Bitcoin Forum

I decided to take a bit of advice and clear my trust list. dkbit98 made a suggestion and while I do not think it would force theymos to do anything, I do think DT isn't really a prestigious position to hold any longer. Also a bit tired of the drama and manipulation that is seen by users when it comes to DT. I may change my mind later but for now my trust list is empty. My distrust list still exists for now.

Not making this thread because I feel any of you care or need to know, but if someone goes looking at DT and wants to know why here is your answer.

Please, you do not have to do that. It is just like saying you have some people that you trusted before but you do not trust them again, when you still trust them. If you trust anyone trustworthy and people that you think can not do harm on this forum, you shouldn't change that, it is helping in one way or the other, everything can not be 100% accurate or perfect.

There always is and there always will be a drama. Considering what dkbit98 said about mass dropouts from DT is a good idea to create a new kind of drama.

I did the same a week ago.  :P

Now I attach even more importance to this feedback.

Well he already did, it's not like you are going to change his mind with this  ;D

Not true, it would be the case if he had put all the users he had trusted before into the distrust list. If I decided not to put anyone in my trust list, does that mean I don't trust anyone in the forum? Absolutely not.

you know that this will not change your status much, you will still be in the DT selection because, it sounds a bit strange, but others decide about it. Others who keep you on their trust list.
If I remember correctly, marlboroza tried to get out of the DT circle and asked everyone to put him on the distrust list, I don't think that ever happened.

If you want to get rid of the "drama" hassles of being on DT1, just PM theymos and he can blacklist you like he did for me. I can tell you, I don't have to deal with a LOT of bs that I used to for whatever reason, as I don't always have the time to play the role I felt I needed to be for being on DT1 if that makes sense .... My life is much simpler here now. Exclude me if you like, I don't even bother to check anymore... I know my reputation speaks for itself, so wtf amirite? ??? :P

Getting off DT2 is not so simple afaik.... Maybe theymos can blacklist someone from that as well, has anyone asked? :P

I did the same thing like a year ago, with the low priority intention to eventually rebuild my inclusions list, but yet haven’t..

I don’t care if I’m on DT1 or not but I feel like I should be using my votes..
Laziness..

I do the ink the new DT system is better than the old..

What does it matter if it’s not prestigious?
Good.. That could be embarrassing..

I don’t like to use its power anyway.. I much prefer to post convincing arguments that may influence others in the use of theirs  ;)

One doesn’t need to be on DT at all to accomplish that..

In fact, it’s likely much more powerful..
A newbie account even could post things insightful and convincing and easily many usages of others DT could result from it..


Yahoo, your word is much more powerful than a single DT1 position..

Did you mean DT1 selection? It won’t because to be eligible for DT1, you must have built your custom trust list which will have 10 users included (users in distrust list doesn’t count of course).

For DT1, theymos blacklist from the selection but DT2 isn't selection. DT1 decides. I doubt theymos would allow that even if it is possible to blacklist. I can't remember exactly but seems examplens shared it already. marlboroza tried to get out of DT2 but he couldn’t.

theymos will complete it when he is online. Very fast and simple.  :D

It is probably because some members want to be in DT1 and spots for DT1 are limited. So drama occurs because they want to get in. For me, neither DT1 nor merit source is my dream.

Your contribution makes your name, not any role like DT1 or merit source. Obviously, such things can unofficial raise your role and importance (somewhat) in the forum so someone might like this and want to get it.

They forget the fact that being a DT1 or a merit source does not make them have better quality, more contribution or being more important than other members.

It simplifies the way we use the forum.  :D

---

Yes, it is prerequisite to be in DT1 selection list by theymos each month. After you have a call from theymos, whether you are in DT1 or not will depend on inclusion lists of other DT1 members.

