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Sad news shrouded the local board Bahasa Indonesian where one of our contributors was is known to have died of an illness several years ago and we only found out about the news now.

A little information about this news:

Pandukelana2712 has left the forum since January 01, 2020, 11:27:03 AM (that was the last day he was active on the account), but after that no news from him. Pandukelana2712 had an active loan with DarkStar_ of 0.064 BTC, but he failed to repay it due to his death. The reputation of his account was damaged due to the failure to repay the loan. But the surprising thing is, Pandukelana2712 managed to leave some money with a relative to pay off the loan to DarkStar_ (before he died) but he failed to find the right person before communicating with roycilik. You can skim the story in this thread where roycilik announces the death of pandukelana2712: [INFO]Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un (Pandukelana) ): (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5417559.0)

Loans may be repaid by relatives where Pandukelana2712 has deposited the money. DarkStar_ might already know it. But if this information is wrong, then I hope roycilik and other friends can correct it. Please.

Condolences continue to be sent to the trust page of pandukelana2712's account, a sign that most believe that pandukelana2712 has died.

https://i.imgur.com/hDMLwHN.png

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On this occasion I want to ask the admin and other friends.

1. Is it possible to lock the pandukelana2712 account so that it can no longer be accessed by anyone if in the future hackers manage to find out its login data?

Username: pandukelana2712 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1304130)
Reason: Died

RIP pandukelana2712.
I can not remember if I ever had a discussion with the user. But a death is always hurtful especially when you are from the same community.
My condolence to the family and friends who lost their close one.

There are in few occasions the admin locked a death person's account I guess only when it was confirmed. I think it can be done in this occasion too. Please PM theymos about it. He may not notice a general thread that has posted in the reputation board.

Innalillahi wa Inna Ilaihi Raziun. There is no escape from death. Every living thing will taste death one day. Today we are maybe tomorrow we are @Pandukelana2712 One like that will leave. But for every death, the family and close relatives suffer a lot. We have no words to express our condolences at this moment. We lost a good forum member like him. I pray for the forgiveness of his soul in the court of God and I pray for peace for him.

I remember Pandukelana2712, His username popped up a dozen times in the gambling discussion boards if I recall well, though it's now a distant memory, and then he disappeared. Little did I know that he died.

He seemed to be a cool-headed guy. May his soul rest in peace.

I think the Admin can do something about the account if you send a request to him.

I think it's possible for moderators to do that for Pandukelana2712, but you and your community members should really verify it's correct so as not to harm others.

The temporary solution is, some of neutral tags on the account you mentioned above might also help to notify that the main user of the account has died. I'll probably tag that too, and RIP for Pandukelana2712.

I doubt they're going to be reading this, especially if it's in English and they don't speak the language (that's just an assumption, could be wrong), and since he died a couple of years ago hopefully their grief has lessened somewhat.

I didn't know him, but obviously he made an impression on a lot of members here, and I hate to hear of any member dying--whether I liked them, didn't like them, or didn't even interact with them.  It's a large community we have here, but somehow a member's death seems to make it a lot smaller in my eyes.

Should negative or neutral tags be given in a case like this?  I can't remember what's been done in the past when a member has died, and it seems like a neutral might not be enough to alert someone that the account shouldn't be active--but it also seems unwarranted, even if the text in the feedback is just a death notice.

My tag is a little different than some of the other members, and I thought this tag would give a little bit of the impression that if the account were to be active again then everyone would be able to remember that it's no longer the main user. Maybe the final solution is to have the account locked by a moderator, that will solve everything.

ربنا يرحمه
I do not know about local board Bahasa Indonesian, but I think that the comments above show that he was a good person.

I wish the rest of the members to remove the negative trust and lock the account (after confirming his death). I also wish @Darkstar_ to forgive the loan because he died.

Yeah, that's certainly appropriate text but I was just wondering whether deceased members should get red or neutral trust on their profiles to alert the community in the event the account becomes active again.  After looking at pandukelana2712's trust page however, he's already got some negative trust for things other than the most recent loan he took out (the ones from game-protect), and I doubt those are ever going to be removed--so in this particular case, the point is moot. 

I kind of agree that mods should lock an account if there's enough evidence that the member died.  But wasn't pandukelana2712's relative supposed to repay the loan?  Is that between DarkStar_ and the relative, or was that relative expected to gain access to pandukelana2712's account in order to do so?  Just curious.

It hurts me Everytime I read on this topic. I was one of first to see it but, couldn't say anything just yet, not until now. Hades has evolved many into the afterlife -- a transformation that no sane person would stoop to, if self decisions were mandatory. I can't even say much as I didn't know 'em in person... He died before I was registered^{if I'm right}. My eyes are still and sweaty; rest on dear friend 🥺

Chymist,
I don't know how to believe the story -- that he gave his relatives some cash to save his ass, but if SK said so, then it must be true. His post above quotes that he communicated with Roycilik; I'm not sure what it was 'bout but, the user knows the deceased personally..... they'd get the cash and sort out the loan.

