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Lately it seems that Pi network is growing day by day.  Who can touch Bitcoin on the Pi network?  Many say that the Pi Network will overtake Bitcoin.  I had a bit of a laugh when I heard about the Bitcoin leak.  Bitcoin is the number one coin in cryptocurrency.  I don't think comparing any coin to Bitcoin is anything but silly.  But what is your opinion?  If anyone has an idea about pi network, please let me know.

The whole idea behind pi smells fishy. Looks like a scam and nothing more.

"the bitcoin leak"? I'm on bitcointalk allmost every day... Mostly in the technical subforums, but i have never heared about "the bitcoin leak"... Can't find any info using google either. What is "the bitcoin leak"?

I'm not a big fan of those new altcoins... Especially if they start spreading information that they'll take over the biggest and most trusted coin. Always smells fishy to me aswell.

I just took my sweet precious time and scoured the Internet for 'bitcoin leak' and of course, came up empty. Just another buzz word to throw us off the stink of this Pi Network ish. Yes, it stinks, Pi Network has been around for close to 3 years and nothing comes up of it, apart from the Mainnet launch which hasn't changed much

is this project still available? The last time I followed was still in the mainet stage, has there been any progress?
By the way, you are indirectly comparing bitcoin with the PI you mean,
stop dreaming buddy leave, and look for real and proven ones like doge coins maybe or something else

It's a scam coin, even Pi is worse than a shitcoin in our market. If I remember correctly, Pi has been in development for more than 5 years and until now it has not been traded on any exchange, not even a junk exchange. It's worse than meme coin because meme has trading volume, and for Pi, it's nothing but the illusion of pi fans. It can't even compare to meme, never compare it to bitcoin, there is no such thing as a free lunch, be careful with Pi or you will regret it.

for the umpteenth time I read a thread like this, and it never stops I will also say the pi network is a scam,
can't believe the OP gave an empty opinion about the bitcoin leak, out of nowhere the source did the OP get,
logically 3 years running there is no progress, and only ends in mainet  without any clarity

Scam tokens with so many dumb supporters that being very delutional to overtake bitcoin. It's better for those people to realize the fact if that's a scam coin and no more. We have been very familiar with your coin. That's a scam coin and it's already proven.
It's better if you read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0 I know that if you are only shilling your scam coin.

Pi network is scam since there's no way for legit coins or tokens can be mined via phone, moreover a phone with a low spec CPU can mine Pi network without any problem lol, this is a red flag.

From discovered until right now Bitcoin has never been leaked, a centralized sites that has a Bitcoin inside the sites is the one which actually been leaked or hacked. Previously 51% attack is a hot topic in Bitcoin, but it's high unlikely will happen due to difficulty has rise up and another one is quantum computing, but the fact is quantum computing still not able to break Bitcoin security.

Different tactics have been used to promote a project. It is same as that of the MLM, because more the referral more will be the coin getting mined. As it is free to mine, just through an application it has got 50+ million application downloads. This could've brought good revenue to the developers. Pi network had its roadmap and updates, but there is nothing on the lineup. This makes it a completely a scam.

This is obviously a scam and tricking people into that they get a huge profit-earning PI on their app. PI mining app has running ads and even if you turn off the ads, it will still run in the background without you knowing.

Much better to avoid this kind of tactic since you are just making them rich and mining on the app is not really happening, you are just getting an airdrop.

Total silliness. My opinion is that Pi Network just wanted to steal your identity given that their system was kinda shady at its best. The idea is that you should stay away with it, it has been said that they'll release mainnet by Dec 2021 and here we are, nothing yet.

Funny, indeed. Do you know how many tokens/coins that have been rumoured to overtake Bitcoin? If I get to collect a dollar each time that claim is made, I would've been in substantial wealth by now. Well, for your information Pi is not a reality (that's putting it mildly, anyway) and it's likely it would end that way after stressing people and giving them false hope. There were others like TBC and BTCs which were rumoured to be the next BTC. They disappeared overnight 😆

This scam has been going on for years. People don't really get anything from the pi network. At best, they are giving their personal info for free with hopes of getting some Pi coins and its value shooting up someday (which isn't going to happen anyway). Lots of tokens have been created with absurd takes on how they will topple bitcoin down, but not a single one of them ever did. Some came close (ETH) but still isn't enough to take down bitcoin's dominance.

Pi network is a scam business. Tell me one simple thing, if a coin is available for free using your mobile phone, can you tell me how on earth it would have value? Or how on earth someone will pay for it? If you understand this, you will understand that Pi network will never succeed.

If  by any chance Pi network gets listed in exchanges, the owner will simply sell of their holdings at the first go and leave the market. Also why do they need our KYC?

I have known about Pi network even before knowing this forum. I was introduced with a referral link to keep mining, that Pi will overtake bitcoin in the future.

I minned for a short time because of my ignorance and also because of the saying "no one knows the pregnancy that carries a King"
But at a certain time, I stopped mining and forgot about the project. I removed everything from my phone, I was like, if this be an opportunity let it slide.

Later on I now became aware of this forum, then my eyes opened about fake coins and kyc things. There is no doubt they have a very large community, but the project owners have started using the community for advertisement and other things making money from it.
I don't really know when the project will become a reality but I know it will not have an effect to be compared to Eth or Bnb let alone BTC.

What... Pi is on BTT what the heck broo. Its really unbelievable I thought the newbies on BTT are far more mature than the whatsapp group posters but you proved me totally wrong dude.
Now when i speak or write Pi is scamming my fingers and vocal says ohh noo again. dude Pi is a perfect ponzi scam as you can ee their KYC is unavailable after years of mining and waiting and bro really i won't even be surprised if i see one post that Pi started its trading officially and its getting massive pumps it will be scam for me on that time too as Shib was and its not even close to shib hype..

Even if Bitcoin, Ethereum, BNB are not equivalent to them, the price of each pie is two or five dollars.  But then it will be very good.  And if they do scam then there will be no talk about this coin.  But no matter what, some people still find that Bitcoin will go closer to it.  But they didn't stop dreaming about it.  Let's see how far the network can go in the future.  Or in a few days everything will be gone.  After a few days if it is seen that there is no coin in cryptocurrency called Pi Network.

PI network is not a crypto coin. is just some random number in a database. literally a non-sense.
no exchange, no mining, no transfers.... nothing....

it's also a big risk providing data to them, there is an entire discussion/topic created by Leviathan.007 that summarize all threats behind this project https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0

I will not trust something like this, and of course these "numbers" will never make you earn any real amount of money.
It's a while we are talking about them and it's still the same "non-sense" without any development or any real-use case.

Pi Network?

You mean the scam coin that you can "mine" on your phone that isn't even designed to mine anything? Growing in what terms?

Many lied to you that the Pi Network will overtake Bitcoin

Yeah, Pi Network is out there and is coming up even though some people think it is a scam project but I don't for now until it is. Most other projects outside Bitcoin have in one way or another been seen as a lesser projects even if I don't want to use the word SCAM. Also, we know how every other coin/token and even Exchange that do KYC seem as not good but are they actually not good because they do KYC? However, I don't see Pi Network passing Bitcoin in any way. 

I saw the news a few days ago that Pi is being marketed through the network, after buying something from a shop, Pi is paying off his debt by making transactions.  To you though it seems like a scam.  I don't think it's a scam.  Pi will never come close to Bitcoin though.  But Pi Coin will be limited to two to five dollars.

Their updates seem like fakes and they always have some kind of good news in every field which seems unrealistic. This kind of crypto doesn't meet the criteria of a successful coin let alone taking over bitcoins. Don't be fooled by that adoption news in any businesses with Pi because if they truly have those widespread liquidities, we already see them on news right now but they haven't even gotten there and the worse part is, many people believe that they are actually gonna get something by mining Pi.

It's truly laughable when they're having that belief that a non-existent project that is still in its testing phase for so long is being said will take over bitcoin.
There's too much with these believers that they've been waiting for it so long and they've got nothing to think about but overtaking bitcoin. It's not even being traded on any exchange or if there's any then it is only available on its own platform. Don't waste your time looking and being curious with that project.

you mean 2 to 5 dollars for it's complete market cap, right?

Many believe it and most of them are newbies who have very little knowledge about how cryptocurrencies work, even how to get the coins by just installing the application on their smartphone they consider it as mining, that's indicates that the believers do not also know how mining works which requires equipment and resources

It is growing because many look already deceived as the popularity of mining to get crypto increases. Pi network promises reward in crypto (pi) daily to people who visit their platform to mine Hence the noticeable growth in the pi network. People are usually attracted by the promise of rewards, and it restrict rational thinking. Many of them may soon discover that maybe they have been wasting their time all along and should have invested more time to other cryptocurrencies.

Here is what I know about PI network mining.I am active here as mining since 2020.Many say the Pi mining network will overtake Bitcoin.It's ridiculous though and looking at their platform shows they're making a lot of progress.They have their own browser, they have their core team.They have 24 hours support team. I heard their number of mining people was over 35 million before.While Bitcoin may not be able to pull back, they seem to be building a good position.I am still active in pi mining.My total pi number is 4992.
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Although the Pi Network is unreliable at the moment but it's not impossible to get lucky one Day. for example (Zoom apk) luck is when the pandemic happened , previously no one was Interested  in Zoom apk. For Pi miner pleas  continue and don't regret if there is no result. I've also tried the Pi Network, but no  noticeable signs of progress.

