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Title: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Davidvictorson on November 03, 2022, 07:17:56 PM
Reading this article (https://www.worklife.news/talent/is-long-term-employee-retention-a-losing-battle/), I couldn't help but wonder about a lot of things that have gone wrong and is going wrong in companies. Some of these companies are know that employees leaving are a problem and are making efforts to fix it while other who know, ,amy have chosen to ignore it.
Below are some important points highlighted in the article.

According to the report, more than 6.5 million people (20% of the U.K. workforce) are expected to quit their job in the next 12 months, according to estimates from the Charted Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), which published the data in June after surveying more than 6,000 workers. That’s up from 2021, when 16% of the U.K. workforce said they plan to quit within a year, according to the CIPD. Meanwhile, in March Microsoft’s global Work Trend Index found that 52% of Gen Zers and Millennials — the two generations that represent the vast majority of the workforce — were likely to consider changing jobs within the following year.

Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: jackg on November 03, 2022, 09:38:33 PM
I think they're losing the battle because they don't understand what they're actually doing. I've seen a lot of arrogant employers on social media that say it might not be worth hiring people who change jobs a lot (the example given being 8 in 5 years, which might be excessive or not depending on the industry - someone working for startups might expect to go through 10-80 in that same time, someone working for a fairly good employer and receiving constant and consistent pay rises and promotions will probably only change jobs once in that time: if at all). If you don't expect to pay your employees well and are in a market sector in high demand (more jobs than qualified people), expect them to leave.

I've known companies lose good employees because they won't offer decent pay rises, some office and hybrid jobs don't offer higher pay either to cover the travel expenses - so why wouldn't you work from home if you could? (a 40 minute journey is over £150 in fuel a month - assuming 40 mpg).

A lot of companies retain employees by adding personal touches and ensuring people are well compensated and know they're needed in companies. I know people who have worked for a company for 10-40 years though and I couldn't imagine doing that, it might also look bad too if you're not switching employers (you only know how to do one job then).


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Queentoshi on November 03, 2022, 10:06:57 PM
What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
Some companies do well in terms of taking care of their employees but some other companies really need to just improve, create a good working environment for the employees and provide incentives to keep them encouraged. The general mindset some people have while working for a company where they don't treat their employees well is to just gather enough money to go set up a business for themselves. Even with the current economy some people have calculated that setting up a business will be more beneficial seeing that these companies they've been working for a long time have refused reviewing their salary even with the rising cost of living, that is bad.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Gyfts on November 03, 2022, 11:00:48 PM
By caring, they're going to have to start paying employees more. I haven't dug down into the reasoning of employees leaving, but I can only assume it's compensation related. Wages aren't keeping up with inflation in most countries so it would make sense why people would leave their job for more lucrative opportunities. Companies will either churn through employees or be forced to pay a wage that's competitive.

I've known companies lose good employees because they won't offer decent pay rises, some office and hybrid jobs don't offer higher pay either to cover the travel expenses - so why wouldn't you work from home if you could? (a 40 minute journey is over £150 in fuel a month - assuming 40 mpg).

That's a good point. Inflation being one metric, the fuel costs associated with commute (along with rising fuel costs) probably play a huge role too. Many companies are asking workers to return back to the office, I didn't consider that.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Hydrogen on November 03, 2022, 11:41:22 PM
I think the stage is being set for people to become more motivated to learn about economics, business and finance.

Failing to comprehend basic fundamentals of business makes workers powerless in this world. To earn their fair share and maintain a stable working environment, workers must understand what is happening in order to make the right choices and support the right things. Unfortunately, in many cases workers do not recognize the trends and precedents in play. Which leads to them supporting the wrong people and things.

As recession sets in and standards of living decline. It could provide people with incentive to acquire knowledge. Prior to 2020 there was no need for people to care about business or finance. There was no motivation to learn.

Now that people are being directly affected by it, their attitude and mentality could shift. They could suddenly start to care about and appreciate many of the things they took for granted.

I think we're already observing this to a degree. People used to be completely apathetic and lackidaisical on the topic of politics. Suddenly everyone cares about politics, as it is directly impacting their lives. The same precedent could apply to business and finance.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Techkoy407 on November 04, 2022, 12:27:24 AM
many companies that from the past until now still have not changed the rules and employees who are not paid attention to.

The trend of mass labor resignations occurred in several countries. In fact, a survey released by a professional company, Robert Walters, noted that 77% of professional workers in Indonesia are considering self-employment or resigning.

those who haven't quit, haven't found a new place to work.

so you can be sure the company will continue to decline if the quality and treatment of employees has not been changed.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 04, 2022, 02:21:48 AM
Two things come to mind immediately.  One is that I don't put much stock in polls like the one in this article.  Those poll participants may say they're considering changing jobs or considering doing anything, but that doesn't mean they're going to.

The second thing is that the millenials (and maybe the Gen Z'ers, I'm not exactly sure where the cutoff is) are bringing a lot of bullshit into the world in the name of changing everything for the sake of just changing everything.  Ten years ago there were only two genders, and that was an indisputable fact.  Even if you're a transsexual, you're still only going to identify as male or female.  But I guess I missed the article in Nature that a bunch of new human genders have been discovered recently.  It's fucking disgusting

But that's a rant about what I'm most annoyed about.  As far as the question of whether employment, long-term or not, is fading fast is an absurd one.  What happens if all these young people stop working?  Somebody is going to have to trade their labor for money to support them.  My guess is that they're going to have to grow up very fast once they figure out that this attitude toward the job market is untenable.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: so98nn on November 04, 2022, 05:12:46 AM
. . . And does the employee know what are they actually doing? Most of the time they switch because they want to have higher salaries in very less time and also above their skill sets. Many of them try to do “moonlight” jobs and thus end up disturbed work environment into both companies for which they are working.

This reduces the work quality and many times employer end up paying higher money than is needed. We can not blame it to the employer all the time just because they are sitting up there and we think they won’t suffer from recession or losses.

They do actually, if work quality goes down with the time it could happen that they will loose their contracts too and it’s the vital source from where our salaries and benefits come to us.

That’s cyclic economy, it comes around and goes around.

I am not saying it’s totally employers or employees fault, what I am saying is it’s a balanced workout. If it is maintained then there is no need to lay off the employee.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Zaguru12 on November 04, 2022, 05:51:40 AM
The main reason why employees leave companies can be on lack of incentives or rather lack of growth. Some of these companies are too rigid to the extent that its workers have less time to spend with family or even time for themselves. Some work six days in a week at at least 10hours daily. Another thing that prompts some workers to seek greener pasture else might be because they are not comfortable with shifts allocated to them, lack of growth within the company like raising in ranks easily like government owned work places. It could also be due to fear, some companies scare there workers with sack and they feel threatened so when better jobs opportunities come they turn to jump on it. Some of this companies also don't have retirement plans like pensions and workers tend to look for pensionable jobs since its hard to save for some during their active working days. Irregular transfers of employees by employers can effect the switching of jobs or people seeking to be independent.

Concerning millenials they tend to give up on eventually everything, they can't withstand even minimal pressures older generations face. There career impatience or overall impatience leads them to been layoff from works or even leave them selves. Although it's a great thing some things are changing in this century like speaking up when there is pressure but dedication, respect towards work shouldn't change


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: doomloop on November 04, 2022, 08:38:21 AM
What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
Some companies do well in terms of taking care of their employees but some other companies really need to just improve, create a good working environment for the employees and provide incentives to keep them encouraged. The general mindset some people have while working for a company where they don't treat their employees well is to just gather enough money to go set up a business for themselves. Even with the current economy some people have calculated that setting up a business will be more beneficial seeing that these companies they've been working for a long time have refused reviewing their salary even with the rising cost of living, that is bad.
Some companies are just small to not afford those things you said while there are companies who are already huge but their management is not that good enough. I don't think they will ever change and they don't really care if their employees leave because they know that they can still get an immediate replacement.

You know our world now, jobs are very limited and then many people are looking for work only to survive so they are not that choosy. Saving up money is hard if you're stuck in a low paying job and setting up your own business is also not easy. There is no guarantee that they will succeed so they better think twice about quitting their jobs.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Smartprofit on November 04, 2022, 08:12:54 PM
By caring, they're going to have to start paying employees more. I haven't dug down into the reasoning of employees leaving, but I can only assume it's compensation related. Wages aren't keeping up with inflation in most countries so it would make sense why people would leave their job for more lucrative opportunities. Companies will either churn through employees or be forced to pay a wage that's competitive.

I've known companies lose good employees because they won't offer decent pay rises, some office and hybrid jobs don't offer higher pay either to cover the travel expenses - so why wouldn't you work from home if you could? (a 40 minute journey is over £150 in fuel a month - assuming 40 mpg).

That's a good point. Inflation being one metric, the fuel costs associated with commute (along with rising fuel costs) probably play a huge role too. Many companies are asking workers to return back to the office, I didn't consider that.

High wages are not the only motivation for employees. 

The most important thing in work is a high income and structured free time.  For example, a company may offer its employees to work remotely (without having to come to the office).  This will save at least 3 hours on the road from home to office (and back - from office to home). 

And this condition can be very attractive and important for the employee.  Also, the employer can offer employees training and career growth. 

An important point is the psychological atmosphere in the company - it allows you to minimize stress, and therefore maintain health.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: avikz on November 04, 2022, 08:47:46 PM
Long term? What does that mean?

Long term is a subjective matter! In the government job where you will get pension, long term really means your entire career. But in a private company where there is not port retirement benefits, even 5 years can be considered long term. For a private sector employee, it is advisable to keep on switching jobs every 4-5 years until they turn 45. otherwise the company will take you for granted and you will never be able to experience significant financial growth.

Let's be very honest! We all work for money! Awards and accolades might motivate you for some time, but at the end of the day, it's all about money. So if someone is getting a better pay, it makes sense to release that employee unless he/she is holding a key position. Everyone else is very easily replaceable! If a company doesn't want to loose talents, they should beat the inflation effectively and provide a pay revision whenever required. otherwise, it will always remain as a loosing battle only!


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Yamifoud on November 04, 2022, 09:43:51 PM
Some people are preferred to stay long from their job depending on the nature of their work and of course, the behavior of their co-workers and company benefits, especially for government employees. But what they have missed is the chance to start their own business due to their mind is already focused on doing their job neglecting more opportunities when making their own business. Might they are thinking about the risk because having a job we found it secured and have a monthly income? However, if we are more educated about finance, we can see that this is not the best shot if we wanted to improve our living as rich people are in business, not an employee.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: South Park on November 04, 2022, 10:23:05 PM
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Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
There was a time in which you expected to work for the same company for 30 or 40 years, have a big retirement party and go into the sunset with a good retirement fund, but those days are over and companies are not above firing employees which have been part of the company for a long time, so workers have learned that the companies do not have their back and as such they are always looking for a better job, and even if companies began changing their attitude towards their employees it will take a generation before this behavior changes, and this is assuming companies care enough about this to do something about it, which I doubt.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Zlantann on November 04, 2022, 10:38:32 PM
many companies that from the past until now still have not changed the rules and employees who are not paid attention to.

The trend of mass labor resignations occurred in several countries. In fact, a survey released by a professional company, Robert Walters, noted that 77% of professional workers in Indonesia are considering self-employment or resigning.

those who haven't quit, haven't found a new place to work.

so you can be sure the company will continue to decline if the quality and treatment of employees has not been changed.

High pay is one of the motivators of of workers but some employees need more than just money to stay in a firm.
Most firms still treat workers like machines without considering their career and emotional needs. Some companies pay less attention to training and development of their staff because they feel that they might leave the company after the firm have invested much on them. But they fail to understand that workers tend to hate monotonous jobs that lacks the opportunity for workers to face new challenges and become creative.

Some workers are also fed up with employers who care less about their informal life. When an employer mandates a worker that has a sick child to still come to work, it shows that their focus is only to get the best out of the staff and nothing more. Most people now are considering self employment  or online jobs that would give them the opportunity to combine both work and family responsibilities. And the lock-down experience caused by Covid-19 have made this workers believe that working from home is very possible.    


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: KennyR on November 04, 2022, 10:59:54 PM
Majority of the people stay on the same company for a long with plans of switching to another company. Whenever the employee gets with plans of leaving the company, he'll be given with hike in the salary. This won't be happening with every employee, because the company will have certain employees need and those were given consideration.

As most of the users mentioned, many corporate companies don't respect it's employees. They're with an attitude, that we'll give as per our wish. People stick to it thinking the financial problems that arise when we stand jobless.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Gozie51 on November 05, 2022, 03:30:36 AM
They say there is nothing new under the sun. I will hardly believe that there is a set of workers that will go under the poll and not give the response that they are quitting but quitting to go and do what? This is the 1 billion dollar question. Of course they will say that put they ain't going to quit to go lazy at home washing their wives undies or babysitting , no they are not neither planning to do that. They only want to change job and for the reason of higher salary, this is normal. People are leaving old jobs to find new one and we need to expect more of this in the coming year with a very high rate if the current inflation rate continues unabated.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on November 05, 2022, 04:48:01 AM
I know everyone who goes to work wants to be treated fairly and wants a good salary. But it's not easy to run a company that pleases everyone, some people will be happy and some people will be unhappy. All you mentioned is just random survey and it hasn't happened yet, in my opinion switching jobs is not an easy thing for many people. If what you say will happen then I wonder what those people will do after leaving and which company will be willing to pay them higher salary while the company doesn't know their qualifications yet. I also have many friends who want to quit because the work is too stressful, the salary is poor… but the story goes on year after year and they are still the same, they are still working hard and no one quit.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: el kaka22 on November 05, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
It is not something they can easily fix, because while one tries to fix it, the other does the same as well and it doesn't get fixed. Like let’s say you start to pay more, then the other company will pay more too, and that employee will end up leaving anyway. You could give benefits, good hours, less stress, but if you do that then the other companies too.

