that players from different countries can understand the features of the casino. As long as the platform releases its business on the internet, the business will develop better because it can get customers from different countries and its target market will also become bigger. And that means they need to be able to manage their site when they get a surge of customers playing on their site.

Honestly these days having KYC is a positive sign that a casino will be around when you wake up the next day. Any casino that is not using KYC can be taking all sorts of shortcuts and residing in jurisdictions that you probably want to avoid. That is even more true for casinos/sportbooks serving the Chinese market - either serving people while being based on China or serving Chinese citizens. If the are serving a website from China then it is simply a waiting game before they get shutdown and all your funds will disappear. If you are a Chinese citizen it's better to avoid gambling because any site you go to could take your money and you would have no legal methods of complaint without the authorities in your own country realizing that you were breaking the law.

Even if you use a bookmaker's office without the KYC requirement, this will not give you a guarantee of refusal, for example, payments in case of a win, referring to the use of a VPN, besides China strictly punishes for participating in online gambling

Well, I have an opinion that I don't care if it's Chinese, or if it's from any other country, I can't deny that a casino that doesn't have KYC requirements catches my attention, but it's something very risky, usually they are casinos that don't they have certain licenses and their authenticity is really debatable and debatable due to the order of things. If we start to see, currently the most famous and most reliable casinos require KYC and this is undoubtedly a guarantee of being able to protect the security of our data and in turn our money because it falls within the framework of legality, and any claim or closure, because they respond for our money.

You are here in crypto space so don't blindly believe that having KYC'ed is equivalent to security of your balance and your personal data.
How can you explain those hacked casino, exchanges, or etc that require KYC? Did they protect you especially your privacy? No. They just tell you not to worry, and just apologize and they will work hard so it won't happen again, that's their line. Then later on you will receive lots os spam messages.
A hacked/leaked personal information is more harmful than getting robbed.

Even having KYC'ed doesn't mean make that you can withdraw your funds so easily. Look at those complaints in scam accusations, casino, exchanges that ask KYC then lately blocked the account.

Again, KYC can't guarantee you that they will protect you or help you when a hacked happens, or mostly when you are blocked in a casino.
KYC is just legality only, don't misunderstand KYC for anything.

Well there is something that must be understood, nope just here in several threads Ann is actively talking about KYC things, this is like a trend, everyone wants to be without KYC and continue enjoying the benefits, but what guarantees does a site give us? that does not require KYC? If there is no KYC it means that it lacks some licenses, and I have seen users who are very radical when a casino does not have its licenses in order because they lack authenticity, so when you get casinos without KYC you have to be careful, sometimes You have to be careful even with what you ask for, because there are licenses that require even some countries to be prohibited.


Well, in part you are right, the only thing is that when these conditions are met there is more reason to claim in the face of any eventuality, if a player is with everything in order it is easier to claim and have a voice and a vote in his petition, however today in day, the fact of having KYC is demanding that verification a lot.

When there is a casino that does not require KYC because it simply has something that is missing, and in general it is a type of license and that does not give it authenticity for which they would begin to criticize, there is something that everyone must accept and that is that privacy and anonymity will go away little by little, nobody will have their anonymity, it will become a crime for those who want to be anonymous and not be registered in a system.

What could be so worse than getting robbed? But I understood what you are talking about. KYC is extremely dangerous, that is true. If the data is leaked and hackers know about it, no one knows who could be the victims of a phishing attack, even if someone is able to avoid those types of online attackers, how about physical attackers. You are not wrong.

People should know that KYC does not mean safety nor guarantee security, only the advantage is that if someone have access to its email and forgot his or her password, he can be able to easily reset its password and be able to have access to its account.

It's normal, non-KYC casinos are being suspected as a scam is normal. Every gambling website before faced that reality before when KYC is not a thing. But as long as they have friendly approach and active answering question to the community like every old casino/gambling websites do, then eventually a reputation will be build.

And as for your opinion about anonymity, then it's really up to you. Many people still prioritize their privacy/anonymity than taking KYC in any level.
Again, privacy leakage is scary and its more scary than getting robbed. You can earn and save money but your leaked personal information will be in any database forever. Well, being a victim of identity thief is even scarier and will cost your life than just your money. That is why talking like anonymity is a crime is a whole new level of BS to me.

Being anonymous is indeed quite difficult these days, because the rate at which terrorism, kidnapping, and other related crimes physically happening around us is a cause for concern, hence, the need to know the next person; be it online or offline.
This KYC which seems to be a trendy topic these days is more for benefit of the company/casino/cryptocurrency than it is for us the users. It is an online security company that serves the legal function of getting to know the how, why, and when of new or existing users of a site. It is not an assurance that one's account can't be hacked or details such as location info, sites visited, pictures and even documents of any kind one may have kept in private folders can be kept private.
One might assume the Chinese bookmakers with a tf gambling platform and no KYC verification to be a better option, but would it not rather be legit to verify with a known platform, than risk your hard-earned currency just to get an experience for anonymity's sake? Unless one has other agendas or a laundering mindset, or for any unholy reason for which KYC stands to fish out, then there really shouldn't be issues with being verified.

^ For me, it depends on the gambling casino that how many years in service it should be trusted, the longer years they are in service the more they are trusted even Chinese bookmakers will not impose a KYC procedure on their customers. Probably KYC is not safe at all but let us accept the fact that nowadays every platform is now open for KYC especially if it is a centralized platform that is under control by the government too. So KYC is not a problem for me, as long as the casino is trusted, I won't hesitate to submit KYC.

It's not all about receiving lots of phishing/spam emails or sms.
Worst case is your name is being used in any criminal act such as swindling or estafa, or simply identity thief. Since most of these leaked information are the one that is needed to apply in different agencies/stores/etc. which include your name, IDs, address, birthday, phone number, etc. These criminal acts can be applying a loan ^{(this is common)} in both private and government agencies, use your driver's license info and get road offense ^{(there are incidents like this too)}, you can be a victim of sms cloning using your info, then getting robbed again, and many more possible cases which will end up destroying your reputation.

It will be too late the time you discover that your name is used and labeled as criminal in the investigation bureau. And this will bring someone's life in misery, possible will end up being in debt. This cost you more than anything than those amount that got hacked from your exchange or casino balance's account.

It seems you didn't get what it's about. If the data is leaked or the hacker is able to get the data then you don't know what they will do with the data. They could sell the data to criminals or they use it for criminal activities. If that happens then it is called identity theft. That's why it is worse than getting robbed since they only take your things, money and you won't face any criminal record for that. Don't know why you didn't think that there's a possibility that the leaked data will be used for criminal acts. That's what it's all about and what it's called that PX-Z explained why it's worse than getting robbed.

All I could think about how KYC is very dangerous is that hackers can provide the data for other attackers in a way they can physically rob the victim. This is very possible which might even be happening. Another is the phishing attack which is very common. Another is the selling of the data which can be used in what you are talking about above. But as for this to lead to a case that the innocent person to be seen as a criminal of the offense he did not commit is what I do not know much about as I haven't heard about such cases before, but better to protect oneself from these kind of attack. But how? Most people are doing KYC. 90% or more people are doing KYC, only few people are not.

Phishing attacks are I think easier to avoid. There are signs to know them like if the site has a weird url or a typo than the original site you are going to visit then that's an example of a phishing attempt. Physical attackers on the other hand are unavoidable because you will be attacked directly and threatened that if you don't obey on what they want you will get hurt.

I think when that scenarios occur, it's better if you can just surrender your stuff as life is more important. We can still be able to report them later on and clear out our names if our identity or kyc is misused. @the OP, have you checked the Chinese boards here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=30.0)? Since what you are looking for is a Chinese website.

You are right, what happens is that sometimes these platforms, both casinos and exchanges, require KYC for additional benefits, in 2018 I think that Binance still did not require a fully mandatory KYC, but I had a problem and I really needed the support of them so that I could have my coins in my wallet, and if I escalated my case and they told me that I had to complete a KYC to be able to have access to it and that my funds were restored, I felt that they were taking advantage of the situation, well no I had no choice but to do so and be able to accept those conditions, because I was not going to lose money, so they look for ways to force people in a very particular and diplomatic way, it is not surprising that government entities also treat casinos Similary.

The greatest danger that people run is what you say, that this data can be leaked and can tempt against our homes, but currently that is already a risk that everyone wants to take, as I have said on other occasions, it will be very difficult to save the anonymity and privacy, data and everything related to people there will no longer be such a right, then there will come a time when these data no longer matter to people, I think this is something that many should already be taking into account, our data can leak even from the banks themselves, the big thefts come from those data provided by the same entities that work there.


Yes, you are right, phishing attacks are easy to see when the person has a little knowledge about URLs and some computer networks, while there are many people who do fall, one option that they used a lot was through the Internet. google searches, Well, they put the same URL but in the form of advertising, so a person who does not have much experience in managing the Internet can completely fall for a scam, so these things must be emphasized, and it is incredible, but even people despite all the information and all the precautions that are taken, continue to fall. The case of pshishing is very extensive, and more so when it comes to casinos, crypto.

Wrong. There are many non-KYC casinos that are completely reliable which is why automatically assuming that they are scams is abnormal.

Wrong. I have no idea where you got those figures from. Around 60% are comfortable providing KYC while the remaining 40% which includes me aren't comfortable providing their KYC unless absolutely necessary.

But then even though there is possible misrepresentation if the data supplied for KYC get into the wrong hands, the remain that if your data is used to scam another person there will still be other evidence that can vindicate you as a victim of identity theft. I know the issue of KYC is not all that advisable due to the many disadvantages of giving your data to a third party even though cryptocurrency gave us some level of privacy but because of law enforcement, we are asked to go through KYC before accessing some features on some platforms. But if one can have a bookmaker that does not require KYC it will be better and less risky to use such decentralized and none KYC sites.

We understand the concerns of gamblers if they have to complete the KYC in the casino, but because of the rules that emphasize the casino team for KYC and have the potential to even lose some of its users because of the KYC obligation rules. But not all users agree with the casino without KYC because they do not always provide fair games, low data security and anonymous casino team whose founders can't verified, so it also has a high risk due to the casino still illegal status.

Read and understand my comments, suspected as a scam and a scam is too different thing. You just quote the phrase without understanding the supporting phrase/details.

So you expect people who call a non-KYC casino automatically a legit site is normal? It sounds abnormal to me. People use instincts and suspect things first, and being suspicious saves them from harm.

And no one said non-KYC casino are scam, they are assumed scam, its too different thing. They are assumed usually when they don't have any reputation yet.
Besides im not against a non-KYC casino in fact im against of normalizing KYC required casinos.

You clearly mentioned that non-KYC casinos being suspected as scam is normal which is why you need to rephrase your words properly since non-KYC casinos being suspected during their initial stages just because of no KYC makes zero sense.

Many popular crypto gambling sites like Stake, Roobet etc never enforced KYC initially and made it mandatory later on. Think!

Here the OP raises the issue of gambling platforms without KYC for Chinese citizens is rather related to the fact that gambling is prohibited by law in China and a player who has passed KYC primarily risks his freedom, so you have to prioritize one way or another: do you risk only money or risk your freedom, the choice is obvious, as it seems to me.

Well there are many things, but what you say is true, in fact, in many platforms that are not casinos, there is a lot of data leakage, the more data is hidden, that is already put into a system, whether you like it or not, it is Thus, it is so much that privacy and anonymity remained to be seen since the time that Snowde undressed the entire US government system, so this is something that they either want or do not want, even if the best of all protocols is used in the same way that data is already filtered, nothing more than a person from South America if he asks for an American visa, the Americans, they know what sites they frequent on the internet and they know all aspects of the person's life, not to mention the Chinese, and that system is using at least for something very good, which is to expose pedophiles, that way they have captured them, another thing is that they do not reveal one of the ways to do it, if so, what is left for the casinos?

Yes, there is no other way, in fact it is, but here the Chinese citizens have some options, the Chinese government I have seen that they do a lot of tracking and have a great control, despite the fact that in China they have the largest number of world population, so I think that these things can complicate a certain control, because it is difficult to take into account 1 Chinese among many, that is like looking for a needle in a haystack, a Chinese citizen can play in a casino, suppose he uses VPN, and he is in a country close to China, if he is detected and he alleges that he was in that country, how is it done? and if the Chinese citizen traveled and played in a casino, then how does he do? Those are the things for which there is a vulnerability with Chinese controls and that a citizen can take advantage of in his favor.

I think that the people of China are at great risk if they try to gamble while in China and using a VPN.  I would never do that, given the harsh laws of this country for violators - gamblers.  And if a Chinese is in other countries, plays in a casino without KYC and possibly even without a VPN, then there are no problems.  Without KYC, no one will know the nationality of the player.  But in general, of course, you need to take into account the risk of unexpected KYC when withdrawing a deposit.  This can of course be an annoying problem.  
But in general, I feel sorry that such a huge country is deprived of the opportunity to play in the casino.

Advantage with casino gambling without adapting with KYC to hidden gambler or costumer identity, some countries not allowed for their people joining in several gambling casino and restrict by casino gambling not giving access some countries, I think used VPN give bad impact and have lower safety account depending with Term of Service some casino not allow used VPN. Chinese looks not really friendly country actually with cryptocurrency gambling because almost have several ICO sale always not allowed investor from China. Maybe for recommended gambling platform could try with moonbet (https://moonbet.io/?utm_source=bitcointalk&utm_medium=Signature&utm_campaign=signaturecampaign) without need KYC for deposit and withdrawing.

That's right, the use of a VPN in some casinos can make the account locked and even banned. especially if it is detected using the same IP with several other accounts. it would violate the rules of some crypto casinos.
Chinese government regulations regarding crypto also seem to restrict gamblers from that country from playing at crypto casinos.

related to your advice (moonbet) seems good to try. Currently, it seems that a casino is developing that can be directly connected to a wallet. without having to register and KYC first. some gamblers may see being anonymous as helpful. but partly, of course, think about security.

What happens is that they shouldn't put so much trouble on the matter, for me that is something of a concept, a person who enters a casino should not be prohibited in any way, if things are like that that reduces the demand for the casino and it is not well, a casino always depends on its good reputation and above all on its players and customers, if there is a potential player who can spend a lot of money on a platform, will they say no? So those are the things that should not be wasted, also the competition here in the casinos is very great, these things should be taken into account to become bigger, in addition, it operates with crypto, and with crypto there should be no restrictions .



I have seen that some casinos have the use of VPN as an option, I think they have understood that this is not the way to go, because in some way a person will always want to have access to many platforms to have fun, and it is in very bad taste that they are prohibited However, it is true, some casino casinos, when they detect that a player is using the VPN, prohibit them and in fact block their funds, which does not seem appropriate to me, I think they are playing with something they should not because obviously a person when playing in an casino win or lose that already has to do with them and not with the help of a VPN, if the VPN made a person win, maybe they could do something, but to have access to a site? If I were the owner of a site and I see that they enter with a VPN, I would be flattered, because despite all the competition there is, they choose my casino.

Absolutely correct remark. 

Many people have a need to hide their true whereabouts. 
And for the most part, these are not scammers, but simply these citizens are looking through a VPN for a way to bypass the blocking of some sites in countries where this is practiced. 
But casino devs may simply be afraid of regulatory reprisals when they allow full VPN access.  Such permissions can harm them or even lead to the blocking of the casino itself if they operate in a critically tough jurisdiction. 
So the casino devs can also be understood.

