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With all the ruckus in the market made by FTX. There have been some good news in the past few days that we haven't noticed and this is what the title is all about. Let's take it first about bitcoin mining, so for those that have been thinking if Shell is going to mine bitcoin. I've read a few articles about it and I've been also jebaited by those headlines. What these articles are talking about is, Shell is going to help bitcoin miners with their cooling system from the technology that they have and through their coolants/lubricants. So, it's like they're going to enter the market indirectly through those data centers that might need their cooling systems.

Lastly, Shell had a 2-year deal with Bitcoin magazine and will sponsor the 2023-2024 BTC conferences. It's a great deal honestly, knowing that Shell is an oil giant so, this is like two birds in one stone for the whole bitcoin community.

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where I've read this news: Oil Giant Shell Makes Move Into Bitcoin Mining Industry – Here’s What You Need to Know (https://cryptonews.com/news/oil-giant-shell-makes-move-into-bitcoin-mining-industry-heres-what-you-need-know.htm)
Photo & article: Shell oil company will bring solutions for Bitcoin mining (https://en.cryptonomist.ch/2022/11/11/shell-bitcoin-mining-solutions/)

This will be a furthermore steps to ease the challenges with miners when mining bitcoin if only the energy company could remain ever commited to implementing this, i saw something related of recent whereby the United States oil and energy giant ExxonMobil trying to use waste energies from petroleum refineries in mining bitcoin in some of it stationed location across the world to help bitcoin mining using renewable energy source, in this case with shell, they can extend their limit beyond just conference but also laying a foundation of something permanent to serve as solution to the challenges miners have.

Well it is an obvious step, since a large portion of energy prices are actually caused by delivering the energy to your location. If you are a energy company and can simply mine bitcoin at the place where the energy is created, you have an unbeatable advantage above everyone else since the price for transportation and all the power lines etc. will not be paid.
Still only future will tell if this is more then marketing for shell.

This is great news for Bitcoin but probably terrible news for at home miners. I don’t think anyone will be able to compete with companies like Shell, Exxon, etc. They have access to energy at prices we could only dream of and will likely pressure Bitcoin mining operations in places with cheap power and older equipment. I think we might be seeing the final evolution stage of Bitcoin mining.

For people who are home miners like many of us in this forum there will always be GPU mining available to us and every crypto we mine we can always convert back to Bitcoin.We should see the overall good in this move that a giant like Shell wants to enter the Bitcoin mining game and that surely is only positive news for Bitcoin in the long run.In fact I would have loved for Shell to have entered this game exactly more than 1 year ago when Musk said he was not anymore accepting Bitcoin for his Tesla cars because the Bitcoin mining pollutes the environment,that would have been a perfect moment in total contrast with what Musk said.

We should be more interested in talking about good new like this, rather than centralized ponzi schemes going bust, run by scammers. Bitcoin (not crypto) is going mainstream & there’s nothing anybody can do to stop it.
Get on the right side of the new world order & buy as much bitcoin as you can. We are the new wealthy elite.

Shell, and companies like it will likely dominate much of the share or miners using their energy. However, it'll likely push home miners into green energy which could at least help with the PR side of things. Obviously, green energy comes at a price, though so most miners would likely get priced out.

It's probably a good thing in terms of price increase, but could mean more centralised in terms of who Bitcoin mining is accessible by. Although, that's been a trend for a while. Bitcoin mining has become less, and less accessible as time comes on.

This is where home miners are heading to, employ green energy source such as solar panels to compete with big companies.
The initial price tag may be expensive but it will be used in the long run and they can easily get the ROI for this investment.
And with such news, it is showing that big companies are believing on this market and are willing to take a dip on this industry.
As known companies are still getting into this market, many ordinary people will restore their faith on this market. as some are losing already just like what we are currently experiencing owed to the big crypto-exchange, FTX's failure.

definitely, good news while everything is going with FTX and Binance these days.
Bitcoin and the crypto industry now getting some recognition among common people, after crypto.com sponsoring the world cup and now shell oil companies sponsoring crypto magazine.

Shell and other energy companies are getting into everything these days that involves energy. They know that with the amount of regulations coming up for gas & oil it's adapt or die. They are NOT run by idiots, and they have the massive budgets that they can come into any industry and dominate. There has been talk that with Shell (yet again) coming into the electric car charging market that they may crush a lot of the smaller players. Not even to be evil, just because they have such a massive machine they can just come in and take over.


