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Ok, suddenly the casino you're playing asks you for proof of income to be able to withdraw your winnings and to keep your account in good standing, your bankroll every month is $500 and you provide proof of salary that you are making $500 net every month, will they accept that proof will they accept that you are putting all your salary for gambling, will this violate the principle of gamble for fun, because you are working to gamble based on your proof income.

As long as it can justify the amount the casino have no business what I do in my life,if I gamble it all and leave my family starving to death or I have a lot of other incomes,like I may have mining,I may have objects that I have given for rent,the casinos should not give a damn about what I do and as long as I provide solid proof like the salary statement in your case here they should immediately approve them and let the withdraws go through.

If a worker from a casino want to go further,they will only lose these type of clients,he will go to other casinos who mind their own business and don't go further once the source is verified.

I think the problem is more evident when they would also ask you for a statement of your account and not just proof of your salary.
Because from that it would emerge that you spent a part on "classic" expenses to support yourself/family, go shopping at the grocery, pay bills, etc...
At the same time how did you manage to deposit the same amount in the casino?
in any case it is something very subtle.
you can always prove the bottom line of your earnings, and I don't think any casino should declare it as "unreliable".
Obviously if they want to make a scam they can declare anything to deny a payment....

in any case even if you are violating the "principle of gambling for fun" this is not a good reason to close your account or deny you a withdrawal if you win ::)

If you only even provide that amount and you are collecting just that amount which is $500 as monthly salary, that should not be a reason for a casino not to enable you to withdraw, if the casino do not alllow you to withdraw, that is a scam. Why casinos not ask of proof of income before deposit, but asking when withdrawing. I do not always like casinos for easy registration and deposit and a hard way of withdrawing.

Casino will not do this because they will just limiting there customers with them for that bullshit reason that doesn’t concern them. Casino doesn’t care if you are playing with all your money from your salary because they are business and not a financial manager that guides there customer about there spending. Requiring proof of income to customers just for withdrawal will never justify what it will be used for. KYC is already getting to much conflict on many customers so what’s more for this extra requirement for withdrawal.

Casino asking for this kind of documents is surely just want to have reason for players to not withdraw the amount. Typically casino that has low bankroll to let go withdrawal. This will not gonna pass no ,atter what the reason casino will justify for applying this rules.

I don't think that they'll mind how much you're going to put even if it's the whole income or salary you make. What they just want to see is that you've got a proof of income. I guess you've made this topic because you've seen also another thread wherein the OP has been asked for proof of income by another known casino. If a gambler sends all of his salary to the casino, I can think of many factors.
1. It could be his other income and there's still got enough money for his needs.
2. He's single and living with his parents that doesn't need to think much about priorities.
3. He's got a lot of savings so whether he wins or not with that amount he deposits, he's still going to live well enough.

A casino asking you to prove your income is the dumbest requirement I've ever heard of.
If some crypto casino demands from you to comply with such ridiculous rules in order to allow you to withdraw your earnings, this definitely smells like a scam. What's next? The casino asking you to prove that you are healthy and that you don't have any "forbidden diseases"? ;D
The only type of private businesses, that can ask you to prove your income are commercial banks(when you apply for a consumer loan or mortgage).
Any other business asking you for your salary or income is doing something sketchy.
Stating that such "proof of income" requirement has something to do with a "responsible gambling" policy seems like total BS to me.
 

I do believe there is no any site will ask our proofs of income (source of income) if we only deposit $500 every month. It's different when you deposited $500 but you managed to win huge money on that site, they might ask your KYC and other things. But that's also happened on few sites, most of popular sites won't even ask you anything even you won huge amount from their site

Let me ask if it is just a curiosity by you or actually somne casino asked you for this? If it's the second please publish here their names so we can shame them.

I would never accept such a requirement because , as someone already said, what I do in my life os no casino business; I can understand they may adduce anti money laundering reasons and stuff like that but if those were the real reasons they should ask before accepting my money as deposits and and not only at the moment I ask for a withdrawal.

There will be no other reason this question is asked than being curious, some people knows how gambling sites can easily seize customers money during withdrawal. I think that is the reason for the question. I do not think gambling sites can be that not professional to request for statement of account or proof of income than not been to only make sure the person is earning the money or not.

The casino should be able to accept it because you have provided proof of the salary you get every month. But if the casino suspects unusual activity on your account, they may ask for more evidence to show you own the account. This is to avoid anything unwanted by the casino and is also due to pressure from the regulators to find out who owns the account at the casino.

And I don't think that violates the principle of gambling for fun because you may already be using gambling to earn money or some other source of income. But I don't know, I'm also not sure about this and maybe you should ask each casino.

Where did your question come from?

POI's part of verification, there is nothing to do with the wagering or deposit you're made. Casino never restricted any money to their business, even with only 10$ you still can gamble with them.

This is the first time, someone ask this question.

Any casino you are speaking of in particular? proof of income being asked is usually when a red flag has been found on an account, IMO. I am sure you would not getting this proof to be submitted very commonly.

What they will accept, only they will know.

Also if you feel this breaks the principle of gambling for fun, then dont gamble or keep a limited budget for gambling every month and dont overdo it. Just because you have to show your ledger to someone does not mean you are violating a principle that you have been keeping to yourself. If you feel like you have been lying to yourself, then you have to fix that problem from your side.

Yeah, I only saw this kind of requirements on loans or purchasing items in-terms since they will need to make sure that customers will have the capability to pay the borrowed money before the due date occur.

Gambling doesn’t gives liability to all there users so this document is really not necessary to be relate on gambling unless casino offers loans to there players for bankroll then this document is important in regards to that matter.

If casinos were that strict about whether you and your family will have enough money to get you through the month, they would throw out or ban many of their clients. But they don't. And they don't mind you gambling your life savings on their games. The more people do it, the better it is for them. The gamble for fun slogans and the "stop when the fun stops" is just them trying to look good in the eyes of the general public and their regulators. When has a casino ever asked someone if they are sure they want to gamble, and how that will affect the financial stability of their family?