Plus, if you keep on trying to make your workers happy constantly, then it would also create a price situation and products will cost more, and you will not be preferred, which would cause a trouble in competition. So, this is not a problem that can be fixed, just look to get more new workers, focus on getting better at finding new workers, instead of keeping old ones, because you can't.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: hyudien on November 05, 2022, 09:35:44 AM
Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
In cases like this, in almost all countries, regarding employees who now have an uncertain fate, the role of the company must also be more empathetic for the future sustainability of employees and the company. If the output of the employee at the end of his tenure has a negative assessment of the company, this automatically becomes a concern that what the company produces is worth a minus. The company's concern for employees is very important because then workers will feel cared for and work motivation will increase. However, the company also has a profit achievement target that must be high and the company stands on absolute written rules (structured and his laws). There needs to be a correlation between employees and the same company dedicated to the same goal.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: AicecreaME on November 05, 2022, 10:16:04 AM
Most of the wealthy people are greedy, who wants more money by giving a lot of work loads on their employees with their lower than minimum wage. I think the first one should act is the Government, for the company owners to change this very awful behavior since the beginning. Government should increase the minimum wage because we're in the era where everything is expensive.

Being an employee is unavoidable especially if you're trying to put food in the table for your family, or even for yourself, and greedy companies take this as an advantage making their employees taken for granted while gaining only stress, depression, and other emotional sickness.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: palle11 on November 05, 2022, 12:14:58 PM
Most of the wealthy people are greedy, who wants more money by giving a lot of work loads on their employees with their lower than minimum wage. I think the first one should act is the Government, for the company owners to change this very awful behavior since the beginning. Government should increase the minimum wage because we're in the era where everything is expensive.



Increase of minimum wage is not the solution. If you keep increasing minimum wage it only will lead into more inflation. The government need to have a strategic plan to build more industries so that there will be choice of work to choose from and people who are skilled and qualified will be properly enumerated and won't have need to keep jumping from one job to the other and get under paid.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Marvell1 on November 05, 2022, 12:34:14 PM
Being an employee is unavoidable especially if you're trying to put food in the table for your family, or even for yourself, and greedy companies take this as an advantage making their employees taken for granted while gaining only stress, depression, and other emotional sickness.

As an employee, you will always be under a lot of pressure even being seen as exploitative but it is inevitable and should not be blamed entirely on the government or the company. Instead, use it as a motivation to help yourself find a way to overcome yourself, the more difficult it is, the more you have to fight if you want to have a better life. Successful people or our bosses, to get to where they are today, they have had to go through hundreds of such hardships. If it's society, don't expect justice, if you want to get rid of it, try harder.

Most of the wealthy people are greedy, who wants more money by giving a lot of work loads on their employees with their lower than minimum wage. I think the first one should act is the Government, for the company owners to change this very awful behavior since the beginning. Government should increase the minimum wage because we're in the era where everything is expensive.



Increase of minimum wage is not the solution. If you keep increasing minimum wage it only will lead into more inflation. The government need to have a strategic plan to build more industries so that there will be choice of work to choose from and people who are skilled and qualified will be properly enumerated and won't have need to keep jumping from one job to the other and get under paid.

Exactly, commodity prices increase and if the government raises wages to balance people's living standards, it will cause faster inflation. That's why many blame the government for not taking any decision to force companies to raise wages for workers.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Jemzx00 on November 05, 2022, 01:15:55 PM
Most of the wealthy people are greedy, who wants more money by giving a lot of work loads on their employees with their lower than minimum wage. I think the first one should act is the Government, for the company owners to change this very awful behavior since the beginning. Government should increase the minimum wage because we're in the era where everything is expensive.



Increase of minimum wage is not the solution. If you keep increasing minimum wage it only will lead into more inflation. The government need to have a strategic plan to build more industries so that there will be choice of work to choose from and people who are skilled and qualified will be properly enumerated and won't have need to keep jumping from one job to the other and get under paid.

Exactly, commodity prices increase and if the government raises wages to balance people's living standards, it will cause faster inflation. That's why many blame the government for not taking any decision to force companies to raise wages for workers.
I guess this varies from country to country as some countries had already experienced a ton of inflation for the past years, yet the minimum wage has not been changed ever since to cope up with all the price increases that happened. It is not always the government's fault however there are some where they are such as on my country. If in any case, they won't be able to change or increase the wages of workers, then they should focus on controlling and minimizing the effect of inflation on the country.

Increasing the minimum wage may not always be the best choice but at least make it proportional to the workload given to each and every worker. Some companies set minimum wage on their job, but it isn't proportional to the workload assigned to it.  


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Frankolala on November 05, 2022, 01:16:40 PM
I don't think they are losing the employees but the employees can not be satisfied. They end up disappointing their employers when they see a better offer since human wants can not be satisfied. Instead of companies having in mind to do everything to keep an employee by giving him bonuses and planning big for him when he will be retiring, it is better you don't do it because it is old fashion. If that employee since a better offer from another company he will leave for that new company. It shows that no need of planning to keep them to yourself till retirement because it might not work.
Employees will leave because the country economy is going down leading to inflation and their salary will not be increased .

I like the concept of teaching the employees a skill or something adding more value to their lives,this might inspire the employee to work with happily and efficiently even though he or she is leaving the company will still remain in the heart of the employee. Mobile jobs are everywhere and most people prefer to control their jobs by themselves. So many persons has learned from the past


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: cheezcarls on November 05, 2022, 01:53:28 PM
Years ago, I worked as a full-time virtual customer relations manager in a foreign-owned VA company. I left because not only that I am very stressed of the work, but the boss himself isn’t taking care of his employees very well. He is not open to our suggestions, ideas, etc., that would have changed the game for the company, but he is so close-minded.

Plus, there are times that I needed to work 16 hours because of the absence of my co-manager like he doesn’t if I’m sick. He just only cares about our performance, revenues, number of orders, reaching quota, etc. I only lasted 5 months with them.

Afterward, I noticed that some of my co-employees also left the company until the project itself failed and closed. Relationship really matters between the employer and employees. It’s the most important thing to hold on rather than just money-related. It’s all about the boss being open-minded and being a down to earth and approachable person to give employees the opportunity to grow and not just being treated like “bots”.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on November 05, 2022, 02:55:41 PM
Reading this article (https://www.worklife.news/talent/is-long-term-employee-retention-a-losing-battle/), I couldn't help but wonder about a lot of things that have gone wrong and is going wrong in companies. Some of these companies are know that employees leaving are a problem and are making efforts to fix it while other who know, ,amy have chosen to ignore it.
Below are some important points highlighted in the article.

According to the report, more than 6.5 million people (20% of the U.K. workforce) are expected to quit their job in the next 12 months, according to estimates from the Charted Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), which published the data in June after surveying more than 6,000 workers. That’s up from 2021, when 16% of the U.K. workforce said they plan to quit within a year, according to the CIPD. Meanwhile, in March Microsoft’s global Work Trend Index found that 52% of Gen Zers and Millennials — the two generations that represent the vast majority of the workforce — were likely to consider changing jobs within the following year.

Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
Many times it is as if working for a company does more harm than good. That is, the way most companies nowadays operate, humanity is behind while profit is the leader. The data presented actually depicts how the workforce feels and how they have been responding. Most leadership positions these look for the most heartless not caring, because the heartless or emotionless individuals give no hoots ass as to whether one is sound or not
 All they are about is job completion and performance both without and with pressure and how soon or how much load does such persons endure.
The environment is more competitive and those who are soft are bullied into becoming hard and careless as well.  Emotional intelligence I say is way better than skills and performance because one who understands a fellow humans condition and empathises with them has definitely won them over and such employee can  become the best. But reality often sees the one with more emotional intelligence as a potential instigator of choas, that is why they often times promote the hard man/woman over the emotional intelligent person because of how they can manipulate using fear. No wonder more gen *z opt to leave a job for another because they feel intimidated or compulsed. The worst of all is having other employees or management prying into individual lives and  use of their personal time, also that of boredom or being a zombie in a job without meaning. Hence, why staying too long in a particular company is bad and why most persons quit or change jobs easily these days.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: YOSHIE on November 05, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
I think in this case the company should do some tips and main retention goals for employees in improving their performance, so that they don't get bored and quit, apart from the mission, vision and some planning, I think the company needs other things to increase their employee retention for the long term.

As an example:
• compensation, rewards, financial support or additional bonuses, skills, comfort for employees to improve and create a positive and healthy work environment, in my opinion, very important, for the company to do for employees to stay comfortable, in cases like this I judge the company has failed / lost in maintaining and developing retention for employees, because it does not attach importance to the main points for employees.

What is certain is that management and economic factors financially must also be improved. That is a factor that must be implemented properly, automatically employees will improve their skills, so that I believe employees have no reason to quit and look for new jobs.

Conclusion: In this case to increase retention for employees so that the battle does remain win not lose, employees can be retained in the long term, method, Of course the owner of the company in general what needs to be considered is developing an efficient strategy, perhaps both in making decisions for employees and also including financial strategies to create long-term tenure.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Marvell1 on November 06, 2022, 03:39:39 AM
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I guess this varies from country to country as some countries had already experienced a ton of inflation for the past years, yet the minimum wage has not been changed ever since to cope up with all the price increases that happened. It is not always the government's fault however there are some where they are such as on my country. If in any case, they won't be able to change or increase the wages of workers, then they should focus on controlling and minimizing the effect of inflation on the country.

Increasing the minimum wage may not always be the best choice but at least make it proportional to the workload given to each and every worker. Some companies set minimum wage on their job, but it isn't proportional to the workload assigned to it.  


It is not proportional in your eyes but it is proportional to the business owner. You have to understand that in order to keep your business afloat, a business needs to consider a thousand different factors, not just worrying about employee pay.

If an employee is in trouble, the company can help them, but when the company is in trouble, on the verge of bankruptcy, will any employee accept that he will work to support the company, such as For example, he will work for 1 to 2 months without pay to help the company overcome difficulties. I bet you they will run away immediately when they hear the company is in trouble so the company must always make the right calculation to keep their business afloat.

It is really difficult to come up with a complete solution for your business and your employees, if the company does not meet your needs and you are confident that you deserve more than you are getting. You should find a better company instead of blaming them.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: jrrsparkles on November 06, 2022, 07:51:42 AM
Reading this article (https://www.worklife.news/talent/is-long-term-employee-retention-a-losing-battle/), I couldn't help but wonder about a lot of things that have gone wrong and is going wrong in companies. Some of these companies are know that employees leaving are a problem and are making efforts to fix it while other who know, ,amy have chosen to ignore it.
Below are some important points highlighted in the article.

According to the report, more than 6.5 million people (20% of the U.K. workforce) are expected to quit their job in the next 12 months, according to estimates from the Charted Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), which published the data in June after surveying more than 6,000 workers. That’s up from 2021, when 16% of the U.K. workforce said they plan to quit within a year, according to the CIPD. Meanwhile, in March Microsoft’s global Work Trend Index found that 52% of Gen Zers and Millennials — the two generations that represent the vast majority of the workforce — were likely to consider changing jobs within the following year.

Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?

Seriously? No they are just joking and everyone knows how hard it is getting to find a job so even they are not satisfied with their job they are not going to quit unless they find a better paying job that is the reality.

Let's assume if they are really going to quit the job then companies have options to hire freshers with less pay and can impose more workload and the evolution is going towards automation so in future workforce needed will be less so employees are in more danger than the companies in this equation.

Most of the companies are treating their employees good, but they can't pay someone for nothing.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Renampun on November 06, 2022, 08:38:46 AM
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What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?

I don't know whether the data is accurate or not, if the employee stops working, how do they meet their daily needs, does the state pay for their living expenses or the state pays them a salary?
but in this case, different regions have different problems too, in my country because there are many job applicants, the majority of companies give tough qualifications to the applicant.

but if the company does not give their employees comfort then the company will find it difficult to retain their employees for the long term. Many experienced employees will definitely try to find job vacancies in other companies.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: dothebeats on November 06, 2022, 09:09:31 AM
Employee retention is an uphill battle especially if employers are not willing to up their game in the job market. Common reasons why an employee leaves the company is because of being underpaid, or thinks that they are underpaid because they find out that X company gives their employees a few percent more than what they are receiving on current company, while also getting the most benefits and the most leeway for the employee. Another reason is the limited 'growth' an employee sees on their current employer. Most employees dream of being promoted and being paid more, but that usually isn't the case hence they will look for other employers that will give them this opportunity and snatch it at a moment's notice.

On the employer's side of things, it will be hard since you can't simply just up your employees' wages if your revenue remains the same. There's a lot of variables involved in the employers' side that employees would simply not care at all, because all they want is get paid for the work they exerted (and that's okay). It's a tough world out there, and I know how hard it is for both parties given this time of economic turmoil all around the world.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Cryptmuster on November 06, 2022, 09:29:22 AM
The main reason why employees leave companies can be on lack of incentives or rather lack of growth. Some of these companies are too rigid to the extent that its workers have less time to spend with family or even time for themselves. Some work six days in a week at at least 10hours daily. Another thing that prompts some workers to seek greener pasture else might be because they are not comfortable with shifts allocated to them, lack of growth within the company like raising in ranks easily like government owned work places. It could also be due to fear, some companies scare there workers with sack and they feel threatened so when better jobs opportunities come they turn to jump on it. Some of this companies also don't have retirement plans like pensions and workers tend to look for pensionable jobs since its hard to save for some during their active working days. Irregular transfers of employees by employers can effect the switching of jobs or people seeking to be independent.

A lot depends on the upbringing that parents were able to lay in their children, how hardworking and purposeful they are. Parents who devoted very little time to their children, because they were constantly at work, literally let their children make their own choices. And in this case, it is clear that they will choose the easiest way. Work is important for everyone, idleness gives a lot of time to do stupid things.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: KingsDen on November 06, 2022, 09:30:54 AM
Examining this condition from another angle will make you understand that some employees naturally do not want to work for so long for their employers. Some have business skills that they need some money to save up and open their business, some also wants to own their own company maybe they came for some experiences.

So anyone that has their different ambition to pursue will only work with a company for a short period of time before they find their ways. Any determined person will leave a company no matter how good the company treats the person. They might not decide to trade their future with monthly payments.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Mauser on November 06, 2022, 09:34:06 AM
What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?

To me it seems so that companies are struggling to keep employee for a longer period of time in today's world. Maybe it's a new generations thing and part of the mindset of employees now to always look for a better deal, for a new promotions or higher salary. Like what we are doing with shopping these days, we are not sticking to one stores we like and we have been there in the past, rather we compare prices all across countries to find the one store that offers a little bit better deal. When I think of my grand father or even father, the both worked only for two different companies in their whole life. What was a big difference for them compared to me now is that the companies they worked for had a special retirement plan, you need to work a minimum of 30 years for them and then you became eligible for a private retirement payout. The money you get on top of your government retirement money is large part of the salary and it would make no sense to switch companies after working their 20 years. Today it is very different, special retirement packages are independent from the company and an employee can take it with him when he switches the company. There is no real incentive anymore to only stick to one or two companies your whole life.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: YUriy1991 on November 06, 2022, 09:39:54 AM

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?

