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Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?

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I'm not a statistic guy, but I will say that it is possible what not sure what are the odds are.

Also, isn't it this kind of lottery results are being shown in the public as it has been draw with the representative of DTI? (I will assumed this is Philippines as it shows PHP). So they have to collude with the government and win this numbers?

As Tesla believed though, the numbers 3/6/9 is the "secret of the universe".

I can't say whether this lottery or at least this particular draw is rigged or not although there have already been many talks about it. But I guess the pattern of the winning numbers is simply a coincidence. If this is indeed rigged, those who chose the winning combination should have picked random numbers. Picking a winning combination such as this would only ignite suspicion. If players doubt, they might not play anymore. That means a loss in revenue.

Another surprising thing about this is that there are 433 winners of the jackpot. Normally, there's only 1 or 2 of them. Sometimes none at all.

Of course it's statistically possible. It has the same probability as any other 6 numbers.

Even if you see the result "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6", that would still be fine. It has the same chances as any other random result.

The thing is that in some people's mind they put together all the "nice" results like the one you posted and the one I shared against any "random" result, like "23, 11, 46, 1, 5, 31", but they all have the same probability to appear.

Yes, I'm aware of that since I'm also betting in a lottery and that was in our country, I did not doubt the result, although I have not seen the live broadcast with so many people betting and how cheap the tickets are, we all know that this is the number one gambling events of the Filipinos whenever the stakes are very high, the lottery is already exist for many years already I don't think they will allow rigging, its the government cash cow and its good if we have many winners, not just one, I think this is the first time it happens but I will not rule out that it will not happen in the future.

With the number of lotteries in the world and nowadays with online lotteries, it is normal that from time to time some striking results appear, and those who wonder if the game is rigged because they see results like that, I think they don't know much about mathematics.

In fact, people who know a lot about mathematics don't tend to play the lottery very much, if at all.

-  In several decades of running the lottery, this kind of result has only happened now, although they do it live so as not to think that they are cheating. The lottery may or may not be manipulated. Because if there is a population of 100M in a country and let's assume that 40M people there bet on the lottery and the price of each lottery is 20 each, that means there is a collection of 800M and subtract the winning price, meaning the rest goes to charity, no we just know if everything goes to charity.

In other words, the chances are high that this is rigged or the result is fixed immediately and the chances are low that it is not manipulated.

It should be...? It being divisible by 9 doesn't really negate the fact that it was randomly chosen from a string of numbers. The chances would've been the same as any other combination, it's not like the chances for getting the 2nd number adjusts based on the 1st number you chose, they're all the same for each pick. Honestly, if it was rigged, they would've 100% avoided coincidences like these, since as you've shown yourself, can be rather suspicious.

I think some sleight of hand and camera angles/movement would be enough to rig it? I reckon there'd be some way through those tricks. Not saying that they indeed do it though.

it's funny how they can accept the fact of winning the lottery is almost impossible to win but cannot fathom the idea that there is a possibility that the numbers drawn on the lottery can be multiplied by 9.

I did a quick search and found this(quote below). the one I quoted below might not be the same as the one we are discussing but the fact that the same number was drawn just days apart is incredibly rare(not even sure if "rare" is the right word to use).

Statistically very unlikely, I think that would be more accurate, but people tend to think that what is very unlikely to happen is impossible, and that is a mistake.

Very curious what happened in the Bulgarian lottery. I'm sure that the fact that the same combination came up in two close draws made many people think that the lottery was rigged, even more than in the case told by the OP.

If you check the second prize in any lottery and you'll find that there are always many winners it just happens that many hit the jackpot the Philippine lottery has been live for over thirty years they don't need to rig the game because it is shown live and there are people they randomly pick to become their observant unless someone inside the lottery system exposes an anomaly but the number is possible, I remember there's always a long line whenever there's a big amount at stakes, in a lottery anything is possible and besides this is the first time it happens.

Yes, I think it is statistically possible. It sounds reasonable enough this would happen at least once in the entire life of the lottery.
In my opinion is not crazy enough to completely suspect of a rigged process, it would be more blatant if all the five numbers were consecutive, something like: 10, 11, 12, 13...

Besides, if the draw was performed on live then the only possible explanation it would be a rigged machine or equipment, but even if they wanted to rig the result, they would have chosen a seemly random result instead only number divisible by nine. Anyways, if the authorities could perform an audit, just in case, it would be ideal.

Just my thoughts.  ;)

I dont think it means its rigged but I do wonder how the results are determined.   A computer derived result may turn out more aligned results then a truely random real world event driven number determination.   Computers cannot generate true random numbers last I read, they have to check on some real process  in order to get the external data.  Of course random can be simulated and it could be a great simulation but when its a lottery result its best avoided I think.

If the lottery was truly rigged, there would have been handful of jackpot winners(or maybe only one jackpot winner).
433 jackpot winners is a lot for a rigged lottery. It doesn't make any sense for someone to manipulate the lottery numbers for so many people to win relatively small portions of the jackpot. This is a really weird coincidence, but such coincidences happen once in a while.
How many times have you seen such thing to happen? If the answers is "several times" then the lottery might be rigged(but it still doesn't make any sense).

I don't think that lotteries are fair and it is very easy to manipulate the online lottery and get the results according to the gambling houses wishes.

