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Last Saturday, I was listening to the radio when I came across a Christian ministry program that piqued my interest. I was enjoying the ministration of the man of God for about 15 minutes before the program was coming to an end, and then when the pastor began to pray and share some testimonies. I feared when he made mention of how he had prayed for a brother who traded Bitcoin and became financially free; how people's businesses were doing great; how individuals he prayed for were excelling in their business; and some were getting new jobs. I was jolted into shock when he said, "I have prayed for people that trade Bitcoin, and they are making  profit." I don't really know what he meant by that. He was either referring to Forex trading or something else I don't know, but if it is a Bitcoin investment, I am certain enough to believe that prayer and prophecy don't work for Bitcoin.

I know lots of people are so religious they believe what their pastor tells them. I'm not saying prophecy doesn't work for those that believe in it, but all I'm saying is to everyone reading this, Bitcoin price movement doesn't work by prophecy or prayer.

Lastly, the man of God said, "Come to church on Sunday and receive your blessings from God. Are you doing business, self-employed, working, or trading Bitcoin? Come and be blessed".
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I can't go to church and believe a prophecy that Bitcoin's price will increase by a certain amount, and this is not what any one should do.

I don't know about church prophecy about bitcoin and whatnot, however, we have seen already specially those early birds becoming rich and millionaires because of their bitcoin investment.

So I guess we don't need to believed in those kind of prophecy, or if we can call it prophecy already because we have seen that there is indeed a cycle and every 4 years there is a bull run that will make money for everyone.

Very few spread the word of God in the right way. Majority have chosen it as a profession that brings big money. These people move according to the trend, and what we see here is one such incident. He have understood about people making use of bitcoin. This can be used during prayers to attract people who have succeeded out of it as well as who have been suffering out of cryptocurrency investment. Good is to follow God and pray directly than following these pastors.

Either ways people tend to call bitcoin price by prophesy, prediction, research or analysis, bitcoin will always work by the norms in controlling it price through the demand and supply, we've heard some even claiming Satoshi and the likes, some even do assume the whales are the ones controlling the bitcoin price and so many assumptions, bitcoin don't listen to news because its a news on itself.

This will still be up to the person itself. There are a lot of people out there that believe in these kinds of prophecy, we can't blame them, that's their vision and beliefs. For me. this is normal as long as you don't do illegal things or not appropriate things.
This becomes the normal nature of a man. So, if ever Bitcoin creates a new all-time-high and they are thankful for God because of it, so be it.

Of course, others may be religious here, but we know that prayer can't influence the price movement of bitcoin. It will be just either bear or bear market.

Maybe there could be others that can "influence" the price movement, but I don't think it will be the biggest factor. Price is dictated by the basic economic law: supply and demand.

A prophecy is usually inexact. And a prophecy about bitcoin price reaching a certain amount can easily become true, since it doesn't have a time constraint.
So it ends up into either getting to the expected price, either to "patience, my son".

However, advertising at the church bitcoin or any investments is risky: it can easily make (impatient and rather poor) people poorer instead of richer. And they may turn against bitcoin and also against the church.

If that's the way of his preaching, all about blessings and financial matters. You'll learn more about those people that are against that type of preaching.
Some pastors really are using others' misfortune in life and try to gain members through that way of talking about finances and blessings. But if it's proven that his members are experiencing that, then that's a good thing for them and it's up to their beliefs and faith.

We have the same belief that it's not but for that person, he said he prayed for, it worked.

in investing in bitcoin do not rely on forecasts,
because you may be deceived or the prediction is wrong.

better analyze the market itself,
because investing in bitcoin requires analysis and knowledge of trading and crypto,
it will be better.

Anyone who believes the pastor and his prophecy about bitcoin's price movement is simply gullible. Sadly, I am there are a lot of newbies out there who become victims. I wouldn't be surprise if in his church he says that "God wants the members to donate $100 worth of bitcoin". God has nothing to do with bitcoin. He doesn't care about it nor any other crypto currency and any pastor who instead should focus on preaching the truth of the scripture and is instead making false prophesy about the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is serving mammon and not God. 