It is a big problem that Chinese citizens face because of scammers, for me this is something that should not exist in China or in any other country, regarding the prohibitions imposed the truth does not make sense, we all know that by pure inspection the majority of people do not pay attention to governments, because a government always wants to take away the freedoms of its people, and above all, it almost puts its hands in the pocket of private economies, that is something that should not be allowed, and I think that due to this lack of irreverence, it has been possible to ban many people on many occasions, some services that are fun, and this is something that should not be allowed, except what has to do with cryptocurrencies, now the problem is VPNs when they try to have fun, everything as it is integrated so that some people do not have access to play.

where you seen thay blocked 90% of account from btc365 . can you share any informative link as you said here ? they are still alive on Online and They are a licensed casino . they are licensed by E-Gambling Montenegro .

I think that quite a lot of people in this world are forced to use a VPN. 
However, its use has two main disadvantages. 
VPN opens access to some sites blocked in specific countries.  But at the same time, some sites in the same country are blocked if they go through the servers of the VPN itself.  This makes it necessary to constantly turn the VPN on or off on devices and gadgets.  And it's definitely very inconvenient. 
This is one of the downsides of using the internet.

No, no one is forced to use a VPN. VPN's are only optional and use to conceal your self but it's being misused for some illegal activities and there are some who are using it to access blocked sites. The one that you said there isn't really a disadvantage because it's easy to turn off a VPN if you want to browse again the sites that your country supports.

The true disadvantage of using a VPN is that if the casino catches you, your funds are going to get confiscated and then you will also be ask to submit your KYC. We shouldn't only turn off our VPN but we need to uninstall it for our own safety. I am sure that there are still casinos out there that are fully legal in our country.

If his location is included in the list of prohibited countries in the TOS then it is not recommended to use VPN access because if the casino asks for KYC it will not be accepted, so the account cannot make withdrawals or even the account can be frozen. He needs to weigh the risks before accessing an online casino using a VPN. Like your suggestion above, he may find alternative casinos that are legal and accessible without any prohibition rules.

Yes, it seems that casinos must also protect themselves by the rules they must obey so as not to be sanctioned, although over time I think that the regulators of not allowing KYC are always at the order of what their clients can express, at the moment in that there are casinos that do not offer so many rules and turn out to be reliable, casinos must change their acceptance pools, they cannot afford to lose their customers who have cost them so much effort in marketing and traffic, this is a direct consequence of what they must do to guarantee their players, in another instance you cannot put a balance only in one direction because everything would come to a swing, neither in favor of the players nor in favor of the casino.

I think that as soon as the regulators of the casino activity give instructions that players must pass KYC, the number of players will immediately drop sharply and the casino may even go bankrupt.  No casino needs bankruptcy by itself.  The same applies to prohibitions on using casinos and VPNs to enter the site.  Also, the casino can have serious losses in income. 
So I think most casinos will resist the introduction of such restrictions in every possible way.  And resistance is possible, for example, by changing jurisdiction. 
And in other ways too.

I think that the use of the VPN should not be left aside, it is preferable that a person has access regardless of what country they are from, if a person makes their deposit and manages to do everything like play, have fun, I think that is to feel well served, In addition, the mere fact of using VPN for a casino is the reason that things will be doing well, it is not good to close the doors to the clients, in a casino it is all the clients, but you have to see how some new casinos do everything to attract players, they pay whatever is in marketing so that they can have traffic and can achieve many things, contests and everything related to it are just marketing tactics and everything so that more people enter the casino, that's why is that they should allow the use of vpn.

Of course, it is correct that the use of a VPN is allowed in many casinos.

  But there is a serious danger if the player wins a large amount in such a casino.  The casino administration may require personal identification in order to pay out winnings.  It could of course be KYC and then how would the player explain why he is using a VPN?  Moreover, VPN is in any case an element of disguising a person's location.  And in such conditions, the player may not receive his winnings in the end, which will be both insulting and unfair at the same time. 
And by the way, what should players do, for example, from China, where there are such strict bans on gambling, if the Chinese do not have the money to travel to another country for a while to try to get their winnings there.  It seems to me that it is very, very difficult. 
So a VPN has a lot of downsides when you use it. 

And do not forget, by the way, that some casinos, following the rules introduced by local regulators, may suddenly stop accessing your account via VPN.  It is quite possible.

90%, that's too high. I think the site you are referring is a popular gambling site, so why would they block gamblers?

Please mate, is this information reliable? you need to provide some source.

There are many things that come into context here, first of all things when it comes to KYC is something that bothers many, but when there are platforms that do not require KYC they lack some licenses, then this becomes a problem but, because it is acceptance, then you cannot have both, Licenses + No KYC, that is a combination that in these times is almost impossible, because a platform that says No KYC implies that it may lack authenticity, if so they will not enter the platform and if there is many Chinese users will obviously not do anything, and that keeps them further away, the non-use of VPN+KYC is a market that is being left behind and not to win.

In that you are absolutely right, for me one of the best ways to attack this problem is with the use of VPN and where casinos are quite smart and want to win a market and a very large demand they should accept VPNs that can allow them to play, With such, if we start to see, what interests a casino is that people play and have enough relevance and traffic, that is what gives it life and above all money, the business model is that it has many clients, players who make a difference, I think that is the life of a casino, it should be noted that in China there are many people and many like to play, so why not allow them?

Of course, when 1.5 billion people in China cannot gamble freely due to the decision of the government of this country, then the only option is to use a VPN. 
I don't blame China's leaders for making such tough ban decisions.  This is an internal affair of this country and obviously the Chinese government has a good reason to impose bans.  However, the number of players from China is huge and of course crypto casinos cannot afford to lose such a huge customer market.  Therefore, I think even if the local authorities force the casino to refuse to use customer accounts via VPN, this will cause quite strong opposition from the casino administrators. 
They may well change jurisdictions or even actually change the location to those countries where the requirements for working with VPNs are not so strict. 

So for a long time there will be an opportunity to play through a VPN. :)

dude you sound too precautious for someone who advertises 1xbit LMAO

Well I have been thinking and a big reason why in several Reputation threads is because in a casino when a person wins they are not recognized just for having used a VPN, that seems to me something that is not right on the part of the casino, because if the people who won if they had lost, then are they going to return the money that the player spent? because it's something like: "what's good for turkey is the same for turkey" I think things should be like that, otherwise I think it wouldn't make sense that they could do something with the VPN, every casino should realize when a user uses VPN, so if so, as soon as it is detected, you must immediately say not to play anymore, a bot can do it.

But in the event that a casino detects something like this and the person makes a deposit and loses his money, then I am very sure that the casino will not do anything to tell the client that he entered with VPN, and how he played with his funds, because the casino will it will return them, so those things are what one says that it is always good to take into account.

The use of a VPN always means that a person does not want to show where he really is.  This is some kind of disguise and a desire to remain anonymous.  In many cases this is justified.  Especially if a person is threatened with punishment or trouble, for example at work. 

But of course, you should always keep in mind that if you use a VPN, then at any time the casino may require you to KYC when you want to withdraw the money you won.  And here, your use of a VPN may well be regarded as an additional argument for masking your identity.  And the casino may even make it extremely difficult for you to transfer the money you win.

Actually using VPN will doesn't make you become anonymous since the central party can still know your real IP address and if you use the same address or linked with centralized exchange address, the casino can cooperate with the centralized exchange to ask your personal information. VPN is just only use to mask your IP address that most people use because they want to access restricted site, this because they live in where gambling got banned etc.

harsh  ;D but at least he shows concern for others , maybe because we already knew about 1xbit and no one from our Forum that will fell from their ads.

I am also wanted to know how did he come to that conclusion of 90% of gamblers from that site had been blocked?

not sure if this is indeed similar to what had happened .

Well, of course, the use of a VPN now cannot achieve 100% anonymity, because it’s true that with the use of modern technologies, an Internet search specialist, and even more sensitive organs, calculate with subtlety the final IP with which the user arrived on the network.  However, VPN applications actively advertise their services, earning on paid subscriptions. 
This business is thriving.  But for the average Internet user, a VPN certainly masks your location a bit. 
Of course, a VPN is required to use blocked sites in a certain country.  Including some gambling sites.

Yes, and what seems strange to me is that China, which is such an advanced country and has so much technology, because they have everything, they want to make restrictions for this, I don't really see the point, it's like coihibition, it's making a bad use of what they can take advantage of, also with all the population they have is so that only China's demand maintains any site or platform, I say that every casino should accept that customers and players from countries that prohibit them do not put those restrictions on them , on occasions I have had to use VPN, because it bothers me that sometimes I want to enjoy a casino and they tell me that due to my location it is not possible to play, I imagine the sentiment of some Chinese, and more so when it is implemented by the government.

This is the riddle. 
China is developing so rapidly that perhaps no country in the world can compare with it.  It seems that poverty has already been overcome in China and people live better and better.  Then the Government should take some steps that the Chinese society will take positively.  One of these steps, I think, would be to make at least a slight liberalization of gambling in China.  Maybe the Chinese Government is planning something like that.  For Chinese people, this would be great.  It is interesting here to hear how things are going directly from a BTT user from China itself. 
This is the only way we can get reliable information.

 Hey Chineses!
Write here something about gambling and prohibitions, about VPN and how you can play from China in an online casino. 
Can the Chinese themselves safely play with casinos in the country or not? 
By the way, is there a strict ban on mining in China, or has comrade Si already canceled it?

If there's no proof then it's hard to believe on this statement.

Of course, you can find other casinos, but if there are few of them, then the choice will not be interesting! 

However, such things as a VPN can always be regarded by the administration and security service of the casino itself as dubious, perhaps even they will suspect fraud.  And all the same, in the end there will be insurmountable obstacles with the withdrawal of money from your deposit, or some kind of blocking of accounts. 

I think that recently, when there is such a bear market in the field of cryptocurrencies as it is now, some casinos even make money on such a "perpetual" blocking of customer deposits.  But they do it, of course, secretly from the regulatory authorities.  So there are problems with VPN.

I never prefer or recommend any site without KYC. In my opinion, it is for your and the site's safety. So I would suggest you not go for any place that doesn't have a KYC Policy.
However, some popular websites can be an exemption.

Not every site requires KYC immediately, I'm betting on a popular gambling site that's in the forum and yet they don't require a KYC, I can gamble with an email and been consistent for years already. Well, maybe our location differs and they have set of rules per country.

In my case, as an experienced gambler, I would prefer a site with great reputation even without KYC than a site that make KYC as a compulsory but haven't made a name yet in the crypto gambling world.

It's better to play on popular casino sites, which obviously can provide comfort and security when playing gambling. And even though they ask us to do KYC, we can do it without worry because the casino site can maintain the confidentiality of customer data. In addition, they will be able to protect their sites from attacks or hacking from hackers who want to steal customer data.

But even so, there are also casino sites that don't ask all their customers to do KYC, but only some customers are asked to do KYC. Meanwhile, others can continue to gamble anonymously. But I have never played on the gambling site that @OP intended.

It's like you say it, I think the best way is to ask a user from China, to see how he can do to evade all those rules that they put in his government, I know that the government is much more controlling and has all the technology ready to them, this is something that cannot be denied. The difference that China has with respect to other countries is that yes, they can have total control over their inhabitants, and that is something admirable and the truth is I do not know how they do it, I do not know whether to interpret it as an extreme order or as an extreme situation communist and controller where what the government says is done, which I will never agree with.

Unfortunately, here in the topic so far, no one from the inhabitants of China has answered us.  But it’s really very interesting how the Chinese play online casinos from China.  Is it possible at all.  Or is it difficult to play from China and only advanced users can go through a VPN or something else to gambling sites?  And how do they get the winnings?  Such a gigantic country cannot be completely isolated from online casinos.  For example, from the same huge India - play as much as you want, there are no special prohibitions. 
Are there really no users living in China and playing in online casinos here in BTT ???  I don't believe it at all! 

Answer, guys, the Chinese, I wonder how you live there

A few of the words in the title thread are pretty much red flags: Chinesse (not precisely known for giving advantage to others in the deals, nor giving accurate information), an no KYC, which is pretty much banned all over the world. It seems so doubtful that the proof to the contrary of being a scan would need to be also quite extensive. I wonder why are we even trying.

I don't think any proof is needed if a casino can provide good service and not cause problems for its members. It definitely won't get complaints from its members. The casino won't get a bad rating on rating sites either. But if we've read the casino reviews and see that many people are having problems, we should avoid using the casino. There are still many casinos we can use to play gambling, and other people have recommended these.

Little bit weird to use some nationality to promote the casino and maybe they are amateur because they think that it will give them advantage to any other casino if they use Chinese word on title header. Maybe they forget that performance speak all itself before gamblers would trust them and also no KYC casino is bit of shady to since many reputable casino now ask for this requirements due to some regulation and no kyc is been use by some scammers who want to take advantage of people which doesn't want to submit their KYC details on non compliant casinos.

Doesn't this gambling site have a name that is very popular with most people, of course it's a question mark for everyone, what's more there is no authentic evidence to confirm it or the truth, because you need something called a screenshot so that everyone can believe it, don't immediately accuse without any evidence. again giving a score of 90% is too high to accuse without basis...

I wonder why they have to use a certain nationality to attract more players when in fact, many people know that gambling is restricted in China so I guess a no-KYC casino would be enough to fully trust them because that seems so shady. However, there is still no concrete evidence yet so it's still hard to conclude anything. If they have blocked 90% of their users, they should have all spoken out regarding what happened.

btc365 is still active casino and They are still providing very good service by their casino.  They are licensed by Montenegro. Bad comments or scams should not be declared about any site without accurate and legal proof.  It creates confusion among people . Where did you see that btc365 scammed someone?  Or have you yourself been cheated out of here?

Lots of fake scam claims. People lose money then say cheated.

visited their Thread here in Bitcointalk

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355326.200

the last update was August and there are several scam post from newbie account but  some cases was resolved though they are still permanently banned but got to withdrawn their funds.

maybe this is something to look into because I commonly see this Site advertised in youtube channels from Nigerian or some from africa or from nort america i guess so better not to take those issues into consideration .

I actually do not no about chinese bookies. I thought it was illegal in the country. I know they have a gambling culture and not every chinese can travel to Macau to go to the casino. Now, as for bet 365, it is a fully regulated sports book with KYC.

Maybe because gambling is rampant on china and to many chinese are involve in this industry that's why maybe they want to attract gamblers to come with them and convince that they have huge userbase or community for them to get excited about what they can offer to them. But I think this will not work here especially many users are arm with knowledge about scams so for sure they will stick on reputable casino and just watch those new casino how they perform to see if they became reputable or not here.

If so, we don't need to register on that casino site because it already uses KYC.
Fortunately, many other crypto casinos haven't implemented casinos for all of their members.
But there may be people who like casinos in China and continue to use them for gambling but not for anything else.
But the important thing is that we know where we want to gamble and whether the casino asks us to do KYC or is KYC free, we can find it.

a report has been posted Against btc365 by a newbie account . but he is just post about 20mbtc scam by btc365 but he is not posted any valid proof. so we can't call directly btc365 is scam without any valid proof. not only for btc365 we can't trust any such post or report Against anything without any valid proof

Why looking for a kyc free casino using Crypto currency when in the real life your country put a ban on Crypto from being recognized and not operational. Is there no local casinos licensed in your country to identify with.  By the way you made mention of btc365 being a scam project. Probably, you  might have had a bitter and terrible experience to had said that. Do you mind sharing your experience with us for clarity and putting up sure link and proofs to that claim so we all could take caution while dealing with them.
Currently speaking regulations attached to casinos in respect to kyc are kind of not reversal. Most Governments have had these agencies watch on casinos, so I believe they the casinos would not want to fall victim of any circumstances that would affect their operation or license being revoked.

