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Website: www.Sportsbet.io
Sportsbet username: snne
What happen: Sportsbet ban my account $18919

You can find the screenshots below the post.
I bet for fun.  That's why I don't spend time on forums.  My friends recommended this site to me.  I placed this bet believing in the surprise matches in the world cup.  I was very happy that I won, but sportsbet.io was a big disappointment for me. After experiencing this situation, I researched it.  Many people have been victimized by sportsbet.  I was surprised by what I saw on the forum.  I'm writing here because I see some people in this situation being helped.  Also, other people can benefit from my writing.  They accused me of multiple accounts but I have only one account.  They canceled the winnings I received purely by chance, by sending an automatic e-mail , which they wrote the same things send to everyone. They sent me an e-mail saying that you can withdraw the remaining balance, then I checked my account and they took my earnings from my account.  I was only able to withdraw the money I deposited and then my account was closed.  When I ask a question, they do not answer for days.  I want my earnings.  People shouldn't trust this site and place a bet because they probably won't pay once they've already won.
You can find the last e-mail they sent me in written form at the end.

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Our conversations are as follows:
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then they sent me this e-mail
Hello snne,

Thank you for completing the verification process.

Unfortunately, your account verification was unsuccessful due to multiaccounting. We have acquired evidence that you are acting in breach of our terms and conditions.

Under rule 18.1.
18.1. Without restricting our ability to rely on other remedies that may be available to us, we may suspend and/or terminate your account, cancel any outstanding bets and/or confiscate any or all funds in your account at our absolute discretion if:
(i) we suspect that you are engaging in money laundering, illegal or other fraudulent activity while using our Website; or
(ii) we suspect that you are depositing funds which have been obtained unlawfully or in a clearly and seriously debase manner; or
(iii) we obtain evidence that you are part of a betting syndicate where several parties are involved in placing bets in order to evade the Sportsbook Rules, these Terms and Conditions or any other rules of Sportsbet.io; or
(iv) we determine that you are using any device, robot, spider, software, routine or other method (or anything in the nature of the foregoing) to interfere or attempt to interfere with the normal proper functioning of our services, any relevant device(s), software, the Website, the casino games, the sportsbook and betting information or any transactions offered on the Website and in particular will not employ or make use of any artificial intelligence or other system (including machines, computers, software or any other automated systems) designed specifically to defeat the Sportsbet.io systems; or
(v) we determine that you are colluding or attempt to collude with other players in order to defraud Sportsbet.io or its customers; or
(vi) we determine that you are breaching any term of these Terms and Conditions;
(vii) we determine that you are acting in a manner that is detrimental to the conduct of our business; or
(viii) we determine that you are using Sportsbet.io in a manner that gives you an unfair advantage, for example basing bets on insight or professional knowledge about a sport gained via personal involvement or participation in the particular field of sport; or
(ix) we suspect that you have registered, manage or direct your betting activity on multiple user accounts in an attempt to hide your betting activity or bypass our set trading limits; or
(x) we suspect that your account is being used for the benefit of a third party; or
(xi) we obtain evidence that by registering new accounts you have violated Sportsbet.io direct order not to continue your betting activity on our site. Sportsbet.io has the right to confiscate any deposits on accounts registered by users previously found in violation or disregard of previous warnings of the above terms and conditions.

As a final exception, we ask you to log in to your account and settle the remaining balance. You will only be able to request a withdrawal, as the rest of the site functions are blocked. Once you have settled your balance, the account will be disabled permanently.

If you attempt to open any new accounts, any deposits you send to Sportsbet.io in the future will not be returned.

If you have any other questions, feel free to contact us again.


Best Regards,
Player Safety and Assurance Team

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They still haven't replied to my email.

get yourself a lawyer.https://lms-advocaten.com/en/lms-curacao-gaming-lawyers/

First of all, how do I solve this with sportsbet.io?  I look forward to your suggestion.

first, you are lucky that you got your initial deposits back.

if you feel you haven't violated anything, regarding multi-accounting that they are alleging you. or any other terms from their ToS, you can reach out their rep from the forum, sportsbet.io account -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=832366

try to be clear and straightforward with your situation. or maybe send this link to him.

I don't think I've violated anything.  I sent them the link as you said.  Thank you for your advice.

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Hi,

I went to respond to this last night.. but I decided to sleep on it. Im glad I did.

This is a simple case of a user who is part of a larger syndicate trying to work together to manipulate the sportsbook. This has certainly ramped up directly due to the World Cup effect.

Im all for paying out genuine bets if the price is right, and we are known for fast payouts and withdrawals.

However, we are not a charity.. and if you deliberately break normal industry terms and conditions standards, you will be caught.

The multi-accounting on this case is soooo blatant and LAZY that even the emails are the same - as above ^^ SO you can imagine what happens when we start checking device details.. it unravels like an Onion.
I mean - Icloud and Hotmail?  this just shows you are not new to the game.

But the thing that got me, and the one fact I wanted to sleep on, is you tried to pass yourself of as an innocent female.

This means you have brought either your wife, girlfriend or a poor innocent female into your web of deceit and using them to try to add to your long list of accounts through KYC verification.

You were on top of us for a while and have withdrawn more than deposited. So you can have that money, but there will be no more financial transactions between your (many ) selves and sportsbet.io

With no surprises, I won't be spending any more time on this case.
I am fully enjoying other parts of the World Cup and the bitcointalk forum is pumping with excitement and interaction. I will be joining in.

regards,

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

so what do you have to say for yourself OP? it looks like sportsbet.io has a very good reason to believe that you are breaking their terms and condition. unless you can unequivocally disprove their evidence I don't think you'll change their decision. just so we are clear, I am not siding with sportsbet or you.

Pretty cut and dry case of multi accounting from the screenshot steve has posted
Rules are there in place for a reason and as steve said they are a business too, everyone has bills.

OP your time would be better spent on finding a new book

OP this is obvious case of multiple accounts being used to abuse sportsbet casino, so don't expect to hear from them on any of your email addresses  :D
You also deserve to have negative feedback on your forum account for cheating, lying and trying to get support from bitcointalk community.