Exactly, they thought that mining is like that as easy as it goes through their smartphones, and boom, it's ready to go. Heck no, that's not how it goes and they've been just told that they're like mining and doing the simulation all over their phone.
And even if some tokens of this project go into their balance, are they able to trade them on exchanges? No, and how many years has it gone to the public when they've been known? They should have the idea already by now because if not, they're just wasting their hopes on this project and their precious time.

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Could not upload full video.  And I don't know how to upload the complete video.  But what I think in the future Pi will show something.  What we could not think. I am sorry to say that I could not upload the full video. So you will see as much as I have uploaded. See they comment about Pi.

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Keep dreaming forever and minting until your phone will be exploded. That's a scam coin. This coin exist since a few years ago and did nothing. There are enough proof for that. The newbie like you that keep blindly believing without doing any research and then think about a few dollar for each scam coin as the price is actually a non sense thing. Why don't you even say it will worth two digits? PI shillers are always saying non sense thing. False claim to be mined by millions of users

In your words I assume pi network scammer.  I will not see what happens in the future.  But now you help me a little.  If there is any trusted mining site, give me.  I can do nothing but bounty.  Even if I do bounty Twitter champion, Facebook champion, Telegram champion, I can't do any other campaign.  Please give me any mining site.  Then it would be very useful for me.

I find it very silly when a Pi network miner thinks that there is a future with the Pi network mining. I don't know what gives them the initiative to think that Pi network mining will replace bitcoin someday. What a stupid imagination. Only those that are naive in crypto partake in the Pi network mining.

In what sense that they're growing day by day?
I have a guy who invited me to mine that Pi sh*tcoin a few years back (2017 If I'm not mistaken), it was actually an airdrop btw. But look at how it's been doing today, this coin desperately wants to level with Bitcoin, but it's not even close.
I've seen a lot of their promoters in social media and I really find it very annoying lol.

 -  Growing up? Where? or growing in the number of their victims to take funds from those who do not know the Pi network? Woe to those fooled by it. I see a lot of their events and tricks in different parts of the world.

Their community is said to be growing but even on an exchange platform, you won't see Pi listed. Trading only takes place on Pi via person-to-person. Also, for all the coins that appeared in this industry that said they would surpass bitcoin, many of them are gone and if there are any left, they are not as loud as when they were just starting, like BTG or BCH. it's theirs.

I once was mining pi coin but I had to stop because I don't think pi was worth my time.
Comparing pi to Bitcoin is BS.
if they will ever be a time when pi will get to Bitcoin level that will be in the next decade >:(  >:(

The trust, that people gained with PI is now slowly disappearing. If a coin takes so long to hit the market, no one can trust it. On the other hand PI shares their news after many days later. I feel disgusted even hearing the name of PI at the moment. I am no longer optimistic about this massive supply coins.

Threads regarding Pi Network always pop if not weekly, monthly. Growing day by day? You're joking right?

I also always see posts in Facebook regarding Pi Network and just a few days ago, I saw a post regarding him and CZ of Binance, and he added Pi Network to the caption saying that you must bought Pi Network now that he and CZ got a picture already. That poster has a shirt with the logo of Pi as well. I mean WTF!! Is this how desperate the Pi Network supporters now.

One of the most laughable phrases that I always heard is that "Coin X will overcome Bitcoin" blah blah blah. When I always hear this, I immediately reject that project and will not make research of it. I mean for how many years, there are many altcoins saying that they will overcome Bitcoin, but no one can ever do it. My idea about Pi Network? It's a project that I will not touch even though it has a large community of stupid investors.

If I remember correctly, it has been in development for 3 years and so far has not run the mainnet and is not listed on any exchange. But admittedly it has a huge community and blindly believes in what this PI coin claims. I don't understand why these people have been madly believing in this trash coin all these years without any profit or benefit. If they had gone after bitcoin with the time they spent on the Pi, things would probably have been a lot different for them now.

Wow supporter from this coin is still exist till this day, how much coins that have been mined so far? Pi was a garbage coin with no value. Mining this coin just like wasting energy for nothing. it was contributing only to the global warming. People didn't even realize if they have been mined the garbage coin. that's it. I hope that any miners of this coin will realize and start to leave from mining this coin asap. dead coin is a dead coin.

I'm on the 'it's a scam' side of this coin. Just check twitter, 90% of all posts that even mention pi coin are from scammers shilling this 'coin' to people in promise that its going to get to 314k (pi, 3.14...)

Pretty sure they're stealing your data with their 'mining' app that you stick on your phone

Check people that saying that pi network we over take Bitcoin, you we understand that they are newbie, or someone used them as a referral, while hype on pi network as the best, that not even near Tron Network or polygon Matic network, no talk of Ethereum network. Na almighty Bitcoin. Information is very important, I think does that speak over taken need information and also educate them not to be carried away.

Currently the price of pi is above two dollars.  I won't sell it yet though.  Still I wanted to pay 200 pies.  But seeing that my account has not been kycd, I could not give the sale.  I think Pi may have some surprises ahead.

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Pi will make a big scam at some point. Then the destruction of those who did mining or will invest is inevitable.

People have different opinions about Pi Networks.  Some say the Pi is a scammer while others say the future of the Pi network is very bright.  Who is managing the Pi network?  Only they can tell how far Pi Network will go in the future.  And like you, I have achieved something.

Large community? You're right, your community is growing, I can see that on other social media platforms like Twitter and the telegram channel group. And I've seen a lot of people being hyped or hyped about Pi, to be honest. There are also many savages and greedy for money. So I won't be surprised if one day I hear that there was a big scam victim in cryptocurrency.

So what do you say, you earn through daily mining tasks? mining with mobile phones? This is a big joke. Then it's easy to make a story dude here in the forum. And you said that it has not yet been listed on any exchange in the cryptocurrency industry. I'm just here to tell you that there are many blind communities in the Pi network, it's been several years until now there hasn't been an exchange in crypto, only stupid people will believe in this, and poor people will only be carried away because of the hype that the Pi network is doing, and then I think they have a big target to get funds from people. Good luck to those who believe in the Pi network.

I don’t know it’s SCAM or not, but i see it’s implementing for the last a few years but still it’s not officially listed on the exchanges, i don’t know what's is their strategy. But it’s true that a big number of peoples still mining this token even they trading it unofficially as like P2P, just miners are so profitable end of the day.  

i have mine PI, mining  few years ago , and i never mine again since late 2019, i never had high hopes on this project because i already tasted it a scam , if you are interested you can take mine

The concept of the projector Pi network you are talking about is not very useful to me. These mining sites are scammed and lost from the market at the maximum time. So I will tell everyone to try to stay away from these mining sites. Many times these scam projects create good hype then it seems these projects 100% Legit But at the end of the day it may be seen that they survive in the market for a few days and then everyone runs away causing many investors to suffer losses

My guess is that it's one of the requirement to shill this coin for them to withdraw their pi coins but that won't happen because like you said, this coin was a scam and only after the people's data (KYC). They are not contented with that but they also put ads inside their app.

It's crazy that those poor people are the ones who help them earn money. I have a friend who tried this before because he believes that this is going to be the next bitcoin. The op is right. This was really the impression of those people who got involved on a scam project like this. If only those people do their research more and read feedback from different sources, they will know the truth.

Right, it’s already traded in such way p2p, while it’s not listed in the crypto exchanges yet. Right now pi token mining isn’t worthy, only who guys have a lots of referral still they earning good amount of tokens. But be careful will go to deal as like p2p, high possibility to get SCAM if without escrow.

In order to be able to trade internally, they force you to complete KYC and as I know not everyone can accept KYC, it just picks randomly, that suffices to suggest it's a phishing project trying to steal users' information. That's not taking into account the risk when you install their mining app right on your phone, I don't know if they are secretly stealing other users' private information on the phone or not. There are so many shady things around this coin, it is really a cross-border scam project like the onecoin of the old days.

Do you understand what it's like to be silly? In fact, it's happening and proving you're being silly in this space. Don't fool yourself when comparing them. Let's be more clear about any issues you want to explore here. I have also heard about PI, but in the context of everything about it that I have witnessed, it has a supportive community of amateurs and a lack of technological knowledge, so it is easy to manipulate knowledge with it, and the very nature in which it is operating is more like MLM. So being honest with yourself is like thinking about a stone and a gold nugget. They both have their own merits, but that doesn't mean they compete here.

Then i was hearing about this Pi network my brother was as well mining using his smartphone through their app, i was like asking what is he doing that app he said is Pi, he even advised me to use his ref link to sign up. i didn't even show much concerning because i don't have the feeling for altcoin after my past experience with apps and mining ect.
Lastly I don't get that feeling of Pi network to over take bitcoin the king of all cryptocurrencies no way.

In my apinion, The idea behind the Pi coin is to create a low difficulty scrypt coin for CPU and GPU miners. The Pi Wallet (Bitcoin wallet) allows users to send and receive bitcoins and is a product of the later Pi Network.

The Pi network allows users to earn bitcoin currency. It provides a single interface through which transactions with virtual currencies can be made. All these features and tools are available in one place, making it easy for people to use and enabling them to enjoy the benefits of using this virtual currency.

So where will the future of Bitcoin go from here? Wherever it goes, I think PI network mining is also worth paying attention to and BTC remains the KING of all coins.