Does each site adjust the rules according to regulatory policies based on the user's country, I think not because there are several factors that users don't need KYC including:
- no history of suspicious activity or violation of regulations
- low withdrawals
- no exploiting bugs, other cheats.

But many gambling sites have to complete KYC from account registration.

You should at least share some proofs to support whatever claims you are making around here, most especially when it has to do with an individual or a brand to show the authenticity of the claim.

We are aware of how some casinos have become scammy lately so whatever accusation that comes up we treat them with all seriousness.

That's a pity, I got confused when I read, I thought it was BET365 but I didn't see any references to that platform, but if 90% of the accounts are blocked they must have given a reason and a lot of weight to be able to do something like that, when in Funds are blocked in a casino or in an exchange, it is to investigate them, it is for this reason that I have not agreed with the casinos and exchanges that are new, because that type of thing can happen and they are unpleasant, but this is something so that many of us learn to make the deposit of only what is allowed to lose and only have a good profit to withdraw.

I think they have a standard policy, and as a gambler, we need to comply with those policies.

They will only base on the country to determine whether a certain country is banned or accepted in their gambling platform, simple as that.

Now, if they will require KYC, that should be for everyone since KYC does only stands for "KNOW YOUR CLIENT", which does not require a user to be suspected before they are required a KYC.

When I enter a site, be it from any country, from China or from any other, I don't care about that, but I want to know if when they say that it is with no KYC they comply? The point here is that the Chinese citizens are very controlled by their government and they cannot make transactions almost that their governments do not approve them or something similar, this for me is very significant, if I am not from China, but I want to play on a site These then ask me for my information and fill out a KYC that turns out to be annoying because I have to look for more documents to please a casino?

Just because the tight control the Chinese government wants to have over their population I would think twice about submitting any personal information in order to use a service hosted in that country. At least, here in the west most of the time our personal information is used for targeted advertisement and other commercial purposes, in China personal information takes a higher place when comes to political and ethic persecution.

   - I looked at the site but it can't be opened, maybe there was an issue so it can't be viewed anymore. I don't know what the issue is with what you are talking about. The only thing I can say is when a platform does not have KYC its risk level in my opinion is high.

However, if there are any rules or policies, we should follow them or if we don't want to, there is no problem because it is not compulsory, but if you have no choice, just do it as simple as that.

actually OP even say that mate months ago and here is His post


meaning that this site is down or yeah a scam one that only take players money and gone .

and also there are no rules to follow from scammers mate , because there is no lying truth about their activities and program .

let us be learn from this event and never to fall again.

I think this site may already be inactive or they are using it to deceive users. i don't know him but some of them have been deceived here it is better to leave, if you have ever been deceived i think it is very difficult to get the money back.

Well, it's good that we checked and found out that the site is not active.  And some even think that there are some scams.  This is certainly possible, simply because anything can happen in our world. 

But the question that interested me is this question: is there any alternative online casino that can be used from the territory of China?  Moreover, both the inhabitants of this country and visiting tourists can use it.  And at the same time there is no this damn KYC procedure? 
The question is important, China is a gigantic country, technologically advanced and has an insane number of gamblers.
 By the nature of my work, I visit different countries.  By the way, I will be in China soon.  This is the question I'm interested in.  If there is anyone from China.  Write how you can play online gambling from your country. 
Is it possible? 
Or it's illegal and it's better not to even try.  Because it might not be safe for you?

I wouldn't even think about the site if it was down or a scam because it's not worth going for. Many other casino sites can still provide the best service to their members.

But it's a different matter if he has used a lot of money and suddenly the site is down or if it is a scam, which has happened to many people. This is a lesson for all of us that we must be very careful when choosing a casino site and not just follow suggestions from other people or search engines that we find out there. We still have to see how the casino site evaluates, so we don't get sucked in by their good offers.

usually gambling sites don't require KYC is a natural thing, but if it's the website you mentioned it seems like some people say this is a scam. I don't have a referral for it because I'm new to the casino, if you ever put money there you should leave it because it will be difficult to get money that has been cheated.

I think the last time I check this thread, the link was still working fine but now it doesn't work anymore. Oh well, that wasn't a loss to us and it's better actually that it shut down if they are truly suspicious. Scams can happen anywhere including in the field of crypto and gambling but there will always be a way to avoid them.

As for your question, I search if what is the status of gambling in China and found out that gambling is illegal on most parts of it but gambling in Macau is legal. Macau was even titled as the gambling capital before. Good luck by the way on your trip if you are planning to go on there soon. For now, you can play online casino. We have a lot of trusted casinos lying around in the forum and some don't require or mandate a KYC.

It is that a casino that does not ask for KYC cannot be considered a scam, that is something that can be left aside, there are some casinos and platforms that are very famous and have free KYC, and they are platforms that have good faucets, this It is what makes these platforms great, most of the casinos that are new have good things, but when they offer a lot of free things or too many things that are very good, people are always suspicious because it can turn out to be a trap, and that is very true because I have witnessed how a casino can sometimes deceive many players and they do not pay them or do anything like that to comply.

A centralized entity claiming to "never" require KYC should be taken with doubt, cynicism, and distrust. Because in actuality, centralized entities/casinos, if they are legitimate, have already accepted the trade-offs that they do indeed should require KYC on their users to comply with anti-money laundering laws. No service can go around it, except if they build their casinos on top of the Bitcoin blockchain like DirectBet did.

Once, 7-8 years ago, no one needed any KYC, and all transactions in cryptocurrency on a deposit in a casino or from a casino account to a player’s wallet went through without problems. 
These were glorious times when no one asked you to take a picture of your face with a piece of paper with today's date or keep some kind of your document next to your face.  And take pictures like that too.  All this is actually just a damn theater of the absurd, invented by the banking lobby of American bankers.  Bankers who put the whole world on shitty loans and mortgages.  And now they are watching the owners of cryptocurrencies.  Of course, legislators require the introduction of KYC from large online casinos.  And they, of course, are law-abiding citizens and cannot refuse.  Even though these casinos are losing most of their customers - players who cannot or do not want to lose their anonymity.  And there can be many reasons to remain anonymous in gambling.  From problems in the family to problems at work.  And even with the tax authorities.  And by the way, players from a number of countries cannot play calmly when they are required to KYC. 
And you have to play in those casinos where KYC is not required.  And everyone is happy.  And the number of scams is not increasing. 

So deceit and blatant lies are all anti-money laundering.

Post a list that contains those casinos that, have a thread of their own in BitcoinTalk, that have the trust of the community, and that clearly indicates in their TOS that they won't ask for KYC.

I believe all of the most trusted casinos in the forum will ask many users for KYC after a period of time. It's merely a trade-off accepted because it's a requirment from the government.

But now it seems that crypto casinos have started implementing KYC for their members, and although KYC is still randomly selecting their members, it might become more strict in the future. But if the casino doesn't ask for KYC, it's possible that it still allows its members to play without verifying their accounts. But someday, its members must be ready if asked to do KYC. And those of us who are used to looking up casinos from these forums will surely know which casinos implement KYC. New casinos may not implement KYC because they want to get attention from more gamblers, so they waive KYC. But one day, if the new casino becomes more popular, there is a possibility that it will implement KYC as well.

Sorry beforehand, I rarely explore new casinos. So, it's only natural that I didn't know about the many new casinos that had sprung up. and does this casino have an ANN thread here, I personally don't have a problem with regard to KYC, the most important thing is that the casino meets the standards and reputation that has been tested. because after all we prioritize our security, instead of without KYC but if in the end the fraud becomes our loss. and can this zhb77 casino be relied on, the problem is that several other members said they already had problems with the casino.

Actually, I have no personal interest here. it's just that there are a few interesting ones, especially elements that lead to negative things. however, if this casino has a good reputation and integrity. at the very least, the person in charge of this casino should give a statement.

The new casino rules will benefit the users because they don't apply KYC and other things that make it easier to create anonymous accounts, but you have to consider the reputation and security of the new casinos and many cases of fraud start from the new casinos which offer attractive offers for new users but

Avoiding KYC regulations is not a solution to getting involved in new casinos whose reputation and security cannot be verified, new casinos are still prone to scams because there is no guarantee that new casinos without KYC rules can be trusted.

"MAY NOT" implement KYC. Does the casino say clearly that "THEY WON'T" implement KYC in their Terms of Service? That's perhaps why there are many users in the forum/community who are forced to make brand new accounts to keep their anonymity/privacy, and then make accusations about the casino not letting them withdraw because the casino actually starts implementing KYC.


Plus does the casino have a campaign maintained by a reputable user, or simply validated as trustowrthy by many reputable users.

That's why I don't like using the new casino to play gambling because I'm worried about fraud cases committed by the new casino. Even though it might benefit us since we are early adopters in the casino, it's still not worth it. But if the casino can provide other evidence that can be used as material for our consideration to play safely at their place, maybe we can try to use the casino as a place to play gambling. But we also have to know not to use too much money for gambling because we are still in the trial and error stage to determine how the casino will perform. And we really have to avoid casinos like that so we don't get involved in fraud cases that often happen to many people.

It is like the famous phrase of Blessed are those who are wisely chosen not to present KYC, I do have blood to be asked for KYC and sometimes it is a bit annoying, firstly because my papers that I present are not in my name because I live in a residence, it's not in my own home, so sometimes they push back my documentation and complying and looking for more requirements to be in another country is very difficult, when they put up with all those things I prefer not to be in that casino, simple , I go to another, and that is what happens with the majority of players, they prefer to go to other casinos.

If that's the case for you, maybe you need to find another reputable casino that doesn't ask for KYC or if you want to play gambling, don't use big money because so far, gamblers who use big money are asked to do KYC. But the casino can change the rules if the regulators ask for them to be changed, and the casinos can only comply. I think if we only play gambling with small money, we don't need to do KYC, especially if we play only occasionally, and it's different from other people who play almost daily. Hopefully, the casinos hear us as small gamblers, so they don't ask us to do KYC in the future.

That is very true, now it cannot be surprising that there are many casinos that are completely asking for KYC, either at the entrance (Registration) or when a withdrawal is made, in the same way I think that now the whole trend will be towards that, no we have to fight a lot or go against the tide, and that is something that is very difficult, either due to the requirement of the licenses or for the casino to have more authenticity, and so that it is always with the legal bases according to the country where the casino operates. Some people who always seek to have more good things, or more benefits in a casino, sometimes this is the price they must pay.

Well, of course, this is a requirement of the government, and even more, now the banking magnates of the world are already inscribing this damn requirement into the legislation of most countries of the world.  And they try to keep everyone on a "short leash" like dogs.  In which case, once, and, sit, "once" do not yelp, be silent * pay, otherwise, we will take away housing, cars, and hurt, if you lost a lot, spent too much.  Total control is a disgusting thing.  I say that with the introduction of KYC in cryptocurrency casinos, everything is under control again, which contradicts the very essence of Satoshi Nakamoto's invention.   >:(

Now 14 years have passed, and everything has been ruined again with the mandatory introduction of kyc identification in cryptocurrency transactions with casinos and other institutions.

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I used to play on one of the well-known casino sites.
And indeed, when I registered and deposited a small amount, I was not asked to make a KYC.
However, after a while, I was able to collect winning money from betting in a fairly large amount. However, the site still asked to make a KYC when I withdrew all the money that was in the casino's wallet.
I don't know why this could happen and after thinking about it logically, indeed creating KYC can actually provide benefits for its users because it can provide security for every user and also the casino owner.

We will not be able to go against the grain by not wanting to do KYC at the casinos where we often gamble. Casinos can immediately close their accounts that want to avoid following their rules because they are also required to follow the rules of the regulator. Many of us want to avoid getting into trouble at casinos and keep looking for other casinos that can provide comfort in playing because that can make us stay there. But sometimes, some don't agree with the KYC implemented before this KYC trend emerged, making them look for other casinos.

That's true, and some casinos still allow us to remain a little gambler, and as long as we don't cross the limits set, the casinos won't check our account either. They may ask it one day, but we can hope it will not happen for little gamblers. And if we get comfort and security while at the casino, we can continue doing KYC so that we can get all the facilities from the casino for those who have already verified.

All casinos should be able to accept us as little gamblers, because we are both customers and users of the business they run.
If each casino only accepts professional gamblers with high betting amounts, it is certain that the casino will lose many users.
Inside the casino itself there are thousands or even millions of users consisting of small gamblers and big gamblers. So casino managers must remain fair and sporty towards every gambler.
(Even when it comes to bonuses, it is true that bonuses will be given in larger amounts to those who already have a very large number of bets).

Maybe the casino will still check the suspected account even though the account has done KYC. Whether it's suspicion about the deposit amount being only a small amount but when withdrawing a large amount or other suspicions, we as users ourselves don't know anything about it.

Well, I have always been a fan of Chinese games, I am very attracted to them, but the ones that are from there, and my taste is such that I want to learn to speak in Mandarin, I don't think so to write it, because I see it as very complicated, but Until what time I have been in the csinos I have not seen any that are only for traditional games, and I do not know if in China they have casinos that do not have to do with roulette, or slots but only for Chinese games.

The people who are from here in the forum can give a good verdict of how things are there, because the control there is quite strict, the government wants to have control of everything.

That's true because there are lots of little gamblers who like to play gambling in casinos, allowing them to play gambling. Apart from that, there are young gamblers with a lot of money but are very strict about spending money to play gambling. This is a potential target because once they become addicted to gambling, they can spend more on gambling. If casinos can pay attention to this and still provide room for young gamblers, they may be able to get additional income from the many young gamblers.

And even though the little gamblers will spend a lot of money later and be asked to do KYC because they have crossed the limits set by the casino, they will do it with heart because they can find comfort in playing gambling. It's the key to it all, and if the casinos could provide it, many gamblers would be betting big bucks.

I would rather have a verified account, I have nothing to hide and I do not want to be betting against others that are playing with money that may not have paid taxes and may have been illegally obtained. It is not fair, because they can afford to loose much more than me and still be well-off. You must consider if a site that does not offer verification is really for you.

https://www.zhb77.com/ looks down from here. btc365.com seems to be run by a Bulgarian company with a license from Montenegro. I wasn't able to find any connection with China. Your main requirement for it is to be Chinese or without KYC?

Yes, indeed I also did that same research a long time ago, in fact here on the forum there was a thread where they talked about Macao and all the options they had for the casinos, and for some it was an extreme freedom that was very useful for the casinos. big Chinese players and their whales, it is obvious that in a country as big as China there has to be gambling, I consider China one of the strongest countries in the world and that they should also be developed in every way, and this should include freedoms for people to be able to have fun as they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone, I think it should be a right, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong but even if others play games with stolen money, there is no direct harm to you or anyone. Isn't the real "loser" in this case the casino itself if those users can win big and then never bet again (or complicate them with money laundering issues)? Why do you want them to play with you on "equal ground"? To borrow from a gaming term, this is not a PVP gacha game where more money equals more wins by beating other players (except for getting bonuses when they make profits).