Therefore, if you are sure that you want to get out of DT1 forever, let send a request to theymos for blacklisting you from DT1 list. I could be wrong but maybe there is no case asked theymos to change from blacklist to whitelist (including into DT1 selection list) again. It's funny. I am doubtful that theymos will approve such get out - get in again request.  ;D

If you just want to get out temporarily, do what yahoo62278 do (wipe out your DT inclusion list). You can customize it later and get in DT1 list later.

It's worse than that: if the people who use the Trust system correctly drop out, that leaves the ones who shouldn't be on DT1. Maybe that does indeed force theymos to make changes, but it's probably better to suggest how to improve it directly. Less DT1-members isn't going to change much, and requiring more inclusions for DT2 hasn't been implemented for years. So like any democracy, as bad as it is, it's the best we can get.

But I didn't understand, could any of the people who participated here clarify a bit more, since drama was talked about: as an example, do you consider JollyGood to be the problem on DT1 or Royse777? Because one is tagging the other for scamming, and the other is accusing the first of abusing the trust system. So you can't say both, because Royse777 is either a scammer or he isn't. You can't just say "well, let's stay neutral and forget about it, nothing to see here".

I just have the feeling though that the few voices left talking against and tagging scammers are about to get booted out from DT1.

DT was not supposed to be a power seeking position and considering it as your own property. Unfortunately some power seeking users are using it as a tool for them to silent others. They are using the loophole of the voting system. Even a post against their argument will earn you a tilde.

(1) Requiring more inclusions for DT2 should be a good start.
(2) It requires more brainstorming. i.e. To be DT1 you must be in other DT1's (99) trust list either as added or as tilded (avoid not having them at all in your trust list). I can not think of how because every time Theymos run the corn job it add and remove new members but as I said with proper brainstorming it can be improved.

As far as I know, one of the reasons the DT1-requirements don't go up now that more and more users qualify, is to make it less "grandfathered" by giving newer users a chance to reach it too.
I can think of one way to improve the current system without involving theymos: check my DT1-election ranking (https://loyce.club/trust/ranking/), and scroll down to users who almost qualify. See if they have good trust ratings and good trust lists (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust), and add them to your Trust list.

I don't think his motive was necessarily to get himself removed from DT but to protest against the system itself, which is a mockery of what it used to be prior to this rotating lunacy.  That was a bad idea IMO, and honestly after reading this thread I'm thinking about doing exactly what Yahoo62278 did.  I think the DT system sucks, and I already know whose feedback I trust (and if I'm not sure, I can always click on a member's trust profile) so I don't need to have a custom trust list or any list for that matter.

Props to you, Yahoo62278, for leading the revolution.

Who the fuck are you?

What I see is that that list includes people who have asked theymos to be excluded from DT1. If I remember correctly, and my memory may be deceiving me, I think suchmoon asked to be excluded, and I also see tranthidung on the list, who asked recently as well.
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407909.msg60645554#msg60645554)

No data tracking on it from any forum member (if I am not missing anything), but I can recall suchmoon, Hhampuz, me (of course, there are likely more cases).

Correct, I don't exclude those.

This is what I've been also thinking - right now I give a bit too much power to some. While I do trust their feedback (or at least I do in most cases), giving them certain power can harm (power corrupts).
Yet I didn't get to do anything (laziness and more), hence my trust list is unaffected for now. But maybe that will change. My initial plan was to just do some trimming here and there, but getting full cleanup looks appealing too.

::)

Perhaps you can elaborate. I'll add a view: we're having too much belief in/counting too much on a forum trust system (a.k.a. users' reputations). Especially now that I've noticed more "I trust them, they trust me", "I trust them, they bust scams", <all childish back-and-forth's via the system>, and various other feedbacks. Trust list (default lists/etc) have been played around with too much.

It still become less "grandfathered" and give chances to newer users. I am working to the dry run in my imagination. I will try to elaborate the idea in meta section once I am happy with it.

Just clearing my understanding. These are the users who are eligible to be DT1 but not in the current DT1 list, in other words they are not the 100 users who are in DT1 in the running month's corn job.

Yes but it's not stopping the abusers to use the loophole of the current DefautTrust system.