Lotteries are the easiest scam which is done in the modern world, whereby you give a lot of greed that by spending little amount of bucks, you will become a millionaire if you're the winner and at the backend, the winners are the gambling houses members and they are pre-decided hence those houses get a lot of money in the name of lottery from innocent people.

I don't say that all lotteries do this, but more than 90% of the lotteries are just scams.

Yes, indeed, with the presence of 433 jackpot winners, it does not look like a falsification, a simple coincidence, as it seems to me, you can just as well find this or that dependence in almost any lottery draw, but the theory itself is certainly worthy of attention and occupies the minds of many people. :)

These numbers don't look so special too me. What is the issue with numbers that are divisible by nine or by three? If they are drawing their number live than I wouldn't expect a rigged lottery. Of course there could be a system in place that brings out only the desired numbers, but there should be some checks to prevent it. With lotteries there are usually millions involved and the security should be higher to prevent any scam. I am not sure why certain numbers should be an indication for a scam. If the system is rigged, can't they choose whatever numbers they want? It would be more obvious if the same person wins the lottery multiple times in a row. Or if the lottery winners all come out of the same family or small town. If you really feel like the system is rigged, maybe take a break from the lottery and save your money instead?

Yes, statistically ...every combination is possible... but highly unlikely and controversial when you see it drop like that.  ::)  I hate any kind of Lottery, because there are so many ways to rig the outcome... Example : weighted balls / pre-recorded video footage etc...etc.

I have seen on television where they used a nice looking women to do the draw.... she had a red dress on before the draw and while the draw was happening, she wore a green dress.  ::)   Another time..... a rolling banner at the bottom, showed the winning numbers ...before the draw ended.  >:(

I do not know of any provable "fair" draw system, that cannot be manipulated in any way.  ::)

Bitcoin solo mining can be seen as a provable fair draw system in a way.

Everything is possible statistically.However I need to know if the lotto is made by computer or like in my country where they blow a lot of air to 90 circles which are also the numbers and we have 15 out of 90 here,they are determined randomly for real as everybody is watching them live on TV and there is no real way of cheating beside that they don't need to,they get a lot more money than the "Bingo prize" is called here.

If the lotto is not seen live I have always doubt that it may be rigged.We have another one called 6 from 42 and I don't believe it that much as the numbers are randomly selected by a computer (I don't know the mechanics as the prizes are low here) but I am a firm believer of the first national lottery where I see everything live.

You can quite easily work out the odds of this happening.

This lottery is drawn from 55 numbers. Within those 55 numbers, there are 6 which are divisible by 9. Given this, all 6 must be picked, but the order is irrelevant, so the odds are just the same as picking any combination of 6 numbers.

For the first number, there are 6 possibilities out of 55, so 6/55. For the second number, you've already drawn one number, so there are 5 more you can draw out of 54, so 5/54. For the third number, 4/53. And so on. (6/55)*(5/54)*(4/53)*...

This can be simplified to the combination equation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination), where n is the total numbers which can be drawn (55) and k is the number we need to draw (6):

n! / k!(n-k)!
= 55! / 6!(55-6)!
= 55! / 6!*49!
= 28,989,675

So there is a ~1 in 29 million chance of drawing these 6 numbers, same as there is a ~1 in 29 million chance of drawing any 6 numbers.

It's actually possible but lots of people are suspicious and there are rumors and hearsays that there's just one jackpot winner but the organization created 432 ghost tickets. I'm not sure if that's true because there's still no proof. However, it's the first time but it's really possible that different people would have the same rumbled numbers with the same number pattern. They're still lucky to share a huge amount of jackpot prizes.

Possibilities are there mate but I am not really a fan of lottery because I believed that this is manipulated and being used by the government to gather funds from gambling in literal and practical ways.
who really knows if there is an actual winners if the names are being keep safe?
but anyway if being rigged or not?  yet this is not happening everyday.

Wow what you say is crazy, I didn't think a national lottery could do that in any country. In which country it was precisely? National lotteries don't need to rig the game to make profits because they usually take a commission on the total amount staked. That is to say if people bet 2.1 millions $ in total, they will only distribute 2 millions $ in prizes and keep $100 000. But maybe in some countries gouvernement leaders rig the game to make win their friends and family. That would be easy money for them if they have no risk to be put in jail for that in their country.

I'd say that there's a possibility that, that many can really hit it at the same time but the chance is way too little. Like, how many zeroes it got with decimal places.
The question I have in mind is, with that 433 winners, how many are the actual bettors on that particular day or how many bettors that lottery usually are getting on regular days?

This broke the news here in the Philippines. One interesting feature to note is that all the winnings numbers are divisible by "9." Though I am not profound with mathematics and/or statistics, does it have an implication of such?

This is the first time I have encountered more than a hundred of people winning a 6-number lottery. Though statistics may argue that it is possible, the chances of it from happening must be like significantly low. Currently, there have been conferences starting to discuss this kind of impossible feat- though we will keep you guys also updated on how this unimaginable happened.

How come it was rigged if the result is just divisible by 9? Does all the orevious result has this kind of pattern? Sometimes people that purchasing tickets and never win always find a reason to justify there lose such as the game is rigged and other conspiracy. Lottery is being regulated strictly since this is the game handled by the government. Destroying there integrity for such rigging will just make there business destroyed while they are earning huge income per day by just operating regularly since most of the citizen of the country is playing in this lottery.