@OP, sportsbet.io has shown us the proof if you did multi accounting, i still can say, you are still lucky you can withdraw your deposit amount instead they blocked and suspense your account. They also said you did withdrew some money which you got from sportsbet before this (probably from multi accounting as well).

first of all thanks for your answer.
I'm a woman and I'm no one's tongs. I can prove it to you any way you want. Can't women bet? This sarcastic attitude is unprofessional, please change it. You accuse me of using multiple accounts, but I don't have an active account other than my snne username. When you asked me if you knew these accounts, I checked that they were closed so as not to give you false information and they were. You confiscated my money without giving you an answer that I was linked to those accounts. Those e-mail addresses belong to me and are accounts that I have closed before. I took a break from gambling to think about myself. Because I usually lose and when I made a profit I wanted to take a break. The next time I wanted to have fun, I opened a new account. I have never used those accounts at the same time, you can research it and see. You can understand this because those accounts are already closed. Also, I didn't do this on my own, I did it by researching. I saw that I could do this in terms and conditions 10.1 and I consulted live support about this issue. He said "if you close one account, you can open another account. It doesn't count as multiple accounts". (Proof screenshots are below.) I did not commit a rule violation. Please give me my earnings.
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Evidence that I have closed accounts:
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@Sportsbet.io does all the connected account is somehow all active since the OP didn’t deny the fact that it’s his but he didn’t use the other account anymore.

Aside from multiple account violations. what specific violation he do on sportbook side that make his profit void? I’m just assuming that his alibi about his other account that is not active anymore is valid for the sake of discussion.

@OP have a shame if you knew by yourself that you already busted. Do you use promotion or bonus on all of the account connected?

From a legal point of view, the bookmaker cannot close an account if the client has confirmed with a document. If he wants to have 100 accounts from one IP. I don't know why sportsbet is acting like a madman

No, I did not use any bonuses or promotions in any of my accounts. I bet with my own money. I generally lost. When I won, I withdraw my money and stopped gambling.

Sportsbet has broken a lot of trust. I'm going to open a topic, the same thing happened to me. Completely close accounts with excess earnings for the same reason. Is everyone using multiple accounts, friend?

You gotta be kidding right? This guy or gal win 18K USD for doing whatever shit that makes them increase there winning percentage through the use of multiple account. Sportsbet is known for easy and fast withdrawal no matter what the amount is. This guy violate the casino ToS and probably use it for there own advantage. Witnessing a case like this then follow up with another case from newbie prove the point of Steve that this people is part of an illegal group that target casino sportsbook.

Hi
You can't accuse me of fraud without any proof.  I proved that I did not violated any rules. Steve presented me with an argument and I responded with my evidence.  We are talking here by presenting evidence.  It's frivolous to accuse people like you without proof.  You should think twice before judging people in public.

OP if you're confirming these are your accounts (that are closed), did you use different KYCs on these ones? I think that would definitely fall outside the rules

If you were trying to withdraw $19k were you overall down or up?

Hi
No, I did not use kyc in my other (closed) accounts.  On my account with the username snne, they questioned me not to give the money because I by luck won a large amount on my first withdrawal.  They don't give my money even though I did it correctly.  KYC was not requested in my closed accounts. Probably because I usually lost. There was no money they could confiscate.

They showed some proof that you had other accounts and according to their ToS that is illegal. I don't agree with that if you are collecting no perks from multiple accounts, but you agree to their ToS when you create an account.

Be happy you got some money back and quit being a loser.

I have not collected no perks from my other (closed) accounts.  I know that when I create an account, I accept their terms and conditions.  According to their rule, condition 10.1, when the account is closed, the rules and conditions lose their validity.  You can find it in the screenshot I attached. 
I'm lucky they gave me the money I deposited, right?  They confiscated my $18919 money!  are you kidding me? 

I can't understand some of your statements, because what you said on the opening post and the other posts that follows are rather inconsistent. I'll try to snip without changing the point of the statement. Statement made in screenshot will be written in qoted text with the link to the image source below them. Your earlier post will be marked in red and the statements that follows and contradicted it will be in scarlet.


From this earliest part of your evidence, we can conclude that you're sure you don't have any other accout, but in a good gesture and as you won't mislead --misrepresent, in your words-- SB's representative, you're open to a suggestion that there's a possibility you had those account mentioned and forgot about them, and you tried to log-in with your password.

The situation you tried to paint here on the opening post is that you don't have any other account, but there's a possibility that --in a good gesture and form of cooperation-- you might had (an) account(s) in the past and forgot about them.

Then you said,


It'll be relatively understandable if someone created an account in the past with one of their email, and then forgot about it and created another one with their other email years later. But --at least-- three different emails with eight --including this one-- different accounts?

Another interesting thing to point out is that although you know you have a habit of creating an account and stopped --more about this below on inconsistency #2 and other point at the end of my post-- to take a break, you insisted on having no other account on the earliest part of your exchange of communication with SB.

If you're truly honest and clueless and innocent, the "I did. I had "hknays" and "aysugnr" before, but they're officially closed, below is the screenshot --or the forwarded email-- of my request" or, "I probably had. I have this habit of creating an account and stopped to take a break. Can you inform me those username, please?" would solve a lot of things. You can even said this anywhere from your opening post up to the point where SB gave their counter-evidence, and you didn't. Why?

Next, coming from the same post as above,




So, all of the other seven accounts you previously had, were you stopped playing using them because you won and withdrawn, and thus you've made SB your very personal sugar daddy and walking ATM,  or because you keep losing and need to take a break, thus you didn't profited at all from SB?

Next, bonus and perks. In one of your email to request an account closure, you said this,

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You can just use the "other" option as your answer, and you choose that you wanted to close your account because you deemed them to give insufficient reward. Why?

Next, you use TnC 10.1 as your defense, which specify that account that's been closed would also be released from TnC.


But allow me to quote the email given by SB to you from your earliest post in regards for the reason of account closure. I'll mark in blue the complete sentence of the possible reason.


By this rule, if they suspected that you registered an account in attempt to hide your betting activity, they reserve the right to ban you. To make it even more glaring, I'm referring to the activity where you possibly milked the bonus system, drained it on that account, feels them "insufficient", closed your account, and create a new one.

Let's suppose you did close your account for the sole reason of wanting to take a break after a big win --or lost-- an interesting thing to point out is the timestamp of the email for account closure, aysugnr on 31 October 2022 and hknays on 19 November 2022.

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You're saying, according to your narrative, you had aysugnr, feels enough and need to take a break, asked for an account closure, and then less than 19 days later decided that you wanted some fun, created a new account with new email address, and asked for another account closure within a very short timeframe because you need a break, and created a yet new one... in less than one month after it?