This might be something worth considering as there is a method to the madness  :)

You must have been one of the first to have a total clear out of the list. I recall one other member doing so a couple of years ago.

Will you ever get round to rebuilding it or has the current state of play at how badly the system is broken keeping it a low priority?

Everybody is expressing their views and each has their own reasons for doing so.

I mentioned in a different thread the feedback, trust and merit system needs a complete overhaul.

After looking at how several cliques and trolls manipulate the system to suit their own agenda, it still clear it cannot continue as it currently does yet still be considered as an appropriate barometer because it quote clearly is not.

May be we can have a game and can pass it to others. Then JollyGood will eventually open the box with the users he considers cliques and trolls.

I propose these cliques and trolls are  BitcoinGirl.Club, NeuroticFish, tranthidung, LoyceV, Poker Player, dragonvslinux, DireWolfM14, dkbit98, The Pharmacist.

PS: I am not calling out anyone please don't take it that way. You are free to guess the cliques and trolls.

See this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107427.0) for the criteria I used (and the ones I ignored).
Some of the users in the list are currently on DT1 already.

It's a game of numbers: if more good users are eligible, less abusers reach DT1. If all good users quit, only the abusers are left.

This is a valid point and, I don't know, maybe we should not wait for a "divine intervention" to fix this (although maybe a differentiation would be needed between trusting and empowering users).
Because while some fight each other and may have both good intentions (yes, I know that in this context this statement can explode), some real trolls simply get stronger. I won't tell names since I don't have solid proof, so it's just a hunch.
Maybe a new topic in Meta is needed to get ideas how to use better the current trust system. One idea that came into my mind was to select carefully a very short list of users we want to "empower". Or maybe it should be as wide as possible?!

I am thinking of doing the same thing, but I would like if other members could do the same if they think DT system is currently broken.
EDIT: done, I cleaned my trust list also, and I will consider making new one after (possible) DT theymos reform.

I think some people (not exactly sure who) made good suggestions before to reduce number of DT members and make it harder to become DT2 member.
Lot's of talking and nothing changed so theymos probably didn't saw it, or didn't think it was something important.
I don't mind at all if only DT wannabes stay in DT1 for some time.

Guy who is complaining that trolls manipulate the system for their own agenda, has become one of the worst manipulators and witch/ghost hunters in this forum.

Maybe, in a BOFH moment, theymos will reform DT1 by handpicking you back :P

Seriously though:
But without offering a better system, what do you expect theymos to do?

---

---

If this is to make a point that DT needs fixing, it should be in Meta, not Reputation.

I don’t think it’s so broken..
Things are sorting themselves out as intended are they not?

It’s just mediocre because that’s how democracy with mediocre inputs work.. You get mediocre outputs..
It’s not exactly a group of highly intelligent philosophers of a similar doctrine..

Democracy also slow and has a lot of debate before any decision is made and stuck with.. Not very efficient..

All from such varied cultures/beliefs from strict Islamic societies to atheist anarchists and communists what have you..
Diversity!

Almost a miracle anything gets done at all and it’s not all out war..

I think theymos would make amendments and modifications to the forum structure as long as he thought it was something that was needed. Plenty of members do think it should be fixed because clearly it has been open to abuse by trolls and cliques for far too long.

It is not a good idea having distinctions between "trusting" and "empowering" users. Empower? There will never be full consensus on which members should be appointed with empowerment attached to them and what would they do with power? It would only empower their cliques whilst alienating others.

Several members have bloated egos and are as duplicitous and untrustworthy as they come, but by virtue of being part of a clique (and by subliminally encouraging others to do their trolling and attacking) they could be candidates. I would be unable to vouch for such an outcome and I am sure others will feel the same way and express it if a candidate list was ever drawn up.

In such a scenario the cliques would obviously put forward their candidates and support them with all their keyboard typing power.