Also, I don't think the "I have nothing to hide so here's my ID" is really a good stance in this case. There are tons of sites that use those data for malicious purposes. I definitely would not prefer a site over another just because they offer KYC verification if the team itself is not clear. This might sound like a contradiction, but it is really hard to "trust" new businesses if they don't show anything that can be traced back to them if things go south. In this case, I'd rather wait and see or use them carefully with less money and always withdraw my money when I finished my business. Which is why I think a trustless platform would be great to have.

That sounds capitalistic. I doubt China loves something like that (the ideology itself, not the economic system). There is so many news on the crackdown on gambling platforms so it makes sense that those players will use overseas platforms if they want to gamble. I don't think this is surprising anyway, people would try to break the law if opportunity arise when they consider it is worth the risk.

  - What you said is true, it's really scary to try a new casino here in cryptocurrency, that's why if we can't stop ourselves from depositing money to gamble, we should try it with a small amount first.

Don't immediately enter a small amount because gambling platforms often want the gamblers' money to run out of them only to lose.

Yes, I really think that in this era there are more and more young gamblers and they are willing to spend their money betting at casinos and casinos use this opportunity as a way to attract the interest of young gamblers.
Because maybe they feel like they want to get large amounts of money in a short time and are still in the happy phase of betting.
But actually this is really a pity because they are still young and have a long way to go in the future.
But after all, what's called a business is still a business. Casino managers are only in the business of providing gambling sites or places, so whether the users are old or young is not the business of the casino.

By having a verification account, at least we are not trying to go against the rules implemented at the casino so that something we don't want doesn't happen. But we really have to find a casino that can protect our data from being hacked so that hackers don't misuse customer data. I have no problem verifying, but if I can still gamble anonymously, I will continue.

And we are very lucky because we can deposit a small amount of money into the casino. The average casino has a minimum deposit of $ 5-$ 10, so we can use this as experimental material to see how the casino performs. And don't ever try to deposit money into an unclear casino because we don't know the casino either. Maybe we should wait until we can find the reviews first, and then we can give it a try to see how the site works.

That's the appeal of a casino where casinos will use various ways to attract the interest of gamblers and people who don't understand how gambling works. And the casinos have successfully invited these young gamblers to return to the casinos because they provide various promotions that will entice them to deposit their money again. Well, it's unfortunate, but we also can't do anything because it's their responsibility to keep their money in gambling. Casinos only provide entertainment for them, and the rest is up to them.

One reason I think there are many teens now doing online gambling is that there are many advertised online casino over the internet compared before and there are many streamers now streaming gambling games more than ever and this is why I think teens are trying to find these casino that has no KYC that's why they are mostly going to use a crypto casino that has no strict KYC rules. It's just sad that many teens get this kind of privilege to play in online casinos right now. KYC will always be the way to avoid or reduce teens playing on a casino but yeah as an adult I hate KYC.

That is if it's mandatory for the site to have a verified account but if not then there is no problem if users will comply on it or not. It does not mean that you are hiding or avoiding something. No we shouldn't think like that. Instead, can we just think that we just want simplicity and doesn't want some hassles? It also has to do with our privacy.

It's only the hackers that can misuse the users' KYC but it can also be done by the casino itself if they have a hidden agenda. They can also sell it for an extra profit. I think there is no way to tell this and maybe there are some legit casinos who are secretly doing this? I hope I am wrong with this one.

If verification is optional, we also don't have to do KYC. It is a choice given by the casino to the gambler and the gambler should be free to choose it. We're not trying to hide or avoid verification but because it's not mandatory in casinos, we can choose not to do KYC. We don't expect casinos to sell their customer data to third parties to get additional profit but it can happen, especially for casinos that don't have a good reputation and are only thinking about making more profit. If the casino does this, I'm sure that one day someone or many people will know about that and the casino will suffer losses or it could cause bankruptcy.

Even though gambling or betting is actually their right, but myself, if I find out that there is a teenager who is starting to be active in gambling, I will actually give advice and directions to be able to reduce or just limit the gambling they do.
Actually I feel sad when I see a teenager gambling, those who are supposed to be studying are starting to get addicted to gambling.
I have heard a lot about teenagers who are addicted to gambling to the point where they have large enough debt that some sell their parents' house to pay off debts and can continue to play or bet.

Yes, when it comes to KYC verification, then there is only one advantage of it, which is as you said preventing teenagers to gamble on their platform other than this I don't see any usefulness in this KYC verification at all. However, this cannot be stopped as there are still many casino sites where you need to create an account with your email address and you are good to go. Yes, these sites are good for privacy. But they encourage minors to gamble. I am also not in favor of KYC verification but this is something that makes me think about it.

I have seen that this btc365.com is listed in Scam site. Cause they are also getting fake certificates and that's not good. That's why I try to avoid these scam sites cause loot a lot of new people and that's not so much good.
I have tried https://bitsler.com that was just so much good and also I have not even any bothering regarding withdrawls and also there was no kyc.

Numerous gamblers have discussed this site here, yet as of yet, no claims that it is a scam have been made, at least not without supporting evidence. This is one of the better options for Chinese bookies because they do not require KYC, but if the rumors are accurate, it would be best to give up and choose another choice. Consider using a cryptocurrency gambling site that accepts Chinese players as well, as there is now a ban in your nation and you may run into trouble if you continue to avoid it.

Still there are many countries in the world where Casinos are not legal. There are some reasons for this. Casinos nowadays act as a medium for money laundering. Not only that, many of the minors have been destroyed themself. I trust the casino's KYC if it is reliable. In my opinion KYC is necessary for every gambler but it must be a rule. Those who gamble with big bets should be looked at, while those with low bets or limits should not be imposed. But casino owners do various things outside of this policy to make money which should never be done. KYC needs to be made mandatory in some cases and may be decrease in some fields.

And hopefully, we are not too late in giving advice and directions to teenagers who are starting to gamble actively because, usually at their age, they tend to find it difficult to accept suggestions and directions from other people because they want to be recognized as someone who can control themselves. We have to be smart in finding ways so they can take it well and start doing what we suggest to them. I am sad to see teenagers gambling, but I can't force them to stop and stay away from gambling unless their parents ask them to stop. Teenagers should think more about their lives and try to prepare themselves to face the challenges that will come in the future.

Of course it's bad when teenagers start getting addicted to gambling.  This can actually lead to mental illness of the top gamer.   >:(

But it seems like a slightly different topic is being discussed here? 
I have long been a person who hates KYC and everything related to verifying the identity of a person when it comes to payments in cryptocurrencies.  This damn KYC completely negates all the advantages of being anonymous, independent of the rotten, rotten banking system.  Not without reason, until now, no one knows who Satoshi Nakamoto really was!  So it's always bad when some casino or bookmaker working in cryptocurrencies starts requiring KYC!  And of course this applies to all countries and jurisdictions. 
And China too, of course. 
Although this huge country certainly lives by its own rules.  And by the way, it is developing very actively.  And I think their vector of development of their civilization is very good for the Chinese themselves. 

By the way, unlike the development vector of the USA, where everything is very bad and just bad with the development of society.  They obviously went to the wrong place for civilization. 
American capitalism is bullshit!!!

KYC is definitely a trouble if you care about your privacy. On the other hand, if there is a platform that claims there is no need for KYC but they have an unclear background, the chances of scams are high. Like it or not, business needs to comply with the regulation if they want to survive unless they are dealing with illegal stuff. The only choice left is a trustless platform that utilizes smart contracts to make sure the deal is fair and square. However, the tech is not mature enough judging from how often we see a platform hack or something similar like that.

It is better to do kyc because if you use a no kyc site and gamble there regularly then any time they ask you for KYC you are bound to do it so it is better to start gambling at a trusted casino site from the beginning and get KYC verified there.  Well it will surely give you chance to gamble there. But if you gamble on a non KYC site then a fear will work in you that anytime they may ask you for kyc.  Or your account may be compromised. So it is better to be clear from the beginning

The government is so unhappy with the anonymity offered by crypto that they started enforcing KYC on crypto casinos. If only the government could understand that they could not immediately monitor all of their citizens down to detail because their citizens also need some privacy in their lives. And we as citizens can't do anything because we must comply with their request. After all, if we don't, we will be accused of breaking the rules, which will burden us as citizens. Wherever it is, the citizens will certainly feel the impact of the regulations.

But we are still lucky because several casinos still allow their members to play gambling without doing KYC. And whether it's a casino from China or another, we know where to play gambling that doesn't require KYC. And usually, the casino will ask KYC for its members who look suspicious, while other members who don't look suspicious can play gambling as usual. But other members may also be asked to do KYC one day.

Most of this sites are scam, maybe they even pay on start as btc365.com but after some time they refuse all withdraws

That's why I pity and care more for those who are still teenagers when they spend their teenage life and are addicted to the world of gambling.
It is indeed very difficult to be able to give advice or advice to someone who is crazy about gambling, whether he is a teenager or even an adult.
Because gambling itself is an activity that can really make a person lose awareness that this can make him regret it later on, although there are indeed some gambling enthusiasts who have managed to change their lives and can make gambling their job.
But there aren't many, just a few, and even then because they can do everything they can to win a gambling game and it takes a long time to become truly skilled at gambling.
Even if their parents forbade gambling, they would not be able to make a teenager stop, unless of their own free will.

That's why if we have children growing up, we must be careful to advise them so they don't get angry or take offence at us. This also depends on how parents educate their children. I'm sure if parents always accompany their children from childhood to adulthood, even until they get married, their children will not take the wrong path. Their children will follow their parents' advice and not try to gamble because they already know the consequences.

But if their children are already familiar with gambling and their parents know about it, they should approach them as parents who care about their children and not let them sink into solitude. Being a parent is not easy because their children's lives depend on how well parents can educate them.

Still depends on how parents handle some certain situation while their child grow up because if they wrongly guide them by letting their children get what they want and didn't correct the mistake they take for sure those kind of child will grow as entitled person since they always think they are right. This is one of the reason why its really better at early stage that they realize about the mistake they do is so wrong and they need to do something to fix it to make them more mature and properly balance some situation especially on things thay can cause them harm like this gambling and other more risky things.

Any other website with same odds platform as btc365.com?

There are some gambling sites with no KYC and that you can gamble and they are still reputable, but I have not done that beyond this forum, only on this forum that I see that. Aside the gambling sites on this forum, if I want to choose a gambling site, I will just go for KYC gambling sites. But what is most important is not KYC, it is obtaining a license and how old a gambling site is. Some people do not even care much about license, what they care about is a casino has been existing for a long time without unsolved cases of customers that compalined about the casino of fraud and inability to withdraw.

And now you've seen several cases where parents need to pay more attention to how their children grow and develop because they are busier with their own businesses. Their children are starting to get busy with their own world by using the devices given to them by their parents to the point that they don't pay attention to their own lives. And this is what triggers many cases of teenagers who are misdirected in socializing and some who end up committing juvenile crimes. This should not be allowed to happen to our children, especially if we care so much about their lives. After all, their life in the future will also depend on how we can educate them.

And once they find gambling can be an outlet for what is happening in their life, they will use it continuously, and it will trigger other problems where they can experience gambling addiction. And nowadays, they can get many gambling sites that will never ask them to do KYC. These sites come from countries from the west and the east that have started developing their gambling business.

Such as which please?

I have already written here on BTT several times that I am a strong opponent of passing kyc identification when it comes to payments in cryptocurrencies. 
I am such a convinced opponent and remain.  However, your argument that teenagers can use gambling sites where there is no KYC procedure puzzled me.  Indeed, there is a danger that such children and adolescents may become addicted to gambling.  And even become addicted to gambling, which of course is very bad.  And it should be taken into account that young people and teenagers are very well versed in information technology and can easily find ways to bypass various blockages.  Perhaps protecting children and teenagers from gambling sites that are intended for adults, people of legal age with the help of KYC is the only case where I myself would also support the introduction of this identification. 

Otherwise, in the cryptocurrency market, KYC is a damn evil that needs to be fought.

Better it could not have been said, when we comply with the KYC requirements we can forget about some inconveniences that may arise, all the casinos that I have been entering have seen that they have many KYC requirements, and requirements that are quite serious, I have fulfilled some KYC that are called first level, there are other levels of KYC where they demand a lot for the documents and sometimes the documents are not in very good condition and that is the only reason they are rejected and that becomes a problem, that has happened to me many times and you When they get into things like that, I always go to another casino, it's the best solution.

Most of them doesnt require KYC on the time that you would really be making up some registration but into those terms and conditions that you agreed upon do state that they have the rights on asking out later
on the time that they would be seeing some suspicious actions made by your account and the worst whenever you do win big then this is the time that they would be asking up some questions which is something
not really that surprising for them to do so. This is why if we do speak about DEX then it would be particularly be pertaining on 3.0 but honestly people should really be that accepting on what we are currently
been using up today.Laws and regulations are something inevitable for us to be able to experience it out and as long these platforms are centralized then they are really that been following regulations.

There are numerous website that do this. It's a little tricky especially if you are not fond of reading. If you are one of most players that do not really read the terms of service because it's just too long, then most probably you are not aware that some casinos run like this.

Some casinos do not really require KYC in the beginning at the very least. This is because they are well-aware that not all gamblers are in favor with it. Which is the reason why some of them came up with a solution of just asking it whenever they deem necessary. In most cases, KYC are often asked when there's unusual activity on your account and when you plan to withdraw your winnings whether it may be big or small.

Most gambling sites now require KYC upfront and on the latter part. The gambling world is becoming more and more centralized. I don't know if it's a positive thing or not. But I guess it will depend on how we will view it according to our situation.

I think most gamblers only focus on the convenience and security of the gambling platform and the reputation of the casino from the community's assessment, I do not exclude KYC requests but almost all the top casinos have added KYC to the terms and conditions. In another case, the user has lost his mobile and he has lost access to all data and gambling accounts stored on the mobile, he cannot recover the gambling account and the casino platform team also cannot recover the user's account ownership without saving the KYC of the previous main user, so KYC is not too bad for proof of account ownership but only for trusted and top reputed casinos.

Come to mind off that before this crypto market in gambling industry had existed, we had been dealing with centralized things already with fiat based online casinos which these are things not to be shocking anymore since people had already that experience in dealing it on the past.Crypto gambling did really just become that popular or known because of the accessibility and the anonymity on which a certain
gambler would able to make on unlike when we do make use of our credit/debit cards on those usual fiat casino sites.Its true that this isnt something you dont like for it to happen where these anonymous
things do happen and then suddenly make those changes and asking out for some verification as we do go ahead on future years to come.Laws and regulations becomes even more tighter
which it isnt really  that surprising anymore.

So which websites use same platform as btc365.com? KYC or no KYC

It was the bonus actually is the thing that many gamblers focus at then the next thing would be security or other features such as games and, costumer support and the sites design. Convenience and security are contradicting and should not come together because when we say convenient, this should mean that the site don't have KYC and other hassles like 2fa.

Most casinos are using email addresses for logging in so even if we lost our phones, it is still possible to access our accounts. If ever it was a phone number that is required to login then we still can try emailing them and ask for a help about this matter. There might still be a way to recover it even without a KYC.