When we see "Many say that the Pi Network will overtake Bitcoin" it's just spam for marketing purposes... comparing some coins with top coins sound like it's the next big thing! It's not worth reading after that, the project that uses these strategies for advertising doesn't have anything good to offer, except big words in hope that people will check it out.

Pi network is around for years, and I don't believe they will be able to do anything serious in the future. It's not the only project with the "mining coins with smartphones" idea, and in my opinion all of them are not worth paying attention to!

Whats with the negative with PI. Ive been mining my PI Coins since the start. Its not eating my phone memory 1 tap every 24 hours then close. Even if this is a scam coin or shitty coin will still mine it everyday until the dev stop posting updates.

How long have you been mining PI it took me two years to realize that this is not worth it, many have given up because after 5 years they are not interested in building the project, they just want to make money out of their users and they still asking for KYC which is risky, I hope you dig deep and check the history and the many bad feedbacks of this coin so you'll realize that this coin is a shitcoin and has no future, just imagine already 5 years and they are not yet in the market.

That means no one can't send tokens by p2p without identity verification?  I owned some pi tokens but i didn’t long in my account for the long time, i heard it can be send without kyc a few months ago, i don’t know what about current situation of this token. Why who guy can't complete kyc if submit properly?   

TI means I have a small quantity which I will present to you now. But according to your opinion PI will never reach that good position. Because it has been like this for a long time No action was taken. Due to which now I have also lost faith in PI mining. Now currently their project should do some development. So that everyone believes in it.

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That is silly and that is not even a possibility because that will never happen. Pi should not be competing against Bitcoin because it cannot even compete against the low level shitcoins in the market. Rather than comparing or taking the throne of Bitcoin, the Pi team should instead compare their project with itself. They should focus on its own development because it seems they are stuck in level one until now.

Many early Pi supporters have their phones destroyed and changed already and yet each Pi remains 0 in value.

Not entirely convinced with Pi network. Up till now I've heard colleagues and friends alike saying that the value will shoot up to 100 bucks a piece, but it's been years now, liquidity is still nowhere to be found. If I'm allowed to speculate, with the permissions you grant the app before being "allowed" to cloud mine on their platform, I am guessing they are selling your information embedded on the device to third-party ad managers that they then turn to profit for themselves. So, not only are they stiffing you off that promise they gave years ago, they also had the audacity to sell your info. And even this wasn't true, their promises of risk-free cryptocurrency mining is too sketchy in every stretch of the imagination.

I don’t know how they competing with Bitcoin even they're not listed on the exchanges yet, because i think their promises will never end, but team isn’t to interested to list pi coin, lol. I was early pi network miner but i feel it's not safe to mine in my mobile phone then i quite from it because it’s just waste to time.

Yeah the pi, they are famous for stealing the kyc documents in my country. We literally thinking about it gives me flashback how we used to install their app and it used to mine the pi in background. However, we also encountered few social posts that pi is heating up their phones and its very risky when the phone is left for charging as it used to get even hotter. This is definitely one those coin who ain't gonna pay back what it did while on the phone. It's mere scam of mining on the millions of phones together. Imagine how much devs might be collecting with small small hashes coming together. Pi network for me and my friends is straight away scam. If it is paying someone then good for them.  ;)

Don't get your hopes up with this scam project. No network can outperform Bitcoin, Forget it, can you tell me the reason for their delay in listing Pi coins so far? I see that their request for KYC from users is a way to give users a sense of security that they are mining in an honest project. There are millions of users who have been mining for years to no avail, was this whole thing worth this mining? And how is mining done through an application without heavy equipment and energy consumption? If Pi Network is not a marketing scam, I believe it will revolutionize the crypto world. Just an opinion

A project cannot be trusted when the same thing is being said for a long time. Pi Networks has been in the same position for years. Although they have asked for KYC. But it is beyond my understanding that a project takes such a long time to launch. I have personally distanced myself from the project as well as stopped the mining process. Although many people said that the coin of this project will come to the market soon but that was not happen. Now many are reporting it as a scam or just kill your time.

I also think it is not wise to use this apps or project as it is just stealing our data and only wasting our time .Because according to their word or plan, a big work is coming in 2022.  There were rumors that they would be listing on an exchange in 2022 and that Pi Coins could be used in a variety of ways, but nothing has been seen since 2022.  I would say these are best avoided to protect against data theft.

I don't like this kind of junk token, in addition to stealing user information, they always make false promises without making any commitment to their users. But today, there is a surprise for me, and I think everyone will be as surprised as I am. Huobi just announced that they would support the Pi mainnet and are looking at the possibility of listing PI on their exchange. This news is quite unexpected, but it could be good news for those who are mining this token.
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Some of those newbies were told to "Lock UP" their pi coin for a certain number of years to earn more Pi coins of their investment, I tried to convince some them  on unrealistic about such venture, unfortunately turned a deaf ear to my explanation, infact a guy in my country is offering coffee in exchange for pi coin he is hoping to accumulate as many pi coin as possible with the hope of recouping his investment in the nearest future when pi coin is launched in an exchange having the mindset that pi coin will thrive well and higher than Bitcoin in term of price, believe me those guys remain adamant despite all my explanations on fruitless mining their so-called pi coins.

I don't follow pi news anymore but I once had several people who where really interested in mining pi and since all they needed was just a mobile phone and a good internet connection they all jumped into it but right now I don't see any of them mining anymore I guess their zeal might have died off or they have all lost their interest in the project.
I don't believe anything good will come out from the project eventually they are going to devise a way to chase away all those who have been mining the coin so that they won't claim their rewards.

In this case i said that pi network is a mining app which we done a task we daily one click and we collect a pi coin Daily basis alot of people use this app and the second thing is that the project look like amazing they already launch there mainnet and soon they list there token unofficially the sell and buy of pi token are ongoing so my opinion is that use this app its a crypto not miss any chance.

If at all I had any iota of trust for Huobi in the first place, this stance of theirs to support the elusive Pi thing would piss me off. That was how I got deceived in my crypto formative year (2017) to buy Swisscoin because Coinexchange which was a big exchange back in the day listed it only for us to discover it was merely used as a dump ground. It's the same thing I envisage with Huobi and Pi. It's going to be a dump ground if eventually it's listed there.

Perhaps maybe because people easily jump to conclusions without waiting to see the outcome, this is the reason why it is wrong to conclude. Pi network deserved to be launched in a decent exchange considering the time it has taken for the mainnet to be launched. Those who kept mining despite the listing details were not known will be the lucky ones, this is such great news for all the pi network supporters.   

I was seriously mining the pi network coin but at a time I lost interest. It should be upto 2 years I abandoned the project and I am not regretting it.
The project could be a very successful one but it should not be compared to bitcoin for whatever reasons

I am still confused how the network make there money because if the total supply is given to miners then how does the project team make money to keep the project steady because I don't really understand the ideas of the team. I have mine before then when it was new and now I can't mine again and I have lost all my pi because I refused to do KYC which is a no for me.

True. This is a typical example of scam project which involved millions of people in mining and they  pinned their hopes with this project which is not going to be Lised on any exchange in the foreseeable future. Millions of coins mined during the past years, from where the liquidity will be provided when all those coins will be dumped in the market for selling & who will buy them when there is no strong use case.

wow you are too bold to say that this is comparable to bitcoin and as if it will be worth someday after years of only talk about price but still not getting a cent there lol.

Mining here and not regretting it is your right but don't be too confident with it at least you should know that the comparison starts from the smallest first don't go straight to bitcoin because the comparison is too far and I won't even say this is a comparison because it looks like it's ridiculous to compare Pi to bitcoin.

It seems that he is one of the shillers of this Pi coin. There are so many Pi coin shillers around the internet especially on social media where they get the most tractions. I've also seen merchants who accepts pi coin, I don't know if it's legit or just for the sake of marketing of this sh*tcoin. The whole background of Pi coin even their mining idea, It feels fishy. There are some members here who analyze and see through the mining mechanism of this coin and the results where logically correct. This coin is just hyped over social media and I don't see any future in it. I hope that those who really believe this coin knows what's behind the project.

I've seen the news that XT.com listed this token that has been there for a long time, so for the first time it's been listed by that exchange. I don't even use that exchange but I've seen I think advertisements everywhere.
Well, the bad news is that after being listed there, the deposits and withdrawals aren't working yet. Maybe it's just a yet and they'll fix it to prove those dislikers like me of this project that they are for real.

I just saw someone bragging that it was trading at $23, which is really a gimmick that XT.com is doing to attract users. I believe they will soon open the deposit and withdrawal function, but this will definitely be a huge trap because after this news, the price of PI on the black market will be pushed up, and many greedy newbies will be caught in this vortex. They will be willing to buy PI for $10 on the black market and then deposit it to FT.com in hopes of selling for a higher price, and then there will be dumping of below $1 of big players. My advice, we should stay away from them no matter how profitable they are.

The pi network token was listed on Huobi today.  There prices have risen above $30 . This token is very hyped right now.  And the price is only going up but it can fall any time so it is very risky to invest here now as the price has increased at an excessive rate since listing. It will come down to $3-4 again And I think it will happen very soon because nothing lasts long the hype that we have seen so many times before

I don't think that PI network will survive the massive dump if they allow the withdrawal and the possibility that they will limit it. Still, I have a doubt about their strategy to make people believe that they are really legit and not collecting data about the miner.