The result is statistically possible obviously. The odds is just low for that to occur.

I would say that they are lucky because people still believe in lotteries and willing to spend their money.

Gambling houses never share their method of driving results in lottery methods which makes lottery suspicious. Since people trust the sites and based on that they are willing to take participation in lotteries.

Those people are ignorant and now they are resorting to hearsay and rumors, the manager has this to say about the number of tickets that won the jackpot, many are taking care of their numbers so there are many winners I'm one of those who take care of numbers when betting I don't do random numbers, this is the first time and there's always first time fo anything but definitely there will be more similar like this in the future we just don't know when this will come again.

https://i.imgur.com/0Fl9KWw.jpg

That's it. It seems that many people has some kind of bias with this kind of flawed numeric intuitions ("if the red has come out ten times, there is a much greater chance that the black will come out next" and alike).

The chances are still the same for the black and the red to come out next, and also to get those or any other different numbers in the lottery. There is no magic behind this.

AND chances are still the same, in the next round of lottery, to draw these same numbers, divisible by 9, or your favourite ones (a ~1 in 29 million). It would be funny, quite mind blowing, but equally possible. So any player has the same chances to win than to see the news that this lottery is definitely flawed because "it is almost impossible to be a coincidence".

That's it exactly. It is easy to look back on events which have already happened and say "Look how unlikely this is! There is no way it could have been chance!", but doing so is a complete fallacy. Although any one combination of numbers has a ~1 in 29 million chance of appearing, it is certain that some combination of numbers will appear.

Here's another stark example. How likely do you think you are of experiencing an event with the odds of 1 in 115 thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion? It would never happen, right? Not before the death of the universe would we ever see an event with such a vanishingly small probability of occurring. And yet, these are exactly the odds you overcome every single time you generate a new bitcoin address.

Just because all the numbers in the lottery are divisible by 9 it doesn't mean that the lottery is rigged.
It might just be a mere coincidence. As you are saying they draw the lottery live then we can give them the edge in that case.
But yeah, if this happens on a frequent basis may be then we can raise this question on them.
You can take out all the previous draws and compare them to find a matching pattern.

It is not unusual to be suspicious of the way people are being cheated at every level. And the image the OP is sharing here is spot on that it is divisible by 9. But here the matter of lottery selection should be kept in mind in which process lottery selection is being done. If all were not divisible by this 9 then there would be no doubt in anyone's mind. But I think it doesn't matter. Those are the lucky ones who got those numbers.

The amount of winners for this combination is almost statistical impossible. There have been a lot of probability computation that has been shown throughout sa social media that proves how much unlikely this to happen. Also, the combination of numbers which shows that all numbers are divisible by 9 is too suspicious for all of this to be a coincidence.

There are also a lot of speculation that the PCSO or the lottery services has been cheating or manipulating the winning combination and up until now there is no to little effect on them.

Pure coincidence.  There are zillions of lotteries around the world, that continually run.  Given enough time there are many odd number groups that come out.  This is just as hard to happen as hitting the lottery which people do so I see no reason to believe anything like this would insinuate cheating. 

I completely agree with you, and it's quite funny that people, finding some patterns in the sequence of numbers, think that "beautiful" sequences are somewhat different from "ugly" sequences. From the point of view of mathematics, any sequence of numbers is equally probable.
And by the way, if you look deeply for some pattern, then you can probably find something for any lottery result - some numbers will be a multiple of 3, some 2, sometime there will be a sequence of only prime numbers, sometime even/odd, etc. You can always find something "unique".

It is very difficult to prove that this lottery was rigged, because there is a probability of such an event and it is easy to calculate. I would begin to doubt the fairness of the lottery if such a situation were repeated several times, but a single combination of multiples of a number is quite possible. After all, it is just a random set of circumstances, which the human brain tries to interpret as something unbelievable.

Honestly, I've been shock that in my entire life I had never encounter a 400+ winners for a certain mega jackpot, I can't say that it is statistically impossible there will be a possibility of course but it is quite unusual to get a huge number for that lottery. I am not a statistics person, I am not trained to analyze the possibilities of this but I always have a doubt, does this 400+ people are real? we will see that if they will go to the office and claim the money. I am sure many eyes are drawn to the winners. they will monitor if there's an unusual number of people going to the office.

There's no such thing as statistically impossible especially that this scenario only happened once. And also as many already point out about the patterns of winning jackpot then its possible that this winners are doing the same pattern thing on there bets which result to this too many winners.

It's normal to doubt lottery since they are not transparent on revealing the winners due to privacy protection. They might cheating too the result but this result is also possible. It's up to us on how we will trust the PCSO credibility or not.

Not only is it not statistical impossible at all, but it is perfectly understandable and entirely expected. The very fact that we have a thread created about these numbers because they conform to some specific "pattern", is proof enough that humans see this pattern as unique or special. Because of this, more people will choose these numbers. Just like numbers under 31 are chosen more frequently because of birthdays, or the number 13 is chosen less frequently because of superstition. If the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 were drawn, which are statistically just as likely as any other six numbers to be drawn, you would find thousands of winners simply because this is a pattern which holds meaning for us.

The same can be seen in bitcoin private keys. Your private key should be generated randomly, and you should avoid picking any obvious pattern, but despite that we know that keys such as 101010....101010 which generates the address 12Zuey14JDyFSeNVqLKNqb6gfSWos7iTj4 have been used multiple times.