How would it be possible to claim against the casino or site - not that is not difficult even in big and KYC compliant sites - if there is no KYC. You basically are creating a contract without one of the basic elements of it: identification of the parts that intervene in the contract. It is not valid in any jurisdiction whatsoever... user 7774LLO is not a legal entity so cannot have rights recognise?

I mean that teenagers can easily visit any site, including gambling sites, even though the gambling sites have KYC procedures that are difficult to pass. They can easily borrow an adult's identity to pass KYC to play gambling like adults. Especially if the teenager finds a crypto-based gambling site that doesn't strictly enforce KYC, they can skip it and start gambling. And with crypto, they can also get crypto to use for gambling. So with the convenience of today's technology, it is not difficult for teenagers to play gambling and pass KYC. Maybe that's why KYC is implemented in some casinos to protect youths and adults from KYC abuse.

Yes, going to another casino would be the best solution, especially if it involves completing KYC using more complete documents so that our accounts are verified. And with so many casinos asking us to do KYC, it seems that in the future, we will find it difficult to avoid this KYC, but hopefully, the casinos will understand that there are gamblers who play with small money and don't want KYC. And hopefully, there are still casinos that aren't too strict, so we can still play gambling without having to do KYC.

I think that gradually all casinos will be divided into two large groups. 
The first group will be clearly law-abiding and will introduce strict KYC, as required by the American authorities and, after them, jurisdictions that are very afraid of the Americans and will also force casinos to introduce KYC.  Otherwise, the authorities will apply repression up to the ban on the operation of this casino in the country.  Of course, there are many such countries that are afraid of Americans like fire, more than half of those that sit in the UN.  Even, perhaps more than 3/4. 
But fortunately :), there are countries that would not care about the global usa dictatorship.  And they don’t give a damn about this damn KYC invented by American bankers.  And of course, in such jurisdictions, casinos will be able to work with players without KYC.  Especially when the amounts are really small.  And this will be the second group of casinos.  By the way, I think that millions of gamblers prefer to remain anonymous. 
And this huge number of people certainly need online casino sites without any personal identification, such as KYC.

What you say is justifiable. but in truth, the KYC function is not what you say. maybe in the case that you say, KYC can be very useful in recovering the ownership of his gambling account. At present, almost all gambling sites require KYC as a regulatory and license requirement, especially the casinos that we have in our community. especially casinos that have big names, even though the implementation of KYC in each casino varies according to needs or a certain level.

For me personally, as long as the casino has a credible and trustworthy reputation i have no problem with KYC. because after all, gradually all casinos will enforce KYC as one of the requirements. like it or not, one must be willing to fulfill KYC requirements which in the end, gradually everyone will get used to KYC.

Yes, it's like I said, personally I don't have much to say if I have to provide KYC documentation, but there are some really very strict sites, and no, a lot of effort is already made when a KYC is going to be given, but be aware that it is You must have more documentation or even worse, leave everything and do not verify it because the documents do not seem clear enough, that is already something that not even a bank would bother to do, besides that I am a lazy person, that I don't like that they are bothering me for documents or something like that, so that partly bothers me, that's what happened to me with some casinos and exchanges.

actually KYC is just compliance we have to do to qualify from the casino and it really isn't that bad. very true what you said, all the top casinos all have terms and conditions to do KYC and I think all that because the gambling is also licensed.
so there is no doubt that if online casino gambling has a license and has a good reputation, surely they will have rules or conditions for carrying out KYC before betting.

But I continue to think and argue that when payments during gambling are made using cryptocurrencies, then the KYC procedure is a damn evil, an invention by the American banking lobby and reflected in the US legislation. 
And then it was spread around the world because all local legislators and governments look with their mouths open and give in to these American alleged "masters of the world" because they are issuers of paper money, and now even simpler numbers in a computer in the form of newly created dollars.  Everyone knows that the US authorities went crazy on the question of how to rip off their people with taxes and fines, if they filled out something wrong in the declaration.  So they came up with this KYC of their own.  Fortunately, not all countries are subject to the Americans. There are also countries who spit on their demands.  And their territories may well host crypto casinos where no KYC is needed and players can easily play without this stupid verification.  And besides, there are many more scammers in the simple dollar payments sector, and not in the cryptocurrency sector.  And all these are fairy tales and legends that cryptocurrency is only for money laundering and for scammers.  It is the banking lobbies that spread such advertising, scaring ordinary people. 
And it's understandable why.  To get more loans and mortgages.  And, accordingly, more income for bankers.

We are close to launch and we are going to accept players from anywhere and no KYC ever !

Cloudbeting is nithing different from cloud mining so any gambking project based on cloud cyber is not reliable and can lead to scam, i still prefer to play on kyc casino that have some of reputation and traction in the business for a while.

I also advise everyone to trade with caution.

It is better to not make promises which are impossible to fulfill, maybe when a casino is small they can get away with this, but as soon as you begin to manage a high volume of money through your casino then you will get the attention of the regulators which will basically give you two options, to follow the rules or shutdown, and if you have to confront that situation I would expect for you to follow the regulations put in place and ask for all kind of identifying documents from gamblers from that point on.

Better if they can make exceptions and that is they should only accept centralized cryptos if KYC is one of their requirements before a person can gamble on them, so that people won't bash them as we think this is contradicting to the true purpose of decentralized cryptos which is to offer anonymity and free from control.

I am glad that there are still countries who are against with the US idea about KYC but I am afraid these countries will soon be threatened out by the US and then the no KYC casino that they have created will be shut down. Better watch out for this possibility or always stay updated about the news that your casino is giving to avoid losing your funds.

If he were really serious about his business, he would eventually launch his website to the public after ensuring everything was running smoothly. And if one day, the casino can grow big and the regulators approach the casino to follow the rules, that will not be a problem. But hopefully, the casino won't ask its users to do KYC so that we as gamblers who will later try to play at the casino, won't find it difficult to follow the rules.

So true.
I also agree with you that it doesn't matter if we provide KYC if it is really needed as a condition in a casino that is trusted and has a good reputation in the gambling industry.
The casino will also not use data on KYC to commit a crime because if they manage the casino properly they can get huge profits so it is impossible to commit a crime by utilizing user data from KYC.
As crypto casinos develop, I am also sure that each of these casinos will also impose KYC requirements on each of their customers in the future.

If you provide KYC data to the wrong casino, there is no guarantee that your data will be safe, like you join a new project but you don't do any research before submitting KYC data. So make sure you provide KYC data for reputable, licensed and trusted casinos.

The implementation of KYC requirements at each casino is due to licensing regulations, so you must understand about the statement and not because the factor of the development of casinos will add KYC requirements in the future.

agree with you.
better to do KYC now than promise no KYC in fact be asked for KYC after the platform grows bigger.
there are many cases like this when the casino is still new giving very definite promises not caring about KYC but after the casino has been running for a long time and has become a little big, they forget about the initial agreement and after that ask all gamblers to do KYC in every withdrawal in small or large amounts.

I agree that you should verify a gambling facility's legitimacy before supplying personal information. Protecting your identity and finances is crucial. As widely assumed, casinos employ KYC standards owing to license limits, not as a trend or expansion plan. Thus, internet gamers should be cautious

Second the motion as we all know there are many casino who offer or saying that they don't have any KYC but in the end when you are going to withdraw your winning then they start asking KYC so its not a good practice promising that they don't have KYC as we all know that promises are ment to be broken. Its better to say that KYC is a must rather than catching the attention of a gambler using lie it because they promise that theres no KYC.

We can conclude that there is no casino that does not require KYC even though it is not stated in the terms and conditions, so any non-KYC gambler is not guaranteed anonymous because they will be asked for KYC at any time even if the casino is not licensed, the purpose of the casino is to require KYC because gamblers will make withdrawals From winning on slots, gamblers have no guarantee of being able to withdraw funds because the casino will not verify the KYC provided, so it is better to switch to choosing a top casino that has been recommended in forums.

When the KYC is done to withdraw a specific amount, be it a little or a lot, they achieve what they want, the Chinese have many things that are prohibited, it does not seem strange to me that they have prohibited casinos or that they demand strong KYC, it is said that In China there is everything, and there should be casinos that are without KYC, but it is like looking for the gold in a pagjar, you should do it, but they can be treated as fraudulent sites where you cannot trust, some fraudulent sites do not survive in bitcointalk, because there are experts who verify that a casino is legal and always pays and does not steal from its players.

it would be even better if you want to bet on online gambling it's better to do KYC earlier than having to ask for KYC when you want to withdraw big wins and it will usually take a very long time.
It doesn't matter if the casino is part of China or not for sure online casino is now popular with KYC and better do it earlier than we have problems in the future

Personally I think that the Chinese casino platforms attract my attention, because I know that the Chinese have a lot of development, they always look for ways to keep entertainment, and the games that are local, the ones that they have as traditional, I have always liked, despite the fact that I don't understand them, I don't see that they are very interesting, I would like a caisnio that is clearly part of that Chinese culture, I would like to have more of these ocpineos, we are used to entering casinos where they offer us roulette wheels, slot machines, dice, another one would be excellent way to be able to play with games of Chinese culture, I don't know if at that level the problem would also be exacerbated with KYC?

Today is the 1st time I am seeing this casino probably I have seen it but have not taken cognisant for the site. I also noticed casinos launched by Chinese companies, it caused traffic, Chinese are talented to create animations that very attractive. That is why in their number not population they still have a lot of ways to make money. They are not like other countries that says they can't do anything because of the high rate of population. China have a lot entertainments. China is not like Japan that restricts gambling.
I don't think there will be any exacerbation of KYC.

Yes you are right that mate as a gambler we need to look for a good casino, a casino that trusted enough, the casino that truly recommend from forums cause it will make as our Identity secure if they will ask KYC because most of all casino here in forum or outside of the forum ask KYC for withdrawals and even in deposit. Also  the surprise of other casino is there ad we all know that some casino not endecate in thier terms of condition about KYC but when you are going to withdraw they will ask you.

I believe that all of the casino should indicate their rules such as KYC on their terms and condition. If they haven't indicated about it, Gamblers would assume that the casino is not requiring gamblers to submit their KYC. In the future it will cause a problem between the gamblers and the casino if terms aren't indicated. If we are on the situation that there are problem on a casino that haven't indicated about KYC, Gambler has the upper hand in this kind of situation no matter how you look at it knowing that the gambler doesn't broke any rules. Casino can easily be tagged as a scammer if they refuse to pay. Though it is unlikely to happen that the casino wouldn't or forgot to put a KYC policy knowing it is a very important part.

Choosing the best casino recommended on the forum will be better, although we have to do KYC verification in the end. At least, we hope these best casinos can maintain customer data properly and not abuse it. Using the best casino, we won't worry about anything because the best casinos can provide the best for their customers. That way, as long as we play and withdraw the winning money, there won't be any problems.

For some reason, all of you, colleagues, think that KYC verification gives you a lot of all kinds of guarantees.
 To some extent, of course, this is the case.  But when you come to the KYC verification procedures, then your identity will always appear in the customer bases of a particular casino.  And these very databases, according to the casino devs, are strictly confidential. 
But in real life, such statements are just convincing clients that verification is completely safe and this data will never get anywhere.  However, life shows that the theft of such information takes place.  And we hear about such incidents all the time.  For example, even Ledger had data of almost a million buyers stolen a couple of years ago.  And there was quite a big scandal.  And this is from such a powerful well-known company.  What do you think, can the security of personal data be ensured at the highest level simply by ordinary casino sites? 
Yes, of course not!  So KYC can turn into a leak of personal data to public networks for you too.  Keep this in mind.  And the main information here - is that you are gambling in a casino with cryptocurrency.  And that means you have cryptocurrency. :)

Cryptocurrency casinos do not want to do this because if gamblers were given two options to play at a casino which asked for their documents upfront or to play at a casino which only asked this information on the case of a big withdrawal, then most gamblers will prefer to play at the second casino, casinos know this and if possible they want to avoid losing customers in this way, now this does not stop a gambler from trying to identify himself earlier but this is not a very common posture among gamblers, which prefer to be anonymous for as long as they can.

The issue with KYC is that it only favours the casino and little on players since if the casino can hust offer games and play win on these games, but in the case of license and account limitation, kyc favours both bht gamblers prefer not to reveal their identity.

A/ Yeah that would be the case for other casinos not for us we are located in Costa Rica and we are not required to ask for KYC ;)


A/ Yeap we are serious we are not going to ask for KYC ever !


A/ We are not going to do that when you try to withdraw

Data leaks can indeed occur on any site, including casino sites because we are on the internet where the risk of theft and hacking or identity selling has occurred everywhere. But we can't refuse a casino asking us to do KYC because it's their rule for all of its members. And if we don't want to do KYC, we can move to another casino. It's that simple.

Indeed, we use cryptocurrencies for gambling but the regulators are already monitoring cryptocurrency casinos so they apply or adjust their regulations on crypto casinos. Moreover, the popularity of crypto is getting bigger and there are also more crypto users. And many people use crypto to play gambling so the regulator wants to know who are the people who use crypto through casinos.

Data leaks and hacks is one of the major cons of online platforms and casinos are not excluded, though I personally have not come across any news of a casino being hacked since I started gambling, if there be any, then I missed it, crypto hacks and data leaks have occurred most frequently on crypto currency exchange trading platforms and decentralized finances as well.

And the issue of KYC is also something that have become paramount with online casinos, most especially , the licensed casinos,. infact it is very rare to find a licensed casino this days that does not require its customers to pass KYC verification, for many gamblers, have to pass KYC verification is already a norm for them, due to how large the amount of money they gamble with.

It's a common thing that happens in many businesses and is due to a lack of oversight from the site's own security team. But hacking always uses different methods of hacking company data and will look for bugs that the hacker can use to get into the company's servers or databases. We may miss the news of hacking in the casino because the casino is very smart to cover up the incident, which could lead to a decrease in the casino's reputation among other casinos.

And in the future, with regulators who have started to move, crypto casinos are powerless to remain casinos that can provide anonymity to crypto users who want to gamble, so we as crypto gamblers, have to accept it. We as crypto users, can also look for other flexible casinos in implementing KYC.

Up to this point if you still can not understand my previous statement.
It is clear what I said is that it is okay to give KYC to a casino that is trusted and has a good reputation in the gambling industry so it is definitely not possible if I just believe in giving KYC to a casino that is new and doesn't have a clear reputation.
What I mean by a growing casino is where a casino is able to grow and survive into the future so that the casino can become an established and reputable casino in the future and it is true that KYC requirements are due to a license used by the casino so the casino has to ask KYC to its users.

I see everything that is connected with the passage of identity verification through the KYC procedure a little differently.  In my opinion, it doesn’t matter if a large or well-known casino requires KYC verification or if it is some little-known crypto casino.  Leakage of personal data can be both from a large casino and from a small one that has just appeared on the online gambling market.  It doesn't matter at all.  And there is no guarantee that there will be no leakage of personal information from any site at all.  No, I repeat, if the casino uses fiat currency, then probably such a casino can require KYC and the player must go through it.  When it comes to cryptocurrencies, KYC is completely opposed to the idea of ​​anonymity for crypto payments.
 That is the very essence of the cryptocurrency itself.!!!

I followed a project many years ago and learned that cryptocurrencies should not be KYCed, because what is sought is to protect the identity of people, but since China is a country that always tries to have meticulous control of its processes, I have never been to China, but the things I have heard is that its citizens cannot go against their government and that the most managed is their local money, things like bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are not well regarded, and it is sad because everyone should have freedom and choose what things seem best to apply in their lives and when it comes to money it is more important.