It's a tactic for them since they will surely take advantage of people just like getting a profit from every ads on their mobile app.

I guess the ,pi company is using a strategy where they can create some kind of hype for their token in the market.  And can make people believe that they are going to have a very good position in the market . So I never think of stepping into this fad.  And advise everyone to be careful . Opening its withdrawal will depreciate its value very quickly

I have heard about this PI Network for a long time, in Indonesia this coin always appears in various Facebook groups and telegram groups. I'm not interested since I found this coin for the first time, even though I've seen PI Network for a long time, around 2020, it's already shared by a lot of member on Facebook group (maybe it could take longer). Lately, someone has said if PI Network is used as payment in Indonesia, this is clearly a violation, because crypto is not legalized as a payment but only for investment commodity asset.

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So, even though the coin will be listed on XT.com or on another exchange, I just want to remind all of you, always research before buying.

Pi Network is already listed on the two exchanges even it’s got listed on the major exchange Huobi, but i have seen there are no buy/sell in the big scale, however it’s exciting news for the holders but i think still this token is locked, so that's very clear this isn’t a real value of Pi Network.

Cryptos are a currency so one of its use cases is for paying but maybe PI will skip the countries where crypto is illegal or illegal as a payment method. I heard that the one that is listed on XT dot com is a different coin and not the original PI coin but even if it's the original, we must still be careful and avoid it if possible. Ever since the start.

I already hear lots of negative feedbacks from them. I think that is enough to not patronize them. There are so many legit coins out there which have a better use case than just a payment method so why not go on them instead of PI? We are sure that they are more profitable but less risky at the same time.

Probably a hype to boost this project and for sure its value is not real, but at least they can prove it now that its not a scam and if ever, lucky to those who trusted this project since then even if many started to call this a scam. Let’s see its real value when those exchanges activate the buy and sell, probably a value lower than a $1, many are still mining this though, so the supply might affect its value.

Agreed. I don't really trust them when i heard about Pi that can be mined with our mobile. The truth is they want us to watch the ads, LOL.  In my country, they targeted some people that have a low knowledge about crypto, and told them about being rich with Pi network. I believe the Pi price now is a fake. and like you said, it Will be dumped after withdrawal is allowed.

Yes we found Pi Network listed on 2 global exchanges. Based on the current market situation, it is in a good phase. However, there is no telling whether they will be able to advance the value of this pi in the future. But according to their thinking and every work is getting good success. Those of you who know more about this pi will have something better to say here. I have been active in pi mining since 2018. I have completed all the systems given by them. I hope to get some good expectations from here.

Not to make a FUD, but their shilling method is what makes me (personally) unsure about this project. FYI, they have online marketplace that operates in Indonesia, with the domain https://pimarket.id/, it is very clear this is an illegal operation, because they use PI as payment on their platform. As I mentioned, using other than Rupiah (IDR) for buying anything is illegal in Indonesia. so, at any time the market service is likely to be taken down in Indonesia and the real FUD may come for this project.

They already made a statement and clear that they are not the one who initiated the listing and its different on their own Pi network, so I don't think if this is just their shilling strategy to make another hype with the project or those exchanges really don't care about what is real or not and they just want to attract users on their platform because of this listing. I'm not familiar that much about Pi network, I just heard this before and got no interest about this, there's still a risk here so be careful.

my guess is, this is done by the team itself. however, their coin-holding community has grown large. but most of the coins are still locked. this is just an effort by the team to make the community have high expectations of what they have done.
after the news of PI being traded, now many people are looking on social media to buy PI. isn't that a successful strategy by project developers? but I'm not sure it will last long.

the Pi being traded for now in 5 or 6 exchanges with a trading volume of $26m is a real value but its in IOU (https://academy.binance.com/en/glossary/iou) state for now since they cannot connect on PI network because its in enclosed mainnet at the moment but once open holders will be able to sell and buy anytime but for sure many will dump which is normal in every coin upon listing on exchanges, Pi network allocated 5B liquidity pool premine (https://minepi.com/blockexplorer/account/GB7HLN74IIY6PENSHHBBJJXWV6IZQDELTBZNXXORDGTL75O4KC5CUXEV#balances) so its not hard for this exchanges to contact Picoreteam and ask for lp pool for much lower value compare to current and allocate to iou coins that simple for them to manipulate coins like what they are doing in all cryptocurrency including bitcoin of course.

That's possible this is a dubious project, for five years they have been manipulating their members into believing that cloud mining through phones can be a long-term legit project and its safe to do KYC in a centralized platform, I left this project after they monetize their platform by showing ads imagine with millions of people using the platform that's huge money and now they are dumping their token to gullible people into thinking that their shit token will be listed after almost five years.
I feel sorry to these people who failed to see that this is a scam project.

The hype around PI is just too much and it's making me become skeptical about them.
For what it's worth, I hope it doesn't end up becoming a scam because some persons have put in a lot of energy and work in mining those coin.
But I wonder what strategy the team is going to put in place to minimize the heavy dump that will follow once they list the coin, the dump is going to be massive because there is too much of the coin already in circulation.

If that is the Pi that people mine with mobile phones which I always thought to be a scam project to be at these levels then congratulations to all the users which I made fun of just one year ago they should be making fun of me now as they most probably have made a lot of money if they withdrew even at 3-4 dollars,these guys had a lot of coins.

If this is another project,then I am happy for the people who participated but I was and still am a bit skeptical about such projects.

people dream too much, even during the day
PI network has never developed at all, maybe after I issue this statement people will chase me, PI network is nothing more than a scam scheme.
and that's only for people who don't have any sanity.
just imagine, their members say PI will exceed bitcoin, 314k$ that shit is a shit.

Yeah, congratulations to them too coz I made fun of them too.
Despite that, I am not still sure that the coin will stand the test of time when it starts trading in exchanges, there are too much of the coin with holders who have been mining for a very long time.

Anyways, what do I know, I may be wrong again.

That's right! As soon as the real coin launches, it will crash hard. It is important not to get excited just because you have done the math and own a few thousand Pi. When it goes live, it has zero chance of being sold at a reasonable price. It will instantly drop to less than a cent due to the sell pressure.

A price is meaningless if you cannot trade, withdraw, or deposit.  DYOR.

Have official announcement about different kind between Pi mining trough mobile phone than Pi already listed on Huobi and Xt exchange market right now, although price drastically pump keep not worth for Pi mining hunter can't sell their coin to exchange market due deposit still close. I don't think have initiative from exchange market want opening deposit as soon possible and has the same network coins Pi earn trough mobile mining phone.

Still not close to earn profit for Pi received from mobile phone mining because they can sell it to dark market and have people want to buy it but have lower price and not the same with exchange market current price right now.

Tell them to fill their bags before PI hits $100k  ;D

They deserve to be scammed.

Bro, it's not real PI token, it is Pi IOU token these tokens usually have a very low supply which makes it easy for exchanges to manipulate the price. And that's what Huobi and Xt did exchange. A few hours ago it was at $319 and now it is $27 don't you see the pump/dump?

Check the chart here: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/pinetwork/

Due to the fact that the deposit and withdrawal are closed, the price of the coin on different exchanges has a different price. And it is obvious that the main manipulators are the exchanges themselves, who use hype to redistribute these coins among gullible exchange participants. Subsequently, this will have negative consequences for the reputation of these exchanges.

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mining for years just by doing a "lightning click". it was very easy to get the coin and expected a consensus price of $314,000, so when the mainnet happened everyone became billionaires, which was amazing. I don't know what they believe until FOMO is too big. The tokens that are currently listed on the Huobi and XT markets are not PI Network Official tokens.
Feel sorry for the people who are willing to sell their cars, motorcycles and other valuables for the payment of Pi coins. I can only laugh and sad to see it.

The Listing of fake Pi coins on different exchanges make it difficult for pi coin, otherwise Pi has a good system running but I can't compare Pi coin to Bitcoin, not even Pi but not a single coin I compare to bitcoin. And another thing the exchanges like houbi, xt, SuperEx etc. Why they are doing this to the Pi coin? Is it the team behind it?

I think Coinmarketcap is showing wrong price, because i saw still pi is trading over 200$ in huobi exchange it’s current price, but in CMC it’s price 15$, let's check out here: https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/pi-network
Yeah, that's already proved it’s not a real pi network token, also it’s manipulated price, within few hours it’s hit over 300$ and now around 200$.

Do you remember bitcoin faucet? You can claim 5btc ($335k last ATH rate) for just solving captcha thats how easy to earn bitcoin before if you are earlybird, who knows it will also happen in Pi holders not impossible lets see, but some Pioneers who do not understand how crypto works initiated a fake consensus value which is totally nonsense the so called CV, the tokens being traded in most CEX are IOU tokens if you dont understand how IOU tokens work then google is the key.

I thought it's the original Pi Token that people can earn from mining on smartphones and depositing it on exchanges.
Exchanges use old methods to trap their users, IOUs have been used when ICO was booming but the problem is whether on the Pi Network this can really be traded on exchanges and I'm sure if possible the price will be very low from now maybe under $1 or there is not a buy order because all queued in sell orders. These exchanges give false hope.

Simply supports the idea that there's no such thing as an easy way to earn profit. Many people were fooled by the aforementioned network which was told to give tokens. If incase the projects was released in the market, I doubt that it will have a huge value simply because of its utility and also, the token supply. If something would be easily earned, how come would it have a high demand and high market value? Much better if those people who worked hard for this "faucet", engaged to airdrops and other paying contests in this industry because that would be more worthy of their time.