They say that Filipino bettors are playful when it comes to betting and no wonder why there are 433 lottery winners in one day. Maybe those people have been betting with the same winning combination for a long time. It may sound suspicious but anything unexpected can happen in gambling. If the powerhouse has not been honest, then it will also be unfair to millions of bettors who put their hope on them.

1 statistician mentioned that the odds of this happening is 10 ^ 700, far more than 10^80 number that a lot of physicists consider as the number of atoms in the whole observable universe. He also took into account the nature of Filipino bettors when it comes to betting in the lottery: they don't follow patterns, they just pick their birthdays, special numbers, and other numbers that has some meaning to them. I know it's an answer that is not statistically sound, but the idea is there. The odds of this happening is extremely low, plus the fact that 433 winners managed to get the right combination is also insane.

A lot of people are already questioning the integrity of last night's draw. Whether those balls were weighted less to get picked a lot easier is also already in talks. Whatever happened that night, we're sure that it will not be repeated any time soon.

For me it's possible as I remember back then some of the used lotto tickets i've seen from one of my friends are based on patterns or numbers that usually have a meaning behind them so if you look at it in a different way there would be more people leaning on these certain numbers compared to the others. Also, it made me wonder when was the last time the jackpot was hit with so many winners and if this is the highest number of winners that won the jackpot.

I suppose the winners of this draw were even more lucky than the winners from previous draws, because it's indeed an unique result we don't see frequently. We can't say it was rigged, though, as the possibility of having that result is possible by the rules of the lottery. Moreover, I believe if the game was to be rigged the result would be something less evident, involving random numbers instead of a pattern.

Anyway, you as a gambler, has always the option to bet on another lotteries if you think this one is looking suspicious to you. There are many alternatives on the internet, especially in crypto universe for gamblers who enjoy lottery draws. So you can definitely go for it next time!

I would also agree that it is possible, I mean even though there are a lot of numbers and combination, still there is a chance the multiple bettors will bet on the same numbers.

Why? maybe those numbers have significance to them, age, birthday etc, so most likely probably. That's why I'm against the news that the Senate will involved themselves and try to investigate, geesh. Who will be their resource person? mathematicians and statisticians that will say that it is possible and what is the odds? Doesn't make sense to me.

I guess that would be a more accurate word to use.

I saw an article that they did an investigation about it since the result raised suspicion of manipulation. anyway, the article said that the investigation did not find any foul play or manipulation and it was impossible to tamper with the lottery machine and drawing the number takes place while a special committee is present and the event is also being broadcast live.

here's the article if you are curious to read it
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lottery-idUSTRE58H4AM20090918

It is possible in the lottery to have that kind of result.  It maybe very slim but it is really possilbe.  Every winning numbers have the same kind of percentage to appear.  It is that it happens that the result is like that.

In terms of lottery being rigged.  I think it happens but we have no proof about it so all we have is just rumors.


They can check the machine and the weight of the balls, which probably had been fixed already lol.  The senate just want to get the spotlight on this case.  And their resource person will be those who are working on that agency lol.  Besides I think there is always a government agency representative every lottery draw.  I think this is another case that is a waste of resources.

They have been betting on the same number since then, and having that huge winners is rare probably but it’s still possible. Now, they are investigating this one and I’m sure this is correct since those winners will surely contest and probably, claim the reward right away. Though the lotto that is being managed by the government seems suspicious sometimes, many says they are just choosing someone to be the winner but in reality, there is none this is why many don’t believe on this.

It is possible but to have this pattern from 9x1 to 9x6 results plus this is Philippines. I'm not embarrassing my own country here but I think something is fishy with this one. It's rare to even have a three jackpot winner then now we have 433. Lmao. Given there's also an allegations of corruption in this agency. Now, i'm having a doubt and won't bet with this lottery.

It's a pretty odd observation to make about lottery numbers and most lotteries are rather simple to verify if the drawn is conducted in a transparent manner. Given enough time these sort of sequences would come up, the same has probably happened on the odd occasion with other numbers but nine happens to stand out rather more prominently due to the gap. You could have lottery balls 1,2,3,4,5,6 come out but it doesn't mean it's a fix - they have an equal chance of being drawn as any other set of balls if the lottery is done in the correct way. People associate certain numbers and patterns with malicious behavior but they are just random numbers in essence.

If this game is rigged or not, only the PCSO knows the truth. And this speculation is not new to us anymore. But most likely, since they always show transparency by having live draws, mostly these jackpot winners have only chosen their numbers randomly and they are just lucky enough to hit the winning combinations. Those 433 winners in one day might also be surprised knowing they’re too many of them who will share the jackpot prize.

Corruption is the main reason why many doesn’t believe on this one, imagine having that volume of winners in lottery, it looks like a well planned scenario. Well, they claim it to be true and fair so let’s give the benefit of the doubt and beside, they are going to investigate this one and hopefully they find nothing because if there’s a malicious transaction with that, probably they will lose the trust of the public and the bettors itself.