The simple answer is, no, it's not a losing battle. A company can retain any number of employees and everyone's needs in important ways. Reducing turnover is one goal to achieve, but a company can also enhance employee retention by engaging the current workforce in more meaningful and effective ways while also working to decrease the number of their hires who leave within just six months of their first day.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Kakmakr on November 06, 2022, 10:08:37 AM
The Generation Z kids do not believe in the same things that the Generation X believed in... namely ==> Staying with one company until they pension.... they are "Zoomers" and they like to Job hop from one job to the next.

Companies should actually welcome this trend, because it brings new ideas to the company and their labor cost are also kept lower in the long run. (Long-term employees normally have inflated salaries for the same job description)  :P


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: DanWalker on November 06, 2022, 10:09:04 AM


I don't know whether the data is accurate or not, if the employee stops working, how do they meet their daily needs, does the state pay for their living expenses or the state pays them a salary?
There is nothing wrong with the data as this is just a random survey and there is no guarantee that it will happen. This is what I'm thinking, what will they do for a living if they quit? Will they do business? Not everyone can afford to do that. So I don't think this will happen.

but in this case, different regions have different problems too, in my country because there are many job applicants, the majority of companies give tough qualifications to the applicant.

but if the company does not give their employees comfort then the company will find it difficult to retain their employees for the long term. Many experienced employees will definitely try to find job vacancies in other companies.


This is happening in my area too, unemployment is very high and people are rushing to find work, almost they are willing to do any job that is not their specialty as long as it can earn money and help them make ends meet. For highly qualified people, they will have the right to demand or choose, but for workers, they have almost no right to choose and workers make up the majority of us.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Fortify on November 06, 2022, 10:40:40 AM
Reading this article (https://www.worklife.news/talent/is-long-term-employee-retention-a-losing-battle/), I couldn't help but wonder about a lot of things that have gone wrong and is going wrong in companies. Some of these companies are know that employees leaving are a problem and are making efforts to fix it while other who know, ,amy have chosen to ignore it.
Below are some important points highlighted in the article.

According to the report, more than 6.5 million people (20% of the U.K. workforce) are expected to quit their job in the next 12 months, according to estimates from the Charted Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), which published the data in June after surveying more than 6,000 workers. That’s up from 2021, when 16% of the U.K. workforce said they plan to quit within a year, according to the CIPD. Meanwhile, in March Microsoft’s global Work Trend Index found that 52% of Gen Zers and Millennials — the two generations that represent the vast majority of the workforce — were likely to consider changing jobs within the following year.

Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?

It is a double edged sword in many situations, yes you want to retain the very best, innovative and adaptable employees in your company but many employees can get very complacent in their jobs leading to lower productivity and eventual obsolescence of their company. Employees can also naturally expect pay rises over time, even though they are unwilling to take pay cuts during much tougher times for the company and older employees will generally attract much higher costs while potentially coasting on previous goodwill. Few companies in most industries can be successful with very high turnover, because often a lot of experience and skill is lost over time which can be very beneficial.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: TimeTeller on November 06, 2022, 04:59:27 PM
The Generation Z kids do not believe in the same things that the Generation X believed in... namely ==> Staying with one company until they pension.... they are "Zoomers" and they like to Job hop from one job to the next.

Companies should actually welcome this trend, because it brings new ideas to the company and their labor cost are also kept lower in the long run. (Long-term employees normally have inflated salaries for the same job description)  :P

Times are changing and so with our generation of young adults.
They may have different preferences in life and so with their work desires.
Companies should think that this is not unusual but because of evolving taste of every generation,
owed to evolving environment and advancement of technology. Their options seems to be varied these days.
Most are not keeping up with the tradition of retiring from their job after long years of working.
This battle is not new anyway, it just revitalized throughout the years because of our changing environment.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Lubang Bawah on November 07, 2022, 04:45:37 AM
If the company is too often changing employees, the company's long -term goals will be difficult to achieve, and of course it is a tiring thing if the company is only filled with new employees, the company must dare to invest by maintaining employees who have potential because if the loss of the employee then the company's long -term plan can fail .


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: $anounimus$ on November 07, 2022, 05:50:41 AM
For example, if you were a leader in a company what would you see?

Employee choice is an important factor in the long-term development of companies and individuals. So you have to pay attention to whether the person you choose is good or bad. If you have a special situation right now, you should try to think hard before making a decision. Remember, time is gold and only you can control your own future and that of your company.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: stompix on November 07, 2022, 10:34:41 AM
I'm totally surprised by the replies here, sometimes I wonder, is anyone actually working for a company, or is everyone here a freelancer?

Nobody in three pages of replies thought about a thing:
There are companies who can't keep their employees because the employees themselves don't want that from the start, from the moment they signed the hiring contract they knew, this is a job for 1 2 maybe 5 years!

If you're a student and you get a job at a call center, a hyper store, gaming testing, or a barista, this is what you're going to do all your life, you're going to serve coffee all your life at the same place for 50 years? Are you going to play Fifa 2100 for EA till you are 65 to discover bugs?
There are millions of jobs that have no retention capabilities at all, nobody wants to work there their whole life, everyone wants to get better paid, less stress, and less physical work and there is no way in hell a pretzel stand in some mall will be able to pay you what a desk job at Exor would.

Again, I'm shocked that nobody realized this, all of you you still think you could have worked for the first company that hired you and you think that company had the profit margin to grant you the wage you desired?


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: ultrloa on November 07, 2022, 11:25:26 AM
If the company is too often changing employees, the company's long -term goals will be difficult to achieve, and of course it is a tiring thing if the company is only filled with new employees, the company must dare to invest by maintaining employees who have potential because if the loss of the employee then the company's long -term plan can fail .

No company will change their employee if they see them working so well and they can deliver excellent result to their jobs, for sure a company will treat them as a gem and the only one who will get lay off are those people which have bad record or silent type person which they are unknown to their top officials. Companies will not erase all the employees since this can affect to their overall performance and maybe their productivity will became more lower.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: davis196 on November 07, 2022, 12:00:51 PM
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Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

This is a double edged sword. What if the companies actually do take care of their employees, but the employees aren't loyal and they quit when they have a chance? Investing time and resources into the skills of your employees and seeing them leaving your company and getting hired by the competition must be the living nightmare for every employer.
We live in the "freelance age", where it's easier to simply outsource the task to some guy from the Philippines, who will do it for a 10 times lower price. Maybe this is another reason why the western companies don't cherish their employees that much. Nowadays, everyone is replaceable and everything can be outsourced.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: South Park on November 12, 2022, 10:30:18 PM
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Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

This is a double edged sword. What if the companies actually do take care of their employees, but the employees aren't loyal and they quit when they have a chance? Investing time and resources into the skills of your employees and seeing them leaving your company and getting hired by the competition must be the living nightmare for every employer.
We live in the "freelance age", where it's easier to simply outsource the task to some guy from the Philippines, who will do it for a 10 times lower price. Maybe this is another reason why the western companies don't cherish their employees that much. Nowadays, everyone is replaceable and everything can be outsourced.
Employees did not started this trend, it was the companies which did so, long time ago people still expected to work most of their life at a single company, but then companies began treating their employees as replaceable and firing them for no reason at all, at the beginning employees were confused about this new reality but they adapted themselves quickly to it, so now they do not care at all about the company in which they are working and they will only do what it is necessary to receive their paycheck, companies do not like this but it is their fault as this is the environment they wanted to create.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: qwertyup23 on November 12, 2022, 11:44:21 PM
Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?

Personally, I think the reason for the high-turnover rate of some companies is due to the management not adapting to the "new normal" which COVID introduced. When the pandemic hit, this was a realization to most employees that they could actually function and work better while not physically attending on their desk and office jobs. Some companies, despite this realization, still chose to prefer the conventional way of operating their jobs which ultimately led to people quitting.

But if there is one thing that I have noticed with this generation, it is that most GenZ and millenials somehow job hop from one company to another, looking for the place which offers the highest profit. While this kind of strategy works most of the time, this damages their reputation in the long-term.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: AmoreJaz on November 12, 2022, 11:51:13 PM
Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?

Personally, I think the reason for the high-turnover rate of some companies is due to the management not adapting to the "new normal" which COVID introduced. When the pandemic hit, this was a realization to most employees that they could actually function and work better while not physically attending on their desk and office jobs. Some companies, despite this realization, still chose to prefer the conventional way of operating their jobs which ultimately led to people quitting.

But if there is one thing that I have noticed with this generation, it is that most GenZ and millenials somehow job hop from one company to another, looking for the place which offers the highest profit. While this kind of strategy works most of the time, this damages their reputation in the long-term.

indeed! during this pandemic crisis, many employers as well as employees found out that remote working is also a productive one. while attending to their jobs, they can also balance their personal life by working at the comfort of their homes. some do adopt this working set-up if their work don't necessitate them to be physically present at their office.
i guess, companies should accept the fact that long-term employee retention is already a thing in the past. as we are in this digital age, most individuals just hop from one job to another, looking for greener pastures.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Semar Mesem on November 13, 2022, 06:41:06 AM
If the company wants to move forward then the thing that must be done is always do skills training for employees, if regular training is carried out it will produce quality employees so that it becomes the most valuable advantage and asset for the company, sometimes companies are afraid to provide training because if employees have good skills then will leave and find another company, this is a mistake.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Davidvictorson on November 13, 2022, 07:04:17 AM
If the company is too often changing employees, the company's long -term goals will be difficult to achieve, and of course it is a tiring thing if the company is only filled with new employees, the company must dare to invest by maintaining employees who have potential because if the loss of the employee then the company's long -term plan can fail .
In my estimation, leave some permanent staff and employ remote workers who would not have access to confidential company secrets. I mean that is the direction that the world is going and like they say, if you cannot not beat them then join them. Besides, we know that some CEOs already are buying the idea of remote or hybrid work. I think the biggest thing that employees need now is freedom and because there are already more than one option, they leave. CEOs should incorporate both remote and hybrid work. It would help.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Markinzo on November 15, 2022, 02:19:23 AM
The main reason why employees leave companies can be on lack of incentives or rather lack of growth. Some of these companies are too rigid to the extent that its workers have less time to spend with family or even time for themselves. Some work six days in a week at at least 10hours daily. Another thing that prompts some workers to seek greener pasture else might be because they are not comfortable with shifts allocated to them, lack of growth within the company like raising in ranks easily like government owned work places. It could also be due to fear, some companies scare there workers with sack and they feel threatened so when better jobs opportunities come they turn to jump on it. Some of this companies also don't have retirement plans like pensions and workers tend to look for pensionable jobs since its hard to save for some during their active working days. Irregular transfers of employees by employers can effect the switching of jobs or people seeking to be independent.

Every salary earner looks and hope towards a wonderful pensionable life after years in service and this hopes can hardly be fulfilled with private establishments, for a very few of them tend to meet up to this expectations from employees and that's why every employee with a good retirement plans in mind will definitely switch from one establishments to another in his/her best interest as these private establishments are there for their own best interest too.
In third world countries especially, the only establishments that obviously renders gratuity and pension to  employees after their years of service is done with are the government owned establishments and that's why many people scout for employment is parastatals and establishments own by government as the feel secure about their pension and gratuity benefits in their old age under government establishments as against  the private ones. Cause a private establishments is profit oriented based their capitalist drive which is not solely of a focus from government that seek to just making sure her citizens are gainfully employed, perhaps the reasons for job switch by many.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: RolonNigel on November 15, 2022, 03:42:40 AM
It is still necessary to distinguish the business of the company. If it is a sales company, the turnover of employees is very high. If it is a technology company, the boss will definitely find a way to retain core personnel.
Now the company has developed good benefits to retain core personnel. Employees will also want to leave because they are dissatisfied with the company's system, or they are not satisfied with the salary. Some employees of small companies change a group of people every week...


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on November 15, 2022, 01:45:08 PM
If the company is too often changing employees, the company's long -term goals will be difficult to achieve, and of course it is a tiring thing if the company is only filled with new employees, the company must dare to invest by maintaining employees who have potential because if the loss of the employee then the company's long -term plan can fail .
Not necessarily a company that changes employees frequently, is not able to achieve long-term goals, this I often see in the area where I live. One example of a financial company, they rotate employees every two years, but long-term targets such as loans are going very well.
For me, the most important thing is that management, directors or heads of fields can work together to build a more advanced company, the concept lies in these three components in my opinion.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Fatunad on November 15, 2022, 06:47:01 PM
If the company is too often changing employees, the company's long -term goals will be difficult to achieve, and of course it is a tiring thing if the company is only filled with new employees, the company must dare to invest by maintaining employees who have potential because if the loss of the employee then the company's long -term plan can fail .
Not necessarily a company that changes employees frequently, is not able to achieve long-term goals, this I often see in the area where I live. One example of a financial company, they rotate employees every two years, but long-term targets such as loans are going very well.
For me, the most important thing is that management, directors or heads of fields can work together to build a more advanced company, the concept lies in these three components in my opinion.
Doesnt matter if they are making out active shuffling or replacing of their employees or not then its still their rights on what they should gonna do into their company.If they do look for it to be relevant or useful then
they would be surely be doing that even it would really be getting those bad feedbacks or negative impressions by others but if it turns out to make productivity to be effective then they would really be sticking into that.They are the one who do run the company then there's no choice but to deal up with their system. So as an employee then you dont have any choice but to deal with it.
Its sad if you've been thinking about long term relationship but it cant be possible for this kind of company set-up.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on November 16, 2022, 09:45:24 AM
Doesnt matter if they are making out active shuffling or replacing of their employees or not then its still their rights on what they should gonna do into their company.If they do look for it to be relevant or useful then
they would be surely be doing that even it would really be getting those bad feedbacks or negative impressions by others but if it turns out to make productivity to be effective then they would really be sticking into that.They are the one who do run the company then there's no choice but to deal up with their system. So as an employee then you dont have any choice but to deal with it.
Its sad if you've been thinking about long term relationship but it cant be possible for this kind of company set-up.
Basically, not all employees have good performance in the long term, therefore it is necessary to select according to needs. The company has certain standards in terms of achievement as a set target, for that they recruit employees who are competent and in accordance with their knowledge, in contrast to working in a government environment which is generally less responsible for performance, while companies have greater standards and responsibilities.