Bit OT but to show how these big players can do what they want. There was a company called KeySpan here in NY, they were a natural gas utility. Since they had the 'right of way' to do a lot of things they also where they could ran high speed data fiber. When looking at costs for dark fiber, they were always the cheapest by far. Just because of their size at the time. The fiber side was sold off to another company and the gas side was also sold, but for a while they were on top.

Shell, can do the same to any market they want to get into, but unlike KeySpan, are probably never going to be acquired or sell off parts of their business.

-Dave

This is pure business. Now specific coolants/lubricants from Shell is a way to have their business on cryptocurrency sector. Sponsoring the Bitcoin conferences makes its solid presence into bitcoin. The magazine gives a business connect and slowly the involvement will widen. Being a giant in the oil industry will surely try to capitalise at the right time.

In recent days the energy companies participation into cryptocurrency related activities have increased. Shell have reached late to the party. Many oil companies have called crypto miners to create mining infrastructure close to the plants with which it is possible to support mining out of the excess oil.

I didn't expect this news and I'm not sure if I like it. Certainly it shows that bitcoin is becoming more and more accepted in society, but is it a good thing when a company like Shell starts mining? Ultimately, it will certainly mean that only large companies will continue to operate Bitcoin mining, because it will only be worthwhile for these companies in the future and most small, private miners will be pushed out. That's why I'm a bit skeptical. Let's see if I think differently about it tomorrow.  ;)

What's good with this is that it is Shell. Talking about resources and that matter, they've got a huge resource that can really be useful for most miners and help them with what they're offering. But hopefully, this is going to help also the small time miners and it's not just only limited to mining farms with huge facilities.

Well, that's what I thought at first when I've read those headlines but it's not Shell that's going to mine. They will only offer the solutions and technology they have for maintaining a better operations for these mining facilities. But who knows if they'll have their own bitcoin mining facilities and I guess that's better since they can really do it on their own.

Somehow, a good news will always have the other side of it. But looking at the brighter side, this is just starting and we can all have that conclusion that this is a huge company that's put interest to give some help to the huge miners. Well, eventually there could be some changes like them starting to put their footsteps into actual mining.

Too much negativities these days and that's why some news like this would really give some positive vibes. This is what we want, more adoption coming from huge enterprises and bigger names in the actual industry.

That's Bitcoin Magazine. It's true that because of the most negative news that we're seeing and even crypto.com has been on the hot seat because of some FUD or rumors about them. That's how who make those news can disrupt the market and lose focus from good news like this.

Companies like Shell has already an advantage if they want to take over another industry. It's an easy thing for them and I agree that having a huge budget if they ever plan to take over, they can. We may see them acquire some companies that would be taking care of this business as they're more focused into energy industry. So, this is just like an introduction for them and maybe they've got already roadmap and plans set all along.

I don't think that Shell is too late. It's never been too late when most of the biggest firms in different industries are not yet here and coming with this during the bear market. It's a good setup for them as we're anticipating the next bull run. There could be some greater news that's in store and waiting to be released for their next move but maybe that's reserved for those conferences.

It's not Shell that's going to mine, they'll only offer their technology and products to the miners for cooling systems. But maybe, they'll soon start that since they're an oil/energy company, electricity and stuff won't be a problem to them.

Yes we all know that shell is a giant firm in the world but one thing that must come to your mind in a case like this, shell is not a public firm but a private company so if shell is planning to join Bitcoin mining, it is good, that means Bitcoin is a very nice currency and shell which I know very well can involve itself in any company without gain... Once shell join Bitcoin mining platform things will change. Shell is a company that believe divide and rule policy in any third world countries they operate. Shell never offer free service I know in my locality. They should come and legalized or support the Miners Nigeria. In any place shell operates, there is 24/7 hours light so the Miners involved will enjoy their mining. And this will become a disadvantage to those providing a personal generators to power their machine.

Shell is not a private company but a public limited company. The news didn't say shell are planning to start mining BTC, but they are providing support to miners through its lubricants and cooling solutions, there is also nothing wrong with a company trying to make profit or gains, even BTC miners are in the business to make profits, that is why they are rewarded through block rewards and transaction fees.
Shell do not legalize BTC mining, that is not what they do, they are only recently trying to support BTC miners. And there are no miners in Nigeria, mining is not yet a thing in Africa, i feel mainly because of elctricity issues and the cost to run a BTC mining farm there.
The advantage we should be concerned about is that of the miners, and since BTC mining requires a lot of electricity, cheap and constant one; all of that is an advantage to BTC miners, as generators should only be a backup in the event of a power outage.