Yes, agreed. Many times hunches turn out to be correct though  ;D

Opening a topic in Meta would be a good idea in order for members to put forward ideas and have healthy debate as to how to confront it and fix it in such a manner that it is not open to abuse any longer.

Whatever, there is also a nice little blacklisting option, so I could let wannabes, power trippers and witch hunters pretend they are more important in their own mind.
I am 100% sure what members will never erase their trust list :P

I am not expecting any theymos magic tricks and perfectly working system, that's for sure.
People already made suggestions like I said before, some of them are good for reducing number of DT members, and I am sure you are well aware about them.

Eventually yes but you did delete your own trust list around a year ago (I think you said) and during that time the system is still open to abuse and manipulation. Nothing has changed for the positive.

You are right, there are no highly intelligent philosophers here in the forum but some highly cunning individuals with ulterior motives are here. Mediocre is the key word here. Most of the agenda based inputs are culpable for the general low quality outputs visible in the forum today.

Yes the member base in the forum with all the local language boards (even with own problems) is something to marvel at and the small economies each has generated (from trading and/or avatar and signature campaigns) is at least a success story in itself.

This is true  ;D

It will be pretty interesting, can't wait to see a 100+ score on accounts like game-protect or bitcoinsv, or Loycevelenzuela or whatever their names were. So, should we turn back to a previous more, how was that, ..centralized trust system?  ::)

You can already get a preview: wipe your Trust list, remove DefaultTrust, and add only theymos. You'll have theymos on Depth 0, theymos' Trust inclusions (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-08-06_Sat_08.09h/35.html) on Depth 1, and their Trust inclusions on Depth 2. Considering theymos barely changed his Trust list in the past years, you can expect walk down memory lane :D

I seen that when I was checking bpip and you dropped off my list.

Agreed

Which brings up another point. If users shouldn't be on DT1 then why the hell are they even eligible? Kinda makes no sense.

Jollygood and Royse have drama between them, they are not letting it spew out amongst the rest of the community as far as it leading to more silly tags. Having an opinion shouldn't keep you from DT. That's why I think when someone makes a new account to voice an opinion it needs to be ignored. Not because their opinion may be right or wrong, but more because they shouldn't hide. If I wanna call someone a bitch I will. No reason for me to hide, I want a person to know what I think about them.

Some users post an opinion and are unwilling to compromise or see anyone else's point of view. They are right and you cannot change their minds. I think those types( hell I may be that way at times but eventually i calm down and come to my senses lol) need to take a day and think before they react or post on a topic. Posting with a hothead is just gonna cause more drama and maybe tags that are inappropriate. Usually the community steps up and tells someone when they're being dumb and people come to their senses, but like I said above noone should get tagged for their opinion even if it might be a bad opinion.

Just as eddie13 said, your word is more powerful than DT. I would like to think he was referring to every user, not just myself.

People are trying to manipulate DT to gain reputation on this forum and eventually someone gonna do a huge scam because of it. A user can easily manipulate the system and gain IMO false reputation in the community just by hanging out in the collectibles section. Bid on some auctions, buy some shit, sell some shit, and boom gain positive ratings and likely inclusions. All that and never making a post outside of collectibles. Hence why we need 2 systems. A user hanging out buying and selling likely doesn't participate in the rest of the forum and shouldn't be in a position to make decisions about other users. They should be labeled an honest and trustworthy trader, not a community rep.

Welcome to the light!!!

Or someone is going to start abusing other members, make threats and blackmail other people... oh wait... that is already happening now, and most people are not paying attention at all :P

May the force be with you.
So does that mean that LoyceV is now on the dark side?  :o

https://i.imgur.com/i3rbm2m.jpg

Trust system is only relevant because of the sig camps anyway. People are obsessed with the red trust ratings they may receive because when they do, the managers won't include them in their campaigns.

It has been the thing for years.

Almost any sig camps #1 rule:

"No red tags allowed"

Some managers manually check the red rating and decide themselves if it is a bullshit rating or not mostly that's not the case. Gaming the system isn't really hard neither. When a person acquires a good position in the system, he will have the power to decide who is going to join the nude parties and who is going to touch himself at night.