The question is why the gambler only give a proof of making $500/month? he can create fake paycheck since it's really easy to do that. I don't think there's a stupid gambler who blatantly just post his paycheck because he have thought this before.

However let's say it's really true, the casino will allow if their gamblers gamble all of his salary because they have own responsibility and they're using their money, not ask money or someone.

The question probably comes from this kind of thread as well. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5425910) Someone asked about Stake asking for the source of funds. 

If you have a ton of money in the casino wallet yet you only have $500/month as pay check from your job, don't you think the casino will suspect something doesn't add up?

I haven't experienced any verification like this and might never will. This will certainly limit the money that the casino is making given that they are restricting their gamblers to spend more which is the opposite of the way that they makes money. Gamblers now are hating KYC and adding this will be an absolute red flag to gamblers because I think it exceed the verification that normal casino wants since it requires the payroll which is a sensitive very sensitive information. If a casino requires this kind of verification, for sure they are killing their own business at it's own.

As long as it's your money and you work to earn it then it's no man's business to query you regarding how you spend them, but i also want to believe that gamblers found in this kind of category are few on a rare case because no one will get the entire salary into gambling without leaving anything left for feeding, transportation and other emergency needs, and if such gambler also exist then using a kyc free casinos will be the nest option for such gambler and also he will need to read and understand their privacy policy before gambling.

I believe that it should not be a problem, as long as it is my money neither the government nor a casino on internet should not interfere on how I decide to spend it.

There are some situations where this scenario where someone gambles all their money could happen, a young adult which is dependent on their partner or their family could perfectly spend their monthly income on casinos. It would be different if in the terms of service of that specific casino would state that they will reserve the right to suspend accounts of people who are spending recklessly on gambling (which would be unlikely to happen) again, they would need to keep in consideration the personal situation of the user and I doubt any service would go so far to analyze users.

Never heard of casinos asking for proof of income. They want their players to gamble all the money they can for them to earn, and I doubt if you need to justify where your money came from as long as you are already KYC-approved. Not unless they are just asking you for ridiculous documents to avoid paying your winnings. I wouldn't visit any casinos that require such a document aside for their KYC which is just valid ID, there's no need to prove to them where your money is coming from as long as they are earning.

In some online casinos, the funds received from gambling are not considered as a confirmed income, they require you to have a permanent source of your earnings, except if you have received income for some year while gambling and declared it and paid taxes.

I think they are trying not to paid you of your winnings or to let you withdraw your fund. Proof of income has nothing to do with letting you withdraw the money. Actually, this is the first time I know such situations where you must provide a proof of income to the casino so that you will have a good standing account and will be able to withdraw. Most gambling sites I know doesn't require you to provide proof of income so that you can withdraw. It's either you withdraw all your income or some of it and gamblers must go through KYC to withdraw if your account is suspicious. I do know that some casino may ask you to provide the documents to verify the source of funds and not used to let you withdraw the funds.

I mean, if the "proof of salary" you provided is legitimate I don't think they have grounds for denying you your withdrawal. anyway, why would they care about the principle of "gambling for fun"? also, they can't use that as a reason(because it would an extremely stupid reason) to deny your withdrawal request.

As long as you can provide a valid document about your salary, they will approve it whether you deposit it all or not.  The gambling casino will never hinder your playing on their platform as long as your fund source is valid.  Besides, it is not at the casino's discretion whether you deposit all your earnings or not.  Casino for the owner is a business, whether you play for fun or not is out of their concern.  The principle of gambling for fun is up to the player and not the casino.

It shouldn't matter to them if you're putting all your salary BUT you could be questioned if your betting average per month is more than your declared salary. You would still look suspicious if you're betting $1000 when your ONLY known source of funds is your $500 monthly salary.

Would you say that Stake is a scam casino should they enforce their policy on proof of income?
https://help.stake.com/en/articles/5328395-acceptable-documents-for-source-of-funds

Then your info gets leaked. All telemarketers and emails you will receive just because you try to satisfy your gambling fill and added in some personal info that even your friends shouldn't know about. Perhaps this might prevent people from not having enough money to gamble and will go out and take a loan just to play, but I also see some negative thing about this proof of income thing that will surely turn sour as time progresses. You have all sorts of info leaked even if they are already stored in secured servers but what about this one?  ::)

I think a requirement like this won't be ever asked by the casino. It limits too much gambling activity. Someone doesn't even need a wage to gamble. There are people who live with their families and have all their expenses paid by the family. They earn "free money" and use this money to gamble. Then would they have to say this to the casino while also presenting a justification on why their relatives give them money for nothing?

If so, even criminals who are laundering money can use this excuse. So, nothing changes compared to the currently scenario.

Casino site wouldn’t ask you to show your proof of income but i seen some casino site can asking bank statement to verify yourself for example your real name and anything else like KYC verification  . Casino sites don't care how much money you earn per month or how much money you use to gamble per month. So there you can use them for gambling as much as you want according to the limitation and you can not use them if you don't want.  They won't force you to spend a certain amount

To me, I think proof of earning is proof of earning like the title goes, which ever way it is, the casino will have no choice but to accept it except they have an ulterior motive in mind for not accepting it.

By the way, if I have passed kyc verification as I should with the casino, what again would they been needing a proof of earning for, is to verify if actually I earned the money I am using to gamble or maybe I stole it, or is this just one the tricks casinos play on gamblers to try to frustrate them into giving up their winning?
Requesting for this kind of verification is just not right if I am asked.

Actually most of the gamblers here are the people who earning from jobs too. Most of the people use their income to play gambling, because the income they generated based on their hard work. So they will do use of gambling for their entertainment with the money they have. If anyone asked for the bankroll, they can easily prove it. So many can easily pass the proof of income.

In some cases approved proof of earnings can be a bank statement not later than 3 months to be considered valid, it doesn't matter how much is earn but the bank stamp declearing the document to be valid unless in some cases of violations of casino rules were an account is suspected to have been involved in money laundering activities that way the casino can go further to prove how much is earn and what has left the account or come unto the account for investigation sake.