Corruption issues are still with them, they can make someone a winner but it's hard to know if this is true or not. Commission on Audit should look into this, or other government agencies to address the possible corruption. Many analysis says that this is too impossible to happen, but it happened. I'm also having a doubt with this one, I can't figure it out if those winners really have the same numbers in mind and place a bet in the same day.  ;D

All numbers are equal would be the standard take on probability calculations for comparing any kind of consideration in terms of likelihood.   There are many different numbers like dates that could occur, some very famous recognized dates are no less likely then just random appearing insignificant arrangement.    The only thing that might be possible to say is the idea of repetition, so if only single digit numbers appear one week then maybe it becomes more likely double digit numbers appear in future, averaged over time that might be easier to say as its only a slight effect.

Talk about the probability or possibility of having 433 winners for a 6D lottery in a single draw hehe. I don't think they would change the weight of the ball to rig the result or manipulate the Math behind each draw. I would think of this as just an anomaly until there are more evidence that suggests it isn't.

There had been an allegation of corruption in this department for a long time but they are proven wrong due to lack of evidence.  I wonder who are these 433 winners of the mega jackpot  ;D.  I never doubt that the result of this game is often rigged but it is sad that there is no valid proof of the rigged part.  Anyway, having a representative of the government doesn't mean it can't be rigged, all it takes is money to turn their eyes blind.

Lottery itself out of luck. Here reaching specific number that gets divisible by 9 is not a big deal. There is chances of reaching it. Everything happens out of random choice. I'm not into the discussion whether it is rigged or not, but if it was rigged the authority will never go for such a number. Already they knew well we are getting into controversy with such number Selection, so surely they would've avoided it.

The first time I saw our lottery was being questioned massively by the community here and even caught the attention of one of the Senators here who want PCSO, the government branch that holds the national lottery, to give their explanation about what happened.

Can't believe PCSO released an early statement that those 433 winners really take care of that rare number of picks for long that is divisible by 9.

That's what the community here get when they want a private approach for jackpot winners not knowing it is easy to manipulate and add more winners since winners' identity can't be shown to the public due to some risks.

Highly unlikely. Most lotto bettors take care of their numbers very well, and most of them include birthdays of their loved ones, special numbers that signify luck, and other significant numbers on their lives. I have never met someone in my life that bet these kinds of numbers with a known pattern. They know that it's already a waste of money so they would just bet on what they feel is lucky, not some stupid patterns that requires an extreme amount of luck. Also, the department overseeing the lottery is known to have been plagued by lots of controversies, and I'm not even shocked if ever that turns out to be the case.

Statistically speaking, when it comes to possibility, yes the winning numbers are possible although obviously chances to hit that set of numbers are really difficult. It's an even more high chance to be struck by lightning compared to hitting numbers 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54.

I feel sad for the real bettor who trusts that numbers. Maybe when the numbers was picked, that bettor is now rejoicing for a big win but surprisingly, there are other 432 winners that will be part of the share on the jackpot.

Yeah, that's why it's usually a better idea to not bet on "nice" numbers, like "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6", because they have the same probability of happening, but more people will be playing those types of numbers so your prize will be divided.

Also it's better to play numbers higher than 31 because people usually play birthdays

There was transparency in lottery few years ago, currently many people are questioning about that transparency. And I wouldn't be surprised because these things happen. Maybe not what the OP mentioned. People who believe in fortune are interested in playing this lottery and often feel anxious about various things. But I personally not interested in lottery where many casino games are available.

Look, I confess this is something unusual, being able to hit 6 numbers in a total of 55 is unlikely, but there are chances of this happening, I have no doubt, even if it is something extremely low.

Regarding integrity/reputability with lotteries, I don't know, I confess that I'm suspicious, I'm not saying that all lotteries have frauds, but until today I haven't met anyone from my friends or relatives who won millions in lottery, the most that ever happened was someone from my friends network earned enough money to buy a simple motorcycle.

Well lets see what the mathematics have to say about that...

Since we have a one or two digit answer, we can safely assume that there is a set of integers from 1-55 which are also divisible by 9.

Let D={n|n ∈ N : (n = positive integer up to a maximum possible number of 55 which is also divisible by 9.)}
 You will find the probability of getting a single such a number is D/N = 6/55 , therefore the probability of getting such numbers six times in a row is = (6/55)⁶. Which is at around ~0,00000168.

Which means you have an about ~1 in 600k chance but its still possible.

One might say that people are freaking out over a cool coincidence. But 433 winners?. Oh cmon. Someone spilled the winning numbers, it seems like.

Can't say this was fixed because there are lot of possibilities in the mathematical scenario which I can't figure out but have been explained above.This is mere coincidence in my opinion that all the number are divisible by 9 as they pick out random numbers and if this was fixed they know who holds the lottery but this might not be the case.What was the total winning amount from this lottery exactly after deduction if any?

This is the actual video of the live lottery draw, before the draw, they weigh each ball by random representatives from various sectors of society the lottery agency has been doing this for so many years it's up to you to check for any irregularities but an investigation is coming to see if there are irregularities, this is highly controversial and we are all left speculating.

https://youtu.be/tuNqBT9ubMk?t=1078

And this is the explanation of one an OCTA Research on the probability

https://i.imgur.com/f7hlr4r.jpg

Its better to have an investigation on this because its possibility that something like this will come out in the future, we never know its a lottery and luck and probability do happen every once in a blue moon

Your math is wrong.

You have odds of 6/55 when drawing the first number only. Since the numbers drawn are not returned to the pool and cannot be drawn a second time, then after you have drawn the first number there are no longer 6 possibilities you can choose, but 5. Similarly, there are not 55 balls to choose from, but 54. So the odds for the second ball are not 6/55, but 5/54. The same logic applies for all future balls. So instead of (6/55)⁶, the actual equation will be (6/55)*(5/54)*(4/53)*(3/52)*(2/51)*(1/50). So the odds are ~1 in 29 million.