Sandra 😓

innaa lillahi wa innaa ilaihi raji’un

he was one of DT1 members in this forum, he is very active both in global and local boards, moreover, his contribution to the Indonesian local board was very much, being one of the influencing Indonesian board members, especially for new members at that time, because he often provided knowledge and also sharing and made very useful contributions.

Until then, he received red flags from several members of this forum regarding loan payments that were not made and were considered to be running away from responsibility. However, since then his account is no longer active.
And a few days ago the real truth was finally revealed.

This is a misunderstanding. He was actually responsible at the end of his life, by entrusting money to his relative/colleague to pay debts in this forum (because at that time he was seriously ill and given the mandate). However, for several logical reasons, this fact can only be conveyed several days ago, when 1000 days after his death.

Hopefully, with this, his good name will be clean again and there will be no more misunderstandings regarding the debt. And currently, the loan repayment seems to be in process.

The repayment will be handled by Pandu's friends, dewo_sat, and with the help of Roycilik. He will send the IDR amount of 0.064 BTC, and then Roycilik will send the bitcoin repayment to DarkStar_.

At least that is the current plan, he still needed a few days to collect the money.

Thank you for your advice, I will contact the admin when the loan has been repaid. For now I will monitor how this process is carried out considering his friend is trying to pay off the loan with the help of our local escrow. I hope the loan problem can be resolved as soon as possible, this will be better for the reputation of the account left.

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I'm also not sure if the neg or neutral tag matters, but at least it's useful for anyone tagging it. For a good impression, maybe neutral tags are fine instead of negative.

The loan is being finalized by his friend, but it may take some time for all the money to be collected. If dewo_sat has sent the amount of money that Pandekelana has deposited to escrow, then the settlement process will probably occur soon.

Rest in peace to the user. I dont know him but from the sounds of the other users, he is a good and great guy.

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Do we have confirmed list of users that are confirmed died here? I think its good if we have a compilation of old users whom already passed away and put it on appropriate board for information.

Can also sort it out by category like confirm death by mods, and unverified ( which can be tagged for potential hack in case it get active again) just an opinion.

If we recall the TECSHARE account, the owner of which also died, then the users in his trust left a neutral review. And if you look, the TECSHARE (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=15728) account was not blocked until today. 
The same thing can probably happen to the pandukelana2712 account. 
Surely, if the forum knows the reason for the absence of a person on the forum, his further appearance in the event of an account hacking will cause a lot of attention, thus resurrecting the account simply does not make sense.

It's a kind of restoration of humanity. The person died and his friends are taking liability of his debts. It's a beauty to know. Let's hope it's done correctly.

In a normal case would any lender tag an account if they would know the receiver died before repaying the debt?

PS: I see some users leave negative when someone dies, I feel that's not justified. When someone is gone and we are leaving a tag, others are thinking this account has bad reputation unless they take the time to read what's written on the feedback.

dewo_sat is the member who received some money from @pandukelana before he died. The money was entrusted by @pandukelana to pay a debt to someone who might be Darkstar_. So dewo_sat is responsible for paying it which will then be submitted and assisted by roycilik. This is a brief story, but about how the repayment process will be, it will be known soon if Darkstar_ has received the money.

In some cases, the loan may be written off because the loan recipient dies, but I don't know if this has been done in the past especially in this forum.

Rest In Peace Pandukelana2712, don't know you much and this news was shocking, though it eventually made it clear why he suddenly disappeared.
May the deeds of worship and all the good that has been done throughout his life be accepted by Allah S.W.T.
Hopefully his relative will finish all of the deceased's debt as soon as possible

We really wish him and his family the very best but @pandekelana has been dead for quite a while and has probably been over 1000 days. If dewo_sat never told us about it a few days ago, then until now @pandukelana's reputation is still a user who defaults on his loans to other forum members.

I would support moderators to lock the @pandukelana account or some neutral tag for a sign that the owner is dead, and not for a red tag.

I see many neutral tags are already given to Pandukelana. Hopefully mods/admin will consider locking the account with some custom title to remind his memory on the forum.

I am always saddened and troubled when someone dies especially someone who is in their youthful age. Whether I know the person or not I feel sad.

I will say that the deceased was a very nice person , by looking for a way to leave money with his relatives for a loan repayment.
I also believe he/she has been misunderstood as a bad person, maybe a scammer who ran away with a loan given him but no one knew that he is no mor.  This could also be the case of some people in the forym that we have stopped see you for some time.

May the souls of all the departed bitcointalk forum members rest in peace.
I was moved to check his profile especially his last messages to see if he had the feeling that he would die but I discovered that most of his last messages were written in a language that I do not understand.