It is true, but we will see how this will change crypto market if a giant firm will enter. They will definitely not mine bitcoin to keep them, they need them for gains in usd so there is a pretty good chance that they will instantly dump the coins. One thing that would be good Butt is unfortunately not legal would be to pay out bitcoins as dividends, so all shareholders will have to download wallets etc.

But assuming that happens and energy companies build like sort of a cartel and centralize mining significantly, would there be any reasonable solution to counter that and update the protocol to prevent dangerous degrees of centralization from happening (especially when it were to happen out of a sudden and energy companies fire up their rigs in concert)?

Though I would still wonder what the overall availability of mining equipment is? Chips are rare these days anyway and producing an amount of hash power like out of nowhere even with old equipment could perhaps be less of a threat than one would think.

Regardless of the outcome, I would still say that it is also kind of a legitimization that can have a positive influence and be protective in favor of Bitcoin when it comes to regulation or even soft ban considerations by the respective governments.

I'm tired of listening to FTX and Binance drama these days and finally here's some good news.

The ecological imbalance threats of Bitcoin mining were the reason Bitcoin adoption becomes slow and it comes to mining and good thing it becomes green Bitcoin mining now and this big company firms find a solution to this which is totally good news. 

Let's hope other big companies will find another green solution of mining Bitcoin, this is a good step in Bitcoin adoption which start with a green process.

People still assume that Shell is purely an oil company, but the reality is that all these oil companies have a million other investments and renewable energy is one of them. You think they would only invest into oil and hope that oil will make them profit forever? They are obviously aware that they need to go towards renewable energy because the whole world is going there, which means they could also help bitcoin mining world by making it self sufficient as well.

It's one of the steps they are taking, in my nation there is a huge investment to wind turbines, there is like 750 of them owned by shell and that's A LOT OF wind turbines, 750 is not a small amount, that could power an entire city of 1 million people if I am not wrong, could be even more, it's really huge investment.

They are the first to do this and hope that it will be a good result once they implement their plans. Looks like the problem of power consumption for BTC mining is going to be solved in the next years because after Shell will show positive results about this, I'm sure the others will follow it as well just like how the payment apps nowadays become crypto wallets as well. Maybe for others, this is not a smart move by Shell but to be the first to help the miners means getting more clients first and also being the first one to acquire huge profits from them.

Lets hope they use the gas that is flared at source to generate electricity, and use that to mine Bitcoin. That seems better than just wasting the energy by warming the atmosphere.

All the rhetoric of reducing emissions and making mining more sustainable is lovely. Moreover, Shell is a huge company, so it's a big deal for Bitcoin publicity and increasing popularity (if only it weren't overshadowed by FTX, of course). That being said, I think what we're seeing here is greenwashing. Shell is a gas and oil company, a company doing business precisely in the things we should be abandoning. Moreover, in a study  (https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change)of greenhouse gas emissions between 1998 and 2015, Shell was #9 on the list of companies with highest impact, accounting for 1.67% of global industrial emissions.

The FTX and Binance issue is still fresh so expect that many people are still going to talk about them but you don't need to join them if you are tired of the repetitive discussion. Meanwhile it's also fresh in our eyes to see a good news like the Op has shared because we noticed that 2022 is mainly full of negative news and that have greatly fuelled the bear market making the price more dumped as usual.

It's true that btc mining is the reason on why some countries ban btc and it affects the adoption rate but I think some only uses it as an excuse to ban btc but there might be other reasons behind the ban but let see if there will be a change later on, after this positive news.

this is truly excellent news! 5 years ago this would be unthinkable. It is only proof that Bitcoin is gaining streght and new solutions for mining will start appearing fom the companies that we would never be waiting for.

I hope that after shell other energy companies will follow.

I wonder whether this will be the future of Bitcoin mining, hash power in the hand of a handful companies that have access to tonnes and tonnes of money and energetic resources.
Sure, we all still can solo mining or join to a pool, the pools themselves are an evolution within the mining ecosystem, I just wonder if companies like Shell will fairly compete against pools for the blocks or they will use their money to lobby against the pools and the right of the people to decide whether or not to participate in a pool.

It would be bad if in the future the hash power is mostly controlled by a few oil companies, which would respond to the orders of the usual politicians.

This news has brought some kind of relief to my nerves because Shell is a major player in the oil and gas sector. The news indicates that this oil giant is not mining but offering certain mining services like cooling, which has proved that Bitcoin is here to stay. This news would indeed boast the popularity of Bitcoin and it also indicates that Shell might consider using Bitcoin as a currency that can be used to pay for their goods and services in the nearest future. Shell has been one of the highest spenders (in research and development) as regards diversification from the unfriendly energy source to green energy. This means that the firm might be able to assist miners' transition to greener energy.