Please do not get me wrong.  only aysugnr, hknays, aysgnrm accounts are my accounts.  I closed 3 accounts and opened a new one.  8 accounts are not mine.
I don't understand why Steve isn't responding to my evidence.  He is the only one who knows the details of the matter.  but without knowing the details of the matter, a lot of people accuse me here.  misinformation people say.  steve please answer me.  You can review the accounts and see that I have never violate any rules.
Thank you hollydarkness for your detailed review.  As I mentioned, 8 accounts are not mine.  It took a long time to close my 3 accounts.  The reason why I created an account on the dates you showed is the start of the world cup.  I couldn't miss this great tournament.  I answer every accusation.  I have never done anything wrong with the accounts I closed.  I did not use rewards and bonuses.  Steve can see it if he wants.  I did not attend the event.  I had no intention.  so that's not a reason not to pay $18919. I didn't manipulate the site in any way. They took all my earnings because I closed my account and opened a new one. I feel really bad.  I trusted this betting site.  it was a disappointment for me.

So you have four, that you've admitted, out of eight that's being accused to you? You do aware that multi-acc is still multi-acc, right? No matter how much that you've admitted. And the way you denied that you've previously opened an account on the very first exchange of communication with them is justifiedly worsen their suspicion toward you.

If you have never utilize their bonus features, then why'd you say that it is the reason you closed one of your acc? And about the claim of the long process of closing account, hence the date, can you please provide the emails when you firstly submit the accounts closure request (note that I wrote in plural)?

they offered me 7 accounts.  three of them were my closed accounts.I have never denied this.  so they don't have any doubts about me.  I checked if they are active.  I saw that they were closed.  According to my conversation with live support and condition 10.1, this is not a multi-account.  what do you say about it?  I didn't do anything on my own.  I have never had two accounts active at the same time.  If I had two active accounts they could accuse me of multiple accounts.  but i didn't do that.
I thought that choosing other reasons while closing the account would prolong the process.  I was not a gambling addict.  I had no complaints about customer service.  When I chose the other option, they would ask me why and mail traffic would occur.  I chose it as the fastest method.  My account closure for that reason does not show that I am using bonuses and promotions.  Steve can see this by searching accounts if he wants.  here you accuse me for nothing.  I did not use any bonuses or promotions.  I did not attend the event.  I was just betting with my own money.
I didn't mean to say it took a long time.  I wanted to say that my closing intervals for 3 accounts are not very short.  you misunderstood me.I write them using translation.  My English is not very good. Im sorry for that.
I don't have any bad intentions.  I didn't do multiple accounts.  I did not use different accounts at the same time.  I did not take advantage of bonuses and promotions.  so they should give my earnings.  this is not a lot of money for sportsbet.io.

So how not very short are these intervals between three of your closed accounts and this new one spaced between each other? Like, specifically. And sportsbet.io, can you please confirm this by checking your database that those four of the accounts are not utilizing bonus or took advantage from you in any form, that the owner closed those accounts simply for a personal reason?

First of all, thank you for your interest.
Isn't it normal for me to want to open an account again when a big tournament like the world cup is taking place? When they check this and see the truth, there will be no reason not to give my earning.  because I didn't do anything suspicious.  I did not use promotions or bonuses.  I didn't violate any rules.  I think steve should check it out and pay me my winnings.  because I earned this money with my own money and my own luck.   I have no fault.  Now Steve has to answer me, right?
Hey Steve what are you waiting to check this out?  you are my only hope.

Showing you admitting guilt.

You may as well give up pal. In sportsbets eyes, this case is closed. You violated their terms so you qualify for nothing man. Maybe the next site you make an account on, you'll make only 1 account and be a legit bettor. I doubt it, seems like you aren't really all that bright honestly.

If you asked me, I'll say it's quite strange that someone opened an account and closed them and reopened another account just because they wanted to take a break. Normally, people would just leave their account idle and ready for use when they're up for some new chapter of fun. What's even more strange is, still in my opinion, using different email accounts for each new sign-ups.

My opinion aside, I am still waiting and started to get worried on why haven't you provide the date of your emails requesting account closure, I've asked three times including this one. You don't have anything to hide like the timespan between each account closure and sign-up are somewhat short, do you?

If you ask me, you are doing nothing but being blindfolded, like a secret supporter of sportsbet.io.  I asked you 3 times.  You don't say anything about sportsbet.io live support telling me I can do it.  Or are you afraid of being anti-sportsbet.io?  this worries me.  because I think whatever I tell you, you won't believe me.
You will be able to see that he has told me that I can close an account and open a new account.  This is not a violation of the rules as you mentioned.  sportsbet.io told me this.  You can also see that I can do this in condition 10.1.  I have never had more than one account active at the same time.  All my other accounts were closed.  How can I get an advantage from a closed account?  I just wanted to take a break from gambling and then when I wanted to continue, I opened a new account. Nobody told me that I could open my old account again, and it is not written in the conditions.  stop accusing me of multiple accounts.  I didn't do multiple accounts.  If I know I can reopen the account, why not do it?  Why would I risk knowing so much money?  sportsbet.io gave me this injustice.
 I have sent you e-mails requesting closure.  You checked this and forwarded it to me, I still don't understand what you want me to send?  you are doing nothing but accusing people and ignoring the evidence it presents please stop supporting sportsbet.io and comment impartially.  I'm not hiding anything.  If Steve checks the transactions on my accounts, this whole discussion will be over.  It should give back my winnings.  but why doesn't steve persistently respond?  I have never had more than one active account.  I have never taken advantage of my accounts.  Steve can control it.  I did not use any bonuses or promotions.  Steve should give me my earnings.
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You also said that sportsbet.io should check the transactions made from the accounts.  but they didn't answer that either.  You don't question why they didn't answer that.  you're just making arguments against me.  Why don't they do a quick review and put an end to this discussion?  Why don't they answer us?

What do you mean I'm a secret supporter? I paint my house with their color theme and their logo! My neighbors were complaining because my house was too eye catching. And you should see my room, I have special altar for them that I worshipped ten times a day. I mean, a secret supporter? Secret? Didn't you see my personal text already? That sentence below my avatar? Yeah.

