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Title: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: gene on December 10, 2011, 02:29:49 PM http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/09/the-foot-cavalry-of-the-99-percent/
Quote Occupy Wall Street is a peaceful, nonviolent movement, but, like it or not, it’s still one half of a class war. You would be in denial if you pondered over the events of last fall and thought of them as anything other than an unsuccessful military campaign, smashed by superior numbers and resources, but walking away in tact with important tactical victories against the propaganda of the “1%,” as a little TET Offensive on American soil. As painful as it is even for someone as cynical as I am (and that’s pretty cynical) to acknowledge it, that’s the way the bought and paid for municipal governments of the “1%” and their heavily armed bands of blue uniformed mercenaries think of it. Quote You may have voted for them, but they do not work for you. They do not care about you. They care only about the “1%” who funded their campaigns and who promise to offer them high paying jobs after their terms expire. When they think of you, if they think of you at all, and they probably think of you only rarely, they think of you as the dehumanized enemy, as slopes, as gooks, as Hajis, as niggers at the bottom of the slave boat, or as those annoying native American tribes who are occupying the land they want to use for a government subsidized railroad. Quote You also scare them. They know they won a short term victory. They also remember that the French, in the short run, won the Battle of Algiers. The goal of the “foot cavalry of the 99%” this winter is to maneuver while remaining together as an army, not to scatter but to redeploy in anticipation of the weather turning warm next spring. What is the role of a distributed currency? How can it be used to finance an ideological war - truly, the most effective type of war. All soldiers need equiment. They need comms, information, and weapons - in this case ideological weapons to counter the sea of corporate propaganda which washes over us each day. This is only part of the picture, but you had better see what is going on around us. You can be sure that central planners of the establishment are paying attention. They are very aware of what is going on and are doing their best to obscure it. Spring is coming. Now is the time to expand networks of finance, intelligence, and communication. This is the role of the IT worker. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: ElectricMucus on December 10, 2011, 02:35:52 PM OP is a classical example of unwarranted self-importance.
Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: ThomasV on December 10, 2011, 03:12:14 PM OP is a classical example of unwarranted self-importance. and what are you?Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: ElectricMucus on December 10, 2011, 03:45:01 PM OP is a classical example of unwarranted self-importance. and what are you?Just warning others so they don't succumb to the same fallacy as OP has. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: dancupid on December 10, 2011, 04:59:46 PM ows has achieved nothing and will continue to achieve nothing and will all vote for obama just like they were told to do in 2008. I won't be voting for Obama (I'm not American though, so that probably explains it). The history of the world is not the history of politics, it's the history of technology. French people 100 years ago had the same standard of living as Americans 100 years ago - as they do today. Both countries have entirely different political histories and yet at any point in time they share almost identical standards of living - the same can be said of every other country that shares the same technological history and advantages. The only thing that affects standard of living is technology and access to it - the LLRRLLLLRRRLLRLLRRR or LLLLRRLRRRRLRRLRLLR of politics in your own country is irrelevant. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: Andrew Bitcoiner on December 10, 2011, 05:09:18 PM ows has achieved nothing and will continue to achieve nothing and will all vote for obama just like they were told to do in 2008. I won't be voting for Obama (I'm not American though, so that probably explains it). The history of the world is not the history of politics, it's the history of technology. French people 100 years ago had the same standard of living as Americans 100 years ago - as they do today. Both countries have entirely different political histories and yet at any point in time they share almost identical standards of living - the same can be said of every other country that shares the same technological history and advantages. The only thing that affects standard of living is technology and access to it - the LLRRLLLLRRRLLRLLRRR or LLLLRRLRRRRLRRLRLLR of politics in your own country is irrelevant. the hidden reason for the LLLLRRLRRRRLRRLRLLR fight can be reduced to the question "who gets the money?" so it is in fact very important just not a fight ordinary people can play at and win. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: BurtW on December 10, 2011, 05:10:36 PM Quote the LLRRLLLLRRRLLRLLRRR or LLLLRRLRRRRLRRLRLLR of politics in your own country is irrelevant +1, just the illusion of choice, the super bowl or world cup to keep the masses busy (entertained) arguing about nothing. "who gets the money?" has already been answered. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: cbeast on December 10, 2011, 05:24:19 PM China has already won this game. It's time to put away the game of scarcity and play a more mature game.
Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: dancupid on December 10, 2011, 05:31:46 PM ows has achieved nothing and will continue to achieve nothing and will all vote for obama just like they were told to do in 2008. I won't be voting for Obama (I'm not American though, so that probably explains it). The history of the world is not the history of politics, it's the history of technology. French people 100 years ago had the same standard of living as Americans 100 years ago - as they do today. Both countries have entirely different political histories and yet at any point in time they share almost identical standards of living - the same can be said of every other country that shares the same technological history and advantages. The only thing that affects standard of living is technology and access to it - the LLRRLLLLRRRLLRLLRRR or LLLLRRLRRRRLRRLRLLR of politics in your own country is irrelevant. the hidden reason for the LLLLRRLRRRRLRRLRLLR fight can be reduced to the question "who gets the money?" so it is in fact very important just not a fight ordinary people can play at and win. They don't need to worry about it - all they need is a mechanism that ensures they have access to the latest technology - that's all history shows. I don't care who get's the money as long as I can access Twitter (I'm in China and have a VPN so even that isn't a problem) Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: BurtW on December 10, 2011, 05:32:02 PM I think the game we have been playing is called "consume". Consumer society. Hey don't "they" call us "consumers". That is just what we are to "them". In the current economic system our job is to consume. Just look at what happens when we stop. The entire thust of the media is then directed at getting us to get back to our job and consume again.
I think this is where Bitcoin is the most dangerous. The current system relies on an unlimitted supply of fiat currency to drive the consumption process. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: bittersweet on December 10, 2011, 05:49:18 PM China has already won this game. It's time to put away the game of scarcity and play a more mature game. Scarcity isn't a game. It's reality in the physical world. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: dancupid on December 10, 2011, 05:55:29 PM China has already won this game. It's time to put away the game of scarcity and play a more mature game. The Chinese government has just defined poverty in China as an income of less the $1 per day. I'm sure the 400 million Chinese who earn this daily may disagree with you. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: Mageant on December 10, 2011, 05:59:03 PM China has already won this game. It's time to put away the game of scarcity and play a more mature game. Scarcity isn't a game. It's reality in the physical world. It's an artificial reality. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: cbeast on December 10, 2011, 06:00:29 PM China has already won this game. It's time to put away the game of scarcity and play a more mature game. The Chinese government has just defined poverty in China as an income of less the $1 per day. I'm sure the 400 million Chinese who earn this daily may disagree with you. It won't be long before many more Americans are starving as well. China is reinvesting their wealth in infrastructure. America is disintegrating. China has already won this game. It's time to put away the game of scarcity and play a more mature game. Scarcity isn't a game. It's reality in the physical world. It depends on what you value. If carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen are the most valuable things to you, then not so much. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: dancupid on December 10, 2011, 06:07:26 PM China has already won this game. It's time to put away the game of scarcity and play a more mature game. The Chinese government has just defined poverty in China as an income of less the $1 per day. I'm sure the 400 million Chinese who earn this daily may disagree with you. It won't be long before many more Americans are starving as well. China is reinvesting their wealth in infrastructure. America is disintegrating. Yeah well the Americans have the vote - so it's their choice. If America wants to fail then it's up to the people of America. The Chinese have no such choice. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: gene on December 10, 2011, 06:24:34 PM The only thing that affects standard of living is technology and access to it Interesting. Distributed currencies may do to commerce and economies what the printing press did to the spread of information. Is that an overstatement or an understatement? The triple entry ledger seems a revolutionary accounting method. Gutenberg's invention certainly revolutionized information in a way not to be replicated until this past decade. Truly, the genie is out of the bottle. Forever. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: cbeast on December 10, 2011, 06:34:48 PM It won't be long before many more Americans are starving as well. China is reinvesting their wealth in infrastructure. America is disintegrating. Yeah well the Americans have the vote - so it's their choice. If America wants to fail then it's up to the people of America. The Chinese have no such choice. It's interesting this concept of democracy. It has failed in every attempt of institution. Why is America any different? People are willfully ignorant everywhere. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: the joint on December 10, 2011, 06:36:14 PM ows has achieved nothing and will continue to achieve nothing and will all vote for obama just like they were told to do in 2008. I won't be voting for Obama (I'm not American though, so that probably explains it). The history of the world is not the history of politics, it's the history of technology. French people 100 years ago had the same standard of living as Americans 100 years ago - as they do today. Both countries have entirely different political histories and yet at any point in time they share almost identical standards of living - the same can be said of every other country that shares the same technological history and advantages. The only thing that affects standard of living is technology and access to it - the LLRRLLLLRRRLLRLLRRR or LLLLRRLRRRRLRRLRLLR of politics in your own country is irrelevant. the hidden reason for the LLLLRRLRRRRLRRLRLLR fight can be reduced to the question "who gets the money?" so it is in fact very important just not a fight ordinary people can play at and win. Well, the hidden reason for the UDUDLRLRBABA select start is for the power up. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: Red Emerald on December 10, 2011, 06:46:49 PM I think people love to use the word "war." I really don't want this to be a war or think this is a war. It may be very important, but I don't want people on either side to die and thats usually a big part of wars.
Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: gene on December 10, 2011, 06:50:33 PM It's interesting this concept of democracy. It has failed in every attempt of institution. Why is America any different? People are willfully ignorant everywhere. In the US, democracy has been vigorously undermined at nearly every opportunity. It's no wonder it has failed - it has hardly ever existed to begin with. Also, rulers tend to do their best to maintain people ignorant. The methods being used in the US are the most sophisticated in history. The hatred of democracy on this board - and by American right-wing libertarians in particluar - comes from corporate propaganda to keep people ignorant of American history. It has succeeded. Quote I think people love to use the word "war." I really don't want this to be a war or think this is a war. It may be very important, but I don't want people on either side to die and thats usually a big part of wars. The word is used to describe "a state of competition, conflict, or hostility between different people or groups." It certainly applies in the case of economic hostilities which threaten the livelihoods of untold millions - and when people don't have shelter, health care or food, well... they either die or kill to stay alive. It's no joke. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: gene on December 10, 2011, 09:38:31 PM Oh man, I nearly died laughing reading that one. You should be a comedian. Or a senator. Is your last name Kennedy by chance? Tell others how to live their lives why don't you, you seem really good at that. And tell them how much they should be be taxed for 'enlightened' and 'progressive' social welfare programs. You're playing into the hands of the system by identifying and shaming people who want to be left alone by a government that was predominantly elected by those involved in the occupy wall street mob. Highly disingenuous on your part. Your side is the power, get it? Struck a nerve, have I? You assume far too much about me. Self-identifying American liberals nauseate me about as much as self-identifying American libertarians. They are different peanuts on the same steaming turd. By the way, I can't recall the number of "libertarians" around here who openly express disdain for democracy, so I don't see how I can be shaming them - they assert it proudly. Or maybe you didn't get the memo? "Democracy is two wolves and a hen" ... or some other such mindless trite motto. Quote I got news for you buckaroo, most Americans- and most people in general- don't give a shit about history. Stay out of other people's business, when the going gets tough some of us haven't forgotten how to get down to business (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Massacre). ... ok ... :-\ Quote Even more hilarious is your implied threat of social darwinism to disenfranchise those people who hold politically incorrect views. Remind me to not turn my back on this one in a dark ally, your entire style reeks of the treachery of a good cause in the same tradition as Robespierre, Lenin, and FDR. What I described is the brutal state of affairs which typically unfolds when power corners the population. It is not a threat of anything - it is what has happened over and over and over again. I wonder, do you even know what 'social darwinism' is? Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: Red Emerald on December 10, 2011, 10:17:23 PM I got news for you buckaroo, most Americans- and most people in general- don't give a shit about history. Stay out of other people's business, when the going gets tough some of us haven't forgotten how to get down to business (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Massacre). So we don't give a shit about history, and yet look back to the civil war for guidance? I'm confused...Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: paraipan on December 10, 2011, 11:29:04 PM I think the game we have been playing is called "consume". Consumer society. Hey don't "they" call us "consumers". That is just what we are to "them". In the current economic system our job is to consume. Just look at what happens when we stop. The entire thrust of the media is then directed at getting us to get back to our job and consume again. (fixed two typos in your post)I think this is where Bitcoin is the most dangerous. The current system relies on an unlimited supply of fiat currency to drive the consumption process. +1, bitcoin is a game changer, we become "producers" ...try not to feed the trolls guys Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: westkybitcoins on December 11, 2011, 03:15:15 AM China has already won this game. It's time to put away the game of scarcity and play a more mature game. Scarcity is real. Resources ARE literally limited. But yes, ingenuity and technology can overcome that. By now, we have the means to let everyone on earth work a simple day labor job in exchange for their basic needs. Too bad evil, corrupt men keep hindering this, and insisting it is impossible. ("Overpopulation! We need central control! Trust us!") Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: ineededausername on December 11, 2011, 03:48:46 AM By the way, I can't recall the number of "libertarians" around here who openly express disdain for democracy That's not out of any love for authoritarianism, it's more sort of, "I'd rather decide for myself than have society decide for me." Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: westkybitcoins on December 11, 2011, 05:39:42 AM By the way, I can't recall the number of "libertarians" around here who openly express disdain for democracy That's not out of any love for authoritarianism, it's more sort of, "I'd rather decide for myself than have society decide for me." +1 Still have a hard time understanding how "You live your life, I live mine, and let's not aggress against each other," is such a despised concept to some. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: Harvey on December 11, 2011, 05:51:53 AM By the way, I can't recall the number of "libertarians" around here who openly express disdain for democracy That's not out of any love for authoritarianism, it's more sort of, "I'd rather decide for myself than have society decide for me." +1 Still have a hard time understanding how "You live your life, I live mine, and let's not aggress against each other," is such a despised concept to some. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: Gabi on December 11, 2011, 01:23:20 PM War... war never changes
Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: tbdunamis on December 15, 2011, 05:02:04 AM I got news for you buckaroo, most Americans- and most people in general- don't give a shit about history. For the record, I love history. This may be due to the fact that my family history is documented in a book that covers the past 500 years. It is a unique subject that demonstrates the cause and effect relationship as to how the issues of the present have come to pass. This is why there is the quote which says that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It has only been since the days of the French Revolution, and the advent of the uniformitarian worldview that people have embraced the idea that they are too intelligent to consider the past. And that has spawned the quote: one thing that a man learns from studying history is that man learns nothing from history. I almost feel sorry for such people. Title: Re: This is a war. Do you realize it? Post by: Andrew Bitcoiner on December 15, 2011, 05:22:13 AM I got news for you buckaroo, most Americans- and most people in general- don't give a shit about history. For the record, I love history. This may be due to the fact that my family history is documented in a book that covers the past 500 years. It is a unique subject that demonstrates the cause and effect relationship as to how the issues of the present have come to pass. This is why there is the quote which says that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It has only been since the days of the French Revolution, and the advent of the uniformitarian worldview that people have embraced the idea that they are too intelligent to consider the past. And that has spawned the quote: one thing that a man learns from studying history is that man learns nothing from history. I almost feel sorry for such people. I imagine we would have some good discussions. ;D |