Religion has not only become a tool for control; it has now become a cash cow for clerics
The preacher you were listening to is either being misleading on purpose or he’s a sham. Most likely, he’s both and he’s fishing for new sheep for his flock.
Lying and defrauding in the name of the lord. Just great.

Definitely not prophecy, but belief.

Actually, based on my understanding, to some believers they do think that investment is like gambling. I came across with a colleague way back 4 years ago when Bitcoin and other cryptos were also at its peak of popularity, before its downfall. I have opened up to him what am I doing to earn extra money and he's against with the idea. But fortunately, he's not someone who would look down on you simply because you have an opposite perspective.

In my case I am also a believer but I do separate religion/belief to other things especially if it will just form conflicts. As long as it is legal, I guess it would be fine.

People easily fall for these kind of talks when connected to God. The preacher have done it in the right way knowing what is happening around and what people are expecting. We people need to be careful handling such situations. Because, loss and profiting out of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies happens out of the volatility. We need to learn and try the best, praying to God for the betterment of the market is good. But, the same doesn't have anything to do with these kind of preachers.

When you grow older like 18 and have seen enough injustice in this cruel world, you know religion is not helping but even helping a country divide itself.

But you know having a Christian life as a child will mold a kid to behave well and abide by laws. It doesn't even matter anymore whether Christ is real or not, the teachings help make a person human. Whether the pastor is saying the truth or not about Bitcoin members, it's his way for his people to keep the faith.

Everyone has faith and faith is not bad, but we need to know one thing that success comes from our tireless efforts, not just sitting around and praying, everything will go our way would like. God will not bless those who are lazy, do not try, but only look forward to  blessings, God does not have much time to care about such people. You can pray about anything you want to achieve but work hard to achieve it because nothing comes naturally from the sky.

Don't sum this up as a prophecy because there is none, you and I know people talk to their pastor to pray for whatever it is they do in life mostly from the African part of the world because they believe so much in what their pastor preaches.
This is nothing new, am sure this is a discussion the man of God had with some members of his congregation and decided to mentioned it while praying.

Religion is a sacred thing, but what is wrong here is human behavior, many subjects have taken advantage of the people's trust to make profit, creating misunderstandings for people about the purpose of current religions. It is absurd for someone to believe that certain prophecies or prayers will come true without any effort. Not only bitcoin, but with any market, any business field will always have many fluctuations and if you want to profit from them, just take the time to learn about them, and how they work. We will get what we want.

I agree with you,  maybe the Man of God was just sharing a testimonys of other bitcoiners that turned to millionaire to his members to be part of this potential movement that made some people feel is a prophecy. Praying for people to have the knowledge of Bitcoin in the church is not a bad thing, because the Man of God has seen what Bitcoin has done to some countries that made it legal. But, it's not advisable to trade your coins in this bearish market because of prophecy man of God gave in the church, because prophecy has nothing to do with Bitcoin price.

No, that is not true. God has all the time, he created the Time but the issue here is with the people. No one is saying prayer is wrong, we pray for different things every day including Bitcoin trading, and hopefully, their faith can guide them to Investing and hodling till the right time maybe there are others in that same church that have gone through that before. However we know, if you don't have any idea of trading and Investing in Bitcoin (putting in the work) you can not just sit and expect everything to fall in place because of prayers from someone, so even those giving testimony must have put in some effort.

Whether Bitcoin will move according to prophecy or not I don't think that's the important thing because the important is how we who believe in it but doesn't do anything even though the prophecy happens then you will not get any profit, and believe me a lot of false prophecies are unfortunate if someone does something like bought btc because they believed what the preacher said but after that the market went into a bearish condition as it is today.
From what the preacher said, it was quite interesting because in my country more preacher actually consider Bitcoin illegal because it is like gambling and this is also clearly wrong.