Again, people, mining is not that easy. You'll need to invest time, money, and effort to make it profitable and not by means of one alone.

What was released on coinmarketcap is a PI coin, but these coins cannot be traded in general, or they still have risks in making transactions. To prove right or wrong the coins listed on coinmarketcap are not on price value, but on blockchain. If the PI mining blockchain with the one listed on coinmarketcap is the same, then it is official from the PI project.

You may not understand what i mean, i just comparing Coingecko and Coinmarketcap price chart, where CMC was wrong, now you let's check out cmc updated in data. Yeahx it’s risk to trade also cmc warned everyone because Pi still not launched their main net but it’s listed on the exchanges.

i know about it. Bitcoin alone top class coin still gave 5btc and is currently worth $335k at last ATH, but look at Pi Network, the unreasonable consensus price target for 1 Pi will ever be met. $314k for 1 Pi, only a fool would believe that. Currently what is being traded on CEX is indeed the Pi IOU token and it is not from the Pi Network, so there is no progress in the price of Pi. Everyone is too fancied to want to get rich instantly

Pi Network They have not officially launched any exchange. Some exchanges have started trading on their own platforms. Pi Network has officially banned trading with this Pi Coin. Their mainnet is not finished yet. Notices have been given to CMC and Coingecko for prohibition and they have recorded the same above.
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It's funny but some circles and groups in our locality have been facilitating the buying and selling of Pi Coins. They are really great in deceiving a lot of people and making them believe that what they're buying is actually worth something, without realizing that they cannot dump Pi in the event that everyone wanted to throw the project overboard. It's been like 2 or 3 years since they announced this project and up to now, no mainnet can be seen and not even a testnet.

It's crazy how people still believe that the promises of the Pi Network will ever come to fruition. Come to think of it, how would exchanges and other entities make money facilitating the trades and exchange of this coin that doesn't even have its mainnet up yet? How can these entities move funds from wallets A to B with certainty that they aren't going to lose something in the process? :D

It's silly when you compare PI and bitcoin. Yes, there was a time when bitcoin was freely available to users via faucet, but have you tried comparing the technology of PI and bitcoin? And why in the last 13 years of the market, thousands of altcoins have been created, but none compares to bitcoin. PI has introduced 4 years ago and so far the mainnet is still incomplete. I don't understand what the hell the PI team is doing, it seems that they are only focused on selling users' data for enjoyment rather than focusing on project development :D :D.

Pi Network is a scam as far as i know and it's complete stupid to compare the project with bitcoin or even Ethereum, even if the token gets listed on exchanges later i don't understand what the coin is built for, the team even deny that the listed PI on huobi is not real, no max supply information and the price per coin is ridiculously unreal.

This project was get exposed since 2020 [1], if there's a user who get scammed from this shitcoin, I don't have any words since it's their own stupidity for not do a depth research. According to coingecko, it has been listed on Huobi and xt.com, but it's not a real coin (IOU) [2]. I think it's a manipulation from the team in order to make this shitcoin is worth, especially an early holder who get this coin free without do anything. So when it has been officially listed, the coin price will drop very fall since people just sold their coins, not buy it.

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[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237735.0
[2] https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/pi-network#markets

everyone talks a lot about the coin, even though they list fake currency the price keeps going up, do you think when the project is really launched the coin won't go up? even those of you who say that the coin is shit will come crying and regretting not having mined it,....

Why can't deposit in any exchanger?  Can pi deposits ever be made or is pi coin only listed for trading futures.  If pi coins can be deposited then many people's lives will be scheduled from here.

What are you congratulating for? Lol.
I'm not even sure if there are really legit people who have garnered the Pi profit already?
I guess you were only looking at how the Pi has been valued, I think you need to check on the exchange or even on CMC to see if these people could make withdrawals.
Nevertheless, if some people could make profit out of it, the strong doubts regarding this coin being a scam still remains.
 
The team behind this are willing to sacrifice many years to scam billions of dollars, coz I've first heard about Pi around 2018 I guess.

It's because the PI that you hold has already made its decision that it will never allow any exchanger to have it.

What you can see on these exchanges that has listed PI, is that they're like futures trading and there's no actual deposit for that PI. Just think of it that they've just made the listing the same with the name of the pi token that you're holding.

But in no means, you'll never be able to sell or transfer that any, ever.

I doubt that there is a possibility that PI mining will make their own exchange if ever they will release it, and in this way, they can control the market price. Still, I don't think PI mining is legit and it's just an airdrop for people who runs their app and calculated the time it was opened.

From what I have learned when it comes to cryptocurrencies, it seems like a really silly thing to compare any coin to Bitcoin. I've seen a lot of discussion and criticism about pi mining at the moment. However, Pi Mining official has not made any announcement to list their token. However Pi Network is listed on many exchanges but no deposits and withdrawals are open on any of the exchanges and it has been suspended. That's why its price is very low and high in different exchanges. Currently Pi Token price is $4.50 on Xt Exchange and Pi Token price is equivalent to $107 on Huobi another top exchange. So calling it a scam I have already faced a lot of losses investing in this token so it seems to me that it is not too late to be a scam.

Everything about PI is manipulation and empty promises they long promised of landing PI on exchanges, so people believed them and do KYC and they even accepted getting their action monetized, but after five years and its still nothing I don't know why people still and keep on believing they are good in psyching and motivating their followers, its no wonder because they are Harvard University graduates.

Yes, Pi has been around for a while now, and some persons have been mining that coin for that long.

A friend even tried convincing me to be mining the coin that it will be a huge project in the future, told him point blank no. I have had similar experience from a coin that was giving out millions of their coin for promotional purpose, while miners were also bagging lots of the coin. Turns out that after the pre-sale , and subsequent listing of the token in an exchange, the token was dumped heavily and price fell to almost zero.

Don't blame about how much Pi network coin price right now already listing on XT, Huobi and Biconomy exchange because has different with Pi mining network. I don't know why many people still comparison with their Pi mining coin and Pi already listed on exchange market, have been one weeks after listing still not opening yet for deposit and withdrawal.

I can laughing only what happened with Pi mining community when showing their Pi mining assets, still not close yet to earn profit with Pi mining network because have dark market want to buy it but under $1, I don't think the holder Pi network mining agree selling under $1 looking current price on exchange market above 100$ right now.

True, because he said that even though the name is the same there, they are still two different things, but there are indeed many people who compare and even equate these things, which are clearly different.
But right now in my area there are lots of people who are in this pi network always exaggerating about it and even they seem proud of having pi there even though it's something that really doesn't need to be proud of because it has nothing to do with the Pi they are mining so far.
Pi is still Pi with all their lies and manipulation.

I highly doubt that as well.

Because if they've got plans about that, they've done that before and with the vast users that they've been fooling around, they can make a huge profit dumping it all at once.

But that's not what they've got on their plan, they've probably a better plan but just to create a ruckus then whoever made this PI listing really made a lot of their users confused.

Whether it's listed or not, it's still the same project that has got no plans at all.

They are truly innocent when it comes to their coins because they thought it is the same coin that they have been mining all these years. They are bragging about it throughout social media but still, there are chances that it will become sellable in the next few months or years to come I don't believe that it will be the same price they are talking about right now because of its nature and the people behind it are not really that popular.

Their announcement was too late, because you know when a several exchanges listed Pi coin, and trade started with good price then most of the people’s believe that it’s a real Pi coin. I see some in telegram groups, some people's buying/selling Pi around 20$-50$ even with KYC verified account, just imagine how much they already lost.  

This coin came in lime light when surprisingly it got listed on Houbi exchange ( while its main net was not launched yet) & its price increased significantly to above $200. However, this price may not be realistic, and it may be a trap for new cryptocurrency investors. When the actual coin, which has a supply of 10 billion, is listed on exchanges, it is likely that the price will decrease significantly as many people who have been mining the coin for years may sell their coins. This could cause the price to drop to few cents.

to develop their community, several accounts on social media also share how ambitious the community is with a coin price that will be very expensive with a very large supply.
but when their official social media announced that the coin was not yet listed on the exchange, it shocked everyone. I guess this is part of the developer's plan to make the PI coin market excited.
I doubt the future of this coin. it will likely be the same as other shitcoin/meme coins.

PI Netwoerk is phenomenal if you head over to Coinmarketcap and search for PI then you will understand how this coin has become amazing now, from $5 maybe at initial launch to $300 in early 2023,
yes since Pi Network listing on Huobi this coin has become a lot of enthusiasts , considering that many people have also mined the Pi Network long ago,
yes, there is no doubt about the fundamentals of the Pi Network being very good, the future of the Pi coin is still long.