Sarcasm above aside, just a little clarification so it won't bite me in my unattractive ass in the future, I didn't say you can re-open your closed account. I have no idea what's their policy for that matter and never give any thought on this matter.

Now, onto the topic... well, I didn't mean to be rude, but in between your --what I can only describe as-- tantrum, I think I'm lost. Like, honestly. Which question directed to me or to whom and who'd you're yelling at on some of your sentences? You emailed me, I checked and forwarded you what now? I'm certain that we had never exchanged any email, I even somewhat sure you don't know my email address.

Now, if you can provide us with screenshots of all of the beginning emails to them to close your accounts, it'll be helpful. I just wanted to know how long was it between your requests for account closure to take a break and you re-signing up.


Because... they're not online since before that post? Thus they probably didn't read anything from this thread yet?

It wouldn't help (for now). Casinos in Curacao took some cases to the appeal court (after losing in the first court) arguing that they are not obliged by law to pay any winnings related to gambling!! (true story). So wait until that case is over or it is useless to file any lawsuit.

Of course it's so shameful for them to even argue this way, but, you know, they're fraudsters as much as Sam BankMan Fried in the Bahamas is (at least he gets arrested) or the majority of the "Lengendary" and "Hero" accounts here living in third world countries and licking casinos asses to pay them 70 dollars/weeks for them to have a good life while scamming the players of the casinos they promote.

https://sbgok.org/
https://www.curacaochronicle.com/post/main/withheld-125000-won-must-be-refunded-by-online-casinos-in-curacao/
The Online Gaming Victims Representation Foundation ("SBGOK") assists customers who have been victims of fraud, fraud, gambling addiction abuse, or otherwise have a claim against a Curacao-licensed casino, sportsbook, "pod" or " principal' license holders and corporate service providers.

Until now, no appeal court has ruled on this. If they say casinos in Curacao aren't obliged to pay winners, nothing is relevant anymore. It's an open Island for criminals and scammers, will not end well.

Why would she lodge a complaint or claim against sportsbet when she has already been found guilty of her deeds? She had a habit of creating new accounts every time she was done with her older accounts where she took enough advantage of the bonuses/rewards and still unsatisfied with what SB has provided. She must plead guilty and stop making nonsensical arguments when everything is out and clear in front of us. This is a clear attempt to mud up the reputation of a well-established casino, a case of contempt.

Where did you get that I benefited from the rewards and bonuses?  Do you have proof  I used rewards and bonuses.  I did not take advantage of my accounts.  I always bet with my own money.  steve should check this and pay me.  If necessary, I will take the matter to the courts of Curacao.  I can do that.  because sportsbet.io scammed me.

sportsbet.io seems unreliable.  People should not deposit and bet on this site.When you win, they accuses you of multiple accounts and close your account. They doesn't pay his winnings. There are a lot of people who experience this.  You can find examples in Btctalk.

Don't get me wrong, but did you go for permanent closure of your old accounts or were they closed for specific time like a week, a month, six months, a year or more? Because if it was permanent, I think that the casino also deletes all the data associated with the account like history of bets, deposits, withdrawals, bonuses/rewards claimed, etc. but only keep track of the IP address and email address of that person and the KYC material too.


You are free to choose your way and do as you like, only if you truly remember and know that you didn't take any step that could go against you in the court proceedings.


I agree that there are accusations against various websites regarding denial to pay the winnings to the winner, but it's also true that in many cases, the valid counter-evidence as well as arguments made by the respective casino parties were found to be correct.

What you say is absolutely correct.  I have permanently closed my accounts.  In this case, all information on my accounts should be deleted. (condition 10.1 clearly states this). Also, in my dialogue with live support, Mr. Tunç told me this. (You can find this conversation in the screenshots). sportsbet.io accused me of multiple accounts with the accounts that I had permanently closed.  According to these rules and conditions, it is an absolutely wrong decision.  is not it?  sportsbet.io should return from this error as soon as possible.  I honestly earned $18919.  Don't they have to pay me my earning ?

Let's see if I can make you get the situation here. You had several accounts which you denied their existence on the first place and only admitting it after they straightforwardly mentioned the names, this is understandably cast a huge doubt on your credibility. They've deemed this case closed, and your complain would as much turned to deaf ear.

The thing you can do right now is to raise an appeal to the community on this forum, prove that you're wrongly accused, and hope that sportsbet respected the forum and reopened your case for review. But so far, you've proven nothing other than repetitively stating that you didn't take any bonus, my long post of the inconsistencies of your statements are even only partially --and vaguely-- clarified, you hadn't provide the proof that I've asked several times: the proof of time gap between each of your accounts.

Let me try to break it down even further like I explaining to a third grader why this is quite important. On SB point of view, and as far as whoever read this thread understand, you created multi acc which violated their ToS. You argued back that the accounts are not active simultaneously, you've closed each of those account before opening a new one, which means you didn't have multi account and SB's accusation is invalid. But as I've pointed out --and marked in blue-- on previous post, you also agreed that they have the right to confiscate your fund if they suspected you registered multiple accounts in attempt to hide your betting activity or bypass their trading limit.

You stated that the reason why you opened and closed accounts are because you need a break after winning, but --again, as I've pointed out-- your statements during this entire case keeps contradicting each other, add that to the fact on your email screenshot that the date between those accounts are extremely close, it is very justified for anyone to think and suspected that there's another, more dubious, reason why you keep opening and closing accounts. You argued that those date didn't reflect on the real timespan between each account because it took a very long time for them to process account closure --oops, sorry, I was meaning to say "closing intervals for your 3 accounts are not very short"-- but you never give any concrete evidence to back up this claim, and I've asked you repetitively. If any, you just cast a bigger doubt on everyone's mind.

Let me try to break it down yet again, in a "flowchart".

You want them to give proof that you're wrongly accused? You'll want them to reopened your case. But how exactly do they reopen a case they considered closed? You'll need them to reconsider the case. And how exactly will they reconsider your case? Unfortunatelly, you can only hope they respected the forum's request and looked at your case again. So, up to this point, simplified, who you need to convince right now are the forum, i.e. the people reading this thread. You still following me? Good. So how exactly do you make the forum to do that? Well, sweetheart, this forum, especially people "overseeing" this sub-board are very fair and neutral. They judge everything by facts and data, evidences. If you've provide an undisputed evidences that you're the right side here, they won't be reluctant to support you. So what you need is to provide evidences instead of throwing tantrums and baseless statements.