Newbies are gullible, and some of the newbies that are not well exposed to cryptocurrency investment could take up the prophecy for themselves and purchase Bitcoin because of the pastor's prophecy. But after buying, they find out that the prophecy doesn't work in a week or months, then they run into conclusion about their losses.

Idk, isn't it simply coincidence? Or the person in talk is just a rather skilled person. If you prophesized a skilled person to win a tournament, does that automatically mean that the person won due to the "prophecy"? That's undermining everything else that actually happened. I wouldn't put past it that luck of sorts was included, but a person's prediction about him is in definitely no way involved. Sports bettors would be called Gods in the sports industry if so.

Religion is really outside of whatever decides the market movement, there's actually no point in relying on it or believing anything about it that indicates anything about crypto.

That's why I pointed it out. The Bitcoin price/market doesn't work by any form of prophecy. There's a saying that "what must be, must be". So in the crypto market, prophecy or no prophecy, what must be, must be. I created this thread for the information of some newbies or some overly religious types of people who will definitely bring in the crypto market in faith and prophecy. It's pointless to even say that Bitcoin was $19,000 yesterday. You prayed for it to grow to $22,000 in a few days. Coincidentally, it came to that price and it worked by prophecy. Even without the prophecy, if the price of Bitcoin was to be $22k in a few days, nothing would have stopped it.

Prayers and prophecies are quite different things. Religion adapts to its times and finds ways of showing people that they need it. Especially institutionalized religion, like churches. So this program just shows that Bitcoin is popular enough for a church minister to mention it and to be something people like want to receive blessings for. I guess it depends on denomination and church, but in my country Orthodox churches quite often can be used for services like putting holy water on a car to protect it and stuff like that. So the whole idea of blessings for trading doesn't surprise me. But I do think it gives people false hope, and it can make people reckless, so it's not good that churches do stuff like that.

To me, it is completely pointless to connect Bitcoin and religion the way some do, even though today everyone can found their own religion and preach in the way they want. It is true that some people may be misled in this way, so I think that people in such positions should refrain from anything that could be perceived as financial advice.

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Of course I agree with you, but there is a person on the forum who claims that with his actions he can influence the price of Bitcoin, and the whole thing is of course based on faith and belief that if he asks the creator to move the price to $22 000 he will listen to him because he is special (or so he thinks). I have never had any sympathy for religious fanatics of any kind, although I respect any religion that makes people better towards others and themselves.

In the last days many false prophets will appear and lead many astray. “In the confusion, lying preachers will come forward and deceive a lot of people." - This is one prophecy that you can believe, because it is true.  ;)

There are a lot of false prophets out there, that are just preaching for a salary and for the income.... they will put up a show to entertain people... so that they can become more popular and so that they can get more money.

Stay away from these false prophets.... and whatever they have to say about Bitcoin.  ::)

Actually it seems Bitcoin price doesn't work by prophecy, but I'm certain there is nothing God can't do. Prayers answereth all things, this I'm certain and if prayers truly answereth all things, then prophecy might tend to affect the price of Bitcoin. Remember the holy bible said that "without prophecy my people are nothing" and prophecy doesn't work alone but along side with fate in the things unseen.

I really don't know of the place and source the prophecy and pastor was coming from but I've seen situations where the gender of an unborn child was changed to safe a woman of her marriage through prophecy. So if the gender of a full human can be changed, then there is nothing God can't do through prophecy from the right source. Don't judge spiritual things with canal eyes and minds.

Let me get this, please. The "creator" he meant is what I am confused about. Does he mean being special to Satoshi or to God? (Which creator).

That's perfectly a nice thing though, but most of the time, some followers are gullible and get misled in the guid.

It doesn't work at all. Ever since 2009 till date, nothing like that.