Unless and until you are playing with a huge (really huge) amount of money, no crypto casino should ask for such proof of income. If some casinos do it, let us know the name so that we can avoid it for good. This is not really a good practice for the crypto casinos and may indicate a potential exit scam.

Alternatively, if you are providing the income proof which justifies your bankroll, you should not face any issue. But earning and gambling with the same amount, may trigger some more question at their end. But at the end of the day, a casino must not hold your winning just because of this reason. If they do, they are scam casino and must be avoided.

I kind of feel like proof of income is a bs term honestly. It's my money I should be able to spend it how I want. If you don't earn your money by 1 of the means they deem acceptable, they will confiscate your funds. A rule to me that is no different than the multiple accounts rule. Rules to give casinos a way to take money from a person.

How is online any different than going to the casino live? I walk into a casino, show my ID, and proceed to gamble on the game of my choice. There's no how did you earn that money question. They have no idea if I just robbed a store before walking in their door. So why does online casinos need this info? And why are we ok with it?

I see the arguments for casinos having these rules, I just don't necessarily agree with them completely. 

Is this necessary in gambling and what business of a casino it is to inquire how I get my money and how I choose to spend them, the casinos that ask for such verification are centralized and should be avoided just like those asking for KYC if tho value your privacy then we should be mindful of such rules.
Proof of earning is only necessary for extreme cases of violation of casino terms and anti laundering mechanism.

If the requirement they need is just to show proof and it's acceptable based on their terms and conditions then they'll surely validate that. I don't think that they have that validation to accept you in the first place because you're just playing for fun, they require it because they need to comply on the regulation.

I've never heard of any casino asking for a proof of income. That's too personal and has nothing to do with the right compliance with the KYC. In case this happens, the casino wouldn't mind about your salary as well as where you're getting your gambling funds from. They benefit from you and your bets so they will never ban you for such a reason but as far as I know, casinos will only ask for your identification and not your proof of income.

I dont see that 500 would be an issue they have to pursue, if its millions then maybe its something a company is obliged to check I dont know.   I would hope very much they refrain from harassing normal people from whether they have 500 to spend because thats normal behaviour and criminalizing a population for normal behaviour is pointless.

Other bettors spend thousands in gambling and I don't think casinos should question that by asking for their proof of income. I think gamblers have the right to go against it or not comply in case the casino will ask for this personal information.
Lots of us don't want KYC so asking for a proof of income will bw too much. Asking for the bankroll information will be enough but questioning our expenses in gambling isn't justifiable.

That can work since the casinos might also consider that you are able to save some money since you are earning enough and capable of playing on their site. If the site started to require you with this then probably you are able to hit big profits from them, just don’t panic and coordinate with them as long as you have a proof of income then you can be good. Though don’t ever think to falsify your documents or else you might experience another problem and you might not be able to get your winnings.

You provided proof that you have a legitimate source of income worth $500. That was all they asked for, and all the proof of salary they need. As long as they do not have evidence that that money came from laundering or drug dealing, terrorism or etc., then you are ok. The casino will not have legal grounds on taking your money or freezing your withdrawals.

That being said, I would rather stay away from a casino that demands such in-depth, personal documents. A good casino would have to have a very large amount of distrust in one of their gamblers to ask for such documents. If they imposed such a degrading interrogation on everyone, they would lose their user base really quickly...

As long as you have the proof of income that can work, even if you think is not that big.
The site is just making sure that your money is not came from any fraud and once you cooperate with them for sure you can easily get your winnings. Gambling sites are just strictly implement the AMLA protocols so we might see more of this especially if you are able to hit the jackpot by just depositing a small amount of capital.

Op is thinking beyond the reality. No casino will shoot such questions when an user goes for withdrawal. If one of the casino is making such a statement or requesting the proof of income so to withdraw the winning, then it is indication of being scammed.

No trusted platform gets into such kind of activity with the normal gambler. Similar things could happen when the price of bitcoin is high and a common user who haven't deposited big money makes a huge deposit all of the sudden. Maybe in such scenario the proof of fund might be requested.

Many online casinos require players to provide proof of where their funds came from. In some cases, in order to prove that you are using your own money, a casino may ask for a copy of your bank statement. This is all part of the license agreement operators have with regulators, and it's not uncommon. You may be required to provide proof of your source of funds if you make a large deposit or withdraw large amounts of money repeatedly. Not everyone is aware of this requirement, though.

However, it's reported that some online casinos have dismissed customers' financial information as unreliable and closed the account in question. I think most complaints regarding rejected source of funds documents originate from dubious operators without proper gambling licenses. They may be trying to avoid paying out winnings or are just plain dishonest. The best way to avoid getting caught up in this kind of scam is by doing your research before making a deposit. If a website is licensed by an internationally recognized regulatory body, then you can rest easy knowing that it's most likely safe. And if you have any concerns about this, I'd advise against depositing money into an account and instead look for a legitimate gambling site that you can trust.

Basically salary confirmation letter with stamp should be enough to prove that you have enough credibility to make deposits. It is not business of casino to check every detail and ask for additional documentation for source of funds. Exception may be depositing over $50k in rare cases, IMO.

No, it will not violate anything. Casino should not close your account if that will be the case.
I think your account will only be suspicious if you deposit thousand of dollars and you have given them the proof of your income which states you are only earning like $300 per month - in this case, you should justify how were you able to deposit such amount while earning way lower than that.
Moreover, in case of withdrawal, it should not matter a lot, think about lucky players who only deposit $20 and won  thousands.

^The questions is, would you? Would you gamble on that amount based on your income monthly?
Gambling casino is not an exchange asking for proof of income for withdrawal, I did not hear about this casino yet but if they are intended to scam you, this could be their alibi if they will not give your winnings. I don't see you violating principles for fun if this is not against your will. If you let your family will starve to death in exchange for satisfying yourself with gambling, it is up to you.
However, I wonder if there is a gambling casino having these kinds of terms, it seems fishy on my side.