Wtf am I talking about?

I hope I'm not included in JollyGood's list of cliques and trolls, serving my own agenda by manipulating the system.  For one thing, I don't have an agenda with respect to my trust list other than to do what I think is best for the forum.  I've communicated with JollyGood since I excluded him, and if I recall correctly I explained to him why I did it and that there were no hard feelings, just that I thought there were too many questionable feedbacks he'd left for others. 

And I certainly don't think I'm a troll, and hopefully JollyGood doesn't see me that way.  I haven't done any trolling lately, and if I had a list of targets of trolling he wouldn't be on it.

There have always been groups of members who tend to see things (like JollyGood's feedback-giving accuracy) the same way and are pretty vocal about it.  It was that way when Lauda and Vod were active, but it's not like there's any behind-the-scenes collusion AFAIK.  I'm definitely not included if there is.

I think you're missing BitcoinGirl.Club's point;  I interpret her post as speculation that JollyGood would accuse those listed as a clique, or trolls.  I don't think anyone has accused JollyGood (or you, for that matter) of trolling.

And, as for the communication about your trust exclusion; of course JollyGood is going to respond to you.  You're one of the older established members, a merit source, and a fixture in DT.  He knows, like any power hungry politician, he needs the help of the powerful to gain more power.  Anyone else who's critical of him gets ignored.  Like me, I'm a nobody so he thinks that maybe just maybe if he ignores my criticism of his trust abuses (like he's done for the last year) that I'll just go away.

I'm not going away.  JollyGood shouldn't take it personally, I would criticize any one who abuses the trust system regardless of who they are.  

You could be right about that, and it might just be a language misunderstanding (on my part), but BitcoinGirl.Club did lump me in with the rest of what I thought they were saying was the group JollyGood considered trolls and/or abusers of the DT system.  Regardless, that's not something that'll eat away at my soul or cause me to lose a minute of sleep.  Spine of steel, don't you know.

You compared JollyGood to a status-seeking politician, which I found interesting, as I'd never considered he came across that way.  I figured he might be trying to gain a reputation by tagging a bunch of members who may or may not be involved with shady stuff, but I've never observed him to curry favor with anyone.  Even after our communication, he continued to do the same old stuff that led me to remove him from my trust list, so it isn't as if he listened to whatever I wrote (which I don't remember and haven't checked to see if I still have our PMs).

I'm still pondering whether I should follow Yahoo62278 and clear my list.  It's not a small decision to make IMO. 

Thinking about it a bit here, I don't think I would ever clear it, but I might remove a lot. There are quite a few people who I have ~ and I would like to leave a lot of them that way.
I really don't think us doing anything will change the way things are done here. People have been abusing and complaining about it for years and nothing was done. I doubt that will change. The other side is, if we don't do anything we KNOW nothing will change.

Have to think about it.

-Dave

Base on my believe i think he's doing the right thing here and his action does not exprrss any distrust on those he has ttusted before but the major point here is to sanitize all related affairs related to recent abuses on the trust system by some members, probably in doing this , it may attract the attention of theymos for an intervention because it is obvious that things were already going wrong and not as expected, dkbit98 suggested right.

I don’t think people should be clearing their lists in some sort of protest.. If your confident in your choices on your lists I think you should keep them..

It’s what the system needs and the system is not that bad.. Their are just things to be settled now and then and that means “it’s working”..
Working about exactly as theymos intended with retaliations..

Also publicly announcing “I’m going to/did clear my list” or “I want to be blacklisted” just seems like attention seeking behavior..

I didn’t say shit to anyone when I cleared my list, and I didn’t do it in any sort of protest of the system..

I simply became conflicted about what I was doing with my list.. Conflicted about how much compromise I was willing to do to add, remove, or exclude anyone on my list..

Adding anyone at all to my list is a compromise because I don’t agree with anyone 100%, and was and am undecided about how much compromise in that I was and am willing to do..