There are still innocent people who still have their hopes on the said coin. Most of them are expecting high profits from it and I feel bad for them especially those who don't have enough knowledge on how to determine the potential of a coin. Honestly, I also don't see any future in this coin too. It has made lots of promises but still no improvement for years. I don't see any potential in this project anymore.

what I think is like a big manipulation of the market, the PI community on average doesn't really understand the game of triangles. their brains have been washed with high prices resulting in high hopes later which results in hard to believe. there have been many mining projects like this that have ended in zero and many people have lost everything just for the sake of a scam project

You are absolutely right; it is very mysterious project which has no foreseeable future. The success of any project depends on its market demand, which is created by building its use case, unfortunately it lacks in case of Pi network. The innocent miners who have built high hopes, after its IOU listing on exchanges at high price, will get deeply disappointed when its price will crash, upon listing of original coin. DYOR

I took as much time as is needed and scoured the Web for 'bitcoin spill' and obviously, came up void. Simply one more popular expression to lose us the smell of this Pi Organization Ish. Indeed, it smells, Pi Organization has been around for near 3 years, and nothing comes up of it, aside from the Mainnet sendoff which hasn't changed a lot

My dear friend what are you talking about, Pi is growing nope Pi is trying to scam more people, Let me explain the moment here Pi listed on the exchanges is another scam attempt to the users reputed exchanges never list projects without the request of the project team and community and they charge fees for listing in some cases, and here which coins are listed are no Pi as per team confirmation. So Pi still has no value if you consider it can then its a shitcoin as so many people had so many coins when they are going to open deposits it's going to boom down to the bottom 0.001 or 0001 reasons something is better than nothing and profit booking at low as its free money not invested.

Because Pi network isn’t officially listed on any exchanges so how you will see it’s value? because now which one is listed in the several exchanges it’s absolutely fake coin even it’s pi team statement in their tweet. Huge miners holding pi coin, so it’s price will crash when it will list on the exchanges.

Exchanges like XT.COM and Huobi have famously listed the Pi Coin for trading and have seen the prices boom on their App.

There has been much confusion on social media lately and within Pi Network community circles about the validity of these listings. We all know that KYC is still not fully functional, Pi Network closed mainnet currently does not have a timeline for opening.

But just imagine the hype a fake listing could create, now imagine if it was the real thing !?

It shows how many people are excited. They hope PI will be something.
But I think buying coins that have not been launched but have been listed on the exchange is not a good move. We will lose.
Prices will continue to be manipulated until the Mainnet after that big dump will happen
Better to stay patient. Let's wait and see

How about we stop imagining and we start looking at real life.  Pi is too suspicious to be legitimate.  They officially denied the agreement of a listing and they say Pi has nothing to do with Huobi.  How does Huobi time a false listing with another Exchange?  Some people are going to get burnt so badly from this scam.  It is not the next Bitcoin.  More like the next OneCoin.

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if you call it ridiculous then it is absolutely right. how come PI will overtake bitcoin when PI has not been launched till date?. then we haven't discussed the issue of value which is really very different from bitcoin!,
 I don't think it will be possible if PI will overtake bitcoin !

There's always the hype that's being done by any influential in the market, whether it's from an exchange or a service. Any news that they bring out is becoming trending especially if it's something that will make a lot of people involved and emotional.
I've seen too many participants on mining pi and whoever has made this listing or had that idea is aware of how many are hopeful with it and probably tested if many are going to bike with that hype.

It does look fishy imo, how is it possible for a reputable exchange like Houbi to wrongfully announce a listing of a coin they had no agreement of listing with the dev or project owners? It doesn't add up, so who between them is now bs the general crypto community.
Although I havr friends and relatives that are actively mining pi so I hope it will not all be for nothing, because it will really sucks.

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We see a lot of developments about PI, whether it's regarding blockchain developments, or transaction methods. In addition, the PI network has also been registered on several exchanges, but we can only trade, without being able to make external transactions. If we are talking about whether the PI blockchain can overtake the Bitcoin blockchain, I think it is too early for us to talk about it. I think they have a high level of seriousness in developing this blockchain. We hope this goes well, at least the PI blockchain can be on par with Bitcoin Cash.

I have also followed its development and shared it with my friends, now the issue that is most often discussed is regarding the acceptance of KYC by the PI network, even though there are previous stages that must be passed and are related to potential or not, I have not gone too far into whether it will be true as expected. you say that the Pi Network will overtake Bitcoin in the future.

I do actually hope as you say that after the mainnet launch, Pi might see a good showing in price because we actually saw what happened with even the fake pi coin listed on some exchanges and hope that will relate when the real thing goes live. I hope the team will get things done before this next Bull market fully take shape so we see how the coin will do.

pi mining is seen in the market currently. Currently, this token has become very popular, although it has not yet made any announcement from the Pi community. But I believe that it has the potential to succeed in the future. so if we do not be lazy, there is no harm in doing KYC. Maybe a pi Network success project.

There is nothing big about Pi Network that would justify the late release, and some people are comparing Pi to Bitcoin? This is so ridiculous, the most fitted place for Pi Network is meme coin category, it solve no issue in the crypto space but people like it, yet they have to pass KYC first, very far from the idea behind Bitcoin.

This is an attempt to create hype in the market. So it is better to invest according to your own research without getting involved in any confusion. PI has been thinking of entering the market for a long time but they have not been able to deliver on their promises. However, they are developing and promising to launch their project and include it in the exchange this year. But even if most users support Pi, it will never overtake Bitcoin.

So the current Pi on Huobi exchange has a fake value, because I think about this myself, how can Pi has a high value like that? From 330$ down to 38$ right now, with just a little under 1million volume per day, I don't understand why Huobi and BitMart went ahead and list this coin, its not worth it IMO, maybe these exchange have a way of making money out of the early listing.

Those who have been patiently practicing Pi Manning are going to be successful very soon. Trading will start with a price of around $3 that will be definitely a good reward for the miners and in future it will be reach more than the expectation of us if we can hold it patiently. This is huge opportunity for those who have completed mining activities and KYC.

It is important to note that the Pi Network and Bitcoin are two different cryptocurrencies with distinct features and use cases. Bitcoin was created in 2009 and is the first and largest cryptocurrency in terms of market capitalization. It has a decentralized structure and is used as a store of value, a medium of exchange, and a speculative investment.
Comparing Pi Network to Bitcoin at this stage may not be an accurate or fair comparison

There is lot of talk around PI, the exchanges have listed PI despite the unapproval from the founders and the developers, I wouldn't say the token would not be successfull but the module of operation is not on the rigt track, they need to be open to the public about their real intension and the road map. I also observe the number of users that have been doing KYC on the app, I fear what will happen the day if PI decide to disappear, they have what can give them money if they sell those information to scammers, I remember some big people verying their account to mine pie, what a pity.

So now you can deposit pi mining results to the market?  In my opinion, there are irregularities such as manipulation and discrepancies.  there are several people who flock to look for these coins by buying from the results of miners who have passed the KYC who have obtained pi into their wallets at a price agreed between them.  it's really terrible

They always compare it to bitcoin because they want people to believe that PI will go the same as what bitcoin achieve nowadays. And its so hard to get in that point since knowing bitcoin is well establish already while PI still so shady which many people need to be more careful with. They shouldn't hope to much that they became rich by this since most of the people saying or hyping it are people who want to fool innocent ones and try get some money out from them.

Initially, I bought into this Pi app thing but as time goes I discovered that it is a social experiment that they are carrying out on people maybe in preparation for Universal Basic Income (UBI), I read now they are telling people to start doing KYC before they receive their tokens, this is going nowhere, even if the tokens are released today its price won't amount to much because who is going to be bidding for it since almost everyone now has the tokens in their wallet. To me, it is a social experiment that is being carried out, I stand by this

Pi app is a new cryptocurrency project that is currently in the development phase and it is true that they are using a referral-based system to grow their user base. The project has been marketed as an easy-to-use platform that allows anyone to mine cryptocurrency using their mobile devices. However, the success of the project is uncertain and it is important to be cautious before investing time and money in it. While it is possible that Pi could be a social experiment, it is also possible that it could become a successful

Almost all scam coins use bitcoin presence to promote their scam projects.

They use the bitcoin growth to deceive people and make them believe that their coin will also do the same then it could make them rich if they avail it early.

Feel bad for those people believe about this, maybe they need to research so that their identity will be not in huge risk or their money will fade out and handed it to scammers.

This project is good in the market with good feasibility, the problem with the main mainnet is they prepare too much data to enter at the same time, so it's kind of like KYC Closed maintenance period.

I don't like projects like Pi coin, they have no good utility, they solve no problems on the blockchain, still this doesn't mean it can't do so well, people already embrace the project without a main net launch, I am surprised that the noise is this much and still going, if this project eventually gets launched it will be a success, but the long term development will determine its future because the developers are very slack.

Bitcoin statistics is quite appealing for people to show especially if they want to hype their project and PI use that to make their project look great. But unfortunately many people use pi for their personal gain and they deceive newbies to take advantage then stole their money. So better for new comers to research first before they participate on any investments to avoid losing their money to those scammers and false promises to get rich easily.

I recently called them out in the chat on what the purpose was and why there is no value and in their exact words "pi's mission is to be an everyday use coin for the average person with no value, not to make people rich" which I said makes literally no sense at all how are you gonna have ANY uses without any sort of value and they insta banned me, seems like a full blown scam lmfao. Probably made bank off the ads

Pi has been a promising project for a long time, it has been existing before the likes of Core, Aptos, Arbitrum and many others that have already fully migrated to mainnet. Many people have given up on the project but I have been here for so long and it cost me nothing to keep waiting. I really do hope that something good will come out from this.

This is a joke of the century by saying Pi network will overtake Bitcoin, I have many friends who are so passionate about the hype about Pi network and had been boasting about it price when listed some of them even speculated the price as $314 per Pi having amassed plenty Pi network in their wallet through mining, I told them this is absolutely unrealistic because a lot of them don't know how crypto works, price of a crypto is determined by demand and supply how will Pi coin has a good price when supply sellers massively outweighs buyers when it is listed? Definitely the value will be worthless.