Exactly! Many people have no income but a lot of money to play with.
Examples? People who inherited money, rich students who have the money but don't work anywhere, people who divorced and don't have to work anymore like the wife of Jeff Bezos.
For many people showing proof of income is impossible and what then? They get scammed by the casino because they can't jump the hoops?

That said, I think they have no right to demand that. What I have on my account and where I work is private information. I'm not going to share that when a private company asks me.

Proof of income does have something to do with the wagering deposits, but the Casino doesn't mind if the player deposits all his earnings and plays on that platform.

I say that proof of income do have something to do with the wagering deposits because in a logical thinking we cannot deposit anything more than what we are earning, but there are cases where a player can deposit money way more than his salary stated, so the casino wanted to dig-in as to where is the extra fund coming from.  This is the way the casino detects money laundering possibilities.  But if we are able to provide the needed documents to prove our deposit really comes from our earnings, then the casino doesn't have a say if we play the whole of it or not.

It's not because of casinos want to do that. It's because they are required to do that by law if they suspect something. Same goes with exchanges or any virtual asset provider that deals with money. Same goes with banks these days. This is part of FATF new regulations about money trail (https://www.fatf-gafi.org/publications/fatfrecommendations/documents/targeted-update-virtual-assets-vasps.html) so we just need to get used to it. I seriously would hope that crypto people would read about this because it seems they don't understand what's coming and how much things have changed for good.

There is something I don't understand, why does a casino ask for a salary condition? And if the person doesn't work, why does the casino ask for that? Under what conditions can this occur? It is the first time that I see that a casino asks for proof of salary, I thought that the casinos are interested in putting money and spending on the games, but they were not interested at all in where a person's funds come from, that is like the banks that ask for proof of origin of funds and see if they can block them, if these policies are being applied to casinos that is not something that I like very much, it does not attract my attention.

Have you read this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5425910) and this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416804) about that matter? They don't care if it's their business or not, if they want to lock your funds, they will require it and ask endless additional documentation. And you don't need to deposit $50k to get this kind of requirement, they can ask it after winning few hundreds of dollars, casinos are not all fair and honest unfortunately.

If a casino ask for proof of income then I think they just wanted that to proof that you are working for your not to accuse you of anything. Moreover, using almost all your salary to make bets on there platform should not be a problem for then because, they can't or in any position to tell you how to spend your money.
It is even a bonus for then having a diligent gambler that uses part of his fund to play bets, whether you are always winning or not. Gambling is a choice and any casino that looks like a thread to us on how we spend our money can lose their potential customers.

Wait.. am I the only one seeing that this casino "proof of income" is one requirement that doesn't make sense at all? Because how can a casino who never asked for proof of income when depositing funds, now be requesting for proof of income when trying to withdraw my own funds? Because it literally just sound insane. But however,  I don't know who may have gone through this mess, but if an individual could to fund his/her gambling account, such individuals should also be given the privilege to cashout his funds too.

Well, a bonus indeed because it smells profit for them if someone spends all that he's got from his salary and deposits it on them. But this type of questioning seems to be a bold thing and more a serious matter for the bigger gamblers.

The casino, if they're too concerned about your spending habits, they've got a self exclusion policy that they can suggest and it's there at most times.

And even before a gambler gambles and deposits, they can just reason out that you've signed for their terms of usage so whatever they ask, they should be complied.

The casino might ask for Proof Of Income if you are under any form of financial investigation by law enforcement agency. Apart from this reason I don't see any reason why they should ask for it. Law enforcement agents might mandate them to ask for this if they want to track your income as well as expenditure. I would never play with a casino that would ask me for such information because they are invading my privacy. My proof of income is a confidential document and putting it in a public domain such as the casino company might expose my and my family to criminals. It would also be senseless to use deposit your entire salary in a casino. Are they now acting like banks?  

No, not really. The thing they worry about the most is whether your deposits are indeed inside your salary range, now whether it was minimum or maximum, they wouldn't worry much. After all if it wasn't, then you're getting your deposits outside of legal sources which is where they would start worrying. Plus, they can safely assume that you have some sort of other sources you use for your daily living expenses, rent, etc. And as we can see with their exclusion policies, it starts with you, not with them.

I'd think they'd accept other proofs of where your money came from whether it be from inheritance or whatever, and if they can't provide it the casino simply cuts them off afaik. Now whether the money deposited (or left over) gets withdrawn or not is a different issue, but it's probably stated in their TOS.

When a casino ask for that kind of information they care about where the money is coming from, so as long as you can demonstrate that it is coming from a legal source there should not be any problem.

Now it is true that if the amount of money that you deposit each month matched exactly the proof of income you showed this may seem odd, but there are people that have several sources of income, so this alone cannot be used to assume you are using all your income to gamble, now there could be a few people doing this, but they are minority, and casinos are not going to audit you to separate those which are doing this from those which have a larger income.

I guess the only concern for the casino is to verify your source of funds so as to clear from suspicion of fraudulence that will also make their casinos put in danger. It’s part of KYC so as to protect both the gambler and casino as well. But if I’m not mistaken, it should be ask when registering and not only in time for withrawing. Otherwise, the casino itself might consider a scam if the operators will hold your funds.

I have heard for the first time that any casino asking for your salary slips in order to let you withdraw as KYC is normal these days but going to this level then I would simply quit because what I am doing with my money they should not be concerned once I verify myself and this will be too much.

If we say they want to know about source of income to judge whether we have that much amount to gamble or not then they are just making business profits margins decline which they will never allow to happen and I don't we will have this situation.

It's not that hard to get past that you just have to provide the actual data and I'm not quite sure that there are gamblers who will deposit money into a casino bigger than their income so it's not a problem, what would be a problem is gamblers who don't have real world income they only get money from their online work, can the casino accept that? and does the casino have the right to freeze the player's money? and I don't think the casino should do that other than let the player take his money and ban him from playing at the casino.