That's what I'm hoping for, the big companies will start to get interested with bitcoin and mining and other stuff related to cryptocurrencies. Because with their resources, they can contribute a lot and also give opportunities to many enthusiasts out there if they're needing a helping hand just to step and get started on it.

Typically, big companies like Shell are diversified and they understand that the only thing that's constant is change. And that's why they're very flexible and adaptable to the changes that's happening not just on their industry but also in the others that we may see them interested too. They can really help the miners on this case especially when a lot of critics keeps on talking about renewable energy and bitcoin mining is one of the culprits of cutting of energy and it consumes a lot of it. As you've mentioned wind turbines, in what country is that?

Those that don't see this as a good news and not smart, I think that they're missing the whole thing. There is the essence for being the first in everything. And as an oil and energy company, Shell is the first one to show this type of interest that's actually taking place and doing the thing, not just all about plans.

Hope so, I guess that they would be generous to share those to the miners.

Bingo! You nailed it about the publicity that bitcoin is getting with this step made and done by Shell. Although there's the fact that they're one of the biggest emissions for greenhouse gasses. At what rank they're right now? I just wish that they're able to take the call for lesser emission through solutions that they've discovered and made and which is going to be offered to the miners.

Every year and cycle that passes by, there's always the new trend and adoption that's happening for bitcoin and we all are liking it. And with this through Shell, this is just one of it and I'm sure that there's more to come for the next years.

As of now, they're not yet there but it's very likely that they'll also join the miners and have their own bitcoin mining facilities built. They're already at their advantage for having it built because they'll have no issues with power and it's possible to happen because they have no problem with funding and investments and of course, the power.

This is a great news about bitcoin but unfortunately it is coming when there is too much bad news in the industry already, that is why the good news is finding it difficult to make wave.
A company that produces energy to come into Bitcoin mining is a very large advantage to Bitcoin. This can make the debate of green energy and bitcoin energy consumption to come to an end.
The producers of energy will now be directly involved in the energy expenditure

They're like going for distribution but not for actual mining. It's certainly a huge advantage to bitcoin because of how big Shell is, there goes the exposure and stuff that we always want to see when it's coming from huge and known companies like them. We may also see that it's going to help about the unending consumption of electricity issue about bitcoin mining and hopefully, it's going to clear its way out there since it's not just really mining that's on it but also the manufacturing sectors and industries.

What worries me the most is the fact what there seems to be some kind of underground "work" going on to secure the centralized power of the most important cryptocurrencies of the market.
It may sound like a conspiracy-theory and maybe it is, but when I read Shell is planing to get into Bitcoin, the first thing that came to my mind was the apparent flaws of the new POS scheme of the Ethereum network. There are people which points out Ethereum now is a quite centralized network because of the concentration of validation power and staking.

Governments and companies could be planning to do the same to Bitcoin with the help of oil transnationals?

It is a joy for all Bitcoin lovers to see the oil giant Shell enter the field of mining even if indirectly, of course Shell is one of the world's oldest companies in the field of oil and has a long experience in the energy field, so they surely have a lot of solutions to help both in cooling Or finding alternative solutions for the energy consumed in mining, this news will have a significant positive impact on mining in the long run, and thus on Bitcoin prices.
However, given the recent unfortunate incidents and the very bad situation that the crypto market is going through, it is unlikely that we will see a noticeable impact at the present time, but there will certainly be a good effect in the long run.

As for this news, I also thought that Shell is directly going to get into bitcoin and mine it but they're not. Or should we say that they're not yet and soon, they'll give some announcement to make and they're going to have their own mining facilities because that's really possible. We don't know if there's a connection from this company and any government that plans to have their big share in mining bitcoin. It's going to require them if not millions to hundreds of millions for that plan to have it played like to be an oligarch in the market.

Once all of these noises that we're hearing from FTX and other exchanges going bankrupt. We're going to see the attention going with those good news that haven't been noticed during these times. But for us, we know how good to see such news and gives us the happiness that a company like this is starting to give their share.

If it is shell alone which made a huge decision, then that would be hardly felt.But considering tendencies, if more companies such as with Shell, will do the same thing even not today, it will be causing long term development for this industry. Trust is the only thing this industry is asking for sure. If it will be trusted by many countries as a valid currency to be used anytime you would want to, then same thing could also happen with non-crypto users, then progressive development will more likely be ended early, in comparison with. We've seen such ocurrances before and the effect is still present at this moment.