    -   Until now there are still a lot of people who are obsessed with it, I remembered something here in Pi that is now absent in the cryptocurrency industry and it is Onecoin, it was reported to be one of the biggest ponzi schemes that made billions of money from their followers.

This Pi does the same thing, they travel to different countries where they can prey on people, there is even a youtube influencer who is campaigning for it but the views that follow him are low. Something like this-this is what onecoin was doing before, also traveling in different parts of the world.

I guess it's just bullshit, but if it does pay, then congrats to those who have been mining for years, otherwise the news will be quickly forgotten.
I'm not doing the fud here, but it's too good to be true.
imagine price of 1 coin pi is 314k$.

In my opinion, no need to bash Pi Network hence they are just contributing to the crypto industry wherein they have a blockchain technology that are for the masses and from all the walks of life. I don't mind the hype because every project needs that so that everyone can know what is Pi network and to gather supporters as well. Nonetheless, Pi Network will have its turn to prove to doubters that they are not a copy-paste from any previous blockchain once their mainnet is live.

My thoughts on PI are a HYPE product, and they have their own community of supporters and are increasingly showing themselves that they are doing well despite the issues that have been raised a lot in the forums with PI.

Indeed seeing CORE being traded after the mainnet, I think PI will also get FOMO, but in essence and practicality for widespread adoption, like many here, it's not suitable for the top portfolio my long-term investment.

Actually I,m Involved With Pi From 2017 But When I,m Using Pi Apps In My Old Mobile Than My Mobile Phone Wastes And When I Again Buy Another One New Phone Than Many Time I Will Trying To Recovery My Old Pi Account But I Can,t Be Success. But Still Now I Create Another Pi Account And Mining As Well But I,m Upset For My Old Account.Now I Hope I Can Again Mining More Pi With New Account.Many People’s Already Mining So Far.

I have friends mining pi network coins they are too hallucinating I mean the price of pi coins they say exceeds the price of bitcoin even though I saw on Twitter there were no posts from the pi team saying the price of the pi network, I feel sorry for my friends who are too hopeful with such pi prices expensive maybe my friend will experience depression when the price of pi is not what he expected.

But I believe that pi coin will also have time to break through the coin that is currently increasing, because now there are many pros and cons against pi coin, so many don't believe in that, I am also a pi coin miner, but I am not hallucinating like you guys , I leave only the days free, because mining pi coins is also not very time consuming.

Lol, how can the price of Pi coin that has almost infinite supply exceed that of Bitcoin with less than 21 million total supply. Your friends must indeed be hallucinating and it will be kind of you to wake them from their slumber.

I do mine Pi and I hope it finally become a successful project however I am aware of what I am risking. KYC was fast and the app is not harmful to my phone.

They have been there for quite a while and still, they don't have anything to show from their development and progress, I think it is the right time to give their investors some preview and make them use whatever platforms they have even if it's not fully done because they can just simply update what's missing to fully have the platforms they were promising their investors and miners. But all they have done so far is just some false stories and false promises which I would not gonna believe until I see their platform fully usable for everyone.

wrong section or you forgot to use Translation? better to correct or this will be deleted.

use english outside your local section.


still No big exchange listing , maybe they are waiting for the Bull market to push it through but investors must be ready because with how this team acting , Am sure there are no bright future towards this project or maybe be used as pump and dump.

Investors are still waiting and losing their hopes because I have seen some who are desperately selling their coins maybe because they can feel the desperation for long time now.

 Bitcoin has established itself as the number one coin in the market and its value and influence are unmatched.  As for the Pi network, I'm not very familiar with it.
Bitcoin has a great journey and I don't think so any cryptocurrency will over cross the Bitcoin. Bitcoin was the King. Bitcoin is King now. And Bitcoin will remain the Crypto King.

Bitcoin did not established as number1 coin instead it is the pioneer and proven its worth , but why need to
mention Bitcoin in a thread that specifically created for altcoin ? are you off topic by that? lets go back to the issue , PI mining is
 also offered via mobile , back years in our Local there are discussion about this and many said that this is another no future project,
 though now there is a value yet hard to have good exchange to list this so the value stays that low , I believe as of typing there is
25 cents usd value?and overcrossing bitcoin is impossible specially if coin like this, never that it will come .
The investors are starting to lose hopes and asking if there is truly a future towards this project , how much time
that they need to wait until claiming their fruits from that time frame of holding.

Pi network mining is an awesome idea; I know a few of my colleagues that make substantial profits from Pi arbitrage; it's really that simple. Because I know that most of us do not have the patience to wait for such a lengthy amount of time and energy, we ought to instead employ the available alternatives to learn more about our possibilities of earning money via Pi network mining. Though I am still mining, there is a secret to accumulating more Pi: discover an established crypto community that is ready to minned projects without challenging circumstances, then you throw links and gather the vast majority of referrals, and that is basically when you start reaping profits from the Pi project. If it turns out to be a scam or a legitimate project, you have already made a substantial investment.

   As you said, it is correct. Yang Pi is a useless coin, just like the previous Ponzi coins that only used crypto to scam people. The style in which he makes Pi coin is similar to what Onecoin did in the past, which goes around in different places to deceive people who will be victimized.

  Poor people who believe that and know that everyone here in this forum is aware—now with the Bitcoin leak, I don't know what you are talking about. Just be careful of those who don't know.

Honestly those Pi developers had continue to decieve their hodlers false hope they are even forced not to sell or buy massive Pi coin with P2P if detected the owner coin would receive ban of up to 99 years, their hodlers are also advised to "lock up" their Pi coin for many years this just to keep on giving the owners some hope, unfortunately their is no roadmap for the project and funny enough a lot of my colleagues who believe in the project are still banking on the success of the project, they believe that the price of Pi coin would start from $214 when listed in an exchange having amassed lot of pi coin from mining with their phones thus they would become rich in the nearest future of course that is perfectly untrue and realistic.

This is mostly hype and we need to stop hyping pi coin because of what people think or say to attract people to it. I lost total interest on pi coin when a friend informed that pi coin is try to allow ads on his mobile so that they want to pay for the project expenses. It has been king we haven't heard from the team and when they are going to launch the coin which had been making people to ask questions on why the delay. We need to know what we are doing so we don't waste our precious time mining for a long time without any word from the team.

Different people may have different opinions, I think Pi Network is one of the free tokens in the world. Pi Network is essentially how far it can go in the future.  From what I understand about Pi Network it has a community of around 50 million. Pi Network is a slow project though. The mining of this Pi network has been going on for four years, so a question in everyone's mind is whether it will come to the market, whether it will be listed or not. Last six  and seven months pi token migrate option was slow now it is launched many people are completing KYC. As the process is slowly being completed, the final steps for a coin to come to the market are still in progress so hopefully there is a future value. Besides, Pi Network seminars are ongoing in different countries. So I would like to say from my own point of view everyone be patient, good profit can be expected from Pi Token in future.

and that is not a generous way of letting your mobile run ads from 3rd party provider , and PI? the project that can be mined using mobile? yeah I remember it right but is there by any chance that this will have a good value ? because until now it is still not available and listed to big exchange?
hope that people will not cry  when time comes they totally failed from their expectation.

What investors are you guys talking about? How can one invest in a project that hasn't launched its token yet? They have just been fooling their users for years, making them use their app and inviting others so that they can earn PI, and now when they should compensate them for their efforts and the time they've waited, the team has come up with KYC and migration of the coins and stuff which were never really mentioned at the initial stage of the project.

The harsh reality is that they are a bunch of liars, and they have wasted the time of all their pioneers and users who participated in the mining process, now they want to collect their KYC information so that they can sell them and earn money through that which is disgusting but they haven't done less before so we can surely doubt their integrity.

It is mobile simulation mining but they are not really mining. They have been fooled to believe that they're actually mining while it's just like a simulation to make it look they're legitimate as a POS coin but it's not.
Let them do the actual mining on their phones and let's see who's phone gonna survive because majority of them are going to have that extensive heat and probably gonna blast.

  Pi has been smelly and fishy for a long time; has it been years? Until now, this pi still exists, but it is not on the market, even though the pi continues to tour different places. That's not how a decentralized coin is designed in the reality of today's business industry.


When it comes to mobile mining apps, I would prefer to use Veruscoin because it is legit that you can actually mine using a mobile device and withdraw the accumulated profit, and it is listed on other exchanges here in the crypto space anyway.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X87ytFJN3c8
- https://verus.io/
- https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/verus-coin

Its an unfortunate fact that some crypto projects, like the Pi network, take advantage of their users' trust. They tell them they will make money in the future if they mine, engage, and invite others. At this point, adding KYC and coin migration steps smells like a lie. Its completely unacceptable how they've messed up the original hopes. They have lied to their "pioneers" and then changed the rules to make them do things that arent necessary.

Yes, it does look like a complicated scam, and the fact that KYC information could be used in a bad way makes things even worse. Such projects are terrible because they poison the very idea of autonomous finance and take advantage of people who are excited about it. It may seem like these lessons were learned the hard way. People must aware of the lies, and its high time to call out these fake projects.

This seems to be a Buzz word gaining its entry into the space, every new day births its own buzz words.