Well, I believe submitting proof of income worth $500 is not enough and is suspicious while your average deposit monthly in the casino is the same amount. Although your monthly bankroll doesn't mean you made regular monthly deposits since there are times you are winning. A decade ago, I was trained in anti-money laundering. That is why I am always careful with these casinos, exchanges, and banks. There are some ways to be safe though. Also, when it comes to gambling, we are lucky here in this forum since there are many casinos that have official threads here, although there are still issues but at least it is not that hard to connect with them and their reputations are at stake.

I don't see the relevance of proof of income to playing gambling said dude. It seems like I just heard of such rules that a casino asks for proof of income requirements, what I often read and hear is that they ask for KYC, what name of the casino are you referring to? Is that here at the cryptocurrency casino?

Then the income of 500$ from gambling is consistent? it seems that I just heard this story that is not true, I still believe that you can get an income without a fixed amount every month but the one with a fixed amount of income from gambling for me this is big nonsense in my understanding because gambling is only based on luck and not every day is lucky for anyone to win.

The moment a casino starts poke nosing in my private activities, it's a red flag for me. I understand the principles of proof of income and if I can prove that the $500 I use for gambling is from my salary as a result of my hard work, then I see no reason why they should deprive me of my withdrawal or making use of the casino normally.
Going with the other requirements for the proof of stake of income, there are other documents required to state those proves of income and if I present my statement of account and it doesn't get accepted, then I will have to seek for other means to get it done and as soon as it is done, then automatically I should be done with that very casino as well.

There is no issue if your wager amount is net the salary proof you have given, they only do this when there is suspicious activities like big money deposited than usual and this is normal in AML precaution process. But you have to be very careful some casinos doesn't accept certain income as a proof of income for example there are crypto currency casino which doesn't consider the earnings from your crypto investment as income so you have to provide valid income proof and incase if you failed to provide then your account will be on hold forever.

With this statement why does the gambling casino ask your salary I don't get the point why they do this because people.just letting the player to play no matter what kind of status of living they have and this kind of thing the casino makes get more information to you because they are asking a Salary Statement of an Account for the source of income of the players. Better to let your funds right there or else exchange them with the confidentiality of information.

If you are put your money on gambling this is not good thing. First of all Gambling is too risky play because in this you have too much luck for gambling to win and also if you put all money in these site or in casino and your luck is not on your side then you lose all money and all your income. You can play gambling for a fun not a living income.

If you already know the risks, you better not try to approach them. Otherwise, you will experience defeat, resulting in losing your money in both the short and long term.

But I don't know. The temptation of gambling is very big to entice us to come back and play longer. And maybe one day, the casino will ask you to show evidence for verification, including proof of source of income, because maybe the casino doesn't want to be blamed if someone goes bankrupt because of gambling.

Maybe the better question would be, why ask that concern in the first place?

I don't see why an online casino will ask for your proof of income much especially with the amount you have given as an example.

What basically they will gain if we are able to give proofs that we are making around $500 a month?

Gambling casinos are more concern on their own advantage, so i think that will not matter anymore as long as you come up with an amount same with your bankroll. Whether if your net is fixed or you still have other sources of income, that will never be relevant at all. As long as you are capable to bet, and they can make profits out from your bets, that's all what they want.

I don't think casinos have the right to ask such questions as regards ones' source of income. Not everyone who gambles earn salary monthly, not to talk of proof of earnings. I can even state that more gamblers don't work for a salary, and the ones who do, try to be very resourceful with their pennies because of the current season of global recession and most importantly yuletide.
If however, they were to ask before redeeming ones winnings, it would be wise to escalate to third parties with influence and also on a platform where they operate.

Most probably, for non reputable casinos, they always make it a point to make withrawal hard for the players. I don't know their valid reason for that, its just that legal and reputable casinos won't do same like that. And also, presenting your proof of income is part of KYC, you have to comply it the moment you register, not in the time of withrawal

Their question doesn't make sense to me, because how is it connected to withdrawal? It's a bit personal if you'd ask me, they have no right of asking what is/are my work or a proof of my salary or whatever and how much I would spend on gambling.

If this is asked because they are worried you are losing too much then that's fine but if their question has something shady in it, that just prove that they are really scamming their customer.

If this question is to prevent their customers from withdrawing their winning then it's a complete scam on their part since that's what basically what happens to most gamblers. If this is a legit question you might wanna drop the name of that casino, OP.

i also think that if they will go deeper and ask more of your financials, they may be thinking of finding loopholes not to release your money. because they may ask for proof of income and that's it. but if they will ask details of your bills and other expenses, then for me that's overboard. and they are just prolonging not to give your withdrawal. the OP should revisit the ToS of the site and see what really they need from you. if it is not stated anymore in their terms, then doubt their intentions of asking too much about your financials.

There are casinos that become suspicious of their player dude.  Then they will look for their source of fund and ask them to submit POF to the casino, if you did not noticed, one of the thread hear complain about a certain casino not accepting his proof of fund after that casino became suspicious of the player thinking that the player is into money laundering.  So it is relevance to playing gambling if the casino wanted it to be relevant.


If you are an employee, you have a fixed monthly salary.  That explains the fixed deposit of the amount because @OP deposit the whole of his salary to play in a casino.

I want to ask first if there's a case before where a gambling site asks for proof of income. If yes, can you share it?

If that thing will be asked of me, that's already too much since the gambling site has nothing to do with our source of income as long as we were able to make deposits on their site legally. They supposed should not care about that part of our personal life.

Is that happened to you, OP?

This is actually depending their own decision whether they would be accepting that income proof or would not basing on real time expense that we could have.
If you are earning $500 on a month and then having that $500 deposit on a gambling site, which means that you arent putting up something in expense for food,rent,savings and other expenses?
Pretty sure that they would really be declining if they would really be that too strict when it comes to that.Also nowadays it is really that too uncommon
for a casino to ask out for some income proof because this is usually be talking about kyc and not that income.

The last bit you wrote is little unclear. But yes, they will accept that as a proof of income. Show them your bank statement and your employment letter and that should be enough. Doesn't matter if you receive $500 and deposit all the funds into the casino. You aren't breaking any rules of the casino and the casino to be honest won't care what you do with your funds. So you should be safe unless they have some kind of weird terms of service that says that you can't gamble all your money you earn. But don't do that...