However, if you are not the type of person who likes to be managed and does not want to follow the company's standard work system, then this job is not the right place for us to go.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: YUriy1991 on November 16, 2022, 10:09:21 AM
If the company wants to move forward then the thing that must be done is always do skills training for employees, if regular training is carried out it will produce quality employees so that it becomes the most valuable advantage and asset for the company, sometimes companies are afraid to provide training because if employees have good skills then will leave and find another company, this is a mistake.

Yes, businesses may expect employee retention, there is a much stronger force driving the success of any company namely business performance. they need the best employees so that the company's ultimate goals are achieved at the end of the year.

Hopefully, with a little extra effort and attention, companies can improve the way they work, and get their employees to live up to their philosophy. Of course it's worth taking the time to consider how you might go about it, given how much money and talent a company can lose without realizing it.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: gantez on November 16, 2022, 05:51:26 PM

sometimes companies are afraid to provide training because if employees have good skills then will leave and find another company, this is a mistake.

Training and more training is very good for company and that is the international standard. Company that is focus know how to take care of the workers not to leave maybe by bonus, breaks, good working condition. If you give workers that kind of benefit they will stay more time. If company is afraid that workers will leave them they can sign contract with the worker to stay with them for the period of time specify and by this agreement they will not leave till the date expire. This is how football team have the players contract also.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Falconer on November 16, 2022, 07:15:44 PM
What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
In my country, jobs are more difficult and there are very few of them than the number of graduates each year. Each of these graduates needs a job and is even willing to stand in line for years to get a job according to their educational background.

I can also say that in my country many employees are willing to volunteer in government agencies for a very small salary. This is a huge advantage for the government or certain companies because they will think that there is nothing to be afraid of when many of their employees quit.

I never know who to blame even though in fact volunteer workers in government agencies are the most common choice of workers. The problem is that the government cannot humanize humans, I mean they only benefit from their workers but ignore more rights from their workers.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Sterbens on November 16, 2022, 07:38:16 PM
If the company is too often changing employees, the company's long -term goals will be difficult to achieve, and of course it is a tiring thing if the company is only filled with new employees, the company must dare to invest by maintaining employees who have potential because if the loss of the employee then the company's long -term plan can fail .
You are right if turnover is too frequent then it will affect the company itself, because they have to start over from scratch. I mean if the plan for the future is held by a new person then the plan will be a little different because usually employees have their own ideas which will later be channeled into their work. Indeed, it must be through permission from the company itself, but still, in my opinion, there will be a margin of 2 different ideas.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Fortify on November 16, 2022, 09:40:24 PM
Reading this article (https://www.worklife.news/talent/is-long-term-employee-retention-a-losing-battle/), I couldn't help but wonder about a lot of things that have gone wrong and is going wrong in companies. Some of these companies are know that employees leaving are a problem and are making efforts to fix it while other who know, ,amy have chosen to ignore it.
Below are some important points highlighted in the article.

According to the report, more than 6.5 million people (20% of the U.K. workforce) are expected to quit their job in the next 12 months, according to estimates from the Charted Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), which published the data in June after surveying more than 6,000 workers. That’s up from 2021, when 16% of the U.K. workforce said they plan to quit within a year, according to the CIPD. Meanwhile, in March Microsoft’s global Work Trend Index found that 52% of Gen Zers and Millennials — the two generations that represent the vast majority of the workforce — were likely to consider changing jobs within the following year.

Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?

You are the one extrapolating and maybe taking it too far. There is often different careers that happen throughout peoples lives and suggesting that it should somehow be closer to 100% of people staying in their jobs forever is naive too. New innovations come along which reduce the need for employees, causing natural attrition within companies. Many people have certain service jobs when they are younger, maybe to sustain them through their studies, but will eventually progress into more lucrative career paths. Others realize that moving around is sometimes the only way to increase your salary but it also adds an element of instability into your life, so there is a trade off there.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Finestream on November 16, 2022, 09:57:16 PM
Reading this article (https://www.worklife.news/talent/is-long-term-employee-retention-a-losing-battle/), I couldn't help but wonder about a lot of things that have gone wrong and is going wrong in companies. Some of these companies are know that employees leaving are a problem and are making efforts to fix it while other who know, ,amy have chosen to ignore it.
Below are some important points highlighted in the article.

According to the report, more than 6.5 million people (20% of the U.K. workforce) are expected to quit their job in the next 12 months, according to estimates from the Charted Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), which published the data in June after surveying more than 6,000 workers. That’s up from 2021, when 16% of the U.K. workforce said they plan to quit within a year, according to the CIPD. Meanwhile, in March Microsoft’s global Work Trend Index found that 52% of Gen Zers and Millennials — the two generations that represent the vast majority of the workforce — were likely to consider changing jobs within the following year.

Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
For me, yes it is. The company will never have that trusted and reliable employees again if they start kicking off from their jobs. And most likely, the other companies will benefit them from then on. So if the company is responsible and does not want to lose some worth keeping employees, then they will always show some care and respect to them, that way, those employees will stay loyal to the company and maintain good performance while they are still in their jobs.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: goldkingcoiner on November 16, 2022, 10:44:24 PM
Long term employment is a relic of the past. Why would anyone wish to stay in a single role their whole life? Or work with a single company? People need change to grow and learn otherwise they are nothing but work slaves. A long time ago, back when jobs were very lucrative in pay and very rare, only the best and luckiest were selected. Obviously given the living conditions of those times the employees wanted to stay as long as possible. Because that job gave them a comfortable life. With time, employers became greedier and jobs became more abundant. Working no longer provided the same rewards as before.

Nowadays employers demand very high qualifications for crappy jobs with low pay. Even though the jobs themselves require minimal training time for new employees. So now its all about who pays more and because of this competitive market, people jump from one job to another, better paying one.

If employers sacrificed part of their profits for higher employee wages, they would have employees staying longer with them. But that is not cost effective, if you consider the cost of training new employees who accept lower wages.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Quidat on November 16, 2022, 11:08:00 PM
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For me, yes it is. The company will never have that trusted and reliable employees again if they start kicking off from their jobs. And most likely, the other companies will benefit them from then on. So if the company is responsible and does not want to lose some worth keeping employees, then they will always show some care and respect to them, that way, those employees will stay loyal to the company and maintain good performance while they are still in their jobs.
Very normal for a company to be looking for someone whose productive which its their right whether they would really be firing or keeping those employees which i couldnt really blame out
companies on doing this considering that they are running off a business then it would really be normal that they would be looking for something efficient and productive since we do know
that they are aiming for more revenue but on the thing you had said and mentioned then you do actually have the point.Respect is also one of the key on getting those loyal
employees which would really be working under your company.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: justdimin on November 17, 2022, 03:05:21 PM
Basically, not all employees have good performance in the long term, therefore it is necessary to select according to needs. The company has certain standards in terms of achievement as a set target, for that they recruit employees who are competent and in accordance with their knowledge, in contrast to working in a government environment which is generally less responsible for performance, while companies have greater standards and responsibilities.

However, if you are not the type of person who likes to be managed and does not want to follow the company's standard work system, then this job is not the right place for us to go.
Not all workers have the same talent, but not all companies have the same compensation neither. I have been working for the same person for over 6 years now, do you know how that happened? I am a good employee I think, I do my best, and he is a great boss and we found an amazing pairing, you know how? Because I do my best, and he pays me accordingly and even then some, and keeps me insanely happy, I would never even consider working for anyone else.

Do you think companies pay their employees like that? How many companies are out there paying people so much money that people would not even consider working for another company? Not a lot, most companies pay 50% of what you should be paid, that’s the problem.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Falconer on November 17, 2022, 06:51:34 PM
Do you think companies pay their employees like that? How many companies are out there paying people so much money that people would not even consider working for another company? Not a lot, most companies pay 50% of what you should be paid, that’s the problem.
There are rules that require companies to pay appropriate wages to their employees and they must be complied with. But maybe not all companies will comply with these rules when paying salaries to employees so that there will always be an incentive to leave and change jobs among their employees.

The problem is, many employees do not receive a salary that is in accordance with the minimum wage standard set by the government. So many employees complain about this, but they have to stay in their jobs considering the difficulty of other jobs to get.

I want to ask, does it make sense for you to earn $100 - $120 per month for 156 hours of work per month?


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: batang_bitcoin on November 17, 2022, 07:40:00 PM
The problem is, many employees do not receive a salary that is in accordance with the minimum wage standard set by the government. So many employees complain about this, but they have to stay in their jobs considering the difficulty of other jobs to get.
That's so true. There are companies and employers that are taking advantage of the situation and they're underpaying their employees because they know that they'll keep it and won't have an argument with their lesser than the minimum wage. They know and understands the hardship of finding a new job.

I want to ask, does it make sense for you to earn $100 - $120 per month for 156 hours of work per month?
This is very low but depends on the country, there are countries that have cheap ways of living and this can be appropriate there. But in actuality, this is beyond and lower than most minimum wage.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Semar Mesem on November 18, 2022, 01:42:53 PM
If we often change jobs then our skills will never be maximized, sometimes people think that by changing jobs then he can benefit, if we only come from a salary of course this is a wrong thing, companies pay salaries of course look at the skills we have, if we are paid low then the company sees that our skills are still low.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Davian144 on November 18, 2022, 02:42:32 PM
If we often change jobs then our skills will never be maximized, sometimes people think that by changing jobs then he can benefit, if we only come from a salary of course this is a wrong thing, companies pay salaries of course look at the skills we have, if we are paid low then the company sees that our skills are still low.
Logically, when someone has worked in several places with different professions, it is clear that there will be a bit of different experience and different knowledge that he will get. Even though it won't be optimal, if he has a high will to continue to improve his abilities in certain fields that already have the basics, then nothing is impossible for him to get the maximum knowledge and abilities.

The company also places certain people with their respective expertise in the required fields because that is also based on the knowledge and experience that someone already has. Because companies only need employees who work well apart from having certain skills and the company obviously won't think about how much knowledge and experience you have gained while working there.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Ultegra134 on November 18, 2022, 05:58:40 PM
Long term employment is a relic of the past. Why would anyone wish to stay in a single role their whole life? Or work with a single company? People need change to grow and learn otherwise they are nothing but work slaves. A long time ago, back when jobs were very lucrative in pay and very rare, only the best and luckiest were selected. Obviously given the living conditions of those times the employees wanted to stay as long as possible. Because that job gave them a comfortable life. With time, employers became greedier and jobs became more abundant. Working no longer provided the same rewards as before.

Nowadays employers demand very high qualifications for crappy jobs with low pay. Even though the jobs themselves require minimal training time for new employees. So now its all about who pays more and because of this competitive market, people jump from one job to another, better paying one.

If employers sacrificed part of their profits for higher employee wages, they would have employees staying longer with them. But that is not cost effective, if you consider the cost of training new employees who accept lower wages.

The only reason I can see is financial stability through one job or company that you acknowledge; we seek comfort in what we know and feel safe with. Change is sometimes difficult and may seem out of reach for some, which is one of the reasons someone would be hesitant to make such a switch. On the other hand, by switching jobs, you're much more likely to obtain a pay rise than by staying in the same job for years. 

Another article I recently read claimed that the average increase in salary for someone who's staying at a specific job for years is up to 4–5%, while changing jobs can achieve up to 20%. I can't vouch for the validity of such claims, but it sounds possible. Long-term employees are rarely appreciated until their resignation comes. 


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: batang_bitcoin on November 18, 2022, 08:39:38 PM
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when your time ends at some place you are suppose to move from that place.
I still don't get what that means but if it's about the low salary then it's really just going to be an adaption matter. You'll have to depend on that place and as well as your way of living.
Whether it's a small amount of salary per month and companies won't think about your welfare, you'll just have to do the things on your own and do all the adjustments.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: TheUltraElite on November 19, 2022, 04:57:32 AM
when your time ends at some place you are suppose to move from that place.
That is one way of saying it. But someone having the skills will be able to move on to another place. The difference is between the old and the young, the young are usually trying to settle, so they will accept the lower payment at a new or old place while the older user will try to retain their position in the company and not move.

There are exceptions but trying to maintain the status quo is what majority of people try to do over time. It is a sense of comfort with regular routine and regular place to work in.

Even then, getting laid off is bad thing both emotionally and economically. I do hope the future generations understand this and attempt in hobs that they have interest or a passion in.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: adiksau0414 on November 19, 2022, 08:37:11 AM
Due to technology booming success, mostly people (specially in GenZ) can find easier job, without a boss (like vlogging, affiliation, etc). Most of the business also have a major crisis in starting after a long vacation from the pandemic that can't afford to hire their previous employees. Sadly, most of the 90's baby is much affected by it. I just not ok to that people nowadays don't like so much work, but can't blame them because the hardworkers sometimes received small amount of compensation rather than those who enjoying videoing themselves and can earn thousands of dollar.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: yhiaali3 on November 19, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
They will be forced to win the battle in the long run, otherwise they will lose all their employees and stop their companies. Sooner or later companies will realize that continuing with this same policy will cause them to lose their employees and stop their business, so I expect that they will start improving the standard of living and salaries to ensure the survival of their employees.
 But at the same time, companies are going through difficult times as a result of the bad global economic situation, so they may look for other solutions, for example, using workers from other countries who accept lower wages and a lower standard of living, but certainly these workers will not be of the same quality and experience as the resigning workers and this will have a negative impact bad in the long run.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Crypto Legend on November 19, 2022, 09:02:15 AM
When someone is comfortable working in a company, most of them will be loyal and accept even with a small salary, I have worked in a company and mostly filled with employees who have been working for more than 20 years, of course it is very difficult to find or move to work if I have worked too long at one place.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Yatsan on November 19, 2022, 12:47:44 PM
When someone is comfortable working in a company, most of them will be loyal and accept even with a small salary, I have worked in a company and mostly filled with employees who have been working for more than 20 years, of course it is very difficult to find or move to work if I have worked too long at one place.
Indeed evident. An employee could seek for a high salary but would encounter toxic environments. For people who became employees for years, they settle for things which are more important to them. Some would choose salary over environment but we cannot blame those who wants a peaceful life as an employee. We do all have different circumstances. If you are needing money then you're morr likely to last in a company which pays high but if you're not having that much of problem, you'd be good with a healthy working environment. It depends on the individual because that would be your preference.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: 19Nov16 on November 19, 2022, 01:46:14 PM
The presence of technology allows anyone to change work easily and quickly, I also feel the easy to send an online job application application and get the opportunity to work, of course I adjust the right time to be able to take the test in the company that I am aiming for, of course the main reason is the offer of salary higher.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on November 19, 2022, 06:05:12 PM
Not all workers have the same talent, but not all companies have the same compensation neither. I have been working for the same person for over 6 years now, do you know how that happened? I am a good employee I think, I do my best, and he is a great boss and we found an amazing pairing, you know how? Because I do my best, and he pays me accordingly and even then some, and keeps me insanely happy, I would never even consider working for anyone else.
That is why companies need to choose people who are suitable in their work, companies also have standards for the selection of employees they recruit, so they can work according to the duties charged, the company's compensation is different, if you have worked well according to the standards What is set, then surely the company will pay compensation that is in accordance with the employment contract agreement, it is the obligation of the company and cannot commit violations of compensation, because workers are protected by law and the company cannot ignore it.