See my earlier post in this thread for a full explanation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5415646.msg61047255#msg61047255

The last paragraph of the image you have shared sums it up nicely. If we were seeing 433 winners on a truly random selection of balls, then that would be evidence of something gone wrong or some foul play. But we are not seeing that. Instead, we are seeing 433 winners on a very obvious pattern which has been selected more than average simply by virtue of it being a very obvious pattern.

AH yes.

I completely forgot that lotteries do not use the same numbers over again. That was completely wrong math due to my forgetting of how lotteries work. :P Of course in that case you would be right. The odds of getting 6 numbers all divisible by 9 are way lower than expected and almost unrealistic to achieve. But that just again goes to prove that this was no accident. There definitely was something fishy going on here. Everything was premeditated and I am guessing some relative/friend who got the winnings numbers decided to tell another relative/friend. If they do a bit of analytic research on the network, they might find something interesting.

I did read this in the news, because in the history of the lottery here in the Philippines, only now have there been so many winners in that matter, the total winners are 433, and the second issue that other government officials have questioned is why each number drawn has a total number of 9? If you look at it, the lottery draw is unusual, which motivated other politicians that there was manipulation happened.

And from my perspective and opinion, I think that's okay, because at least a lot of people benefited from the winning amount in the lottery draw because the only people who often benefit from the winning prize in the lottery are only 1, 2, or 3 people. That's better because at least a lot of people have been helped, this is just my opinion.

It’s impressive that it has become a pattern with results that are divisible by nine. a pattern with results that are divisible by nine. It’s probably really rare, but maybe it’s just really what shows in the results. If they were to rig it or something, that would’ve been a scam by a group of people, making them a lot of money out of nowhere.

if it even was rigged, they should be punished.

So this is the reason why I am seeing a lot of memes about PCSO.  :D
Questions like "Did this happen before?" will come out. If not, then it's possible that it would happen at least once per decade or maybe longer.

About the lottery in the Philippines being rigged, well I have been skeptical about the results even back then like it's always avoiding having a winner.
My grandfather never missed a game before, and that's what opened my mind that it's just a waste of money.

This was already explained on the news recently by the PCSO gen manager. The winning number combination is only appear once and most of the winners that being interviewed was betting this combination for a long time and the winning bets has pattern so it’s really possible that many players will if they are thinking on same logic.

The draw is being done televised, there’s no way it will be rigged since all balls is being weigh before it place on the cage.

It's not really the probability of the number that should be tackled here this is a lottery and anything is possible in a lottery, it should be on transparency and correctness on how they held the drawing if it was done like all the past drawings and there is nothing wrong and there's no manipulation then people should accept the results as it is, and besides the experts have explained that it's possible to have this numbers of winners.

You may have a point here mate but rigging this game to help the economy will just leave a bad taste to the agency handling this, i mean who would trust if they are the ones scamming their own game? This should be investigated and hope they can explain to the citizens why it happened and convinced us that no rigging has happened to this game because this would create a negative effect on our economy if people won't buy lotto anymore as proceeds/revenues from this game have helped a lot on running our economy.

The thing that they haven't draw it live will have suspicion already considering for years they have done that thing everyday. They should explain it to the masses since that will just ruin their credibility that they built for years. We may not know the possibility of it but a one in a million chance could always happen on anything.

It is difficult to win the lottery, if there is a phrase that comes close to being lucky, it is winning the lottery.   ;)

People tend to believe and play the lottery for the obvious fact, they win the first prize... So, hey! this is difficult, improbable; then they, the people's always to Saying, "it doesn't matter, today, it's my turn..."

OP: At winners is where you can thinkbwhat there is the trap, on the ticket, that paper, or the holder of such a valuable ticket to wealth is in a certain way where the trap can occur.

Basically it depends on what the way selectors have selected this lottery. Is it computerized or manual this is the important thing. If it open to all during lottery selection time then no question is conflicted in anyone's mind. Moreover, the numbers that appear are also raised in many questions. If the lottery is created in such a dispute, then the authority will lose the lottery buyers in the future.

Do you think that anything telecast live on Public television can't be rigged? Technology has evolved too much that your eyes can be fooled and you would never know what actually happened.

I still stick to my logic that lotteries are made for gambling houses to make money and they are for the people to invest and forget about their money as they will never win substantial money from lotteries.

I don't even know if this will help the economy especially that we may not be sure whether those winners are real and are all of them isn't associated from the PCSO itself.

Also, Due to the issue at hand regarding this draw, the PCSO have released the region as to where the winners are located and most of them are on the same city or near to that city. Who's to say that those are from their agency to cash it out for themselves. Whatever the decision is on the investigation, I will never accept that this is not rigged.

Edit:
Among the list of winners, there's a winner who owns 2 winning ticket which is unreasonable since if you want to maximize you winning chances, a person will buy more tickets that doesn't have any same combination.

Lottery winning is based on the random pluck and it will happen with huge.The winning of all the lottery game will be the new random pluck,it will make some one happy for their rest of the life.It also stolen the property of many of the unlucky person.So playing lottery in any way should play with more caution with more strategy to win the most of the game,you had engaged in.Playing lottery in offline,it was purely based on your luck.