Should they care about how you will spend your money?
All they want is to escape being dug by the government so they want KYC or proof of income from their players.
Now, the decision about how much money you can spend on their site is in brackets, which means a higher salary will give you a higher bracket.
It's not any different from how an exchange will decide on how much you can trade, withdrawal limits, and deposit limits. They are just trying to control everything because when you go further than that, means questions from authorities.

Peace of mind?  ;D

Assuming that the amount is too huge for a casino, and the casino is suspicious of our fund so they will asked us where is our fund coming from supposedly to comply for AML regulation.  It will give them valid proof that our fund is legit when some authority look at their transactions and sees that we are depositing huge amount of money.  So less headache for them because they will be spared of being accused harboring money launderers.

I think they don't even have the right to prohibit you from gambling even though your money in gambling comes from your monthly salary, of course, this will be a bad habit if you play your monthly salary for gambling. But back to the point I mentioned (bold text). Then, I also wonder, on which site do you play? is this a physical casino? I also want to know more about this. But whatever it is, if what they are asking for is an obligation to withdraw money, like it or not you have to provide the data they ask for.

You are confused. Just because he has a bankroll of $500 doesn't mean he bets $500 every month when his salary is the same amount.

With a $500 bankroll he can make $1 bets and thus minimise the risk of going bust.

When he says that he has a monthly bankroll of this amount, the most likely scenario is that if on the 1st of the month he has 350 dollars left, he puts 150 dollars out of his pocket to complete the 500 dollars, and if for example he has 600 dollars, he withdraws the 100 dollars left over to spend it.

For transparency, it will be fine if you let us know the site name and maybe some evidence as regards to this, so other people will take note of site.

To add to this, Why on the first place they didn't ask you to provide this during deposit or registration?, and now after you have made some winnings and trying to withdraw your winnings, they now requested you should provide them your proof of income.

This Is fucked, Exept you have deposited huge amount of money into your account that looks suspicious, but in the case you got the winings from the platform, I see no reason why they should ask for this when they can check from their end and see you transaction history with them.

I think there's this thread in this section where stake asked the OP for proof of income.

I would have the same opinion that the casino shouldn't worry and think of what we do in our personal lives. But if it's written on their books that it's one document that they have to ask to someone that might have some activities that they detected to check, one has just to be obliged to comply.

i think it doesn't matter. because the casino only wants the reputation of the player and the casino to remain good.
all I know when the casino asks for proof of your salary is just to prove that you really put in $ 500 of your job salary. because what the casino fears every time you put money into the casino with the same amount every time is afraid if the money is the result of money laundering or corruption.
so if the casino has received proof of your salary they will be fine.

I don't think there's a casino will accuse their users get money from laundering or corruption when the gamblers only spend $500/month, it's small amount for the casino since they can make much much more higher than that. Also when you're deposit with the same amount every month, the casino will recognize if it's from your salary since most people get paid every month.

I believe the casino just want to collect more KYC in order to more know about the gamblers, there's no any reason except that.

When you had a job for the monthly income from some companies over a period of 2 years. Then the account was enroll as the salary account. So then if you withdraw the money from casino it was seems to be the funds from your salary. Even it may not from the income of salary, this case make to pass such things due to the old transaction. Then it became easy to withdraw the gambling money. No need to pay separate tax for this. It’s best way to use the salary account for the gambling site and to win. When the pass of bank account was approved, it’s essential one for the gambling withdrawal money from it.

An automatic deduction of a certain amount from my payroll to the gambling website? This is absurd and I doubt that anyone would agree to this kind of setup. This is not only potentially dangerous but you are putting yourself in a situation where you are digging a grave. Instead of allocating a portion of your income to gambling, it is better that you explore other modes of entertainment.

This kind of situation contemplates a system where the gambler can monthly fund their earnings on the website. This will most likely result to a destructive and dangerous outcome since the gambling website is creating an addiction to the user.

They ask your proof of income you provide and if it did not exceed your bankroll then you are good to go, there are still ways where you can get money to play not only coming from your income, like a sale of property from the inheritance you are not violating the principle of a gamble for fun when you only spend that amount of money it's not even $5000, you are still good to go unless they ask for more proof and you cannot provide anymore except your income.

Doesn't makes sense at all for me.

If they do , it's probably an unfair casino tha looking for reasons to hold customer funds which yeah it's a scam attempt by chance. Or if the casino legitimate enough to ask that ... could be mean that there's a request from the regulator and the casino can't do much to refuse it.

Not just casinos, but I have also seen many exchanges require absurd documents in order to release players' money.

Strangely, they only ask for these documents when the player tries to withdraw, why?

If the casino suspects you're spending more money than you should, they should block deposits, not withdrawals, agree with me?

Blocking withdrawals always causes a bad impression, most online casinos that have an excellent reputation take great care with this, as no player tolerates an abusive practice of withholding player money under the pretense that they are just complying with KYC.

In any case, every casino has its own laws and way of validating the documents sent to it.
If the blocked amount is really important to you, send all the documents they ask you to do, as you will not have an easier alternative, unfortunately.

What they needed was a prove of income to ascertain that my money for gambling was coming from a legitimate source and not trying to rule my life and telling me what to do with my hard earned money especially when I pay my bills and leave no debts behind.
Definitely yes it will violate the principle of gambling for fun because there is no reason why one should be restricted from gambling when there is no negative report on their mental health or any negative remark or review on them.
Everyone has the right to gambling as long as your country permits it and  you're of age.

but what if not that huge yet they asks for KYC? because this is what normally happens now and the casino sites are using this to their advantage trying to hinder the payment or at least make it longer to pay the winner.
imagine some of them even took months before finally bringing the funds out? and also some players/winners knows nothing where to bring this up and some of them losing hope and just giving up.
not all knows how to put the case in proper forum like this that ended up them losing the funds from these sites either legit or not.

I think this would pass the proof of income requirement. Giving them a proof that you actually have a salary that supports your deposits is probably enough. Your proof of salary doesn't mean you don't have any other source of income. It does not presume that.