Prayer answereth all things, like you said, but you also forgot that applying wisdom is the proper solution to a lot of things. It is just like you praying that God should not allow your wallet to get hacked, but you are exposing your private key publicly. Your wisdom should tell you to move your assets to another wallet if your private key gets exposed, instead of praying for your wallet not to get hacked.

Let me give you another scenario. If Bitcoin was to hit $100k by October 2024, and your pastor prayed for you and asked you to buy Bitcoin now and HODL it till 2024, and eventually we are in 2024 and Bitcoin spikes to $100,000, are you going to tell me that if your pastor had not prayed, Bitcoin would not have reached $100k? What if the price did not get to that? What would you also say then?

I hope people know how to do research on their own and don't buy bitcoin just because the pastor told them to buy it or because they listened to the pastor's prophecy, honestly people seem to have short memory or an amnesia, until recently we had many cases of covid in which everyone was locked in the house and even the churches were closed so and people watched many people die, who saw any pastor perform a miracle to cure covid? no one saw it so why do people still believe it? the saddest part is that there are people who prefer to go hungry, without food, without electricity without water at home and take money to pay bills to go and give the pastor so that the pastor can work miracles in their lives, this is something insane, what what the pastor is doing can have serious consequences, because believers will take money to pay bills and go buy bitcoin and as they don't know that the price of bitcoin can take years or years to go up a lot, these people will go into despair

I'm pretty sure the member I'm referring to is referring to god, not whoever created Bitcoin. Satoshi was an ordinary man with an idea that some other people had before him, and he, unlike them, managed to implement that idea into a work that managed to catch on. No matter what some people live in their fantasies, Bitcoin was invented by man, all the time it is powered by technology controlled by people, and god (whatever one calls him) surely has much more important work to do than dealing with technology and finance ;)

More false prophets come-up with new explanation. These days preachers have begun to make explanations without analysing the true meaning on the religious book. Recently in a religious group a preacher requested help to pay his car insurance. His followers were poor people and what he mentioned, what you do to the preacher will give you good return. This will surely make those poor people do the best of their ability to the preacher.

As in the above quote, preaching about the god have turned to be money making. This have made more people turn to be preachers, who doesn't have any base about the religion.

That's the point. People must not be deceived by the prophecy thing, especially when it concerns the crypto market. It's pointless to even think about it. If the so-said prophecy must work for Bitcoin, then there are lots of prophets. One can prophecy for Bitcoin to be $17k today so that their followers can buy, after which they make another prophecy for the price to go to $25k so the followers can as well sell. LoL 😂

Like you said lastly and lastly it was where the pastor wanted to land his prophecy to bring more passengers to his vehicle of deceiving people. The pastor is not the only one to do that. People will keep to get deceived because they are looking further than what reality is and reality is to learn, get the knowledge of bitcoin, blockchain or trading the bitcoin or others not to rely on prophecy for bitcoin price changing because of you. This will be another wonder of our world, not possible.. What is possible is to learn.

I'm a muslim and i've seen many samples like that from our religious scholars. It's like a tradition for decades it doesn't matter which religion. Every religion leader, scholar etc gave speeches about new technological improvements. Some of them might be logical but most of them based on their nonsense opinions. For me if its logical its fine for me. Because first verse of Quran is "read" not "listen or follow your religious leader or scholar" The God gave us brain for to use it not for renting some religious persons.

Is this pastor from a Christian sect or something? ;D Maybe he's a protestant, metodist or baptist pastor.
Preaching and praying about making more money seems weird to me. Jesus Christ was against the traders in the temple. How would a true Christian pastor preach about trading and making profits? The relations between religion and trading ware antagonistic for centuries.
Thinking that prayers would improve your financial situation seems very kinda dumb and superstitious. The only thing that could potentially improve your financial situation is hard work.

It's just an assumption for some people who think so. While I don't think of it that way because investing is a good job to do for anyone who has a personal desire. Because if you and some of the people you mean think that investment is like gambling, then anything related to investing with the aim of making a profit, you must consider it as gambling.
That shouldn't be the case, because investments can't only be run on Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, but there are so many ways you can start investing as long as it's better for you and everyone else.