Really hard to say if its rigged, if we do consider on how many winners then it would be impossible that they would really be leaking out those numbers in those numbers of people who do make out bets.
But honestly this is my first time on seeing a lottery jackpot winner which is on having 400+ which we do usually know or see that it would rather be 1 winner or 2 or max of 3 based on my
experience but this one? turns out to be more 400 which is truly unbelievable or just simply this is first time in history on having these lots of winners.
For sure there would be some investigation to be made up if there are lots of complaints or questions or doubts about the transparency of this lottery.

A lottery run by government equates to a kind of tax, it cannot be called a positive especially but it does relieve the alternate forms of taxation where the poorest people are deprived of their scarce resources.   We have to hope that lottery money raises money from those with money spare ie. an optional luxury tax with a hefty cashback factor & so the economy is not altered negatively as can happen in some tax regimes where workers are punished by overly large government and its spending, waste, etc.

Those 433 winners are said to have 500k if I am not mistaken, I think lottery here is not taxable, I mean they are not subject for tax. The reason why people like to win the jackpot because it is tax free exempted to this kind of tax, I am thinking, if all of the 433 winners uses their money in small span of time, it will not affect the economy right? I am also thinking that 433 is not real, there will be some fake people included, as we all know government can still manipulate the output.

its purely based on our luck , statistic was not neccessary for us. in each occasion we play , even we dont know will lose or win. everyone has same position in table , so use our money wisely to avoid huge lose till finally we regret with this condition. online or offline was same , it based on random pluck and machine algorithm.

I have searched out about 6/55 Lotto winning odds.
You can form 28,989,675 combinations from numbers 1 to 55 wherein each combination comprises 6 unique non-repeating numbers in no particular order.

https://lottotips888.blogspot.com/p/grand-lotto-655.html

So it is 28 million combination and 433 bettors had hit up these numbers
on a certain time or draw? Just like the rest which i do have suspicions on this one.

Yes, it was pure luck but people are not that dumb not to know if some irregularities are happening.

It's clear that there was an intent of manipulating the number of winners.

That was the need for investigation and if PCSO can do everything to show it's legit, then ok.

They now released the place where those jackpot winners placed their bet. If we looked at those places, really adds some another doubt for me that there are places where multiple winners were established. It's really hard to imagine.

I will try to post that image later as I just encounter it while browsing my news feed.

This is something new and a record in the Philippine lottery draw, that is why there is so much suspicious so much speculation and so many questions, there's a call in the philippine senate to investigate the results I think the investigation and inquiry are better to fully understand it happen and the probability that it can happen and will happen in the future and also to clean the agency from corruption and mismanagement, so we'll see in the senate inquiry on the results of the investigation, until now its still big news in the Philippines.

This is could be possible although sometimes seems to real to be false and at this point those who don't believe such score would appear will likely think is a manipulated result or rigged result. I actually have little experience with lotto playing few months ago i went to the local shop to know if i could gain little knowledge on how it work properly.

Of course, these statistics will always change because the lottery game is based on luck.
So maybe you don't need to use stats, but if you stick with it, it's up to you.
But you have to think that if the gambling game depends on luck, it will be difficult to win.
And it's better that we only play the lottery when we have free time and never play it too long because it can make you spend more money.

Its obviously possible but its so unlikely that it feels rigged. I don't what exactly they were aiming at. But its known that some machines may be rigged with hot and cold balls (I am not very sure tho)
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.

It's as likely as any other combination.

It just feels wrong because of how humans perceive statistics.

For example, if you throw a dice one time and it's a 6, that doesn't change the fact that the next roll has 1/6 chances of being another 6. If there's a second 6 in a row that also doesn't change the fact the next roll still has 1/6 chances of being a 6, but at that moment lots of people would think that it's way less probable to have another 6 than the actual probability, which is 1/6.

It's possible to win the lottery although the probability is really low most especially if the number of balls to be drawn is higher.

I've seen the news too and most people really feel that the result was rigged because there are numerous speculations about winning the lottery every time saying that the bettor who won also belongs to one of their staffs. We can't really blame the people to be doubtful if they witnessed unfair and corrupted upbringing in their environment. We can only educate them.

According to a statistician, it is indeed possible to have a winning numbers with multiple of 9 , and having many winners all at the same time, although the chance is really slim which corresponds to 1 in almost 29 million. Perhaps this is what the people are clamoring to be manipulated because of the almost close to impossible odds, but it could really happen. Unless the streamed draw is recorded, then that would be cheating. However, there is also no proof that the draw isn't live because they always do it live in accordance to the rule of transparency. I suppose the 433 people are just so lucky because the odds were on their favor during that day.

Yup, I also don't believe that this will help the economy.

After seeing some users sharing their skills/knowledge on statistics, I do believe now that the result was rigged so the government must do something to sanction/punish those responsible for this.

A single person having two winning tickets is a clear manifestation that this whole thing is a setup. Not so long ago, I and my colleagues at work agreed that each one of us would buy a lotto ticket and if ever one of us wins, the winnings will be shared with our group of 15. We do that because we think by doing so increases our chance of winning but after two years of betting, nothing fortunate has happened to our plan and now I saw the news that one person has two winning tickets, that insane.

There is a thing called coincidence that can happen.