However, it seems that for a casino that is large and has a top rating, it will be very unlikely or even impossible for a personal data leak to occur because they certainly have a pretty good and strong level of security. The team responsible for this must also be trained in their field so it is impossible if there is a leak, burglary or hacking of personal data.
Until now, I have never known of any major casinos that have experienced personal data leaks, so we don't need to be afraid and worry about this.
For casinos that use fiat, they definitely need KYC because every transaction that uses fiat requires personal data for the transaction when making a deposit or withdrawal because almost everything will be connected directly to the user's bank.

That is totally true. The first thing that one needs when joining a site is some minimal guarantees about the intentions and the professionalism of the owners and workers of the place and the first slap in the face is when the site is unclear about their policies, these are pages long or have a nonsensical set of conditions or are not even there. I guess that's the moment you hit the X and close the page.

Well something that I have always known that the Chinese have always been pioneers in acquiring all kinds of things of different qualities, in China you can get products that are very good, medium quality and low quality, in this case I think the casinos that can be classified must exist in the same way. range that I have classified them, I do not know how much things are locally, I know that there must be physical casinos operating clandestinely, others must be operating with all the requirements of the Law and others that are about to leave where they are not even asked a KYC Associate, to please a general public is very difficult, if you don't do KYC or if you do KYC, there will always be people who will have problems with it.

Absolutely mate knowing the owner of the casino and Thier staff is a good thing to know if this casino is trusted enough our not.
For me it's better to look at a good and very reputable casino in order to trust them some of our personal information. Cause when we want to play in a casino we must need to be vigilant cause not all casino are good some of them are scam so we must take the good one. we all know that once a scam casino have our personal information then that's not good at all .

I think something, the chicnos are people who are very lively, cunning and intelligent, why did they allow themselves to put these things in the casinos and everything? they are very nice for various things that are not convenient, I don't understand how they allowed themselves to climb tremendous things, the Chinese are quite good at managing their money, and what I think is that there are some who do play in casinos with VPNs, that's why it's that KYC is not convenient, but why don't they play freebitcoin? They don't have a problem there, what matters is that they play and bet.

Here you are, dear colleagues, everyone here almost unanimously approves that the casino should know its client. 

And it would be better for such a player if he submits verification data according to the KYC procedure.  And I don't agree with this at all.  Millions of gamblers would like to remain anonymous for various, and often very serious reasons.  And the fact that, as you say, "serious and reputable" casinos necessarily require KYC - this is really bad.  Because a lot of players can't play them.  I think it's time for "serious and reputable" casinos to emerge that will never impose KYC requirements on their players.  In general, in our digital age, competent authorities can find a real attacker and scammers without any KYC.  And you don't need to give out your personal information to anyone at all.  It's time to send this KYC to hell.  This is an invention of filthy American bankers.! 
All over the world, these bastards are mocking, parasites on citizens, demanding endlessly this trashy process of theirs, called KYC!

How to say no, if everything you say is what actually happens, in my personal opinion when it comes to crypto, that is, exchanges, casinos, you should not ask for KYC under any circumstances, because the crypto were created for that very thing , avoid interaction with third parties, this includes governments, banks, any type of entity, but it should be noted that these organizations make them request the KYC through the crypto platforms so that they have access, either in a normal way by asking for it or simply by force, and by force is through computer attacks, on many occasions these robberies are done to find out the addresses of those who have a lot of crypto in their possession and go after them, I think that is one of the great things What do they seek.

We, as ordinary people and crypto users, actually do not agree with KYC but we are forced to do KYC so that casinos can process our wishes because most people will experience problems when they want to withdraw very large amounts of money. Various reasons were given by the casino, including the casino that deceived gamblers by not allowing them to withdraw without doing KYC first. And even though gamblers have done KYC, the scam casino still won't proceed with the withdrawal process. We all miss playing at reputable casinos and not requiring KYC like a few years ago when we could freely gamble and withdraw money.

They want to remain anonymous because they are shy type, they don't want their family and employer to find out that they are gambling, and last but not the least would be because they are doing something shady. If a casino became popular before they implement the KYC rule then they are really in trouble because some of their customers might quit on supporting them but if the casino started out as a KYC based casino then they don't have anything to worry about. Their base players can still remain although they may not gather much people to gamble on them.

A serious and reputable casino are more formal so I don't think they will be against with the KYC even though they know that it have some disadvantages. They can accept it than if their platforms are at risk of being shut down.

I don't know if being shy is valid reason to anyone to get in that situation since if they decide to gamble for they know the consequences of their action then those people near them will find out what activities they are doing because they are close to them. Maybe the main concern about having those KYC is the security breach where they might encounter a problem like ex. having a loan since the scammer use your identity to get loan from online loan apps or your identity will be used for scamming and that's really a big problem if that one happen to us.

I don't think being timid justifies gambling. However, privacy is crucial and should be protected. Even if they have nothing to hide, some people are hesitant of sharing personal information with strangers. KYC standards are essential for preventing fraud and protecting users. Users are protected when they share personal information. Businesses should treat client data with care to avoid security breaches

I have not given any KYC on Chinese platforms, I don't trust much, but I know that the Chinese will not be stupid enough to lose everything for a simple KYC, there can always be other solutions, there is a lot of competition with casinos, I don't even know To what extent is it permissible to leave KYC on a platform that everyone talks about and without not having a degree of trust, we know many casinos and we know that casinos that are not Chinese and that have similar characteristics leave the data no matter what , but it is one thing to leave a KYC in a casino that you do not know anything about, than to leave the data in a reputable casino.

Unfortunately most good casino will demand for KYC and there is no way we can gamble on those sites without KYC. So the discussion of KYC and non-KYC is not relevant at all because if you want to gamble at a reputed caisno, then KYC is something you have to do.

Yes, there may be many new casino's offering us to gamble without the KYC, but then i would call it a risk as we never know if it is even safe to deposit on those new casino and more importantly if they are fair in their games  :o

To my deep regret, indeed the regulators of many countries under the American financial dictatorship on a global scale are forcing well-known casinos to require KYC.  But on the other hand, there are millions of players who need to remain anonymous in their game as well.  For this, they use cryptocurrencies, in particular, and do not play simply and conveniently with fiat money. 

And all this gives hope that in the online casino market there will still be such casinos that, in principle, will not impose KYC requirements on players.

Before crypto casino is good option for people doesn't like to give their KYC to anyone specially those whales. But since the regulation towards big crypto casino happen the KYC requirement has been impose so those people don't have any choice but to comply what those legal entities ask. Now many think that even crypto is not safe in terms of data security but people need to realize that this thing will happen so they need to get used with it and just apply proper precaution about what they do so that they can avoid any huge risk.

When I first started learning about cryptocurrencies, I was involved in a privacy and anonymity cryptocurrency project, at the time it had nothing to do with casinos, it was just a cryptocurrency but privacy and anonymity meant everything to that great community. The casinos that exist now, the thing is different because they should guarantee privacy and anonymity but it is not like that, I can only imagine the people of that time when they see the KYC requirements of the casinos, they simply will not play, and I understand them, that community It is the one that new casinos have to attract, but to bring them there must be no KYC.

For users' own protection, KYC is essential. But I'm also aware of the need for discretion and privacy in the gambling industry, especially when dealing with cryptocurrencies. Casinos should provide players with some anonymity and privacy while still adhering to KYC standards. In the future, there will be a non-kyc gambling based 100% on blockchain or technology. However, it need to be trustworthy enough  that can accommodate a large number of customers in a secure environment.

kyc is a personal matter and some casinos make kyc mandatory.  But it is true that kyc is only used for the protection of one's personal account and on the other hand casino sites use kyc to prevent users from doing other bad things like money laundering. so doing kyc is not bad.  But must choose a trusted and reputable casino for doing kyc.  Otherwise it is not impossible that kyc documents can be sold in the black market

So do you think Biden can meet Trump again? is it likely to happen again? who could win here? I don't know how the American people feel about Biden's mandate right now, if they are happy or just satisfied or maybe neither, but based on what they have experienced in these years with Biden, I think they have not felt as wrong, of course I do not live in the USA, but with respect to the news that I have seen I have been able to perceive that.

 Now, Trump would change everything that Biden has done, there is no doubt about that and he would impose his law and make himself felt, and that is not to mention that he is going to change a lot the laws for entry to the USA by people from other countries. , but not everything would be so bad, because you could say Trump can be an intermediary to end the war between Russia and Ukraine and that would be something very positive, I speculate this because Trump gets along better with Putin than Biden. I would like to understand more about politics in the USA, but really things always focus on power, it always is.

Anyone around here has some expectation on the future of the Asian market for crypto gambling, specially in Hong Kong?
I ask having in context the apparent acceptation and clear rules that the authorities of Hong Kong are planning to set, some people there can access crypto currency and services related.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/02/20/hong-kong-proposes-rules-for-crypto-trading-platforms/

Even though, some may argue that this kind of regulation could be negative, it may benefit future exchanges and gambling platforms based there.

Thoughts?

Here I agree and agree with you because after all a casino that has KYC can definitely be relied on and trusted.
After all, as long as I have used several casinos with KYC, I have never experienced any problems with my account. And of course, if casinos with more KYC give me more trust and there are no worries of fraud against me.
So far, casinos that are well-known and have a good reputation, almost all of which provide KYC requirements, whether when we just register or when we make a large withdrawal, KYC is sure to apply to every user in it.
I myself actually don't believe and believe in new casinos that state that they don't need KYC because I'm looking for and using casinos for the long term so I don't want when I get a big win I'm even made difficult by them.

Currently, some casinos must implement KYC for their members, especially those who frequently use large sums of money to gamble. This is to ensure that the user is not someone who gambles using money derived from illegal activities and the casino wants to know who the people are playing for big money. KYC has become necessary for many websites, including gambling and exchanges because the government has entered into the crypto circle and noticed large transactions on exchanges or in gambling. We don't know if the tax that the government will apply to everyone who uses crypto will increase because of the profit factor people get.

That is because a casino is different from a solo coin project. They can support different cryptos and then they can enforce different rules but a solo coin project can only have one vision and one of it is to push anonymity because this is something that a local currency doesn't have.

I think people who deal with huge amount of money are the ones that must be protected and not exposed because someone might threaten them. Also, not all who deals with a small amount of money are clean. You mentioned tax there, but tax might be another reason on why KYC are suddenly being introduced on the crypto space and the rates will depend per country as I heard some countries like India has a higher charging rate.

KYC is like the bouncer at the club, ya know what I mean? It's a necessary evil to keep the riff-raff out of the online gamblin and crypto world. The government's gotta do their part to make sure these industries are runnin' smoothly and ain't involved in any shady money laundering schemes. And yeah, taxes on crypto profits might be a drag, but it's like payin your dues to be part of the club. We gotta embrace the growin' importance of the crypto industry and work towards makin it more accessible to all.

Maybe it is to find out the background of users who use big money to play gambling, including their job and where they live. If this is later reported to the local government, the local government can monitor them, especially if they win a lot of money. And if they often win big money, the local government will know and maybe eventually, it will have something to do with the taxes they must pay. We really don't know why the government asked many sites to implement KYC on their users, especially crypto users and we can only guess.

But I feel that with the development of crypto in many countries, which will also make a lot of people who are getting rich from crypto, the government should know who these people are. Moreover, the government is also getting tighter against these crypto users.

This is precisely where the almost insoluble contradiction lies between the very idea of ​​cryptocurrency, which was laid down by the creator of bitcoin and, by the way, the still anonymous Satoshi Nakamoto, and which consists in the complete anonymity of the owner of the cryptocurrency and payments in cryptocurrencies. 

On the other hand, the world is increasingly moving away from payments in cash that can also be partly anonymous (for example, through intermediaries or through a cell in a left-luggage office).  But in cash, the level of anonymity is of course much lower than that of cryptocurrencies. 
I don’t even think about bank cards and transfers, where there is generally “0” anonymity. 
But for calculations, anonymity is often needed by people for various reasons.  So Satoshi came up with an ingenious invention. 
And now the banking lobby all over the world is trying their best to stop the anonymity of payments and all people would be under the control of government agencies, tax, fiscal, security agencies and so on. 
This is, in a sense, a modern version of enslavement, even slavery, of the entire population of the country by some kind of local establishment that imagines itself to be Gods on Earth. 
And on a global scale - the American establishment. 
All of them are parasites and reptiles on the body of our beautiful Planet. :(

Currently, casinos must comply with certain conditions due to licenses or for governmental reasons and that is that they must comply with KYC, if they do not, they can take away the concession or permission to practice, so we as players do not understand that, The fact of setting up a casino company is not easy, for that reason these conditions must be met in order to emerge, it is unfortunate because we all have the idea that casinos that use cryptocurrencies should not demand these conditions, much less kneel before third parties and governments .

Governments always find a way to enforce their demands, that's something I don't like either, those are things that bother me.

If we do not have black money, if we are not involved in shady activities, and if there is no restriction on gambling in our country, then there is no need to hide the KYC. However, my only concern is that is there any check and balance at the casino end that they will not misuse our KYC documents and sell them to agencies or even on dark web?



We understand that it is more of a government demand that they want casinos to operate with enforcing KYC and casino have to obey them to comply with the local rules but things in China are operated differently. That's why if any bookmaker is able to provide gambling services without enforcing KYC, we should not be surprised.

The management of any casino or bookmaker is now always faced with a rather difficult choice - either to introduce a mandatory KYC procedure, and, accordingly, lose some of the players, those players who are important to remain anonymous, and lose some of the profits from their game.  
Or take a chance and keep this category of players, and possibly get trouble and problems from government regulators.  All the same, most of the casinos prefer not to take risks and strictly comply with the laws.  But still, the mass of players who do not want to reveal their identity should be able to play.
 And casinos without KYC will still exist and new such casinos will appear in benevolent jurisdictions and countries.  

I hope so! :)

There are many things that can be said about KYC, obviously many endorse the benefits of complying with this requirement, when it comes to player protection it's kind of sweet on the ear, but I really see KYC as a double edged sword.

 Most players don't agree to give KYC and it's understandable, I guess if we use cryptocurrencies and bitcoin there should be no need to identify ourselves as if we are using fiat, and that reason is not more than enough to end all KYC stuff , KYC is required by the government and other entities for control, so it provokes more irreverence.

for now almost all licensed crypto casinos ask customers to do KYC on their gambling sites, especially gamblers who use large funds. well, casinos implement KYC to check whether the large funds are from money laundering or indeed from personal money owned by gamblers.
but unfortunately KYC can be abused by gambling company owners to sell to bad people. that is what some anonymous gamblers fear.
actually doing KYC on a gambling site that is popular and has a good reputation a long time ago, for me is fine. unless doing KYC on a new gambling site I am very careful to do that.

therefore it is important to use small funds first when trying out a new casino. with small deposits and bets, the casino will not force gamblers to submit KYC documents. although some may indeed require KYC for all members to make withdrawals.

some gamblers are indeed more comfortable with their anonymity. but some will not consider KYC. even those who are hunting for referral bonuses or even new casino user event bonuses also consciously do KYC to claim bonuses. it all depends on the perception of each.

Every casino sites KYC option but must of the casino site don't keep it mandatory for small amount. yes it is mast needed for every licenced Casino  to complete KYC for deposit and bet largest amount because it is for safety  for customers and protect all the illegal activities like money laundering. So KYC is necessary for all conscious gamblers. And savvy gamblers do it all the time.