The account is harmless and cannot be used by any future hacker because it has already been neutral tagged as dead member. Moderators don't need bother.

I assume it should be neutral tags. Negative tags give a bad impression, seems like someone did bad things.

Sure, he is a good person. He was one of the most active members of our local board and he gave many contributions.
Just take a look at his threads if you want to know more about his contribution: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=1304130;sa=showPosts

I guess only Theymos and Cyrus can do it. But I am not sure whether it is necessary or not.
In my opinion, the most important thing is to give "A custom title: In memoriam" to his account profile. It was the same as on TECSHARE account.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15728

This is a painful exist to the family. Untimely dead is not something I want to hear.  Though I am not from there but I believe Pandukelana2712 was a promising young man in the family but dead is inevitable.

The story touched my heart. This is my first time of hearing forum user's death. My sympathy and condolences to the OP and the family. Please take heart (be strong).

pandukelana2712 has a great service for the Indonesian local board, his brilliant works and ideas are a source of inspiration for local Indonesian users. The news of his death came as a shock to all users on the Indonesian local board because his name was already well known in the forum especially the local board. One of the threads created by pandukelana2712 [Diskusi]Pengiriman bitcoin untuk transaksi kecil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201776.msg53084671#msg53084671) provide many benefits for local users.

Other members are waiting for a decision from @Darkstar_ (lender) to remove the red trust as the source of the problem is with the lenders. The good news is that before Pandukelana2712 died, he advised one of his friends to solve the problem with @Darkstar_, we are waiting for clarification from his friend because he is trying to pay off debts to lenders.

Some of the above users ^{[perhaps members of your local community]} have also said the same thing. But can you tell us where the problem is now? Have his friend pay off the loan to Darkstar_?

I don't think the feedback is removed if the loan has not been repaid especially since @pandukelana had passed it on to someone before his death. It's safe to assume that the negative tag will be changed or removed if the friend has paid off the loan to the lender.

There is good news about the loan situation, I got information on the local board that the loan will be repaid by his relatives to roylicik this week. Here's an excerpt, but maybe you need to use GT to read the information properly.

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mate, it will be finished as soon as the loan is paid off. I hope @pandukelana's relatives (trustee) can pay it off this week.

The loan is currently not repaid by dewo_sat as a friend of @pandukelana, but it is true that the repayment is planned to be made this week if there are no obstacles. Yes, hopefully everything that is planned can be completed so that the good name and reputation of the loan recipient (pandukelana) can return to good.

Although roycilik doesn't seem to have said anything in this thread, but I think he knows what to do when dewo_sat pays the loan.

how will this payment be made? whether the return in BTC is the same as the loan (0.064 BTC). or back at the USDT rate at the time of borrowing?
BTC price in 2019 when borrowers apply for loans. certainly different from the current BTC price. I'm sure there will be negotiations to be carried out regarding this payment. unless the deceased has already given it to his friend in the form of BTC to be paid.

I hope the problem is resolved quickly. long enough to unravel all of this.

Negotiations may have taken place, but I don't know for sure how it was done. It could be that the payment is adjusted to the USDT rate at the time the loan is granted, or it may also be adjusted to the current exchange rate. Only the lender can decide on how it's done, and I don't think we can say anything precise about that.

You can also monitor developments about this loan in the local thread. There is some information too.

My friend @indah rezqi from our local community has represented me answering this question right below your post.

Of course, the negative tag will always be there as long as the loan has not been repaid by the relatives.
The positive value we can take from Pandukelana2712 is because of his honesty, before he died, he had left a message to his relatives to pay off his debt to Darkstar_.

Hopefully, we will continue to monitor the progress of this issue. Hopefully @roycilik will immediately provide the latest information after the money is transferred by his relatives.

If the OP information is correct then i appreciate what he did. It was noble of him that he told one of his relative to repay the loan. Negative tag should not be removed because this will make sure other will not be able to use that accounts on his behalf in the future.

Just to inform that today the loan of @pandukelana seems to have been handed over to roycilik by dewo_sat of Rp. 20,500,000 or the equivalent of 0.064 btc lent. Soon, maybe Roycilik will pay it off to Darkstar_ as a lender. This is something that seems hard to believe because if dewo_sat is not an honest person, then this loan will never be repaid. $1300 is a high value in my country, but it pays off by the users who accept the trust.

On this occasion I would also like to thank dewo_sat who has successfully paid off @pandukelana's loan (your friend/relative), you are one of the most trusted users in my opinion.

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Coming back to the main purpose of this thread, maybe I will expect the admin to lock @pandekelana's account if the loan is paid off. So that it can prevent anyone from login into his account for any purpose in the future. Thanks also to all of you who have provided suggestions and some good arguments.

I just noticed this thread. I have no recollection of ever interacting with pandukelana2712 but thank you OP for bringing this to the attention of the forum members.