Tl;dr: give your evidences.

You didn't admit that you had multiple accounts first, then you admitted after everything was exposed about your multiple accounts. Now Steve might be taking time to reply you, because they also have to do a lot of analysis to talk about your case.
You should have considered skipping this website because you had multiple accounts on it. I will follow this thread to see if there is a solution to this problem.

First of all, I would like to thank you for your time here, my purpose is not to argue with anyone. You are a good person.  

At first, I said yes, I do not have another account because if an account is permanently closed according to condition 10.1, the conditions are no longer valid and there is no such account.  I didn't admit anything when they mentioned the account names to me, I told them that these accounts were permanently closed and I couldn't understand how they were judging me with multiple accounts.  Afterwards, when they didn't answer me, I started to seek my right about it here.  

As for Steve's lack of response, I think I provided enough evidence for them to reconsider this case, especially the screen shots of their live support talk.  I have shared the screen shots of my e-mails that I requested to close the accounts / or prove the date of the closure, and the closure of the account was always on the same day with my request to close the account (I do not understand why you insist on asking for more proof, everything is already clear).If I try to lie about this here, sportsbet employees can easily access this information, so putting too many screenshots will not gain me anything, I think I have explained the issue clearly enough. sportsbet.io can see it, you will appreciate that there is no point in me not lying here, so I do not lie about such a thing, every time I open an account, I state that I have not done anything to abuse it.  Despite all this evidence, the fact that the sportsbet group does not care at all raises a lot of doubt.  And people who read this issue understand that sportsbet is an unreliable betting website and this situation is getting stronger day by day since I can't get an answer.

You say that I was prosecuted for opening and closing accounts for bypass trading limit and hiding bets, but when steve checks my accounts he will see that closed accounts do not have any trading limits.  There is no bet that I am trying to hide.  I can't prove this to you because accounts are permanently disabled.  They can check everything.  I am ready to provide any evidence.  steve should check this out and explain it here.  

Steve claimed that I am not a woman.He claims that my account was used by someone else. They should not blame a customer without such proof, but Steve does not respond in any way.  

On a betting site, if people see suspicious behavior towards their customers, they prefer not to use it, and so far I have shared a lot of inconsistent conditions and live support conversations that will create that suspicion.  However, I am still attaching the (begining) mails that I gave my closing request.  As I said, the accounts were permanently closed on the same day as my closing request.

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As I explained to Holydarkness, I did not admit anything. I did not expect that I would face such an accusation from closed accounts.  Because there is no such condition in ToS, moreover, live support said that it is not multi-accounting to open another account after an account is closed.  I showed you this chat with screenshots.I said that I do not have another active account because I closed my accounts permanently.  so I don't have any inconsistency.

I see that some of you do not understand me very well, there is an impression that I had active accounts but I tried to hide them, at first.  I hope I can explain myself better now, and I hope there is a misunderstanding between me and sportsbet.io just like with you, and they will realize it as soon as possible.  I don't want to think there's any other reason why they still haven't responded.  But if it continues like this, sportsbet.io  will no longer be a reliable betting site used by my friends and other many people and will remain as a betting website that accuses people of unwarranted multiple accounts and does not comply with its ToS.  I did not violate a rule.  Why would I choose another site?  I didn't do multiple accounts.  But if all these things do not come to a conclusion, me and many people in this forum will choose not to use sportsbet.io anyway, you can be sure.  Thanks for the advice…

You have explained from your side, now we need to hear the details from sportsbet.io, what do they think about this. I understand your pain, but it's important to hear from both sides here before thinking anything. I hope sportsbet.io will give a reply regarding the situation here and what they think about this issue and how to properly resolve this issue.

I'll specifically quote this sentence for future reference.

As it is now known and made public that their account closure is on the same date of your request, it means we can summarize your activities as follows: you created aysugnr on an unspecified date, request account closure on 31 October --as per your reason you said here-- because you need to take a break, but in between 1 November and 19 November, you decided that the break is enough and you want to create hknays. Just for a mere assumption to give you the greatest benefit of doubt, I'll say you created hknays on 10 November, bet honestly for 9 days, and decided you had enough, requested account closure on 19 November, processed immediately, and then you yet again created snne on December 2 at the latest --proven by your earliest deposit shown on the screenshot here (https://i.hizliresim.com/2kwh432.jpeg). Wouldn't you agree it's a bit questionable for someone to creating and closing accounts every two weeks?

You said you just want to take a break when you win and made profit, but later you said you usually lost (on the accounts you've closed) and that's why they can't confiscate any fund. But allow me to quote SB's statement which probably made after looking at your database,


Lastly, you claimed you never use any bonuses and your account closure was not due to attempts to hide bets, but when I re-read several things here to be sure there's nothing we missed, I found this

https://i.hizliresim.com/obpy5ki.jpeg

We'll entering an unfamiliar territory for me here, so I'd appreciate if anyone can clarify if I see this correctly or not, I am not well versed on sportsbetting terms, but if I look at the definition of boosted bet here (https://www.thelines.com/betting/odds-boost/), they defined odd boost as:


It sounds like a bonus for me. But aren't you never uses any bonus on your accounts?

Any customer can set as many betting break times as she/he wants.  As long as it does not violate the rules and conditions, there does not appear to be a problem. I definitely do not think this is something that should be questioned.

 Yes I usually lost, only when I won I decided to close the account because I had finally won and I didn't want to lose any more money.  but I wanted to play again because I enjoyed betting and because there was a big tournament like the world cup then I was losing again and again and I felt compelled to keep playing to at least earn my losses.

 I don't think Steve wrote the sentence "you made more than you deposited" because as you can tell I got too many wins (that would be lying), he said that because I made more money than the deposits I made until I closed my account.  He should explain how he said it, with evidence.  By my own luck or misfortune, I have won or lost certain money.  What could be more natural than that?  Steve or anyone else can't judge this situation, no one is giving anyone free money.  They provide a service and they get paid for it, when customers get paid for this service (that is, when they earn), they have the perception that they are paying their own (sportsbet.io) money out of their pocket, this is really an incomprehensible unprofessionalism.
 I did not hide bets or bypass trading limits.  If Steve thinks so, he has to prove it.
 There will be chat about boost with sportsbet.io live support below.  It has thus been proven that you do not have a good knowledge of sports betting.  I don't understand how you can question me so much about a subject you don't know.  As the Sportsbet.io live support team says, boost is not a bonus or promotion.  I did not use any bonuses or promotions.  I took my bets with my own money.
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 Yes, friends, a statement should now be made by sportsbet.io.  They should pay me my earnings.  I proved everything here.  Sportsbet.io just showed 3 similar e-mail addresses and scammed my money by not even believing that I was a woman.  Dear friends,Don't you think Sportsbet.io should clarify the situation and put an end to this grievance?  They scam a lot of people's money this way and I want to put an end to this by not being one of them.