I accidentally saw this thread of yours, regarding the gambling platform www.zhb77.com china and I searched further and I got your response about the site not working.


Then I tried to review, it's true that the gambling site www.zhb77.com, didn't respond at all, it seems that the gambling site has been blocked in China, besides their team here named: ZHB888 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3482715), It's been a long time since I visited the forum.

In my opinion, gambling sites like that must be avoided, before we experience things that we don't want in the future.

So it's up to every gambler because they know the risks but many of them still use big money to gamble which can trigger the emergence of requests to do KYC. If they still use small money to play gambling, they will not be asked to do KYC but some gamblers assume that using small money will not be felt if they win.

And if you are ready to do KYC on a popular gambling site, you accept the consequences of using large amounts of money to gamble. And by doing KYC, you will not experience problems like other people who will be asked to do KYC when they win big.

I think that the concept of "big money in the game" is very different for players and in different countries. 
This, of course, is connected with the standard of living, well-being and income level of each individual person. 
And this is where the problem may arise with a sudden and unexpected for the player requirement from the casino to submit verification using the KYC procedure.  It may well be that the player simply did not understand that the withdrawal amount of his winnings is already subject to KYC requirements by law.  For example, if he had never won so much before, and suddenly got lucky!  Imagine how this damned KYC upsets and infuriates the player that there are difficulties just for him to get the win he honestly won! 

That's why KYC for crypto casinos is damn evil!

Here is a point, when governments are appointed I tend to be a little tougher,because for me governments are an evil that will always exist,the only thing that if I would support an AI is that they replace world governments, I think the world would be fairer and more impartial and obviously the laws would be complied with, however,the governments do not care about the well-being of their people, they only want the well-being of those who are there, and that is fulfilled worldwide, it always is and will be like that, that's why The birth of the KYC is because of the governments to be able to control the players and especially those who have btc.

I want to know how you directly said this is a scam site. Do you already know about their platform? I entered the btc365.com web site where I did not see anything like that. Then you should not consider the scam scheme without knowing directly. Anyway I have not used this platform but as far as I know their bookmaker is popular. I believe that whatever comments are entered into the platform, correct comments should be presented.

Yes, with increasingly stringent KYC regulations, we as crypto gambling players, feel that our freedom to gamble using crypto is limited because of the interference of the regulator. We also can't do anything and try to comply; if not, we can look for other casinos that don't have too strict KYC.

KYC has now become something no crypto users want, but it is a regulation that might get even stricter in the future as the popularity of crypto has taken place in many places. But hopefully, there are still casinos or other places of business that are not so strict regarding KYC so that we can remain anonymous in using their services.

Since this one was made without kyc,most of the gamblers surely interested on this.Some people also using gambling sites for the exchange of the black money.So they may have use this website for sure.If the website without kyc,the transaction limit was limited sometimes.I had some question about the limit of the withdrawal from your gambling sites.The gamblers look into the gambling site without kyc,this will be the needed one for such people.You had a opinion of not adding kyc till the end.

KYC is enforced by real casinos because of the license terms used by the casinos themselves.
If we understand that some casinos have licenses, surely all of them enforce KYC, it's just that there are some that are not as strict as for example KYC is requested when a gambler wants to withdraw a fairly high amount.
There are still some no KYC casinos out there but I myself am not really sure if they are trustworthy and completely safe to use.
But if we study and research more about the gambling industry, we can conclude that in the future more casinos will implement KYC due to license requirements and security reasons from casinos to avoid problems like money laundering.

gambling sites without KYC will indeed appeal to gamblers. or maybe someone who just wants to get rid of traces of shady dealings.
if on the way the site is not in trouble with some government regulations. they can last quite a while. but when what they run has problems in the future. their only option is to stop the project or continue the project with some new rules that must support the rules allowed by the government.

Online casinos that implement KYC are following the government's recommendations so that their casinos are legal and not targeted when there is a casino closure.
They pay taxes so everything will be safe.

KYC is also enforced to stop money laundering practices that usually occur on gambling sites, there have been many cases reported related to money laundering involving Online Casino platforms.
There are some Casinos that ask for KYC when withdrawing large amounts only, it is the rule of each casino.

Casinos that implement gambling without KYC will indeed be at high risk, because it will be a place of fraud that will affect users.
and there is no support from the government so many casinos are declared illegal, at any time they will definitely be closed.
 
All casinos today must be under the auspices of the government, so that there are no criminal acts that can be a gap for criminals to launder money from the results of a break-in or something like that.

I'm not sure about the casinos outside of this forum have had a bad experience trying just anyone before. I always try to avoid it even though I often see casinos I don't know on social media or search engines.

I think the casino is just trying to comply with the regulations from the regulator so that the casino can continue its business without worrying if there is an inspection from the regulator regarding members who play at their casino. And we should be grateful because crypto casinos still don't require KYC for all their members and only select certain members to do KYC. I hope this will happen so that not all members have to do KYC because we use different money to play gambling.

I'm not that confident about it. From what I've read, casino licenses provide no protection against such things. One of them in fact does not allow the casino to serve its own residents. If what I've read is true, most casino licenses are just a cash grab from the government so that they get more money from gamblers, while basically offering little to no protection to their users[1].

I also don't think they care much about money laundering until a government asks them about it. Even if they don't require KYC, I'm pretty sure they store some data that is useful for investigators. Probably not a good idea to judge a service like a casino solely on their license.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5345895.0

I understand what you're saying, but nevertheless, those are the terms and conditions of the casino that we must comply with in order to be able to withdraw that big win.

however there is no other way to be able to withdraw big wins and you have to send KYC to the casino to be verified and be able to withdraw all balances. even though it looks a little evil but we can't fight S&K

If someone tells me that they want to trade in the bitcoin market but they have no idea how it works, my advice is to tell them not to do it, that it is not correct to enter the market and gamble, it does not work like that, maybe if they do he does and is lucky he wins, but in the long term that luck will run out and he will lose everything, trading is not luck or guessing, you know, and we have to take that into consideration when operating.

What I told him is that he better go to a casino and manage his money there, I know that he will still lose it but at least he will enjoy the games, whereas in trading things are not like that.

it would be best to do neither and choose to set up your own gambling business. :D
gambling and trading both use strategies and usually those who use that strategy will be based on luck. so doing both is just a waste of money if unlucky but better to set up your own casino is more profitable.

yes, indeed, maybe you think that going to gambling can manage finances in gambling to last longer towards luck. but the question is, is he able to control himself not to be emotional? the longer in gambling will increase the boredom and turn into emotion. at that moment will also lose all the money.

All the same, it is quite difficult and very, very expensive to create some kind of gambling site on your own in such a way that this site could be considered at least in the slightest degree as an online casino. 
I think that those guys who organize such gambling sites must have an investment of several million dollars.  So it's very difficult.  You also need to get a license from Curacao or from the UK regulator, which is also expensive.  So only very rich people who are still well acquainted with the online gambling market itself and the financial policy of successful casinos can afford to organize a new and also successful casino. 

And of course, such a casino will require KYC from customers so as not to violate the laws of the country where it is registered.

Well what happens is that when we Play with little money it is normal that if you win it is little,but this is where the culture of the good player comes in , that at least I see the game as a business, that is, if I play and I get profits that for me is enough , it doesn't matter if it's a little bit , a profit no matter how little it is, it's a profit,those who want to win more , they have to bet more money, and obviously if they bet more,the profits are older, but the Risk is too high, I will always be inclined to play moderately and allow myself to lose the money I have willing to do so.

to make your own casino, you really need a lot of money and in other stages, before starting a casino business, you must have at least experience and expertise in the field of gambling.
but what I mean is if gamblers really want to get a lot of money or a definite income, it is better to set up their own casino than to waste money on gambling without clear benefits.

of course the casino still enforces KYC when the casino is registered with a licensing company like curacao. because licensed casinos from curacao usually require KYC for certain issues.

getting big profits at gambling certainly requires large capital, in contrast to gamblers who use amounts that can afford to lose, they usually only use a small budget for gambling and bet using the minimum bet and if they are lucky, of course the profits will also be small.
for gamblers who bet for fun it would be better to bet using a small amount but can enjoy every bet and when he loses, he also won't feel very disappointed. because the money lost in gambling is only a small amount and you can afford to lose.

This is absolutely the right advice for the average gambler who just likes to relax and play a little, for example, in the evening, coming home from work and after a tiring day at work. 
There is another advantage of playing with small amounts - this advantage lies in the fact that for players who use cryptocurrencies there is no question and no trouble when the casino, which initially did not require verification by the KYC procedure, will no longer require this damned KYC. 
I think many of you, faced with the fact that KYC is required in order, for example, to withdraw winnings to your wallet, would immediately be very upset.  Or even angry.  Well, who wants to spend time on all this nonsense with confirmation that you are a specific person with a passport and living at a specific address.  For example, even captcha always annoys me, not to mention KYC. 

All this is the idiocy of the Internet, and not "protection against fraudsters" or "anti-money laundering".   ;D
All these are fairy tales, invented in order for the masses of ordinary people to think that this is caring for them, although in reality these are all elements of total control over the population.

yep, of course we bet with small amounts and with small wins we will avoid KYC which always haunts gamblers when they want to withdraw funds from the casino.
because most crypto gamblers, they gamble using crypto with anonymous reasons not to show who we really are especially if we are asked for a street address and a photo of a house, it's very annoying.
but anyway these are still pros and cons about KYC whereas casinos need KYC to detect money laundering but sometimes not reputable casinos sell customer data to black market and this happens a lot.

so to do KYC it's back to each gambler. if they are comfortable doing KYC, so be it. and for gamblers who don't want KYC, they have their reasons.

I myself sometimes do KYC so I can withdraw my big win ::)

In short, having a casino or setting up a business like a casino is not easy at all, it is something that requires a lot of work, apart from all that, what you have to have is money, without money, even if you have the best team in the world and the better ideas, without money things don't work, also a casino could not be launched only based on capitalizing with the money of the players because it is the worst strategy that is going to be done, these things are what should be seen. Personally, having a casino or, failing that, an Exchange is a very good business model, but you must have a lot of money.

It's true, friends, gamblers want to choose a casino with KYC or a casino without KYC, it's their choice and whatever will happen in the future is because of their current decision.
Maybe most gamblers still can't accept KYC for a number of reasons and other factors but actually those who object to KYC and one day play gambling and have quite a big problem even though the problem can be solved with KYC verification, the gambler will only make it difficult for himself because of a KYC.
Maybe you receive KYC so you can withdraw money when you get a big win but it's different from me who gives KYC because just to get more bonuses in terms of bonuses it only requires completing personal data verification. ;D

usually gamblers who bet without wanting their KYC use a small budget and minimum bet amount to avoid KYC itself.
because KYC will be requested when gamblers deposit rather large amounts of money or withdraw large amounts that have been determined by the casino.
so gamblers with small stakes and a small budget, they can avoid KYC.
but anyway if the gambler is lucky, sometimes a small bet can get a big win. now at this stage gamblers will definitely still be asked for KYC to be able to withdraw all their winnings.
or in another way, namely withdrawing funds gradually with small amounts to avoid KYC.

by the way bonus what do you mean that requires KYC?

I think that such a method as the gradual withdrawal of small amounts in such a way that it does not pass verification according to the KYC procedure does not guarantee you that the deposit will not be frozen until your identity is clarified.  Surely the casino will pay attention to regular transfers of small amounts to your accounts.  Even if the accounts are different.  And you still may be required to KYC at some point. 

In my opinion, the only way out is only to play with a small deposit - so that even your winnings will be small.  On the other hand, it is certainly not so recklessly and interestingly.  But with such gambling, when the amounts are large and there are a lot of emotions, you still have to reveal your identity through the KYC procedure.

I still don't understand why newbies come on here looking for trusted online casinos but end up using online casinos with ruined reputations or scam past histories, why are you even trying to use this website called btc365 when there are many good online casinos on this forum? We wear strong online casinos signatures because of people like you, there is DuelBits, Roobet, Rollbit, and many more that give satisfying services to their customers, if KYC verification is what you are trying to avoid well it's not going to favor much because the biggest online casinos ask for KYC verification to keep their business out of trouble from the authorities.

Exactly!

Why would you want to look for a casino similar to the one you accuse of scamming?

This is complete nonsense! I don't understand the approach at all.
As you say, if OP is able to come and open a topic here, it means that he is able to do his research on the forum, and legit casinos are not what is missing around here.

OP may be part of the people who demand a regulated and licensed casino security, without wanting to go through KYC. One day people will understand, that in a long term perspective, KYC does not handicap them, but in general means protection for the end user and the casino operator himself.

Duelbits, roobet, rollbit, etc all use BetBy bookie if im not mistaken. From my limited casino understanding, they provide good offers for casino games such as slots, blackjack, etc, BUT their sportsbook is pretty mediocre. You get limited to 5$ maxbet or lower very quickly, odds are decent-ish, there is a bit of diversity in some sports, live section is also pretty average.

My guess is that people who look for smaller casinos are much more interested in the sportsbook, thats why OP wants to find websites that use the TFGAMING bookie for sports betting. Personally, I believe its one of the easiest bookies to profit from and since he asks for no KYC, he wants to multi-account on a website that offers it.

I'd say its kind of easy to understand why people search for different websites other than safe, reliable casinos out there. Do you think you are more likely to profit from duelbits/betby/pinnacle or 1xbet for example? This only applies to sportsbetting though, I know some of those websites offer an above-average experience on casino games.

I think completely differently. 

KYC does not really protect anyone, but is an elementary element of mass control and surveillance of people by controlling their financial condition and financial flows. 
All the data of people who have passed in a particular casino or exchange, or in general on some kind of KYC site, in the end, still end up in a single population database.  Both private and public databases.  And this data is naturally completely at the disposal of special services, the banking sector and other authorized government bodies. 
In the end, KYC is just data that a person gives voluntarily, as a rule, and does not realize that this simply tightens the noose of surveillance and control around his neck in some exceptional and extreme circumstances.  And in the life of people after all, there are all sorts of circumstances.  Including many have to hide from creditors, and such a person is not a criminal at all, but simply an unlucky person.  This is where this damn KYC helps lenders to catch such an unlucky person.  And I repeat - not a criminal and not a scammer at all !!!  And a person who just got into a difficult life situation! 

And what is at least some benefit of KYC for this person?  There is no benefit at all!  Only one harm!!!

That's a really interesting point of view, I can understand it.

I'm not sure that it's really a tool for mass control (at least now.), in the sense that there is no database that I know of that would centralize the different KYC that people have passed.
They are only used, I mean data like POI POA and EDD/SOF only in case of problems. Otherwise it just stay in stock.

Let's take the example of a French person who does a KYC with Binance, Coinbase, or Nicehash, whatever.
For a French person living in the European Union, his KYC will be processed by Jumio or Idnow, which are the two processors in charge of FRs residing in the European Union.
These two processors do not store the data, the GDPR forbids them to do so. They process the KYC, and give the validation (or not) to the company that pays them for that, in our example the CEX.
It is this said company that will store the KYC information for a maximum of 6 years.
If this same Frenchman does another KYC, but at MEXC website for example, or another CEX, neither Jumio/Idnow, nor MEXC, nor the other CEXs will know that he has already been KYC'd elsewhere. KYC are not centralized and because of that, IMO they are not usable as a tool of control right now.