Rather it's just some mere speculations where it has a higher chance of happening based on the past history chart of the bitcoins price. They dragging their cult for some kind of recognition but in reality, this kind of scenario will likely happen because of the bitcoin halvings.

People should know how the history of the bitcoin price or just educate themselves to avoid such kinds of scams nowadays because these guys have always come up with a new strategy and they will not cease doing these kinds of strange gigs as long as they can get money from it.

Why do people listen to prophecies? I don’t understand. It’s just worth delving into the study and analyzing the market yourself rather than believing in grandma’s fairy tales.

Actually The Bible and the prophecies also talk about false prophets who use the name of God, his word and the name of his Son to deceive people on this world for personal interests and gains. That is the case of most religious authorities nowadays, so you have to be careful on who you believe, especially when they connect faith and attending to their churches to financial success and independence.

There is nothing wrong in earning money, but faith goes much beyond this matter and can't be thought as a magical tool to fill someone's pocket by preachers that look more mystical than religious men, to say the truth.

Nice narration and conclusion by you, but I see things different here. As much as I don't believe in any prophecy when it comes to gambling and investments, yet, it is rather good news to hear about BTC from a religious leader. This is a prove of the increasing popularity of the coin and I love that. With time, it is the popularity and mentions that would provoke people into adopting it more, especially when their leaders and role models adopt it. It is a matter of time before more members of the man's church would join because of him.

I thought you're shock thinking that you will now be blessed like the others. What he said there is too easy to understand but I wonder why you didn't get it. Is there a btc that is also a forex? Obviously, there's nothing because btc is different from forex. He said btc so he is only referring to those who trade with btc. He didn't mentioned btc investors but you can request to include it.

Prayer and prophecy might work effectively as long you teamed it up with hard work. It's okay to not believe on their claims but you should try to go to the church for other reasons or to pray for the blessing that you are continuously receiving whether it is small or big.

Dont know on why people are really that a fan on attaching up Bitcoin into some prophecy or religious aspect which i dont really see for it to be that relevant.
Its a digital currency with having a specific usage or utility just like on what we are seeing on fiat.

It all talks about on how people do able to engage on both utility and investment on the same time.
It will really be indeed vary but lets just respect on someones approach even though its not really something sensible in this regard.

From what Lucius said in the quote below, it's not bad for making people better towards others and themselves.
The only aspect I don't support the man of God is the prophecy he made about the price of Bitcoin.


 I know that story from Mathew 21:12&13 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3fsearch=Matthew%2b21:11-20&version=NIV&interface=amp),
But in this case, the pastor is not offering any service for cash.

 
I did not say he preached about trading, but he preached the word of the holy bible. It was after preaching, during the prayer session, that he prayed for more blessings and prophecied about Bitcoin. He also gave a testimony of praying for a member and their Bitcoin price increase.


I don't think it's been up to a century since the introduction of Bitcoin/crypto trading.



Really dumb and misleading to newbies.

Prayer brings victory, which is true. In that aspect there can be coincidence with the price increase. Just think we pray for us and for the people around us. We'll ask for everything we want, but something we know it is quite hard for now but lets pray to God. In that way praying for increase in price is just a wish and sometimes there might be coincidence.

When it comes to pastor mentioning about it, I find it as a base for money and an indirect way of trying to find the portfolio of his followers.

It's true that the price of Bitcoin does not work by prophecy or prayer, but you can pray to be successful in what you're up to. This will come to reality if you also work hard and not just waiting, like if you want to achieve something, it will only happen if you take an effort and work hard to make it possible. Instead of prophecy, the belief of these people who are investing in Bitcoin is the reason why they're holding. We have different reasoning on why we chose to believe but regardless of what you do, dont rely too much on prayer, prophecy or anything that has no concrete basis to be accurate.