Oh wow, you do come extremely well prepared, don't you? Is this your habit? To document every single thing, including a random conversation about if certain feature is considered a bonus or not? You know, just in case someone asked if your account is banned due to an attempt to hide betting activity or abusing bonus and you need to provide proof of your innocence.

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If I didn't have enough evidence, I wouldn't create a topic in this forum.  I created this topic because I am innocent and I can prove it. People should not open a complaint topic in this forum without proof.

 As you can see in the screenshots, the sportsbet.io support team has clearly stated it.  So using boost does not indicate that I am using a bonus or promotion.

 I proved my innocence by presenting evidence.  But Steve only offered similar email addresses.  He rudely mocked me for being a woman.  He didn't do anything else.  If he accuses me of hidding betting or bonus abuse, he can prove it by putting the betting history of accounts that I have permanently closed.  If I could access my accounts that I have permanently closed, I would immediately share screenshots of my betting history with you.  So I would have proved without a doubt that there was no hidden bet or abuse.  Why is Steve keeping his silence?  He can solve this case by sharing the betting histories of the accounts that I have permanently closed.

 I am innocent and sportsbet.io should pay my winnings.

No, you are not innocent by any definition of the word.

You were using Sportsbet's Odds Boost with multiple accounts; therefore giving yourself a clear advantage which is cheating (regardless of the conversation you had with Live Chat).

Sportsbet.io doesn't care about paying out $18,919.
They are however a Fair bookmaker that doesn't put up with cheating, hence the reason Steve has stopped replying to you after his initial response.

How do you think I made a bet with boost in my previous accounts?  Neither Steve nor I said anything about it.  I have presented so much evidence and if you are an employee of sportsbet (as understood in your profile), I request you to clarify this situation by revealing my past bets of previous accounts.  As a sportsbet employee, it is unprofessional and unacceptable to say “no, you are not innocent”  by not provide any proof, and try to support your argument by just mentioning a user's message.  Your live support staff has made it clear (in the screenshots) that the boost is not a promotion or bonus, you can't just hide behind the odds boost being something in favor of the bettor. As a result, I did not abuse a promotion or bonus.  Moreover, boost is a feature that is used in 24 hours on every account.  I can't understand why Sportsbet excludes its own live support team from this issue, if you imply that what the live support team says is not reliable or if you find it unimportant why does this website have a live support team, is it a pawn used (in favor of the site) to deceive people at the end of the day?  (a pawn whose words you care about when it's in your favor, and you leave apart form the issue when it's against you).  Boost is a simple feature that comes to every account (as the live support team says), so I used this right when I opened an account.  Moreover, if I hadn't used odds increase in my bet, I would have been betting at odds of 9, which would have earned me $19683, there is no dramatic difference between this amount and the amount you have to pay me.

 All Steve told me was his disgusting accusations about me being a woman in the message you mentioned (I think you read it, but it doesn't seem like it) and a superficial accusation that I made multiple accounts because of the similarity of my emails.  In other words, I don't think that "he doesn't answer you because you use that bonus", "he doesn't answer because you use odds boost" as claimed by you or those who have spoken in this topic before.  In each of my proofs, this argument of yours evolves into something else strangely.  Steve needs to speak HIMSELF.  The prolongation of this issue is against sportsbet.io, and an authorized person (with their evidence, not with assumptions) should answer my evidences as soon as possible.

Repeating your same junk arguments again and again doesn't change anything. Move along to the next casino and try to multi account abuse them next. Why are you using the bet boost feature if it is not a bonus for you? Oh right, because from your own description it gives you favorable odds on a bet every 24 hours, I wonder why someone might like to have more than one account to take advantage of that? As the first person said, if you think you have a case - get a lawyer, but you don't so you won't.

By your own admission you have created accounts at Sportsbet previously, which voids every single other argument that you could possibly try to make. "if I hadn't used odds increase in my bet, I would have been betting at odds of 9" Yeah - and if you hadn't won you wouldn't be here arguing this bet either, so yet another irrelevant point. Live support doesn't know the terms inside and out, they are people just trying to help, but you are bound by those terms because that is the agreement you made, even if you didn't read them earlier. You are the one prolonging what is a closed matter, they've already answered the fairest way possible to you. I see you've deleted a post just now as well, trying to curate your story when holes are poked in it no doubt.

So, I got some free time at hand today and curiosity gets the best of me. So, in a wish to close this case for good, I threw myself into the site in question itself to see what's this boosted bet by their definition (https://archive.ph/JFmsc).

It's funny how you said earlier that you never use any bonus and never cheated, that you close your accounts simply for personal reason, and that only after I pointed out that you had your bet on boosted mode, you added a claim that it's not a bonus or promotion, because clearly their guide page said the opposite:

https://i.ibb.co/5KWjvdL/List-of-promotion.jpg (https://ibb.co/qJMg9zp)
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The boosted bet is clearly listed on their promotional page, and given you utilized this not-a-promotion thing, I am quite sure you also aware about this. But that's not the end of it, as I said, I have some free time at hand, and since I wanted to get to the bottom of this and think there's more to these... accounts closing and reopening, I took one step further and dig deeper: I made an account on SB, just for you and this case.

Guess what I found? This:

https://i.ibb.co/rMhvw1C/How-many-I-get-in-one-account.jpg (https://ibb.co/Npq7yH8)

Apparently --at least to me-- although you can use a boost for one sport every 24 hours, the amount of this promotion is not unlimited. In my case, I have 39 free boosts. So what do I need when I ran out of boost? Well, I guess I can just... feel I've got enough, close my account, and then open a new one few days later. Voila, new boosts.