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Do you think companies pay their employees like that? How many companies are out there paying people so much money that people would not even consider working for another company? Not a lot, most companies pay 50% of what you should be paid, that’s the problem.
That should be done by the company and pay employees in accordance with the agreement, this cannot be ignored by the company, because workers can sue the company if they do not pay appropriate compensation. I don't understand what you mean most companies pay 50% that you should pay.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: CageMabok on November 19, 2022, 11:50:43 PM
When someone is comfortable working in a company, most of them will be loyal and accept even with a small salary, I have worked in a company and mostly filled with employees who have been working for more than 20 years, of course it is very difficult to find or move to work if I have worked too long at one place.
A comfort is indeed very difficult to exchange for a bigger salary at another company, because working comfortably is everyone's dream besides they are looking for money. It is indeed very logical to maintain because everyone also will not be able to last long on a large salary if there is no comfort when they work. And besides that, the difficulty of getting a job with a big salary can also be the main reason for some people who still want to stick with their old job even though their income doesn't increase.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: xSkylarx on November 20, 2022, 03:33:28 AM
Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.


Employees leave their jobs because the company does not care about them; they have few benefits and a low salary and treat employees like robots. I am also planning to quit my job in the next 6 months due to a low salary and many tasks you need to do but no salary increase. This can make the employee burn out, and I am sure it could affect the company's transaction if they quit immediately without proper handover. I'm not sure when they will recognize their employees' efforts, but they should begin focusing on employee development now so they can later focus on expanding their business.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: CageMabok on November 20, 2022, 03:33:51 AM
For some people - they would want to change the environment every year some people want to stick to one place.
There is a big telecom company in my country - when people leave that - they are always unhappy for resigning. I think if you a comfortable at one place stay there and dont be over effect
The advice you give is not wrong, but it's just more suitable for those who prioritize comfort without prioritizing a large salary. Because some people who are aiming for a big salary or income will not always prioritize comfort as long as they can be able to survive in a job that has no comfort at all.

But if the choice is intended for me personally, then I will choose a job with a higher salary, because comfort will come by itself when we truly enjoy and love our work.
Although, as I said before, where getting a job with a higher salary is not an easy matter at this time, so most people will only choose a comfortable job with a modest salary.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: xSkylarx on November 20, 2022, 11:01:14 AM
For some people - they would want to change the environment every year some people want to stick to one place.
There is a big telecom company in my country - when people leave that - they are always unhappy for resigning. I think if you a comfortable at one place stay there and dont be over effect
The advice you give is not wrong, but it's just more suitable for those who prioritize comfort without prioritizing a large salary. Because some people who are aiming for a big salary or income will not always prioritize comfort as long as they can be able to survive in a job that has no comfort at all.

But if the choice is intended for me personally, then I will choose a job with a higher salary, because comfort will come by itself when we truly enjoy and love our work.
Although, as I said before, where getting a job with a higher salary is not an easy matter at this time, so most people will only choose a comfortable job with a modest salary.


It burns you out quickly and will cause a mental breakdown; I've been in that situation, and even though I resigned, many people asked why I quit that job, given that it pays well and can make you wealthy. Well, at first, it is very stressful, and just to make my mind positive, I am saying that I will be happy while doing this job after a few months, but it turns out I will not be. Can you imagine I'm still bringing my task home and usually don't have time for my family? I'm also easily irritated, so my family is affected by it. It took me months to decide to shift careers, so now I am happy, and I am always looking forward to Mondays to go to work, unlike before.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: 2stout on November 20, 2022, 08:23:50 PM
Long-term employee retention is not a losing battle if the company knows how the treat people, it's part of the corporate culture, and as long as bureaucracy and policy isn't opposite of these. 


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: South Park on November 20, 2022, 09:16:31 PM
For some people - they would want to change the environment every year some people want to stick to one place.
There is a big telecom company in my country - when people leave that - they are always unhappy for resigning. I think if you a comfortable at one place stay there and dont be over effect
The advice you give is not wrong, but it's just more suitable for those who prioritize comfort without prioritizing a large salary. Because some people who are aiming for a big salary or income will not always prioritize comfort as long as they can be able to survive in a job that has no comfort at all.

But if the choice is intended for me personally, then I will choose a job with a higher salary, because comfort will come by itself when we truly enjoy and love our work.
Although, as I said before, where getting a job with a higher salary is not an easy matter at this time, so most people will only choose a comfortable job with a modest salary.
Without a doubt there are circumstances in which you have no other option but to take the highest salary possible due to some debts you may have or because you have other more pressing needs, but I can tell you that sooner or later this is going to take a toll on you as I have seen people which only cared about the money and they were miserable, because they did things they hated just to get a few more dollars and whatever happiness they got from that money was eclipsed by the unhappiness that job brought them.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Ryu_Ar1 on November 20, 2022, 09:35:34 PM
Apart from conducting a survey about whether or not an employee leaves, there must be an additional reason why they want to leave the company they currently occupy because in my opinion this is one thing that really has a connection between one and the other.
We can't say they lost or not because in this case we still don't know the reasons that really made them want to leave.
If indeed the reason they left makes sense, such as problems that often occur in compensation or wages that don't match then indeed we also can't blame the employees who want to leave but when the reasons they do for leaving are things that don't really make sense then maybe I will say they failed at this.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Mahanton on November 20, 2022, 09:48:46 PM
For some people - they would want to change the environment every year some people want to stick to one place.
There is a big telecom company in my country - when people leave that - they are always unhappy for resigning. I think if you a comfortable at one place stay there and dont be over effect
The advice you give is not wrong, but it's just more suitable for those who prioritize comfort without prioritizing a large salary. Because some people who are aiming for a big salary or income will not always prioritize comfort as long as they can be able to survive in a job that has no comfort at all.

But if the choice is intended for me personally, then I will choose a job with a higher salary, because comfort will come by itself when we truly enjoy and love our work.
Although, as I said before, where getting a job with a higher salary is not an easy matter at this time, so most people will only choose a comfortable job with a modest salary.


It burns you out quickly and will cause a mental breakdown; I've been in that situation, and even though I resigned, many people asked why I quit that job, given that it pays well and can make you wealthy. Well, at first, it is very stressful, and just to make my mind positive, I am saying that I will be happy while doing this job after a few months, but it turns out I will not be. Can you imagine I'm still bringing my task home and usually don't have time for my family? I'm also easily irritated, so my family is affected by it. It took me months to decide to shift careers, so now I am happy, and I am always looking forward to Mondays to go to work, unlike before.
There are really some exemptions when it comes into these kind of situations on which you would be needed to quit or resign on a certain job if you arent that happy or it do really make out huge effects on your living
not only on some aspects but on major ones which is really that affecting you as a person and towards also into your family which it would really be just right that you should really do and you cant
really be just living like this forever.Even myself had tested or experienced out on having a job which is really just too far on my interest and very stressful which i have decided on resigning and
finding another job which do really suits me out and wont really be that something give out some problems on my daily life.Yes,its good paying but if you arent
happy on doing it then it would really be a burden.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Kadal Ijo on November 21, 2022, 07:14:24 AM
Apart from conducting a survey about whether or not an employee leaves, there must be an additional reason why they want to leave the company they currently occupy because in my opinion this is one thing that really has a connection between one and the other.
We can't say they lost or not because in this case we still don't know the reasons that really made them want to leave.
If indeed the reason they left makes sense, such as problems that often occur in compensation or wages that don't match then indeed we also can't blame the employees who want to leave but when the reasons they do for leaving are things that don't really make sense then maybe I will say they failed at this.

Sometimes people consider that when employees come out of work because there is a problem with the company, but according to the latest survey states that employees who come out because they feel the salary offered by the new company is more feasible and appropriate, the most common company's mistakes are no appreciation to employees, and the best awards for employees is to provide a decent salary.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: krishnaverma on November 21, 2022, 04:59:49 PM
The only formula to retain the employees is to genuinely care about them. The company policies should reflect this. Also, there are other factors involved like the role of each individual I  the company should be well defined. Then only there can be good reporting and you can expect the employee to be content with his work also. If the employees get bonus and extra pay for extra work, they will feel that the company cares about them. The employer should also keep communicating with employees frequently.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: South Park on November 28, 2022, 09:08:48 PM
The only formula to retain the employees is to genuinely care about them. The company policies should reflect this. Also, there are other factors involved like the role of each individual I  the company should be well defined. Then only there can be good reporting and you can expect the employee to be content with his work also. If the employees get bonus and extra pay for extra work, they will feel that the company cares about them. The employer should also keep communicating with employees frequently.
And since that is not happening then it is no wonder why the retention of employees long term is a losing battle, another important point is that now employers look for people with all kind of skills and years of experience already, and if you spend most of your life doing something then it will be more difficult to find a job as you will be limited on the kind of work you can do, so people already realized this and they take different jobs with different skill requirements so they can gain the experience needed, which causes employee turnover to increase even further.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 28, 2022, 09:32:34 PM
The only formula to retain the employees is to genuinely care about them. The company policies should reflect this. Also, there are other factors involved like the role of each individual I  the company should be well defined. Then only there can be good reporting and you can expect the employee to be content with his work also. If the employees get bonus and extra pay for extra work, they will feel that the company cares about them. The employer should also keep communicating with employees frequently.
And since that is not happening then it is no wonder why the retention of employees long term is a losing battle, another important point is that now employers look for people with all kind of skills and years of experience already, and if you spend most of your life doing something then it will be more difficult to find a job as you will be limited on the kind of work you can do, so people already realized this and they take different jobs with different skill requirements so they can gain the experience needed, which causes employee turnover to increase even further.
What are your options or choices, actually?

When you do retain on a certain work for a long time then of course you would really be having that expertise and on the time that you've been laid off or have been fired then for sure you would be finding up

jobs which would really be correlated on the job that you do have before or simply sticking with your skill set and we know that not all would be having that multiple skills and expertise.
We know that competition is really high which there's no way that we could really be easily get some job once we do get fired or laid off. This is why its always been smart on making
yourself do really explore and learn up new skills even if you are still having your day job.

Survival is what we do really mind the most and it is really just normal that we would be finding up ways in advanced.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: 19Nov16 on November 29, 2022, 04:35:03 AM
The only formula to retain the employees is to genuinely care about them. The company policies should reflect this. Also, there are other factors involved like the role of each individual I  the company should be well defined. Then only there can be good reporting and you can expect the employee to be content with his work also. If the employees get bonus and extra pay for extra work, they will feel that the company cares about them. The employer should also keep communicating with employees frequently.

True, when the company sees the potential and good work of employees, the company's strategy is to maintain the employee, I work in the HRD section and there is a special part that observes employee performance, if the employee's assessment is good, it will get an additional bonus, vacation with family, and Many other bonuses so that the employee can survive.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: South Park on December 05, 2022, 09:16:05 PM
The only formula to retain the employees is to genuinely care about them. The company policies should reflect this. Also, there are other factors involved like the role of each individual I  the company should be well defined. Then only there can be good reporting and you can expect the employee to be content with his work also. If the employees get bonus and extra pay for extra work, they will feel that the company cares about them. The employer should also keep communicating with employees frequently.

True, when the company sees the potential and good work of employees, the company's strategy is to maintain the employee, I work in the HRD section and there is a special part that observes employee performance, if the employee's assessment is good, it will get an additional bonus, vacation with family, and Many other bonuses so that the employee can survive.
This should be the standard but believe it or not many companies never do this, if you are an excellent employee many companies just assume that they are already paying you enough and there is no need to give you any kind of bonus, and when this continues for months or even years people realize that no matter how good is their performance they will not get more money, so they either look for another job with a better pay or begin to slack off.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Joshapat on December 06, 2022, 01:20:54 AM
Many companies do not care about employee conditions, when employees get financial difficulties and try to owe but the company does not want to give debt, when there is a better opportunity or offer, the employee will soon be out, and of course the company is losing money because they have to train the employees who are again New and this certainly hinders the company's mission in the long term.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Lubang Bawah on December 06, 2022, 06:25:14 AM
Long-term employee retention is not a losing battle if the company knows how the treat people, it's part of the corporate culture, and as long as bureaucracy and policy isn't opposite of these. 


I think this depends on the situation, when the company can make employees comfortable then he can survive, sometimes companies that have gotten big profits but are stingy and do not want to give annual bonuses to employees, and the company is too fast to give discounts if making mistakes and things like this that will be make employees looking for other places.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: crwth on December 06, 2022, 07:58:45 AM
Depending on your industry, you will encounter this problem when you offer so much, and there needs to be considered employee benefits that could be worth working for. What do you think would happen if someone found a better-paying company?

Maybe there are reasons for them to stay, but it's most likely a thing where the employee is benefitting from them. Hopefully, it's going to be for the good of everything.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Alpha Marine on December 06, 2022, 10:20:49 AM
Reading this article (https://www.worklife.news/talent/is-long-term-employee-retention-a-losing-battle/), I couldn't help but wonder about a lot of things that have gone wrong and is going wrong in companies. Some of these companies are know that employees leaving are a problem and are making efforts to fix it while other who know, ,amy have chosen to ignore it.
Below are some important points highlighted in the article.

According to the report, more than 6.5 million people (20% of the U.K. workforce) are expected to quit their job in the next 12 months, according to estimates from the Charted Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), which published the data in June after surveying more than 6,000 workers. That’s up from 2021, when 16% of the U.K. workforce said they plan to quit within a year, according to the CIPD. Meanwhile, in March Microsoft’s global Work Trend Index found that 52% of Gen Zers and Millennials — the two generations that represent the vast majority of the workforce — were likely to consider changing jobs within the following year.

Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?


Unfavorable work environment is the main reason people leave a work place. Most people feel is the pay but its not. Yea, the salary structure might be an issue too but there are many more reasons. At the moment, employers are losing the battle because they have been unable to identify what the problem is. Maybe they are too arrogant to notice. There are many opportunities out there these days especially for tech savvy folks so people don't want to work in a place where their mental head is not taken into consideration or a place where they're not valued. In some firms it may be lack of promotion. People stay in a firm for a long period of time without receiving promotion or an increased salary

I applied for a marketing position with a bank about two years ago. I got a call from them for an interview. At the interview I was given a very ridiculous target to achieve in a month. Even the best marketers would find it outrageous but that's not the worst part. The worst part is I had a probation period of 3 months and if after 3 months I'm not able to meet the target I was to leave. Mind you, I'll be paid based on commission.  Their strategy works, I guess but not on me.
They take people that are desperate for a job, give them targets that they can't deliver and let them go after 3 months after gathering so much customers as possible for the firm.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: cheezcarls on December 06, 2022, 12:51:07 PM
It’s just sad reality that you are so loyal to the company but yet you have experienced getting a pay raise. I know how it feels even for home-based virtual assistants. I knew some guys who have been working with certain companies for years but never treated fairly in both relationship and compensation. So they quit and find successful greener pastures.

As employers, they must know how to win with their employees. Instead of letting them feel about working for the boss, they should work “with” the boss. And the employer must set a good example by being a down to earth person, always open minded and willing to help and guide the employee with their problems.

The longest that I have with a company was 2 years and 4 months. I just remained a good relationship with them despite not really getting a pay raise. They treated me very well that time. Because of the “bear” situation and economy is dwindling, they had to make a hard decision to cut me off and I understand. I just wanted to have at least one stable income source, and at least I do.

I’m blessed in many ways because of my numerous side gigs where my services are greatly needed.

 


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Davian144 on December 06, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
Long-term employee retention is not a losing battle if the company knows how the treat people, it's part of the corporate culture, and as long as bureaucracy and policy isn't opposite of these. 

I think this depends on the situation, when the company can make employees comfortable then he can survive, sometimes companies that have gotten big profits but are stingy and do not want to give annual bonuses to employees, and the company is too fast to give discounts if making mistakes and things like this that will be make employees looking for other places.
The first thing an employee should know is the rules of a company before he works in it. Because it would not be very logical and ethical if an employee had to blame the company just because he was not given a bonus at the end of the year.

And if this bonus is not written in the work rules of each employee, then the company has the right not to give bonuses to the employee even though it could be very good if it is indeed given to each employee as a plus or to appreciate their work that has reached the target set by the company.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Quidat on December 06, 2022, 11:04:30 PM
Long-term employee retention is not a losing battle if the company knows how the treat people, it's part of the corporate culture, and as long as bureaucracy and policy isn't opposite of these. 

I think this depends on the situation, when the company can make employees comfortable then he can survive, sometimes companies that have gotten big profits but are stingy and do not want to give annual bonuses to employees, and the company is too fast to give discounts if making mistakes and things like this that will be make employees looking for other places.
The first thing an employee should know is the rules of a company before he works in it. Because it would not be very logical and ethical if an employee had to blame the company just because he was not given a bonus at the end of the year.

And if this bonus is not written in the work rules of each employee, then the company has the right not to give bonuses to the employee even though it could be very good if it is indeed given to each employee as a plus or to appreciate their work that has reached the target set by the company.
Its impossible that you wont really be able to know about those bonuses and other perks as an employee which is really could be known on the time that you sign up with contracts or company agreements.
You would be told whether you would be having that 13th month pay or whatsoever bonuses that a certain company could have.Well, there might be some alterations or change up of decisions
mid-way but as an employee then you dont have the rights on asking or bragging that you should really be recieving those amounts.They are the ones who are
running off a business and they are the ones who would decide whether its worth on giving some plus or not.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: tygeade on December 09, 2022, 06:15:02 AM
Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
As someone who has been working with my boss close to a decade now, I can tell you that it is not, it is definitely not. If you actually pay good money to your workers, and let them do their job the way they can, then you will make a profit and they will make a profit and they will stay.

I do not think that I can do this job for another 50 years, both the technology will evolve beyond that and I will probably be dead, but assuming that I could, I would work the same job for another 50 years, or however long I can, I will NEVER quit this job no matter what happens in my life. I may take a break if I ever get seriously sick, even if I ever get into coma, I would wake up and ask my boss to come back to work. It is all about the boss, if the boss is good, worker will always stay.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Bitcoin1216 on December 09, 2022, 07:04:51 AM
The ease of applying for an online application makes anyone will try new things that are getting a job that suits his dreams, I also often submit applications and sometimes I also follow the next stage such as interviews and so on, sometimes looking for the best is our hope.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on December 11, 2022, 07:39:40 PM
Long-term employee retention is not a losing battle if the company knows how the treat people, it's part of the corporate culture, and as long as bureaucracy and policy isn't opposite of these. 

I think this depends on the situation, when the company can make employees comfortable then he can survive, sometimes companies that have gotten big profits but are stingy and do not want to give annual bonuses to employees, and the company is too fast to give discounts if making mistakes and things like this that will be make employees looking for other places.
The first thing an employee should know is the rules of a company before he works in it. Because it would not be very logical and ethical if an employee had to blame the company just because he was not given a bonus at the end of the year.

And if this bonus is not written in the work rules of each employee, then the company has the right not to give bonuses to the employee even though it could be very good if it is indeed given to each employee as a plus or to appreciate their work that has reached the target set by the company.
Yes, that's right, it will definitely be notified to employees and also stated in the work contract. When employees sign the contract given by the company, it means they fully agree with what is stated, even though they only receive a salary without any additional bonuses from what has been done even though they reach the target or even better than what was targeted. However, there may be flexible companies which of course can be said to be good by giving bonuses even though it is not in their employment contracts. This depends on company policy, of course. But of course the thing that makes an employee comfortable is the company's policy that can be said to improve the welfare of its employees.
I have experience with this, where I once worked in a company that was demanding, but if my job was satisfying they didn't consider it and only saw when the employee made a mistake. Honestly it makes me not at all comfortable.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: blockman on December 11, 2022, 08:07:33 PM
The ease of applying for an online application makes anyone will try new things that are getting a job that suits his dreams, I also often submit applications and sometimes I also follow the next stage such as interviews and so on, sometimes looking for the best is our hope.
It's hard to apply nowadays if you're just on your own, you haven't built connections and networks and this is a problem for those loners. But still, talent and skill beat that.
The situation that everyone got in had put pressure and uncertainty that this world, we don't know what may happen next and if the worst is yet to come. The same for employment we'd really never know if the company where you're staying it might be bankrupt soon or have a %+ YTD.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: teosanru on December 11, 2022, 08:18:49 PM
Reading this article (https://www.worklife.news/talent/is-long-term-employee-retention-a-losing-battle/), I couldn't help but wonder about a lot of things that have gone wrong and is going wrong in companies. Some of these companies are know that employees leaving are a problem and are making efforts to fix it while other who know, ,amy have chosen to ignore it.
Below are some important points highlighted in the article.

According to the report, more than 6.5 million people (20% of the U.K. workforce) are expected to quit their job in the next 12 months, according to estimates from the Charted Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), which published the data in June after surveying more than 6,000 workers. That’s up from 2021, when 16% of the U.K. workforce said they plan to quit within a year, according to the CIPD. Meanwhile, in March Microsoft’s global Work Trend Index found that 52% of Gen Zers and Millennials — the two generations that represent the vast majority of the workforce — were likely to consider changing jobs within the following year.

Data do not lie. If these companies do not want to keep losing this battle they have to start caring about their employees. They have to treat their employees great. In this day and age companies need to start to try to be human and actually care about what their employees care about or at least putting it on the same pedestal with the degree at which the company cares about making profit. We need new generational leaders who are high on emotional intelligence.

What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
I think the traditional thinking of employees has now changed altogether, the employees of today don't want to focus on such petty things such as sticking to a single company, their needs and wants are quite diverse now and only money, stability and reputation are no more the pillars of these wants, companies also have realized this and that is why are not able to satisfy every individual based on his specific wants. Also I feel even companies now have accepted the fact that they will always be able to retain only a few employees out of all so they have made their existing employees extremely flexible with knowledge on diverse things and no more restricted to just one thing that they do so that no employee is irreplaceable.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Pamadar on December 11, 2022, 08:22:58 PM
The ease of applying for an online application makes anyone will try new things that are getting a job that suits his dreams, I also often submit applications and sometimes I also follow the next stage such as interviews and so on, sometimes looking for the best is our hope.
It's hard to apply nowadays if you're just on your own, you haven't built connections and networks and this is a problem for those loners. But still, talent and skill beat that.
The situation that everyone got in had put pressure and uncertainty that this world, we don't know what may happen next and if the worst is yet to come. The same for employment we'd really never know if the company where you're staying it might be bankrupt soon or have a %+ YTD.

It is a risk but it can be worth to take, there are different opinions regarding an online application though taking the risk may change your life since there are many successful stories that you will hear about it.

Same with your opinions regarding to no assurance. Even the company you are into for a
long time can guarantee that they will stay at positive, especially now that the economy is
still in its surviving stage. A case to case and with different outcomes.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Raflesia on December 11, 2022, 08:26:19 PM
The ease of applying for an online application makes anyone will try new things that are getting a job that suits his dreams, I also often submit applications and sometimes I also follow the next stage such as interviews and so on, sometimes looking for the best is our hope.
Indeed, this is something good, but on the other hand, when doing something like that, it means that you are completely ready to leave your job completely, and of course there must be a reason behind it.
When looking for something new, of course, there must be something more that must be obtained, such as excess salary or maybe in terms of distance and a more decent job, but when things like that don't exist, why do we change the old job and switch if the conditions are still the same.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: blockman on December 11, 2022, 09:01:44 PM
The ease of applying for an online application makes anyone will try new things that are getting a job that suits his dreams, I also often submit applications and sometimes I also follow the next stage such as interviews and so on, sometimes looking for the best is our hope.
It's hard to apply nowadays if you're just on your own, you haven't built connections and networks and this is a problem for those loners. But still, talent and skill beat that.
The situation that everyone got in had put pressure and uncertainty that this world, we don't know what may happen next and if the worst is yet to come. The same for employment we'd really never know if the company where you're staying it might be bankrupt soon or have a %+ YTD.

It is a risk but it can be worth to take, there are different opinions regarding an online application though taking the risk may change your life since there are many successful stories that you will hear about it.

Same with your opinions regarding to no assurance. Even the company you are into for a
long time can guarantee that they will stay at positive, especially now that the economy is
still in its surviving stage. A case to case and with different outcomes.
Risk is there no matter what we choose to do. Even in employment, the pandemic just proved that, and the same with those companies that are near where war is happening.
You just can't be sure about anything right now and that's why you have to choose properly if you want to get employed in a company, and you should have no regrets about doing it. Love to work for that company and you're liking the job that you have and that's why you're applying hard.
But still remember that there's no permanent on it whether they call you regular, they can always do a lay off.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Wong Goblog on December 12, 2022, 07:18:28 AM
To become a company that can survive and more advanced, it is needed loyal employees, but temptations with a better salary will certainly make employees feel like going out soon, this is the importance that the company must always follow the latest salary development so that it can provide salaries that make employees survive.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Pamadar on December 12, 2022, 08:44:50 AM

Risk is there no matter what we choose to do. Even in employment, the pandemic just proved that, and the same with those companies that are near where war is happening.

Indeed, risk is everywhere and we really can't assume the secureness of our job and any business around.

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You just can't be sure about anything right now and that's why you have to choose properly if you want to get employed in a company, and you should have no regrets about doing it.

Good decision making for sure will allow you to survive, with good judegment you'll be picking the right one that's fits to your needs.

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Love to work for that company and you're liking the job that you have and that's why you're applying hard.

You said it right. Your desire and intensions to land that dream job.

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But still remember that there's no permanent on it whether they call you regular, they can always do a lay off.

That's reality which we cannot deny, even how hard you do the chance of being lay off can happen to you.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: blockman on December 12, 2022, 08:26:46 PM
Risk is there no matter what we choose to do. Even in employment, the pandemic just proved that, and the same with those companies that are near where war is happening.
Indeed, risk is everywhere and we really can't assume the secureness of our job and any business around.
Yeah, before we believe the term job security but then the pandemic has happened and we're no longer secured with it even if you've been working for them for years.

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You just can't be sure about anything right now and that's why you have to choose properly if you want to get employed in a company, and you should have no regrets about doing it.
Good decision making for sure will allow you to survive, with good judegment you'll be picking the right one that's fits to your needs.
You have to choose what's best for you but we're in no position that we can have everything that we want. So, at least in picking a career or job, you're about to do, make sure that you like working there and did some research on how's the working environment going onto that choice.

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But still remember that there's no permanent on it whether they call you regular, they can always do a lay off.

That's reality which we cannot deny, even how hard you do the chance of being lay off can happen to you.
Yeah, so always have a back up plan because you'll never know if your company is next to have a massive layoff.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Lambe Ndumble on December 13, 2022, 01:50:15 AM
Most companies do not care about the fate of employees, they feel they can replace employees at any time because there is a recruitment section, this is only good at the beginning because if it is often repeated then there is a mistake that the company does not want to hear what the works want.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Fara Chan on December 13, 2022, 04:19:18 AM
Indeed, risk is everywhere and we really can't assume the secureness of our job and any business around.
All the work that we do must have a risk, because currently there is no job that does not contain risks. The worker's job is to minimize, not avoid, this is something that is difficult for people to do, because there are no targets and timeframes for work.

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Good decision making for sure will allow you to survive, with good judegment you'll be picking the right one that's fits to your needs.
Life must have a target that must be achieved, because we will not always work with other parties, moreover there is no guarantee of survival when the prospects for the work we do do not develop.