I don't think gambling platforms implement something like the principle of gamble for fun. I don't know if they're this intrusive that they won't allow you to gamble because your deposit is a big percentage of your salary. Most of them don't even care.

We will never know because casinos can apply various things for the verification process and even ask for proof of our salary or income. But what if we don't have proof of salary but can make money from what we do?

But the casino will implement a verification process that doesn't burden its users because it can make users uncomfortable doing it. And hopefully, the casino will not ask many things for the verification of their members and will only use a basic verification.

The casinos doesn't need to follow the gamblers desire, but the gamblers are must following the casinos terms of services. They don't care if the requirements are really a lot and make the gamblers uncomfortable, the casinos will just freeze the funds and wait until the gamblers want to submit the whole KYC. Actually before you're want to use the service, you must to read the whole terms of services, this has been a warning when you're creating a new account.

One thing; why? For taxation purposes? LOL
First of all, a gambling site has record of your winnings as their player, that would be easy to retreieve especially if you are just using one wallet address. Also, I don't really get the point why a gambling site would do such thing. What about those who are just continuously losing? Will they have something to show? (sounds funny to some but there are really cases of such). First is KYC then some sort of a SOA from the player? kinda crazy if this would even be one of the requirements. I'd rather play on land-based casino for some reasons.
Gambling sites would follow their players' demand. Think of how many gambling platforms are there in this industry. Make a move showing inappropriate rule and you're doomed. A player could just move from one another while the platform would wait for players to come at them. Freezing the fund should never be an option that would tag the casino as a scam project.

In the crypto world where a small accusation can bring the casino's reputation down, it's risky for the casinos.

It would be too nosey for a casino to just do something about the user earning $500 net a month and putting it all on gambling. They don't care whether the user is gambling for fun or not. I'm saying this as a complementary but it will not be fun once you win big and the casino freezes your money because that's where the fun ends.

I'm not sure about it but I don't think the gambling site will be that keen to review your expenses upon your issuance of Proof of Income. It's all a matter of self-principle. You yourself feel like you're doing too much and have begun to spend most if not all of your money in gambling. The casino could care less about where you put your money. They just need the proof of income to make sure you are not a robot or a hacker if I'm not mistaken. So as a for fun gambler, if you feel like you have already gone too far, so as to spend all your salary for gambling, maybe how the gambling site thinks of your expense report should be the least of your concern. You should have yourself checked to a therapist or a psychiatrist because that could be a defining sign you are addicted.

I would agree with the fact that the gambling company couldn't care less about where you spend your money, just where you got it from, thus the reason why they are asking about proof of income. And I also think the OP's question may be a bit deep-seated and could be an indicator that the person he is pertaining to is now at least subjected to gambling addiction, that's why he needs to be checked if ever. The casino wouldn't care if you spent 500 bucks or 500 thousand bucks on them, it's how you think about spending that money that would matter. if you think you are doing too much already, then maybe it's time to reconsider your choices and see if you can get help in a way or another. 

If you got your income together legally, then it shouldn't be a problem, right? I also don't think gambling sites have the right to go into much more detail about this. And then there, how is a gambling site going to check something like that? If they want to elaborate on that, it's usually a sign that you can't trust the site and that they're stretching things. Too bad, because it should only be for administration and not to perform all kinds of checks. After all, a gambling site has absolutely no power and authorization to carry out such checks.

You are the only ones who could really help out yourself and the ones who could see whether you are already spending that much or not.When it comes to proof of income kind of thingy then i do believe that

houses would really be asking out on the time that it do trigger out their security measures or something that they are really that boggling on where those funds came from specially if we do talk about

bigger ones.As a centralized platform and do abide with some laws and regulations then they would really be at least caring out on where those funds came from and
this is where they do ask out those proof of income.

Right. The casino needs your proof of income for verification only to prove that you are not making money out from any fraudulence. So if you are making just the right income you have in your bankroll, then it won’t matter all, you will still be allowed to gamble anytime you want. The casino after all is only concern for their own reputation, and maybe not yours lol.

I think what casinos are looking for from proof of income is to check whether the player pays the right tax or not from their winning from the casino am sure casinos only ask for such documents when the player already has a history of past big wins and withdrawals.

It’s part of KYC so they can have an assurance that we are not money launderers, so if we want to gamble at peace, we should comply whatever they ask for as long as it’s legal. And I think they don’t care if all our salary net goes to gambling, it’s in us that we should put limits when gambling.

They will definitely accept that but not if you're salary is only $500 a month and you deposit $500 weekly that would make it questionable and the casino will ask you for more proof of income not only on your salary but other documents that will prove that you can sustain your bankroll and you are not working just to gamble, even if you're living with your parents there should be right allocation on all your basic needs.

Nope, they, the casino, will accept the documents you've sent whether or not the amount listed on your pay slip is lesser than what you usually deposit and gamble on their platform. Those documents that they've ask for a proof of income is just an additional verification to support your initial verification, that is also why they ask for the most recent pay slip, so they'll be able to validate it better on their end. Also, just because you're earning lesser amount on your job doesn't mean that is the only way you earn money, there are investments, assets, gambling, trading, freelancing and much more that doesn't provide a pay slip. You're not applying anything like a credit card or loan on a gambling platform for it to require a certain amount of income to be qualified.

What's the reason for this? Doesn't this sound funny?
Or maybe this is just one of their ways to make it difficult for users to make withdrawals? If this happens, isn't this really crossing the boundaries of our privacy, especially since this is a gambling platform? This is my first time hearing about that. If it's related to KYC, maybe KYC is often done, but usually, it's enough to provide data or more, that's our ID, right? It seems like they are a financial evaluator institution

I'm curious which countries actually demand this, and not so sure I actually think it's a bad thing.  Personally I lean more on the side of lesser government, more of a libertarian type-ish when it comes to government rules and regulations, but I think this could actually promote good gambling habits.  That being said, I wouldn't want to deal with it and would certainly try and use ways around it if possible.