1.you created account ,used and deleted.
2.You will create again with same mail and details after some days.
Now my question is why sportsbet.io allowed to create many accounts under same mail?and why sportsbet.io agents said he could create many accounts?
Now about boost part many seniors keep on saying this thing like he abused boost odds while betfair guys giving same odds infact more than these why could he risk like that.
or may be he is using for some arbs other than that he is not doing any crime?Just because of boost promo locking 19000$ insane and everyone supporting still sportsbet.io.

They didn't allow the user to create many accounts under the same email, if you even bothered to read any of the responses you would know that. All of your questions have been already answered. No law has been broken, the terms of play on site have been broken which means they are allowed to take action the player has agreed to accept.

The question I have is why someone, with a brand new account (strangely dormant since April 2022), would zero in on a thread for their first post that is related to a multi account creating cheater. Might it be because they are that person or otherwise connected to them?

Ahh, no. His account was dormant since april 2022, but this is not his first post here, he had 7 posts (https://loyce.club/archive/members/346/3467218.html) prior to this one, with the first was a complain --and an audacity to ask for VIP stat for compensation-- for being locked out of his account. Steve has addressed it and found red flags.


Since their discussion seemed to happen internally through emails, I assume he can't prove his innocence and Steve's judgement is right, thus he sorely tried to paint SB a different color through this.... "accidentally" stumbled upon an accusation thread against SB. He commented (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6145/61458085.html) on Snne's post on SB ann thread and must had known about this thread already since then.

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Snne, as I've seen you online several times throughout this long weekend and remained silent, I guess that I hit the spot correctly? You have another point to raise or evidence to show?

Hello to everyone I’m in a likely situation so I wanted to ask some questions. First of all, I never opened another sportsbet account. I opened just one account on sportsbet and I don’t have any else. My nickname is ‘doktor17’.
On 1st of January, I win a bet and won 6472 usdt totally. I tried to withdraw 6000 but couldn’t. There was a notification that tells me I must contact with safety team of SB by email. I tried to connect live and ask about the withdrawal problem that I had but there was no live support button. So I mailed to safety and assurance team and they wanted me to verificate identity. I did the verification successfully and told them. They mailed me that my verification is successfully completed, they’re making an investigation about multi accounting on me and they also said that if I have any other accounts, it would be nice to tell them. I told I never had any other then they sent me 3 account nicknames that I don’t know and never get in touch with. They also told me that I successfully got over second level investigation (I dont know what it is). That was the last mail I had. During this proccess, I tried to withdraw my money and get a notification that tells me ‘I cannot withdraw money in 48 hours since I deposited money for security reasons’ but I had not deposited any money for security reasons. After all of these, I deposited some more USDT in my account because of that ‘security reasons’ notification. It’s been 1 day after my deposit. I cannot get any answer from safety team, my budget is still same in SB. I cannot take bets on the site. I want to ask that how long does it take to investigate an account? My bets were clean, I’m just a person who likes betting and 6400 bucks is a big money for me. Thx 🙏🙏

it would be best to create your own thread and share screenshots of the email you sent to them and emails you received from them(exclude any personal information). also, why the hell did you think it is a good idea to deposit again when the funds on your SB account are frozen?

just curious, did you use VPN? a lot of gamblers have been banned from gambling sites because of using VPN. a lot of gamblers have been accused of multi-accounting because they used VPN.

First of all thx for your advice, I opened a new topic. Secondly, I don?t know sometimes megapari wants me to deposit extra money to withdraw my budget. And lastly, I never use VPN but I?ve told SB team too, I bought a new Wi-Fi maybe that made this situation. But i didnt use vpn.

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If you examine the page more carefully, you can see that a lot of information about various news and sponsorships is also listed on the promotionas page.  Since there is a boost feature on such a page, you cannot claim that boost is a promotion.  If you know more than live support, I suggest you apply for a job to be live support.  Also, boost is a feature that comes back every 24 hours.  There is no need to create an account for this.  It can be used every 24 hours.  It seems that the boost feature is given to each account in 39 sports, and each of them is renewed every 24 hours.  In this case, it seems that the price boost is clearly not a feature to be used against the casino.  You obviously don't know anything about sports betting.
https://www.hizliresim.com/g5ibi1l
https://www.hizliresim.com/3wsc5cf


 I couldn't answer here because steve doesn't answer me from here.  I was too busy seeking my rights from other platforms.  I'm sorry for that.  Steve has to answer me now.I will keep the thread alive until this thread is resolved.

The only thing I assume why you keep changing accounts is you want to clear your betting history. Probably you are involved on arbitrage betting or fixed match betting that make you bet that huge amount with high profitability. You are already exposed that doing fraud by first telling here that you don’t have another existing account before Steve provide some evidence that will invalidate your words.

Your money is really huge amount but you will not gonna have any problem if you win that fairly without doing any trick to take advantage on sportsbook.

You say Steve presented evidence.  Why can't I see that evidence?  Steve did nothing but offer similar email addresses.  He made fun of me being a woman.  You call that providing evidence?  Presenting evidence would be fine as I do.  Why don't you answer them?
 I didn't arbitrage or anything.  If Steve thinks so, he has to prove it.  But SB says I'm doing multiple accounts and I have proven that this claim is not true.  If I tried to hide my betting history, I wouldn't be asking Steve to share them here right now, would I?  I didn't get high gains.  I generally lost.  If Steve shares his betting histories, you can see them too.  I'm not hiding anything.

 Yes, I said I have only one account.  Because my previous accounts are permanently closed, I bet with a single account.  Since those accounts are permanently closed, we can no longer call it my account.  How can I pretend that the account that is closed still exists and I think I have another account.

Its pretty obvious to me what u were trying to do/ did here , and u also know it.

Steve said u have profited and i would suggest to stay happy with whatever amount u profited, and maybe find another place that lets u create a new account every month   ;D

What are you saying I'm trying to do?  Tell us so we know.
 Steve said I made a lot of money without proof. 
I say that I did not make such a profit with my evidence.
 Sportsbet.io allows closing accounts and opening a new account.  Live support confirmed this.  You can find it in the screenshots I shared. 
Sportsbet.io should pay me my winnings.  He did not provide any valid evidence to justify the non-payments.

Hello dear
Do you see?  They haven't answered me for days.  because they scammed me.  they have no proof.  They just said something and left.  That's how easy it is to scam people.  this is bullshit.