Take LoyseV for example.. Should be a pretty easy choice to add to your inclusions list right?
Well, I greatly disagree with them including Vod and excluding OG, so there is the compromise..

I can’t think of anyone I 100% agree with and could add with no compromise..
Even my closest friend on here that I would trust with multiple full coins, my dox, and basically anything business related, I disagree with on many other things..
It’s a sign of great trust to me that we can disagree on many things and still trust each other very much..

It wasn’t about any sort of protest and was not attention seeking..

I don’t think that people should be clearing their lists, and I think I should make a list even though I don’t really want to..

Clearing your list or not having a list is like hoarding smerits..
It should be used, and I’ll admit that I am not right in not using mine..

I kept all the people on my ~ list, I just removed the people whom I trust. I don't need the list to tell me who I trust. I've been around long enough to know who is a trustworthy person and who isn't.

So many people like to look for behavior that is not normal and start a witch hunt for whatever reason. That's the only reason I have made it public.

In the past, my trust list was empty and I didn't include anyone there because I didn't know who was worthy of inclusion. But it quickly swelled up once I realized who should be there and who shouldn't, but in the end we can decide for ourselves whether we still want to have that list or not.

I hope this is not a protest against the imperfection of the system, this should be decided wisely and purely without drama. The impact is always there on a system that may not be as perfect as one would like it to be, maybe it will be even greater if this becomes a trend for some other DT1. But of course no one forces us to have this particular trust list.

As for people chasing witches, you're absolutely right. For example, I was accused of non-existent scam by users who use their authority

Eh?


I don't know about you, but if I was flagged by 25 users at once, then I'd think I must've really screwed up somewhere.

---

To return to the point of discussion:

I don't think any changes to DT are coming in the forseeable future, so I would recommend LoyceV's advice of adding his "Create your own trust list" thread to News, or at least sticky it to Meta. At least more users will use it that way.

That's the problem with decentralisation: "the users" have to decide. Theymos doesn't want to be the guy who decides who can or can't be on DT1 (and I hope I'm not out of line here "speaking for theymos", this is solely based on the information I've seen so far). Kinda like how Trust isn't moderated I guess.

You can do that by now, but for newer users who see red tags for basically anything, this is a scary place to call people out.

Question to the "list-clearers": do you add DefaultTrust? Because that's what happens when your list is empty. Or only add a user who hasn't left a single feedback (such as satoshi), so you'll see every profile as neutral?

We can argue about Vod, but indeed it's a compromise from my side. I agree with most of his tags, but not all. OG's exclusion I've explained here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098623.0), in case you haven't seen it.

You have a valid point but adding some members to a trust list or excluding others should be a matter for the one adding, removing or excluding. On many occasions questions are asked about why those decisions were taken.

Unfortunately manipulation of the system has been an ongoing problem that was never addressed. It will continue until or unless some drastic changes are implemented.

That's how I read it as well. Generally the idea that anyone criticises JollyGood is a troll and part of a clique intended to troll him, hence they are ignored and distrusted. It's the most effective way to try and make yourself immune from any criticism, just claim that anyone constructively critical of you is being malicious with an ulterior motive, hence untrustworthy, which is admittedly very "politician like" as you put it.

If the lemmings want to yell out "I told you so!" after they've already jumped off the cliff, just put them on ignore.

Several duplicitous members are following the Goebbels doctrine of propaganda "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it". This is still correct several days after I made a similar post to the point. It is almost laughable looking at their desperation.

As mentioned before they are dropping words and sentences about me that are factually incorrect but persist in the hope of others joining the drama. By ignoring them it makes reading the threads a bit easier but having said that if they are quoted by others then their nonsense might catch my eye.