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That's reality which we cannot deny, even how hard you do the chance of being lay off can happen to you.
This is a certainty, whether we experience layoffs or retirement, then what targets should we achieve after this happens, we must set standards at work and must have options when things that are not desirable happen.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Lubang Bawah on December 13, 2022, 05:55:26 AM
Apart from conducting a survey about whether or not an employee leaves, there must be an additional reason why they want to leave the company they currently occupy because in my opinion this is one thing that really has a connection between one and the other.
We can't say they lost or not because in this case we still don't know the reasons that really made them want to leave.
If indeed the reason they left makes sense, such as problems that often occur in compensation or wages that don't match then indeed we also can't blame the employees who want to leave but when the reasons they do for leaving are things that don't really make sense then maybe I will say they failed at this.


Employees we survey why they leave the company are usually dishonest in giving reasons, they will answer non -technical things such as wanting to work near home, feel uncomfortable with the environment and so on, a good company actually has a system to reduce the volume of employees who go out and enter So that the company's long -term goals can be easily realized and certainly make the company's culture better.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: BigBos on December 13, 2022, 10:41:40 AM
The ease of applying for an online application makes anyone will try new things that are getting a job that suits his dreams, I also often submit applications and sometimes I also follow the next stage such as interviews and so on, sometimes looking for the best is our hope.
Indeed, this is something good, but on the other hand, when doing something like that, it means that you are completely ready to leave your job completely, and of course there must be a reason behind it.
When looking for something new, of course, there must be something more that must be obtained, such as excess salary or maybe in terms of distance and a more decent job, but when things like that don't exist, why do we change the old job and switch if the conditions are still the same.
That's right why do you want to move to a new workplace if you don't get anything more positive from your previous job, maybe you want to add new insights with a new profession to mine value about your skills, that's not bad, but if in the same job and your same position is just a waste of time.
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Most companies do not care about the fate of employees, they feel they can replace employees at any time because there is a recruitment section, this is only good at the beginning because if it is often repeated then there is a mistake that the company does not want to hear what the works want.
Carrying out recruitment too often will be dangerous for the company, this is not as easy as it is said because it will affect the stability of the company, of course, there are always pros and cons between employees and workers at a certain time but that includes the company's progress so that the company does not lose and the employees are not harmed either.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Raflesia on December 13, 2022, 09:42:16 PM
The ease of applying for an online application makes anyone will try new things that are getting a job that suits his dreams, I also often submit applications and sometimes I also follow the next stage such as interviews and so on, sometimes looking for the best is our hope.
Indeed, this is something good, but on the other hand, when doing something like that, it means that you are completely ready to leave your job completely, and of course there must be a reason behind it.
When looking for something new, of course, there must be something more that must be obtained, such as excess salary or maybe in terms of distance and a more decent job, but when things like that don't exist, why do we change the old job and switch if the conditions are still the same.
That's right why do you want to move to a new workplace if you don't get anything more positive from your previous job, maybe you want to add new insights with a new profession to mine value about your skills, that's not bad, but if in the same job and your same position is just a waste of time.
Maybe this could be true when talking about insight and experience, but of course with new things we have to be prepared to readjust there to conditions where everything is new and in my opinion it's not worth it if there are no other benefits there.
On the other hand, maybe for people who like challenges, this is quite challenging, but for me, as long as I still benefit from my previous job and there is still no better job, I will stay at my old job, rather than looking for new hopes, which may not necessarily be good either. .


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Oilacris on December 13, 2022, 10:17:48 PM
The ease of applying for an online application makes anyone will try new things that are getting a job that suits his dreams, I also often submit applications and sometimes I also follow the next stage such as interviews and so on, sometimes looking for the best is our hope.
Indeed, this is something good, but on the other hand, when doing something like that, it means that you are completely ready to leave your job completely, and of course there must be a reason behind it.
When looking for something new, of course, there must be something more that must be obtained, such as excess salary or maybe in terms of distance and a more decent job, but when things like that don't exist, why do we change the old job and switch if the conditions are still the same.
That's right why do you want to move to a new workplace if you don't get anything more positive from your previous job, maybe you want to add new insights with a new profession to mine value about your skills, that's not bad, but if in the same job and your same position is just a waste of time.
Maybe this could be true when talking about insight and experience, but of course with new things we have to be prepared to readjust there to conditions where everything is new and in my opinion it's not worth it if there are no other benefits there.
On the other hand, maybe for people who like challenges, this is quite challenging, but for me, as long as I still benefit from my previous job and there is still no better job, I will stay at my old job, rather than looking for new hopes, which may not necessarily be good either. .
This is why its not really that something ideal nor worth if you do leave your job just because you dont like it or tending to look for job which does have better pay and something which is really in your

interest.People do really have these common reasons on why they do leave out their job because of these things.Although some would really be preferring on having a business than sticking yourself

on an 8-5 job but there are instances most of the time which there's no much more wiser choice but rather sticking into your current job
which do really make you survive on day to day living.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: tabas on December 13, 2022, 11:12:05 PM
Employees we survey why they leave the company are usually dishonest in giving reasons, they will answer non -technical things such as wanting to work near home, feel uncomfortable with the environment and so on, a good company actually has a system to reduce the volume of employees who go out and enter So that the company's long -term goals can be easily realized and certainly make the company's culture better.
I think with the answer about being uncomfortable with the environment is a genuine answer. One wouldn't leave if they're liking the working environment and surroundings that they've got inside the company. On these times, it's important to skill up or you'll be replaced by someone better if you're underperforming. Another thing to worry about this long term employee absorption is with the AI. Yeah, sure it's still a long way to go with AIs but that's a big worry for most employees when a company starts to have those tasks can be done by an AI.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: BigBos on December 14, 2022, 01:01:40 PM
This is why its not really that something ideal nor worth if you do leave your job just because you dont like it or tending to look for job which does have better pay and something which is really in your
interest.People do really have these common reasons on why they do leave out their job because of these things.Although some would really be preferring on having a business than sticking yourself

on an 8-5 job but there are instances most of the time which there's no much more wiser choice but rather sticking into your current job
which do really make you survive on day to day living.
Talking about ideally why leave a job and keep working, in my opinion, this depends on a person's situation and condition in living his life, staying working in a company is usually done by people who already have children or already have a family so what they need is that there will always be requests, and that's what cause someone does not want to leave his job to look for a new one because it takes quite a long time.
However, if you are a young person who is agile and still lacks experience, it is highly recommended to increase your experience in the world of work, it is also useful to add skills and be useful for the workplace you like or for your business someday.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Raflesia on December 14, 2022, 08:45:00 PM
Maybe this could be true when talking about insight and experience, but of course with new things we have to be prepared to readjust there to conditions where everything is new and in my opinion it's not worth it if there are no other benefits there.
On the other hand, maybe for people who like challenges, this is quite challenging, but for me, as long as I still benefit from my previous job and there is still no better job, I will stay at my old job, rather than looking for new hopes, which may not necessarily be good either. .
This is why its not really that something ideal nor worth if you do leave your job just because you dont like it or tending to look for job which does have better pay and something which is really in your

interest.People do really have these common reasons on why they do leave out their job because of these things.Although some would really be preferring on having a business than sticking yourself

on an 8-5 job but there are instances most of the time which there's no much more wiser choice but rather sticking into your current job
which do really make you survive on day to day living.
Precisely sometimes for general reasons that make them indecisive. They want to try something new, it's good like doing business or something and I like people like that, but on the other hand, we also know that everyone sometimes has their own qualifications and not necessarily follow other people with general reasons that can make them success too.
Even though the effort in trying to live a better life is good, on the other hand we also have to look at the worst possibility.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Leviathan.007 on December 14, 2022, 09:27:03 PM
Some companies do well in terms of taking care of their employees but some other companies really need to just improve, create a good working environment for the employees and provide incentives to keep them encouraged. The general mindset some people have while working for a company where they don't treat their employees well is to just gather enough money to go set up a business for themselves. Even with the current economy some people have calculated that setting up a business will be more beneficial seeing that these companies they've been working for a long time have refused reviewing their salary even with the rising cost of living, that is bad.

You are maybe right, but I think that depends on the situation of the countries ad the companies in that country. For example, some companies prefer to do not to focus on employee retention and they prefer to have a short-term employee instead of thinking about retention because they leave a long-term employee will have routine jobs and will lose hope for working and this will decrease the result they can get, in the other hand, some other companies will try to improve the employees and invest on them because they can trust the employees for a long term run.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Fatunad on December 14, 2022, 09:33:48 PM
Some companies do well in terms of taking care of their employees but some other companies really need to just improve, create a good working environment for the employees and provide incentives to keep them encouraged. The general mindset some people have while working for a company where they don't treat their employees well is to just gather enough money to go set up a business for themselves. Even with the current economy some people have calculated that setting up a business will be more beneficial seeing that these companies they've been working for a long time have refused reviewing their salary even with the rising cost of living, that is bad.

You are maybe right, but I think that depends on the situation of the countries ad the companies in that country. For example, some companies prefer to do not to focus on employee retention and they prefer to have a short-term employee instead of thinking about retention because they leave a long-term employee will have routine jobs and will lose hope for working and this will decrease the result they can get, in the other hand, some other companies will try to improve the employees and invest on them because they can trust the employees for a long term run.
Productivity wont decrease if the company knows on how to compensate out their hardwork, not on increasing their salaries directly but making up some incentives or bonuses in the end of the year or something like that, it is really just that not a right minding of things which doesnt really happen most of the time but its actually that right or considerable act as a business owner to have this kind of consideration at least, but well
we do know that not all of them would be sharing up with that kind of considerations in whether they would be letting their workers to stay up long in contract or would really be just good for short term.
Its up into their own discretion on how they would be handling out things.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Wong Goblog on December 15, 2022, 01:40:59 AM
I work in a company that is managed by the third descendant of its founder, the good thing that I found is the number of employees who have been senior and some even work more than 30 years, when I ask their reasons because the company makes it easy in many ways such as debt, home loans, Vacation with family at the end of the year and so on.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: fadhilz123 on December 15, 2022, 02:40:07 AM
I work in a company that is managed by the third descendant of its founder, the good thing that I found is the number of employees who have been senior and some even work more than 30 years, when I ask their reasons because the company makes it easy in many ways such as debt, home loans, Vacation with family at the end of the year and so on.
This means that those who are senior and still remain in the company are because of the services provided by the company to them. Because maybe they can't get things like that at other companies so they don't want to leave the company to enter another company at this time. Apart from that, the pressure exerted by the company may also be lighter so that employees still have time to take care of their own families after returning from their workplace.

Then what about you yourself who also entered the company? Did you get into the company because you were motivated by similar things like what you said?
Because for me it is very logical for those who are already employees there to keep going until whenever or as long as they are still very profitable for themselves and the company.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Strongkored on December 15, 2022, 04:31:18 AM
What do you think? Are companies losing the battle for long term employee retention?
Companies that never reward their employees with decent salaries will always lose the battle with their employees because employees will choose to find a company that can appreciate them, especially if the employees are skill workers and live in countries where job opportunities are always wide open, but for developing countries or poor countries you will see employees will stay in the company even with long working hours and also not decent salaries because finding a new job is not easy in such countries.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: irhact on December 15, 2022, 05:20:00 AM
To become a company that can survive and more advanced, it is needed loyal employees, but temptations with a better salary will certainly make employees feel like going out soon, this is the importance that the company must always follow the latest salary development so that it can provide salaries that make employees survive.
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Also a good working environment, most companion don't have good working environment to promote growth and friendly competition between the employees, they make it seems like some is been favored over the others instead of making everyone feel welcome and guarantee them of a promotion based ont the work they put in.

Many employees that quit don't only quit because of the salary as some get decent salary but they have other reasons like a workplace isn't been production them. If companies what to solve this problem them they have to be ready to reevaluate their work space to make sure their employees are happy working for them.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Ani1985 on December 16, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Actually employees can receive salaries from the company, even if the salary he receives is lower than the others, which makes people move to work usually due to work environment factors that are already uncomfortable, for example companies put pressure so that employees are better resigns.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: jaberwock on December 16, 2022, 01:22:54 PM
Actually employees can receive salaries from the company, even if the salary he receives is lower than the others, which makes people move to work usually due to work environment factors that are already uncomfortable, for example companies put pressure so that employees are better resigns.
Salary rates from a company are based on the positions. Obviously high positions like managers can earn more while a common contractual workers can only earn less. Given that they are only contractual, its normal for them be removed by a company after some months no matter what are their performances are. For those who are regular already.

I think the only way for them to get remove is if they done something bad but they can do something like ask their boss to cut their salaries only to remain on their positions because looking for a job right now is also tough. If we are being pressured by our boss then maybe the pay rates that we are getting are also high enough. They have the rights of doing that but quitting isn't the only solution for this.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Wong Gendheng on December 16, 2022, 01:34:13 PM
I think the biggest factor that makes it easy for employees to change workplaces is the ease of finding and submitting applications, now many job providers are making it easier for prospective employees, and I also often submit applications in the place that I like, and when there is an opportunity or a test and call of test and call Interview certainly asks permission.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: hyudien on December 18, 2022, 01:02:17 PM
Actually employees can receive salaries from the company, even if the salary he receives is lower than the others, which makes people move to work usually due to work environment factors that are already uncomfortable, for example companies put pressure so that employees are better resigns.
I think the amount of salary that can be a factor for employees to stay in the company. We don't need to be hypocritical that the amount of money is the main thing that is always looked at, without ruling out that comfort in the workplace is also very important. But let's be realistic, how many people who change jobs that pay them below the salary of their previous company? I don't think there will be many people like that.
It's different when the boss pressures his employees to resign, because in my opinion, self-esteem is also worth maintaining. That's not to say the employee can't stand the pressure, but again that's a different matter.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: bitzizzix on December 18, 2022, 01:41:33 PM
why employees leave the company, and in general or mostly it seems to me, is.
Inadequate salary and benefits.
No career growth.
Too burdensome for employees.
Unfriendly work environment.
Boredom and unsupported feelings.
Unhappiness.
Every day is a peak work day.
There is no work life balance.
No rest and free time to regain your energy.
Dissatisfaction with a dynamically changing corporate culture.
Lack of flexibility to learn and understand new roles in organizations or companies under different roles.
Bad manager.
Bad culture.
Lack of engagement.
A more politicized workplace.
Bad company reputation in the market.
and maybe there are many more reasons employees choose to leave the company, including maybe because they get a better job than before.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Inwestour on December 18, 2022, 02:04:45 PM

I think the amount of salary that can be a factor for employees to stay in the company. We don't need to be hypocritical that the amount of money is the main thing that is always looked at, without ruling out that comfort in the workplace is also very important. But let's be realistic, how many people who change jobs that pay them below the salary of their previous company? I don't think there will be many people like that.
It's different when the boss pressures his employees to resign, because in my opinion, self-esteem is also worth maintaining. That's not to say the employee can't stand the pressure, but again that's a different matter.
I had a case when I changed my job to a more comfortable one for me, while my salary at the beginning was less, but after a year I was getting more than at my previous job. Comfort is very important to me, I often see how people do what they don't like and endure it for years, because they are afraid that they won't find a better job. Fears very often prevent us from growing, but you need to be bolder, it’s better to try and know that you did everything in your power than to do what you don’t like.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: CageMabok on December 18, 2022, 02:21:26 PM
I think the biggest factor that makes it easy for employees to change workplaces is the ease of finding and submitting applications, now many job providers are making it easier for prospective employees, and I also often submit applications in the place that I like, and when there is an opportunity or a test and call of test and call Interview certainly asks permission.
Easy to apply does not mean it can be just as easy when working. You yourself only went through an easy application process, but you didn't tell how easy and difficult it was to work after being accepted by the company.