Hello,

I've seen you online several times.  why don't you talk anymore ? Sportsbet scammed me without providing any proof.  Why don't you ask them for proof?  They don't talk because they have no proof.  If they talk they will have to pay my money. Sportsbet.io scammer.

Because I'm pretty much sure this case is over. I am surprised you still insisted on this

1. You're caught to sign up and closes account several times at a very short time span for an incredulous reason: you want to take a "break" which only last for days and opened new ones with different email account. Which normal and honest person would ask for account closure just for a several days of break? Can you give me a very logical reason why you asked for such? Any logical reason.

2. You didn't admit the first time of having accounts in the past, where a honest user would most likely answered the question with "yes, I had a couple in the past, but I've closed them," or something alike, which only paint a further impression that you tried to hide that fact.

3. You said you never use any promotion or feature or anything, but you clearly use a boosted bet, which is listed as a promotion on their page. How you perceive on "lot of information about various news and sponsorships is also listed on the promotionas page.  Since there is a boost feature on such a page, you cannot claim that boost is a promotion." is beyond me. The definition of the boosted bet itself is a clear indication that it's a feature, a bonus, and you utilized it.

Steve --and handful of other members here-- already gave strong evidences of foul play and this case is ruled out as a false accusation. If you still insist on proving you're right and wrongfully accused, I'll suggest you to move your dispute to AG or CG. I'll have to warn you though, the evidences Steve had in his hand clearly shows a multi-acc abuse, so I don't think it will worth much, they'll probably came to the same conclusion as us here on the forum. You're welcome to try.

sportsbet.io is a scammer.  Please do not bet on this site.  because if you win they don't pay your money.  If you object, no one will believe you.  If you present proof, no one will believe you.  They confiscate people's money.  Unfortunately, I could not get my 18919 USDT earnings back.  I presented all my evidence.  Please do not experience the same madness.  All this is nonsense.

Hello,
a.m contacted me. I gave up gambling. I'm just seeing what's written here. The account mentioned here belongs to Hakangulll and I have no connection with Aysu Güner Mete. I can prove it to you with my credentials. Steve, you need to revisit this incident. You have to solve this misunderstanding.

Hey steve,
Why aren’t you answering this situation?

I understand you correctly that you're saying the OP of this thread, Aysu Güner Mete, contacted you to inform you, "Hakangulll", that your account is flagged by SB as one of the multi-acc of theirs, and you came here to straighten this out? That you, Hakangulll and A.G.M. is two different people and doesn't share account?


Because...

Yes,
yes you got it right. we are two separate people. a.g.m contacted me and asked me for help in solving this misunderstanding. I'm here to help her too. I verified my identification on sportsbet.io.



Steve is wrong. He has to devote more time to this event because there is a big misunderstanding.

And I understand your account is not blocked, you can use it normally without any restriction, and that you're here purely from your good-will to help a damsel in distress?


You sure? Want to check your statement again?

Yes i am sure that . Are you Steve? Why are you asking a lot questions to me? If you are Steve you should solve this problem. If you aren’t Steve , You shouldn't ask so many detailed questions. I think i said clearly my purpose.

Sadly, I am not Steve, I am just an asshole who's quite nosy and eager to help people, I do proudly admit that many people finds me annoying because my questions did not fit into their agenda and the narrative they're trying to paint, though.

Now, because you're sure that the person reached to you --giving you a benefit of doubt here-- is not wrong and SB has made a terrible terrible mistake, I'd urge you to read this entire thread to get a better understanding for the case of your damsel. Or if you don't have time for it, my last post for this case before you necromanced it from the dead, which just two posts above yours, pretty much summarized what happened.

As for why I ask you so many detailed questions --I'll say that, IMO, those are not detailed-- SB's representatives have a tendency to stop visiting and commenting on threads that they deemed solved, whatever the reason is. They might be not even reading it anymore. So, I think thought, if you can give me a good reason to believe snne is not wrong here, I'd like to try to reach to the representatives to re-attend to this case.

But message received. You don't need me.

Why are you so arrogant with him? This is a community, @holydarkness was just trying to help you. He tried to attract other members here about your problem by making the discussion easier by asking questions about your problem. But you have misbehaved with him, if you talk to anyone with this attitude no one will come to help you. Good luck

I read the whole thread. But you're not trying to help. Steve has done nothing but prejudice. He definitely needs to look into this issue. I don't know if you will convey this to him or if he will see it himself. People's rights are being violated here. I can clearly see that. I don't know why they put me in this situation. I don't understand . Also, if you're trying to help people, then you know I'm doing the same thing. I'm here trying to help a little girl.

When someone comes forward to help you, you treat them arrogantly. Then who will come to help you willingly and want to be insulted by you? Which no one expects. Treating someone badly and expecting something better from them is not right. This is a community, and if you consider yourself a member of this community, then everyone expects you to respect other members. So refrain from choosing the word 'gangster group'.

I am truly sorry for your situation. If you don't want to go into detail about your situation then how do you want the solution from the community. Keep in touch with Steve, as you expect help from him.

I think maybe Steve will see this place and talk to me. but steve doesn't care. sportsbet.io seriously scammed this girl's money. here we get it.

Hey stevee ! Where are you?

Busy limiting and closing profitable accounts

This is absolutely true.
but if we do everything holydarkness says he can summon him. should i try this? Ahaha
I think Holydarkness is Steve's servant.

Hhhhh... I actually don't think this is necessary and not really interested to give my time for this case anymore, but as servant of Steve the community, I decided against it and do a little dig, really little dig.

Here's the first thing that I found:

https://i.ibb.co/9cdMBvn/Last-Active.jpg (https://ibb.co/zQtkC5s) https://i.ibb.co/LJXcpyX/Date-Registered.jpg (https://ibb.co/VQczBGc)

I say it's enough time for Snne to log out of her account and sign in with the new one. "That's circumstantial at best!" someone might argue, or "It's just coincidence!". So, ok, I dig deeper. Below is what Hakangulll said on their very first post


But let's see what Snne said about that account before,


As well as two screenshots for a nice cherry on top.


should I say... "oops.."? or, "aha!"? Hmm... instead, I'll say, "Ahaha, better luck next time, hakansnne"

hknays is not my account. Can't you see the girl said it's mine?
Also, the girl gave me the link to this page, so I signed up. So it's normal for us to be active recently.
 Do you help people like this by judging them without knowing anything like a child?

Steve never understands that. holydarkness is the only one talking here