If the news is as accurate as being reported, I have to offer my condolences to his family, friends and loved ones as well as to the forum members who knew him. Any news related to any death of a community member is a sad event, I wish the best for his family.

I've sent BTC (0.064BTC) to Darkstar
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1q59ygm8y9pzguvclskf5zt3gma7rckauaqef7qx

https://i.ibb.co/SNXy6xy/Screenshot-20221105-025625.png

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To be honest, Darkstar has asked me to give the money to the Pandukelana family, but it is an obligation in our place that the debt must be settled first, also dewo_sat said the same thing. And now it's up to Darkstar what to do with the money.

Thanks to Darkstar (:

It must have been good and now it's paid off.

By the way, there are some negative tag on pandukelana2712's account due to loan defaults "at least still with 3 different users including Darkstar_,crwth, and DroomieChikito". Since you've helped pay off the loan, I hope some of these users will revise their tag because pandukelana2712 has no longer alive.

And roycilik, thank you for being a good and trusted escrow in our local forum. pandukelana2712 is a contributor to the local board, he deserves a good reputation even though so far he really didn't mean to default on the loan. I hope he is happy with our kind prayers.

The great thanks for @roycilik and Mr. @DarkStar_ for help me out about the debt responsibility of pandukelana.

I sincerely apologize, because I did not complete the task immediately.
It happened because I do not have the ability like pandukelana2712 to enter this forum and communicate with you.

A few years have passed, and a few weeks ago in the group there was a talk about his 1000 day ceremony, I just remembered that he owes someone here, while the money a few years ago was with me.
Then I've tried several times to create a new account (he ever created an account for me, but I can't remember that account anymore), unfortunately I can't post anything or send messages.

When I was able to get into the forum, I tried to find someone that pandukelana talked about a lot in the past (roy, husna and joni), and then it happened like what you saw in these few days.

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Many thanks to the others for support me here.

I really didn't expect @darkstar to do such a noble thing, many lessons I can take from @darkstar, he prioritizes honesty, and virtue over money.

https://i.imgur.com/AvnUpAx.png

Congratulations pandukelana2712 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1304130), you managed to become a legendary.

I was surprised that he left this world already, RIP. I know that I had some conversations with him in the forum and saw some of his posts as well. I didn't know at that time when I left negative feedback back then but I removed it now knowing the current situation. Anyway, I know that he is in a better place now.

People like him will always be in a better place because he strives to pay the loan he owes DarkStar before he died. To be honest, only someone who's pure of heart and also has a big heart can do this because he cares about the feeling of others.
It is nice to also see that the people he entrusted the fund with also make the right decision by maintaining his reputation.

In the view of religion, a person who gets mandate is obliged to pay it off so that he is completely detached from all the things that are mandated. I see this kind of honest attitude supported by religious side of the user that he actually paid that amount of money even if no one on this forum ever knew that pandukelana2712 had given him the money. I believe dewo_sat because of his honesty, he deserves good reputation.

Now I wish dewo_sat all the best, he could probably learn a lot in this forum and stay longer. Thank you dewo_sat, roycilik and skarais for this thread. I've seen the reputation of pandukelana2712 has returned to the best.

The adhoc link you provided in OP to tell the story of our deceased friend is in your local board and all written in the local Indonesian language. I can't follow up on the story and I suppose the use of Google translator won't d me much good but, frmbthe few I have read in the OP, Pandukelana2712 is such a honourable person to be concerned with his reputation even after his gone. For most, its an escape without excuse for which, all is expected to understand but, having one who don't want anyone to understand but instead, sort out means to repay what is owed even in death is something uncommon.

Our name is the only thing that remains and it is encouraging to have one value so much wha respect his or her name compels.

Yes from the perspective of religion it is not good to owe anyone debt and never pay it but there are some people who are into some religions where this is practiced but they choose to ignore the practice of their religion because of the money that's involved. Do you know how many people read stealing not be good but still choose to steal? I can tell that user pandukelana2712 is an honest person and so is the person (sup)[dewo_sat](/sup) he entrusted the BTC with.

I didn't manage to find the answer though I think each of us knows the answer without knowing the percentage of occurrence.  ;D

Pandukelana2712 is a trusted user with a good reputation. He is a Policeman who serves his community and country, so I think his good reputation is worth his contribution to the forum. All of our local users know about it, but may never know his real jobs is out there if someone doesn't tell them.

Since pandukelana2712's loan has been paid off by dewo_sat and roycilik, then I think I should lock this thread now.

About my request to lock pandukelana2712 account, then it seems I will make one personal request to the admin as my way to appreciate the contribution and dedication of that user during his life. Thank you to everyone who is honest and kind.

I represent all local Indonesian board users, thank you for all your condolences and wishes and prayers for pandukelana2712. He will rest in peace, amen.