Now it is very easy for companies to create job advertisements because the company is in need of new employees, but not many companies include the mechanism for working in their place in the advertisements they make. And their (company) goal of not including this is to be able to attract the interest of many people to apply there.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Cling18 on December 18, 2022, 02:38:56 PM
I think the biggest factor that makes it easy for employees to change workplaces is the ease of finding and submitting applications, now many job providers are making it easier for prospective employees, and I also often submit applications in the place that I like, and when there is an opportunity or a test and call of test and call Interview certainly asks permission.
Easy to apply does not mean it can be just as easy when working. You only went through an easy application process, but you didn't tell me how easy and difficult it was to work after being accepted by the company.

Now it is very easy for companies to create job advertisements because the company needs new employees, but not many companies include the mechanism for working in their place in the advertisements they make. And their (company) goal of not including this is to be able to attract the interest of many people to apply there.

Employees could stay loyal if they will feel valued and if they're getting enough benefits that they deserve. We can't question the employees who leave because they still have the right to look for better opportunities that will match their skills. The company would have adjustments if they lost skilled employees but that's part of the business. Employees always seek comfort not just in salary but also in a working environment so the company should assure that their employees are safe and secured if they want to keep them.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Lubang Bawah on December 19, 2022, 08:06:55 AM
The presence of many job seeker applications at this time makes anyone tempted to send applications, moreover to send an application it only takes a few moments then wait for the call for an interview, even during covid there was an application that immediately gave tests in stages to online interviews and if you pass, of course you just have to sign employment contract.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: panganib999 on December 19, 2022, 11:33:00 PM
They are losing the proverbial battle because they do not  want to play the game they started with the employees. They do not want employees to go and yet they continue their malpractices like it's a regular old Tuesday for them. Even the simple case of increasing their salaries to livable levels is already apparently a herculean task for them, how could you expect these companies to actually solve the bigger and more pressing issues about employment? Altogether, this is a losing battle for them, and now that the pandemic opened the people's eyes to just how much opportunities there are beyond the regular 9-5, they'll realize they don't have that much power over the people anymore.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Quidat on December 19, 2022, 11:56:18 PM
I think the biggest factor that makes it easy for employees to change workplaces is the ease of finding and submitting applications, now many job providers are making it easier for prospective employees, and I also often submit applications in the place that I like, and when there is an opportunity or a test and call of test and call Interview certainly asks permission.
Easy to apply does not mean it can be just as easy when working. You only went through an easy application process, but you didn't tell me how easy and difficult it was to work after being accepted by the company.

Now it is very easy for companies to create job advertisements because the company needs new employees, but not many companies include the mechanism for working in their place in the advertisements they make. And their (company) goal of not including this is to be able to attract the interest of many people to apply there.

Employees could stay loyal if they will feel valued and if they're getting enough benefits that they deserve. We can't question the employees who leave because they still have the right to look for better opportunities that will match their skills. The company would have adjustments if they lost skilled employees but that's part of the business. Employees always seek comfort not just in salary but also in a working environment so the company should assure that their employees are safe and secured if they want to keep them.
Yeah, there are several factors which would really affect for those employees whether to stay or not on a particular company.I've seen that there are ones who are well paid but still eventually ending up
on having those resignation just because they're getting stressed out on the working environment which is something  that that couldnt really bare out and ending up on leaving the job and find
for another place which they would really be seeing for it to be comfortable for them. Yes, its up to companies actions whether they would be offering something just to stop their skilled and
good employees or just simply trying out to patch up if ever they would be leaving out the company, as simple as that.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: blockman on December 19, 2022, 11:59:05 PM
Employees could stay loyal if they will feel valued and if they're getting enough benefits that they deserve. We can't question the employees who leave because they still have the right to look for better opportunities that will match their skills. The company would have adjustments if they lost skilled employees but that's part of the business. Employees always seek comfort not just in salary but also in a working environment so the company should assure that their employees are safe and secured if they want to keep them.
Those that leave have many reasons and for sure a lot of it is because of the environment, it could be toxic, or inappropriate or they have a colleague that they don't like that keeps acting like a boss. That's normal in an office setup and that's why those that are leaving are finding their peace and happiness through another company that they think will settle for good. That's why there's always imbalance, someone who has a high salary but just enduring the toxic environment and doesn't really love the job he has and the opposite for those low wages but are staying because of less toxicity.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: iamsange on December 21, 2022, 02:05:04 AM
The presence of many job seeker applications at this time makes anyone tempted to send applications, moreover to send an application it only takes a few moments then wait for the call for an interview, even during covid there was an application that immediately gave tests in stages to online interviews and if you pass, of course you just have to sign employment contract.
The purpose of making an online application application is to make it easier for corporate agencies to collect documents from each applicant and also for their convenience from those who apply without having to come to the office to submit a job application. In fact, this is indeed a natural thing to implement because considering that currently in certain countries there are still very many unemployed people who are looking for work, so the company made the application to make it easier to check and verify applicant data in full.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Pamadar on December 21, 2022, 10:28:32 AM
The presence of many job seeker applications at this time makes anyone tempted to send applications, moreover to send an application it only takes a few moments then wait for the call for an interview, even during covid there was an application that immediately gave tests in stages to online interviews and if you pass, of course you just have to sign employment contract.
The purpose of making an online application application is to make it easier for corporate agencies to collect documents from each applicant and also for their convenience from those who apply without having to come to the office to submit a job application. In fact, this is indeed a natural thing to implement because considering that currently in certain countries there are still very many unemployed people who are looking for work, so the company made the application to make it easier to check and verify applicant data in full.

A good way to sort those capable and fit to what the company is looking, online submission or application gives the applicant a good chance
to land a job without travelling and spending more.

If luck permits and the company is also good with online interviews, that again is additional perks
that will lessen the expenses of the applicant. Most of the time employers are after to those who
can fill the position who are really eager to work and learn for them.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: bakasabo on December 21, 2022, 10:43:07 AM
If I was an employer and I would have to select one of employees that apply, I would take a person whos long term working experience in one company in his record of service, instead of a person that has changed 8 jobs in a single year, plus he probably has something unofficial. I value loyalty more, compared to how huge professional other employee is. I see no point in teaching, giving experience to a person, that tends to change jobs often. There are persons that aim on a result, try to build a career. You cant hold them forever with bonuses, high salary, free coffee and etc.

But in general a lot depends from a person. I know a guy, who works in a company since it was created (for 20+ years), his boss treats him and everybody like crap, he is in a bad relations with the boss, many people have left that company, that guy can also quit, but he keeps working there.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Lubang Bawah on December 22, 2022, 10:51:57 AM
Currently I am still working in the office, and this is my third place after I graduated about 6 years ago, I have worked in a place now about 4 years and things that make me survive because now looking for work is very difficult, besides that there are many places in this place Things I can get because the company does the maximum thing to maintain its employees, small things are they give gifts on birthdays, and often eat together so as to make a like family.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: tygeade on December 23, 2022, 05:31:18 AM
If I was an employer and I would have to select one of employees that apply, I would take a person whos long term working experience in one company in his record of service, instead of a person that has changed 8 jobs in a single year, plus he probably has something unofficial. I value loyalty more, compared to how huge professional other employee is. I see no point in teaching, giving experience to a person, that tends to change jobs often. There are persons that aim on a result, try to build a career. You cant hold them forever with bonuses, high salary, free coffee and etc.

But in general a lot depends from a person. I know a guy, who works in a company since it was created (for 20+ years), his boss treats him and everybody like crap, he is in a bad relations with the boss, many people have left that company, that guy can also quit, but he keeps working there.
This is a wrong approach, and could be the worst one that I have seen in a long time. It is not the amount of jobs a person had, but the quality of the job they do which an employer should care about, because if you can find that one worker which could do what is asked, and do it perfectly, and even take incentive to do a better job than being asked, provide higher quality results than expected, then you do everything in your power to keep that person.

The reality is that most work places offer everyone the same amount of money, and offer a promotion as a promise, and people leave because of that, if I am 10x good and someone is 1x good and we get paid the same amount of money but I have a higher chance to promote, that's not good enough. I changed 7 jobs in 4 years before I found my latest job, been with the same boss for 6 years now. Shows you how it matters to reward the worker who works hard.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Pamadar on December 23, 2022, 06:47:10 AM
Currently I am still working in the office, and this is my third place after I graduated about 6 years ago, I have worked in a place now about 4 years and things that make me survive because now looking for work is very difficult, besides that there are many places in this place Things I can get because the company does the maximum thing to maintain its employees, small things are they give gifts on birthdays, and often eat together so as to make a like family.

If you have that knd of attachment and you are happy with the company then better to stay though there are many other opportunities and you may find something that will give better compensation.

But as lng as you are happy and you feel the comfort with your employer and your co-workers maybe being
satisfied is a good way if you are not willing to take the gamble in finding new place to work.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Findingnemo on December 24, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
If we look from perspective of an employer they gain from resignation of a senior employee than losing for example if someone is working for years then probably they have to be paid higher so in case if the employee resign the employer can hire 2 freshers for the salary given for one senior employee which means more productive and more profits. I had seen lots of people complaining about their boss and company and keep telling they are going to quit soon but in reality they never did.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: molsewid on December 24, 2022, 06:05:52 PM
If we look from perspective of an employer they gain from resignation of a senior employee than losing for example if someone is working for years then probably they have to be paid higher so in case if the employee resign the employer can hire 2 freshers for the salary given for one senior employee which means more productive and more profits. I had seen lots of people complaining about their boss and company and keep telling they are going to quit soon but in reality they never did.
Yes, correct. I started to understand this thing when I worked with a big company now. It really doesn't matter if a senior level will resign it only matters to their teammate but for the higher ups, it could be another way for them to save a little since they will hire newbies or entry level candidates that can give lowball offer and can do the same job as the senior as time passes by. This will only affects to small company not for bigger ones.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: virasisog on December 24, 2022, 06:26:27 PM
If we look from perspective of an employer they gain from resignation of a senior employee than losing for example if someone is working for years then probably they have to be paid higher so in case if the employee resign the employer can hire 2 freshers for the salary given for one senior employee which means more productive and more profits. I had seen lots of people complaining about their boss and company and keep telling they are going to quit soon but in reality they never did.
Yes, correct. I started to understand this thing when I worked with a big company now. It really doesn't matter if a senior level will resign it only matters to their teammate but for the higher ups, it could be another way for them to save a little since they will hire newbies or entry level candidates that can give lowball offer and can do the same job as the senior as time passes by. This will only affects to small company not bigger ones.
Big companies believe that employees come and go so regardless of their seniority, they could automatically look for replacements just to continue their operation with the needed manpower. They are always ready for resignations, unlike small companies, as much as possible. They value their employees a lot because they are still the foundation and the body of the company. The attachment could only be between employees and other employees.


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: xSkylarx on December 24, 2022, 06:48:59 PM
If we look from perspective of an employer they gain from resignation of a senior employee than losing for example if someone is working for years then probably they have to be paid higher so in case if the employee resign the employer can hire 2 freshers for the salary given for one senior employee which means more productive and more profits. I had seen lots of people complaining about their boss and company and keep telling they are going to quit soon but in reality they never did.
Yes, correct. I started to understand this thing when I worked with a big company now. It really doesn't matter if a senior level will resign it only matters to their teammate but for the higher ups, it could be another way for them to save a little since they will hire newbies or entry level candidates that can give lowball offer and can do the same job as the senior as time passes by. This will only affects to small company not bigger ones.
Big companies believe that employees come and go so regardless of their seniority, they could automatically look for replacements just to continue their operation with the needed manpower. They are always ready for resignations, unlike small companies, as much as possible. They value their employees a lot because they are still the foundation and the body of the company. The attachment could only be between employees and other employees.

Companies are ready for resignation if the employee has no big impact on the company like the employee has just doing the task that can be done by othe employee. I dont know but this kind of thing is offensive to me and i tend to do an payback on them by making the employed trust me and in the end left them hanging. I know it is bad but when i see that they usually threat other employees bad then that is the time i do my revenge by  leaving them hanging so that they will realize the importance of employees to them


Title: Re: Is long-term employee retention a losing battle?
Post by: Casdinyard on December 24, 2022, 10:36:35 PM
If I was an employer and I would have to select one of employees that apply, I would take a person whos long term working experience in one company in his record of service, instead of a person that has changed 8 jobs in a single year, plus he probably has something unofficial. I value loyalty more, compared to how huge professional other employee is. I see no point in teaching, giving experience to a person, that tends to change jobs often. There are persons that aim on a result, try to build a career. You cant hold them forever with bonuses, high salary, free coffee and etc.

But in general a lot depends from a person. I know a guy, who works in a company since it was created (for 20+ years), his boss treats him and everybody like crap, he is in a bad relations with the boss, many people have left that company, that guy can also quit, but he keeps working there.
That line of thinking only ever works for small businesses in dire need of loyal workers who could easily be manipulated by the notion that your workplace is your second home and everyone in it is your family. People nowadays are smart enough to understamd how controlling this logic is and most modern companies with established names will not care about how many times an employee has switched companies as long as he has the expertise and the dedication to go to work to boot. Loyalty will only ever value the employer in this game between employer vs. employee. Before you question your employee's loyalty, make sure you give them something to be loyal for. Like maybe enough pay to make sure they don't starve to death after paying their utilities.