On the odd occasion I might have reversed the ignore to take a look here and there to see if they beginning to post sensibly before being unsurprised and simply ignoring them again but: I already have put several of the lemmings and more on ignore..  ;D

What I'm talking about, these 27 users colluded to accuse me of non-existent scam. At the same time, the main initiator of this asks the victims to forgive the scammer who robbed many users, read here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407043.msg60687209#msg60687209

Lol, you are a laughable joke of a troll.  I have to hand it to you, you've employed the tactics of the most corrupt politicians quite predictably.  Once exposed and desperate you accuse your adversaries of the very things of which you are guilty.

The Jack Booted Thug accuses me of being a Nazi and propagandist, entirely missing the irony of the claim!  Absolutely brilliant.  You can ignore me all you want, but that won't stop me from exposing your hypocrisy.  You're not my target audience.  You've already exposed yourself as a thin-skinned coward who can't engage in a rational debate.  Run and hide, bitch.

But before I go, I'll give you some advice:  Instead of secretly wishing ChipMixer would pull an exit scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.msg60727767#msg60727767) so you can target their signature participants with your next red-tag frenzy, you better stick the reputation and gambling boards.  There you can harass and intimidate newbies with relative impunity.  But, if you continue to venture into big-boy topics, you'll have your ass handed to you in short order.

Good Luck, jigglyboobs.

Have you ever checked some of his ''gambling'' self-moderated topics  :D
If you wanna have some fun you should do it, I am sure they are (not) full of spam.

I don't think he even have a skin or a spine, so he is unique kind of invertebrate living in his bubble.
Someone should make a documentary about him and make him celebrity.
Theymos should give special kind of clown hat badge for members like him.

Maybe he just wants to get some attention and get in CM campaign.

^^ You guys should really stop trolling, you know who you are. You sound like the Propaganda Minister for Hitler's Third Reich, as JG has already pointed out and rightly so. Next you'll be assembling gas chambers and sending Jews to concentration camps if you're not careful. At least stick to the relevant (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.0) topics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409094.0) if you are going to continue your campaign of propaganda for your own personal gain. Stupid lemmings  ::)

You are absolutely right about their propaganda. They have said so many times that I have committed a scam that anyone on the forum immediately agrees with them without delving into a single post. If they have authority, then automatically they are right, especially when there are many of them and they are in cahoots

Apparently, a Newbie spam account even managed to blackmail JollyGood to remove their support on the aforementioned flag. I only bring this up because 16x... brought up the topic a few posts up themselves.

Quote for reference.
Indeed does not seem like the thick skin typically seen on Bitcointalk.
I have no idea about these characters and no history whatsoever with them, it just fit the topic. I'm not interested in any drama though; that's just a waste of time in my book.

Please excuse my language; but: Nobody here has authority. No-one. Stop talking out of your ass and god-damn stop the crying, I can't hear it anymore. Are you a child or just extremely dumb?

Do you have evidence of JollyGood being blackmailed? I didn't write to him, just one day checking who supported the warning, I saw that he removed support for this accusation of a non-existent scam

Let's keep the posts on topic guys. This is a thread about trust lists, not 1 about Jollygood or this 16x guy. I don't mind a little off topic when diving into trusting a certain user, but whining about getting tagged is another subject.

Ignoring is ones own property because only you are effected by the result. No one have to care about it. But distrusting a user is not your own property. It effects the whole DT network. Distrusting a user means you do not trust their feedback leaving judgement and you want it to broadcast it to others who have you in their DT network.

When a user is constantly distrusting others for criticizing their activities and not having to support their arguments then it's not a mistake. Since it has nothing to do with the feedback leaving judgement anymore, it become an abuse of the system.

I suggest you lock the thread. You made your feelings known in the OP and the reasons were given for clearing your list.

Now the thread is used for completely different purposes by the a group of trolls and attention seekers.

Indeed, I'm not sure why you decided to go off-topic with your post about cliques and trolls (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409300.msg60726196#msg60726196), before going off on a further tangent about Nazi propaganda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409300.msg60737706#msg60737706).

Maybe try and stay on topic next time as well...


As a reminder JG this topic isn't about cliques, trolls, lemmings, or nazis either.