Pi network over the years has managed to garner the crowd of people it took Bitcoin more than half-a-decade to achieve, I'll give it to them but to compare it to Bitcoin is entirely not worth it, when Bitcoin actually created the pathway through which Pi coin found its existence.
Up until now, we are yet to hear or see the use case of Pi coin, I have seen the updates on socials but thats not enough to compare the flagship of blockchain technology to a project leveraging on it

I haven't heard that project yet but if you are earning on that project and you are able to prove that on your own then that's so much better than the one that's being mentioned on this thread, the PI token and its mobile mining. There are others in the past that I've known but I didn't had time to indulge them because I was so focus with other projects. But it seems that this mobile mining scene have been slowly forgotten and projects that have leaned too much on it had to accept the reality and fate of it.

It is also what PI network promise in the past that's why In our local section there are lots of member that tries mining this but ending up regretting what they did as time spending but with no great return.

though I will try to check your advise , will check it in youtube if there is truly a  good value after mining and if it's safe as well.

Have you earned something good from mining this mate? how long have you've been mining?

There isn't any waste of time in mining Pi coin it is mostly mined with mobile phone without any hassle, however the future of Pi coin is the subject of discussion as well as how it is mined is absolutely different from how Bitcoin is mine raising some questions on what problem does the project solves? I tried to raise this issue with some Pi coin miners none of them was able to give detail explanation on the project all they could say was when launched on the mainnet the price of the coin would be high and all of them (miners) would become rich after selling their coins because most of them had mined alot of Pi coin are locked up, moreso according to some information P2P Pi coin on large scale isn't allowed on their network.

Same thing with me here, I totally lost interest too, when I saw that the team are not serious on the launch of the coins, with the hype that was going that period with this pi network mining it was almost as if the coins will be launch and have it listed in one of the popular CEX for trading but that wasn't the case as the team just keeps postponing the whole launch and making things frustrating and confusing for people actually mining this Pi coin.

Is this the same PI coin listed on some exchanges? I think I saw that in huboi as well. If they are not that serious how were they able to pay listing fees in an exchange like Huboi? I saw some people trying to sell this PI coin in an OTC group that I am in. The price in that group doesn't match the exchange price but it's still a good price that I saw in that OTC group. I am not sure what is happening with that project but I can see many people are not happy with it.

Hmm, that's new, I never knew that their Pi coin has been listed on the exchange Huboi as you claim, I think I will check this out later because I think I know some person with me that are actually owning some pi coins and have been looking for some way to actually exchange it on an legit exchange. And yes so many people are not happy with the pi network because they started as a very promising project till they started adding deceit to their profile claiming to list the coins and adjusting everytime it reaches .

Pi network mining really brings people attention towards the project and even most people that are mining pi network has no knowledge about cryptocurrency, just garbage in to claim token on daily basis as already program and share was much and community was large, I reserved my energy while waiting for the main lunch day, which I strongly believe that pi miner we dump the market because of large allocation claim and I buy from there.

I have seen various media discussions about pi mining. But since quite some time I have been active with pymining. Many people told me that this piemining would be very good. That is why I am regularly active here. But I don't know when they will allow mining users like us to generate and sell tokens. But I passed all KYC given by them. Hope to get something good from here which will be big income of my life.

I think OP is just shilling PI network and compare Bitcoin with it. I had a bit of a laugh as well when I heard about this comparison since based on my knowledge about crypto Altcoins will remain what it is and nothing can replace Bitcoin network I mean, PI is Pi and BTC is BTC two different networks on two different coins. PI has nothing to prove yet compared to the pioneering Bitcoin.

I have just checked that the PI listed in exchange is the IOU version of the token which uses the actual PI ticker and icon but the user can only buy and sell that token. They are not letting people deposit or withdraw so real PI token owners can not sell their tokens on the exchange. But as i have said there are some OTC groups that are offering PI trades with some escrowed fees. I think this is the only safe way to trade that token for now.

Somehow yes, but I think this is more of a conversational thread about PI. We had seen the sentiments of people around PI in this thread and majority of us agreed that PI is a fishy token. Personally with the current status on how PI is being transacted online, peer to peer with a middle man on platforms such as social media, it's so fishy that I can compare it to TBC (the billion coin) which is also being sold peer to peer with middle man before.

In regards of comparing it to bitcoin, people who said it is comparable to bitcoin must be joking. I can't even compare this to the top altcoins in the market.

You are right, it is similar to many altcoin but still their behavior is fishy. They migrated user tokens about a year ago but they have said their mainnet is not open to integration with other platforms. I saw some people even try to use this token to integrate with their local businesses. Some third-party websites called PI Mall emerged though i didn't find any option to use PI on that platform. It looks like another chinease ponzi scam that attracted millions of users to their platform.

I have given hope on pi network. I took it up to myself that I will see through the end of the project, but it seems I dont even to where am going or if truly it's worth spending time on.
If truly pi will come in to existence, I believe it's fuction is likely to be like USDT where the price remain constant according to the analysis of pi that it's price is equated @π=22/7 which is equal to 3.142 so it's value remain constant which means can not be traded in exchanges. It interface is more likely to be a non custodiall wallet only p2p meaning will not be volitile. And it total supply is in billions making it to be valueless. The relevancy of any commodity is scacity. I think scacity plays a vital roll on making things expensive.

So with all this evidence I believe bitcoin is still the best compeard to any crypto currency. Expecially the topic of discussion (PI) because bitcoin has what pi never had. Bitcoin is limited in supply i.e scacity
Volatility
Uses centralized exchange CEX
Trading
Change in price at every halving/ bullrun.
Etc pi is no where compeard to Bitcoin when I was not fully educated on bitcoin like I am now I always think that pi will save the world but to my greatest suprie here I am prasing Bitcoin because I know the value and don't need anybody to tell me the gap difference.

That's how insane they are when they don't do their own research concerning the project they want to invest in, they just want to spread what they have heard from the promoters and sometimes they are blinded by their words until what comes out from their mouths are claims that has nothing to do with the reality. If Pi is real and they have a working platform, they could have done some testing and given their investors a beta version of it to be tested but what they have done so far was false promises and their investors seem die-hard to believe everything they said.

Majority of the Pi coin hodlers I knew got it through mining I never come across any investor of the coin, because I don't think any investor would waste their hard earn money on a project without a roadmap, funny enough those who hunted the coin through mining are boosting that they are already rich if the coin is eventually launch into the mainnet that the value and it price would be huge, unfortunately those hodlers continue to mine more Pi coin truly after been on false hope announced by the promoters and developers, personally I had duly informed those who care to listen about the worthlessness of the coin.

Most of the PI holders that can't dump it will do the shilling for them to just get hold off from it. They have to do whatever they can because they are probably getting the signs that has been told to them that this project isn't going to be good than the others.

Yes, none can replace Bitcoin whether how many communities they are or how many they are in their communities. Bitcoin is like the standard and where they are all standing. Forget about that dethroning.

  What else would you expect from that useless Pi coin? All that is known is hype. It's just a pity that those who invested there are closed-minded, as if their supporters have also been hypnotized and blind to the truth.

  Think about how many years they have been saying that Pi will take over the bitcoin price value in the market, but not even an exchange here in cryptocurrency can you see where it is listed to say that it has potential. I can hardly count how many other altcoins have said that they will surpass the price value of Bitcoin, but that has never happened in the history of Bitcoin.

Pi network has for long remained a project and hasn't had a proper lunch such that it becomes valued enough to be transacted, I have not seen it traded on any of the reputable exchange and that has continually given me doubts about it.

I sometimes see PI network as a project that wouldn't stand the test of time and comparing it with Bitcoin sounds lame to me because there's a whole lot of difference which are not in anyway close to each other so such comparison isn't making sense. There are other alt coin which can be compared to pi not Bitcoin.

There are numerous projects in the market, though they cannot be compared to prominent ones that are popular.  it's just a matter of time before we choose the require legitimate projects to invest all our time and money on and reaping quite some good amounts. From the very start of this projects, I've lost interest because mere checking their road maps which seems to be complicated, though a trader who knows how to trade should just engaged in Pi Arbitrage because that's one of the excellent technique to earn quite relevant amounts from the system. Pi network mining chances of either been a scam or legit is 50/50.

Truly you have summarized everything about Pi network it's up for it miners or hodlers to accept the reality because as it stand no amount of conviction would deter pi network to do away with it, they have a firm believe on the project and continue to mine it having been brainwashed that when Pi network is successfully launched it would supercede Bitcoin and every of it hodlers would be rich based on it launching price, what they don't understand is that Bitcoin has 21 million in it Blockchain unlike Pi coin whose estimated coin is above billion this alone would render it price to be worthless even if successful launch in any exchange.

I mean this is what is being preached by every pi coins holder I know, I mean the confidence at which they are certain of the outcome and growth of which pi coin will have is just amazing to me. No matter how I try as much as possible to linger in this view of theirs, the possible taught that this whole pi coin is actually just a big set up and those actually having it, is just wasting time on the shit but thats a different case for someone holding pi coin.

Pi network is just another unfulfilled project still hanging in the air, I wander if they are still some actual persons wasting their time mining pi, some of their miner can be so obsessed with the coin and yet they are not receiving the result of the efforts they put in. Recently I meet a pi coin miner and he told me when they launch pi, its price would be equivalent to that of Bitcoin, and I was like what do you mean? The kind of confidence they have is kind of surprising. I believe this coin is a waste of time especially comparing the amount of years it has been on hold.