For me, KYC allows the company to know who it is dealing with, to be sure that you are not listed in a SAR file or wanted by any authorities.
In return, the customer is guaranteed to be treated honestly in theory, because thanks to KYC he can prove that his funds are linked to his identity and it becomes legally complex to seize him without a valid reason.
It's always the same thing, the balance between security and decentralization comes at the cost of losing a little of one or the other.

You mentioned the example of the unlucky guy which has debts or issues with Taxes authority, In this case, I would directly use P2P from a personnal point of view,. KYC is never an absolute necessity for those who oppose it and refuse it.
There is no situation where a KYC is totally mandatory as long as you are able to use P2P systems, but I strongly believe that having a KYC linked to a CEX account, where you don't really do business (only a few buys for example) is a best way to hide yourself. You do your KYC, some small buys, and on the side, if you use Bisq or any P2P solution, autorities will just consider the CEX trades. It is less suspicious than no KYC at all if you are already flagged for some illegal crypto things related or anything. No KYC at all could be a red flag for autorities if you have been flagged in the past, no ?

When talking about a non-kyc casino,the first Thing that comes to my mind is that it is a decentralized casino, and if it is something else, then it must be put as a Possible case study,I know that things in China are very controlled and that Chinese citizens if they are caught doing things that are not legal and that are against government Policy,they get into tremendous Trouble, but the casinos in China that have this, because they do not use the sites and they add Privacy coins and ready?This way you Avoid all the kyc paperwork.

With the implementation of the digital Yuan in China provably people there does not even need to go through any further KYC process, since the government already knows everything about your through the massive surveillance they have and the use of their centralized wallet. In general the Chinese Communist Party is not fond of Bitcoin or any other decentralized asset.

So as soon as anyone there signs up in a casino registered in China, both the casino and the government know who you are, what you do and how much of your salary you wager.

I assume that much gambling may subtract social credits from you, by the way.

Now that's the problem because every gambler, even though they don't like KYC and uses a minimum amount to deposit or withdraw, they chase big wins.
If they manage to get a big enough win, they will automatically be asked by KYC to withdraw the winning money.
So I actually have the assumption that avoiding KYC is a difficulty in the future.
If KYC is really needed and can really provide convenience, I won't mind as long as the casino I use has a good reputation and can be trusted.

And I will object because KYC almost always brings inconvenience to those who are going to gamble using cryptocurrency.  
And yes!  
Sudden KYC, when a player wants to withdraw the money won, also in cryptocurrency, by the way, is always an unpleasant surprise because a person’s joy from winning can quickly turn into even greater and more unpleasant disappointment if the player did not plan or simply cannot disclose his personal data to the casino.  This is no longer a win, but a loss of the “winner”, because he will continue to play (after all, money cannot be withdrawn from the deposit without KYC, and he cannot pass KYC!) and will most likely lose all this winnings.  
It turns out some kind of senseless garbage in such a game in a crypto casino.

I know what you mean and I really respect the opinion that you have conveyed because the choice not to give KYC to the casino is your full right, friend.
But if you get a big win and the casino asks you to provide KYC so you can withdraw the winnings it's not exactly a difficulty for you where you have to choose between maintaining anonymity in a crypto casino or taking all your winnings but with KYC.
Personally, if the winnings are big enough and commensurate, then giving KYC for that amount of money is not a loss for me.
But it's true what you say that the unreasonable rules set on cryptocurrency casinos who initially say they are non KYC.

And that position would be a pain in the ass for one who maintained his anonymity to eat or die. LOL
There are things that have to be sacrificed if you get a big win, even if you hate the KYC conditions that apply to a certain minimum withdrawal amount, you may be forced to choose to let your winnings or do KYC to be able to withdraw the winnings.
But maybe there are other alternative withdrawal methods for people who maintain their anonymity, for example like making a minimum withdrawal amount or the withdrawal requirement limit must be KYC which does not require KYC, and if you want to withdraw big winnings it may require daily consecutive withdrawals, I think it is a solution even though it is enough to make you busy and eat up a lot of fees.

Even though he has to sacrifice his anonymity to be able to withdraw all the money from his big win, most gamblers will certainly do so and after withdrawing the money he will probably move to another casino and start playing with a new place.
Yes, indeed you can make withdrawals with a minimum amount in a row to avoid KYC.
But it seems like this will make someone get suspicion from the casino because after a big win he withdraws small amounts consistently so maybe the casino can freeze the balance and still ask to provide KYC.
Keep in mind friends that the casino team is smarter and more experienced than a gambler.

I saw news on TV that in China only in Macau and Hong Kong and that gambling is allowed, in other places in China gambling is not allowed and doing a little google research on this fact I found that it is true, that's why any casino in china that is not located in macau or hong kong so people better stay away because they are illegal casinos and in china laws are very harsh against people, i would not be surprised if in china law they condemn people only bigger because the person was caught playing in the illegal casino

if there is something that people should fear and the government of china, in china freedoms are very limited and breaking the laws is something that people should avoid at all costs so that they do not lose what little freedom they have. i would not play in any casino that was located in china even if the casino said that it is a legal casino i would not use the casino because the chinese government has a lot of technology and their laws are heavy and do not have any mercy

Wait a minute, so in China, the only places where gambling gets a green light are Macau and Hong Kong? That's like betting it all on a single hand! Guess that means you should be wary of any Chinese casino outside these two locales. You'd be playing a risky game of financial Russian roulette.

Here's a fun fact: the gambling scene in China has its origins in the 7th-century Tang Dynasty. Imagine more than a thousand years of placing bets on everything from card games to cricket showdowns. Despite China's iron-fisted laws, the folks there still find ways to indulge in their gambling habits. It's like they're proclaiming, "You can limit our liberty, but our love for blackjack remains untouchable!"

What you say is a perception that is far removed from what many users here in the forum are looking for, if you look at it, many players will always look for a way to be more anonymous, to play without needing to put kyc and despite what I know Decentralized casinos achieve this, since they are not as reliable as a centralized casino, I think that partly here the decision is already made by the player, if he wants to undergo a kyc in a good and highly reputable casino or take a risk, not to let kyc and pay for each move, which I don't know is better.

Got curious about this, I think the Chinese government is really strict regarding gambling site and also offering it world wide. The no KYC is one of the things that people like, too bad I just read this topic and the URL seems not working anymore. It's really complicated to try out new gambling sites especially if it was created from other country and no KYC because today the no KYC policy is now somewhat to attract players and getting used by the scammers.

That's right. I'm not sure about the site in the OP, but scammers use "NO KYC" sign as often as unreal bonuses and stuff like that today. If you are not a high level criminal or corrupted official who want to launder millions of dirty USD you shouldn't be afraid of KYC. Don't be lured by shady sites, guys, only because they promise no KYC. Research further.

Don't get me wrong friends, there are still some big non KYC casinos that have been around for a long time and are now quite popular with a pretty good reputation.
Maybe there are some casinos that are non KYC and only aim to cheat but not all of them my friend.
Regarding the bonuses given by non-KYC casinos, they must be real and realized, even scam casinos will also provide bonuses that they provide to attract more gamblers.
I know that you mean well and you don't want many gamblers to become victims of casino scammers, but your presentation is still not quite right, friend.

Be careful with gambling casino platform from China due their government most restrict with casino gambling exactly have connection with cryptocurrency deposit and withdrawing fund. Have two recommended gambling platform and I am familiar with btc365.com because every time watching football ever saw this gambling on board advertising, but never heard with www.zhb77.com/ and looks like new casino gambling platform for me. Recheck later about this gambling platform is really trusted or not because on gambling board seems not any user advertising this casino gambling.

Of course there can be honest non KYC casinos. No doubt about that. KYC is required by the regulatory authorities in the jurisdictions where the site is registered. The gambling sites themselves don't need it, they just have to comply.  That's why I said "Research further.", not "Stay away from such sites". :)

I think this comes from something we call culture,we all know that in China there is always great control over Everything, for me it is imperative to be informed about each country, and in a matter of bitcoin, crypto and everything that has to do with the The government wants to control technology, which I appreciate, this was not done to be Controlled, on the Contrary,it was done to be able to be enjoyed without having to ask for permits or send documents so that they know our identity, however, with everything This is normal to think that if there is a casino site that does not ask for KYC,many will be suspicious for these reasons.

Yes, friends, because I used to use a trusted casino but non KYC and I played for about three times, deposited but I forgot the name of this casino because it was a long time ago and after getting to know some of the other big casinos I started to leave it.
It is true that you said that KYC is not really needed by casinos because what provides KYC requirements is a license or regulator in the jurisdiction where the site is registered.
If the casino needs it maybe just in case of money laundering.
You are a forum member who is very experienced and has a lot of insight, so I know very well the intent and purpose of every sentence you convey, friend.

I also think that the KYC check is forced to be done by the regulatory authorities of the jurisdiction where the casino is registered.  And these bodies also operate on the basis of regular laws on personal identification.  For casinos, maintaining a database of personal data of players in any case presents additional difficulties and is an expense item of their budget.  First of all, due to the fact that they are obliged to maintain the confidentiality of this information, provide protection against intrusion, security and fight against possible leaks of this personal information.  All these activities cost a lot, even starting with hiring security specialists.  Why do casinos need such extra expenses? 
However, there is a case when a player wants to receive his fair and large winnings on his account.  Especially if his deposit was not very large.  And he was very lucky.  Here in this case, the casino requires KYC because there is a small chance that the player does not want or simply cannot reveal his identity.  And then this gain remains for a long time, and sometimes forever.  the general pool of casimo money.  So you can save money and in general legally.  This is the only reasonable argument why the casino requires personal data when transferring winnings to a lucky player. 
I'm thinking something like this.   ???

Oh, the ecstasy of KYC checks in casinos! Isn't it grand watching regulators flex their mighty power, demanding that sacred ID laws be upheld? And the casinos, those noble creatures, tasked with guarding personal info like a mythical beast protecting its hoard!

But why must casinos suffer such trials? Why bear the weight of privacy, shielding against intrusions, and bolstering security? All for that enchanting instant when a player hits the jackpot!

Indeed, when fortune smiles upon a modest depositor, the casino's KYC prowess awakens! What a sight! Who would want to expose their identity while basking in their fiscal triumph? The casino must seize the chance to save and embrace legal shortcuts, right?

The gambling industry is no longer a safe haven where players may place bets on games and collect their winnings; there are constantly complaints here and there. Scammers exist in several sectors of online sites, and their methods of approach are the same; they make it look legitimate and also provide bonuses that can never be withdrawn; it's simply a glitch of money stuck on your gambling account. 'NO KYC' expands over the area, and the majority of gamblers preferred it all in form to manage their objectives and means of producing fast money.

Your point could be valid as you said but it's not safe running a online casino with no KYC verification, it shows that the online casino is running illegally and it's not permitted by any law to function, this could land them in serious trouble, also if you believe that some online casinos don't ask for KYC can you made mention of few?

I used to have an interest in such online casinos before but after reading about why other online casinos compulsory KYC verification I starter to trust them more and I stopped searching for the non-KYC online casinos.

Do list some popular online casinos that gamblers who hates passing KYC verification can use, I will like to see with my eye because I tried to find them with no luck, it's like they are off the radar or in hiding.

Many players like you have felt the need to stop playing in online casinos for asking for a kyc that is annoying for many and I understand them because these types of casinos are the ones that make anyone not play and prefer physical casinos, it is That part is understandable, as far as I am concerned, only the best casinos that I fully trust are the ones that I comply with my KYC, there are not many, I don't think I can count more than 5, but they are casinos that are reliable for me and that there is no danger, even so I understand your point and it is understandable in every way.

That's right. A promising casino can't guarantee it will be the best one for us. Therefore, we must do further research to understand if the casino is really good and will not cheat us or if the casino can cheat us later after we are done gambling. Never be tempted by attractive offers from casinos, especially if you have never played there. The experience of other people playing gambling in casinos will be different from what we get because we are in different places, and there may also be additional regulations that we must know. For now, it looks like NO KYC is a difficult thing to get except for web-based casinos that only need to connect a personal wallet to connect to the casino. Apart from that, the casino can ask us to do KYC later.

Rule of thumb of mine whenever I deal with these kinds of casinos is to check if they have an announcement channel over here at bitcointalk, that at leasts sets me up that these people are confident enough of their credibility. If they aren't here, it's a big no-no for me no matter how much licenses can be bought, but credibility and reputation couldn't be purchased. I've seen a lot of people saying that these sites you're talking about appears to be derivates of the same fraudulent site, although I don't want to confirm nor deny these allegations as that would mean I'd have to waste my money over sites that are already shady, all for the sake of bypassing KYC which isn't even that hard in the first place.

I suggest you stop looking for no-KYC casinos, this field is a breeding ground for scammers and hackers.

Though the criteria of not being on the forum doesn't really make a casino a scam but as you said, this industry is full of scammers so people need to be careful when they are choosing a platform to gamble and they shouldn't just choose a platform only because it doesn't ask for KYC. It is much better to choose a reputable platform and do KYC there and only use that for gambling.

People who tend to change platforms every now and then are more vulnerable to scams and frauds, such people need to stick to one platform and only use that for their gambling activities if they want to stay away from scammers.

So uhm, what are you getting on to exactly? I'm not saying all of the casinos that are not on this forum are scams or what, it's just that it's really hard to trust a casino (at least for me) when you don't have channels to reach them out, bitcointalk being one of them. So I refrain from using casinos that do not have announcement channels here. In any case, the point still stands that you should really avoid no-KYC casinos because well, let's just say I'm not gonna side with the greater evil here. Considering you'd have to chose between entrusting your identity to another corporation, or risking yourself from getting scammed by some snotty-nosed kid in North Korea or wherever on God's green earth just to save from being "tracked by the government".

It is a good recommendation and rule of thumb for those who wish to have a good and seamless experience.
That applies however, to only casinos which accept any kind of crypto currency, there could be people around here who have found a good casino which is exclusively FIAT and for some reason they like it.

And since this thread is a bout Chinese gambling sites, I cannot stress enough that gambling in that country is likely done exclusively with Yuans

What you say is true but also wrong because KYC is enforced because of a license used by the casino itself but for old casinos that are old enough they don't require KYC because in the past KYC was really rejected by every gambler there.

It's the same as me, who previously didn't like KYC but remembering that KYC is really needed to make it easier for us when withdrawing large amounts of money or even avoiding certain problems that could occur, the decision arose to give KYC happily in a casino that I trust.

For old casinos it doesn't require KYC actually it's not hidden and here in the forum it actually exists but not all forum users know about it maybe because of the lack of experience they have.

In China things are handled very differently, it may not happen as they want, because in China there is clear control over everything, KYC in China is mandatory, a person who is somewhat irreverent with the things of a government can clearly be very punished and reprimanded for many activities, personally if I lived in China with all that control I would not dilute it, I would go to a country where I had more freedom, and when it comes to fun things are usually different, in some countries taxes are paid by cryptography , which I will never agree with, and with my way of thinking I will never agree with KYC.

In view of these things, we as players have the right to choose, I think that this right has not yet been removed in China, I think so, in some countries we can choose which casinos are good to bet on, that do not require KYC and that are safe, because There are many casinos that can be decentralized, but when doing things like gaming, you can have a little more privacy.