Speaking of principle, maybe the casino won't care, in fact, they are happy to see you put in more money.
But this introduces another problem, it's inadvertently relevant to AML rules. Casinos may force you to provide information on your other sources of income, casino judgment in general would not believe that you put all your salary into their platform with nothing left.

It would be difficult to believe for a casino that a person is putting all their money in their platform, however I do not think this is their problem, as long as you can prove that whatever amount of money you are depositing with them can be legally justified then that should be more than enough for them to conclude that you are not using funds coming from an illicit source or anything suspicious like that, since at the end of the day it is not their problem if you do in fact spend all your money with them.

I mean, of course any casino will be happy if their clients decided to deposit more money into their platforms, they are a business after all.
But about the proof of income, I have already stated in other occasions that casinos have no business telling people how to handle their money, actually it should not be decision from the casinos managers to suspect if someone is spending all the salary in gambling, there must be a law or a legislation that allows people to deposit how much they want as long as it coincides with the provided proof of income.

Gamblers have options to play and so does the casino, which has rules and requirements that gamblers must fulfill. Therefore, if gamblers wish to play at a casino, they must prepare the necessary documents in case they may be asked to perform KYC by the casino.

Just reading the terms is all we can do and if we don't like the casino's terms, we can look for another casino that may not have those requirements. We don't need to stay at the casino because many trusted casinos still make it easy for gamblers to play gambling and verify their accounts.

Well it's hard to believe that you're using your whole salary for gambling. How about your other expenses? Are you going to rely on your gambling winnings to have such decision to gamble it all? Anyway, I don't think there's a casino who would care on where their players getting their money to deposit. Isn't it good for them that their players are consistently playing and spending their money on their platform? Because it's none of their business. But is this based on your own experience in a specific casino?

Personally I have never been asked to go thought KYC myself, however for what I have read other users which have done so, there are in fact some instances in which a casino could in fact ask you where your source of income is coming from.

After all they do not want to get in trouble themselves by allowing a person to gamble with funds they could have gotten through criminal activities, however other than that I do not think they care about the scenario the OP is worried about.

They will have it if you let them. The moment you have given the document to their hands, it is also the moment you have given them the right to do further verification and checking to see whether these documents are up to standard and are not forged in any way. You'd be surprised on how agreeing to some terms of services extends the legal right of a gambling platform to a lot of things. That is why people should really think twice or thrice before checking that tick box on the ToS of every website/service/whatever it is that they are signing up for. They worded it well that you won't think there's anything wrong, when in reality you're giving them every right to go against your ass the moment you submit that document and checked the ToS.

    - You are right on this point that you are saying, maybe for the most part it is a bad method even if you didn't steal the money you earned. Even I honestly find it hard to believe that he is having a fixed amount of income from his gambling. I can believe that he earns a month but the fixed amount is unbelievable.

What I also don't understand is why a gambling casino needs to know that it is required to show proof of income, what does that have to do with a casino, this is the only casino that asks for proof of income first before you can gamble.

We will never know why the casino needs to verify us by asking for proof of salary.
Maybe it's to see how much their salary is and whether the money is just for gambling or they keep most of their salary for other purposes.
If the casino sees the gambler using his salary solely for gambling, perhaps the casino can warn them to change their habits so the gambler doesn't lose more money.
But if you don't want to send proof of income, you don't need to play gambling using big money and play moderately.

I think he was only using that as an example because no one in their right minds gambles all their salary and we don't even have a full salary because there will always be deductions for it. Proof of salary/income was only one of the options that some casinos are asking for their KYC verification.

They need to ensure that all the money that is being put on them are clean and doesn't came from illegal activities. I think this was also being ordered by the government so even if they like to cater all types of players to be able to earn more, they can't possibly do it. Earning small is better than not being able to operate and earn nothing at all.

I have read from some casinos that they really ask for proofs of income because that will be used to support your funds, that you are legally earning it either from your job or from your business that provides your income, and not from any form of fraud. Mainly, this is to protect the casino itself and its reputation, and  to protect the gamblers  as well from any forms of money laundering.

i will skip gambling sites that force me to do this, for me it is very annoying if a gambling site requires me to give them my salary slip every month just so that i can play and make withdrawals there.  remember that you are gambling with your own money, so use it as you please, even spending it is your own right. 

First this is a very crazy scenario which can only happen 1) in the movies 2) if the government decides to take over the casino business. But then again it would be a terrible business model. Now let us assume that this is the case and everybody is okay with it, it will not violate the principle of gambling for fun because using all of your salary for gambling is the extreme of gambling problem/ addiction.

Morally, the casino that did not ask you for proof of funds before accepting your deposit does not has the right to ask for proof of funds while withdrawing your money. Only that some casinos might be cunny, they might want to sit on the money, which is why they might be looking for excuses to make that possible.

But if you could prove this with a $500 monthly income, they will highly likely not disturb you since all they care about is how money enters into their pocket, not really about the welfare of the gambler. This is unless they are under a strong regulator that has some rules about earning and gambling. And in cases like this, a better alternative should be sorted out.

I don't think casinos will ask for any such information. (Because they have nothing to do with how much your monthly income is and how much you are spending out of it on gambling)

But if they want to ask, at least it shouldn't be at the time of withdrawal. If they really want to know about their user's monthly income, they should ask at the time of registration so they can set a monthly limit for him that he can't exceed.

I mean why not? They should consider that you work even before you deposit on their gambling site and the one you deposit might either be from your savings. I think they will just check if it was really a close to your deposit for example you are ordinary employee with an average of $500 but you deposit $20,000 wouldn't that be a little bit sketchy? If you deposit around $2000-$5000 I think that could still be acceptable.

It's great to get past gambling sites that ask you to send proof of your salary because that is your privacy. If that happens to you, you have the right to move to another casino, and casinos cannot impose their rules on gamblers. But usually, if we have won a lot of money and want to withdraw, the new casino will ask us to do KYC and even ask for other requirements to complete, such as proof of salary. So it will depend on each gambler, and we can choose before deciding.