I am not used to the lottery system, but I will say anything is possible. People talk a lot and will always have something to say when something doesn't go in their favor, It is a human nature that some of them possess.

The chances of such occurrence to happen within the span of a human lifetime is so astronomically low it may as well be zero. A statistician and a physicist on Facebook created a rundown of the numbers and how low the chances are of the said denominations to come up in the draw, as well as the huge amount of winners to boot. This may as well be rigged or controlled in some way or another by the ones who facilitate our local lottery, granted that the same organization had received much flak in the past few decades due to their ties with corruption. (The gambling organization that set this lottery up is controlled by the central government of the Philippines, and much of the tax that they cut from the winners are returned to the government funding for "facilitation of projects of good governance".

I might have to believe of what you are saying is true if you show different ticket with the same as divisible with 9 or something. Although, we don't have a proof that they could manipulate the results but if there's a proof then what you have said might be true. But is it really rigged or can be manipulated when the prize would reach that high? It is a direct scam from the people if proven that they could rigged the game and that would create a chaos to all the citizens betting on a lottery ticket.

I would say it's just a mere coincidence, the lottery results are completely random and I don't think the results are prefixed because the randomness keep the lottery results based on completely luck based which keep engaging more and more people because they think they can hit the jackpot one day.

Lottery company will not go into the loss at any situations since they sell more tickets than the actual prize money so why they are going to fix the results before the draw which is like ruining their duck which gives golden egg everytime.

I agree with you. Each new roll does not depend on the previous one, so I do not exclude the fact that the combination could well be accidental.

Even if the lottery is run by the government, it makes no sense for them to manipulate the results, because that would lead to a reduction in lottery sales, if not a scandal. Lottery owners make a lot of money even without faking the results. Therefore, I personally think that they are not interested in cheating.

A delusional explanation, if in the last paragraph they didn’t mention that people like to bet on beautiful numbers, then this whole explanation could be safely thrown into the trash. The penultimate paragraph is completely superfluous - I got the impression that this explanation was written only to demonstrate their own mathematical skills.
I wonder, those who still doubt the honesty of this lottery, how do they explain the phenomenal number of winners? As "a simple and imperceptible way for anyone" to steal the winnings among "your people"? Seriously?

Well there was a 1 in 29 million chance that those exact numbers fell out by pure coincidence. But that probability would go up if you consider all the relevant lotteries in the world. So somewhere, at some point in time, a lottery would definitely spit out those exact numbers.

All those winners were superstitious gamblers who just bet on the multiples of 9 every time then sounds like a good explanation.

But what about other "beautiful numbers"? Why have we not seen this happen before? That might be a better question to ask ourselves before we start high-roading a guy with a PhD.



The probability of getting two same rolls in a row is a perspective of a starting point. If you have not rolled the dice yet, then the probability of you getting both rolls with the same number is (1/6)*(1/6) = 1/36 (about 2.77%). The "endpoint" probability is what is important here. I think that might be the thing you guys are confused by. In other words, you could flip a coin and try to get heads 100 times in a row. It would not be as easy as getting heads twice in a row, would it?

You know what's sadder? That is if the bettor trust that number for a long time and then switch out to a new number thinking that its a bad number and boom it suddenly came out one day but I think this is becoming a mainstream for a lottery bettor and some will just move on easily.

Lottery bettors know that it's also possible for other people to win so the first thing that they will do is to check out the number of winners before saying that they win the full amount but it's not even full as there are huge taxes that will be deducted through it. This the disadvantage of those government based lotteries because they can get too much cut for our winnings but I think this isn't experienced in crypto lotteries.

I wonder when the organizers of the lottery will guess to publish statistics on the combinations on which the largest number of people bet money? I think someone bets on 1,2,3,4,5,6 and someone on 3,13,23,33,43,53, etc. Obviously, if they prove that many people bet on certain combinations of numbers, then the result of this lottery draw will not raise questions even for those who do not understand anything about statistics. Or the organizers do not have the opportunity to obtain such data?

It is certainly possible. The processing of such statistical data in today's IT age is no problem at all.
Do you have live TV coverage of your state lottery? If so, they almost always announce after each draw whether the jackpot has been drawn and how many winners there are in that round. That means that the computer processes all winning combinations of paid tickets at the moment when all the numbers are drawn.

The possibilities are always there, but the odds are contradictory.
Plus, the suspicion became even stronger when the report about 1 bettor with 2 jackpot winning tickets surfaced in the internet.
https://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2022/10/3/one-bettor-owned-two-winning-tickets-PCSO-grand-lotto.html (https://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2022/10/3/one-bettor-owned-two-winning-tickets-PCSO-grand-lotto.html)
Though you can always do it even with 3 or more tickets, but that doesn't really make sense because you yourself knew there could only be 1 or 2 person in the country that has the same combination as you.
Your initiative would always prefer to bet on a different combination for you to increase the probability of winning with 2 tickets in a different combinations.

Well, investigation will be conducted for this as this news became viral, and I guess only the lottery outlets where these 433 jackpot winners placed their bets could solve this issue with an accurate data and evidence.

Technically anything and everything is statistically possible isn't it? I'm not familiar with this lottery in particular, and it would come as no surprise to me if lottery's were cheating like this, but I think it's entirely possible, although of course unlikely. 

This is why I don't play the lotto.  "You can't win if you don't play" I get that, but I just don't trust it overall.